date:20120710

Alas as a longtime NYC resident I can say all the ones I know are trekish
bikes, they need to appeal to those who arent all that adept at cycling so
they have the big easy to ride cruisers.  Try Waterfront bikes on the West
Side though
391 West St
New York, NY 10014
Neighborhood: West Village
(212) 414-2453
They might have something a bit more unique.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there anything like this?  I am here (in NYC) for the day today and
 have some time to kill.

 I'd love to rent a bike, but all the bike rentals are like trek hybrids.
  Nothing the matter with that, but figured I'd ask if there is something I
 don't know about.

 Ideas?  Thoughts?

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[RBW] WTB Platrack

2012-07-10 Thread Mitch Browne

Anyone have an unloved Platrack for sale?

Summer experiments continue.

Reply offline, thanks.

Mitch Browne
San Luis Obispo, CA

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[RBW] Re: Rivish bike rental in NYC?

2012-07-10 Thread Peter Pesce

Not sure if they do rentals but you might try Adeline Adeline for something 
dutch or city-bike style:
ADELINE ADELINE 147 Reade Street
(between Greenwich  Hudson)
New York, NY 10013
212-227-1150
888-9X0-BIKE
888-996-2453





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 Is there anything like this?  I am here (in NYC) for the day today and 
 have some time to kill.

 I'd love to rent a bike, but all the bike rentals are like trek hybrids. 
  Nothing the matter with that, but figured I'd ask if there is something I 
 don't know about.

 Ideas?  Thoughts?


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[RBW] Re: Does this Betty Foy Look Different to you?

2012-07-10 Thread JaxandPuzzle

Hey, that's my bike! 

Yes, the top tube is in line with the middle set of stays. And the fork has 
more bend too. I personally feel this line is much more aesthetically 
pleasing, and was surprised and pleased when it arrived this way (September 
2011). I think the change only applies to my size (58). Maybe because 
Velouria from Lovely Bicycle! kept complaining about it ;-). 


On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14:43 AM UTC-4, Rocky B wrote:

 Take a look at the frame lines of this Betty Foy: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/10344790@N06/7514719444/in/pool-rivendell

 Is it me or does it looks like the top tube and the mid-seat stays line 
 up?   

 ...because I've always wished they were built like that.

 Rocky



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Re: [RBW] Re: Does this Betty Foy Look Different to you?

2012-07-10 Thread Jeremy Till

I also think it's a function of size, probably related to the challenges of
attaching 3 sets of stays to the rear dropout; on the smaller frames they
have to have the kink so the mid-stays stay below the seat stays. On the
larger frames, maybe, the greater angle between chain and seat stays allow
the mid-stays to come in at a higher angle, lined up with the seat tube.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:19:34 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

Agreed, but is it a function of size? the ones on the net with a bent tube
look smaller.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:17 AM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote:

I did too, much prefer a straight line.. Would this be a new future style
of betty and yves or just a one off?

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:10:53 AM UTC-5, Peter Pesce wrote:

Hmm. I think you're right. I always disliked the bent line also.

-Pete in CT

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14:43 AM UTC-4, Rocky B wrote:

Take a look at the frame lines of this Betty Foy:
http://www.flickr.com/**photos/10344790@N06/**
7514719444/in/pool-rivendellhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/10344790@N06/7514719444/in/pool-rivendell

Is it me or does it looks like the top tube and the mid-seat stays
line up?

...because I've always wished they were built like that.

Rocky

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cool knobbly tires at BG

2012-07-10 Thread Cyclofiend


Hey there Andrew -

And another thanks from me - I've been reading Mike-out-at-Black  
Mountain Cycles posts regarding larger knobbier knibblies.  He spoke  
well of the BG tires.


http://www.blackmtncycles.com/2012/07/been-long-time.html

It did seem that in one of the early photos -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71141757@N02/7531761196

you had more than a quarter's width at the chainstays.  Is that  
correct, or just an artifact of the image?


- Jim

Jim Edgar / Cyclofiend.com 


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[RBW] Best 700c X FAT fenders?

What are the widest 700c fenders available -- the 60 mm Planet Bike
ones? And of those available, which are the best in terms of value and
sturdiness? I don't need very long ones since I generally amputate the
rear to end just aft of the rack and, in front, prefer to use a long
flap that will not be damaged by hitting obstacles.

-- For the Fargo, now that our monsoon is here.

('Nother question: for your Fargo owners or former owners: what have
you found to be the best weight distribution, front vs rear, for loads
of 30 to 50 lb?)

Thanks.

-- 
When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville.

Flannery O'Connor

-
Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA
For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW
http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Does this Betty Foy Look Different to you?

2012-07-10 Thread Rocky B

I've seen pictures of a 62cm Bettys and Yves Gomezs on the 'net and they
all had the kink look to them. I hope this isn't a one-off and its the
new style.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:39:07 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:

I also think it's a function of size, probably related to the challenges
of attaching 3 sets of stays to the rear dropout; on the smaller frames
they have to have the kink so the mid-stays stay below the seat stays. On
the larger frames, maybe, the greater angle between chain and seat stays
allow the mid-stays to come in at a higher angle, lined up with the seat
tube.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:19:34 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

Agreed, but is it a function of size? the ones on the net with a bent
tube look smaller.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:17 AM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote:

I did too, much prefer a straight line.. Would this be a new future
style of betty and yves or just a one off?

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:10:53 AM UTC-5, Peter Pesce wrote:

Hmm. I think you're right. I always disliked the bent line also.

-Pete in CT

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14:43 AM UTC-4, Rocky B wrote:

Take a look at the frame lines of this Betty Foy:
http://www.flickr.com/**photos/10344790@N06/**
7514719444/in/pool-rivendellhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/10344790@N06/7514719444/in/pool-rivendell

Is it me or does it looks like the top tube and the mid-seat stays
line up?

...because I've always wished they were built like that.

Rocky

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[RBW] Re: WTB or T: canvas Li'l Loafer ... - new Acorn alternative

I've just ordered one of the new Acorn mini-rando bags in Ranger Tan waxed 
canvas.
 
Perhaps this will satisfy my desire for a Li'l Loafer, which apparently are 
not easily parted from their current owners :)
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:51:00 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

 bump

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[RBW] For Sale: Acorn Boxy Rando Bag

2012-07-10 Thread Mojo

I just bought the Tall Rando Bag from Acorn, and will post my impressions 
after I receive and ride it for awhile. 
But now I have an extra Boxy Rando Bag for sale. Here is a picture on my 
AllRounder (and notice the room for a bigger bag to rise to my bars)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7543755828/
and here is info from Acorn's website (note mine is a tan color not this 
rich brown, see above)
http://acornbags.bigcartel.com/product/boxy-rando-bag
 
The bag is like new, all the cotton duck and leather are supple and not sun 
damaged.
There are a few smudges:
the first you can see in the above picture on the right side of the front 
flap.
Then the left front pocket has some slight discoloration on it's flap
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7543827962/
and there appears to be a bit of dirt on that pocket's base
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7543837712/
The bottom is clean due to good fenders.
 
$195 shipped in CONUS

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[RBW] mini rando bag

2012-07-10 Thread Michael_S

just noticed this on the Acorn site... a mini rando bag!  Very nice 
looking, MUSA and three colors.  http://www.acornbags.com/minirandobag.html

The small trunk sack is very nice but only comes in olive. I'd like one of 
those in grey but that fabric is no longer available.

~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cool knobbly tires at BG

2012-07-10 Thread BSWP

No doubt - these are good tires, I wish I had more clearance. In that shot, 
look at the top, and you'll see the chain links, for perspective. There's 
just not enough room for a quarter to slip past the chainstays, at least 
not on my 66cm QuickBeam.

The BG site says they're 43 mm wide, the informative sheet that ships with 
the tires says they're 44mm wide, and my own measurements (across widest 
points) showed 45.3 mm. I guess different rims might change the profile, I 
have Velocity Dyads and I measured the tires with approx 70 psi inflation.

BTW, I have a buyer for the tires.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:44:03 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Hey there Andrew - 

 And another thanks from me - I've been reading Mike-out-at-Black   
 Mountain Cycles posts regarding larger knobbier knibblies.  He spoke   
 well of the BG tires. 

 http://www.blackmtncycles.com/2012/07/been-long-time.html 

 It did seem that in one of the early photos - 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/71141757@N02/7531761196 

 you had more than a quarter's width at the chainstays.  Is that   
 correct, or just an artifact of the image? 

 - Jim 

 Jim Edgar / Cyclofiend.com 


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[RBW] mini rando bag

Completely out of the blue as far as I knew came an e-mail an announcing this 
new mini rando style from Acorn. I ordered one this morning.

I'll post how it works with the Nitto Mini and Mark's Rack sometime in the next 
couple weeks.

I'm stoked!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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Re: [RBW] mini rando bag

And it is sold outmaybe by xmas I can get one.  Not to be a hater but
this site always reminds me of a fancy nightclub by my office, it is closed
most of the time but people in the know show up when it is open and it is
packed out the door

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thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote:

 Completely out of the blue as far as I knew came an e-mail an announcing
 this new mini rando style from Acorn. I ordered one this morning.

 I'll post how it works with the Nitto Mini and Mark's Rack sometime in the
 next couple weeks.

 I'm stoked!

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Seattle Tour.

I can understand the allure of riding the coast to SF but really, if I were 
you guys, I'd head to the Cascades from Seattle and ride down to Crater 
Lake/Klammath Falls and then catch the train home. But you can always save 
that for another trip. 

I think if you're willing to put in long days you could do it in a week and 
a half. Like Northern CA the coast can be damp, foggy and cold but it's 
also amazingly beautiful. I've ridden the OR coast on multiple brevets and 
there's a nice shoulder. My friends who have toured it always give the 
thumbs up to the cheap hiker/biker sites. 

Whatever you do, I'm sure it's gonna be a great time. Looking forward to 
the pictures.

--mike

On Monday, July 9, 2012 8:11:33 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Figure it's just about time to get ready for touring season. Tommy and I 
 are planning to train/bus/drive/fly (we haven't really figured this part 
 out) up to Washington and biking down to San Francisco. Looking to try to 
 do it in a week and a half. Anyone have any suggestions on routes or things 
 to see? Also curious about the weather while riding down, musa splat 
 weather? Basically going off the fly and just winging it for this tour. 
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[RBW] Re: PRICE REDUCED-FS; Phil, Campy, Mavic, JB 700c Wheelset

2012-07-10 Thread Minh

Brian, 
I've bought from Marc in the past, and while not too communicative, I received 
my items, in both cases a day or two after I started wondering where they were. 

I think he's just busy so I'd suggest you give him some time, he's been a 
member for awhile. 

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[RBW] Re: Seattle Tour.

2012-07-10 Thread William

I used the book:  Bicycling the Pacific Coast.  Tom Kirkendall and Vicky 
Spring are the authors.  I'll look on my bookshelf and see if I can find 
it.  If I can find it you can have it.  I've taken Amtrak to Seattle.  The 
Amtrak bike box was huge.  Bars sideways and pedals off, roll it in!  I 
think it still works that way.  Your beloved basket might be an issue, 
though, so prepare to clip some zipties and re-zip in Seattle.  

On Monday, July 9, 2012 8:11:33 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Figure it's just about time to get ready for touring season. Tommy and I 
 are planning to train/bus/drive/fly (we haven't really figured this part 
 out) up to Washington and biking down to San Francisco. Looking to try to 
 do it in a week and a half. Anyone have any suggestions on routes or things 
 to see? Also curious about the weather while riding down, musa splat 
 weather? Basically going off the fly and just winging it for this tour. 
 -Manny


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[RBW] Re: mini rando bag

2012-07-10 Thread Jim Cloud

Obviously quite similar to the Rivendell Li'l Loafer bags.  I don't
know why, however, Rivendell insists on only supplying their bags in
tweed. There are many, including some in this Group, who don't like
(or detest) tweed bags.

I have one of the original Rivendell Nigel Smythe Li'l Loafer bags in
tan canvas.  Its a keeper!

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 10, 9:58 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 just noticed this on the Acorn site... a mini rando bag!  Very nice
 looking, MUSA and three colors.  http://www.acornbags.com/minirandobag.html

 The small trunk sack is very nice but only comes in olive. I'd like one of
 those in grey but that fabric is no longer available.

 ~mike

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[RBW] Re: Shock cord arrangement ideas for the Baggins handlebar bag

2012-07-10 Thread William

I went with two separate shock cords.  One for the left and one for the 
right.  I did not loop it over the top at all.

Pictures tell the story better than I could describe

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7544704434/in/photostream 

The next several shots in my photostream show how I close the bag.

Testimonial for the F-15 rack.  I am blown away how rigid that thing is.  I 
was not expecting it to be very rigid, with that tuning fork design, I was 
expecting to see the thing bounce all over the place, like those bent steel 
ones we've all seen in the 70's and 80's.  This rack is freaking solid.  I 
am really really impressed with it.  

On Monday, July 9, 2012 5:12:33 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

 Cute!  Thanks Jim!  I've downloaded both and saved 'em.  So you can pull 
 yours down anytime.  

 On Monday, July 9, 2012 4:59:01 PM UTC-7, Jim Cloud wrote:

 William, 

 I just took a couple of photos from the original Rivendell catalogs of 
 the Baggins handlebar bag.  These photos may allow you to see how the 
 closure system was originally designed.  It's obvious that there would 
 be more than one way to use the elastic cords and barrel cord locks to 
 secure the top.  Here's the photos:  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/sets/72157630504415628/ 

 I'll keep these photos available for a period on my Flickr 
 photostream, but they'll be deleted eventually.  I hope you find them 
 useful. 

 Jim Cloud 
 Tucson, AZ 

 On Jul 9, 12:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I acquired here on the list a handlebar bag setup that I have installed 
 on 
  my commuter bike.  It's a Nitto F-15 front rack (
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r8.htm) and it came with a Baggins 
  handlebar bag made to fit the rack. 
  
  The bag has some brass loops and a couple of hooks to keep the lid 
 closed 
  with a shock cord.  The bag, however, came with no shock cord.  I have 
 a 
  bunch of shock cord on hand for repairing tent poles, so, I'm going to 
 go 
  ahead and invent my own arrangement, but I was curious if anyone can 
  remember or show me what the original arrangement was supposed to be? 
  
  The best clue I could find was this flickr photo:  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/9180352@N06/1806202651/ 
  
  http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2327/1806202651_e042ec29ee_n.jpg 
  
  The other constraint I have is that the center leather tap thing with 
 the 
  Baggins logo has no brass ring.  My first instinct is to just do two 
 short 
  runs of cord.  Each cord will tie to two loops, and I'll stretch that 
 cord 
  over one hook.  Are there any old photos from old Readers?  None of 
 this is 
  rocket surgery, so please, no extreme efforts.



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Re: [RBW] Re: mini rando bag

What about the green Sackville trunksack small, isnt it just the same thing
with a different name? I was always partial to the grid grey though.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:

 Obviously quite similar to the Rivendell Li'l Loafer bags.  I don't
 know why, however, Rivendell insists on only supplying their bags in
 tweed. There are many, including some in this Group, who don't like
 (or detest) tweed bags.

 I have one of the original Rivendell Nigel Smythe Li'l Loafer bags in
 tan canvas.  Its a keeper!

 Jim Cloud
 Tucson, AZ

 On Jul 10, 9:58 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
  just noticed this on the Acorn site... a mini rando bag!  Very nice
  looking, MUSA and three colors.
 http://www.acornbags.com/minirandobag.html
 
  The small trunk sack is very nice but only comes in olive. I'd like one
 of
  those in grey but that fabric is no longer available.
 
  ~mike

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[RBW] FS: Shimano CX-70 brakes

2012-07-10 Thread Anne

Project isn't going to move forward and time soon so I would like to
sell these.
They are new in their boxes.
Just as Riv sells them: sold as a set, enough for one bike.
$90 to your door.

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[RBW] Re: mini rando bag

2012-07-10 Thread Rick

I have the canvas baggins edition of the li'l loafer on two bikes (one
with the old green raincover), and the main improvement I see in the
Acorn is the non-zippered access point on the main pocket.  I don't
dislike tweed, but do prefer the tan canvas / brown leather style.

I regretably lost the matching baggins Keven's bag off the back of the
Atlantis to the proverbial Bicycle Thief last week.  Cut the zipties
and made off with my kit, minipump, etc.  I suspect he was after the
saddle, which was somewhat more effectively secured to the frame, and
he just took the bag as compensation for his efforts, the bastidge
(impotent fist shaking implied).

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[RBW] Re: WTB or T: canvas Li'l Loafer ... - new Acorn alternative

2012-07-10 Thread Rick

Let us know how you like it.

On Jul 10, 12:13 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 I've just ordered one of the new Acorn mini-rando bags in Ranger Tan waxed
 canvas.

 Perhaps this will satisfy my desire for a Li'l Loafer, which apparently are
 not easily parted from their current owners :)

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean



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[RBW] Re: Shock cord arrangement ideas for the Baggins handlebar bag

2012-07-10 Thread Jim Cloud

I agree that the Nitto F-15 rack is very solid.  It also mounts on a
handlebar without marring the bar in any way, which isn't often the
case.

Some of the Japanese bag makers (e.g. guu Watanabe) use the F-15 for a
handlebar bag.  With the exchange rate of the Yen-to-Dollar these bags
are very expensive however.  Here's a link that shows a bag from guu
Watanabe with the F-15 rack:  http://www.guu-watanabe.com/frontretroe.html

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 10, 12:02 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 I went with two separate shock cords.  One for the left and one for the
 right.  I did not loop it over the top at all.

 Pictures tell the story better than I could describe

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7544704434/in/photostream

 The next several shots in my photostream show how I close the bag.

 Testimonial for the F-15 rack.  I am blown away how rigid that thing is.  I
 was not expecting it to be very rigid, with that tuning fork design, I was
 expecting to see the thing bounce all over the place, like those bent steel
 ones we've all seen in the 70's and 80's.  This rack is freaking solid.  I
 am really really impressed with it.







 On Monday, July 9, 2012 5:12:33 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

  Cute!  Thanks Jim!  I've downloaded both and saved 'em.  So you can pull
  yours down anytime.

  On Monday, July 9, 2012 4:59:01 PM UTC-7, Jim Cloud wrote:

  William,

  I just took a couple of photos from the original Rivendell catalogs of
  the Baggins handlebar bag.  These photos may allow you to see how the
  closure system was originally designed.  It's obvious that there would
  be more than one way to use the elastic cords and barrel cord locks to
  secure the top.  Here's the photos:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/sets/72157630504415628/

  I'll keep these photos available for a period on my Flickr
  photostream, but they'll be deleted eventually.  I hope you find them
  useful.

  Jim Cloud
  Tucson, AZ

  On Jul 9, 12:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
   I acquired here on the list a handlebar bag setup that I have installed
  on
   my commuter bike.  It's a Nitto F-15 front rack (
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r8.htm) and it came with a Baggins
   handlebar bag made to fit the rack.

   The bag has some brass loops and a couple of hooks to keep the lid
  closed
   with a shock cord.  The bag, however, came with no shock cord.  I have
  a
   bunch of shock cord on hand for repairing tent poles, so, I'm going to
  go
   ahead and invent my own arrangement, but I was curious if anyone can
   remember or show me what the original arrangement was supposed to be?

   The best clue I could find was this flickr photo:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/9180352@N06/1806202651/

   http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2327/1806202651_e042ec29ee_n.jpg

   The other constraint I have is that the center leather tap thing with
  the
   Baggins logo has no brass ring.  My first instinct is to just do two
  short
   runs of cord.  Each cord will tie to two loops, and I'll stretch that
  cord
   over one hook.  Are there any old photos from old Readers?  None of
  this is
   rocket surgery, so please, no extreme efforts.

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RE: [RBW] Re: PRICE REDUCED-FS; Phil, Campy, Mavic, JB 700c Wheelset

2012-07-10 Thread Marc Schwartz

Dear fellow Rivsters and Irate buyers;

I have just returned from a trip to address another in a series of crises. All 
will be packed and shipped this week. I offer my apologies and beg your 
forgiveness.

 I do not relish the prospect of being persued by a posse of riders on Hunqs, 
Hillbornes, and other heavy artillery!

Regards,
Marc

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: PRICE REDUCED-FS; Phil, Campy, Mavic, JB 700c Wheelset

Brian,
I've bought from Marc in the past, and while not too communicative, I received 
my items, in both cases a day or two after I started wondering where they were.

I think he's just busy so I'd suggest you give him some time, he's been a 
member for awhile.

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RE: [RBW] mini rando bag

2012-07-10 Thread Marc Schwartz

They are a small cottage industry.quality and craftmanship are superb. Demand 
always exceeds supply, so ask to be notified when a new batch will be offered, 
they are batched by color. You will receive a heads-up email and be prepared to 
buy quickly... They sell out in hours.
Marc

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behalf of Peter Morgano [uscpeter11...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:39 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] mini rando bag

And it is sold outmaybe by xmas I can get one.  Not to be a hater but this 
site always reminds me of a fancy nightclub by my office, it is closed most of 
the time but people in the know show up when it is open and it is packed out 
the door

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean 
thomaslynnsk...@comcast.netmailto:thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote:
Completely out of the blue as far as I knew came an e-mail an announcing this 
new mini rando style from Acorn. I ordered one this morning.

I'll post how it works with the Nitto Mini and Mark's Rack sometime in the next 
couple weeks.

I'm stoked!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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Re: [RBW] Re: Does this Betty Foy Look Different to you?

2012-07-10 Thread Jamie

I'm looking at my 62 cm and it looks straight to me. Am I missing something?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14724719@N08/7360074294/

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:08:01 AM UTC-7, Rocky B wrote:

I've seen pictures of a 62cm Bettys and Yves Gomezs on the 'net and they
all had the kink look to them. I hope this isn't a one-off and its the
new style.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:39:07 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:

I also think it's a function of size, probably related to the challenges
of attaching 3 sets of stays to the rear dropout; on the smaller frames
they have to have the kink so the mid-stays stay below the seat stays. On
the larger frames, maybe, the greater angle between chain and seat stays
allow the mid-stays to come in at a higher angle, lined up with the seat
tube.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:19:34 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

Agreed, but is it a function of size? the ones on the net with a bent
tube look smaller.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:17 AM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote:

I did too, much prefer a straight line.. Would this be a new future
style of betty and yves or just a one off?

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:10:53 AM UTC-5, Peter Pesce wrote:

Hmm. I think you're right. I always disliked the bent line also.

-Pete in CT

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14:43 AM UTC-4, Rocky B wrote:

Take a look at the frame lines of this Betty Foy:
http://www.flickr.com/**photos/10344790@N06/**
7514719444/in/pool-rivendellhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/10344790@N06/7514719444/in/pool-rivendell

Is it me or does it looks like the top tube and the mid-seat stays
line up?

...because I've always wished they were built like that.

Rocky

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[RBW] Re: Shock cord arrangement ideas for the Baggins handlebar bag

Yeah... someday when my ship has come in... when I can toss thousands 
around here and there...  when I'd say you know, this Hillborne'd be 
perfect if it were a 60.5cm frame and its fork had 3mm less trail... so 
make me a custom!...  when I can roll out my 7cm-14cm Nitto lugged steel 
stem collection like a set of allen wrenches... at that point I'd purchase 
an F-15-compatible handlebar bag from Guu Watanabe and feel great about it. 
Guu Watanabe bags just look sooo good.
 
Mind you, I'm not saying I'll wait 'til then. I may just do it and get the 
hell over not feeling great about it. But for now I resist!
 
(Oh, and I'd also want a full set of panniers and a couple of rack trunks 
and maybe I'd buy a Brompton so I could get one of their front bags for it.)
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:54:10 PM UTC-5, Jim Cloud wrote:

 I agree that the Nitto F-15 rack is very solid.  It also mounts on a 
 handlebar without marring the bar in any way, which isn't often the 
 case. 

 Some of the Japanese bag makers (e.g. guu Watanabe) use the F-15 for a 
 handlebar bag.  With the exchange rate of the Yen-to-Dollar these bags 
 are very expensive however.  Here's a link that shows a bag from guu 
 Watanabe with the F-15 rack:  http://www.guu-watanabe.com/frontretroe.html 

 Jim Cloud 
 Tucson, AZ 

 On Jul 10, 12:02 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I went with two separate shock cords.  One for the left and one for the 
  right.  I did not loop it over the top at all. 
  
  Pictures tell the story better than I could describe 
  
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7544704434/in/photostream 
  
  The next several shots in my photostream show how I close the bag. 
  
  Testimonial for the F-15 rack.  I am blown away how rigid that thing is. 
  I 
  was not expecting it to be very rigid, with that tuning fork design, I 
 was 
  expecting to see the thing bounce all over the place, like those bent 
 steel 
  ones we've all seen in the 70's and 80's.  This rack is freaking solid. 
  I 
  am really really impressed with it. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  On Monday, July 9, 2012 5:12:33 PM UTC-7, William wrote: 
  
   Cute!  Thanks Jim!  I've downloaded both and saved 'em.  So you can 
 pull 
   yours down anytime. 
  
   On Monday, July 9, 2012 4:59:01 PM UTC-7, Jim Cloud wrote: 
  
   William, 
  
   I just took a couple of photos from the original Rivendell catalogs 
 of 
   the Baggins handlebar bag.  These photos may allow you to see how the 
   closure system was originally designed.  It's obvious that there 
 would 
   be more than one way to use the elastic cords and barrel cord locks 
 to 
   secure the top.  Here's the photos: 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/sets/72157630504415628/ 
  
   I'll keep these photos available for a period on my Flickr 
   photostream, but they'll be deleted eventually.  I hope you find them 
   useful. 
  
   Jim Cloud 
   Tucson, AZ 
  
   On Jul 9, 12:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 
I acquired here on the list a handlebar bag setup that I have 
 installed 
   on 
my commuter bike.  It's a Nitto F-15 front rack ( 
  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r8.htm) and it came with a Baggins 
handlebar bag made to fit the rack. 
  
The bag has some brass loops and a couple of hooks to keep the lid 
   closed 
with a shock cord.  The bag, however, came with no shock cord.  I 
 have 
   a 
bunch of shock cord on hand for repairing tent poles, so, I'm going 
 to 
   go 
ahead and invent my own arrangement, but I was curious if anyone 
 can 
remember or show me what the original arrangement was supposed to 
 be? 
  
The best clue I could find was this flickr photo: 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/9180352@N06/1806202651/ 
  
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2327/1806202651_e042ec29ee_n.jpg 
  
The other constraint I have is that the center leather tap thing 
 with 
   the 
Baggins logo has no brass ring.  My first instinct is to just do 
 two 
   short 
runs of cord.  Each cord will tie to two loops, and I'll stretch 
 that 
   cord 
over one hook.  Are there any old photos from old Readers?  None of 
   this is 
rocket surgery, so please, no extreme efforts.

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[RBW] Re: mini rando bag

2012-07-10 Thread Frank Brose

No Doubt. I knew the tan handlebar bags went on sale at 9 PST today.
Couldn't get to my computer until 12 PST. Gone. I'm bumbed.

On Jul 10, 12:49 pm, Marc Schwartz mschw...@nmsu.edu wrote:
They are a small cottage industry.quality and craftmanship are superb.
Demand always exceeds supply, so ask to be notified when a new batch will be
offered, they are batched by color. You will receive a heads-up email and be
prepared to buy quickly... They sell out in hours.
Marc

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on behalf of Peter Morgano [uscpeter11...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:39 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] mini rando bag

And it is sold outmaybe by xmas I can get one. Not to be a hater but
this site always reminds me of a fancy nightclub by my office, it is closed
most of the time but people in the know show up when it is open and it is
packed out the door

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean
thomaslynnsk...@comcast.netmailto:thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote:
Completely out of the blue as far as I knew came an e-mail an announcing this
new mini rando style from Acorn. I ordered one this morning.

I'll post how it works with the Nitto Mini and Mark's Rack sometime in the
next couple weeks.

I'm stoked!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano CX-70 brakes

2012-07-10 Thread Anne

These are sold. Many thanks!

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 Project isn't going to move forward and time soon so I would like to
 sell these.
 They are new in their boxes.
 Just as Riv sells them: sold as a set, enough for one bike.
 $90 to your door.

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[RBW] Re: Shock cord arrangement ideas for the Baggins handlebar bag

2012-07-10 Thread William

You know me, Thomas.  I'm going to go the opposite directionI'm going 
to make my own F-15 compatible bag/box out of corroplast.  :)

I've made two corroplast handlebar bags already, and plan on making 
stiffeners for this floppy Baggins bag.  An F-15 compatible corroplast box 
will be next.  

Bill

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:21:25 PM UTC-7, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

 Yeah... someday when my ship has come in... when I can toss thousands 
 around here and there...  when I'd say you know, this Hillborne'd be 
 perfect if it were a 60.5cm frame and its fork had 3mm less trail... so 
 make me a custom!...  when I can roll out my 7cm-14cm Nitto lugged steel 
 stem collection like a set of allen wrenches... at that point I'd purchase 
 an F-15-compatible handlebar bag from Guu Watanabe and feel great about it. 
 Guu Watanabe bags just look sooo good.
  
 Mind you, I'm not saying I'll wait 'til then. I may just do it and get the 
 hell over not feeling great about it. But for now I resist!
  
 (Oh, and I'd also want a full set of panniers and a couple of rack trunks 
 and maybe I'd buy a Brompton so I could get one of their front bags for it.)
  
 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

 On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:54:10 PM UTC-5, Jim Cloud wrote:

 I agree that the Nitto F-15 rack is very solid.  It also mounts on a 
 handlebar without marring the bar in any way, which isn't often the 
 case. 

 Some of the Japanese bag makers (e.g. guu Watanabe) use the F-15 for a 
 handlebar bag.  With the exchange rate of the Yen-to-Dollar these bags 
 are very expensive however.  Here's a link that shows a bag from guu 
 Watanabe with the F-15 rack:  
 http://www.guu-watanabe.com/frontretroe.html 

 Jim Cloud 
 Tucson, AZ 

 On Jul 10, 12:02 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I went with two separate shock cords.  One for the left and one for the 
  right.  I did not loop it over the top at all. 
  
  Pictures tell the story better than I could describe 
  
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7544704434/in/photostream 
  
  The next several shots in my photostream show how I close the bag. 
  
  Testimonial for the F-15 rack.  I am blown away how rigid that thing 
 is.  I 
  was not expecting it to be very rigid, with that tuning fork design, I 
 was 
  expecting to see the thing bounce all over the place, like those bent 
 steel 
  ones we've all seen in the 70's and 80's.  This rack is freaking solid. 
  I 
  am really really impressed with it. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  On Monday, July 9, 2012 5:12:33 PM UTC-7, William wrote: 
  
   Cute!  Thanks Jim!  I've downloaded both and saved 'em.  So you can 
 pull 
   yours down anytime. 
  
   On Monday, July 9, 2012 4:59:01 PM UTC-7, Jim Cloud wrote: 
  
   William, 
  
   I just took a couple of photos from the original Rivendell catalogs 
 of 
   the Baggins handlebar bag.  These photos may allow you to see how 
 the 
   closure system was originally designed.  It's obvious that there 
 would 
   be more than one way to use the elastic cords and barrel cord locks 
 to 
   secure the top.  Here's the photos: 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/sets/72157630504415628/ 
  
   I'll keep these photos available for a period on my Flickr 
   photostream, but they'll be deleted eventually.  I hope you find 
 them 
   useful. 
  
   Jim Cloud 
   Tucson, AZ 
  
   On Jul 9, 12:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 
I acquired here on the list a handlebar bag setup that I have 
 installed 
   on 
my commuter bike.  It's a Nitto F-15 front rack ( 
  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r8.htm) and it came with a Baggins 
handlebar bag made to fit the rack. 
  
The bag has some brass loops and a couple of hooks to keep the lid 
   closed 
with a shock cord.  The bag, however, came with no shock cord.  I 
 have 
   a 
bunch of shock cord on hand for repairing tent poles, so, I'm 
 going to 
   go 
ahead and invent my own arrangement, but I was curious if anyone 
 can 
remember or show me what the original arrangement was supposed to 
 be? 
  
The best clue I could find was this flickr photo: 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/9180352@N06/1806202651/ 
  
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2327/1806202651_e042ec29ee_n.jpg 
  
The other constraint I have is that the center leather tap thing 
 with 
   the 
Baggins logo has no brass ring.  My first instinct is to just do 
 two 
   short 
runs of cord.  Each cord will tie to two loops, and I'll stretch 
 that 
   cord 
over one hook.  Are there any old photos from old Readers?  None 
 of 
   this is 
rocket surgery, so please, no extreme efforts.



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[RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)

2012-07-10 Thread Joan Oppel

I led a group ride this morning for one of the local bike clubs. Richard showed up with his brand new A Homer Hilsen. He's very excited about the bike, has posted here about his excitement (blueride2). It's a pretty standard Riv build. I took my Bleriot to the ride - another standard Riv build. Differences are:Bleriot has Hetres (45 front, 50 rear), AHH has Jack Browns (at 70 front and rear)Bleriot has SKS fenders, AHH is fenderless (though he is waiting for the fenders).Bleriot is a 53, AHH is a 55.Bleriot has a trunk bag and rack(multi-tool, spare, patch kit) and rack, AHH had just a tiny seatbag.Since I can ride a 55, I took Richard's bike for a short spin. Wow, was I impressed. It felt - sprightly, lively. Definitely different than the Bleriot. I'm wondering why. There's maybe a slight difference in weight between the two bikes, by feel. Is it the tires? the tubeset? Joan



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Re: [RBW] Best 700c X FAT fenders?

2012-07-10 Thread Eric Platt

Those are what I used.  They fit a 2.1 tire underneath.  But I didn't check
out any other offerings.  Just purchased the PB and went with it.  So
something may be better.

Never loaded my Fargo up too awful much, but after about 25 to 30 pounds in
the back, the front end did become a bit light and wanted to wander on some
climbs.  Again, that could be influenced by the fact I'm a heavy rider (230
or so) and that affects handling more than weight of bags, IMO.  (That's
from experience with the Fargo, Kogswell and a couple of other bikes I no
longer own.)

Will admit to having some seller's remorse over the Fargo, it was a nice
handling bike.  But just kept making me do silly long off-paved road
riding, which is not good for my hand conditions.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:07 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 What are the widest 700c fenders available -- the 60 mm Planet Bike
 ones? And of those available, which are the best in terms of value and
 sturdiness? I don't need very long ones since I generally amputate the
 rear to end just aft of the rack and, in front, prefer to use a long
 flap that will not be damaged by hitting obstacles.

 -- For the Fargo, now that our monsoon is here.

 ('Nother question: for your Fargo owners or former owners: what have
 you found to be the best weight distribution, front vs rear, for loads
 of 30 to 50 lb?)

 Thanks.

 --
 When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville.

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[RBW] Re: Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)

2012-07-10 Thread islaysteve

My barely-educated guess: mostly the loading on your Bleriot.  Then the 
tires/pressures.  I realize that that part is highly debatable. I doubt 
it's the tubeset, but... 
Steve


On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:32:37 PM UTC-4, Joan wrote:

  I led a group ride this morning for one of the local bike clubs.  Richard 
 showed up with his brand new A Homer Hilsen.  He's very excited about the 
 bike, has posted here about his excitement (blueride2).  It's a pretty 
 standard Riv build.  I took my Bleriot to the ride - another standard Riv 
 build.  
 Differences are: 
 Bleriot has Hetres (45 front, 50 rear),  AHH has Jack Browns (at 70 front 
 and rear)
 Bleriot has SKS fenders, AHH is fenderless (though he is waiting for the 
 fenders).
 Bleriot is a 53, AHH is a 55.
 Bleriot has a trunk bag and rack(multi-tool, spare, patch kit) and rack, 
 AHH had just a tiny seatbag.

 Since I can ride a 55, I took Richard's bike for a short spin.  Wow, was I 
 impressed.  It felt - sprightly, lively.  Definitely different than the 
 Bleriot.  

 I'm wondering why.  There's maybe a slight difference in weight between 
 the two bikes, by feel.  Is it the tires?  the tubeset?  
 Joan


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Re: [RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)

2012-07-10 Thread James Warren


I've had the same experience in comparing a SH to an AHH: same fit, similar 
toptube, both set up with similar 36-spoke wheels, Brooks saddles, and typical 
Nitto Aluminum bits.  Both with Jack Brown greens. The big difference in the 
frames was 60 cm SH with 6 degree toptube slope versus a 65 cm AHH with a 1.5 
degree toptube slope, but the bar height relative to saddle was the same. AHH's 
chainstay was 0.5 cm shorter! There's faerie dust on those AHH's!

- Jim


On Jul 10, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Joan Oppel wrote:

  I led a group ride this morning for one of the local bike clubs.  Richard 
 showed up with his brand new A Homer Hilsen.  He's very excited about the 
 bike, has posted here about his excitement (blueride2).  It's a pretty 
 standard Riv build.  I took my Bleriot to the ride - another standard Riv 
 build.  
 Differences are: 
 Bleriot has Hetres (45 front, 50 rear),  AHH has Jack Browns (at 70 front and 
 rear)
 Bleriot has SKS fenders, AHH is fenderless (though he is waiting for the 
 fenders).
 Bleriot is a 53, AHH is a 55.
 Bleriot has a trunk bag and rack(multi-tool, spare, patch kit) and rack, AHH 
 had just a tiny seatbag.
 
 Since I can ride a 55, I took Richard's bike for a short spin.  Wow, was I 
 impressed.  It felt - sprightly, lively.  Definitely different than the 
 Bleriot.  
 
 I'm wondering why.  There's maybe a slight difference in weight between the 
 two bikes, by feel.  Is it the tires?  the tubeset?  
 Joan
 
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[RBW] Re: Shock cord arrangement ideas for the Baggins handlebar bag

Hee hee!
 
Well, don't expect to win Best in Show with your results. But let no one 
deny the sheer Value of your CorroBoxyPlastyBarRack Bag!
 
I think Rixen  Kaul make a less expensive (and frankly more versatile) 
version of the Nitto F-15. Might want to check it out :)
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:05:04 PM UTC-5, William wrote:

 You know me, Thomas.  I'm going to go the opposite directionI'm going 
 to make my own F-15 compatible bag/box out of corroplast.  :)

 I've made two corroplast handlebar bags already, and plan on making 
 stiffeners for this floppy Baggins bag.  An F-15 compatible corroplast box 
 will be next.  

 Bill

 On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:21:25 PM UTC-7, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

 Yeah... someday when my ship has come in... when I can toss thousands 
 around here and there...  when I'd say you know, this Hillborne'd be 
 perfect if it were a 60.5cm frame and its fork had 3mm less trail... so 
 make me a custom!...  when I can roll out my 7cm-14cm Nitto lugged steel 
 stem collection like a set of allen wrenches... at that point I'd purchase 
 an F-15-compatible handlebar bag from Guu Watanabe and feel great about it. 
 Guu Watanabe bags just look sooo good.
  
 Mind you, I'm not saying I'll wait 'til then. I may just do it and get 
 the hell over not feeling great about it. But for now I resist!
  
 (Oh, and I'd also want a full set of panniers and a couple of rack trunks 
 and maybe I'd buy a Brompton so I could get one of their front bags for it.)
  
 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

 On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:54:10 PM UTC-5, Jim Cloud wrote:

 I agree that the Nitto F-15 rack is very solid.  It also mounts on a 
 handlebar without marring the bar in any way, which isn't often the 
 case. 

 Some of the Japanese bag makers (e.g. guu Watanabe) use the F-15 for a 
 handlebar bag.  With the exchange rate of the Yen-to-Dollar these bags 
 are very expensive however.  Here's a link that shows a bag from guu 
 Watanabe with the F-15 rack:  
 http://www.guu-watanabe.com/frontretroe.html 

 Jim Cloud 
 Tucson, AZ 

 On Jul 10, 12:02 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I went with two separate shock cords.  One for the left and one for 
 the 
  right.  I did not loop it over the top at all. 
  
  Pictures tell the story better than I could describe 
  
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7544704434/in/photostream 
  
  The next several shots in my photostream show how I close the bag. 
  
  Testimonial for the F-15 rack.  I am blown away how rigid that thing 
 is.  I 
  was not expecting it to be very rigid, with that tuning fork design, I 
 was 
  expecting to see the thing bounce all over the place, like those bent 
 steel 
  ones we've all seen in the 70's and 80's.  This rack is freaking 
 solid.  I 
  am really really impressed with it. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  On Monday, July 9, 2012 5:12:33 PM UTC-7, William wrote: 
  
   Cute!  Thanks Jim!  I've downloaded both and saved 'em.  So you can 
 pull 
   yours down anytime. 
  
   On Monday, July 9, 2012 4:59:01 PM UTC-7, Jim Cloud wrote: 
  
   William, 
  
   I just took a couple of photos from the original Rivendell catalogs 
 of 
   the Baggins handlebar bag.  These photos may allow you to see how 
 the 
   closure system was originally designed.  It's obvious that there 
 would 
   be more than one way to use the elastic cords and barrel cord locks 
 to 
   secure the top.  Here's the photos: 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/sets/72157630504415628/ 
  
   I'll keep these photos available for a period on my Flickr 
   photostream, but they'll be deleted eventually.  I hope you find 
 them 
   useful. 
  
   Jim Cloud 
   Tucson, AZ 
  
   On Jul 9, 12:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 
I acquired here on the list a handlebar bag setup that I have 
 installed 
   on 
my commuter bike.  It's a Nitto F-15 front rack ( 
  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r8.htm) and it came with a Baggins 
handlebar bag made to fit the rack. 
  
The bag has some brass loops and a couple of hooks to keep the 
 lid 
   closed 
with a shock cord.  The bag, however, came with no shock cord.  I 
 have 
   a 
bunch of shock cord on hand for repairing tent poles, so, I'm 
 going to 
   go 
ahead and invent my own arrangement, but I was curious if anyone 
 can 
remember or show me what the original arrangement was supposed to 
 be? 
  
The best clue I could find was this flickr photo: 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/9180352@N06/1806202651/ 
  
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2327/1806202651_e042ec29ee_n.jpg 
  
The other constraint I have is that the center leather tap thing 
 with 
   the 
Baggins logo has no brass ring.  My first instinct is to just do 
 two 
   short 
runs of cord.  Each cord will tie to two loops, and I'll stretch 
 that 
   cord 
over one hook.  Are there any old photos from old Readers?  None 
 of 
   this is 
rocket

[RBW] Today's ramble.

The weather here in Portland has been beautiful lately. Downright 
exceptional over the past three days while I was at work. I woke up this 
morning and it was cooler but could tell it would burn off. My wife is out 
of town and we have a puppy so I can't get away for all day rides but I did 
get in a 3hr ramble passing through Forest Park twice. When I first entered 
Forest Park and ended up taking Fire Rd 1 which I had never ridden before. 
It's quite steep in parts and so I just dismounted and just walked a few 
sections which was fine. I was on my Hilsen and one area where it doesn't 
do so great is steep scrabbly climbs. I guess I could have muscled up the 
climb but that just didn't seem fun. I exited Forest Park and headed up to 
Skyline on the pavement and took that for a little ways before dropping 
back down into Forest Park via Saltzman and made my way down to Hwy 30 and 
across the St Johns Bridge and back home, stopping for tacos and ice cream 
along the way. 

It was just a really great ride. I was on my Hilsen with platform pedals 
and wearing some Musa shorts and an LL Bean seersucker/hiking shirt I 
recently purchased on sale. The shirt worked well except for on descents 
where it tends to flap in the wind a bit too much for my taste. I guess I 
could tuck it in and the problem would be solved. 

After spending so much time focused on randonneuring for the past couple of 
months it was really nice to just get out for a ramble. I'll do some 
variation on the ride tomorrow and the next day. When my wife returns I'll 
hopefully get out for an overnight camping trip.

Here's a photo set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157630519177722/

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Best 700c X FAT fenders?

Thanks for those comments, Eric. Yes, the Fargo certainly does invite
off road rambles (luckily here the rains have arrived and at least
some of the dirt roads nar the river are again open to the public).

The PBs are a wee bit narrower than the 60 mm BAs, but they stop the
spray perfectly well. I just wonder if there are any fenders wider
yet. Certainly the PBs are a good buy.

The front end does get light with 30 lb in the rear, which is why I
want to experiment with distributing most or at least more of it to
the front: am waiting to operate on my two pairs of Axiom Dutch
panniers so that each side can be mounted separately.

Odd: neither the Fargo nor the current Riv handle rear loads as well
as the Motobecane and my first, 1995 Riv, even though the Motobecane
is very light 531 tubing and the '95 Riv was light 753 with short
(42.5 cm) stays and a steeper head (73 versus the current Rivs' 72.5
or so). The Riv waggles with as little as 25 lb while the Motobecane
was steady with 10 lb more. The old Riv handled 30 lb in rear panniers
with aplomb -- I could ride it no hands at 10 mph as well as at 20.
Wonder what geometry/tubing/etc makes for good rear load handling? All
three have very stiff racks, either Fly -- Motobecane and '95 Riv;
Logo (Fargo) or -- current Riv -- custom, 10 mm stainless steel tubing
which is at least as stiff as the Fly.



On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Those are what I used.  They fit a 2.1 tire underneath.  But I didn't check
 out any other offerings.  Just purchased the PB and went with it.  So
 something may be better.

 Never loaded my Fargo up too awful much, but after about 25 to 30 pounds in
 the back, the front end did become a bit light and wanted to wander on some
 climbs.  Again, that could be influenced by the fact I'm a heavy rider (230
 or so) and that affects handling more than weight of bags, IMO.  (That's
 from experience with the Fargo, Kogswell and a couple of other bikes I no
 longer own.)

 Will admit to having some seller's remorse over the Fargo, it was a nice
 handling bike.  But just kept making me do silly long off-paved road riding,
 which is not good for my hand conditions.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:07 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 What are the widest 700c fenders available -- the 60 mm Planet Bike
 ones? And of those available, which are the best in terms of value and
 sturdiness? I don't need very long ones since I generally amputate the
 rear to end just aft of the rack and, in front, prefer to use a long
 flap that will not be damaged by hitting obstacles.

 -- For the Fargo, now that our monsoon is here.

 ('Nother question: for your Fargo owners or former owners: what have
 you found to be the best weight distribution, front vs rear, for loads
 of 30 to 50 lb?)

 Thanks.

 --
 When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville.

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Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.

Beautiful setting and the Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for the jaunt.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 The weather here in Portland has been beautiful lately. Downright
 exceptional over the past three days while I was at work. I woke up this
 morning and it was cooler but could tell it would burn off. My wife is out
 of town and we have a puppy so I can't get away for all day rides but I did
 get in a 3hr ramble passing through Forest Park twice. When I first entered
 Forest Park and ended up taking Fire Rd 1 which I had never ridden before.
 It's quite steep in parts and so I just dismounted and just walked a few
 sections which was fine. I was on my Hilsen and one area where it doesn't do
 so great is steep scrabbly climbs. I guess I could have muscled up the
 climb but that just didn't seem fun. I exited Forest Park and headed up to
 Skyline on the pavement and took that for a little ways before dropping back
 down into Forest Park via Saltzman and made my way down to Hwy 30 and across
 the St Johns Bridge and back home, stopping for tacos and ice cream along
 the way.

 It was just a really great ride. I was on my Hilsen with platform pedals and
 wearing some Musa shorts and an LL Bean seersucker/hiking shirt I recently
 purchased on sale. The shirt worked well except for on descents where it
 tends to flap in the wind a bit too much for my taste. I guess I could tuck
 it in and the problem would be solved.

 After spending so much time focused on randonneuring for the past couple of
 months it was really nice to just get out for a ramble. I'll do some
 variation on the ride tomorrow and the next day. When my wife returns I'll
 hopefully get out for an overnight camping trip.

 Here's a photo set:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157630519177722/

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: Cool knobbly tires at BG

2012-07-10 Thread ted

70 psi seems like a lot for a 40+ mm tire. Might they be skinnier at
say half that?
I have some quasi-motos, and if I pump them way up they seem to grow a
fair bit.

On Jul 10, 10:22 am, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote:
 No doubt - these are good tires, I wish I had more clearance. In that shot,
 look at the top, and you'll see the chain links, for perspective. There's
 just not enough room for a quarter to slip past the chainstays, at least
 not on my 66cm QuickBeam.

 The BG site says they're 43 mm wide, the informative sheet that ships with
 the tires says they're 44mm wide, and my own measurements (across widest
 points) showed 45.3 mm. I guess different rims might change the profile, I
 have Velocity Dyads and I measured the tires with approx 70 psi inflation.

 BTW, I have a buyer for the tires.

 - Andrew, Berkeley







 On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:44:03 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

  Hey there Andrew -

  And another thanks from me - I've been reading Mike-out-at-Black
  Mountain Cycles posts regarding larger knobbier knibblies.  He spoke
  well of the BG tires.

 http://www.blackmtncycles.com/2012/07/been-long-time.html

  It did seem that in one of the early photos -
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/71141757@N02/7531761196

  you had more than a quarter's width at the chainstays.  Is that
  correct, or just an artifact of the image?

  - Jim

  Jim Edgar / Cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.

*I guess I could have muscled up the climb but that just didn't seem fun.* 
 
Grant has a new entry on the Blug which addresses this: Sometimes we ride 
our bikes in certain ways, and in certain conditions, which may qualify as 
exercise/endurance/accomplishment, but fun they are not. I finished a ride 
a few days ago that ends in a long steep climb, and as I was grinding away 
in low gear at a walking pace, having no fun at all 'cause I was tired, it 
dawned on me, Why am I doing this? I finished the hill on foot, 
stretching my legs and looking around. It was fun.
 
Joe No thanks, I'll walk Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:43:28 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Beautiful setting and the Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for the 
 jaunt. 

 On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: 
  The weather here in Portland has been beautiful lately. Downright 
  exceptional over the past three days while I was at work. I woke up this 
  morning and it was cooler but could tell it would burn off. My wife is 
 out 
  of town and we have a puppy so I can't get away for all day rides but I 
 did 
  get in a 3hr ramble passing through Forest Park twice. When I first 
 entered 
  Forest Park and ended up taking Fire Rd 1 which I had never ridden 
 before. 
  It's quite steep in parts and so I just dismounted and just walked a few 
  sections which was fine. I was on my Hilsen and one area where it 
 doesn't do 
  so great is steep scrabbly climbs. I guess I could have muscled up the 
  climb but that just didn't seem fun. I exited Forest Park and headed up 
 to 
  Skyline on the pavement and took that for a little ways before dropping 
 back 
  down into Forest Park via Saltzman and made my way down to Hwy 30 and 
 across 
  the St Johns Bridge and back home, stopping for tacos and ice cream 
 along 
  the way. 
  
  It was just a really great ride. I was on my Hilsen with platform pedals 
 and 
  wearing some Musa shorts and an LL Bean seersucker/hiking shirt I 
 recently 
  purchased on sale. The shirt worked well except for on descents where it 
  tends to flap in the wind a bit too much for my taste. I guess I could 
 tuck 
  it in and the problem would be solved. 
  
  After spending so much time focused on randonneuring for the past couple 
 of 
  months it was really nice to just get out for a ramble. I'll do some 
  variation on the ride tomorrow and the next day. When my wife returns 
 I'll 
  hopefully get out for an overnight camping trip. 
  
  Here's a photo set: 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157630519177722/ 
  
  --mike 
  
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Re: [RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)

The Bleriot and SH were/are built with thicker tubes than the AHH, correct? 
My AHH felt very springy/lively, just like my Romulus did. I would say both 
are more road-only lighter-load biased than the Bleriot and Hillborne. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:10:16 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 I've had the same experience in comparing a SH to an AHH: same fit, 
 similar toptube, both set up with similar 36-spoke wheels, Brooks saddles, 
 and typical Nitto Aluminum bits.  Both with Jack Brown greens. The big 
 difference in the frames was 60 cm SH with 6 degree toptube slope versus a 
 65 cm AHH with a 1.5 degree toptube slope, but the bar height relative to 
 saddle was the same. AHH's chainstay was 0.5 cm shorter! There's faerie 
 dust on those AHH's!

 - Jim


 On Jul 10, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Joan Oppel wrote:

  I led a group ride this morning for one of the local bike clubs.  Richard 
 showed up with his brand new A Homer Hilsen.  He's very excited about the 
 bike, has posted here about his excitement (blueride2).  It's a pretty 
 standard Riv build.  I took my Bleriot to the ride - another standard Riv 
 build.  
 Differences are: 
 Bleriot has Hetres (45 front, 50 rear),  AHH has Jack Browns (at 70 front 
 and rear)
 Bleriot has SKS fenders, AHH is fenderless (though he is waiting for the 
 fenders).
 Bleriot is a 53, AHH is a 55.
 Bleriot has a trunk bag and rack(multi-tool, spare, patch kit) and rack, 
 AHH had just a tiny seatbag.

 Since I can ride a 55, I took Richard's bike for a short spin.  Wow, was I 
 impressed.  It felt - sprightly, lively.  Definitely different than the 
 Bleriot.  

 I'm wondering why.  There's maybe a slight difference in weight between 
 the two bikes, by feel.  Is it the tires?  the tubeset?  
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Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.

Jealous, while I roast in hellhole NYC.  It was 80 riding around at 11pm
last night, bl
On Jul 10, 2012 6:28 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 The weather here in Portland has been beautiful lately. Downright
 exceptional over the past three days while I was at work. I woke up this
 morning and it was cooler but could tell it would burn off. My wife is out
 of town and we have a puppy so I can't get away for all day rides but I did
 get in a 3hr ramble passing through Forest Park twice. When I first entered
 Forest Park and ended up taking Fire Rd 1 which I had never ridden before.
 It's quite steep in parts and so I just dismounted and just walked a few
 sections which was fine. I was on my Hilsen and one area where it doesn't
 do so great is steep scrabbly climbs. I guess I could have muscled up the
 climb but that just didn't seem fun. I exited Forest Park and headed up to
 Skyline on the pavement and took that for a little ways before dropping
 back down into Forest Park via Saltzman and made my way down to Hwy 30 and
 across the St Johns Bridge and back home, stopping for tacos and ice cream
 along the way.

 It was just a really great ride. I was on my Hilsen with platform pedals
 and wearing some Musa shorts and an LL Bean seersucker/hiking shirt I
 recently purchased on sale. The shirt worked well except for on descents
 where it tends to flap in the wind a bit too much for my taste. I guess I
 could tuck it in and the problem would be solved.

 After spending so much time focused on randonneuring for the past couple
 of months it was really nice to just get out for a ramble. I'll do some
 variation on the ride tomorrow and the next day. When my wife returns I'll
 hopefully get out for an overnight camping trip.

 Here's a photo set:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157630519177722/

 --mike

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Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:03:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 *I guess I could have muscled up the climb but that just didn't seem 
 fun.* 
  
 Grant has a new entry on the Blug which addresses this: Sometimes we ride 
 our bikes in certain ways, and in certain conditions, which may qualify as 
 exercise/endurance/accomplishment, but fun they are not. I finished a ride 
 a few days ago that ends in a long steep climb, and as I was grinding away 
 in low gear at a walking pace, having no fun at all 'cause I was tired, it 
 dawned on me, Why am I doing this? I finished the hill on foot, 
 stretching my legs and looking around. It was fun.
  
 Joe No thanks, I'll walk Bernard


You're right Joe. Sometimes is it's best to use your two-step gear. I'm 
gonna read Grant's post now.

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Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.

2012-07-10 Thread cyclotourist

I'm going to escape to beautiful Minneapolis-West to escape
thishttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7546362462/in/photostream,
so keep that good weather for another two weeks!!!

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 The weather here in Portland has been beautiful lately. Downright
 exceptional over the past three days while I was at work. I woke up this
 morning and it was cooler but could tell it would burn off. My wife is out
 of town and we have a puppy so I can't get away for all day rides but I did
 get in a 3hr ramble passing through Forest Park twice. When I first entered
 Forest Park and ended up taking Fire Rd 1 which I had never ridden before.
 It's quite steep in parts and so I just dismounted and just walked a few
 sections which was fine. I was on my Hilsen and one area where it doesn't
 do so great is steep scrabbly climbs. I guess I could have muscled up the
 climb but that just didn't seem fun. I exited Forest Park and headed up to
 Skyline on the pavement and took that for a little ways before dropping
 back down into Forest Park via Saltzman and made my way down to Hwy 30 and
 across the St Johns Bridge and back home, stopping for tacos and ice cream
 along the way.

 It was just a really great ride. I was on my Hilsen with platform pedals
 and wearing some Musa shorts and an LL Bean seersucker/hiking shirt I
 recently purchased on sale. The shirt worked well except for on descents
 where it tends to flap in the wind a bit too much for my taste. I guess I
 could tuck it in and the problem would be solved.

 After spending so much time focused on randonneuring for the past couple
 of months it was really nice to just get out for a ramble. I'll do some
 variation on the ride tomorrow and the next day. When my wife returns I'll
 hopefully get out for an overnight camping trip.

 Here's a photo set:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157630519177722/

 --mike

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Re: [RBW] mini rando bag

2012-07-10 Thread BrettG

I happened to be on the site this morning at *exactly* 9am snagging a 
medium saddlebag (one of my favorite bags and I wanted one for another 
bike).  I noted that the new mini rando bag mentioned was sold in less than 
a minute this morning so keep that in mind.  Most of the bags were, in 
fact, sold out in just a few minutes!

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:49:41 AM UTC-7, Mayfly wrote:

 They are a small cottage industry.quality and craftmanship are superb. 
 Demand always exceeds supply, so ask to be notified when a new batch will 
 be offered, they are batched by color. You will receive a heads-up email 
 and be prepared to buy quickly... They sell out in hours. 
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[RBW] Re: Today's ramble.

2012-07-10 Thread Tony Lockhart

Mike..Absolutely amazing. Those trails seem so serene and calm. I 
really wish places like that existed in LA. BTW, checked out you flickr 
photos and the bike looks great.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:28:44 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:

 The weather here in Portland has been beautiful lately. Downright 
 exceptional over the past three days while I was at work. I woke up this 
 morning and it was cooler but could tell it would burn off. My wife is out 
 of town and we have a puppy so I can't get away for all day rides but I did 
 get in a 3hr ramble passing through Forest Park twice. When I first entered 
 Forest Park and ended up taking Fire Rd 1 which I had never ridden before. 
 It's quite steep in parts and so I just dismounted and just walked a few 
 sections which was fine. I was on my Hilsen and one area where it doesn't 
 do so great is steep scrabbly climbs. I guess I could have muscled up the 
 climb but that just didn't seem fun. I exited Forest Park and headed up to 
 Skyline on the pavement and took that for a little ways before dropping 
 back down into Forest Park via Saltzman and made my way down to Hwy 30 and 
 across the St Johns Bridge and back home, stopping for tacos and ice cream 
 along the way. 

 It was just a really great ride. I was on my Hilsen with platform pedals 
 and wearing some Musa shorts and an LL Bean seersucker/hiking shirt I 
 recently purchased on sale. The shirt worked well except for on descents 
 where it tends to flap in the wind a bit too much for my taste. I guess I 
 could tuck it in and the problem would be solved. 

 After spending so much time focused on randonneuring for the past couple 
 of months it was really nice to just get out for a ramble. I'll do some 
 variation on the ride tomorrow and the next day. When my wife returns I'll 
 hopefully get out for an overnight camping trip.

 Here's a photo set:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157630519177722/

 --mike


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[RBW] PM to me please: Santa Monica bike shop rec.

2012-07-10 Thread grant

For a customer. He'll get a bike and wants the shop to do final bit of 
reassembly. I'd like to be able to send him to a shop that can deal with, 
for example, a new Hunqapillar with Bosco bars and a threaded headset and 
not treat it like a fresh dinosaur. 
It's possible I'll get zero to fifteen responses. Thank you all in advance, 
and it's s busy/understaffed here I won't be able to muster more than a 
quick thanks, but I will mean it. 
Hmm?

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Re: [RBW] Best 700c X FAT fenders?

2012-07-10 Thread Philip Williamson

My Cascadias are larger than 60mm Big Apples: 
http://www.biketinker.com/2012/fine-bikes/state-of-the-bikes-3-14-12/
The tire in back is a temporary smaller tire.

Send me your Sno-Cats, and I'll send you these wheels, and your Planet Bike 
fenders will fit your Big Apples...

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[RBW] Re: Best 700c X FAT fenders?

2012-07-10 Thread Frank Brose

A number of years back I had Berthouds on a 700c Atlantis with Big
Apples for shoes. Can't remember what the width was on the Berthouds
but it was a nice combo.

On Jul 10, 11:07 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 What are the widest 700c fenders available -- the 60 mm Planet Bike
 ones? And of those available, which are the best in terms of value and
 sturdiness? I don't need very long ones since I generally amputate the
 rear to end just aft of the rack and, in front, prefer to use a long
 flap that will not be damaged by hitting obstacles.

 -- For the Fargo, now that our monsoon is here.

 ('Nother question: for your Fargo owners or former owners: what have
 you found to be the best weight distribution, front vs rear, for loads
 of 30 to 50 lb?)

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Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.

Not at all. Sometimes it is fun to push yourself, particularly on
hills. You can't make a valid general statement like that below --
it's simply not true universally speaking.

I don't give a flying fuck about exercise and endurance, and my
endurance is laughable, but I do, repeat do, and I repeat it in all
sincerity, that I DO enjoy pushing myself, at times, particularly up
hills. If cycling held no challenges, I'd give it up and take up
walking.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sometimes we ride
 our bikes in certain ways, and in certain conditions, which may qualify as
 exercise/endurance/accomplishment, but fun they are not.


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Re: [RBW] PM to me please: Santa Monica bike shop rec.

My brother says Bicycle Workshop, 1638 Ocean Park Blvd, Santa Monica
-- across from Santa Monica College, says my brother Peter who is
intimately familiar with Santa Monica and its bike shops.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:11 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote:
 For a customer. He'll get a bike and wants the shop to do final bit of
 reassembly. I'd like to be able to send him to a shop that can deal with,
 for example, a new Hunqapillar with Bosco bars and a threaded headset and
 not treat it like a fresh dinosaur.
 It's possible I'll get zero to fifteen responses. Thank you all in advance,
 and it's s busy/understaffed here I won't be able to muster more than a
 quick thanks, but I will mean it.
 Hmm?

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Re: [RBW] Best 700c X FAT fenders?

You will have to pry my SnoCats out of my cliche'd cold, dead hands.
Cascadias it is, tho'.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Philip Williamson
philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:
 My Cascadias are larger than 60mm Big Apples: 
 http://www.biketinker.com/2012/fine-bikes/state-of-the-bikes-3-14-12/
 The tire in back is a temporary smaller tire.

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Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.

Read it again. I didn't say climbing/endurance is never fun. I said 
sometimes we bike in ways that are not fun because we have other goals for 
that type of ride even if it's not fun that day. My point is that in bygone 
days I would have stuck that climb out because, well, that's what you do: 
Keep pedaling. On this day I realized, A). I'm not having fun, and, B). 
walking might be nice. It was.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:38:59 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Not at all. Sometimes it is fun to push yourself, particularly on 
 hills. You can't make a valid general statement like that below -- 
 it's simply not true universally speaking. 

 I don't give a flying fuck about exercise and endurance, and my 
 endurance is laughable, but I do, repeat do, and I repeat it in all 
 sincerity, that I DO enjoy pushing myself, at times, particularly up 
 hills. If cycling held no challenges, I'd give it up and take up 
 walking. 

 On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Sometimes we ride 
  our bikes in certain ways, and in certain conditions, which may qualify 
 as 
  exercise/endurance/accomplishment, but fun they are not. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Best 700c X FAT fenders?

60 mm Big Apples? Hmm. Must check 'em out.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Frank Brose fkbr...@gmail.com wrote:
 A number of years back I had Berthouds on a 700c Atlantis with Big
 Apples for shoes. Can't remember what the width was on the Berthouds
 but it was a nice combo.

 On Jul 10, 11:07 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 What are the widest 700c fenders available -- the 60 mm Planet Bike
 ones? And of those available, which are the best in terms of value and
 sturdiness? I don't need very long ones since I generally amputate the
 rear to end just aft of the rack and, in front, prefer to use a long
 flap that will not be damaged by hitting obstacles.

 -- For the Fargo, now that our monsoon is here.

 ('Nother question: for your Fargo owners or former owners: what have
 you found to be the best weight distribution, front vs rear, for loads
 of 30 to 50 lb?)

 Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.

OK, sorry that I misread. As long as I can push myself (lightly) on climbs.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Read it again. I didn't say climbing/endurance is never fun. I said
 sometimes we bike in ways that are not fun because we have other goals for
 that type of ride even if it's not fun that day. My point is that in bygone
 days I would have stuck that climb out because, well, that's what you do:
 Keep pedaling. On this day I realized, A). I'm not having fun, and, B).
 walking might be nice. It was.

 On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:38:59 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Not at all. Sometimes it is fun to push yourself, particularly on
 hills. You can't make a valid general statement like that below --
 it's simply not true universally speaking.

 I don't give a flying fuck about exercise and endurance, and my
 endurance is laughable, but I do, repeat do, and I repeat it in all
 sincerity, that I DO enjoy pushing myself, at times, particularly up
 hills. If cycling held no challenges, I'd give it up and take up
 walking.

 On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
  Sometimes we ride
  our bikes in certain ways, and in certain conditions, which may qualify
  as
  exercise/endurance/accomplishment, but fun they are not.


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[RBW] Question about Riv Custom on Ebay

2012-07-10 Thread Peter M

So a friend of mine (seriously, not me!) wants to know if this custom
on ebay will take a 650b/hetre conversion. I am not too familiar with
these older Rivs so thought I would ask if anyone here has done this
kind of thing. I would think the Dia-compe Mod 750s would get you the
reach but again, will the bb drop be too much and will it even fit the
Hetres or is this guy dreaming? He really wants a 650b/Hetre bike but
wants something more roady than the AHH/SH since he is only 135lbs.
Just spitballing here, thanks all. Link to bike on the Bay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/120947913999?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item1c290eb50f

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[RBW] What Now? and other books.

I saw that RBW is now selling What Now? I imagine it's gotta be pretty go 
for them to go to the trouble of carrying it. Anyone here read it or intent 
to read it? I've only ever read one book by Anne Patchett--State of Wonder. 
It was okay. I need to read Bel Canto as I've had a lot of people recommend 
it.

Since this tends to be a time of year where people get away for bike 
camping and vacation, I'm wondering what people are reading or planning to 
read this summer? I just started Buried in the Sky and really like it. In 
fact, I need to pull myself away from the computer and spend some time 
reading it. 

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Re: [RBW] Today's ramble.

For the record, I had already climbed a long fun time. It was the last 
super-steep part I walked. Yesterday I rode the whole thing 'cause I felt 
like it. 

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:46:17 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 OK, sorry that I misread. As long as I can push myself (lightly) on 
 climbs. 

 On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Read it again. I didn't say climbing/endurance is never fun. I said 
  sometimes we bike in ways that are not fun because we have other goals 
 for 
  that type of ride even if it's not fun that day. My point is that in 
 bygone 
  days I would have stuck that climb out because, well, that's what you 
 do: 
  Keep pedaling. On this day I realized, A). I'm not having fun, and, B). 
  walking might be nice. It was. 
  
  On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:38:59 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: 
  
  Not at all. Sometimes it is fun to push yourself, particularly on 
  hills. You can't make a valid general statement like that below -- 
  it's simply not true universally speaking. 
  
  I don't give a flying fuck about exercise and endurance, and my 
  endurance is laughable, but I do, repeat do, and I repeat it in all 
  sincerity, that I DO enjoy pushing myself, at times, particularly up 
  hills. If cycling held no challenges, I'd give it up and take up 
  walking. 
  
  On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com 
 wrote: 
   Sometimes we ride 
   our bikes in certain ways, and in certain conditions, which may 
 qualify 
   as 
   exercise/endurance/accomplishment, but fun they are not. 
  
  
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Re: [RBW] Question about Riv Custom on Ebay

2012-07-10 Thread cyclotourist

I don't think any Rivendells have ever had less than 70mm of drop. Unless
it was a very custom-custom, plan on 70, and don't be surprised to have it
be 72 or 73. That's on the edge of 650b compatibility. The 750s should work
fine and I see a cable hanger in the front, but Tektro 559s would be
perfect as well. Fitting Hetres would would just be a guess... maybe, maybe
not. It's going to be a chunk of change for a guess if you can't confirm
measurements from the seller.

I'd recommend getting a 650B AHH and build it up super-light if that's what
he wants. It could be as roadie as he can afford! :-)

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

So a friend of mine (seriously, not me!) wants to know if this custom
on ebay will take a 650b/hetre conversion. I am not too familiar with
these older Rivs so thought I would ask if anyone here has done this
kind of thing. I would think the Dia-compe Mod 750s would get you the
reach but again, will the bb drop be too much and will it even fit the
Hetres or is this guy dreaming? He really wants a 650b/Hetre bike but
wants something more roady than the AHH/SH since he is only 135lbs.
Just spitballing here, thanks all. Link to bike on the Bay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/120947913999?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item1c290eb50f

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Re: [RBW] Question about Riv Custom on Ebay

Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure roadieism
and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he still thinks of
anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot heavy, while wanting
simultanously to jump on the 650b Bandwagon. He did ride the AHH I had
and loved it so I think I just need to turn the screws a bit tighter. I am
tired of carrying around his stuff since his CF rig has no capacity at all
and is really only good for going fast over smooth pavement in perfect
weather, haha.

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I'd recommend getting a 650B AHH and build it up super-light if that's
what he wants. It could be as roadie as he can afford! :-)

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Re: [RBW] Question about Riv Custom on Ebay

2012-07-10 Thread cyclotourist

Maybe try a 650b conversion on one of his current bikes? He wouldn't get
Hetres on it, but maybe the GB
Cyprèshttp://www.compasscycle.com/tires_gb_650_32.htmlwould fit. If
he likes it at that point, he could then commit to getting a
bike built for 650b and already have the wheelset and brakes ready to go.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure
roadieism and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he still thinks
of anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot heavy, while wanting
simultanously to jump on the 650b Bandwagon. He did ride the AHH I had
and loved it so I think I just need to turn the screws a bit tighter. I am
tired of carrying around his stuff since his CF rig has no capacity at all
and is really only good for going fast over smooth pavement in perfect
weather, haha.

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I'd recommend getting a 650B AHH and build it up super-light if that's
what he wants. It could be as roadie as he can afford! :-)

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Re: [RBW] Question about Riv Custom on Ebay

Your friend needs to be disabused of the notion that the AHH is not a road
bike. My Romulus was a pure 700c road bike like that Ebay Riv, and my AHH
rode like the Romulus. Hilsen can be used for medium-load touring and
gravel treks, but it is not a touring bike. It's a 650b road bike.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:23:25 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure
roadieism and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he still thinks
of anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot heavy, while wanting
simultanously to jump on the 650b Bandwagon. He did ride the AHH I had
and loved it so I think I just need to turn the screws a bit tighter. I am
tired of carrying around his stuff since his CF rig has no capacity at all
and is really only good for going fast over smooth pavement in perfect
weather, haha.

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I'd recommend getting a 650B AHH and build it up super-light if that's
what he wants. It could be as roadie as he can afford! :-)

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/120947913999?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item1c290eb50f

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