RE: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Abcyclehank]

I don't know if your amazing build encourages me to keep my 52cm Clementine 
frame or sell it.  Hard to compete with your impressive builds.

Sincerely, 
Ryan "winter storm entrenched in West Michigan"

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[RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[Garth]

*The most confusing thread and description of a shifter ever !*

  
> *Use: They click but don’t index. Out of the package and not on a bike, 
> they click about 18 times. In the span of shifting over a 9-sp cassette, 
> they click about 13 times. This sounds trick or confusing, but it isn’t at 
> all. Like a with a pure friction shifter, you move the lever til the shift 
> is made. With these levers, the first three clicks coincide with the small 
> three cogs. After that, it takes two clicks to get the subsequent cogs. 
> Now, I totally understand if this weirds you out, but don’t run away so 
> fast—nobody on Planet Earth has shifted these levers even 1/20th as much as 
> I have, and I’m telling you, it is a cinch. In the mid and upper range, one 
> click isn’t enough, but two clicks are.*


 If they are truly friction shifting(meaning they can be moved hi-lo and 
lo-hi in one continuous motion) they are "pure friction"* regardless of any 
clicks/noises *they may make !  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[dstein]

Definitely have some interest in people wanting to buy a 48cm Hunq. Anyone 
have a 52cm AHH they're willing to sell (frame/fork preferred but also open 
to complete)? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Eric Norris]

I use Sturmey-Archer's S3X hub, which has a reasonably wide range, coupled with 
a spin-on singlespeed freewheel to allow coasting. The top gear (3rd) is direct 
drive (the most efficient on any IGH), and the bottom gear (1st) is about 60% 
of top. With a 72-inch top gear, that puts the lowest gear at about 43 inches, 
which is low enough for me for all but the steepest pitches.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/28/2015 02:19 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
>> I've done a lot of riding on 3-speed equipped bikes, including my venerable 
>> (first gen) Quickbeam, which I converted from a fixed gear several years 
>> ago. Only very seldom have I had to resort to the 24-inch gear (two feet). 
>> 
>> Remember that, back in the day, bikes with 3-speed IGHs were much more 
>> common, and were used for the same type of riding that we now do with 
>> 21-speed bicycles. There's much to said for the simplicity of a 3-speed bike.
> 
> Much to be said about the inadequate low gear offered by a 25% reduction and 
> the monstrous, enormous step up to a high gear that is 33% higher, too.  Some 
> of the 4 speed Sturmeys offered a much better selection of gears, in my 
> opinion.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[Kainalu]

The clicks are very close together, so you do settle in one click at a time in 
one direction, but it's smooth friction in the other direction, same as the 
cheapies I expect. As for adjusted riding styles, I think adjusted shifting 
styles is more like it, and a mild adjustment at that. 
-Kai 
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[A CT Cyclist]

I understood their description but  they should specify that right side 
implies mounting on the outside of the handlebar. Cus when you say thumb 
shifter it implies shifting w/the thumb. 

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 5:19:21 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
> *The most confusing thread and description of a shifter ever !*
>
>   
>> *Use: They click but don’t index. Out of the package and not on a bike, 
>> they click about 18 times. In the span of shifting over a 9-sp cassette, 
>> they click about 13 times. This sounds trick or confusing, but it isn’t at 
>> all. Like a with a pure friction shifter, you move the lever til the shift 
>> is made. With these levers, the first three clicks coincide with the small 
>> three cogs. After that, it takes two clicks to get the subsequent cogs. 
>> Now, I totally understand if this weirds you out, but don’t run away so 
>> fast—nobody on Planet Earth has shifted these levers even 1/20th as much as 
>> I have, and I’m telling you, it is a cinch. In the mid and upper range, one 
>> click isn’t enough, but two clicks are.*
>
>
>  If they are truly friction shifting(meaning they can be moved hi-lo and 
> lo-hi in one continuous motion) they are "pure friction"* regardless of 
> any clicks/noises *they may make !  
>

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[RBW] Rivendell Relaxed Rear Geometry & Actual Effect

[William deRosset]

>1.  Is the relaxed rear geometry >something you can feel when compared to 
>>other frames??
>
>2.  Do you see it as a positive??

Hello,

1. It is not noticeable as long as the saddle position can be obtained. It is 
one ingredient in bike fit. 

2. In my case, I like a fair bit of setback, and Brooks saddles, which require 
additional setback as well. I visited the Alex Singer shop in 2011, and 
Olivier, the proprietor, pointed to my machine's (72.5 degree) seat tube and 
said, "That is too slack." The (plastic) saddle was centered in its adjustment 
range, and I needed every bit of that extra 7mm (and a high-setback seatpost) 
to use a Brooks Professional. My Alex Singer had been built with a 74deg seat 
angle, and I did not ever really work out the position on it for long distance 
riding.

Best Regards,

Will

William M deRosset
Fort Collins, CO


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[RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[Joe Bernard]

This thread is really making me appreciate my cheapie thumbies with the 
incredibly cheapie-looking red stickers. They mount on the bar like 
thumbshifters you shift with your thumb, and stop at whatever spot you push 
them to, regardless of noise/click. Easy peasy!

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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Montclair BobbyB]

Bravo, Hank! Nice work, master teacher Tom!
The torch has been lit...

BB

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[RBW] Re: Rapid Rise Rear Der

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I used a rapid rise derailer with friction shifters for several years on my 
load carrier. I could never get the reverse motion to become intuitive. 
This of course after decades of "normal" shifting. I finally, this fall, 
replaced the rapid rise with a normal rear derailer. For now when I drop my 
rear hand to the level, there is just a brief moment of indecision. But I 
am sure I can be cured of my imperfect indoctrination given enough time on 
the lever.

Joe "in GJT where it's all snow bike all the time right now and it was -3F 
for my morning commute and gawd I miss New Mexico" Ramey

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>
>
>  Rapid Rise was doomed before it even started !  If it was such a great 
> idea then why didn't they make all shifting that way, mtb and road ?  ... 
> ___ .  exactly .  Saying it was good for some and not the other 
> right there doomed it.  A solution to problem that didn't exist. 
>

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[RBW] FS: small riv saddlebag, carradice "super c" panniers, grunden bike poncho

[Brencho]

hey folks,

selling some stuff that hasn't seen much use recently, or in some cases, at 
all!

1. carradice super c rear panniers, huge capacity, thick duck cotton 
fabric, used a couple times, in perfect shape. $150
2. rivendell vegan saddlebag, the small tan one that looks like the XS 
saddlesack, forget the name. brand new. $50
3. grunden's bike poncho, for rainy days, used a couple times. $70

we could do a bay area in person exchange, but also happy to ship! 

shoot me an email for pictures and stuff, brencho (at) gmail.com

happy holidays,
brencho

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[RBW] Re: What stem?

[Lungimsam]

Lay the Alba over the stem and bar setup that's on the bike now and see where 
the bar lies in comparison. Change stem out if needed. May not need to change 
the stem if the bar looks like it will be where you want it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[David Stein]

Shoji, that helps a lot hearing that the AHH is noticeably the 'faster'
bike. That is what I'm looking for, something that serves as an errand
bike, bike camping bike, and is faster than my hunq on road rides which
would be 70% of the rides on it.

The Jones plus is unbelievably fantastic, but I have it setup with 3"
treaded tires at 10 psi for technical trail riding. It is slower going up
hill than the Hunq, but much cushier and more comfortable of a ride on
technical trails than the Hunq which I desparately needed. It handles
surprisingly well. And I was just as fast on it as I was on a Trek Fuel 9.9
(top of the line) demo ride I did. Some people get a 2nd wheelset for this
with slick tires and higher psi for road riding and swear buy it, maybe I
will one day but since the front wheel needs a 135mm hub, it's not
something I can just go buy and Jones wheelbuilder price on their site has
it at $1K for a wheelset, maybe another time.

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[RBW] Clementine: Weird tire tubes

[Paul Clifton]

For curiosity's sake, would you post a photo of the valve stem? Sounds like 
some sort of defect to me.

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[RBW] Re: Clementine: Weird tire tubes

[Ron Mc]

If you buy one Hirame pump head, you'll be a junkie for life 
 
http://www.tracksupermarket.com/index.php?main_page=product_info_id=665

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[Joe Bernard]

I have the old SunRace cheapie thumbies Riv used to sell. They make a clicky 
noise like power-ratchets, but you can hold the shifter in between clicks. Do 
the one-at-a-time shifters operate this way, or do they have to land on a click?

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[RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[nathaniel nichols]

Found this on local CL, not mine, but I would think the dropout would make it 
shift funny or just kinda annoying to change a flat..idk looks fun though
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/5375840206.html

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[RBW] Re: Columbus, OH

[RobbeR49]

I'm in Columbus also, although I'm not an actual Riv owner either. 

There's another Roll right next door to a Trek store in Upper Arlington, I 
will often go to these just because they're closer to me. Most Rivish place 
I've been to is probably Paradise Garage.

Go Bucks

On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 12:52:29 PM UTC-5, Dan Scott wrote:
>
> Just moved to the Columbus, OH (New Albany) and wondering if any others 
> Riv owners here and also looking for a Riv type bike shop in the area. 

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[RBW] Re: So how lively is the Clem?

[masmojo]

I like the description "Stately"; I think that sums it up nicely.  I would not 
describe it as lively,  but it does not feel dead either.  To me Its just the 
sort of bike that does not wow you, it impesses in small subtle ways and it 
endears itself to you slowly over time.
I have the Clementine which is essentially the same thing as the Clem., but I 
rode the Clem demo in Walnut Creek in June & I would say the non-step through 
frame is slightly more "lively". 
I rode with a 20lb. front load in a Wald basket yesterday and it was real nice 
with the load evenly distributed I was curious to see if I could ride with no 
hands so I tried it and I could easily do it. I didn't really because I did not 
want to take the chance of the load shifting suddenly & me landing on my head!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Elephant NFE f/f/hs 700c 60cm, lowtrail, couplers

[lukeheller]

My custom 700c canti Elephant NFE with couplers is back up for sale.

I rode it for 2 years and successfully completed three 1200km grand 
randonnees - most recently the well-known Paris-Brest-Paris in August of 
2015.

It's got typical signs of use and that of being packed a few times in an 
S case. After I got back from France, i stripped the frame and touched up 
some of the nicks with a powdercoat touch-up spray paint with a matched 
RAL# to prevent and potential for moisture getting underneath the powder. 
Buyer can have the can of touch paint - there's plenty.

full disclosure - I had a silly fall right before PBP and had Brad Wilson 
of Capricorn Bikes in Marshall, NC re-rake fork and check alignment of the 
frame. Everything is in tip-top shape. He inspected for cracks and anything 
concerning - all good.

Your choice of brakes - $50
TRP CX8.4 - on the bike now
Cane Creek SCX5 - near new condition

Seatpost binder included - just recently upgraded to a KCNC SC13, blue 
(clamps frame AND post) - ti bolts

Headset included. I think I even have a spare NIB that I'll include for an 
extra $35 if the buyer wants. 

Frame takes a Bruce Gorden Rock n Road 700x43 with room to spare and is 
equally suited for some skinny 28's.

If you want a full rando setup, we can talk dynamo lights and wheel 
package. The wheels are fresh. Front wheel was rebuilt before PBP, rear 
wheel built with DT Swiss350 right after PBP. Both on PL23 Pacenti rims

Now $1500 shipped.



On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 at 5:30:47 PM UTC-4, lukeheller wrote:
>
> bump for a super bike. would consider package deal with the dynamo 
> Supernova headlight+taillight. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, August 29, 2014 2:45:54 PM UTC-4, lukeheller wrote:
>>
>> This bike is still in my fleet but I'm considering selling it.
>>
>> Frame built in May 2013. It's been my main bike for the last year and I 
>> flew with it 3x. Pics in the link below are from when it was freshly built. 
>> So it looks like it's been ridden for a year since then but it good 
>> condition. Removed decals on toptube and seattube. NDS sticker scratched 
>> from travel but I have some spares in ORANGE or I can check with Glenn 
>> about getting some fresh ones. 
>>
>> Fits 35's with fenders. May even fit bigger but haven't tried. Generator 
>> light wire guides. 
>>
>> It's pictured with a Cane Creek 110 headset but it will come with the ano 
>> blue Token needle bearing HS (looks very similar) I have on there now to 
>> minimize shimmy. 
>>
>> $1500 + shipping F/F/HS
>> matching Tubus fly Stainless Steel rack +$100, rarely used
>>
>> pics/info here:
>> http://forums.thepaceline.net/showth...light=elephant 
>> 
>>
>> Geo
>> HTA: ?
>> STA: 71.5*
>> ETT: 60.75
>> Actual TT: 59.5
>> ST c-c: 56.5
>> ST c-t: 60
>> Chainstay: 44cm
>> Trail: 40mm
>> Dropout spacing: 130mm
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What stem?

[iamkeith]

I should have added:  Being able to swap back and forth between the two 
bars, I'm leaning heavily toward the Bosco.  The reason I have the 
Albatross is that I've tried it on several bikes and just not found a place 
where it works for me. It always feels too narrow.  But on such a huge bike 
as the 59 Clem, the issue is exaggerated even more.   I DO understand the 
desire to lower the Bosco though.   In addition to getting a negative-rise 
stem (which doesn't help in your case), I think I'm going to do the 
"unthinkable," and cut the steerer tube down a bit.  I will probably also 
go with a longer (at least 130, probably 140) stem, which will help get 
some more lean without having to cut length off the bar and thereby 
preclude the third hand position.  Food for thought...

On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 11:37:03 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I happen to have an albatross and a non-bullmoose bosco bar, along with 
> several different stems, sitting with my un-finished clem at the moment.  I 
> could take snapshots with both bars together, and take some measurements of 
> the distance between clamp locations if it helps.   I've been experimenting 
> and trying to find something that feels like it will work too, but i have 
> the advantage of not having brake levers, shifters or grips installed yet. 
>  Clem is the same size as yours.   
>
> On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 1:37:40 AM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> In the next couple days I'm putting an order in for some Alba bars and 
>> tallux stem for my Clem. My 59cm Clem has the stock bosco bull moose and 
>> I'm looking for group input on what length stem to buy. 
>>
>> As we know the bosco bullmoose has a 12cm extension and I'm just 
>> wondering how that should translate to an Alba conversion. It seems the 
>> Alba extends past the clamp area at the "humps", in effect, increasing the 
>> reach in the forward grip. This leads me to think I should go for a shorter 
>> stem, say 11cm. 
>>
>> I like the current fit and reach on my Clem and if anything I wouldn't 
>> mind a more aggressive position - less rise, more lean, shorter grip. 
>>
>> Does anyone have any personal experience in switching between bosco and 
>> albatross and what conclusions were drawn? 
>>
>> Thanks for your time and input. 
>>
>> Tim 
>> Vancouver, BC
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: SPD Shoes/pedals and Walky Dog

[WETH]

Shoes and pedals are sold.
Walky Dog still available.

2) Walky Dog Exerciser bike attachment which is well used with some superficial 
rust.  Incorporate man's best friend into your lugged steal riding.  Link here 
for product description of a newer model: 
http://www.amazon.com/Walky-Dog-Exerciser-strength-Paracord/dp/B003OYIAW4
This item is at least 6 years old. Please see photos as what you see is what 
you get: https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N08/0GP80T
$20 shipped CONUS-PayPal please.

Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: Clementine: Weird tire tubes

[Abcyclehank]

Reid,
I agree that it is frustrating dealing with a presta valve without threads for 
the first time.  However like most other things it gets easier- do I wish all 
still has threads yes does it save money for the manufacturer likely.  
Sometimes progress for profit leads us backwards.  I am on my "final" pump 
ever, a Silca with a coupled head, which seems to handle every conceivable tube 
imaginable.  That was my solution to years of frustration with various tubes 
and pumps.
Best of luck hope other than the tube issue your wife loves her Clementine.  
Building my wife's up as well as I am 90% done with our move and the 1st Winter 
Storm Warning is hitting West Michigan.

Sincerely,
Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Clementine: Weird tire tubes

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

That type stem is common on road tubes mostly with long stems . If using an 
older pump with a worn fitting it might have trouble gripping the stem and 
leaking while pumping.
If you prefer threaded just exchange them out with a tube with a threaded 
stem.
Jon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[Robert Bolesta]

I've got them set up like this too. I think Riv calls it the "inside" 
position. I've been riding them for about 6 months now on bosco bars with 
an 8spd cassette and triple crank and like em.

Only complaint is sometimes I wanna make a slight tweak to the rear 
derailleur position as I'm riding, and in order to do so I have to make a 
"full click" which sometimes turns out to be enough to unintentionally 
shift to the next cog. This would probably make them a no-go for a lot of 
folks, but I have learned when to expect this issue and adjusted my riding 
to avoid it. So not a big deal for me. Plus they are fun to use, so I'm all 
for them.


On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 1:42:57 AM UTC-5, Patrick Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got the one-at-a-time shifters on a marin "urban 29er" 
> (hamilton). I have them mounted "backwards" which really seems like 
> the right way to me, if you want to call them "thumb shifters". With 
> this "backwards" mounting, they actually are operable by your 
> thumb(s). 
>
> Basically, I love them. I'm shifting on a 3x8 drivetrain, FWIW. 
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 7:55 PM, A CT Cyclist  > wrote: 
> > Has anyone here used these shifters? I'm thinking of trying the right 
> > shifter for a 1 x 7 . 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:53:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Johnston 
> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Maybe just read what it says on the Rivpage: 
> >> 
> >> " ... Trivia: These are actually made for shifting Sturmey archer 
> internal 
> >> gear hubs (SunRace bought Sturmey-Archer several years ago). We figured 
> out 
> >> that — easily and slickly and with no monkey business, but just a 
> slight 
> >> factory switcheroo, they work with derailer gears. At first we thought 
> this 
> >> required mounting the right one on the inside of the bar and lefty on 
> the 
> >> outside, but then Spencer here figured out that a SunRace right bar-end 
> >> shifter lever on a left SunRace pod allowed perfect symmetry, as though 
> it 
> >> were ordained from on high. SunRace was delighted, too. 
> >> 
> >> Use: They click but don’t index. Out of the package and not on a bike, 
> >> they click about 18 times. In the span of shifting over a 9-sp 
> cassette, 
> >> they click about 13 times." 
> >> 
> >> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 3:05:27 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I was buying some parts locally, and saw that I could get Sunrace 
> >>> shifters for cheaper than on rivbike. One is good, friction and all. 
> >>> left-hand-side shifter mounted on the right pod for use on an 
> albatross. 
> >>> 
> >>> The other is an index. 
> >>> 
> >>> Went and bought another shifter, but turns out thats a 3speed index, 
> not 
> >>> friction. 
> >>> 
> >>> What the heck? I cannot find the same ones sold on RivBike (they say 
> M90 
> >>> and Friction on them). 
> >>> 
> >>> Any ideas other than "just buy from Riv"? 
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[RBW] Re: Clementine: Weird tire tubes

[Ron Mc]

I use latex tubes in 3/5 bikes, and they have slick valve stems.  I push 
them to the side to put on a pump head, but again, because of the way a 
Hirame pump head works, it goes on with no friction.  

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 11:48:56 AM UTC-6, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Reid,
> I agree that it is frustrating dealing with a presta valve without threads 
> for the first time.  However like most other things it gets easier- do I 
> wish all still has threads yes does it save money for the manufacturer 
> likely.  Sometimes progress for profit leads us backwards.  I am on my 
> "final" pump ever, a Silca with a coupled head, which seems to handle every 
> conceivable tube imaginable.  That was my solution to years of frustration 
> with various tubes and pumps.
> Best of luck hope other than the tube issue your wife loves her 
> Clementine.  Building my wife's up as well as I am 90% done with our move 
> and the 1st Winter Storm Warning is hitting West Michigan.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan
>

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[RBW] Rivendell Relaxed Rear Geometry & Actual Effect

[Marc40a]

I compensate for the slackened STA of my Hillborne with a zero setback 
seatpost. 

Your figures correlate with mine Approx 6mm difference for each half degree 
of setback, if I remember correctly.

As to whether the relaxed geometry is a positive or a negative, I don't think 
of it that way . Maybe I would if I couldn't position myself where I needed to 
be on the bike (assuming I had the correct frame size). I look at the bike's 
design as a whole because changing one aspect of the geometry would undoubtedly 
affect others. The bottom line for me is that my bike feels amazing and I have 
the fit really dialed in. 








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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[WETH]

That is a beautiful build and bike!  How wonderful that you enjoyed fabulous 
moments with your son over a shared hobby! Happy New Year!
-Erl 

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[RBW] Re: My Gift to the Bunch

[John Price]

Wow, thanks for posting that Marty.

Very touching, brings a tear to my eyes.

All, thanks for the warm wishes about Esprit.  She was a good ol' girl and 
would've loved meeting you all.

John

On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 3:42:57 AM UTC-7, MartyG wrote:
>
> John - thanks for letting us in on a little piece of history, and sorry to 
>>> hear of your loss. I suspect that first Saluki badge was the only badge 
>>> based on a living member of a bunch-member household, making it quite 
>>> special. ( Apologies if anyone here modeled Romulus..) That crown worn by 
>>> Esprit is no doubt a halo now, and those happy eyes will shine on. 
>>>
>>
>
> 
>  
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[RBW] Re: Christmas Clementine

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

What a beautiful bike -- I love your choice of components and color 
schemes. Well done, sir!

The House of Talents baskets are indeed very nice; my wife has one:
https://flic.kr/p/ftpLxo

Bob E


On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 12:47:17 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> A really great part of Christmas this year for me was building up a 
> Clementine with my son as a gift for his girlfriend.  He's always been 
> interested in bikes, and more so since he rode on the Bobby Birmingham-led 
> Riv Rally East rides a few years back, riding a couple of loaner Rivs.  I 
> gave him my SimpleOne a couple of years ago, and he rides it all over 
> Washington, D.C.  Anyway, he wanted to build a bike for his g/f, and he was 
> very interested in learning how to do it himself, with the result that we 
> got to spend some real quality time together doing something fun over the 
> holiday week.  Pics of the result are below.  It's a 52cm frame, Nitto 
> Bullmoose Bosco handlebars, VO grips, Paul levers and Moto-lite brakes, 
> some kind of thumb shifter for the 1 X 8 drive train, Stronglight 49D crank 
> and Bespoke Chainrings "Solida Cats" chainring, VO Sabot pedals, SOMA 
> Edison taillight and Torpedo battery headlight, Tanaka ivory painted alloy 
> fenders, red Hetres, a slightly used honey B-17, and a House of Talents 
> basket (which I strongly recommend – link here:  
> http://houseoftalents.com/ ).  This is an absolutely wonderful bike – 
> rides like a dream. 
>

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[RBW] What stem?

[Tim Wood]

Thanks everyone for the input. I sent a PM to Keith requesting comparison 
photos of the albas and Boscos on the Clem but maybe others would want to see 
them, Keith up to you if you want to post them here. 

A lot of my desire to do a bar switch is fit related, but some of it has to do 
with aesthetics as I don't love the bull moose. I like the look of a level 
quill stem versus the positive angle and triangular set up of the bull moose. 

I think a tallux stem with an Alba bar would give me the drop and lean I am 
looking for, taking in to account the -40mm difference between bars only, and 
the further difference between the stem angle of the two styles. 

I never really considered the width of the Alba to be a deal breaker, or 
concern, and this is the first time I'm hearing about that being an issue. All 
other reviews and comments I read about the bars is that people love them and 
often never look back once installed. The width of the boscos is pretty extreme 
and I can't see wanting to go any wider. As it stands you have to be pretty 
focused riding through traffic and on narrow bridge decks or passing others on 
paths. I would be happy  with a reduction in width. 

Sounds like I've made my decision! Sometimes writing out your thoughts is all 
you need to do. Thanks for being the sounding board!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[Zach Duval]

What's the actual tire clearance for the 48 Hunqs?

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RE: [RBW] Re: Long shot WTB -- 52cm blue Clementine

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

And any time you want some advice on workshops or those wooden rimmed wheels, 
give me a shout!

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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Long shot WTB -- 52cm blue Clementine

Pudge,
It is the slightly darker Frechish blue w/ cream accents.  I have parts to 
build several complete Rivendell bikes for family members (wife, adult children 
and their future spouses) now that my fleet is complete.  So the frame only 
option is my best avenue; however I think the current deals on complete bikes 
being offered by Grant and company is a great direction to take RBW.  Although 
with a 99.5cm PBH everything currently offered is undersized for me however 
because my means has increased now my children have graduated college and both 
successfully entered the work force (my future and last Rivendell with be a 
Custom Mystery Model or Giant Multi-purpose Mixte.
I might be touching base with you about my new workshop and advise about some 
of those sweet, wood rim wheels you build.

Sincerely,
Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[A CT Cyclist]

Ahh, so if you want to mount them on the inside of your handle bar, like 
Riv shows on the video you put the left on the right and the right on left? 
This is kind of confusing since Riv refers to them as right one at a time 
and left one at a time thumb shifters.

On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 1:42:57 AM UTC-5, Patrick Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got the one-at-a-time shifters on a marin "urban 29er" 
> (hamilton). I have them mounted "backwards" which really seems like 
> the right way to me, if you want to call them "thumb shifters". With 
> this "backwards" mounting, they actually are operable by your 
> thumb(s). 
>
> Basically, I love them. I'm shifting on a 3x8 drivetrain, FWIW. 
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 7:55 PM, A CT Cyclist  > wrote: 
> > Has anyone here used these shifters? I'm thinking of trying the right 
> > shifter for a 1 x 7 . 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:53:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Johnston 
> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Maybe just read what it says on the Rivpage: 
> >> 
> >> " ... Trivia: These are actually made for shifting Sturmey archer 
> internal 
> >> gear hubs (SunRace bought Sturmey-Archer several years ago). We figured 
> out 
> >> that — easily and slickly and with no monkey business, but just a 
> slight 
> >> factory switcheroo, they work with derailer gears. At first we thought 
> this 
> >> required mounting the right one on the inside of the bar and lefty on 
> the 
> >> outside, but then Spencer here figured out that a SunRace right bar-end 
> >> shifter lever on a left SunRace pod allowed perfect symmetry, as though 
> it 
> >> were ordained from on high. SunRace was delighted, too. 
> >> 
> >> Use: They click but don’t index. Out of the package and not on a bike, 
> >> they click about 18 times. In the span of shifting over a 9-sp 
> cassette, 
> >> they click about 13 times." 
> >> 
> >> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 3:05:27 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I was buying some parts locally, and saw that I could get Sunrace 
> >>> shifters for cheaper than on rivbike. One is good, friction and all. 
> >>> left-hand-side shifter mounted on the right pod for use on an 
> albatross. 
> >>> 
> >>> The other is an index. 
> >>> 
> >>> Went and bought another shifter, but turns out thats a 3speed index, 
> not 
> >>> friction. 
> >>> 
> >>> What the heck? I cannot find the same ones sold on RivBike (they say 
> M90 
> >>> and Friction on them). 
> >>> 
> >>> Any ideas other than "just buy from Riv"? 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[Belopsky]

Yes. If you want to mount on the inside:
You buy the left and mount it on the right and you buy the right and mount 
it on the left.

FWIW: if you want the same type on left and right, just buy from Rivbike. 
>From all I could tell, they had a custom setup made. The 'stock' Sunrace 
'3speed' friction one only 
: 
http://smartbikeparts.com/search_details.php?itm=SBP19104=COijlqKj_8kCFQgGaQodfRAC5w
 
< is a right-side-only setup. You could mount this on the inside of the 
left. You cannot however buy two of these or swap the mounts or whatever

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 2:04:05 PM UTC-5, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>
> Ahh, so if you want to mount them on the inside of your handle bar, like 
> Riv shows on the video you put the left on the right and the right on left? 
> This is kind of confusing since Riv refers to them as right one at a time 
> and left one at a time thumb shifters.
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 1:42:57 AM UTC-5, Patrick Kelly wrote:
>>
>> I've got the one-at-a-time shifters on a marin "urban 29er" 
>> (hamilton). I have them mounted "backwards" which really seems like 
>> the right way to me, if you want to call them "thumb shifters". With 
>> this "backwards" mounting, they actually are operable by your 
>> thumb(s). 
>>
>> Basically, I love them. I'm shifting on a 3x8 drivetrain, FWIW. 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 7:55 PM, A CT Cyclist  wrote: 
>> > Has anyone here used these shifters? I'm thinking of trying the right 
>> > shifter for a 1 x 7 . 
>> > 
>> > On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:53:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Johnston 
>> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> Maybe just read what it says on the Rivpage: 
>> >> 
>> >> " ... Trivia: These are actually made for shifting Sturmey archer 
>> internal 
>> >> gear hubs (SunRace bought Sturmey-Archer several years ago). We 
>> figured out 
>> >> that — easily and slickly and with no monkey business, but just a 
>> slight 
>> >> factory switcheroo, they work with derailer gears. At first we thought 
>> this 
>> >> required mounting the right one on the inside of the bar and lefty on 
>> the 
>> >> outside, but then Spencer here figured out that a SunRace right 
>> bar-end 
>> >> shifter lever on a left SunRace pod allowed perfect symmetry, as 
>> though it 
>> >> were ordained from on high. SunRace was delighted, too. 
>> >> 
>> >> Use: They click but don’t index. Out of the package and not on a bike, 
>> >> they click about 18 times. In the span of shifting over a 9-sp 
>> cassette, 
>> >> they click about 13 times." 
>> >> 
>> >> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 3:05:27 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I was buying some parts locally, and saw that I could get Sunrace 
>> >>> shifters for cheaper than on rivbike. One is good, friction and all. 
>> >>> left-hand-side shifter mounted on the right pod for use on an 
>> albatross. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> The other is an index. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Went and bought another shifter, but turns out thats a 3speed index, 
>> not 
>> >>> friction. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> What the heck? I cannot find the same ones sold on RivBike (they say 
>> M90 
>> >>> and Friction on them). 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Any ideas other than "just buy from Riv"? 
>> > 
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[RBW] Re: Rapid Rise Rear Der

[Garth]

 Rapid Rise was doomed before it even started !  If it was such a great 
idea then why didn't they make all shifting that way, mtb and road ?  ... 
___ .  exactly .  Saying it was good for some and not the other 
right there doomed it.  A solution to problem that didn't exist. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Smart Sam & Vee Rubber V12 Tires

[David Banzer]

The Sams are the 2.1 size - larger than what Riv stocks.

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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[islaysteve]

Very nice. What a great experience for you and your son!

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[RBW] Re: Christmas Clementine

[Pondero]

Lovely!  The color, proportions, and build.  Well done, sir!

Chris Johnson
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[RBW] Re: Christmas Clementine

[hsmitham]

As always a fantastic build! I alway enjoy your builds. Merry Christmas and 
Happy New Year!

~Hugh

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
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> A really great part of Christmas this year for me was building up a 
> Clementine with my son as a gift for his girlfriend.  He's always been 
> interested in bikes, and more so since he rode on the Bobby Birmingham-led 
> Riv Rally East rides a few years back, riding a couple of loaner Rivs.  I 
> gave him my SimpleOne a couple of years ago, and he rides it all over 
> Washington, D.C.  Anyway, he wanted to build a bike for his g/f, and he was 
> very interested in learning how to do it himself, with the result that we 
> got to spend some real quality time together doing something fun over the 
> holiday week.  Pics of the result are below.  It's a 52cm frame, Nitto 
> Bullmoose Bosco handlebars, VO grips, Paul levers and Moto-lite brakes, 
> some kind of thumb shifter for the 1 X 8 drive train, Stronglight 49D crank 
> and Bespoke Chainrings "Solida Cats" chainring, VO Sabot pedals, SOMA 
> Edison taillight and Torpedo battery headlight, Tanaka ivory painted alloy 
> fenders, red Hetres, a slightly used honey B-17, and a House of Talents 
> basket (which I strongly recommend – link here:  
> http://houseoftalents.com/ ).  This is an absolutely wonderful bike – 
> rides like a dream.  I think Grant hit it out of the park with this one.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[A CT Cyclist]

I don't like the sound of that. What do you mean you adjust your riding 
style?

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 12:51:19 PM UTC-5, Robert wrote:
>
> I've got them set up like this too. I think Riv calls it the "inside" 
> position. I've been riding them for about 6 months now on bosco bars with 
> an 8spd cassette and triple crank and like em.
>
> Only complaint is sometimes I wanna make a slight tweak to the rear 
> derailleur position as I'm riding, and in order to do so I have to make a 
> "full click" which sometimes turns out to be enough to unintentionally 
> shift to the next cog. This would probably make them a no-go for a lot of 
> folks, but I have learned when to expect this issue and adjusted my riding 
> to avoid it. So not a big deal for me. Plus they are fun to use, so I'm all 
> for them.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 1:42:57 AM UTC-5, Patrick Kelly wrote:
>>
>> I've got the one-at-a-time shifters on a marin "urban 29er" 
>> (hamilton). I have them mounted "backwards" which really seems like 
>> the right way to me, if you want to call them "thumb shifters". With 
>> this "backwards" mounting, they actually are operable by your 
>> thumb(s). 
>>
>> Basically, I love them. I'm shifting on a 3x8 drivetrain, FWIW. 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 7:55 PM, A CT Cyclist  wrote: 
>> > Has anyone here used these shifters? I'm thinking of trying the right 
>> > shifter for a 1 x 7 . 
>> > 
>> > On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:53:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Johnston 
>> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> Maybe just read what it says on the Rivpage: 
>> >> 
>> >> " ... Trivia: These are actually made for shifting Sturmey archer 
>> internal 
>> >> gear hubs (SunRace bought Sturmey-Archer several years ago). We 
>> figured out 
>> >> that — easily and slickly and with no monkey business, but just a 
>> slight 
>> >> factory switcheroo, they work with derailer gears. At first we thought 
>> this 
>> >> required mounting the right one on the inside of the bar and lefty on 
>> the 
>> >> outside, but then Spencer here figured out that a SunRace right 
>> bar-end 
>> >> shifter lever on a left SunRace pod allowed perfect symmetry, as 
>> though it 
>> >> were ordained from on high. SunRace was delighted, too. 
>> >> 
>> >> Use: They click but don’t index. Out of the package and not on a bike, 
>> >> they click about 18 times. In the span of shifting over a 9-sp 
>> cassette, 
>> >> they click about 13 times." 
>> >> 
>> >> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 3:05:27 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I was buying some parts locally, and saw that I could get Sunrace 
>> >>> shifters for cheaper than on rivbike. One is good, friction and all. 
>> >>> left-hand-side shifter mounted on the right pod for use on an 
>> albatross. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> The other is an index. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Went and bought another shifter, but turns out thats a 3speed index, 
>> not 
>> >>> friction. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> What the heck? I cannot find the same ones sold on RivBike (they say 
>> M90 
>> >>> and Friction on them). 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Any ideas other than "just buy from Riv"? 
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[RBW] Rapid Rise Rear Der

[Utah]

I just visited the Riv HQ and test rode a few of the bikes.  The guys in 
the store (Vince and Will) were awesome and patient with my excitement for 
my pilgrimage to Mecca!  

My question: All of the bikes were Rapid Rise (backward in the rear, hmm 
bassackward?).  Is there a reason why?  I also bought my wife a used Betty 
Foy with a rapid rise rear Der and I am currently not planning on changing 
it.  But she is going to be in for a rude awakening if she ever steps off 
her Riv and rides one of her friends bikes or one of my non-Riv bikes.  She 
had Paul thumbies on her last bike.

Still excited!

Scott

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[RBW] Re: Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Pondero]

Interesting approach.  I put a 3-speed IGH (with stem shifter) on my 
Quickbeam and did a short self-supported tour with it back in May.  There 
were a few places where lower gears would have been ideal, but overall I 
enjoyed the QB in touring mode.

[image: IMG_9322]


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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Eric Norris]

I've done a lot of riding on 3-speed equipped bikes, including my venerable 
(first gen) Quickbeam, which I converted from a fixed gear several years ago. 
Only very seldom have I had to resort to the 24-inch gear (two feet). 

Remember that, back in the day, bikes with 3-speed IGHs were much more common, 
and were used for the same type of riding that we now do with 21-speed 
bicycles. There's much to said for the simplicity of a 3-speed bike.

--Eric N
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> On Dec 28, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Pondero  wrote:
> 
> Interesting approach.  I put a 3-speed IGH (with stem shifter) on my 
> Quickbeam and did a short self-supported tour with it back in May.  There 
> were a few places where lower gears would have been ideal, but overall I 
> enjoyed the QB in touring mode.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] Re: What stem?

[Garth]

  
   Think twice iamkeith ! The Bosco is-by-design much higher than any bar 
intended for such bicycles, so to cut a stem just for that one type of bar 
that is atypical may not be a great idea.  You can often find used 56cm 
Alba's FS in this group. they are more than just one cm. wide at the ends, 
the flare around the front is more round , and the angle which they go back 
is slightly less(appears more straight) than the 55cm ones. I have both and 
one on top of the other it very obvious.   Or the Albastache even @55.5cm 
is more like the 56 Alba minus the extra length back. 

  But hey, it's your darn bike  !   So take all this with a poof of wind :) 




On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 12:03:21 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I should have added:  Being able to swap back and forth between the two 
> bars, I'm leaning heavily toward the Bosco.  The reason I have the 
> Albatross is that I've tried it on several bikes and just not found a place 
> where it works for me. It always feels too narrow.  But on such a huge bike 
> as the 59 Clem, the issue is exaggerated even more.   I DO understand the 
> desire to lower the Bosco though.   In addition to getting a negative-rise 
> stem (which doesn't help in your case), I think I'm going to do the 
> "unthinkable," and cut the steerer tube down a bit.  I will probably also 
> go with a longer (at least 130, probably 140) stem, which will help get 
> some more lean without having to cut length off the bar and thereby 
> preclude the third hand position.  Food for thought...
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Relaxed Rear Geometry & Actual Effect

[Garth]

Yes, every change makes for a completely different bike !  No matter how 
small. No 2 of anything are ever alike , even the same model built by the 
same person to the same specs. etc. etc.  


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Re: [RBW] Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[cyclotourist]

So they turned a S.O. into a Legolas, but with annoying rear-facing track
ends.

If you want a Legolas, Riv will sell you one, just ask nicely on the phone.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 1:15 PM, nathaniel nichols 
wrote:

> Found this on local CL, not mine, but I would think the dropout would make
> it shift funny or just kinda annoying to change a flat..idk looks fun though
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/5375840206.html
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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build for my wife.

[A CT Cyclist]

I love that green color, they really should keep that in the lineup

On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 11:51:07 PM UTC-5, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Just finished up a new 50cm Cheviot build for my wife.  I have a couple 
> finishing details to work out, but it's about 98% there.  I thing it turned 
> out well.  Side profile has the lights mounted.  Still waiting for a basket 
> to arrive so I can mount it to the front rack.  
>
> Keith
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[RBW] Re: Christmas Clementine

[Deacon Patrick]

Beautiful bike!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 10:47:17 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
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> A really great part of Christmas this year for me was building up a 
> Clementine with my son as a gift for his girlfriend.  
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[RBW] Rapid Rise Rear Der

[Joe Bernard]

Grant was heavy into the concept of both shifters moving the same direction for 
easier/harder gears, despite its "rapid" demise in the marketplace. They came 
about as Shimano was introducing something on MTBs called Dual Control, which 
was a brake lever you nudged up or down for shifts..they didn't want the 
shifters to have opposite actions for the same move. I don't know what happened 
to the shifters, but RapidRise derailers are long gone from that market. I 
suspect Riv now owns all of them ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/28/2015 02:19 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
I've done a lot of riding on 3-speed equipped bikes, including my 
venerable (first gen) Quickbeam, which I converted from a fixed gear 
several years ago. Only very seldom have I had to resort to the 
24-inch gear (two feet).


Remember that, back in the day, bikes with 3-speed IGHs were much more 
common, and were used for the same type of riding that we now do with 
21-speed bicycles. There's much to said for the simplicity of a 
3-speed bike.


Much to be said about the inadequate low gear offered by a 25% reduction 
and the monstrous, enormous step up to a high gear that is 33% higher, 
too.  Some of the 4 speed Sturmeys offered a much better selection of 
gears, in my opinion.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[Belopsky]

You could get this and mount it on inside 
right: 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SunRace-SLM96-Friction-MTB-Thumb-Shifter-Left-Front-Includes-Cable-/262116878450?hash=item3d07622872:g:oDEAAOSwUdlWd5ov

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 2:40:12 PM UTC-5, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>
> Only trying to clarify because I have a 1x7 setup.
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Belopsky  > wrote:
>
>> Yes. If you want to mount on the inside:
>> You buy the left and mount it on the right and you buy the right and 
>> mount it on the left.
>>
>> FWIW: if you want the same type on left and right, just buy from Rivbike. 
>> From all I could tell, they had a custom setup made. The 'stock' Sunrace 
>> '3speed' friction one only : 
>> http://smartbikeparts.com/search_details.php?itm=SBP19104=COijlqKj_8kCFQgGaQodfRAC5w
>>  
>> < is a right-side-only setup. You could mount this on the inside of the 
>> left. You cannot however buy two of these or swap the mounts or whatever
>>
>> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 2:04:05 PM UTC-5, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>>
>>> Ahh, so if you want to mount them on the inside of your handle bar, like 
>>> Riv shows on the video you put the left on the right and the right on left? 
>>> This is kind of confusing since Riv refers to them as right one at a time 
>>> and left one at a time thumb shifters.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 1:42:57 AM UTC-5, Patrick Kelly wrote:

 I've got the one-at-a-time shifters on a marin "urban 29er" 
 (hamilton). I have them mounted "backwards" which really seems like 
 the right way to me, if you want to call them "thumb shifters". With 
 this "backwards" mounting, they actually are operable by your 
 thumb(s). 

 Basically, I love them. I'm shifting on a 3x8 drivetrain, FWIW. 


 On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 7:55 PM, A CT Cyclist  
 wrote: 
 > Has anyone here used these shifters? I'm thinking of trying the right 
 > shifter for a 1 x 7 . 
 > 
 > On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:53:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Johnston 
 wrote: 
 >> 
 >> Maybe just read what it says on the Rivpage: 
 >> 
 >> " ... Trivia: These are actually made for shifting Sturmey archer 
 internal 
 >> gear hubs (SunRace bought Sturmey-Archer several years ago). We 
 figured out 
 >> that — easily and slickly and with no monkey business, but just a 
 slight 
 >> factory switcheroo, they work with derailer gears. At first we 
 thought this 
 >> required mounting the right one on the inside of the bar and lefty 
 on the 
 >> outside, but then Spencer here figured out that a SunRace right 
 bar-end 
 >> shifter lever on a left SunRace pod allowed perfect symmetry, as 
 though it 
 >> were ordained from on high. SunRace was delighted, too. 
 >> 
 >> Use: They click but don’t index. Out of the package and not on a 
 bike, 
 >> they click about 18 times. In the span of shifting over a 9-sp 
 cassette, 
 >> they click about 13 times." 
 >> 
 >> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 3:05:27 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>> I was buying some parts locally, and saw that I could get Sunrace 
 >>> shifters for cheaper than on rivbike. One is good, friction and 
 all. 
 >>> left-hand-side shifter mounted on the right pod for use on an 
 albatross. 
 >>> 
 >>> The other is an index. 
 >>> 
 >>> Went and bought another shifter, but turns out thats a 3speed 
 index, not 
 >>> friction. 
 >>> 
 >>> What the heck? I cannot find the same ones sold on RivBike (they 
 say M90 
 >>> and Friction on them). 
 >>> 
 >>> Any ideas other than "just buy from Riv"? 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Smart Sam & Vee Rubber V12 Tires

[Kieran J]

Won't you need the Sams for the BMC?
;-)

KJ


On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 6:43:35 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Selling a couple pairs of tires. Funds going toward a Black Mountain 
> Monster Cross frame. 
>
> Vee Rubber V12 Tires - $65 shipped pair - 29x1.95" - folding bead, nice 
> micro tread, I rode these on a commute one day (about 15 miles) and decided 
> I can go bigger on my Clem
> Schwalbe Smart Sam Tires - 29x2.10" - wire beads, new, never mounted - $50 
> shipped
>
> Paypal Personal on these please.
> Local pickup in Chicago is fine, just kindly send payment to hold them - 
> prices less for local pickup.
> I'll be out of town until 1/2. I can send out when I'm back in town.
> Thanks,
> David
> Currently in Snohomish, WA
>
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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[James Warren]

Can a bike be any more appealing than that?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 9:45 AM, "Allingham II, Thomas J" 
>  wrote:
> 
> A really great part of Christmas this year for me was building up a 
> Clementine with my son as a gift for his girlfriend.  He's always been 
> interested in bikes, and more so since he rode on the Bobby Birmingham-led 
> Riv Rally East rides a few years back, riding a couple of loaner Rivs.  I 
> gave him my SimpleOne a couple of years ago, and he rides it all over 
> Washington, D.C.  Anyway, he wanted to build a bike for his g/f, and he was 
> very interested in learning how to do it himself, with the result that we got 
> to spend some real quality time together doing something fun over the holiday 
> week.  Pics of the result are below.  It's a 52cm frame, Nitto Bullmoose 
> Bosco handlebars, VO grips, Paul levers and Moto-lite brakes, some kind of 
> thumb shifter for the 1 X 8 drive train, Stronglight 49D crank and Bespoke 
> Chainrings "Solida Cats" chainring, VO Sabot pedals, SOMA Edison taillight 
> and Torpedo battery headlight, Tanaka ivory painted alloy fenders, red 
> Hetres, a slightly used honey B-17, and a House of Talents basket (which I 
> strongly recommend – link here:  http://houseoftalents.com/ ).  This is an 
> absolutely wonderful bike – rides like a dream.  I think Grant hit it out of 
> the park with this one.
>  
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Re: [RBW] Rapid Rise Rear Der

[cyclotourist]

I like the concept of RR. But yeah, I sure can't get used to shifting
backwards. I mis-shift a lot on the one bike I have with it.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Utah  wrote:

> I just visited the Riv HQ and test rode a few of the bikes.  The guys in
> the store (Vince and Will) were awesome and patient with my excitement for
> my pilgrimage to Mecca!
>
> My question: All of the bikes were Rapid Rise (backward in the rear, hmm
> bassackward?).  Is there a reason why?  I also bought my wife a used Betty
> Foy with a rapid rise rear Der and I am currently not planning on changing
> it.  But she is going to be in for a rude awakening if she ever steps off
> her Riv and rides one of her friends bikes or one of my non-Riv bikes.  She
> had Paul thumbies on her last bike.
>
> Still excited!
>
> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[A CT Cyclist]

Only trying to clarify because I have a 1x7 setup.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Yes. If you want to mount on the inside:
> You buy the left and mount it on the right and you buy the right and mount
> it on the left.
>
> FWIW: if you want the same type on left and right, just buy from Rivbike.
> From all I could tell, they had a custom setup made. The 'stock' Sunrace
> '3speed' friction one only :
> http://smartbikeparts.com/search_details.php?itm=SBP19104=COijlqKj_8kCFQgGaQodfRAC5w
> < is a right-side-only setup. You could mount this on the inside of the
> left. You cannot however buy two of these or swap the mounts or whatever
>
> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 2:04:05 PM UTC-5, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>
>> Ahh, so if you want to mount them on the inside of your handle bar, like
>> Riv shows on the video you put the left on the right and the right on left?
>> This is kind of confusing since Riv refers to them as right one at a time
>> and left one at a time thumb shifters.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 1:42:57 AM UTC-5, Patrick Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got the one-at-a-time shifters on a marin "urban 29er"
>>> (hamilton). I have them mounted "backwards" which really seems like
>>> the right way to me, if you want to call them "thumb shifters". With
>>> this "backwards" mounting, they actually are operable by your
>>> thumb(s).
>>>
>>> Basically, I love them. I'm shifting on a 3x8 drivetrain, FWIW.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 7:55 PM, A CT Cyclist 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Has anyone here used these shifters? I'm thinking of trying the right
>>> > shifter for a 1 x 7 .
>>> >
>>> > On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:53:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Johnston
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Maybe just read what it says on the Rivpage:
>>> >>
>>> >> " ... Trivia: These are actually made for shifting Sturmey archer
>>> internal
>>> >> gear hubs (SunRace bought Sturmey-Archer several years ago). We
>>> figured out
>>> >> that — easily and slickly and with no monkey business, but just a
>>> slight
>>> >> factory switcheroo, they work with derailer gears. At first we
>>> thought this
>>> >> required mounting the right one on the inside of the bar and lefty on
>>> the
>>> >> outside, but then Spencer here figured out that a SunRace right
>>> bar-end
>>> >> shifter lever on a left SunRace pod allowed perfect symmetry, as
>>> though it
>>> >> were ordained from on high. SunRace was delighted, too.
>>> >>
>>> >> Use: They click but don’t index. Out of the package and not on a
>>> bike,
>>> >> they click about 18 times. In the span of shifting over a 9-sp
>>> cassette,
>>> >> they click about 13 times."
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 3:05:27 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I was buying some parts locally, and saw that I could get Sunrace
>>> >>> shifters for cheaper than on rivbike. One is good, friction and all.
>>> >>> left-hand-side shifter mounted on the right pod for use on an
>>> albatross.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The other is an index.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Went and bought another shifter, but turns out thats a 3speed index,
>>> not
>>> >>> friction.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What the heck? I cannot find the same ones sold on RivBike (they say
>>> M90
>>> >>> and Friction on them).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Any ideas other than "just buy from Riv"?
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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[LeahFoy]

Wow, amazingly lovely. She's a lucky girlfriend. What will she use the bike 
for? Commuting? Errands? My MIL's 52 Clementine arrived today, and this makes 
me extra exited!!!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Smart Sam & Vee Rubber V12 Tires

[Kieran J]

Oh yeh - I forgot they came in a fatter 700c size.

Did you decide on the colour?

KJ


On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 2:27:43 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> The Sams are the 2.1 size - larger than what Riv stocks.

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[RBW] What stem?

[David Banzer]

I'm using a 12cm Tech Delux stem with Albatross bars on my 59cm Clem. This 
gives a nice semi-upright position. It's a lot of fun. 
David

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[Jim Bronson]

It's making me appreciate bar ends and Noodles.  Nobody talks about which
side and which orientation those should have.
The one bike we have in the house with albatross-like bars (soma oxford)
also has bar end shifters, not thumb mount.

I will stick to obsessing about gear ratios, you guys can talk about your
thumbies all you like, but it's not for me.  Or at least, at 45 it's not
for me yet ;)
On Dec 28, 2015 20:27, "Joe Bernard"  wrote:

> This thread is really making me appreciate my cheapie thumbies with the
> incredibly cheapie-looking red stickers. They mount on the bar like
> thumbshifters you shift with your thumb, and stop at whatever spot you push
> them to, regardless of noise/click. Easy peasy!
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[RBW] FS: parting out a bike

[David Banzer]

Photos here: http://s821.photobucket.com/user/dabanzer/library/For%20sale

Also forgot:

Electra Water Bottle Cage - copy of Nitto cage - $15 shipped
Velo Orange Moderniste Cage - $12 shipped

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[Joe Bernard]

I gave up on bar-ends for Albas. At 53 I'm officially tired of jamming those 
things into my knees ;)

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[RBW] Re: Clementine: Weird tire tubes

[Reid]

Thanks all for the feedback. If I can find a new head for one of the pumps 
that I have, that should fix the "grip" problem. If not, then I think I'll 
just swap out the tubes for ones that have threaded stems. Sheesh!

Reid


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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Tallux Stem

[Tim Wood]

Oh. And has to be 25.4. Not in to shimming. 

Thanks again. 

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[RBW] FS: parting out a bike

[David Banzer]

Shipping a bike back home from my folks' place, deciding to just bring frameset 
and wheels. 
Prices include conUS shipping. PayPal Personal payment please.

Nitto B136 Randonneur Bar Setup - 44cm bar, 11cm Nitto Technomic stem (225mm 
height) 26.0mm clamp, Shimano non-aero brake levers, faded blue cloth tape - 
$90 shipped

Shimano Cantilever Brakes - basic low-profile cantis, polished silver, w/ 
Koolstop brake pads and Tektro hangers and straddle cables - $30 shipped

27.2mm Seatpost - basic Kalloy post, scratched up - $10 shipped

46/34 110 chainrings - Sugino outer, Shimano inner, with Sugino bolts, need to 
be decreased - $15 shipped

MKS Lambda/Grip King Pedals - nice condition- $35 shipped

Shimano Derailleurs - long cage rear, front triple, low end stuff but works 
great - $15 shipped

Soma B-Line Tires - 650b 38mm folding tired w/ Pasela tread - w/ 2 presta tubes 
- $65 shipped

Suntour Downtube Shifters - shiny basic friction levers, were NOS when 
installed on a seldom ridden bike - $25 shipped

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Been meaning to ask, the Clementine is the first bike I have owned with the 
seat stay bridge having no brake or fender hole, but rather a hole that 
faces the ground. I assume I get the other two attachment points lined up, 
then drill a hole through the fender, and use a bolt with a flat head for 
the inside of the fender and whatever spacer required. Though I guess this 
way is more secure, ti seems less than ideal, and I almost would prefer the 
little clamp on bracket that I use on my other fendered bicycles.

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> Tanakas were appealing to me because they're alloy and available in Ivory 
> color 650B, 50mm wide, which for me is good enough clearance for the 42mm 
> Hetres on the Clementine (because the 'tine has a LOT of vertical room over 
> the fenders).  They're alloy, and seem quite well made, though not as fancy 
> in the hardware as Honjos.  I found them straightforward to install (within 
> the constraints of the Clementine, whose massive clearance required an 
> extra long daruma bolt and pretty long spacers on the chainstay and 
> seatstay bridges).  SOMA is running a sale on them right now – normally 
> $80, now $53).  Here's the link:  http://store.somafab.com/tafe65aliv.html 
>   The Ivory color is an extremely good match for the cream-colored details 
> on the Clementine; I didn't look, but I bet they'd also be great on cream 
> headtubed Rivs.
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Palincsar
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 2:53 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine
>
>  
>
> Nice looking bike.  I'm unfamiliar with Tanaka fenders.  Can you tell us 
> more about them?
>
> On 12/28/2015 12:45 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
>
> A really great part of Christmas this year for me was building up a 
> Clementine with my son as a gift for his girlfriend.  He's always been 
> interested in bikes, and more so since he rode on the Bobby Birmingham-led 
> Riv Rally East rides a few years back, riding a couple of loaner Rivs.  I 
> gave him my SimpleOne a couple of years ago, and he rides it all over 
> Washington, D.C.  Anyway, he wanted to build a bike for his g/f, and he was 
> very interested in learning how to do it himself, with the result that we 
> got to spend some real quality time together doing something fun over the 
> holiday week.  Pics of the result are below.  It's a 52cm frame, Nitto 
> Bullmoose Bosco handlebars, VO grips, Paul levers and Moto-lite brakes, 
> some kind of thumb shifter for the 1 X 8 drive train, Stronglight 49D crank 
> and Bespoke Chainrings "Solida Cats" chainring, VO Sabot pedals, SOMA 
> Edison taillight and Torpedo battery headlight, Tanaka ivory painted alloy 
> fenders, red Hetres, a slightly used honey B-17, and a House of Talents 
> basket (which I strongly recommend – link here:  
> http://houseoftalents.com/ ).  This is an absolutely wonderful bike – 
> rides like a dream.  I think Grant hit it out of the park with this one.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunrace 'one at a time'

[A CT Cyclist]

At 52 my bars are too high for that to happen. I'm using a Civia dupont hb
that I had to overcome the low head tube and long top tube of my
Bridgestone MB-2.
On Dec 28, 2015 10:43 PM, "Joe Bernard"  wrote:

> I gave up on bar-ends for Albas. At 53 I'm officially tired of jamming
> those things into my knees ;)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[Clayton.sf]

Get some compass tires for your hunq- it will be much faster. If you want 
really fast, look into skinny flexy tubing or some vintage 531 and compass 
tires. The AHH likely won't be that huge of an upgrade. 

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS Proto Hunqapillar / Appalossa 650B 52 CM

[Richard Rios]

Sold. Thanks to all those that inquired. 

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Tallux Stem

[Tim Wood]

"Habitual cockpit modifications require crafty part acquisition" - Said me, 
today. 

I've secured a new albatross bar to replace the Bosco on my Clem and now I need 
a stem. I had a shopping basket all ready to go on riv with a stem and a couple 
other goodies but I'd thought I'd check with my fellow 
part-hoarding-cockpit-modifiers to see what's out there. 

What I need:

-Nitto stem, 110 or 120, preferably tallux, but it has to be the brushed, dull 
brite finish, not shiny Chrome.  

Thanks,

Tim


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[RBW] Re: FS: SPD Shoes/pedals and Walky Dog

[Jeremy Till]

If you don't know how to do it, I'll show you how to walk the dog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkNyN0j_cfo

(Sorry, not related to your FS post at all, just a fun old Riv video).  

On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 6:25:18 AM UTC-8, WETH wrote:
>
> I cleaned the basement and found some unused items which I offer for sale:
>
> 1) Shimano SPD shoes and pedals.  Shoes are size 10.5 and in great 
> condition except for frayed shoelace end on one shoe.  Pedals PD-M515 are 
> well used with many scratches.  They worked well when I removed them from 
> my bike 5 years ago.  Pedals could use a good cleaning.  Please see photos 
> as what you see is what you get: 
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N08/0GP80T
> $35 shipped CONUS -PayPal please.
>
> 2) Walky Dog Exerciser bike attachment which is well used with some 
> superficial rust.  Incorporate man's best friend into your lugged steal 
> riding.  Link here for product description of a newer model: 
> http://www.amazon.com/Walky-Dog-Exerciser-strength-Paracord/dp/B003OYIAW4
> This item is at least 6 years old. Please see photos as what you see is 
> what you get: https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N08/0GP80T
> $20 shipped CONUS-PayPal please.
>
> Thanks,
> Erl
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[Lungimsam]

It really baffles me as to why people publicly put their address on Clist.

Either they could get themselves robbed, or the person that lives at the 
actual address shown on the map, if it isn't the sellers'.

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[RBW] Re: FS: SPD Shoes/pedals and Walky Dog

[WETH]

One of my favorite classic Rivendrll videos too! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[davecstein]

I think 2.25", maybe 2.3". I have 2.1 in the rear and 2.25 in the front. Smart 
sam's.

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> On Dec 28, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Zach Duval  wrote:
> 
> What's the actual tire clearance for the 48 Hunqs?
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[RBW] Re: FS Proto Hunqapillar / Appalossa 650B 52 CM

[Richard Rios]

Sale pending.

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[RBW] Re: Christmas Clementine

[Lungimsam]

Best looking Clementine shots I have seen so far.

Normally, to my eyes, the shots on the RBW website make the Clementine 
model look pedestrian, like every curved tube framed hybrid/comfort bike 
you see in any corner shop.

But these pics really show the high dollar Rivendell quality of the frame 
model and the parts hung on it, which I knew they had to be, but just was 
wondering why I never could see it in RBW pics.

Nice touch on the big ring. I like those cool looking special rings.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Relaxed Rear Geometry & Actual Effect

[Utah]

The slack seat tube works together with the slack headtube which you can 
definitely feel! 



On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 5:32:11 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> A relaxed rear geometry seems 1 major feature of all Rivendells (except 
> the Roadeo), i.e s*lacker Seat Tube Angles (STA)are used compared to 
> other frames*, whether large or small builder.  The STA angles of the 
> small to medium frames vary from 71.5 deg (Sam, Joe A, San Macro) to 72.5 
> deg (AHH, Atlantis, Ram) which are less than:
>
>- Small 27"/700C frames which typically have steeper STA, 73 to 74 
>deg, to avoid toe clip overlap.  The exception being a long top tube, 
>requiring shorter stems to maintain reach within limits
>- Larger frames even are less than 73 deg, a typical British STA.  
>
> The slacker STA puts you further back, 6 to 18mm, depending on the STA 
> compared to 73deg STA.  
>
> My questions to the group
>  
> 1.  Is the relaxed rear geometry something you can feel when compared to 
> other frames??
>
> 2.  Do you see it as a positive??  
>
> The relaxed rear seems to go together with the higher head tube, bars up 
> to saddle height and further back, which also seem to differentiate 
> Rivendell, assuming lugs & great paint jobs don't affect the ride.  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Rapid Rise Rear Der

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

It is a *logical* idea.

Imagine if we didn't have the legacy baggage of pulling cable to downshift 
in the back. Wouldn't it make more sense if both front and rear derailleurs 
did the same (upshift or downshift) if a particular action was actuated 
(such as pull or release cable)? With rapid-rise (or Low normal), Shimano 
was just harmonizing front and rear derailleur actions so pulling cable 
(with DT, thumbs, barends & STI) will all result in upshifts. Sounds pretty 
logical to me and it should be easier to teach newbies too.

I also seem to recall that one of the technical reasons for rapid-rise was 
to improve rear shifting. Apparently, the downshift-facilitating ramps on 
the HG cassettes work better when the chain is gently prodded by a spring, 
rather than getting ham-fisted with an overly eager rider.

In any case, it's not a particularly hard skill to switch to. No shifts are 
truly critical for non-pros, so a mis-shift here or there isn't bad. One 
can always harmonize all Shimano-equipped bikes with rapid-rise rear 
derailleurs! :)

Anyone remember the reverse shifting Sachs *front* derailleur?


On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 11:28:37 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
>
>  Rapid Rise was doomed before it even started !  If it was such a great 
> idea then why didn't they make all shifting that way, mtb and road ?  ... 
> ___ .  exactly .  Saying it was good for some and not the other 
> right there doomed it.  A solution to problem that didn't exist. 
>

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