[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Anyone looking for an early adopter of your Appaloosa handlebars? I'll be happy to take them. -Kai Brooklyn NY On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 7:56:40 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I *love* the bars. Very cool looking, and in that "reach straight back at > you" shape which seems to be the

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I'm looking at those bars and thinking "$2100 for that sweet handlebar, and it comes with a FREE BIKE attached" On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 1:47:51 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: > > Anyone looking for an early adopter of your Appaloosa handlebars? I'll be > happy to take them. > -Kai > Brooklyn

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

As others have mentioned I have also been waiting on a frameset. Part of what I enjoy about Rivendell's is the individuality of each bike being set up by each owners preferences. Alain I don't know what components are being put on this complete to invest $2100. I do like the rigidity of the

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I've never owned a Riv but as a potential future buyer, I strongly prefer the Atlantis/Bombadil/Hunqapillar line of bikes over the Clem and Appaloosa. I have reservations about the super long chainstays but mostly my reservations revolve around the move to designing bikes for bars with huge

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

As a Bomba owner of an early version I appreciate it even more with each succesive model ! It's great not needing another frame . On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:33:06 AM UTC-4, El Sapo wrote: > > Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I > really like

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Chris, last year on the Blug there was a prototype of this that as near as I can tell here plotting it out in Illustrator had the same proportions as the final 62cm Appaloosa, and they actually built it up with an old-school bullmoose and not the bosco-sweepy ones:

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Sweet! Glad to hear it Kurt, and nice seeing it again. I just keep remembering that bike whenever the Appaloosa/Clem talk turns to how they need to have sweepy bars ;) I just keep thinking how much I'd rather have that setup with the more mountainy posture. On Friday, October 30, 2015 at

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

That's my bike and it works great with regular bullmoose bars! On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:38:56 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote: > > Chris, last year on the Blug there was a prototype of this

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

such a sweet bike! On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 10:57:32 AM UTC-4, Kurt Manley wrote: > > > > That's my bike and it works great with regular bullmoose bars! > > On Friday, October 30, 2015 at

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

im still not sure what exactly makes this more like a hunq/atlantis/bombadil than a sam hillborne. from my novice reading and riv's 2011 chart, the geometry is almost the same as a sam (excluding longer stays), the prototype looks like a sam and it's replacing the sam in the lineup for now. i

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Now that, I do like!!! I have to say that Bullmoose handlebars are sort of an end goal for me on my dream bike. Is that a 26", 650B or 700c bike? On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:57:32 AM UTC-5, Kurt Manley wrote: > > >

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I thought about this too, but maybe it has to do with tubing? They created a new fork crown, which seems to be made for rougher stuff. The geometry is different than a Sam. Longer wheelbase - longer CS and more fork rake. Lower BB, longer TT. HT and ST seems to be in between the Atlantis and

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I'm a bullmoose handlebar lover. But after riding this bosco bullmoose, I think it's better (for me). Ive moved on from drop bars. This Bosco is going to make me move on from mountain bike bars. Keep in mind that your hand position can move from the grips (way back) to a point where they are

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

"i guess im just confused as to why they would market it as a cheaper atlantis." I disagree that they are "marketing it as a cheaper atlantis". They sometimes attempt to give us context about what kind of riding it is intended with relative statements like it fits in between the Atlantis and

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

It's a 700c, 29x2.1 on it in the photo On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:21:46 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: > > Now that, I do like!!! I have to say that Bullmoose handlebars are sort > of an end goal for me on my dream bike. Is that a 26", 650B or 700c bike? > > > > On Friday, October 30,

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Agreed, I'll have to wait to see if they are just selling framesets. I'm also not too big a fan of the Hillborne blue color. The $400 off is very tempting though... On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:13:56 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Marco wrote: > > Really liking the look of this bike, It's got me

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It not my fault! Riv is making too many great bikes. It is an exciting time to be part of everything going on. On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 6:48:22 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On 10/29/2015 12:07 AM, Wayne Naha wrote: > > No regrets here. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Really liking the look of this bike, It's got me considering selling my Atlantis, but I certainly don't want the stock build. I would likely transfer all the parts from my Atlantis to a Japaloosa. The bar looks like it would be stiff and comfortable but it's ugly as hell... Hmmm... decisions,

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I think the complete bike is a great deal. The only parts I can't live with are the brakes, but that's an easy swap. I'd have to try that handlebar, too. Not sure about that. The wheelsets are the achilles heel of complete bike builds but these have the Silver hubs, both 36h. That's a great

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I thought this was going to be that bike. Would they do two new bikes in one year? On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:36:37 AM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote: > > Right? Although it's been said over the phone that something specifically > tailored to the 100 club was in the works in the coming year. It

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Right? Although it's been said over the phone that something specifically tailored to the 100 club was in the works in the coming year. It might be secret, I'm sure information will be released in a need to know basis. No norms. -Kai Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

If a "Giant" Joe Appaloosa came out for 97+PBH I would be an early adopter for sure. That price point is a screaming deal even leaving wiggle room for personal preferences like brakes, dyno, or cockpit. Blue would not be my first choice but never a deal breaker from my perspective. RWH is

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Right? Although it's been said over the phone that something specifically tailored to the 100 club was in the works I'm the coming year. It might be secret, I'm sure information will be released in a need to know basis. No norms. -Kai Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

For me a dynamo hub is non negotiable, so that rules out most complete bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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I am so disappointed in their sizing. Once again they left out the over 97cm crowd. I thought the Appaloosa was originally supposed to be for larger riders. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

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Me too. I had the Bosco Bullmoose on my QB but took them off...just too much rise for the already tall front end, and had discovered that (standard) boscos worked better with my Trucker anyways. Since then I've tried a number of bar configurations on the QB but nothing really gelled. This

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

They might credit you to have Rich build a set. And even if not, the $400 off will cover one of their in-stock Velocity-built SP dyno wheels. On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 7:44:33 AM UTC-7, Lynne Cooney wrote: > > For me a dynamo hub is non negotiable, so that rules out most complete >

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

This is my *dream* handlebar too!! Basically a similar function to a moustache bar, but with the primary hand position (the one with access to the brake levers) being the closer, more upright one. That's where I need the brakes, because that's where my hands are when I'm riding slow or in

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Pics of the Appaloosa on the Blug are terrific. I'm looking forward to the pics of the new fork crown built up. (BTW-- looks like the "fix" to the fork crown was to eliminate the windows facing the midline. see

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I think Shoji's Hunqapillar and the Joe Appaloosa have a lot of overlap. The Appaloosa would be awesome for me because I sold my Bombadil to finance a Mountain Bike, and because I don't own a Hunqapillar. Comparing the Cheviut to the Appaloosa, I slightly prefer cantilever/V-brakes for huge

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

These are exactly my questions as well. I'm pretty set on what I have. Hunq (Bosco with 14 cm Ritchey stem, big dirt tires), Hillborne (classic Albatross, Barlow Pass fasties), and Atlantis (classic Albatross, 50 mm tires and fenders) trade off almost all of the duties on my favorite riding. (The

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Comparing it to the Hunqapillar and Atlantis, the most interesting thing about the Appaloosa geometry to me is that it appears to be intended for use with a smaller maximum tire size. Perhaps this suggests that it is slated to be even more of a touring-specific bike, than the jack-of-many

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Comparing it to the Hunqapillar and Atlantis, the most interesting thing about the Appaloosa geometry to me is that it appears to be intended for use with a smaller maximum tire size. Perhaps this suggests that it is slated to be even more of a touring-specific bike, than the jack-of-many

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

The drop being 77 mm as opposed to 80 mm is puzzling to me. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2015, at 5:24 PM, iamkeith wrote: > > Comparing it to the Hunqapillar and Atlantis, the most interesting thing > about the Appaloosa geometry to me is that it appears to be

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

On 10/29/2015 12:07 AM, Wayne Naha wrote: No regrets here. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't love to have a Joe alongside my Clem. It just that when my wife and I were discussing my Clem purchase she asked, "Is this the last bike you are going to buy _during our marriage_?" It's a

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I really like those handlebars. It's also a great price. I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's the Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe could have an impact on the

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Ooh, can a Hunqa fit a 2.5" tire? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

"With the JA, sounds like maybe, possibly, they are thinking of finally retiring the flagship...slowly, gently" Certainly lots of mention of the differences between Joe & Atlantislonger stays, more tire clearance, etc. The Atlantis has been around since 1999.75. Maybe with the design

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

No regrets here. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't love to have a Joe alongside my Clem. It just that when my wife and I were discussing my Clem purchase she asked, "Is this the last bike you are going to buy *during our marriage*?" It's a little soon to try and weasel out of that one.

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I really like the proto silver color with the cream, understated classy but not boring. With the JA, sounds like maybe, possibly, they are thinking of finally retiring the flagship...slowly, gently On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 7:56:40 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I *love* the bars.

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem but the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long chain stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the Clem

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

cool. looks like a fun bike, and a good deal. not sure how i feel about the new bars yet. if i didnt have a sam and a bunch of parts lying around, i'd be all over this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

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Looks like Geo was released on the riv tumblr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

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The new J-A looks great, so many nice details all worked out. I had been leaning to a custom, for touring, but finances have been tight, and so that project is delayed. Does anyone know if the Joe will be offered eventually as just frame & fork? - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this

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That bike is SICK! On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote: > > Looks like Geo was released on the riv tumblr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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GREAT gearing-Original Message- From: Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> Sent: Oct 28, 2015 4:51 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry That bike is SICK!On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-7

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I *love* the bars. Very cool looking, and in that "reach straight back at you" shape which seems to be the only one I can ride more than 5 miles. The fork crown is pretty sweet, too. I love the bike..we'll see about the color. I'm not a big fan of Sam Blue, but the Clem Blue is awesome. I'm in

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Wondering if the 62cm will be a single- or double-top-tube. Anyone know? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I love this bike! On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 7:56:40 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

58cm & 62cm are double top-tube. I'm glad I went with the Clem frameset - complete bikes just don't appeal to me as I usually have enough parts to build up a couple frames. If this were offered as a frameset only in the future, I'd definitely be interested. David Chicago On Wednesday, October

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

If I were betting, I'd bet double. Tougher call is parallel versus diagonal. I'm gonna guess parallel double. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 28, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Jack B wrote: > > Wondering if the 62cm will be a single- or double-top-tube. > > Anyone know? > > -- > You

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

One li'l thing that may also prove to be more Hunq/Atlantis than Atlantis/Hillborne is wheel size. Looks like the small J. Appaloosa had 26" wheels. Going 26" for small sizes would veer in the direction of Hunq/Atlantis & make it even more of a touring bike in the traditional sense than the

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Man, it's been driving me nuts for quite a while, trying to remember where I'd first heard that the new appaloosa was going to have long chainstays. But I finally figured it out: It's in a post by Grant, in this thread:

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I ride one of those Mystery Bike protovelos on 50mm Big Bens. Grant once wrote that it was especially designed for flat-landish commuting. That's my modus operandi, and we get along quite well. He wrote extensively in the Blug on what he was up to while designing his own prototype long bike,

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

The frame you mention is but "pie in the sky" as of today . No one can know a geometry for a bike that does not exist ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

If they plan on producing it sometime next year Riv must have their geometry charts finished by now. I hope they decide to make it in a larger stock size than do with any of their other large tired bikes. On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 7:10:00 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote: > > > > The frame you

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Yes, the thing everyone seems to be missing outside "Hillborne with greater clearances" is "Hillborne with longer chainstays." Those two sum up Joe A. for me. On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 9:46:30 AM UTC-7, Matt R wrote: > > Hello all, > > Just wondering if anyone has insider knowledge about

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 8:50:39 AM UTC-6, Braxton Colagross wrote: > > Yes, the thing everyone seems to be missing outside "Hillborne with > greater clearances" is *"Hillborne with longer chainstays."* > That's what I had expected too, but those protovelos they sold in the Web

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

The problem here is the concept for this bike has bounced around a lot since the original Mystery Bikes were produced, and I'm not convinced the Protovelos were much more than design exercises. The only thing they nailed down was a head badge. On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 8:28:33 AM UTC-7,

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Exactly ! Proto means prototype , which explains itself . Riv selling a proto-type frame means nothing as to whether or not that particular frame is what is to come . On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 12:14:00 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > > The problem here is the concept for this

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

com> Sent: Oct 13, 2015 8:28 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> Subject: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 8:50:39 AM UTC-6, Braxton Colagross wrote:Yes, the thing everyone seems to be missing outside "Hillborne with g

Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

+1 The Appaloosa head badge is fantastic! On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: > The problem here is the concept for this bike has bounced around a lot > since the original Mystery Bikes were produced, and I'm not convinced the > Protovelos were much more

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

Yeah, at riv hq it was described as "like the hillborne but with more clearances". Could've changed since then, I guess, but the holding off on hillbornes and introducing the Appaloosa makes me think it's meant to fit in between sams and antlanti -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

I missed this bike/frame. Anyone have a photo? On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 11:46:30 AM UTC-5, Matt R wrote: > > Hello all, > > Just wondering if anyone has insider knowledge about the Joe Appaloosa > geometry? The last Riv email described it as a cross between a Hunq and > Atlantis, which