Re: [RBW] Re: Generations of Clems

Thanks, everyone, I knew you would know. I will get to see my BIL’s bike in July, and I’m going to look for all the details you’ve described. I will also see my MIL’S Clementine that month, so it ought to be noticeable. And yes, Ana, I so agree! Wonder if we could ever beg hard enough to

[RBW] Re: Seems I stumbled across the most(?) Rivendell-like alternative out there

I wrote what "ultimately sets them apart", but I meant *one of the things* that sets them apart. The designs and bicycle experience are obviously also distinguished and several cuts above. The Brooklyn guys are business people first, bike people second. Not so with Rivendell, as we know;^) On

[RBW] Re: Seems I stumbled across the most(?) Rivendell-like alternative out there

[image: 1] I don't really see the Brooklyn as being comparable to a Clem L, or very Rivendell-like. It's just not in the same league, whether design-wise or quality-wise. It's more like a Raleigh Sport or its many variants--although I dare say the vintage bicycles will be better quality, at

Re: [RBW] Re: Hidden Gift of Riding a Bike

That is very heartwarming Patrick. God bless you. > On 28 May 2018, at 8:47 AM, tc wrote: > > Good man, Patrick. Good reminder for the caretakers who often get > "sandwiched" with older and younger and less able family and friends to care > for, and certainly a good

[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

Wow. You weren’t kidding about the rear bags being massive. I am usually an overpacker. I would rather have it and not need then need it and not have it. Enjoy the travels. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: WTT :: 68cm Quickbeam for Huge Rosco Mixte

Nice score Ryan and glad it worked out for you to land that last one. Also very generous of you to offer it to Amit... hopefully you both manage to own one at the same time. I was back and forth between preordering a 65cm Clem vs waiting for the Jumbo Rosco to be finalized but ultimately

[RBW] Re: 59/65cm 700c/29er Clems with 29x2.5 Surly Extraterrestrials?

Thanks. I didn’t expect to make a decision so quickly but when the price was too good to pass up and the sale ends in a day and I had a nice long ride that allowed me better organize some thoughts I just went for it. I also realized I didn’t want to delay much longer to try some kind of

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Stoker asked whether I considered a stem with less rise. Yes, I considered purchasing a stem with less rise vs using the stem that I had. I elected to use the stem that I had on hand already, going for a less ‘racy’ position for the time being. I was going for a ‘sport touring’ setup in the

[RBW] Re: Tire Pressure Question

Hey Rich, Here's a Google Spreadsheet calculator based upon the same research from Bicycle Quarterly mentioned by R. Kennedy above: Tire Pressure Calculator Cheers, John On Thursday, May

[RBW] Re: 59/65cm 700c/29er Clems with 29x2.5 Surly Extraterrestrials?

Ah, gotcha. I have 2.1 Nanos on my Atlantis and you know, they're just a great all-around tire, too, with that same raised center ridge that plays well on pavement but give plenty of dry dirt grip. Good luck! Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Nice build. You mention the bars are higher than most of your other builds - curious if you considered a stem with less rise? Or were you specifically interested in a higher position? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] WTB: 42cm straight Nitto rack stays

If anyone has a pair of these laying around that you're willing to sell, please let me know. As long as they're straight and functionally fine, I don't care about light scratching. Thanks. Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] Re: Hidden Gift of Riding a Bike

Good man, Patrick. Good reminder for the caretakers who often get "sandwiched" with older and younger and less able family and friends to care for, and certainly a good reminder of the many things we take for granted. Tom On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 5:27:17 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

No offense taken. My given name is William. My grandfather was Will. I go by Bill or Bubba. Old high school friends call me Cat. Ex coworkers from the bike shop call me Blintz. The kids on the high school team are actively engineering a new nickname. My fake rapper name was “Vanilla Bean”. --

[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

Looks like you’re getting more comfortable, including with being uncomfortable! Grin. Great job! Baby-head sized rocks are never ridable short of an extreme MTB or fatbike set up. Fortunately, they are bikeable via LCG! Grin. Photos of steep bits always look wimpy. They never show the blood,

[RBW] FS: 48cm Nitto Noodles w/ Brake Levers Bar End Pods

Went around and around on figuring out bar setups and stem reach on my Black Mountain Monster Cross and wound up full circle back at Albastaches that luckily didn’t sell. Noodles were purchased new and were mounted to a few threadless stems. Whole package includes: Nitto Noodle Bar - 48cm

[RBW] PSA 56 Atlantis Portland Oregon

No relation. Just saw this on Craigslist. Rivendell Atlantis 56cm https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/bik/d/rivendell-atlantis-56cm/6600752528.html56cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Bill L. My apologies for referencing you as Will. Hope that does not ruin my credibility regarding appreciating your posts about the team. I stand by my harlequin theory however. Ryan “horrible with names” Hankinson Somewhere in Michigan. -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Rim recommendations?

I've run their TB14 with Barlow Pass & Jack Browns. No problems mounting. The style of the rim is a little more traditional than the Archetype, if I remember right. I like them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: Clicking noise -- About to lose my mind.

Hey Nathan, Just dealt with the same problem for the past two weeks- clicking sound only under torque. Went systematically through all the obvious culprits-bottom bracket, pedals, crank bolts etc. etc. Worked one thing at a time, and for me it was a couple loose spokes in the rear wheel

[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

Darn, need something a bit wider...but thanks for the info! On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 1:50:08 PM UTC-7, d2mini wrote: > > They’re Velocity Synergy 32 hole rims with shimano hubs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

Bob Thanks, these charts give the Stack & Reach John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 5:18:11 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > > I am not the OP and cannot speak to a Homer from 8 years ago, but the > May/2017 geometry chart includes a 56cm/650B Hilsen... Maybe those figures >

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Regarding the tape pattern, I went with this one quite deliberately. The “Roadini” text on the downtube is filled with two tone red and green on one side. Red on top green on the bottom. On the other side of the downtube the full is reversed: green on top red on the bottom. The wrap matches

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

No Bill you are clearly mistaken. If William has done a diamond harlequin pattern the time would have been clearly faster. He mentioned 4 potential wrap configurations; I think the route should be attempted to fine the fastest bar tape. On a more serious note I commend and enjoy each story

[RBW] WTB: Nitto Front Racks in LA Area

Hi folks, I've got a few weeks left in my fellowship at the Huntington, and am looking for a good front-loading solution for the low trail frame I just picked up from Ty (thanks Ty!). Anyone in the area have a Campee, M12, etc. lying around? Thanks, Reid in Austin (though currently in

[RBW] Hidden Gift of Riding a Bike

Grant and a few others have mentioned the challenge of helping people who are homeless, who we as bike riders see and encounter more than others because we are in the out of the way places. I encounter it now and again, increasingly in the last two years. Clearly the current answers for

[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

I am not the OP and cannot speak to a Homer from 8 years ago, but the May/2017 geometry chart includes a 56cm/650B Hilsen... Maybe those figures will help. https://web.archive.org/web/20170602082329/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry Bob Galesburg, IL On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 4:03:53

[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

Do you have the Stack & Reach dimensions? New charts omitted them John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

I think the Red-Green "tape effect" made that record possible. There's no other possible explanation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

Confirming what Bill said re: the Sam/Homer comparison. Couple of years ago Grant did a lengthy Blug piece on the Sam. He noted that the two felt so similar he couldn’t tell the difference. Go with one or the other and you’ll be ready for sporty riding or going on a weekend campout. OTOH an

[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

Hi Tom, Thanks for doing those measurements on your Sam! I have been paying particular attention to stack height on potential frames and knowing the real, even if approximate, figure on a 58cm Sam really helps. I need to measure my 58cm Joe to see how it figures in. The 2017 chart shows

[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

They’re Velocity Synergy 32 hole rims with shimano hubs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

d2mini, I've been looking for a wheelset right along those lines. Are they these or something different? Any quick notes on the condition? -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

Can't figure out how to edit the original. https://photos.app.goo.gl/aKdJ6qG4bMEApW6U2 > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

This is what comes up *404.* That’s an error. The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know. Care to try again John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

Sorry, forgot to enable sharing. Should work now. On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 2:12:22 PM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote: > > The URL isn’t working. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Seems I stumbled across the most(?) Rivendell-like alternative out there

I'd agree with that speculation: things like the freewheel and long-reach brake calipers (both serviceable but not remotely impressive) probably knock $100 off the sticker price, plus another $100 or whatever for comparable headsets and bottom brackets...zero frame embellishments...and the

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

That's your daily view. Why do I live in Philadelphia, again? And congrats! Eric On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 1:18:02 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Pics or it didn't happen: > > >

[RBW] Re: Seems I stumbled across the most(?) Rivendell-like alternative out there

Seems pretty in line with the prices of Linus, Pure, Public, etc. Or even entry-level Specialized and Trek. Although I'll grant you those frames are 4130 CrMo. Do they ride as nice as a Riv? Of course not. But I've ridden a few of the above brands, and they're not bad. As to how they do it: I'm

[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

Sorry if this is a duplicate post ... I think I just lost my original. Sam and Homer are "country bikes". New Atlantis and Joe are designed for loaded touring. Anyway, Max, bottom line per the new Riv catalog is that Homer and Sam are, quote "...95 percent functional clones, and you can pick

[RBW] FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

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[RBW] FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

This is an original Homer, about 8 years old. Size 56 and sized for 650b wheels. The cool part is that it has a custom green paint job (Joel Green) from Joe Bell. The not cool part is the paint/decal got a bit damaged on the seat tube from a baby carrier that was clamped there. The rest of the

[RBW] Re: Seems I stumbled across the most(?) Rivendell-like alternative out there

I just looked at their website and they're offering seemingly-nice complete bikes for $400 to $750 and that includes delivery to, and assembly by, a local bike shop? How can they do that? Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

Re: [RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

Then there's my Cheviot, which is a Sportybike Load Carrier Longstay Mixte Cruising Racer! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Eat Bacon Don't Jog--Goal set, goal met

I read EBDJ and the Big Far Surprise a few years back and it changed my approach to eating. I love EBDJ though I could argue about some ideas on the fringe. I did lose 20 lbs but then put some back when I stopped focusing on how I ate. It is going back down again. Here are my observations so

[RBW] Re: Brooks B17

Thanks everyone. All very good and helpful information and experiences. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

This is correct, with many shades of grey between Sporty Bike and Loadcarrier! And don’t forget, one needs: Drop Bar Sporty Swept Back Sporty Drop Bar Load Carrier Swept Back Load Carrier > On May 27, 2018, at 10:48 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Max asked: "Now, for the

[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

I see the difference between the Sam and the MIT Atlantis. My Joe and Sam ride very differently. What are folks thoughts on the differences between the Toyo Atlantis and the Sam Hillborne besides tire clearance? I would think both have stout tubing and the geometry charts look similar to my

[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

Max asked: "Now, for the functional differences between Homer, Sam, and Atlantis – increasing tire size and load capacity?.. " Homer and Sam are functionally equivalent. There's no great justification for any normal person to have a Homer and a Sam, unless you were going to execute two

[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

Look at the Front-Center dimension on the 58 cm Sam – clearly a typo. Also, the maximum tire size on Sam being 700x46, whereas on Homer 700x56 has got to be wrong... Good thing folks are flagging this – hopefully Riv can do a correction? Now, for the functional differences between Homer, Sam,

[RBW] Re: Coffee Making Question

Old school. Bring water to boil. Turn off stove. Throw in coffee. Sit for a couple of minutes. If you have eggshells, throw them and then sprinkle with cold water to help settle grounds. Now you have a choice. Traditionally I would pour through a bandanna, preferably one I have been wearing for

[RBW] Re: Generations of Clems

Totally agree with Mark - Clementine is a fabulous name. Lots of personality! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Generations of Clems

If memory serves the most major change was switch from curved stays over to the ball and socket seat lug. Might be others I don’t remember. Enjoy the ride John in Jersey City -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

Yo Bill, as one 65 year old fart to another, you're gonna have a blast. I have to say that because I'm about to do the Colorado segment with another 65 yr old. We gotta stick together. I like the comments so far. Food for thought is wonderful when you have that hunger of

[RBW] Clicking noise -- About to lose my mind.

I had a click that turned out to be the aglet on a shoelace hitting a crankarm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] appaloosa tire fit

you’ve caught me being lazy, patrick; but meanwhile I have been assured it will work, albeit with a bit of wheel flop up front (nothing troublesome, but did not notice any with the soma cazadero 50’s I removed. thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[RBW] appaloosa tire fit

For what it's worth, I have a 62cm Appa with velocity atlas rims and tried to fit the Continental X-King Protection tires Riv sells on their website - the 2.4's. Front fit fine, too tight in the rear - they rubbed on the chainstays. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Re: Clicking noise -- About to lose my mind.

could be a loose spoke. check tension and put a drop of lube in around each nipple. On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 4:52:06 PM UTC-7, Nathan Neuberger wrote: > > I'm in need of some help with an aggravating problem. Several years ago my > bike developed a clicking sound. It occurs at the same spot

Re: [RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

There have always been subtle variations. Your story, Doug, mirrors what I said about top tubes on the 64’s: 62cm long in 2001. 60 cm long in 2007. And yes, Hillbornes too: the very earliest green ones with cantis had longer TT’s than the sidepull/canti oranges that followed them in 2010.

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Pics or it didn't happen: Perfect day in El Cerrito On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 10:15:02 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I took Leo out for a first ride this

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

I took Leo out for a first ride this morning on my normal 22 mile loop with 1800ft climbing around Wildcat Canyon. It rode like a road bike, it rode like a Rivendell. The setup is quite a bit more upright than my Black Mountain had been, so if I felt like sitting up, that was easier. In full

[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

There have been on-going subtle variations. I tend to focus on the 58 cm Atlantis since that's what I ride. In the current chart, the gray one with the old geos shows chainstays for a 58 cm Atlantis at 45.5 cm, which is what my '03 has. But in the May '17 chart, the clock in at 47 cm. I

[RBW] Re: Clicking noise -- About to lose my mind.

The last irritating click I had also occurred during the power stroke. After doing everything else, I swapped out the rear wheel and that fixed it. The rim was a first generation Pacenti SL23 that was due to be replaced anyway. Good luck. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

[RBW] Re: Clicking noise -- About to lose my mind.

I had a click once that took me a while to figure out. The sound only happened on big hill climbs. Two loose spokes where they touched was creating the sound. Some people put a drop of oil between the spokes to minimize any noise. I just had the wheel trued and it did the trick. -- You

[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

I do think there are are typos and/or oddities in the geometry charts, though, who knows, maybe with certain center pull brakes 55mm is possible. I think you are certainly right about the Tektro sidepulls though. I get the impression that more goes into the recommended PBH/sizing chart than

[RBW] Re: Tire Pressure Question

Adam 15% Tire Drop pressure is 55 psig front, 67 psig rear, so letting it go low is not bad John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 12:07:07 AM UTC-4, Adam in Indiana wrote: > > Just for the sake of posterity: > > Pasela 35mm, standard up front, TG in back, on Sun M13II rims,

[RBW] Re: Generations of Clems

Kai is correct in that the curved stays of Clem v1 were a work around for the seatlug with fixed angle sockets for the seat stays. There was a second batch of Clem’s that came in 2016 in all sizes along with the only batch of 65clem H and these still had that same lug and curved stays but it

[RBW] Re: Brooks B17

Also going to report here on another saddle. On her upright, my daughter was delighted from day one with the (now discontinued) B68S - and anybody should be in upright riding position. Over 4 years on her '86 Team Fuji

[RBW] Re: Brooks B17

Greg, I'd say it's less anatomy than riding position. I've been through all the leather saddle options (except Berthoud). I have B17 (select) on my two more upright bikes, and Swallow (B15) on my two drop-bar road bikes. When I first tried a Swallow, was surprised how invisible this saddle