Re: [Ql-Users] QA.RESRI info incorrect

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> On 14 Feb 2018, at 13:49, pjwitte via Ql-Users  
> wrote:
> 
> |In later versions of the QDOS and SMSQ/E Reference Manual the documentation 
> on QA.RESRI (aka bv.chrix), to test or stretch the arithmetic stack states:
> 
> Vector $11A Reserve Room on Arithmetic Stack QA.RESRI
> Call parameters Return parameters
> D1.L Number of bytes required  D1 ???
> D2 D2.L ???
> D3 D3.L ???
> A0 A0 Preserved
> A1 Pointer to RI stack (rel. A6)   A1 ???
> A2 A2 Preserved
> A3 A3 Preserved
> Error returns:
> IMEM out of memory [SMSQ]
> none [QDOS]
> 
> This is strongly suspected to be incorrect. It should say the following (two 
> corrections):
> 
> ||Vector $11A Reserve Room on Arithmetic Stack QA.RESRI
> Call parameters Return parameters
> D1.L Number of bytes required  D1 ???
> D2 D2.L ???
> D3 D3.L ???
> A0 A0 Preserved
> A1 A1 ???
> A2 A2 Preserved
> A3 A3 Preserved
> Error returns: none

D0 returns the error code under SMSQ but is corrupted under QDOS

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 for Mac update

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> On 8 Oct 2017, at 17:24, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, it's fixed now.

And it works now. Thanks.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 for Mac update

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> On 8 Oct 2017, at 14:36, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Downloads: https://www.kilgus.net/qpc/download 
> 
Pity. Doesn’t work!

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Re: [Ql-Users] TURBO and testing it exists

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> On 19 Aug 2017, at 09:21, gdgqler--- via Ql-Users <ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I would think it possible to have TK_VER$ print “TK”, “SMS” or “REM” after 
> the version number. Is this what people would like?

It might be better to have a new keyword, TK_TYPE$, which would return “TK”, 
“SMS” or “REM”. This would leave TK_VER$ unaltered.

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Re: [Ql-Users] TURBO and testing it exists

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> On 17 Aug 2017, at 10:25, Tobias Fröschle via Ql-Users 
>  wrote:
> 
>> There is a keyword: TK_VER$, but only returns the version of Turbo Toolkit,
>> which is the same for the SMS and QDOS versions.

I would think it possible to have TK_VER$ print “TK”, “SMS” or “REM” after the 
version number. Is this what people would like?

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Re: [Ql-Users] TURBO and testing it exists

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> On 17 Aug 2017, at 13:54, Lee Privett via Ql-Users  
> wr

> I feel there must be a way to test for TURBO toolkit, any ideas?

In my BOOT I load the TURBO toolkit. So why should I test for it?
If I don’t load it in my BOOT it just is not loaded.

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Re: [Ql-Users] German Minerva ROM

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> On 7 Mar 2017, at 11:42, pg...@q40.de wrote:
> 
> We made the stategic mistake of first moving the code base to GWASS. 
> Unfortunately the differences to QMAC continued to cost time and 
> bugs. Still today it is not possible to _exactly_ reproduce the QL 
> binary of Minerva, although the code seems to work. So if Minerva 
> development should continue, I think this is what would be needed:

I’m sorry that GWASS causes trouble. Why is that?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Mail merge with Quill

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> On 5 Oct 2016, at 11:08, Norman Dunbar  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately,  I'm getting a message that the Web page is not working.

Worked OK with me.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Toolkit 3

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 On 28 Jun 2015, at 07:54, Michael Bulford michaelbulf...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 In the latest Quanta magazine, Toolkit 3 is now advertised as freeware.  
 After downloading and unzipping the file, it wouldn't work, it just freezes 
 the QL.  I've tried using LRESPR with both QPC2 and Q-emuLator, both without 
 joy.  There's no instructions in the user manual. Has anyone tried this?

I used the original TK3 but had to cut out some of the commands which, as I 
remember, had a bad effect on something like win drives. So, I have my own 
personal TK3. I offered this to Freddie Vaccha but I think he was not 
interested.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Decompiler

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 On 25 Jun 2015, at 12:21, Wolfgang Lenerz w...@wlenerz.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have in the past tried at disassemble Qlib and Turbo complied
 programmes, but quite hard when they are not written in an assembler.
 
 Yup! I very dimly remember that there even was (one or several?)
 program(s) that used compiled basic progs as part of the copy protection.
 
 Could Turbo compiled code be de-compiled and the resultant object code
 be then run through a Turbo re-translator to reconstruct the SuperBasic
 source code, as source code to Turbo is available and we know how the
 Turbo libraries work (maybe)?
 
 Probably George Gwilt is best suited to answer that.

Hmm! I seem to have forgotten most of what I knew.

 
 I believe, though, that it won't be a trivial task.
 
 In many cases I assume that the compiler uses some kind of template
 (i.e. for this instruction, use that code) and, when detecting these
 templates, you could reconstruct the source code for them.
 OTOH, think of all the possible ways of using PRINT…..

Parser_task analyses the SuperBASIC program and produces a list of calls to 
blocks of code, or templates, which do simple things like print a comma or 
go to this procedure.

Codegen_task reads this intermediate code and produces the final executable 
program. By analysing the threaded code inside this it might be possible to 
reconstruct something like the intermediate code which was the output from 
Parser_task.

The next step would be to work back from that to a set of SuperBASIC 
instructions.

 
 What about using external keywords bound into the program?

Either the keyword has to be present at runtime or its code has to have been 
loaded into the compiled program. In either case there may be difficulty in 
pinpointing what the keyword is so that it can form part of the decompiled 
program.

 
 This maybe good of great benefit to development programme to created
 which could yield the source code of older programmes that do not run on
 modern systems.
 
 
 This presumes that the code generating engines stayed the same during
 the different versions of the compilers - is this a safe assumption to make?

The version of the Turbo Library used should be recorded in the compiled 
program.


 
 How would this affect copyrighted compiled programmes?
 
 Good question. Generally speaking that kind of reverse engineering could
 get yuo into trouble.
 
 

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Re: [Ql-Users] Why does WM_SETUP - never return an error?

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 On 18 Apr 2015, at 19:49, Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk wrote:
 
 does anyone have any decent examples of setting up a Window, with one 
 application sub-window that doesn't have a menu, and then dynamically 
 building a menu into the afore mentioned sub-window.

I thought that SET_AP in Easy_Peasy did just that.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Config tool

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On 11 Aug 2014, at 16:03, Michael Grunditz michael.grund...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am looking for a config tool , menuconfig or the pointer version. I
 can't even find the plain config program.

You could try uconfig from my website gwiltprogs.info. uconfig produces config 
blocks for BASIC, C and assembler.

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[Ql-Users] Program Updates

[gdgqler]

New versions of some programs are now available on my website 

gwiltprogs.info

1. TURBO v5.0 allows access to its Channel Table. This table consists of a set 
of 32 40-byte entries one for each of the possible channels in a program 
compiled by TURBO. The first long word contains the ID of the QDOS channel, or 
-1 if none is open. The rest of the entry contains information about graphics 
for CON or SCR channels.

TURBO_CH(#N) returns the absolute address of the entry for channel N. N can be 
either an explicit number (between 0 and 31) or a variable containing the 
number. 

2. TURBO_TK CODE v3.43 now contains the keyword TURBO_CH which, if used in 
S*BASIC, returns 1.

3. NET_PEEK v3.42, already issued, displays the contents of the channel table 
for CON/SCR channels in programs compiled by TURBO. The latest version, v3.43, 
now copes with programs compiled by TURBO v5.08.

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Re: [Ql-Users] UltimIDE and other updates...

[gdgqler]

On 11 Feb 2014, at 16:17, Ralf Reköndt ralf.rekoe...@t-online.de wrote:

 
 Or have a look at the TK3 sources. There, you could set (in the old TK2 way) 
 a DDOWN test, where a BOOT was located and LRUN FLP1_BOOT and all files 
 were able to find other files, even in the (old TK2 way) subdirectory test. 
 That worked perfectly. Files in the root were always be able to be located 
 with i.e. FLP1_\FULL_NAME.
 
 

Some time ago went through the source code for TK3, cutting out the parts that 
- for me at any rate - did not work. Nowhere did I see coding which would get 
round the problem of filename size. But perhaps I missed it!

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 v4.01 released

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Excellent news! Marcel.

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Re: [Ql-Users] SMSQE 3.17

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On 19 Oct 2013, at 18:25, Wolfgang Lenerz w...@wlenerz.com wrote:

 SMSQE 3.17 is out - it only corrects the bug when moving a pulled down window 
 with transparency.
 

Good. But what about QPC2?

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise

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On 27 Aug 2013, at 13:40, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel
 Kilgus
 
 I'll second that vote of thanks, thanks Marcel.

My copy of QL Today has just arrived and, of course, I immediately tried QPC2. 
Wow!

Many thanks indeed to Marcel and to everyone involved in the magazine and DVD.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise

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On 25 Aug 2013, at 22:23, Jochen Merz wrote:

 Hello Alan,
 
 sorry, I'm confused as well about the fact that you are confused.
 If you have subscribed for volume 17 (and you have, Alan), AND the 
 subscription form stated 4 issues of which you received 1, 2 and 3,
 AND I refer to issue 4 coming up next and being the last one, AND we 
 explained the situation about this issue 4 being the last issue in detail (as 
 well as explaining why we deliver in September) in issue 3, why do you think 
 you need to pay again?
 And why would you want to get the previous 3 issues again (as I wrote that 
 people who subscribe now get all 4 issues in one go)?
 
 Best regardsJochen

I'm confused too, especially as I did not receive Jochen's email which caused 
the confusion.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 v3.40 Beta 3

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On 19 Aug 2013, at 21:43, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

 Subtitle: The fullscreen mode is dead, long live the fullscreen mode.
 
 After hours of messing with the fullscreen mode that I will never get
 back I've decided to make a somewhat drastic step and remove it
 altogether. This makes the display driver code infinitely easier to
 work with.
 But fear not, another fullscreen mode has taken its place. One that
 will not allow you to change the display resolution but which will
 play much nicer with other applications and will hopefully work better
 and in any other respect. Please give it a chance ;)

FSM seems to me to work fine on an Apple Mac plus VWWARE plus windows XP. 
Pressing CTRL+SHIFT+F12+fn does the trick.

However, the delightful WM_MOVEMODE 3, which works well with most windows digs 
down too far and too erratically to show what's beneath the moving window if 
this is not the main one. For example, pressing File in QD causes a small 
window to appear in the main one. If this is moved you either see what's 
beneath the main window (two layers down) or an array of small lines seemingly 
unconnected with anything. OK, the small window moves, but it is not as elegant 
as it should be.

Has anyone tried this?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Snowbound?

[gdgqler]

On 19 Jan 2013, at 11:20, Tobias Fröschle wrote:

 
 Am 19.01.2013 um 12:09 schrieb George Gwilt:
 
 
 On 19 Jan 2013, at 08:34, Lee wrote:
 
 I spent an hour this morning clearing about 1 1/2 inches of snow from my 
 drive.
 
 
 If you weren't located in Scotland, the question would have been:
 
 Was that the length or width? ;)
 
 Tobias
 (Who doesn't care much to clear the ~10cm of snow we currently have here)

If I were not now in Scotland the answer would have been

width 7ft or
length 30yds

I know this because I was taught (while doing National Service in the RAF) how 
to estimate distances. You take a point half way and estimate the shorter 
distance. By applying that method enough times I was able to use a ruler to 
find accurately 2^-11 of the distance. Using QPC2 to multiply that by 2048 gave 
me the length required. Same for the width.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Fw: query

[gdgqler]

On 15 Apr 2012, at 08:59, Rich Mellor wrote:

 On 13/04/2012 16:10, Norman Dunbar wrote:
 On 13/04/12 16:06, Rich Mellor wrote:
 You are correct - the full error is:
 
 Cannot open flp1_libguide_dbs as a database. -15 Press ENTER ...
 
 The database starts with DBAS
 
 As I say, the program runs fine under Minerva and I have opened it and
 resaved it.
 
 It still will not open under a JS ROM on q-emulator.
 
 The source code isn't complicated. Open the file as a qdos file first, then 
 take the 32 bit channel number and use that to open the file as a database.
 
 If the database id returned is negative, we have an error, bale out after 
 displaying the error.
 
 So the problem must be/is in the DBAS library or Q-Emulator I think, 
 especially as it opens fine in other ROMs.
 
 Difficult one to solve I think.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Norm.
 
 Daniele has looked at this issue and to quote his comments:
 
  The bad parameter error is related to a file system TRAP#3 call with D0=$44.
 Do you know what this trap is supposed to do?

This Trap is not implemented on all the normal QDOS and SMSQ/E systems.

 
 In any case, this is probably not the primary issue, as on Minerva this TRAP 
 is not called for some reason. Either the code really doesn't work on JS, or 
 there is an incompatibility somewhere, perhaps in the Q-emuLator file 
 drivers.
 


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Re: [Ql-Users] JPG question

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On 24 Jan 2012, at 15:10, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 
 As this was about jpg, Dilwyn did not mention his BMP program that also
 shows BMP files in a window, without distortion, but only 24 bits.
 Also does batch conversions. But only tested AFAIK with QPC2/QXL Mode 32 
 style screens. There is conversion code for Qx0 Mode 33 screen but I am not 
 sure if it has ever been tested (no Q40 or Q60!)
 
 Well, I have no Qx0 either but have used your BMP to convert to m33 and my 
 routine to do the same. Converting these to m32 gave the same result, so 
 they must be ok, or both have identical bugs!
 Ha! I thought someone would have told me by now if they didn't work.
 
 But, knowing my luck, it will be identical bugs :-)
 
 As almost everything needs conversion to the native pic format, this pic can 
 then be saved.
 PE screen save and restore functions in Easyptr all work with PIC files, so 
 although they are large, it serves as a good base point to work from, then it 
 is fairly easy to save as PIC or screen-bytes formats, even Goerge's PSA 
 files for his apps.
 
 GD2 sprites can be quite large (not sure if there's a limit) - it makes sense 
 to be able to save at least small pictures as sprites.
 
 So far I can only convert uncompressed images, RLE sprites are done by Wman2 
 and can then be pic'd from the the screen.
 I haven't looked at the RLE format much, but I think it's just simple run 
 length encoded as the name implies. I'm sureit's documented in one of the 
 GD2/WMAN2 documents on my website.
 

Have a look too at Norman Dunbar's useful Wiki.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[gdgqler]

On 9 Jan 2012, at 19:04, Andrew Stephen wrote:

 On Jan 10, 2012 4:50 AM, gdgqler gdgq...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Please ignore this.
 
 George
 
 4/10
 
 While polite, the plea lacked sincerity. Little attention to form or
 substance. Better effort required.
 

How about:

I would be extremely grateful if you would ignore this email if you receive 
it. But, if you don't (ignore it I mean) there is not a lot I can do about it.

Of course, I must apologise for giving you all so many useless words to read.

Actually, the reason for this test was to see whether the email was sent back 
to me as one of the group. I can now tell you that it wasn't.

So thanks to those who did not ignore this.

George

PS Please ignore this.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Test

[gdgqler]

On 10 Jan 2012, at 10:25, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 
 So thanks to those who did not ignore this.
 George
 PS Please ignore this.
 GG
 Would that be 'ignore the PS' or 'ignore the GG'?

Just the this.

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[Ql-Users] Test

[gdgqler]

Please ignore this.

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[Ql-Users] test

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Re: [Ql-Users] Turbo Tk Code v3.40

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Hi Malcolm
On 28 Oct 2011, at 20:42, Malcolm Cadman wrote:

 
 The zip files: trbom, setwp06 and cptrp11 - are giving error report on 
 download.
 

These files download OK for me. Is it the unzipping which gives an error?

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL with working 5.25 disk drive

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On 28 Oct 2011, at 22:59, Rich Mellor wrote:

 Does anyone have a QL with a working 5.25 disk drive?

Yes

 
 I have a bit of old QL software I would like to transfer across to 3.5 disk 
 - I have a spare 5.25 drive, but no power supply unfortunately (unless I can 
 just use a PC power supply and a standard 3.5 cable?)

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[Ql-Users] Turbo Tk Code v3.40

[gdgqler]

Version 3.40 of Turbo Tk Code is on my site http://gwiltprogs.info/

Version 3.39 allowed COMMAND_LINE to select a daughter SBASIC's channel 0 by 
giving as a parameter the ID of any channel opened to that SBASIC. The opened 
channel did not need to be a CON device.

Version 3.40 additionally allows the parameter to be the Job ID of the target 
SBASIC. COMMAND_LINE looks first to see if the parameter is a Job ID.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Dilwyn's scanner

[gdgqler]

On 9 Oct 2011, at 18:52, Bryan Horstmann wrote:

 On 09/10/2011 10:32, Tony Firshman wrote:
 
 On 9 Oct 2011, at 10:22, Bryan Horstmannb...@newlan.org  wrote:
 
 On 09/10/2011 09:39, Dave Walker wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-
 boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Horstmann
 Sent: 09 October 2011 08:51
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Dilwyn's scanner
 
 On 08/10/2011 12:10, pjwitte wrote:
 On 07/10/2011 17:38, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
 
 But first, I have to find new drivers for my old Benq5000 scanner.
 The manufacturer's site lists no drivers for Win7 64-bit and the
 driver on CD does not work either, even using the compatibility
 assistant for drivers, so I may have to do this using the old PC :-(
 You may be able to load drivers and run your scanner in a virtual
 machine. I did that successfully with a device attached to  USB, for
 which there was no 64bit driver, in a VirtualBox machine sporting
 W2k.
 Per
 
 That's interesting. I tried the same trick with VMware for my scanner,
 but it wouldn't work and I was told that VMware relies on the host
 machine for peripheral drivers and other services.
 
 Bryan H
 UK
 
 That is true for non-USB devices and also where you have USB devices that
 you let the host OS take control of rather than the VMWare guest OS.
 
 The VMWare USB support allows for a transparent pass-through mode and in
 that mode you can normally use anything that the guest OS has drivers for.
 To use this mode you need to be running the guest OS and it must have the
 current focus when you plug the USB device in.
 
 Dave Walker
 
 Tel:  +44 (0)1707 652791
 Mob: +44 (0)7999 218953
 Web: http://www.itimpi.com
 Skype:  itimpi
 
 
 Thanks Dave.  But I don't understand current focus.  Can you explain a 
 bit please as I struggle with the techhie bits.  VMware was set up for me 
 and I hardly understand it except that it gives me Kubuntu and W2000 (or 
 did until the latter failed)
 It simply means the vmware is the current selected window.
 
 Tony
 Thanks for the help.  There is a devices button at the top of VMware whereby 
 the floppy can be connected to VMware or connected to the host.  Is that 
 effectively what is meant?  When connected to the guest, it doesn't appear on 
 the computer Vista devices screen.
 

I use QPC2 on Windows XP on VMware on an Apple Mac. If I am in QPC2 I can put a 
floppy in the reader and it is instantly available, as flp2. If I attach some 
other device I get a window asking whether I want the device attached to the 
Mac or not.

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[Ql-Users] Pointer Environment WMAN vector WM.SWSEC

[gdgqler]

The definition of WM.SWSEC says that this will place a window over a section of 
an application sub window. D1.L is supposed to be set to x,y section numbers. 
Thus, if you have an application window containing items which can be scrolled 
and you have this window split into two sections, WM.SWSEC should set a window 
to either of the two sections according to the content of D1.

Actually what happens is that, irrespective of the content of D1 the whole 
application window (apart from the scroll arrows) is set by the vector. If you 
look at the source code (SMSQ/E v3.13) for this vector, in ee_wman_switm_asm 
you would see that the entry conditions do indeed require D1.L to be set to the 
particular section you want to cover. However, I cannot see anywhere in the 
actual code where D1 is used.

Does anyone know what is going on?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Huge Sinclair repository on DVD out now!

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On 18 Sep 2011, at 08:18, Tony Firshman wrote:

 Tried the DVD on my desktop PC, and was not able to auto-start. From
 directory, then saw files on the disc, yet no content.
 Turned off PC, and re-started. Then disc not accessible format message.
 Tried on my portable PC, and all is well.
 Both machines are running Win XP Pro.
 Any idea what could be the reason?
 
 I had trouble using the macbook internal drive under XP Vmware. It in fact 
 forced a VMware XP power down - haven't seen that before.
 Under Mac, the disk is not mounted and only a re-start of the machine ejects 
 it. It is not listed under Finder. Usually Windows formatted CDs/DVDs mount 
 fine under OS X and are readable.
 
 It auto-starts with a `USB external drive under XP vmware, and it works in 
 Firefox. 
 

The DVD worked under Windows XP on a laptop and, looking better, on a MAC (Mac 
OS X v 10.6.8)

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Re: [Ql-Users] Huge Sinclair repository on DVD out now!

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On 17 Sep 2011, at 14:35, Lee Privett wrote:

 Ditto, mine arrived today in the UK/south, a worthy DVD
 On 17 Sep 2011, at 14:16, Bob Spelten wrote:
 
 Op Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:26:42 +0200 schreef Urs Koenig (QL) q...@bluewin.ch:
 
 This summer I volunteered to work on a Sinclair related retro computing DVD 
 which is out now.
 
 And QLToday plus The DVD arrived in Amsterdam this morning in good health.
 Compliments to all who contributed to this project.
 
 Bob
 
 

Amazingly My copy arrived today in Edinburgh.

It looks good.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPCII discussion...

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On 14 Sep 2011, at 15:48, Lee Privett wrote:

 A transparency option on the use of colour so that perfect antialiasing can
 be achieved

I thought that was already available. I have certainly been able to superimpose 
two pictures so that you could see both through each other, if you see what I 
mean.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPCII discussion...

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On 15 Sep 2011, at 11:05, Tony Firshman wrote:

 
 The program I prepared which allows a user to assemble hie (or her) own 
 version of SMSQE has UNZIP attached as DATA lines to the _BAS program 
 which starts the process, RUNning the program automatically stes UNZIP
 I have tried all surrounding letters:
 ates
 syes
 stew
 stys
 
 Nothing fits the bill.
 Of course we know what you mean but was *was* that word?
 'starts'?
 
 Anagrammatically stes could be tess, or, better, sets. On the other hand hie 
 can give hid or his using surrounding letters.
 
 Wat duz it matta slong as u no the meening.
 
 Ah yes of course.  I should have known.  As a two finger typist (with thumb 
 for space) my brian also keeps reversing pairs of letters.  I guess you are 
 two fingered as well (8-)#

And left handed.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPCII discussion...

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On 13 Sep 2011, at 21:36, Dave Park wrote:

 
 One of the big problems with non-QLs is their handling of zip files
 stripping headers. Is there any way for QPC to handle zip files
 directly?

I have never had problems with zip files. I put the zip file onto a directory 
on C: drive (if that's what it's called) and access it in QPC2 as dos1_qp_

Thus 

ex unzip;'-dram2_  dos1_qp_file.zip'

unzips the file to ram2. All headers are intact.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPCII discussion...

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On 14 Sep 2011, at 12:48, François Van Emelen wrote:

 Never had a problem either but you need a working version of 'unzip' first 
 ... and to get hold of one can be a problem for non-QLers.

The program I prepared which allows a user to assemble hie (or her) own version 
of SMSQE has UNZIP attached as DATA lines to the _BAS program which starts the 
process, RUNning the program automatically stes UNZIP which is then used to 
uinzip the files on the official SMSQE site.

So there is a way of getting UNZIP.

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Re: [Ql-Users] USB Floppy Drives, emulators and so on

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On 1 Sep 2011, at 13:55, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 When I absolutely have to, I run XP in a VirtualBox emulator VM. As expected, 
 the USB floppy turns up as drive A: and can be read from DOS, Windows 
 Explorer.

I use XP via VMware on a MAC. The floppies are accessed as drive B ie FLP2.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Did you spot the mistake?

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On 9 Aug 2011, at 08:28, François Van Emelen wrote:

 It is rather difficult to spot a mistake that is no longer there, isn't it.

You just have to compare what is with what was. Simple. And easy.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Just Words! wwebsite

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On 4 Aug 2011, at 19:59, Geoff Wicks wrote:

 I have now added a QL news page to the Just Words! website.

Well worth while a visit.

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[Ql-Users] Turbo Tk Code v3.39

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Version 3.39 of Turbo Tk Code is on my site http://gwiltprogs.info/

This version allows COMMAND_LINE to select a daughter SBASIC's channel 0 by 
giving as a parameter the ID of any channel opened to that SBASIC. The opened 
channel does not need to be a CON device.

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Re: [Ql-Users] What's the official method to queue text in to another job's CON channel?

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On 15 Jul 2011, at 20:38, Martyn Hill wrote:

 
 (Thanks to George as well - extending the Turbo commands would be another 
 solution.)

Really COMMAND_LINE does need updating to take account of daughter BASICs. 
Perhaps the ID of an SBASIC channel could be allowed as an optional parameter. 
Watch this space.

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Re: [Ql-Users] What's the official method to queue text in toanother job's CON channel?

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On 16 Jul 2011, at 10:23, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 
 
 
 
 On 15 Jul 2011, at 20:38, Martyn Hill wrote:
 
 
 (Thanks to George as well - extending the Turbo commands would be another 
 solution.)
 
 Really COMMAND_LINE does need updating to take account of daughter BASICs. 
 Perhaps the ID of an SBASIC channel could be allowed as an optional 
 parameter. Watch this space.
 
 George
 Good idea, although without a parameter it should default to the existing 
 behaviour?

Yes. 

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Re: [Ql-Users] What's the official method to queue text in to another job's CON channel?

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On 13 Jul 2011, at 13:10, Martyn Hill wrote:

 
 As part of an on-going SB Editor project in QPC/SMSQ-E, I am reseraching ways 
 to queue SB commands in to a daughter SB job.
 
 Extensions such as SG's QUEUE% or Turbo's TYPE_IN don't quite work for this 
 purpose as I need to queue the commands from another SB (eventualy Turbo'd) 
 job rather than into the current keyboard queue (as pointed to by SYS_CKYQ - 
 QUEUE% - or into the the #0 of the current job - TYPE_IN).
 
 So far, I've found no explicit documentation on where to find the type-ahead 
 buffer in SMSQ/E CON channels (only the SCR defintion block's are described 
 in detail), but my own digging around shows that the (serial queue) buffer 
 appears to sit at offset 152dec. ($98) from the start of a CON defintion 
 block (after all the SCR-like variables).
 
 So, my question, what is the offical/safest/most portable way to queue text 
 in to a given CON (#0 for daughter SB) channel belonging to another job?
 
 Thanks for any ideas/alternatives.

It looks as though TURBO's COMMAND_LINE should be extended to allow the option 
of picking a daughter basic. If that worked, TYP_IN should work too.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QLToday V15 I4

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On 4 Jul 2011, at 12:20, Anton Preinsack wrote:

 Am 04.07.2011 10:03, schrieb François Van Emelen:
 Hi all,
 
 QL Today  V15 I4 has arrived.
 François Van Emelen
 
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 QL Today arrived here in Vienna/Austria, too.
 
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And Edinburgh as well.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Digital Precision Super Forth

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On 11 Jun 2011, at 17:56, Rich Mellor wrote:

 Does anyone have the manual for Super Forth by Digital Precision - I cannot 
 find it in the DP collection!

I have 6 files FORTHA_DOC to FORTHF_DOC which appear to be the manual. There is 
also FPMATH_DOC which is the manual for the floating point maths package 
FPMATHS_fth.

Would these be any use?

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Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] [off-topic] Updates in Dave-land...

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On 27 May 2011, at 08:47, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 
 How is that going?
 I actually downloaded the latest source code this very week and attempted a 
 trail compile under C68 - in an interesting way, I think it failed. The 
 compiler produced no warnings, no errors, no output file and not a single 
 message to the screen! I've never seen that happen before.

That is certainly interesting. You simply have to forget a semicolon to produce 
about 900 error messages.

By stopping the compilation at the assembler stage you can see what C68 intends 
to happen. I use this a lot.

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Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] [off-topic] Updates in Dave-land...

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On 27 May 2011, at 16:31, Dave Walker wrote:

 
 It is probably also a good idea to stop after the c68 phase has completed,
 and run the assemble phase separately.   I also do not know if AS68 is
 likely to choke on such a large file and that would at least give you a
 clue.

GWASS has recently been amended to deal with much larger files than previously. 
You might therefore try using GWASS for this. Of course you need QPC2 or Q40/60 
or Super Gold card.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Arithmetic precision

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On 10 May 2011, at 19:20, Dave Walker wrote:

 Dilwyn,
 
 Writing such routines from scratch is likely to be a non-trivial task!
 

I would agree with this.

 The c68 library has a whole set of support routines written in assembler for
 this purpose that conform to the IEEE standard for Double Precision floating
 point.   I suspect it would not be that hard to put some Basic keywords at
 the front-end of them to make them accessible from SuperBasic.   They have
 the advantage that they have been put through a formal test suite to check
 that they give the correct answers which might be important?
 
 If you could give an indication of how you expect to use them then I could
 have a quick look to see if I think the c68 routines could be adapted to
 that purpose.  It would be nice to know what operations you want to carry
 out if it is more than simply arithmetic operations. Possibly important is
 how you expect to load up and extract the values without losing precision.
 
 Of course if you wanted to use them from C then they are ready to go - you
 just need to use the 'long double' data type.
 

I would think it MUCH easier to use C68 to do the arithmetic. A small program 
could be started by EW from  a BASIC program.

 Dave Walker
 
 Tel:  +44 (0)1707 652791
 Mob: +44 (0)7999 218953
 Web: http://www.itimpi.com
 Skype:  itimpi
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-
 boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Dilwyn Jones
 Sent: 10 May 2011 18:14
 To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
 Subject: [Ql-Users] Arithmetic precision
 
 Does anyone know of any routines for the QL which can handle double
 precision floating point maths?
 
 When asked, all I could think of was Helmut AInger's math toolkit, but
 I haven't looked at it yet.
 
 Alternatively, if anyone knows how to write such a routine (a BASIC
 demo would do) or has a sample listing showing how to achieve this I'd
 be very grateful.
 
 At this stage, accuracy is more important than speed.
 
 Dilwyn Jones
 
 

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[Ql-Users] GWASS - another update

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Yet another error has come to light in GWASS. This error was introduced by the 
addition of octal to the ways of inputting numbers. This fault would cause 
GWASS to crash instead of just signalling an error when a faulty string is 
given for a DC instruction.

The new version, v5.06, is now on my website at 

http://gwiltprogs.info/

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[Ql-Users] GWASS update

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Version 5.05 of GWASS is now available on my site http:/gwiltprogs.info/

The new version allows much larger files to be assembled. There was previously 
a fault preventing an increase in the space allotted to user heaps.

There is as well a new version of the file explaining the 68K instruction set. 
This contains corrections to ADDX and SUBX. It also completes the entries for 
CALLM and RTM.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql-Users Digest, Vol 86, Issue 26

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On 26 Apr 2011, at 10:26, Billy wrote:

 
 My daughter is in Crete at the mo', she is somewhat fluent, so I asked her.
 Amongst the peasantry it is said as Tea she but in what might be
 called high Greek it is Tie che where the ch is as in that Scottish body
 of water - Loch, or as in Van Goch (when not the American removal firm -
 Van Go) a sort of rasping H from the throat.
 
 Oh tell me about it,my surname Waugh, pronounced in Scotland as in Scots 
 Loch, not Wao, War, Woff or even weirder.
 
 Over the years I have concluded it can only be pronounced correctly by those 
 blessed with some Celtish genes

Wow!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Tyche

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On 6 Apr 2011, at 12:26, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 
 Interesting in that the word is Greek and is pronounced Tee-chee. Tyche 
 is/was the goddess of [good] fortune. Also:
 
 http://www.goddess.com.au/goddesses/Tyche.htm says (amongst other stuff):
 
 Tyche (pronounced tee-chee) is the Greek goddess of fortune. Although she was 
 a daughter of Zeus, she was reputed to be quite irresponsible. She preferred 
 to run about juggling a ball than to carry the Cornucopia filled with golden 
 fruit, instead entrusting the task to her assistant Plutus. The first set of 
 dice were found in Tyche's temple perhaps indicating the capriciousness of 
 life and luck and the fickle manner in which she decided the fortunes of 
 mortals.

Tyche and Psyche are indeed both Greek words. I have never heard of Psyche 
being pronounced see key. It should be sigh key. Tyche is also, obviously, to 
be pronounced tie key (or Thai key if you like) but never Tee Chee.

The pronunciation that seems correct to me is in fact that given in Chambers 
Twentieth Century Dictionary.  This if course is published in Edinburgh 
(Scotland) and may thus be suspect to some(?).

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta's Web Collapse, PDFs again (in QL Today)

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On 2 Apr 2011, at 17:08, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 
 I know exactly about this problem because my own web site at 
 http://qdosmsg.dunbar-it.co.uk has the same problem with IE but not with 
 anything else. (IE 9 does manage to display the pages properly I have to add.)

This site appears not to exist!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta's Web Collapse, PDFs again (in QL Today)

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On 2 Apr 2011, at 17:23, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 PS. I note you are busy again George . updating pages all over the place!

At long last I've found out how (not to) set up  a queue device. In the course 
of this I have found a most intriguing error in SMSQ/E which shows that no-one 
has ever used the vector written specially for queues.

More of this later perhaps!

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[Ql-Users] QL Today

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The latest issue of QL Today has arrived in Edinburgh.

I must apologise to those who read it for the second time for the fact that A 
Surprising Thing has reappeared, having been in the last issue.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUORUM

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On 27 Mar 2011, at 13:39, John Taylor wrote:

 
 That constitution stood until John Mason became Chairman and he introduced 
 the clause that is the cause of concern at present.
 He wanted to limit the time anyone could serve as an Officer and gave little 
 thought as to the consequences.
 That really does need to be revised.
 

Yes. This revision is the one essential change needed.

 The is a great danger here though of getting bogged down in trivia.
 I would leave the whole exercise to Geoff who has a clear understanding of 
 what is required and hopefully, will not be pulled hither and thither by 
 competing egos.

A good idea. I hope that enough other people will record their agreement to 
this. It might then actually happen.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quorums

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On 22 Mar 2011, at 18:43, Geoff Wicks wrote:

 One of the arguments used by those in favour of counting proxies as part of 
 the quorum is that some companies use this in their members and shareholders 
 meetings. Others counter this by saying but not in their board meetings,

I think this is nonsense. No company with which I have been involved has 
confused proxies with presence.

One disturbing thing about proxies is that it is usual in Constitutions to 
detail the ways in which proxies can be called. That implies that a motion can 
be passed by a show of hands even though there are enough proxy votes against 
to throw out the motion. If it were possible to proceed without a proxy count 
being made then how can these votes be counted as part of a quorum?

I certainly recall company AGMs where a vote by show of hands is taken, perhaps 
12 for and none against, and then the Chairman announces that there are 
2,534,001 proxy votes for the motion.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quorums

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On 23 Mar 2011, at 12:12, Rich Mellor wrote:

 Glad you hear we are on the same wave length - every company has articles of 
 association, that normally do allow resolutions on a show of hands, unless 
 the Chair calls for proxy votes to be taken into account.
 
 I think the outcome of this is that the Quanta constitution needs to make it 
 clear when talking about quorum that it is members present in person.
 Perhaps one enhancement would be to expand this to say members present 
 either in person or by telephone / video link.
 

That is a very good point. Such links were unknown when quorums were first 
invented. It would be a useful addition to allow telephone or video links if it 
were practical.

 That would at least enable members across the globe to take part and vote in 
 proceedings without having to send in proxy forms.
 
 The other issue I have come across in the past is when members have had to 
 leave a meeting early, and then you are running a brief check to ensure that 
 the meeting is still quorate!
 

In that case the Chairman might say, like Magnusson, I've started so I'll 
finish.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quorums

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On 23 Mar 2011, at 14:12, Geoff Wicks wrote:

 Finally thanks to everyone who has replied. Unless there are postings to the 
 contrary the consensus appears to be clear,

Good. But what exactly is the consensus? I've forgotten already.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quorums

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On 23 Mar 2011, at 17:02, Rich Mellor wrote:

 On 23/03/2011 16:24, John Taylor wrote:
 On 23 Mar 2011, at 15:08, gdgqler wrote:
 
 
 The other issue I have come across in the past is when members have had to 
 leave a meeting early, and then you are running a brief check to ensure 
 that the meeting is still quorate!
 
 In that case the Chairman might say, like Magnusson, I've started so I'll 
 finish.
 
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 Yes, that has always been my view - normally the articles of association for 
 a company stipulate that if a quorum is not present, then the meeting is 
 postponed for a week.
 
 Maybe we need something like this in the Quanta constitution, just in case...

My suggestions, sent to the Chairman of Quanta and the committee,  as to the 
change in Constitution cover just this very point.

Taken from another Constitution it allows the AGM eventually to take place 
whatever the original quorate position.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Committee email address

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On 22 Mar 2011, at 12:11, John Gilpin wrote:

 Please use
committee@qua...@org.uk
 
for All 
 communications intended for any member of the QUANTA Committee where a 
 guaranteed response is required.

Do you mean:

commit...@quanta.org.uk

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

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On 22 Mar 2011, at 13:04, Rich Mellor wrote:

 There is more of an issue here - as one of the resolutions will be to approve 
 the accounts, the balance sheet HAS to be circulated to members before the 
 AGM - it will need to be posted unfortunately, to those members who normally 
 receive a postal copy of the magazine - otherwise their proxy votes could not 
 count on approval of the accounts, as they will have voted to approve 
 something they have not seen.

I agree. But there is something else as well.

The proxy form, which I will have to use because I can't attend the meeting 
unfortunately, has no boxes for votes against electing the Committee members. 
Is this deliberate?  Luckily there are boxes for votes FOR.

More alarmingly, there are no boxes at all for Resolutions 6 and 7. As for 
resolution 6 how can one decide whether to vote for or against if there is no 
amount set for the new Subscription Rate?

I would hope that at least the suggested new rate could be e-mailed to all of 
us on this list. If is the rate suggested by the Treasurer then it is in the 
magazine. If not, what is it?

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

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On 22 Mar 2011, at 14:59, Rich Mellor wrote:

 On 22/03/2011 14:51, gdgqler wrote:
 On 22 Mar 2011, at 13:04, Rich Mellor wrote:
 
 There is more of an issue here - as one of the resolutions will be to 
 approve the accounts, the balance sheet HAS to be circulated to members 
 before the AGM - it will need to be posted unfortunately, to those members 
 who normally receive a postal copy of the magazine - otherwise their proxy 
 votes could not count on approval of the accounts, as they will have voted 
 to approve something they have not seen.
 I agree. But there is something else as well.
 
 The proxy form, which I will have to use because I can't attend the meeting 
 unfortunately, has no boxes for votes against electing the Committee 
 members. Is this deliberate?  Luckily there are boxes for votes FOR.
 
 More alarmingly, there are no boxes at all for Resolutions 6 and 7. As for 
 resolution 6 how can one decide whether to vote for or against if there is 
 no amount set for the new Subscription Rate?
 
 I would hope that at least the suggested new rate could be e-mailed to all 
 of us on this list. If is the rate suggested by the Treasurer then it is in 
 the magazine. If not, what is it?
 
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 I can't comment, as I have not yet received a copy of the Quanta magazine / 
 proxy form, to know what the wording is for resolutions 6 and 7.
 
 There does not have to be a need to vote against a committee member's 
 election - you don't get the chance in a local / national election after all 
 !!
 
 You just vote for the people you want on the committee, and if there are 10 
 nominees and 5 places, then the 5 with the most votes get the places...
 


I am looking at the Proxy Form for AstraZeneca PLC.This has, as resolution 5, 
the election or re-election of  11 directors for which there are 11 places. 
There are three boxes for each candidate. The first is labelled For, the second 
Against and the third Vote Withheld.  The same should hold for QUANTA!

The whole point about elections is that the members can express their opinion. 
In extreme cases it can happen that a candidate  is not elected because there 
are more votes Against than For. After all that is what democracy is supposed 
to be about.

George

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

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On 22 Mar 2011, at 15:17, Rich Mellor wrote:

 
 I do tend to agree with this point, as it does allow for the dismissal of 
 directors - however, the constitution is silent, and this should form part of 
 the discussion about the constitution at the AGM.
 

Clause 8.13 of the QUANTA Constitution says

To elect members of the Committee.

That is quite sufficient to imply that members can vote for, against or abstain.

 Wouldn't it be nice if you could vote against MPs in a national election?

In Scotland in some cases you can't even vote for a particular candidate. All 
you can do is vote for a political party.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

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On 21 Mar 2011, at 12:18, John Taylor wrote:

 I have received my March Quanta magazine and it includes two copies of the 
 Income  Expenditure A/C.
 Pages 35  36, but there is no copy of the Balance Sheet.
 This may be a One Off, but I doubt it, as pages 35  36 are back to back.

No Balance Sheet in Edinburgh either.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Yahoo Groups

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On 15 Mar 2011, at 03:33, Dave Park wrote:

 
 If the Goldfire were still possible today, it would be fantastic, but I
 suspect the Coldfire SoC is no longer available.

I saw a manual for the Coldfire instructions and these can be assembled by 
GWASS.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL replacements - state of play...

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On 11 Mar 2011, at 22:38, Dave Park wrote:

 A genuine 680X0:
 + compatibility, already designed
 - availability and price
 

Aren't these obsolescent or obsolete?

 An emulated 680X0 in FPGA form:
 + highly configurable, offers single chip solution, 68k VHDL sources in
 public domain, very low cost
 - heavier design load, harder to debug.
 

Speed? Would it have 68020+ instructions?

 Software emulation:
 + Already here/done, highly reconfigurable, no hardware skills needed
 - Intel hardware too big for just a QL - needs to do other things too -
 expensive.

As you say - done.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

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On 4 Mar 2011, at 18:16, Bob Spelten wrote:

 
 I have just looked at TurboPTR and discover that it allows you to set the 
 colours of pan or scroll arrow, pan or scroll bar and pan or scroll section 
 independently.
 
 EasyMenu allows you to do that too, but when you actually draw the menu in 
 your program, it doesn't work!
 It shows default colours but when the menu is reloaded in EasyMenu the set 
 colour are there.
 

I have never before used any but the default colours with TurboPTR, but I can 
now confirm that the resulting window will in fact have the colours you have 
chosen.

 It's a bug.

Presumably not repeated in TurbPTR.
 
 Maybe it is because I don't set up any app.window arrays in EasyMenu?
 I always do that in SBasic, that is much more flexible.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

[gdgqler]

On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:33, Bob Spelten wrote:

 Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:59:31 +0100 schreef Rich Mellor
 r...@rwapservices.co.uk:
 
 I have never worked out hot to change the colours of the pan/scroll
 bars in QPTR correctly...
 
 

I have just looked at TurboPTR and discover that it allows you to set the 
colours of pan or scroll arrow, pan or scroll bar and pan or scroll section 
independently.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

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g
On 3 Mar 2011, at 12:24, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

 
 - introduced system sprites (corresponding to the system palette
   users can exchange the sprites with their own and all compatible
   applications will use the new theme)
 You provided some nice examples for this but how can I turn my own sprites
 into system sprites from SBasic?
 
 SBasic? Probably not. But you can pretty much use my assembler source
 code unchanged (just exchange the _spr files and recompile). Of
 course, QMac is needed for this, though I guess it could be adapted to
 GWASS easily if it supports an equivalent to the INCBIN command.

I cannot find INCBIN among the QMAC assembler directives. I presume that if it 
were there it would cause the inclusion of a binary file, already assembled. 
GWASS allows the inclusion of such files by LIB.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

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On 3 Mar 2011, at 15:26, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 I have just produced my first piece of asm that Gwass turned into a
 working bin function.
 (it took only a handful of system crashes, and I haven't even read
 Norman's series. ;) )
 Sigh! I knew it was only George and me! ;-)
 
 Cheers,
 Norman.
 
 Count me in too! Couldn't have written display_cde and other bits and pieces 
 without your articles.
 
 I originally learned from Andy Pennell's books. I still use the old Computer 
 One assembler despite having planned to learn to use Gwass or Gwasl several 
 times - lack of time etc (excuses, excuses).

It is usually crazy not to use the available assemblers. My very first 
assembler coding was done using Andy Pennel's book and POKing the result into 
RAM. Later I used an assembler provided with the Thor 21. written by Eddy 
Yeung, who also wrote Workbench. But this assembler had faults which I could 
not get sorted because Eddy Yeung had gone abroad. I then started using 
Assembler Workbench, but that too was not satisfactory. For these reasons I 
reluctantly wrote my own assembler. With prodding from many people GWASS has 
been continually updated. I must say, though, that I can rarely use it without 
looking at the manual. Nevertheless I have almost got used to it and would 
probably not use another assembler.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

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On 3 Mar 2011, at 16:38, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

 gdgqler wrote:
 I cannot find INCBIN among the QMAC assembler directives. I presume
 that if it were there it would cause the inclusion of a binary file,
 already assembled. GWASS allows the inclusion of such files by LIB.
 
 Then your QMAC might be too old, at least 1.06 has INCBIN. But reading
 your manual you even included an INCBIN alias to LIB, so you must
 probably have heard of it before ;) In any case, GWASS will do fine
 I'm sure.

I'm amazed! Sure enough INCBIN is indeed in GWASS. I certainly have no 
recollection of its inclusion. Anyway, I hope people have fun using it.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Happy St Davids Day

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On 1 Mar 2011, at 17:11, David Tubbs wrote:

 At 13:25 01/03/2011 +, you wrote:
 Happy St Davids day to everyone. I hope we are all wearing daffodils or 
 leeks and eating 'cawl' soup or Welsh Rarebit to celebrate.
 
 So today's (not Toasay) the Dai, I occasionally wondered.
 
 I suppose it's not the right season for lava bread ?

Perhaps for the lava boy or for the well bread.

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Re: [Ql-Users] The First Survey - Results!

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On 1 Mar 2011, at 21:25, Dave Park wrote:

 
 Okay, I have gone through the XML  with a fine tooth comb to remove all the
 javascript, any privacy-invading links and various hidden forms.
 
 The main survey page is here:
 
 http://www.nonstickglue.com/QL_Hardware_Library/Survey.html
 
 From here there's a link on the right and at the bottom that will show the
 survey as it was intended. The survey will open in a new window.
 
 Hopefully this will present the data in a much more readable / interpretable
 form.


Very nice.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

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On 2 Mar 2011, at 14:23, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 
 One of the things I've realised I've probably never seen despite using it so 
 much myself  is a short (one-line) description of what the Window Manager 2 
 is all about.

As I understand it it is this, briefly: 

New WM vectors are provided dealing with GD2 colours. In particular there is 
WM.TRAP#3 which allows several trap#3 calls to set the new colours. These 
include setting colours for paper, strip, ink, block and border.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

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On 2 Mar 2011, at 17:05, Bob Spelten wrote:

 
 
 On 2 Mar 2011, at 14:23, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
 
 
 One of the things I've realised I've probably never seen despite using it 
 so much myself  is a short (one-line) description of what the Window 
 Manager 2 is all about.
 
 As I understand it it is this, briefly:
 
 New WM vectors are provided dealing with GD2 colours. In particular there is 
 WM.TRAP#3 which allows several trap#3 calls to set the new colours. These 
 include setting colours for paper, strip, ink, block and border.
 
 
 Spoken like a true machine code programmer ;)
 

Thanks for the true.

 How about this:
 WMAN2 provides support for up to 32K colours for PE window elements, direct 
 or through the use of 1 to 4 System Palettes or a User Palette set up in RAM.
 It also supports sprites in 8, 16 or 24 bit modes with Alpha masks or no 
 mask, with RLE compression, of sizes only limited by its window and chained 
 as extended sprites for each mode of the clickable items.

You can use GD2 colours via S*BASIC with WM_BLOCK instead of BLOCK etc. but 
presumably these do not rely in any way on the vectors of WMAN2. In fact WMAN2 
is provided just for assembler programmers isn't it?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

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On 28 Feb 2011, at 14:01, Adrian Ives wrote:

 I know I've seen this somewhere but, as usual, when you really want
 something it refuses to be found!
 
 
 
 I'm looking for a function to use in S*BASIC that will tell me if the
 display driver is capable of providing resolutions greater than the QL's
 mode 4  8 defaults - it would be enough just to know if the display driver
 is GD2 or not.  It has to run on any QL system, including clones and
 emulators.  Can anyone help?

I look to see if WM_BLOCK is a valid keyword. If so then I assume that GD2 
colours are there.

By using TURBO I am able to replace WM_BLOCK by a valid keyword even though the 
real WM_BLOCK is not there.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

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On 28 Feb 2011, at 15:42, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

 gdgqler wrote:
 I'm looking for a function to use in S*BASIC that will tell me if the
 display driver is capable of providing resolutions greater than the QL's
 mode 4  8 defaults - it would be enough just to know if the display driver
 is GD2 or not.  It has to run on any QL system, including clones and
 emulators.  Can anyone help?
 I look to see if WM_BLOCK is a valid keyword. If so then I assume that GD2 
 colours are there.
 
 Many things are mixed up here. WM_BLOCK is WMAN2, which I've developed
 a long time after GD2 has seen the light.
 

OK. I needed WMAN2 in my program anyway.

 Also, higher resolutions were available long before GD2 came out. GD2
 is only necessary for higher *colour depths*.
 
 I think the PE was necessary for higher resolutions, so you can test
 for that first. Afterwards IOP.FLIM should be able to find the screen
 limits.

IOP.FLIM is a good way of finding screen limits. It is slightly annoying if it 
is not available. I have programs which find the maximum size by trial and 
error if IOP.FLIM is not there.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

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On 28 Feb 2011, at 15:52, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

 gdgqler wrote:
 IOP.FLIM is a good way of finding screen limits. It is slightly
 annoying if it is not available. I have programs which find the
 maximum size by trial and error if IOP.FLIM is not there.
 
 In which cases is IOP.FLIM not available and the resolution not
 512x256?

There must have been some, otherwise I would certainly not have gone to the 
trouble of testing different sizes! Nor, i suspect, would Mark Knight.

I think that QXL did not have PE with SMSQ. What about Aurora? Both have larger 
screen sizes than 512x256.

But, as usual, I'm probably wrong.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply

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On 25 Feb 2011, at 08:37, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 Morning Dilwyn,
 
 However, the failure to explain all this publicly and the fact it went on 
 for a long
 time without explanation does give the impression of negligence in updating 
 the
 website, whereas the truth is that the whole sorry situation is
 actually down to
 the CMS not working as it should on the free server spaces used, making it
 impossible to provide a decent website while that system is in use.
 
 I sneaked a peek at the home page source code. Looks like Quanta are
 using TYP03 as the CMS (www.typ03.org) which is not one I've heard of in
 the past, but a qucik web search shows that some pretty big
 organisations use it - Thomas Cook, Unicef, Lidl etc - so it can't be a
 problem with the CMS per se.
 
 Maybe it's the people using it? Maybe the free hosting company can't
 cope with the load, who knows. The system itself seems pretty light on
 resources, so maybe the switch to a paid for host will help.
 
 My own website (http://qdosmsq.dunbar-it.co.uk) - or maybe I should call
 it George's web site as he is doing most of the updating at the moment
 (thanks George) - is run on a simple Wiki (www.Dokuwiki.org) which is
 useful and simple and works pretty well even when broadband is reduced
 to an 11 mbs (bits not bytes!) wireless connection! (Which is what I
 have to use at work!). However, I don't think that would be suitable for
 Quanta.
 

It's a pity that it wouldn't be suitable for QUANTA. Even I find it pretty easy 
to alter. (Only one trap or vector left to create.)

 I do think that CMS is the way to go with a enterprise web site these
 days, it takes far too long and is not really cost effective to be hand
 coding HTML - even with a WYSISWYG HTML editor - you need to be able to
 connect, edit, save and disconnect, not messing about with HTML and then
 trying to FTP the results to the right place etc etc.
 
 However, I've been on the site (using the above mentioned wifi link) and
 it's very responsive, quite fast - and it looks good. So, I'm rather
 concerned at the fact that you have problems with it when editing or
 updating - I'm loathe to believe that the free hosting is at fault,
 unless your bandwidth is throttled somehow and the editing process is
 hitting a limit?
 
 Not much help I know, just random thoughts mainly, and a bit of
 encouragement.
 
 

I recently had to move my tiny, rudimentary website from the free ukonline to 
123-reg. I imagine that there are fewer and fewer freely hosted sites these 
days. The new host was very helpful when I failed initially to get the thing 
working.

I look forward to the time when my site address will eventually appear on the 
QUANTA site which is quick and easy to follow - but a bit slow on the update.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ranting: A Story of two Operating Systems

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On 23 Feb 2011, at 11:27, Adrian Ives wrote:

 
 Now I have probably missed some important piece of documentation somewhere
 that says you're not allowed to do trap 1, mt.cjob in a scheduler loop task
 under QDOS, but you are allowed to in SMSQ.  The QDOS documentation that I
 have doesn't say that you can't do this - but, fair enough, thinking about
 it I suppose the call would mess with the job table and might muck things up
 when a return is made to the scheduler. OK, that's that, it can't be done.
 I accept it.  I'm moving on.
 
 
 
 But what I would really like is some kind of document that sets out a list
 of things that fall in the category: This should work under QDOS, it says
 it should, but it doesn't … but we went ahead and fixed it in SMSQ

I noticed recently that MOD and DIV work under SMSQ/E with larger numbers than 
integers but do not under QDOS.  I have never seen any reference to this 
difference. This sort of thing could be added to the list of differences.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ranting: A Story of two Operating Systems

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On 23 Feb 2011, at 11:45, Rich Mellor wrote:

 
 The difference in MOD and DIV is mentioned in the SBASIC/SuperBASIC Reference 
 Manual (plug)
 
 -

And where exactly can you get hold of this Manual? (Attempting to unplug to let 
it flow). It seems a must.

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Re: [Ql-Users] 57 images of dismantling a Sinclair ZX-81.

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On 23 Feb 2011, at 13:51, Tony Firshman wrote:

 
 where ignorance is bliss,
 'Tis folly to be wise.
 
 You should have wasted some prime internet time Googling for that (8-)#
 Did anyone on the list actually go to Eton then?

At one of the schools I went to I met another pupil, a violinist, who had 
nearly gone to Eton instead.

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Re: [Ql-Users] 57 images of dismantling a Sinclair ZX-81.

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On 23 Feb 2011, at 16:14, Tony Firshman wrote:

 Where was that - Harrow (8-)#

Sedbergh, actually.

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Re: [Ql-Users] 57 images of dismantling a Sinclair ZX-81.

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On 23 Feb 2011, at 17:57, David Tubbs wrote:

  Where was that - Harrow (8-)#
 
 Sedbergh, actually.
 
 My brother-in-law went there, a rugged institution I believe. Sarten.
 

A cold breezy place. We used to have to run up a hill called Winder when the 
weather was too bad for ruggered games.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql-Users Digest, Vol 84, Issue 81

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On 22 Feb 2011, at 08:18, Norman Dunbar wrote:

 
 BETTER, one of the kids wet tongue!  :-)
 (Psst, they still remember that little lesson in life)
 
 My dad was always messing around with old single cylinder petrol
 engines, trying to make them work. I used to help him.
 
 My main task was to hold onto the bare plug lead wire while he cranked
 the engine over - to see if it was generating power!
 
 I remember that lesson very well - I only did it once!
 
 It - the lesson - came in very handy when I was a Honda Motorcycle
 mechanic (and also as a Yamaha Outboard Motor Mechanic - they weren't
 called engineers back then!) as I knew to avoid the business end of a
 plug lead!
 
 I think today's kids are far too molly-coddled! No spark in them. (Ha
 ha!)  ;-)
 

You also have to remember to place the thumb on the same side as the (other?) 
digits when operating a crank handle. They don't seem to supply these any more. 
Crank handles, not thumbs.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql-Users Digest, Vol 84, Issue 81

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On 22 Feb 2011, at 11:37, Tony Firshman wrote:

 gdgqler wrote, on 22/Feb/11 10:15 | Feb22:
 
 On 22 Feb 2011, at 08:18, Norman Dunbar wrote:
 
 
 BETTER, one of the kids wet tongue!  :-)
 (Psst, they still remember that little lesson in life)
 
 My dad was always messing around with old single cylinder petrol
 engines, trying to make them work. I used to help him.
 
 My main task was to hold onto the bare plug lead wire while he cranked
 the engine over - to see if it was generating power!
 
 I remember that lesson very well - I only did it once!
 
 It - the lesson - came in very handy when I was a Honda Motorcycle
 mechanic (and also as a Yamaha Outboard Motor Mechanic - they weren't
 called engineers back then!) as I knew to avoid the business end of a
 plug lead!
 
 I think today's kids are far too molly-coddled! No spark in them. (Ha
 ha!)  ;-)
 
 
 You also have to remember to place the thumb on the same side as the 
 (other?) digits when operating a crank handle. They don't seem to supply 
 these any more. Crank handles, not thumbs.
 Where can I buy a new thumb then?
 

At the local thop maybe?

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Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery

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On 16 Feb 2011, at 21:58, QL-MyLink (f/fh) wrote:

 I've followed this thread... or so I though,  but Dave (Plastic)
 
 what does this mean please? -
 
   strong characters

I thought it was obviously upper case. Or perhaps bold type?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

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On 16 Feb 2011, at 10:30, Plastic wrote:

  was born at platform 11 waiting room,  New Street Station, Birmingham.

In a handbag?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

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On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Plastic wrote:

 
 I have a Gold Card which has the discontinued 40LF220 lithium battery. The
 equivalent MGL0025 is also discontinued, and even with the long shelf life
 of these lithium batteries, the new old stock ones are now useless. When you
 can find them, they were manufactured in 2002 and cost $30+ - one place
 quoted me $140 for a minimum order of 5, plus shipping.
 
 Is there a ready-made adaptor PCB available that will allow me to use a
 CR2032?
 
 Does the Super Gold Card use the same battery?
 
 If not, I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these
 adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks working
 again. I cannot make a guess on price as I have not looked at the cost of
 short-run PCBs recently.
 
 I would be happy to send batches of these to traders in each country at cost
 price.
 
 What is the need/demand for something like this?
 


I would take 3.

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Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery

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On 13 Feb 2011, at 18:56, Ralf Reköndt wrote:

 
 http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=IIMDML_e8265930
 Hmm, somewhat hardware biased for my taste. Given that QPC was in
 recent years probably the most widely used QL platforms of all, it
 seems a bit strange to have it simply referred to as just A
 commercial software emulator.
 
 Quite right. It is *the* QL software emulator.
 

I couldn't agree more.

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Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery

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On 13 Feb 2011, at 20:48, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

 All the emulators can be reconfigured to cover most of the hardware
 out there.
 
 Well, you seem to have the notion that there is QL hardware, and there
 are emulators that emulate said hardware. That's probably true for
 most form of emulators but not for QPC. QPC does NOT emulate any
 native hardware (CPU and strange screen layouts not withstanding), it
 is a QL compatible platform of its own, including specially written
 OS and all.
 
 In fact it's now the other way round, there is no native hardware that
 can match QPC in speed or features. That's why I was a bit mystified
 by your choices. Just saying.

One interesting, and useful, thing about QPC2 is that it emulates a better 
68000 series Motorola chip than actually exists. It combines features of 
several.

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Re: [Ql-Users] The Spring 2011 QL Survery

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On 14 Feb 2011, at 09:26, Lee Privett wrote:

 You know there is something about typing away on the black box that is 
 frustrating especially when you come back to the QL after so many years, not 
 all the keys are in the same place as the keyboard at work I am used to, some 
 of the basic keys are missing especially delete, to which you have to 
 combination press to get the equivalent. But, the QL keys feel nicer to the 
 touch go figure.
 
 I am also reminded of 
 
 If it looks like a sausage, feels like a sausage, tastes and smells like a 
 sausage then...
 

I have got used to getting a QL # by typing the MAC | key, the QL @ by typing 
the MAC  key and so on. Also I can never remember which of my machines allows 
_ by typing the numeric key -, which I set to save finger stretching. Perhaps 
I'll remember that in time. It's all a matter of practice.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Remote Programming

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On 14 Feb 2011, at 09:45, Lee Privett wrote:

 Is it possible to enter S*Basic lines of code remotely?
 
 I naively tried this and obviously it didn't work, but is there a way?
 
 In the #0 window typing this:
 
 
 PRINT #2, 10 REMark this is the first line
 
 Displays ok in window but isn't really there and I have tried a range of 
 derivatives 
 

Yes.

From a daughter basic type

COMMAND_LINE:TYPE_IN 10 rem thischr$(10)

results in line 10 in master basic becoming

10 REMark this

The same can be done from within an executable program.

The commands COMMAND_LINE and TYPE_IN are part of Turbo TK code.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ser-USB Driver Update: External Command Interface (and Progress Update)

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On 13 Feb 2011, at 14:02, Adrian Ives wrote:

 
 Hn.
 
 Well, I'm using SMSQ and I get this ...
 
 65537 DIV 65536 = 1
 65537 MOD 65536 = 1
 
 128000 DIV 65536 = 1
 128000 MOD 65536 = 62464

Yes. SMSQ/E allows larger numbers than integers for DIV and MOD. However, Turbo 
does not allow this.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question

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On 13 Feb 2011, at 15:28, Tony Firshman wrote:

 Ralf Reköndt wrote, on 13/Feb/11 14:53 | Feb13:
 Tony Firshman wrote:
 
 I use IE. Andthe links to the corresponding files for ROMdisq are
 broken!
 
 Whoops - should be OK now.
 Any other broken links?
 
 The file links under http://tfs.firshman.co.uk/ql/rdhist.htm are broken,
 no driver, no manual available.
 
 Done

Yes it is.

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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-You Sir!] The Spring 2011 QL Survery

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On 13 Feb 2011, at 17:45, Plastic wrote:

 
 15 responses so far, and already some definite and surprising trends
 forming.
 
 If anyone with QUANTA or QL Today or any other sites would like to put the
 survey URL on their site, please feel welcome to do so. The more responses,
 the more meaningful it is.
 
 I'm really surprised by a couple of the answers - not at all what I
 expected.

You didn't ask the age of the repliers. Do you think that that variable would 
have been significant in an analysis of the answers?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question

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On 12 Feb 2011, at 15:16, Ralf Reköndt wrote:

 Lee Privett wrote:
 
 Thanks guys, I am now giving some serious thought to a Retro Arcade
 Console with the QL at the core, but at switch-on I don't want the user
 to have to see or press the F1/F2 configuration choice, so the next thing
 is in the EPROM code (which I assume will run first) can I get it jump
 passed the F1/F2 choice and just to if F2 has been pressed so that it
 finishes off the sequence as in TV mode and looks for a boot file or will
 it just load in extensions from the memory locations in the EPROM?
 
 As far as I know, just Minerva supports an automatic start of the OS after a 
 few seconds.

I thought Super Gold Card and probably Gold Card did this. The F1/F2 choice is 
just not there (if you have requested that).

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Re: [Ql-Users] Hardware question

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On 12 Feb 2011, at 17:06, Tony Firshman wrote:

 Ah yes you are right, but I think it only 'presses' it - the start screen 
 still appears I believe.

As I recall the start screen does not in fact appear.

(But that was before the battery gave out!)

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