Re: [RBW] Re: Why I like you guys part deuce
Yah, just to toss in an Upper Left Coast voice, Sunday's Seattle ride with RBW-listers in person was just superb. Kind of amazing to come across a bunch of people all of whom you sincerely want to get to know better, whose interests outside of cycling are varied, broad and intriguing as well. For those who haven't done it, I recommend attending these events, if they happen anywhere near you. Rob in Seattle On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Michael_S wrote: I was looking at a few other online forums this weekend and noticed (again) what a civilized, positive atmosphere exist on this site. Just wanted to thank everyone here for their non-judgmental and open minded views. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 62cm Quickbeam - not mine (sorta')
I mentioned this in passing on another thread, but wanted to put it out there for anyone who missed it. My friend Arlo lives up in PDX and he has my old Quickbeam. He rides it pretty much all over town, and has got into SS CX racing with it. It's just not the right bike for that, so he wants to sell it and pick up last year's Kona Major One. He's had a crash on it, which tweaked the stem and bars, maybe the frame. Nothing bad, just truth in advertising. One of those D'oh! moments. So if you're looking for a beautiful green QB from the original run, drop him a line! His email: arlovarri (at) hotmail (dot) com -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 650b QB geometry?
Anyone know offhand where one might find the geometry specs for the smaller, 650b wheeled Quickbeams? (50 and 52 cm) The QB chart stops at 54cm, which was the smallest they made 'til the last batch... Thanks, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Yes, most manufacturers either have what's called garment measurements, or they will measure them for you. Garment measurements are the actual measurements of a piece of clothing, as opposed to generic here's a size large or a size 34. I take those generic measurement to mean little more than a staring point. Garment measurements typically include inseam, outseam(top of the waist to the bottom of the hem along the hip seam), front rise, back rise, waist and hem opening. Some go in further detail, but these are typical. I call retailers and manufacturers all the time asking for these measurements, because I live in retail dead zone, so I rely on mail order. Often the first person you talk to will spout out general sizing, just be persistent and you'll eventually get to a person that knows what you want. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Visit to Rivendell
Sounds like a good trip. I innocently visted Rivendell a few months ago while on vacation. Next thing I know, I ordered a Hunqapillar! Oops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Why I like you guys part deuce
I'm an engineer and I love bicycles and riding...so some time ago I joined a bicycle technical forum. It was one of the most negative groups/discussion I have ever come across. I left the group within a few days...I didn't enjoy it at all, not the type of behavior I want to be associated with. I cycle to improve the quality of my life...being happy, healthy and challenged...thanks to the Rivendell Owners Bunch for being part of that. Angus On Oct 12, 11:48 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: you read the diatribe on planing on IBOB forum... downright nasty. ~Mike~ On Oct 12, 2:40 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I've seen Riv-oriented people get fighting mad over the phrase carbon fiber. We all have our prejudices. Yeah, but this group never gets to the level of the Road Bike Review Forums. Folks over there can be down right mean. I feel it's never that way here. --mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Visit to Rivendell
Yeah, each visitor should be presented with appropriate warnings and disclaimers... Rivendell Bicycle Works is not responsible for your inability to control your emotional response to these bicycles, nor are we responsible for any subsequent actions you might undertake to obtain funding to satisfy your uncontrollable urges to own one of these fine bicycles... THAT would be the responsible thing to do On Oct 13, 9:19 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a good trip. I innocently visted Rivendell a few months ago while on vacation. Next thing I know, I ordered a Hunqapillar! Oops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Which brakes for simpleone?
I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was a possiblity Simpleones might be produced for the extra long reach sidepulls instead of cantilievers. I've googled and gooogled and can't find anything to support this. Did I imagine/ dream it? Anyway I think it would be a good direction to go, or at least a good option. I'd really like one of these frames. Either canti or sidepull, but I'd opt for sidepull if available. What do ya'll think? C Canter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Why I like you guys part deuce
I don't go to the iBob forum anymore. I know there's some crossover with this forum but that group is just a little off and not very welcoming. I like the Randon group well enough although there are some folks there that bring out the troll in me. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Visit to Rivendell
I was going to say have been thinking about a day trip down from Reno, if nothing else an excuse to get lose as it were. But not sure my finances can handle the very possible Acquisition Syndrome I may be soon after inflected withDoes sound like fun thou!! kwhiner On Oct 13, 7:30 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, each visitor should be presented with appropriate warnings and disclaimers... Rivendell Bicycle Works is not responsible for your inability to control your emotional response to these bicycles, nor are we responsible for any subsequent actions you might undertake to obtain funding to satisfy your uncontrollable urges to own one of these fine bicycles... THAT would be the responsible thing to do On Oct 13, 9:19 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a good trip. I innocently visted Rivendell a few months ago while on vacation. Next thing I know, I ordered a Hunqapillar! Oops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which brakes for simpleone?
Oh I wish you were right. On Oct 13, 10:33 am, ccanter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote: I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was a possiblity Simpleones might be produced for the extra long reach sidepulls instead of cantilievers. I've googled and gooogled and can't find anything to support this. Did I imagine/ dream it? Anyway I think it would be a good direction to go, or at least a good option. I'd really like one of these frames. Either canti or sidepull, but I'd opt for sidepull if available. What do ya'll think? C Canter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why I like you guys part deuce
I think the stregnth of this group lies in everyone's tacit agreement to be positive and focused on a shared belief that each person's opinion is valid. It certainly isn't that we all agree on everything, but rather we can differ in opinion while remembering that there's another person out there, who loves to ride as much as we do, reading the words we write. Thanks for keeping things focused and respectful. - Jim / list admin -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Why I like you guys part deuce
I love the tone of this group. Here are some reasons I think it's
fairly civil.
Historical traditions. The silverbacks are graduates of the iBOB list,
which used to be relatively polite. Haven't read it in a while, but
when I did, it was the calm end of the pool. The original Riv-backed
list was shut down when Grant deemed the discourse too uncivil, and I
think Jim shut this list down for a couple weeks one February when
everyone got itchy and mean.
We're relatively homogeneous. We get along because we share the same
bike values. Those with dissenting opinions don't air them.
We self-censor. I do. I'm a born smartass, but I try to wait out a
thread. If I just can't stand it, I try to be funny but not mean. Both
those things mean different things to different people, so I send a
lot of posts to the trash, instead of the list.
Jim keeps the list very focused.
So yeah, I don't think we're open minded, just polite. Which is more
than fine.
Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com
On Oct 12, 1:13 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
Just wanted to thank everyone here for their non-judgmental and open
minded views.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I've seen Riv-oriented people get fighting mad over the phrase carbon
fiber. We all have our prejudices.
On Oct 12, 1:39 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
I was looking at a few other online forums this weekend and noticed
(again) what a civilized, positive atmosphere exist on this site.
Just wanted to thank everyone here for their non-judgmental and open
minded views.
~Mike~
On Oct 11, 5:43 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
Nice story. Totally dislike that drop mentality. Although as I'm
usually the one dropped, it is a bias. And it's not just roadies.
Was given some serious grief Saturday on some mountain bike trails by
a club ride.
Was a great time last year riding with you folks. Definitely a
highlight of my trip out to San Diego.
Oh, Ride the Divide is well worth seeing. Not just getting the DVD,
but it is fun watching the whole shebang on the big screen. ('Fession
- pre ordered the DVD and saw it at a local screening).
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On Oct 11, 7:19 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Everything I know about riding bikes I learned from Pee Wee Herman.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote:
Great story David. That's exactly why I ride a Riv. the way I do
(slow-
to-moderate-except-on-good-days-when-the-mood-strikes-but-never-at-the-
expense-of-my-riding-buddies). Be nice and ride yer bike. Pretty
simple. Thanks again.
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[RBW] Headlands Ride Report 10.11.10
Morning, all. I was able to wheel out the Quickbeam for a weekend ride for the first time in more than a month. It took me out into the Marin Headlands to explore the wonderful set of trails inscribed there along the southern three ridges. Despite being underpowered and therefore, a bit undergeared, it was a wonderful afternoon. Trails, hills, beaches, and an ocean, with only minimal interruptions by three other cyclists, two runners, and a handful of hikers--all just 10 miles or so from my urban-crushed doorstep. I seem to oscillate between these types of out-back trail rides and longer road rides out into the country. Sometimes it's fun to get into a steady cadence on the road, feel a little speed, and enjoy the breeze in your face. Other times, I just want nothing to do with other bipeds (no offense of course) and head off to the nearest trailhead. Do you all have a preference for one type of riding over another? In any event, I'm just glad I have a bike that lets me do both so enjoyably. Here's the visuals: http://tinyurl.com/2dc6r76 Take care, Lee SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Headlands Ride Report 10.11.10
Sounds fantastic. What tires do you find necessary for adventures like that? What tires would you recommend for someone who's not a great bike handler? What pressure did you run your tires at? I like riding my Atlantis (32 mm Panaracer Paselas) on dirt fire roads, but lately, at the end of the summer, I've been chickening out and walking more, as the fire roads in the South Bay (and presumably in Marin as well) are covered with gravel and dust. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Morning, all. I was able to wheel out the Quickbeam for a weekend ride for the first time in more than a month. It took me out into the Marin Headlands to explore the wonderful set of trails inscribed there along the southern three ridges. Despite being underpowered and therefore, a bit undergeared, it was a wonderful afternoon. Trails, hills, beaches, and an ocean, with only minimal interruptions by three other cyclists, two runners, and a handful of hikers--all just 10 miles or so from my urban-crushed doorstep. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Headlands Ride Report - Now Tam
I had a great Atlantis ride up Railroad Grade on Mt. Tam in Marin County the day after the Rivendell garage sale. I used Marathon Extremes, knobby 40ers. On the say down, Hoo Koo E Koo was good, but then on Blithedale Ridge heading down back toward Mill Valley, I chickened out a few times and walked the bike down the steep stuff. I probably would have done the same on my MB-4 with two inch knobbies, probably would have done the same on a full sus bike. -Jim W. -Original Message- From: Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com Sent: Oct 13, 2010 9:55 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Headlands Ride Report 10.11.10 Sounds fantastic. What tires do you find necessary for adventures like that? What tires would you recommend for someone who's not a great bike handler? What pressure did you run your tires at? I like riding my Atlantis (32 mm Panaracer Paselas) on dirt fire roads, but lately, at the end of the summer, I've been chickening out and walking more, as the fire roads in the South Bay (and presumably in Marin as well) are covered with gravel and dust. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Morning, all. I was able to wheel out the Quickbeam for a weekend ride for the first time in more than a month. It took me out into the Marin Headlands to explore the wonderful set of trails inscribed there along the southern three ridges. Despite being underpowered and therefore, a bit undergeared, it was a wonderful afternoon. Trails, hills, beaches, and an ocean, with only minimal interruptions by three other cyclists, two runners, and a handful of hikers--all just 10 miles or so from my urban-crushed doorstep. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Which brakes for simpleone?
JIm, All good cases for cantis. I was thinking of a fixed gear ride. Front brake only and no unused canti studs. The main thing that's always intrigued me about the QB (and I assume the upcoming Simpleone) is the extra long rear slot. It would really be nice to have a fixed/fixed wheel with 8 teeth difference (I believe that is the claim for the QB's track ends) when I find I've bitten off more than I can chew . There's always getting off to push, but a serious bailout gear would be great. One might have to use a half link to get all the combinations to work, but it's bound to be easier with than with conventional ends/ dropouts. Just thinking. Thanks Clyde On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:56 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: on 10/13/10 7:33 AM, ccanter at clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote: I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was a possiblity Simpleones might be produced for the extra long reach sidepulls instead of cantilievers. I've googled and gooogled and can't find anything to support this. Did I imagine/ dream it? Anyway I think it would be a good direction to go, or at least a good option. I'd really like one of these frames. Either canti or sidepull, but I'd opt for sidepull if available. What do ya'll think? I do recall some musings to that effect. Might have been in one of the pdf updates, but am away from my stash of those right now. As far as sidepull v canti My plusses for Cantilever brakes: Cantis always make rack mounting a bit easier, especially on the front end. Cantis are easier to completely clean without dismounting. Cantis just strike me as a simple, direct system with relatively few parts. Cantis do have more variables in setup, which can allow more specific tuning of response and feel. As I think about this over coffee today, it strikes me that sidepull brakes are as much a closed system as rear derailleurs. Both are the most complicated piece of gear on the bicycle, and one which I'm most least likely to take apart to the last bolt. It's also salient to consider that I've really come back around to centerpull braking. When I was saving for my first 10 speed, centerpulls were dismissed as cheap brakes, and the stuff you really wanted were sidepull. Now - particularly with the stunning work from Paul Components - centerpulls are being shown as viable and in some cases preferable to sidepull. I guess cheap brakes (like the old Schwinn Approved Weinemann) are going to be cheap brakes... And please don't construe my statements above as being _against_ dual pivot sidepulls. The Silvers on the Hilsen work phenomenally well. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Visit to Rivendell
Jim: I have returned home (to NJ)... Had an awesome time in Sonoma County and brought back some of the positive spirit... We've got a Fall evening ride (off-road) planned this Saturday along the Delaware River in PA... to an English pub. We'll be returning in the dark (with lights, of course). I'm sure I'll have to share the Bombadil with my friends... they'll be asking to swap rides... (maybe I will need them to sign a disclaimer... I cannot be responsible for your wanting to sell your minivan and mid-life-crisis Harley for one of these bikesyaddy yadda) Peace, BB On Oct 13, 11:45 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 10/12/10 8:22 PM, Montclair BobbyB at montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I had been looking forward to visiting RBWHQ for many weeks... I arrived in San Francisco after a few days of killer mountain biking in Colorado, and was on my way up to Healdsburg/Santa Rosa to stay with a friend and ride Annadale State Park. We first took a detour through Oakland out to Walnut Creek. We met Keven Mowen in the showroom, and he was a most gracious host. We test rode a few bikes... I rode a beautiful double-tubed Hillborne, a slightly smaller Hilsen, and (one of my favorites) a Betty Foy... (I may just have to get myself a Gomez)... Don't know if you'll be around this weekend, but there's always Biketoberfest in Fairfax this Saturday, which as mentioned will feature a booth staffed by some of the fine folks from Rivendell. And... if you see some guy toodling around on an orange Quickbeam, say hidy. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Which brakes for simpleone?
Just my two cents' worth ... Regarding the long slots on the QB's track ends--in my experience an idea that works somewhat better in theory than in practice. The angling of the slots to match the angle of the brake pads is brilliant, but I've found that significant changes in gearing (for instance, moving from the large to the small chainring) move the wheel enough that the brake pads are off the rim and onto the tire. With *really short* brake pads it might work, but more than a few teeth difference with most brake pads is enough to cause potential problems during braking. (Rule of thumb is that a one-tooth change (e.g., from a 15 to a 16 cog) will move the axle 1/8th of an inch. Moving the chain from the 40 to the 32 chainring will therefore move the rear wheel an inch farther back--imagine where the brake pads would sit if they moved forward an inch and you'll see the problem.) Regarding a half-link--you shouldn't need one. I've only ever used a half-link where I needed to make a fixie work on a frame with vertical dropouts. With the long slots on the QB, there's just no need to fine-tune the chain length. --Eric N On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:20 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote: JIm, All good cases for cantis. I was thinking of a fixed gear ride. Front brake only and no unused canti studs. The main thing that's always intrigued me about the QB (and I assume the upcoming Simpleone) is the extra long rear slot. It would really be nice to have a fixed/fixed wheel with 8 teeth difference (I believe that is the claim for the QB's track ends) when I find I've bitten off more than I can chew . There's always getting off to push, but a serious bailout gear would be great. One might have to use a half link to get all the combinations to work, but it's bound to be easier with than with conventional ends/ dropouts. Just thinking. Thanks Clyde On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:56 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 10/13/10 7:33 AM, ccanter at clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote: I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was a possiblity Simpleones might be produced for the extra long reach sidepulls instead of cantilievers. I've googled and gooogled and can't find anything to support this. Did I imagine/ dream it? Anyway I think it would be a good direction to go, or at least a good option. I'd really like one of these frames. Either canti or sidepull, but I'd opt for sidepull if available. What do ya'll think? I do recall some musings to that effect. Might have been in one of the pdf updates, but am away from my stash of those right now. As far as sidepull v canti My plusses for Cantilever brakes: Cantis always make rack mounting a bit easier, especially on the front end. Cantis are easier to completely clean without dismounting. Cantis just strike me as a simple, direct system with relatively few parts. Cantis do have more variables in setup, which can allow more specific tuning of response and feel. As I think about this over coffee today, it strikes me that sidepull brakes are as much a closed system as rear derailleurs. Both are the most complicated piece of gear on the bicycle, and one which I'm most least likely to take apart to the last bolt. It's also salient to consider that I've really come back around to centerpull braking. When I was saving for my first 10 speed, centerpulls were dismissed as cheap brakes, and the stuff you really wanted were sidepull. Now - particularly with the stunning work from Paul Components - centerpulls are being shown as viable and in some cases preferable to sidepull. I guess cheap brakes (like the old Schwinn Approved Weinemann) are going to be cheap brakes... And please don't construe my statements above as being _against_ dual pivot sidepulls. The Silvers on the Hilsen work phenomenally well. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this
[RBW] Re: Headlands Ride Report 10.11.10
Hi Anne. I'm no great bike handler, but here is what I ride. The Quickbeam is a 650B conversion. So far, I've used the 32mm Nifty Swiftys with the lightly-treaded checkerboard pattern. I had trouble with them in terms of traction on some steep upward pitches. I had them at about 50-55 last time I rode these trails. I've used Col de la Vies on a few different bikes in the Headlands and these worked very well. They measure out to about 35.555etc. mm and have good, deep oval-shaped treads. Normally, I run them at 60-65 psi on my commute. On the trails, I set them to about 55-60. Less would probably help both with traction and to provide float on the deeper, sandy stuff. Speaking of deep, sandy stuff, that is the main issue I have with trail riding. On climbs, I can spin out when I hit such a patch, particularly on the one speed. So, I try to pick a decent line and hunker my butt down on the back edge of the saddle when cranking through it, as recommended to me on my last mixed terrain ride report. On descents, I get a little leary of the slip-and-slide action as I pass through the wash. So again, I try to pick a decent line, dampen my speed some before hitting the patch. Then, let loose the brakes and try to keep my line as straight as possible as I forge my way through the deep stuff. Overall, though, I'm a pretty slow descender on trails. Again, I'm a newb to this type of riding and I'm sure there are a lot of smart techniques out there that folks have developed, if anyone wants to chime in here. My Col de la Vies have given out, so I'm thinking about the new Soma 650B tires, which are ~38mm equivalents of your Paselas (at least superficially). I'm interested in seeing how they do on those trails. Plus, they are a little bit lighter than the Col de la Vies. I know, I know, it's all about the engine. But this engine welcomes any help it can get! Best, Lee On Oct 13, 9:55 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds fantastic. What tires do you find necessary for adventures like that? What tires would you recommend for someone who's not a great bike handler? What pressure did you run your tires at? I like riding my Atlantis (32 mm Panaracer Paselas) on dirt fire roads, but lately, at the end of the summer, I've been chickening out and walking more, as the fire roads in the South Bay (and presumably in Marin as well) are covered with gravel and dust. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Morning, all. I was able to wheel out the Quickbeam for a weekend ride for the first time in more than a month. It took me out into the Marin Headlands to explore the wonderful set of trails inscribed there along the southern three ridges. Despite being underpowered and therefore, a bit undergeared, it was a wonderful afternoon. Trails, hills, beaches, and an ocean, with only minimal interruptions by three other cyclists, two runners, and a handful of hikers--all just 10 miles or so from my urban-crushed doorstep. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Headlands Ride Report 10.11.10
Thanks for the ride report Lee. I really like your set up been thinking of making a bike with the same handlebar/brake combo set up. Hows it ride for you? Any advantage or disadvantages over having drop bars? -Manny On Oct 13, 11:08 am, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anne. I'm no great bike handler, but here is what I ride. The Quickbeam is a 650B conversion. So far, I've used the 32mm Nifty Swiftys with the lightly-treaded checkerboard pattern. I had trouble with them in terms of traction on some steep upward pitches. I had them at about 50-55 last time I rode these trails. I've used Col de la Vies on a few different bikes in the Headlands and these worked very well. They measure out to about 35.555etc. mm and have good, deep oval-shaped treads. Normally, I run them at 60-65 psi on my commute. On the trails, I set them to about 55-60. Less would probably help both with traction and to provide float on the deeper, sandy stuff. Speaking of deep, sandy stuff, that is the main issue I have with trail riding. On climbs, I can spin out when I hit such a patch, particularly on the one speed. So, I try to pick a decent line and hunker my butt down on the back edge of the saddle when cranking through it, as recommended to me on my last mixed terrain ride report. On descents, I get a little leary of the slip-and-slide action as I pass through the wash. So again, I try to pick a decent line, dampen my speed some before hitting the patch. Then, let loose the brakes and try to keep my line as straight as possible as I forge my way through the deep stuff. Overall, though, I'm a pretty slow descender on trails. Again, I'm a newb to this type of riding and I'm sure there are a lot of smart techniques out there that folks have developed, if anyone wants to chime in here. My Col de la Vies have given out, so I'm thinking about the new Soma 650B tires, which are ~38mm equivalents of your Paselas (at least superficially). I'm interested in seeing how they do on those trails. Plus, they are a little bit lighter than the Col de la Vies. I know, I know, it's all about the engine. But this engine welcomes any help it can get! Best, Lee On Oct 13, 9:55 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds fantastic. What tires do you find necessary for adventures like that? What tires would you recommend for someone who's not a great bike handler? What pressure did you run your tires at? I like riding my Atlantis (32 mm Panaracer Paselas) on dirt fire roads, but lately, at the end of the summer, I've been chickening out and walking more, as the fire roads in the South Bay (and presumably in Marin as well) are covered with gravel and dust. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Morning, all. I was able to wheel out the Quickbeam for a weekend ride for the first time in more than a month. It took me out into the Marin Headlands to explore the wonderful set of trails inscribed there along the southern three ridges. Despite being underpowered and therefore, a bit undergeared, it was a wonderful afternoon. Trails, hills, beaches, and an ocean, with only minimal interruptions by three other cyclists, two runners, and a handful of hikers--all just 10 miles or so from my urban-crushed doorstep. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which brakes for simpleone?
Here is the pdf you are looking for about the Simpleone and side-pulls brakes... http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/352/original_aug28knothole.pdf On Oct 13, 9:33 am, ccanter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote: I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was a possiblity Simpleones might be produced for the extra long reach sidepulls instead of cantilievers. I've googled and gooogled and can't find anything to support this. Did I imagine/ dream it? Anyway I think it would be a good direction to go, or at least a good option. I'd really like one of these frames. Either canti or sidepull, but I'd opt for sidepull if available. What do ya'll think? C Canter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which brakes for simpleone?
Thanks. Thought I'd had another senior moment there for a bit. I hope they stick with the sidepull/ centerpull scenario. It would have to be less costly not having to braze on the posts for the cantis. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Rocky B rivvyr...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the pdf you are looking for about the Simpleone and side-pulls brakes... http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/352/original_aug28knothole.pdf On Oct 13, 9:33 am, ccanter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote: I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was a possiblity Simpleones might be produced for the extra long reach sidepulls instead of cantilievers. I've googled and gooogled and can't find anything to support this. Did I imagine/ dream it? Anyway I think it would be a good direction to go, or at least a good option. I'd really like one of these frames. Either canti or sidepull, but I'd opt for sidepull if available. What do ya'll think? C Canter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Riv-ish 58cm Surly Pacer Club Racer Build
can't help thinking theres some good gear there for the AHH build. Maybe a part out is the economical answer - but will take time Good luck either way -it looks nice On Oct 13, 4:50 am, Dlbracey dlbra...@gmail.com wrote: I need to sell my Surly Pacer build to fund the build for the new AHH build. Not sure if this is appropriate for posting here, but I figured I'd throw it up before heading to the 'bay or parting it out. I have it posted on NYC Craigslist right now as well. All parts are either new or in almost new condition, I rode the build about 100 miles. $1400 obo. Please send me an email off list if interested. Photos are here: http://imgur.com/a/3Nu5X/surly_pacer Here are the details: 58 cm Light Blue Surly Pacer (decals removed) Drivetrain Front Derailleur Shimano Ultegra FD-6500 Rear derailleur Shimano Ultegra RD-6500 Crankset Shimano Ultegra FC-6500, 175 mm, 53/39 Bottom Bracket Shimano BB-6500 68 x 109.5 Cassette Shimano Ultegra 9 Speed 12/27 Chain Shimano HG-73 Components Headset VO Grand Cru 1 1/8 Spacers VO Silver Stem VO Stem, 6 Degree, 26mm, 80mm Handlebar Nitto Noodle 177 44 cm Handlebar wrap Brooks Leather - Honey Brake Levers Cane Creek SCR-5G Shift levers Dia Compe Silver Bar-End Shifters Downtube Stop Brakes Shimano 105 - BR-5501 Cables VO Metallic Braided Seatpost Kalloy silver 250mm Seatpost Clamp Salsa Lip Lock Silver Saddle Brooks B17 Pedals MKS Sylvan Touring Toe Clips MKS Stainless Steel Straps VO Leather Brown Cages Planet Bike Silver Wheels Rims Mavic Open Pro Hubs Shimano Ultegra 6500 Spokes Wheelsmith Tires Panaracer Pasela Tourguard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which brakes for simpleone?
Sorry, I got a little off-topic there...
On Oct 13, 2:10 pm, Peter Andrews beardedpe...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll chime in and and take it a step further. How 'bout not welding
any housing stops on the top tube either? I know this sounds absurd
to most, but I really like the idea of a frame with the barest of
essentials. There's a fellow on Flickr ('one happy cog') who's done a
knock-out job building up a Steamroller, using housing guides for the
rear brake.
So, OK. Why not just get a Surly then? You see, Riv's model would
have lugs, come in a 'deep wino' paint scheme, have more clearance for
girthier tires, and fender tabs on the fork ends and drop outs. The
barest of essentials...
(Clearly I'm trying to avoid ordering a custom job).
Peter
On Oct 13, 12:41 pm, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks.
Thought I'd had another senior moment there for a bit.
I hope they stick with the sidepull/ centerpull scenario. It would have to
be less costly not having to braze on the posts for the cantis.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Rocky B rivvyr...@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the pdf you are looking for about the Simpleone and side-pulls
brakes...
http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/352/original_aug28knothole.pdf
On Oct 13, 9:33 am, ccanter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote:
I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was a possiblity
Simpleones might be produced for the extra long reach sidepulls
instead of cantilievers.
I've googled and gooogled and can't find anything to support this.
Did I imagine/ dream it? Anyway I think it would be a good direction
to go, or at least
a good option. I'd really like one of these frames. Either canti or
sidepull, but I'd opt for sidepull if available. What do ya'll think?
C Canter
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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv-ish 58cm Surly Pacer Club Racer Build
:-) I thought of doing that myself. Except I already have most of the parts I need. None generally as nice as those however. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Why I like you guys part deuce
Along with all the positive reasons why we all enjoy this group, think
about Who else would have us?. Oh, no, it's the steel / wool /
fenders / twine bar wrap / etc. bunch! Pedal for your life!
Seriously, this is a fun group with enough outside the box ideas to
keep me interested.
dougP
On Oct 13, 9:30 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
wrote:
I love the tone of this group. Here are some reasons I think it's
fairly civil.
Historical traditions. The silverbacks are graduates of the iBOB list,
which used to be relatively polite. Haven't read it in a while, but
when I did, it was the calm end of the pool. The original Riv-backed
list was shut down when Grant deemed the discourse too uncivil, and I
think Jim shut this list down for a couple weeks one February when
everyone got itchy and mean.
We're relatively homogeneous. We get along because we share the same
bike values. Those with dissenting opinions don't air them.
We self-censor. I do. I'm a born smartass, but I try to wait out a
thread. If I just can't stand it, I try to be funny but not mean. Both
those things mean different things to different people, so I send a
lot of posts to the trash, instead of the list.
Jim keeps the list very focused.
So yeah, I don't think we're open minded, just polite. Which is more
than fine.
Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
On Oct 12, 1:13 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
Just wanted to thank everyone here for their non-judgmental and open
minded views.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I've seen Riv-oriented people get fighting mad over the phrase carbon
fiber. We all have our prejudices.
On Oct 12, 1:39 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
I was looking at a few other online forums this weekend and noticed
(again) what a civilized, positive atmosphere exist on this site.
Just wanted to thank everyone here for their non-judgmental and open
minded views.
~Mike~
On Oct 11, 5:43 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
Nice story. Totally dislike that drop mentality. Although as I'm
usually the one dropped, it is a bias. And it's not just roadies.
Was given some serious grief Saturday on some mountain bike trails by
a club ride.
Was a great time last year riding with you folks. Definitely a
highlight of my trip out to San Diego.
Oh, Ride the Divide is well worth seeing. Not just getting the DVD,
but it is fun watching the whole shebang on the big screen. ('Fession
- pre ordered the DVD and saw it at a local screening).
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On Oct 11, 7:19 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Everything I know about riding bikes I learned from Pee Wee Herman.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote:
Great story David. That's exactly why I ride a Riv. the way I do
(slow-
to-moderate-except-on-good-days-when-the-mood-strikes-but-never-at-the-
expense-of-my-riding-buddies). Be nice and ride yer bike. Pretty
simple. Thanks again.
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[RBW] Tires for Gravel Roads
Advice sought about riding in the gravel: Conventional wisdom has it that, if the road surface is harder than the tire, then knobbies are not an advantage, and a slick tire offers more grip. Today I fell on a steep ascent -- about 20+ percent -- on a road covered in creek gravel the size of robins’ eggs. (I know: I didn’t pick my line sagely.) As I spun though the air, looking up at the tops of the trees and at my feet, which were up there with the trees, I had a moment to reflect on the conventional wisdom. I know that a lot of subscribers to this list do a lot of mixed terrain riding, and I was wondering, if anyone had an opinion about the use of knobbies versus slicks -- or inverted-tread tires -- for this application. Continental Town and Country, 2.1 inch, 25 psi. (What I had today.) Versus, for example, Specialized Ground Control II, 1.95 inch, same psi. (What I have in the parts bin.) Any advice appreciated, Bob “Love Those Lonely, Gravel Roads” Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Headlands Ride Report 10.11.10
Lee: Nice photos. Motivates me to head for the trail tomorrow. To your question regarding preference, it's a mood thing. Like you, sometimes I like to push it a bit on the pavement, and other times it's relaxing to just dawdle around in the dirt (of course, for me that usually involves plenty of pushing too!). There are several rides I do where I use a fire trail or similar to connect together a couple of paved areas. These short cuts usually take a lot more time effort than staying on the pavement would. The nice thing about a Rivendell is they are happy to do it all. dougP On Oct 13, 9:50 am, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Morning, all. I was able to wheel out the Quickbeam for a weekend ride for the first time in more than a month. It took me out into the Marin Headlands to explore the wonderful set of trails inscribed there along the southern three ridges. Despite being underpowered and therefore, a bit undergeared, it was a wonderful afternoon. Trails, hills, beaches, and an ocean, with only minimal interruptions by three other cyclists, two runners, and a handful of hikers--all just 10 miles or so from my urban-crushed doorstep. I seem to oscillate between these types of out-back trail rides and longer road rides out into the country. Sometimes it's fun to get into a steady cadence on the road, feel a little speed, and enjoy the breeze in your face. Other times, I just want nothing to do with other bipeds (no offense of course) and head off to the nearest trailhead. Do you all have a preference for one type of riding over another? In any event, I'm just glad I have a bike that lets me do both so enjoyably. Here's the visuals: http://tinyurl.com/2dc6r76 Take care, Lee SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
Sorry to hear you took a digger. Sounds like you came out of it okay. Over the past couple of years I've ridden a fair amount of gravel. I like Panaracer T-Serves (700x35). They seem to provide some absorption on the gravel and don't seem to be too slow on the pavement. I've also used Paselas (32s and 35s), Ruffy Tuffys, JBs, and Schwalbe Marathons (37s and 41s). The Schwalbes seem to be the way to go if you're carrying a load. I haven't really used knobbies. I have a set of WTB 700x44 Mutano Raptors that I used to put on my Surly CC a few years ago. They seemed okay but they just made me want a bigger knobbie when I was in the dirt. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Headlands Ride Report 10.11.10
I run Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on my Atlantis, 700 x 35. My un- loaded tire pressure is 50 front 60 rear (kinda sorta based on Jan's tire pressure chart). Never thought to lower it off road. I'm moving up a size next time I need tires. I try to keep steady pedal pressure, not pound or otherwise change it too quickly. Sometimes I just 'stall out on hills, sometimes spin. That's telling me it's time for a walk. I have lots of gears use 'em all, especially the little ones. Can't imagine doing this on a single speed - you must have very good technique. Andy M does better on the dirt than I. He uses I believe the Schwalbe XR around 2 wide on 26 wheels. These have a more agressive tread pattern the Supreme but don't seem any noisier on the road. dougP On Oct 13, 11:08 am, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anne. I'm no great bike handler, but here is what I ride. The Quickbeam is a 650B conversion. So far, I've used the 32mm Nifty Swiftys with the lightly-treaded checkerboard pattern. I had trouble with them in terms of traction on some steep upward pitches. I had them at about 50-55 last time I rode these trails. I've used Col de la Vies on a few different bikes in the Headlands and these worked very well. They measure out to about 35.555etc. mm and have good, deep oval-shaped treads. Normally, I run them at 60-65 psi on my commute. On the trails, I set them to about 55-60. Less would probably help both with traction and to provide float on the deeper, sandy stuff. Speaking of deep, sandy stuff, that is the main issue I have with trail riding. On climbs, I can spin out when I hit such a patch, particularly on the one speed. So, I try to pick a decent line and hunker my butt down on the back edge of the saddle when cranking through it, as recommended to me on my last mixed terrain ride report. On descents, I get a little leary of the slip-and-slide action as I pass through the wash. So again, I try to pick a decent line, dampen my speed some before hitting the patch. Then, let loose the brakes and try to keep my line as straight as possible as I forge my way through the deep stuff. Overall, though, I'm a pretty slow descender on trails. Again, I'm a newb to this type of riding and I'm sure there are a lot of smart techniques out there that folks have developed, if anyone wants to chime in here. My Col de la Vies have given out, so I'm thinking about the new Soma 650B tires, which are ~38mm equivalents of your Paselas (at least superficially). I'm interested in seeing how they do on those trails. Plus, they are a little bit lighter than the Col de la Vies. I know, I know, it's all about the engine. But this engine welcomes any help it can get! Best, Lee On Oct 13, 9:55 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds fantastic. What tires do you find necessary for adventures like that? What tires would you recommend for someone who's not a great bike handler? What pressure did you run your tires at? I like riding my Atlantis (32 mm Panaracer Paselas) on dirt fire roads, but lately, at the end of the summer, I've been chickening out and walking more, as the fire roads in the South Bay (and presumably in Marin as well) are covered with gravel and dust. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Morning, all. I was able to wheel out the Quickbeam for a weekend ride for the first time in more than a month. It took me out into the Marin Headlands to explore the wonderful set of trails inscribed there along the southern three ridges. Despite being underpowered and therefore, a bit undergeared, it was a wonderful afternoon. Trails, hills, beaches, and an ocean, with only minimal interruptions by three other cyclists, two runners, and a handful of hikers--all just 10 miles or so from my urban-crushed doorstep. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
Bob: It's good you've still got your sense of humor and can an account of your musings as you tumbled. What you describe sounds like river run rock. It's all nice smooth similar sized from thousands of years of tumbling down a water course. Negotiating this stuff is like walking or riding on ball bearings. Tough at best. I doubt you'd find any tire what would perform well on this stuff. True knobbies (the big ol' honkin' square blocks) need something to grab onto, like sand, soft soil, etc. An inverted tread like the Conti TC is a wonderful all around tire. One of my touring buds rides those precisely so he can just take off the pavement without a thought and only has to check tire pressure once in a while. Man-made gravel as used for road surfacing is crushed to size so is fairly sharp and tends to lock together a bit. While it's a bit mushy and probably abrasive on tires, it's easier to ride than the stuff you describe. I'd stick with what you've got, accept that river run is a lousy surface and avoid if possible or walk thru if not. dougP On Oct 13, 5:04 pm, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: Advice sought about riding in the gravel: Conventional wisdom has it that, if the road surface is harder than the tire, then knobbies are not an advantage, and a slick tire offers more grip. Today I fell on a steep ascent -- about 20+ percent -- on a road covered in creek gravel the size of robins’ eggs. (I know: I didn’t pick my line sagely.) As I spun though the air, looking up at the tops of the trees and at my feet, which were up there with the trees, I had a moment to reflect on the conventional wisdom. I know that a lot of subscribers to this list do a lot of mixed terrain riding, and I was wondering, if anyone had an opinion about the use of knobbies versus slicks -- or inverted-tread tires -- for this application. Continental Town and Country, 2.1 inch, 25 psi. (What I had today.) Versus, for example, Specialized Ground Control II, 1.95 inch, same psi. (What I have in the parts bin.) Any advice appreciated, Bob “Love Those Lonely, Gravel Roads” Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Visit to Rivendell
I went out there for two Irish straps and walked out with a new Brooks saddle. Before that I walked out with a Big Rack. Before that was something else. Strange thing is they didn't try to sell me any of it. -Ray On Oct 13, 6:19 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a good trip. I innocently visted Rivendell a few months ago while on vacation. Next thing I know, I ordered a Hunqapillar! Oops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: good looking hunqs
Those Hunquapillars are nice looking bikes. The diag-a-tube looks very natural. If only I was a little bigger. -Ray On Oct 11, 6:17 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I think he's on the list but I just saw this hunquapillar tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/devildotbunny/5072896097/ This should be the one riv shows on their website b/c holy crap is that a gorgeous build. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Visit to Rivendell
I feel fortunate to have been a Rivendell customer since 1995. There have been a few shocks of On my gosh...I just spent $X on a bike/ frame. Sometimes there is a bit of sticker shock, but I have yet to regret spending money at Rivendell. I am happy to pay for their expertise...it's well worth it! Angus On Oct 13, 9:30 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, each visitor should be presented with appropriate warnings and disclaimers... Rivendell Bicycle Works is not responsible for your inability to control your emotional response to these bicycles, nor are we responsible for any subsequent actions you might undertake to obtain funding to satisfy your uncontrollable urges to own one of these fine bicycles... THAT would be the responsible thing to do On Oct 13, 9:19 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a good trip. I innocently visted Rivendell a few months ago while on vacation. Next thing I know, I ordered a Hunqapillar! Oops.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: good looking hunqs
ya, me too. just a couple more centimeters and it'd fit. maybe a 650B conversion? :) -andrew On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Way Rebb wrote: Those Hunquapillars are nice looking bikes. The diag-a-tube looks very natural. If only I was a little bigger. -Ray On Oct 11, 6:17 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I think he's on the list but I just saw this hunquapillar tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/devildotbunny/5072896097/ This should be the one riv shows on their website b/c holy crap is that a gorgeous build. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
Bob, I hope you are OK from the spill. Many of my hard learned lessons have been realized very soon after flying over the bars, or sliding along the ground. IMHO, the best tire for gravel you described is probably a great big honkin knobby tire...that will royally suck everywhere else! Even then it is still like surfing over a loose surface. I my previous life we had a very steep, very loose hill that had about a 50% success rate...ce la vie! Angus On Oct 13, 7:04 pm, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: Advice sought about riding in the gravel: Conventional wisdom has it that, if the road surface is harder than the tire, then knobbies are not an advantage, and a slick tire offers more grip. Today I fell on a steep ascent -- about 20+ percent -- on a road covered in creek gravel the size of robins’ eggs. (I know: I didn’t pick my line sagely.) As I spun though the air, looking up at the tops of the trees and at my feet, which were up there with the trees, I had a moment to reflect on the conventional wisdom. I know that a lot of subscribers to this list do a lot of mixed terrain riding, and I was wondering, if anyone had an opinion about the use of knobbies versus slicks -- or inverted-tread tires -- for this application. Continental Town and Country, 2.1 inch, 25 psi. (What I had today.) Versus, for example, Specialized Ground Control II, 1.95 inch, same psi. (What I have in the parts bin.) Any advice appreciated, Bob “Love Those Lonely, Gravel Roads” Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] VO Campagne handlebar review?
I know there have been a few discussions in this forum about the Velo Orange Campagne handlebar bag... Has anyone mounted it to a front rack, and if so, how has it worked for you? Thanks, BB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
I dont think the ce la vie! is a good gravel tireha ha I was just riding along, and then mother earth reached up and smote me a mighty blow On Oct 13, 7:25 pm, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Bob, I hope you are OK from the spill. Many of my hard learned lessons have been realized very soon after flying over the bars, or sliding along the ground. IMHO, the best tire for gravel you described is probably a great big honkin knobby tire...that will royally suck everywhere else! Even then it is still like surfing over a loose surface. I my previous life we had a very steep, very loose hill that had about a 50% success rate...ce la vie! Angus On Oct 13, 7:04 pm, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: Advice sought about riding in the gravel: Conventional wisdom has it that, if the road surface is harder than the tire, then knobbies are not an advantage, and a slick tire offers more grip. Today I fell on a steep ascent -- about 20+ percent -- on a road covered in creek gravel the size of robins’ eggs. (I know: I didn’t pick my line sagely.) As I spun though the air, looking up at the tops of the trees and at my feet, which were up there with the trees, I had a moment to reflect on the conventional wisdom. I know that a lot of subscribers to this list do a lot of mixed terrain riding, and I was wondering, if anyone had an opinion about the use of knobbies versus slicks -- or inverted-tread tires -- for this application. Continental Town and Country, 2.1 inch, 25 psi. (What I had today.) Versus, for example, Specialized Ground Control II, 1.95 inch, same psi. (What I have in the parts bin.) Any advice appreciated, Bob “Love Those Lonely, Gravel Roads” Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: good looking hunqs
The Humu has gone through it's own share of revisions. All with 2TT's though. On Oct 12, 11:28 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I saw one of these Kona's the other day and it made me think of the extra TT placement controversy: http://www.konaworld.co/bike.cfm?content=humu Not bad looking in a townie/cruiser sort of way... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of eflayer Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:54 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: good looking hunqs If you are going to have an extra tube, that's where it should go. That's a hunka hunka burning steel. On Oct 12, 12:25 am, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: Wow--that is a spectacular bike. Excellently photographed. Nicely done. Rob in Seattle On Oct 11, 2010, at 6:17 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I think he's on the list but I just saw this hunquapillar tonight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/devildotbunny/5072896097/ This should be the one riv shows on their website b/c holy crap is that a gorgeous build. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why I like you guys part deuce
I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member. ---
*Groucho* *Marx*
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:59 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
Along with all the positive reasons why we all enjoy this group, think
about Who else would have us?. Oh, no, it's the steel / wool /
fenders / twine bar wrap / etc. bunch! Pedal for your life!
Seriously, this is a fun group with enough outside the box ideas to
keep me interested.
dougP
On Oct 13, 9:30 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
wrote:
I love the tone of this group. Here are some reasons I think it's
fairly civil.
Historical traditions. The silverbacks are graduates of the iBOB list,
which used to be relatively polite. Haven't read it in a while, but
when I did, it was the calm end of the pool. The original Riv-backed
list was shut down when Grant deemed the discourse too uncivil, and I
think Jim shut this list down for a couple weeks one February when
everyone got itchy and mean.
We're relatively homogeneous. We get along because we share the same
bike values. Those with dissenting opinions don't air them.
We self-censor. I do. I'm a born smartass, but I try to wait out a
thread. If I just can't stand it, I try to be funny but not mean. Both
those things mean different things to different people, so I send a
lot of posts to the trash, instead of the list.
Jim keeps the list very focused.
So yeah, I don't think we're open minded, just polite. Which is more
than fine.
Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
On Oct 12, 1:13 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
Just wanted to thank everyone here for their non-judgmental and open
minded views.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I've seen Riv-oriented people get fighting mad over the phrase carbon
fiber. We all have our prejudices.
On Oct 12, 1:39 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
I was looking at a few other online forums this weekend and noticed
(again) what a civilized, positive atmosphere exist on this site.
Just wanted to thank everyone here for their non-judgmental and open
minded views.
~Mike~
On Oct 11, 5:43 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
Nice story. Totally dislike that drop mentality. Although as I'm
usually the one dropped, it is a bias. And it's not just roadies.
Was given some serious grief Saturday on some mountain bike trails
by
a club ride.
Was a great time last year riding with you folks. Definitely a
highlight of my trip out to San Diego.
Oh, Ride the Divide is well worth seeing. Not just getting the
DVD,
but it is fun watching the whole shebang on the big screen.
('Fession
- pre ordered the DVD and saw it at a local screening).
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On Oct 11, 7:19 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Everything I know about riding bikes I learned from Pee Wee
Herman.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Great story David. That's exactly why I ride a Riv. the way I
do (slow-
to-moderate-except-on-good-days-when-the-mood-strikes-but-never-at-the-
expense-of-my-riding-buddies). Be nice and ride yer bike.
Pretty
simple. Thanks again.
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