I agree and if just one person on this RBW thread has a success story
to tell because of it, we all have cause to celebrate.
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Bill Gibson wrote:
> I think the version of low-carb diet that is Paleo is "Rivendell related"
> during this season when so many cyclists ha
You are correct.
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On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Patrick in VT wrote:
> On Jan 6, 8:12 pm, Rene Sterental wrote:
>
>> The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just
>> like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave th
Jim -- thanks for your work in maintaining this list, and for your
flexibility. No more from *me* on food -- for a while.
Patrick Moore, who just grunted and groaned his heavy '73 Gr Record
Motobecane grocery bike up a 3 mile climb, back down again, and up
another 1 mile climb, in a single, 67" fi
Sorry admin hat, I missed your advice to cease and desist: I often write a
little in between other tasks and then hit send. That's email for you.
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Bill Gibson wrote:
> I think the version of low-carb diet that is Paleo is "Rivendell related"
> during this season wh
I think the version of low-carb diet that is Paleo is "Rivendell related"
during this season when so many cyclists have to deal with ride deprivation.
I think the group here can handle the reality that there is no disputing
individual differences, including real medical needs, but have an open mind
on 1/8/11 10:28 AM, Philip Williamson at philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:
> Stayed out of it as long as I could,
Word.
Yep. General "Diet" threads are OT. OT threads within the confines of this
group are, well... "OT".
Of course, GP keeps mucking up the waters by posting about it and bring
I have good friends who have lost a ton of weight switching to a Paleo
diet... or switching to a Vegan diet. Both of those groups of eaters
seem to get underweight, in my opinion.
I agree with Patrick (and Patrick) that the real culprit is over-
processed industrialized food. Any diet (with a smal
2011 at 9:33 AM, Bruce wrote:
> We need to change the topic of this thread.
>
> What do you think, Helmets, yes or no?
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We need to change the topic of
We need to change the topic of this thread.
What do you think, Helmets, yes or no?
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On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> I know this to
Whereabouts in VT?
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Patrick in VT wrote:
> On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>> I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined
>> carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd: tell it
>> to the Chinese, Indians, Native
On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined
> carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd: tell it
> to the Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Italians and other groups
> whose principal source of food is grains
Look up the biography of Alexandra David Neal, who practised "tumo"
the Tibetan art of self-generating enough heat to survive without warm
clothing in Himalayan winters.
The Inuit ate largely meat and fish; the Masai, traditionally, milk
and blood; the Japanese largely polished rice with a little
Double that AMEN! You were brought up right. I can't get away with
that on a long ride-I'll just end up seeing the food again later.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Montclair BobbyB
wrote:
> AMEN, BROTHER, I'm with you... Because life is too short to not enjoy
> food!!! (or drink sh**y beer, o
Vilhjalmur Stefansson, the arctic explorer, pioneered and tested a
high meat, high fish, low carb diet, based on what he learned from the
Inuit. In 1930 he published a study in the Journal of the American
Medical Association describing how he and a colleague lived on a diet
of only meat for one ye
Bravo!
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I know this topic is grossly OT, but the
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Patrick in VT wrote:
Patrick made one other good observation:
> the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which,
> for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship
> with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook,
I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined
carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd: tell it
to the Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Italians and other groups
whose principal source of food is grains of some sort or another. The
Japanese have very l
AMEN, BROTHER, I'm with you... Because life is too short to not enjoy
food!!! (or drink sh**y beer, or drink bad coffee, or ride lousy
bikes... yaddy yadda...)
BB
On Jan 7, 11:59 am, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
> Thanks .. Double cheeseburger, fries and shake at 50 miles thanks.:
> Medium please
>
> S
On Jan 7, 8:51 am, Patrick in VT wrote:
> the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which,
> for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship
> with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a
> *diet* book, for anyone who is serious
Thanks .. Double cheeseburger, fries and shake at 50 miles thanks.:
Medium please
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On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Rene Sterental wrote:
> Well, the discussion had just turned into what to eat during those long
> rides, carbs being the traditional option and now, with Grant's
On Jan 6, 8:12 pm, Rene Sterental wrote:
> The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just
> like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them
> for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories
> for normal function b
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Well, I just finished reading Taube's book on my iPad. I'm traveling
for business and didn't want to wait. I have to say that even though I
was familiar with the concepts, his clear evidence based presentation
of the topic has left an i
Well, the discussion had just turned into what to eat during those long
rides, carbs being the traditional option and now, with Grant's web post
regarding Taube's book that triggered this thread, what would the high
protein/high fat alternative be and whether it would be viable and provide
the requ
Who doesn't plan long rides on Riv bikes? Never heard that one. I plan on
riding 12 to 15 centuries this year as usual.. I didn't read the book, but
I'm lost as to anyone suggesting we wouldn't ride long rides.
Kelly
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I thought doing uber long rides was not healthyunless you do
them at a very moderate pace so as to burn fat stores and not "rocket
fuel" carbohydrates ! Three hours of high intensity aerobic exercise
is plenty in my humble opinion. Long walks across the Savanna or long
rides across the stat
Why? Don't we plan to do long rides on our Riv bikes? I for certainly do, as
I just sold my carbon Specialized Roubaix and now only have Riv bikes aside
from my dual suspension mountain bike that has its place in my life as
well... :-)
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
> I'm so
Anne,
I understand your dilemma. I don't have a good answer for you yet, aside
from speculating that if your metabolism is now in the fat burning mode, you
probably wouldn't deplete your muscle and liver glycogen (carb) reserves
like you do now (and bonk), and therefore, eating foods that provide
I'm sorry, but can we please put an end to this thread? This topic is not
Riv-related--if I want to read about pseudoscientific dietary theories I have
many choices elsewhere.
—Eric Norris
On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Rene Sterental wrote:
> Anne,
>
> The short answer is that carbs create a
H, bacon...
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Rene Sterental
> wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing as just one drink for alcoholics and there isn't
> such
> > a thing as just one bite of something sugary or with flour for a
> > carbohydrat
well, there are issues with both approaches, as blanket rules.
we should be avoiding some fats (saturated animal fats, especially omega-6s)
and some carbs (simple sugars and grain-based) but enjoying other fats
(vegetable oils, unsaturated animal/fish fats, especially omega-3s) and other
carbs
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Rene Sterental wrote:
> There is no such thing as just one drink for alcoholics and there isn't such
> a thing as just one bite of something sugary or with flour for a
> carbohydrate addict either.
OK, so then let's say I'm doing a brevet following this diet plan.
Anne,
The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just
like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them
for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories
for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, et
Why does "Carbohydrates are delicious but you should avoid them"
differ in diet success from "Fats are delicious but you should avoid
them"? How is it easier to avoid delicious carbohydrates than
delicious fats?
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Rene Sterental wrote:
> Well, I just finished reading
Well, I just finished reading Taube's book on my iPad. I'm traveling
for business and didn't want to wait. I have to say that even though I
was familiar with the concepts, his clear evidence based presentation
of the topic has left an indelible impression.
No more second guessing or partially tryi
, January 6, 2011 1:37:04 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Friends:
I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work
ok for me, but for one significant problem:
How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen?
Here is my query to the group:
I cannot figure
mcorndogs
On Jan 6, 1:27 pm, Mike wrote:
> Food of the Gods!
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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/3421742305/
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if you are doing long workouts you should have some carbs.. low carb diets work
because they keep the glycogen reserves in the liver/muscles fairly low, and
that kicks the body over into a ketone pathway (gluconeogenesis) metabolism
from a glycogen pathway (glycogenolysis) metabolism.
so you c
In the P.D.F.A. book there is a formula, based on the duration of the
event, to calculate your approx carb intake.
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:37 PM, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
> Friends:
>
> I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work
> ok for me, but for one significant proble
Friends:
I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work
ok for me, but for one significant problem:
How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen?
Here is my query to the group:
I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than
3 ho
Same for me.. I'm 6'6" but after getting married and kids, working all
the time, I went up to 260. A lot for my frame, where as 215 was too
low. I was at the gym, doing weights, machines, 180 crunches of
various types, riding a lot and nothing until I started cutting out a
lot of sugar and carbs
The Primal Blueprint world came into my life the middle of last year.
Every once in a while the stars and planets align and what was
impossible becomes unavoidable. Bike commuting became an inter-modal
bike commute (now including hilly San Francisco), became bike travel
for anything < 10 miles. Add
There were two books that changed my eating and lifestyle... Blue
Zones and the Skinny B*tch Diet. I have been meat-less ( (fish once a
week) for almost 3 years and have never felt better. I also cut way
back on fruit juices and beer ( boohoo) which dropped my blood
pressure down to perfect. I a
There's just so much mis-information about food out there. It'll make
your head spin.
Over the course of this summer I gradually changed from eating lots of
grains, vegetables, beans, fresh juices, eggs and occasionally chicken
and beef .. to one of mostly fruit, dark green leafy lettuces
"When men of science find out something more/
We shall be happier than we were before."
I still think common sense and moderate education is the best criterion.
Headline on recent BBC ("Lite") website: "Neanderthals Cooked Vegetables."
Patrick "going to give up my home made bread when they pry i
"Anthropologists have assumed that early humans supplemented their
meaty, protein-heavy diet with nutrients from plants. Plant starches
are energy-rich carbohydrates, but aren't exactly "ready-to-eat." The
latest discovery confirms that humans as far back as 30,000 years had
figured out how to "p
FWIW and YMMV etc., I have "The Paleo Diet for Athletes" to be very
helpful. It is, in some ways, the best of both worlds. They explain
how you can use gels, drinks, etc., during exercise, while sticking to
a low-carb regimen when not exercising. Worth a look.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, gr
Totally into the health/diet stuff in a very outsider-looking-in-super
amateur way. I have to disagree with the idea that it ISNT simple
math; burn more than you take in to lose weight. I think the issue is
how to you burn more than you eat. It is very difficult to starve
yourself and eventually yo
on 1/2/11 10:30 AM, doug peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
> RE: Colnago - yea, looks like it got garaged or run over or something
> severe. This was not a JRA failure.
Boy. 8.60 Euros don't buy too much no more.
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On Sun, J
Dave's not here...
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Michael_S wrote:
> but David, it's not the during calories, it's the after calories ...
> Duude.
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Jan 2, 5:25 pm, cyclotourist wrote:
> > As of yesterday, possession of < 1oz is now an infraction.
> >
> > http://www.canorml.org
but David, it's not the during calories, it's the after calories ...
Duude.
~Mike~
On Jan 2, 5:25 pm, cyclotourist wrote:
> As of yesterday, possession of < 1oz is now an infraction.
>
> http://www.canorml.org/camjlaws.html
>
> Just sayin'.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:27 PM, PATRICK MOO
As of yesterday, possession of < 1oz is now an infraction.
http://www.canorml.org/camjlaws.html
Just sayin'.
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Pot (smoked) has even fewer calories.
>
> This from Patrick Moore, who hasn't smoked pot since summer, 1975 (and
> prefers bourbon
No way am I giving up the Sin Dawg. Never.
http://www.daveskillerbread.com/sindawg.shtml
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Pot (smoked) has even fewer calories.
This from Patrick Moore, who hasn't smoked pot since summer, 1975 (and
prefers bourbon, too).
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:13 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
> FWIW, inspired by this conversation, I'm drinking Bourbon rather than beer
> today.
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> I agree that too difficult a regimen is tough to maintain...that's
. It's free and
has some good analytic tools as well as discussion forums.
http://forum.lowcarber.org/index.php?s=7f464b891a6ff68aa43277eef143c8e9&;
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Michael_S wrote:
> Interesting article though I am not a proponent of the Primal diet I
> may just get the book.
I watched an interview with Taubes, the author of the book Grant is
recommending. I found it infuriated. Taubes says that standard
restricted-calorie an
I agree that too difficult a regimen is tough to maintain...that's why
I always keep a good supply of good dark chocolate in reserve!
and anytime you want to send chocolate hazelnut tortes my way I''ll
send my address pronto ( I'll eat it in moderation of course)
~Mike~
On Jan 1, 5:36 pm, grrlyr
I'm a fan of Gary Taubes since he came out with, "What if fat was a
big fat lie?" During the low carb 00's. But as a person in the
culinary industry, most of these diet books are unsustainable for most
people. Sure lots of processed sugar and wheat based carbs will cause
you to gain weight. But cut
Diet's a bit like luggage loading - you have to try stuff until you
find the one that works for you. I disagree with Grant's notion that
calories in / calories out is incorrect. From my observations, the
problem is people who take that approach typically go to extremes and
have unrealistic expect
I really enjoy Grant's writing.
I'm going to check out the book, think I'll hold off and get it from
Riv.
The thing that struck me about the Colnago is regardless of the cause,
that carbon/plastic seems to be brittle.
Not sure if that's a correct conclusion but the example looks like
brok
I'll bet a nickel that Colnago was the result of the growing
phenomenon, drive-in-the-garage-with-blingy-road-bike-on-top... This
happened to a close friend... with similar results... he's more broken
than his C50 frame...
On Jan 1, 9:25 pm, Michael_S wrote:
> Interesting article though I am not
Interesting article though I am not a proponent of the Primal diet I
may just get the book. I was able to lean out at age 50+ by
switching to a Mediterranean diet.. no meat/chicken/pork just
vegetables/
beans/whole grains and some fish/eggs/cheese and plenty of red
wine too.
I may have to bi
Not exactly Primal, but I leaned out on Atkins and have stayed that way for 1
1/2 yrs now. It shares some of the Primal approach.
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Subject: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Interesting
Interesting article though I am not a proponent of the Primal diet I
may just get the book. I was able to lean out at a age 50+ by
switching to a Mediteraian diet.. no meat/chicken/pork just vegtebles/
beans/whole grains and some fish/eggs/cheese.
I
On Jan 1, 5:08 pm, Dave Minyard wrote:
> I ju
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