My understanding is that this is essentially a Susie but with a straight
top tube and some customization. I've heard the "they will sell a ton of
them" before--for instance, with the Legolas. If people are pining for
almost level top tubes and don't like longer stays, there are lots of
I'll take it further and add that possibly following the Gus/Susie model of
two versions for heavier/lighter folks might be a winner.
Look at how fast old Hunqapillars usually sell on the used market.
>From comments here and on social media, it's clear that many people are
turned off by
If they made it available in enough sizes with minimal or no substitutions as a
special order, it might keep their semi-custom queue filled.
Not trying to micro manage their affairs but it does seem to fill a niche not
currently offered.
Ray
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Yes. Keep everything the same and make it a production bike.
On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 5:08:20 PM UTC-7, Ray Varella wrote:
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> Judging from the reactions to this bike, Rivendell could likely sell a
> bunch of them.
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Judging from the reactions to this bike, Rivendell could likely sell a bunch of
them.
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Michael this looks good!
I would love a lighter tubed Hunqapillar that is slightly bigger than the
48cm I used to have!
That is also my favorite Riv color, aside from the bronze-green of their
older Cheviots.
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 9:32:24 PM UTC-4, Michael / SF wrote:
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> Getting
Might be my favorite Riv color scheme.
Bullmoose plus thunder burts plus a wide range cassette looks like a very fun
combo.
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Very cool!
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 6:32:24 PM UTC-7, Michael / SF wrote:
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> Getting everything dialed in. Soon I'll finish up with a front rack,
> basket, and dynamo lighting. It is "really, *really* - *really* - good"
> so far!
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> On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at
Oh my, that looks great! Exactly how I'd set it up. (Actually emailed Will
about it, but PBH didn't match.) Enjoy!!
- Max "two bikes on loan, so there's a free hook, which is dangerous" in A2
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 9:32:24 PM UTC-4, Michael / SF wrote:
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> Getting everything dialed in.
That is awesome. My new favorite Rivendell!
Congrats!!
On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 8:32:24 PM UTC-5, Michael / SF wrote:
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> Getting everything dialed in. Soon I'll finish up with a front rack,
> basket, and dynamo lighting. It is "really, *really* - *really* - good"
> so far!
>
> Michael
>
I really hope some version of the hunq makes a comeback. I feel like I've
always been one riv generation too late . . . or perhaps they've just
always been ahead of the curve. likely a bit of both :)
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My best fitting bike is a 56 cm 650b Hunqapillar and I have long wondered what
it would ride like if it was made of lighter tubing. I have very seriously
considered getting a lighter fork made while maintaining the original geometry.
I actually have a spare Hunqapillar fork and I would only
Sweet. Thanks for the great back story. Congratulations and good deal!
On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 8:19:49 PM UTC-5, Michael / SF wrote:
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> Buyer checking in! Yes, the plan is to add more chips to the frame but
> ultimately cake it all in dirt. Will is a friend, and I told him I’ll think
>
The backdrop is awesome too! Statue of liberty 45 adapter?
Blew out my residential speakers earlier this year. Luckily have a decent setup
in the barn, but I miss the vinyl. A few more months...
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I started this damn thread .. and could not be more jealous (!).
Fit wise: I'd want to be able to switch between drops and say, bull moose
(and yet, still hope the BB wasn't too high) but hey, that's why the call
it "custom" isn't it?
On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 8:19:49 PM UTC-5, Michael /
Excellent news! Thanks for the great write up.
It looks like a beautiful bike. It reminds me of the early Riv mountain bikes.
As the Bring A Trailer crowd says: “stance.”
You and Vaughn will have twin bikes pretty soon. That would be something to
see.
Philip
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I'm glad it worked out so well for you Michael! Many happy and awesome
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> Buyer checking in! Yes, the plan is to add more chips to the frame but
> ultimately cake it all in dirt. Will is a friend, and I told him
I tried to refrain from posting about this but I have to. A custom anything is
a tremendous amount of work no matter what it is, and in my experience none of
the parties involved except the material supplier is charging what they should
to properly compensate themselves. Customers forget how
Amen to that
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 3:08:40 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> I hope the buyer rode it in the dirt and put a couple more scratches on it
> and thinks we're a bunch of idiots who need to get off the internet!
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I hope the buyer rode it in the dirt and put a couple more scratches on it and
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I hope the buyer is a list member and shows us their build. It looks like
it will be a really special bike. If the buyer is a list member and saw a
number of people proclaim why they would not have paid $3300 for this
particular frameset, then I hope that buyer still feels satisfaction in
I kinda hope the buyer is not a list member, now that we've gotten our opinions
off our chest.
If he or she is, please share when you get your new bike built up, it's a
special one. In any case, it's already legendary...
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I like your multiple choices, Bill. Thanks for laying things out in your
distinctive rhetorical style!
I feel like there is merit in all besides B. I know Nobilette builds a
variety of frames, including as the go-to builder for Jan's RH superbikes.
Obviously there is journeyman skillset there
I have purchased 2 frames from Rivendell. An AHH in 2011 and a Legolas in
2019. I asked for and paid for the AHH to be a custom color, Green. It
came back from the painters Grilver. (Gray & silver mix).
Riv. offered to repaint the frame or give me a discount on the *original
*frame
price,
I agree that $4k is a bargain for a custom bike, especially if your intended
use includes commuting/utility cycling. Good luck owning and operating a car
for that price.
The reason my next bike won’t be a Riv is a variation of your option E - I’m
interested in heretical technologies. I’d like
Kieran
You didn't state an opinion about Rivendell's custom prices. You only
stated that $3300 is a high price for a rejected custom. I agree with that
opinion wholeheartedly. In my opinion, at least half of the value of a
custom is that it is custom. The freedom to make something that
In hindsight, my comments sound judge-y and insensitive. That was not my
intent; I don't know anything about the original buyer of this custom so I
shouldn't go there.
My opinion of Riv's custom prices remains the same though.
KJ
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-8, Mark Roland
Bill, I will challenge a few points you've made.
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> If that hypothetical BB shell was already on hand, then the lugged
> assembly work would be cheaper. Maybe not a whole lot cheaper, but not
> more expensive.
>
Why
I think it's wonderful that a Riv shop employee should be able to afford a
custom. In fact, I think that it ought to be part of the compensation
package, for employees who perform well until their 5-year anniversary.
On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 3:06 PM Mark Roland wrote:
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> *"There's something
Vaughn isn't a Riv shop person. Hadn't been for many years.
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*"There's something perversely decadent about a Riv shop person being able
to afford something like this" *
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> 2. I'm not sure where employee pricing crept into this discussion.
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Two points without digging through all this again:
1. Although I personally never said otherwise, I still want to add that - as a
customer myself - I don't think Riv customs are overpriced. They're designed by
a guy who's been doing this a long time, built by a trusted builder who's
brazed a
Mark,
Here, here! I couldn't agree with you more. As a fairly long time RBW
customer, I have always found them to bend over backwards to meet whatever
needs I have. I highly value them and am grateful every day and every ride
that Grant created this business, these bikes, and this community
Snipped from Mark's response: "Maybe a Rivendell employee can afford a Riv
because they get a company discount, and because the company pays a living
wage."
This is a really great point, and maybe exposes certain unconscious bias, even
among us enthusiats. I'm guessing a fair few Riv workers
Whoops. Meant to add, the reason for the bottom bracket being fillet-brazed
is right in the product description.
*"More unusually, the down tube is 28.6mm. That’s skinnier than normal, but
we had lugs for it. But no BB shell, so the BB area is fillet-brazed."*
I wouldn't think, with a custom,
I had the same reaction as Hugh and John to this thread.
I understand this point of view:
*What other company of their size gets such sincere and direct feedback and
with little to no expense for re-engagement?*
But the tone of this thread was, to me, more like non-constructive,
non-helpful
Once Rivendell sent me a 700c frame with a 26" fork in it. Could that
mistake happen anywhere? Yeah, probably. I called them, a person picked up
the phone, I got a mortified apology, had a nice conversation, and they
express-shipped me the right fork. Does that happen everywhere? No. It's
nice
For what it's worth, Hugh, I think I'm on the same page with you. Somebody
ordered a custom and a frame was built *almost* to spec, and the buyer
elected not to take that frame. The seller elected to have another frame
made and offered up the reject at a discount, which somebody bought.
Is
Ok, fair enough, but I don't recall shushing anyone or implying one needs
to pass a Riv loyalty test. I simply find the tone of outrage and insult
over a frame being sold at cost a bit odd. I'm guessing the the builder and
painter got paid. It's a custom. They don't come at scale prices.
If I
To @John Bennett's point, riv is transparent, but so are we. What other
company of their size gets such sincere and direct feedback and with little to
no expense for re-engagement?
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To @John Bennett's point, riv is transparent, but so are we. What other
company gets such honest and direct feedback and with little to know expense
for re-engagement?
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Exactly. I'm not a 100% "it's always all good" fan, but I've spent a
breathtaking amount of money at that place, ride an electrified Clem L right
now, and have a custom awaiting paint at Joe Bell. I'm all in!
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I think anything that was stated comes from a place of caring and displays a
passion for a brand and subsequent community that is unprecedented.
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Yes, there's exactly more to it as has generated discussion. The attitude that
we have to shush and never be critical of anything is not helpful or healthy.
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The pearl clutching is a bit much. I'm going to assume this is just
mid-winter cabin fever settling in.
Someone has offered a bike for sale.
If you want it, buy it (someone has) If you don't, don't. Is there any more
to it?
Hugh "really glad it was too small for me, cause I thought it was a
Or course now I still want a Fitz. After that whole story about not being into
taking all the measurements and lots of talking on the phone (or in person,
it's 30 miles from me) and blah blah blah. It's only money, right?
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Since fitz was mentioned, I’ll throw in a very high recommendationdatuon.
I think riv could’ve basically just offered this as a custom that someone
didn’t want. They told us a bunch of info that we actually didn’t need, and now
we are judging it. Paint blemish, yes, but bottle mounts and weird
I don't think it's necessary to chew people out for reacting to chipped paint.
It's a lot of money and I personally would have had a hard time paying it in
that condition because it's in such a noticeable spot. Which doesn't matter
because some folks aren't as OCD as as I am and one of those
OMG THEY CHIPPED THE PAINT!!! How could they do that?? To a bike that costs
that much?! Talk about fiscal irresponsibility. But let's not talk about
the fact that a frame builder got paid to make a frame, and a painter to
paint it, and the buyer is getting the bike that they wanted, and someone
@Dave Small I do not know for sure but I feel like I read it somewhere.
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Dave,
This may not provide a definitive answer to your question regarding filet
brazed BB vs TIG welded, but here's the RBW website's description of MIT
Atlantis construction:
"Underneath, the investment-cast Rivendell lugs and custom drawn Silver
tubes are the same. All frames are brazed
Hi Conway,
I thought the MIT Atlantis had a TIG'd bottom bracket. Are you sure it's
filet-brazed? If yes, was the first batch TIG'd and the new batch
filet-brazed? I was told by an owner of one from the first batch that it
was TIG'd, which is the main reason I didn't buy one.
Dave
Those are all good reasons to go with a Riv custom, Joe. Your last
sentence says it all: "I want it, I want that Riv ride and I have the
money." I don't doubt you'll get a great bike for that money!
Dave
Boston/Indy
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:18:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> "I
Rivendell is honest about everything that they do, even when they flub up.
That leaves them open to criticism, but it beats the alternative by a mile.
Other companies screw up, too, but they're more likely to keep mum about
it, or spin it to cover a mistake:
"We just scored a batch of NOS
I will disagree slightly with Steve, but only slightly. Imagine Builder X
had access to a lugged BB shell that was perfect for all the tubes coming
in. All the angles and clearances were perfect. With that hypothetical BB
shell on hand, then functionally, fillet brazing and lugged would be
"Making" a lug that is not cast from a mold involves a lot of work and
secondary pieces cut and mitered then welded together, probably more work
than fillet brazing.
The Gus and Susie MiT Hillibikes use mostly fillet brazed major tubes
except for the fork crown.
David Lipsky
Berkeley
On
When I ordered my first custom in late 1994, I told Grant that I wanted a
road bike somewhat like my 1992 XO-1, 'but better." He said, "Oh, it'll be
better." That Waterford-built 26" wheel road bike was indeed better, but
the 1999 and the almost identical 2003 were far better yet. No measurements
Usually they're used because the "lugged" ones don't allow you to angle
the chain stays enough to provide the clearance to make room for really
wide tires. I'd call that "functionally better".
On 2/28/20 1:11 PM, Conway Bennett wrote:
The new Atlantis and Crust Nor'easter both are lugged
The fillet brazed bottom bracket was a $220 additional cost on my custom
(the "swanky" orange one from the previous mailer). It was the best way to
build the frame because they didn't have a bottom bracket lug that exactly
fit the application. My custom didn't even get the custom lugs because
Fillet-brazed joints.
Yes, my custom has a fillet BB, too. I don't know if it's to accommodate the
angles or they just ran out of BB lugs, but I think it's cool so I don't care.
Yes, they will build a complete fillet bike..there was one on the Blahg a while
back built that way, then half faux
"I do see one advantage of ordering from Riv, and that's Grant's input and
oversight. That makes it more likely to ride like a Riv---there's some
insurance there---but it's expensive insurance. Obviously not everyone will
agree with me, 'cause they do sell some customs."
I'm a very specific
The new Atlantis and Crust Nor'easter both are lugged with a filet brazed
bottom bracket. I assume it reduces the cost but is it functionally better,
worse, or the same as a lugged bb shell?
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I was puzzled by the filet-brazed bottom bracket area. If one orders a
custom, I assumed Riv would make 3 custom lugs for the custom order.
What does Riv normally do for custom bike orders?
Does Riv offer custom bikes entirely filet-brazed? Would it cost less or
more?
John
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Hi John. The imperfections were the paint chip and a couple of design
details, IIRC.
Yep, it's a healthy discount off the going rate but I think the going rate
is high and I've thought that for years. I love Riv and have bought more
than a few frames, a complete bike, and a lot of parts
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That's a lotta chedda for someone else's blemished custom frame. There's
something perversely decadent about a Riv shop person being able to afford
something like this (in addition to several other Rivs) and then Riv
starting again from scratch to fix a couple minor issues. Only in Rivland I
I know this is contrarian to group sentiment, but yes, how do you botch a
custom? And it goes part and parcel with them periodically finding NOS bikes
and parts in storage. I currently own three Rivs, have sold two, bought even
more than the sum of the frames in parts from them, and have
Does it strike anyone as odd that they botched two fairly minor but
important details on a custom frame job? and put a chip in the paint? i
guess that's the Riv way ;-) and yeah, looks like it's sold. that's a
relief i'm sure.
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 5:31:38 PM UTC-5, jeffrey kane
If I were ordering a custom from Rivendell, it would be very much like that
bike.
Ray
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nd ... it appears to be sold!
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:38:05 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
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> What are the imperfections, aside from the paint chip? I don’t think it’s
> high at all. It’s 700 less than the going rate.
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What are the imperfections, aside from the paint chip? I don’t think it’s high
at all. It’s 700 less than the going rate.
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Am I the only one who saw this and thought that $3300 seems high for it,
given the imperfections?
Dave
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I saw this in my email and it looks so good. Almost like an old school hunq
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 5:31:38 PM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote:
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> omg - my size ... everything screams *RIGHT* about it. And I mean,
> *everything* ... well, except for the $3300.00 part (to my wallet, I
>
That is nice, and my size too, and 6 1/2 lb is indeed light for a Rivendell
off road bike. I'd ride it (with drop bar) tho' I prefer 700C fatties, TCO
be damned.
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Thanks Jeffery
I’m sure it will get snapped up quickly.
Glad it’s not my size.
Cheers,
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Nice, but it needs a touch-up from Rick Stefani for that kind of money. That
"no big deal" scratch is in a very visible spot.
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Here's the link:
https://www.rivbike.com/products/flyweight-hillibike-custom-54-8cm?_sid=b14ca0d6e&_ss=r&_pos=2&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJqZWZmcmV5LmthbmVAbWFjLmNvbSIsICJrbF9jb21wYW55X2lkIjogIkxWYjZhQyJ9
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 5:44:18 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote:
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> What size is it?
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