Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-05 Thread gdgqler
On 4 Mar 2011, at 18:16, Bob Spelten wrote: I have just looked at TurboPTR and discover that it allows you to set the colours of pan or scroll arrow, pan or scroll bar and pan or scroll section independently. EasyMenu allows you to do that too, but when you actually draw the menu in

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-04 Thread François Van Emelen
Op 3/03/2011 22:33, Bob Spelten schreef: Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:59:31 +0100 schreef Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: I have never worked out hot to change the colours of the pan/scroll bars in QPTR correctly... I would have to revisit my Basic to check but I don't remember this being a

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-04 Thread Bob Spelten
Op Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:38:15 +0100 schreef François Van Emelen francois.vaneme...@telenet.be: Op 3/03/2011 22:33, Bob Spelten schreef: Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:59:31 +0100 schreef Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: I have never worked out hot to change the colours of the pan/scroll bars in

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-04 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Bob Spelten wrote: So this brings back another Sprite question, what is the current limit for pointer sprites? The maximum I could make was a line of 64 characters or 384x10 (or 12?) pixels. The maximum for pointer sprites is I think 64x64 = 4096 pixels. Any more and SMSQ/E crashed, there

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-04 Thread Bob Spelten
Op Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:10:02 +0100 schreef Marcel Kilgus ql-us...@mail.kilgus.net: Bob Spelten wrote: So this brings back another Sprite question, what is the current limit for pointer sprites? The maximum I could make was a line of 64 characters or 384x10 (or 12?) pixels. The maximum for

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-04 Thread gdgqler
On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:33, Bob Spelten wrote: Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:59:31 +0100 schreef Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: I have never worked out hot to change the colours of the pan/scroll bars in QPTR correctly... I have just looked at TurboPTR and discover that it allows you to

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-04 Thread Bob Spelten
Op Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:51:58 +0100 schreef gdgqler gdgq...@gmail.com: I have just looked at TurboPTR and discover that it allows you to set the colours of pan or scroll arrow, pan or scroll bar and pan or scroll section independently. EasyMenu allows you to do that too, but when you

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Spelten
Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 00:17:46 +0100 schreef Marcel Kilgus ql-us...@mail.kilgus.net: Marcel, ... GD2: - Introduced the extended colour modes - Can use high colour sprites - Can use alpha blending for the sprites - As sprite data can become huge, I added simple RLE compression This

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread tobias.froesc...@t-online.de
-Original-Nachricht- Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:53:13 +0100 From: Bob Spelten b...@chello.nl To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 00:17:46 +0100 schreef Marcel Kilgus ql-us...@mail.kilgus.net: Marcel, ... GD2: - Introduced the extended colour

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Norman Dunbar
On 03/03/11 14:56, Bob Spelten wrote: I have just produced my first piece of asm that Gwass turned into a working bin function. (it took only a handful of system crashes, and I haven't even read Norman's series. ;) ) Sigh! I knew it was only George and me! ;-) Cheers, Norman. -- Norman

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Marcel Kilgus
tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: never tried it on the real black box, but I'm successfully running ptr_gen 2.0.1 against wman 2.05 in uqlx and Minerva. The trick is - don't use the newest ptr_gen, 2.02 and 2.03 proved largely too un-stable to me (at least on that platform) to be really

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Bob Spelten wrote: My question remains, why or when should I use Bitmask? Rules of thumb: - If the sprite is a complete solid rectangle, don't use any mask. - If the sprite is QL mode and has a shape, use a bitmask - If the sprite is high colour, use alpha mask I have just produced my first

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Dilwyn Jones
JS ROM is needed at least. Works fine for me under QemuLator and Minerva, though background I/O seems to be partially broken. So far I tried a Black Box JS +SGC and Aurora JS +SGC and many combinations of the PE2 trio. I will give it another go with Tobias's suggestion. Bob I suspect there

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Norman Dunbar
On 03/03/11 15:26, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Count me in too! Couldn't have written display_cde and other bits and pieces without your articles. THREE!! That's a 50% increase in readers since yesterday! Statistics - 86% are made up! ;-) Do you still use DJToolkit then? A lot of good stuff went

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Spelten
Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:59:37 +0100 schreef Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk: On 03/03/11 14:56, Bob Spelten wrote: I have just produced my first piece of asm that Gwass turned into a working bin function. (it took only a handful of system crashes, and I haven't even read Norman's

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Dilwyn Jones
On 03/03/11 14:56, Bob Spelten wrote: I have just produced my first piece of asm that Gwass turned into a working bin function. (it took only a handful of system crashes, and I haven't even read Norman's series. ;) ) Sigh! I knew it was only George and me! ;-) I will probably dig up my old

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Dilwyn Jones
On 03/03/11 15:26, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Count me in too! Couldn't have written display_cde and other bits and pieces without your articles. THREE!! That's a 50% increase in readers since yesterday! Statistics - 86% are made up! ;-) Well, my misinterpretation of the Quanta/QL Today subs

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread gdgqler
g On 3 Mar 2011, at 12:24, Marcel Kilgus wrote: - introduced system sprites (corresponding to the system palette users can exchange the sprites with their own and all compatible applications will use the new theme) You provided some nice examples for this but how can I turn my own

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Marcel Kilgus
gdgqler wrote: I cannot find INCBIN among the QMAC assembler directives. I presume that if it were there it would cause the inclusion of a binary file, already assembled. GWASS allows the inclusion of such files by LIB. Then your QMAC might be too old, at least 1.06 has INCBIN. But reading

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Norman Dunbar
On 03/03/11 15:41, Bob Spelten wrote: I will probably dig up my old QL Todays and have another look at it. It should make a lot more sense now. ;) Bob, there's something (fairly large) in your inbox. :-) Cheers, Norman. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
I did the same with Wolfgang's QPTR lectures, working through them when I really needed it. Oh waoh, so, to guttenberg (sorry only the german readers will understand that) Norman, that's an increase in readership of 100 % (or is it? If you go from 0 to 1; by how mùany percent have you

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread gdgqler
On 3 Mar 2011, at 15:26, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I have just produced my first piece of asm that Gwass turned into a working bin function. (it took only a handful of system crashes, and I haven't even read Norman's series. ;) ) Sigh! I knew it was only George and me! ;-) Cheers, Norman.

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread gdgqler
On 3 Mar 2011, at 16:38, Marcel Kilgus wrote: gdgqler wrote: I cannot find INCBIN among the QMAC assembler directives. I presume that if it were there it would cause the inclusion of a binary file, already assembled. GWASS allows the inclusion of such files by LIB. Then your QMAC might be

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Spelten
Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:03:07 +0100 schreef Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk: I did the same with Wolfgang's QPTR lectures, working through them when I really needed it. Bob Good grief, somebody admits to understanding QPTR! It's been a while since I looked at the program

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:03:07 +0100 schreef Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk: I did the same with Wolfgang's QPTR lectures, working through them when I really needed it. Bob Good grief, somebody admits to understanding QPTR! It's been a while since I looked at the program (still

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Spelten
Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:39:18 +0100 schreef Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk: On 03/03/11 15:41, Bob Spelten wrote: I will probably dig up my old QL Todays and have another look at it. It should make a lot more sense now. ;) Bob, there's something (fairly large) in your inbox. :-)

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Spelten
Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:41:39 +0100 schreef Wolfgang Lenerz w...@scp-paulet-lenerz.com: I did the same with Wolfgang's QPTR lectures, working through them when I really needed it. Oh waoh, so, to guttenberg (sorry only the german readers will understand that) Norman, that's an increase in

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Norman Dunbar
On 03/03/11 16:41, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Oh waoh, so, to guttenberg (sorry only the german readers will understand that) Norman, that's an increase in readership of 100 % (or is it? If you go from 0 to 1; by how mùany percent have you increased?). Well, work it out 1/0 * 100 = 100/0 =

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Rich Mellor
On 03/03/2011 18:15, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:03:07 +0100 schreef Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk: I did the same with Wolfgang's QPTR lectures, working through them when I really needed it. Bob Good grief, somebody admits to understanding QPTR! It's been a

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Tobias Fröschle
Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 16:16 +0100 schrieb Marcel Kilgus: Well, then you'll also miss most features mentioned (like sprites with solid masks). Perhaps the uQLx patching does mess things up. Or there are still some bugs (of course very much possible ;) ), but the complains over the

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Spelten
Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:59:31 +0100 schreef Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: I have never worked out hot to change the colours of the pan/scroll bars in QPTR correctly... I would have to revisit my Basic to check but I don't remember this being a problem. It is a problem in EasyPTR

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Rich Mellor
On 03/03/2011 21:33, Bob Spelten wrote: Op Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:59:31 +0100 schreef Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: I have never worked out hot to change the colours of the pan/scroll bars in QPTR correctly... I would have to revisit my Basic to check but I don't remember this being a

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-03 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Tobias Fröschle wrote: I can very well live with no background window update (Although I very much appreciate you made it working on SMSQ/E that I use on QPC and QLX- It looks like it has been considerable work), And you're right with your assessment ;) but not quite with having an

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-02 Thread gdgqler
On 2 Mar 2011, at 14:23, Dilwyn Jones wrote: One of the things I've realised I've probably never seen despite using it so much myself is a short (one-line) description of what the Window Manager 2 is all about. As I understand it it is this, briefly: New WM vectors are provided

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-02 Thread BryanHorstmann
On 02/03/2011 02:23, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I'm in the process of writing an article for Quanta mag about the new graphical capabilities of QL compatible systems. One of the things I've realised I've probably never seen despite using it so much myself is a short (one-line) description of what

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-02 Thread Dilwyn Jones
On 02/03/2011 02:23, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I'm in the process of writing an article for Quanta mag about the new graphical capabilities of QL compatible systems. One of the things I've realised I've probably never seen despite using it so much myself is a short (one-line) description of what

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-02 Thread Bob Spelten
Op Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:20:26 +0100 schreef gdgqler gdgq...@gmail.com: On 2 Mar 2011, at 14:23, Dilwyn Jones wrote: One of the things I've realised I've probably never seen despite using it so much myself is a short (one-line) description of what the Window Manager 2 is all about. As

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-02 Thread gdgqler
On 2 Mar 2011, at 17:05, Bob Spelten wrote: On 2 Mar 2011, at 14:23, Dilwyn Jones wrote: One of the things I've realised I've probably never seen despite using it so much myself is a short (one-line) description of what the Window Manager 2 is all about. As I understand it it

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-02 Thread Dilwyn Jones
One of the things I've realised I've probably never seen despite using it so much myself is a short (one-line) description of what the Window Manager 2 is all about. As I understand it it is this, briefly: New WM vectors are provided dealing with GD2 colours. In particular there is

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-02 Thread Dave Park
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.ukwrote: Seems comprehensive, although I'd probably have to include a glossary to explain the various terms - if people haven't heard of Wman 2 they are unlikely to know what Alpha masks, RLE, chained extended sprites and

Re: [Ql-Users] Window Manager 2

2011-03-02 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Bob Spelten wrote: WMAN2 provides support for up to 32K colours for PE window elements, direct or through the use of 1 to 4 System Palettes or a User Palette set up in RAM. True. This was the main reason for WMAN2. It also supports sprites in 8, 16 or 24 bit modes with Alpha masks or no