[RBW] XT front derailleur with Sugino XD2 triple on a Hunqapillar?

[Jack Doran]

I haven't had any luck getting rid of chain rub against the front 
derailleur plate of a Deore XT front derailleur on my Hunqapillar (Dura Ace 
shifters). I have a 108 Phil Wood hub and the granny ring is pretty close 
to the chain stay as it is, and I can't get it much closer. Seems like an 
XT would have enough throw to be up to the task, but I've tried getting the 
cable tension as high as possible by pulling hard on the cable down at the 
anchor bolt and tightening the barrel adjustors at the shifters. No luck. 
Any troubleshooting steps I might try?

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Kieran J]

Same here. My 68cm Orange *barely* fits a 700x35 in back without a fender. 
YMMV. 

KJ

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[RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Kieran J]

I will add that the most extreme (and yet possibly most logical) option would 
be to commission a new low-ish trail fork from Tom Matchak or another builder, 
and powder the whole shootin' match. 

I'm wanting to reserve that as a last and most sensible/costly resort.

KJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

I'm glad I've got your attention now!!! :-)

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:39 PM, ted  wrote:

> Ah, I see now. Pls disregard my previous enquiry.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Registration for the ride is Jan 1... registration for sofa space is a
>> different story! Glad you got a spot!
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:31 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All Rounders
>> (SCAR)  wrote:
>>
>>> huh?  I thought registration didn't open until Jan 1st???
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:28:16 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:

 It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!

 On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham 
 wrote:

> Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>
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>>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[ted]

Ah, I see now. Pls disregard my previous enquiry.


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>
> Registration for the ride is Jan 1... registration for sofa space is a 
> different story! Glad you got a spot!
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:31 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All Rounders 
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>
>> huh?  I thought registration didn't open until Jan 1st???
>>
>> mike
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:28:16 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>
>>> It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?

 On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Calendared it for March 18th!
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>
>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[ted]

um, on Dec 21 you wrote:
"We've confirmed that registration is opening on January first. 

 We're 
planning on accommodating up to 500 riders (there were ~350 riders last 
year). So a touch larger. Rain or shine event. "

How pray tell is it getting full on Dec 28 2016 if registration opens on 
Jan 1st 2017?



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> It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham  > wrote:
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>> Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
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>>>
>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>>
>>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

Registration for the ride is Jan 1... registration for sofa space is a
different story! Glad you got a spot!

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:31 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All Rounders
(SCAR)  wrote:

> huh?  I thought registration didn't open until Jan 1st???
>
> mike
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:28:16 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>
>> It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>>
>>> Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Calendared it for March 18th!

 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html

 Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!


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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[GAJett]

I am mostly familiar with the MUPs of the East Bay Regional Park District 
in the SF Bay Area.  I almost always use my bell when approaching from the 
rear, and from the front if other users don't seem to be paying attention.  
I ring several times as I approach (e.g., ding-ding ding, ding-ding-ding, 
ding-ding-ding) before passing as far away as possible.  And I always say 
thank-you to those who move over, often getting a thanks in return.  If 
anyone is nasty, they still get the thank-you

Several rules for EBRPD trails that are relevant to this thread include:

*All Trail Users:* 

For everyone's safety, *keep to the right* (so no real reason to call out 
"on your left").

For your safety, headphones are not advised (but not prohibited -- this has 
consequences). 


*Bicycles: *

Bicycles shall not be ridden at an unsafe speed, or greater than the posted 
speed limit. (The speed limit is usually 15 mph. However even a walking 
pace could be considered an "unsafe speed" and a cyclist held responsible 
for an accident even if proceeding with the utmost caution.  As a corollary 
these trails are NOT for high speed training.  If you want to go faster 
then at least slow down when passing others, or find another venue.)

Bells are required on bicycles on Park District trails.  (I've known 
several people who have gotten tickets for not having bells!)

- Bicycles always yield to pedestrians. Before passing, SLOW DOWN, ring 
bell and establish verbal contact.  (Yes, slow down.  MUPs are for all 
users.  No one should use them in any way that endangers others.  But how 
do you establish verbal contact with the idiot on, for example, an 
i(diot)Phone with the volume turned up?


*Pedestrians: *

- Keep to the right when approached by others. (Again, stay to the right 
unless passing.)
- Look behind and to both sides before changing course.  (As mentioned 
elsewhere, runners are particularly bad about this.  I had one at the back 
of a large group literally turn on their toe to reverse direction.  I had 
slowed to a walking pace while waiting a chance to pass the group, so was 
able to stop.

Cheers.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 5:33:06 PM UTC-8, Tim wrote:
>
> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
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>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[fugd...@gmail.com]

I like the Spurcycle. But I LOVE the brass Lion bell from England. I like 
good bells; they have a mystical history

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:38:22 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Steve Palincsar]

I owned one, and I can tell you with assurance that it did not fit 38mm 
tires.



On 12/28/2016 08:13 PM, Bruce Herbitter wrote:

I just copy  and paste screen grabs :)  Wayback machine March 2003

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:


That must describe the later generations, because the 1st gen
orange ones certainly didn't fit 38mm tires.


On 12/28/2016 07:35 PM, Fullylugged wrote:

>From RBW:  "More clearance lets you ride a chubbier tire, so
you can ride lower tire pressures on rougher roads. For most
paved roads you’ll probably be on a 700x23 to 700x28, but if
you ride bad roads or fire trails, or load it up with lunch
and spare gear, your Rambouillet will easily accept more
appropriate, fatter tires—up to 700x38!
If you ride where it rains, you’ll be happy to know your
Rambouillet easily accepts fenders, even with tires as large
as 700x35. Most modern road bikes can’t accept tires larger
than 700x28, and don’t accept fenders at all. They’re suitable
only for smooth roads and fair weather. The Rambouillet is an
all-surface, all-weather road bike. "




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Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/28/2016 08:15 PM, Bruce Herbitter wrote:
the fork is not intended for the weight either in the tubing choice or 
the geometry. But you are correct, top rack and low hung weight will 
be different.


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:


Yes, but a lowrider isn't like Marks rack.


On 12/28/2016 07:37 PM, Fullylugged wrote:

The bike wasn't designed as a front loader, which is why the
absence of mounts. I used a Marks rack on mine which attaches
with P-Clamps and didn't like te handling with anything over
about 5 lbs in it.  YMMV.




8/5/8 OS (which is what the Rambouillet has) is, if I recall correctly, 
about as stiff as 531 Tourist grade, 10/7/10 std diameter, as was used 
in the Jack Taylor Tourist, one of the most capable loaded touring bikes 
of its age.  73 degree head angle was not unknown among touring bikes of 
the time either, I believe.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

[GAJett]

My excitement was with a dog not off-leash.  Instead the dog was on one of 
those leashes on a reel that allow them to be 10 or 12 feet away from the 
owner.  Came around a nearly blind corner (having slowed anyway out of 
caution) and there was the dog on one side of the trail, the owner on the 
other, and the leash tight between.  Got stopped OK, then the owner yelled 
at the "dumb" dog. (Hint: It's not the dog that's dumb.)  Owner never said 
a word to me.  Could have  been really ugly if I was going faster.
Cheers.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 9:34:10 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Anecdote from a ride a few days ago: I was riding behind another cyclist 
> who I didn't know. Ahead of us, a man was walking his dog off leash. The 
> dog decided to walk across the bike trail into our path, forcing us to 
> brake quickly to slow down. The guy ahead of me on the bike then decided 
> that he needed to stop altogether so that he could chastise the dog owner 
> ... making an already bad situation even worse. I had to veer to avoid 
> running into him, the walker, and the dog.
>
> --Eric N
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Re: [RBW] Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Ron Mc]

The greenways here are a treasure.  I can ride 50 mi on them and most of it 
feels totally remote.  There's a little more pedestrian traffic around park 
trailheads and especially dog parks, but pick your times right and you can 
go miles and miles without seeing anybody.  
I have two 32 mi routes picked out that I can haul bike into work then go 
for a ride.  

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:37:19 AM UTC-6, Skenry wrote:
>
> Am I the only one who avoids paths like the plague?Though I do have a 
> brass bell on a few of my bikes, but only for the beautiful look of 
> tarnished brass.
>
> Ride on the road.
> Scott
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2016 11:50 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>
>>> I have always wondered this. Alerting pedestrians felt like I was 
>>> annoying them 99% of the times to avoid that 1% chance of collision.  I 
>>> love the beep beep suggestion.  Whenever my toddler son is riding with me, 
>>> I'm going to delegate beep beep responsibility to him.  Natural fit.  
>>> Win-win!
>>>
>>
>> It can't be 99:1 -- far too many people say thanks when you do for it to 
>> be anything like that.  If anything, it's 1% annoyance vs 99% anything from 
>> thanks to indifference.
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Re: [RBW] Silent bell until needed

[Ron Mc]

I like the Crane Karen (Rivendell's bell 12?) with the stronger spring that 
Rivendell sells.  
The springs have a finite life if you ride MUP/greenways, and you need to 
replace the springs anyway.  

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[RBW] Re: Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[John Hawrylak]

The majority of weight on a *low rider* is carried by the attachment to the 
front dropout eyelet.  The mid fork attachment stabilizers the rack, levels 
it, but does not carry much load.

Therefore, the fork tubing is not carrying much weight.  A Marks Rack would 
be entirely different, as already pointed out.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Hope everyone is having a nice holiday season!
>
> I'm curious about how the Rambouillet handles with different configs of a 
> front load. I've only ever really used a small Swift Bandito up on the 
> handlebar, but never anything more substantial. 
>
> Have any Ram owners ever: 
>
>- somehow run low-rider panniers on the stock fork?
>- run low-rider panniers and an additional front bag on the stock fork?
>- had success with an aftermarket fork with a different trail figure?
>
> Long story, I'm thinking of having a couple mods done to my Ram and new 
> powder done (the Creamsicle is cool, but doesn't match anything - 
> especially not all the red clothing I have). I would consider adding 
> mid-fork eyelets if running front low-riders appears to work well for the 
> bike.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kieran
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Bruce Herbitter]

Thanks Mike for that datapoint.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:12 PM, mikel66...@juno.com 
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> My 58cm Ramborange will fit a 37mm Paselaespecially in back where the
> brake bridge is higher than it should be
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Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Bruce Herbitter]

the fork is not intended for the weight either in the tubing choice or the
geometry. But you are correct, top rack and low hung weight will be
different.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Yes, but a lowrider isn't like Marks rack.
>
>
> On 12/28/2016 07:37 PM, Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> The bike wasn't designed as a front loader, which is why the absence of
>> mounts. I used a Marks rack on mine which attaches with P-Clamps and didn't
>> like te handling with anything over about 5 lbs in it.  YMMV.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[mikel66...@juno.com]

My 58cm Ramborange will fit a 37mm Paselaespecially in back where the brake 
bridge is higher than it should be

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Bruce Herbitter]

I just copy  and paste screen grabs :)  Wayback machine March 2003

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> That must describe the later generations, because the 1st gen orange ones
> certainly didn't fit 38mm tires.
>
>
> On 12/28/2016 07:35 PM, Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> >From RBW:  "More clearance lets you ride a chubbier tire, so you can
>> ride lower tire pressures on rougher roads. For most paved roads you’ll
>> probably be on a 700x23 to 700x28, but if you ride bad roads or fire
>> trails, or load it up with lunch and spare gear, your Rambouillet will
>> easily accept more appropriate, fatter tires—up to 700x38!
>> If you ride where it rains, you’ll be happy to know your Rambouillet
>> easily accepts fenders, even with tires as large as 700x35. Most modern
>> road bikes can’t accept tires larger than 700x28, and don’t accept fenders
>> at all. They’re suitable only for smooth roads and fair weather. The
>> Rambouillet is an all-surface, all-weather road bike. "
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Steve Palincsar]

That must describe the later generations, because the 1st gen orange 
ones certainly didn't fit 38mm tires.



On 12/28/2016 07:35 PM, Fullylugged wrote:

>From RBW:  "More clearance lets you ride a chubbier tire, so you can ride 
lower tire pressures on rougher roads. For most paved roads you’ll probably be on a 
700x23 to 700x28, but if you ride bad roads or fire trails, or load it up with lunch 
and spare gear, your Rambouillet will easily accept more appropriate, fatter tires—up 
to 700x38!
If you ride where it rains, you’ll be happy to know your Rambouillet easily accepts 
fenders, even with tires as large as 700x35. Most modern road bikes can’t accept 
tires larger than 700x28, and don’t accept fenders at all. They’re suitable only for 
smooth roads and fair weather. The Rambouillet is an all-surface, all-weather road 
bike. "



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Re: [RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Steve Palincsar]

Yes, but a lowrider isn't like Marks rack.


On 12/28/2016 07:37 PM, Fullylugged wrote:

The bike wasn't designed as a front loader, which is why the absence of mounts. 
I used a Marks rack on mine which attaches with P-Clamps and didn't like te 
handling with anything over about 5 lbs in it.  YMMV.



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[RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Fullylugged]

The bike wasn't designed as a front loader, which is why the absence of mounts. 
I used a Marks rack on mine which attaches with P-Clamps and didn't like te 
handling with anything over about 5 lbs in it.  YMMV.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Fullylugged]

>From RBW:  "More clearance lets you ride a chubbier tire, so you can ride 
>lower tire pressures on rougher roads. For most paved roads you’ll probably be 
>on a 700x23 to 700x28, but if you ride bad roads or fire trails, or load it up 
>with lunch and spare gear, your Rambouillet will easily accept more 
>appropriate, fatter tires—up to 700x38! 
If you ride where it rains, you’ll be happy to know your Rambouillet easily 
accepts fenders, even with tires as large as 700x35. Most modern road bikes 
can’t accept tires larger than 700x28, and don’t accept fenders at all. They’re 
suitable only for smooth roads and fair weather. The Rambouillet is an 
all-surface, all-weather road bike. "

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Re: [RBW] Silent bell until needed

[Christopher Cote]

Or post-concussion syndrome?

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 3:20:29 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/28/2016 11:38 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> > Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, 
> even when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for 
> the most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
> > 
> > 
>
> I have bells on all my bikes, and I've never heard one that hummed. I 
> did have one with a defective striker mechanism that rattled around 
> inside, resulting in what' I'd call a tinkle when I hit rough pavement, 
> but even there, nothing even close to a hum.   Are you sure it's not 
> tinnitus? 
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Christopher Cote]

I think the official figure is 700x28 with fenders. Different rims and 
tires may affect your results.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:16:30 PM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
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> What is the largest tire it can reasonably take with fenders?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
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[RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Matt Beecher]

What is the largest tire it can reasonably take with fenders?

Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Frank Brose]

That's a diamond at coal prices judging by the pictures posted. Somebody 
needs to buy this and ride it. They are indeed a fine riding bike. I know I 
had one. If I didn't have other things (not even bike related dammit) 
tugging at the purse strings. I'd snap it up.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 7:23:05 PM UTC-6, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I have an orange 58cm Rambouillet. I realize that I rode it twice in 2016. 
> Even less the previous 3-4 years. It's painful to consider selling because 
> it's the most comfortable, nicest riding, and beautiful road bike I've ever 
> ridden. However, I'm mostly an off-road or city rider these days. So, I'd 
> sell the frame/fork/headset for $800 plus shipping. I would consider 
> selling it with some or all of the parts, but boxing up the complete bike 
> and shipping it gives me cold sweats, so we'll have to figure something out 
> there if you want it complete. Local pickup would be even better. I'm in 
> southern Maine. I could probably arrange to meet a buyer in most Northern 
> New England locations.
>
> It has Ultegra derailleurs, brakes, hubs, and headset.
> Dura Ace downtube shifters.
> Shimano aero levers.
> 170mm TA Alize triple crank with 24 (I think), 38, and 48 tooth rings and 
> an Axix bottom bracket.
> Avocet Fasgrip 700x25 tires. That should tell you how little it's been 
> ridden in the last decade.
> Nitto B115 bars and unknown Nitto stem.
> Brooks Pro saddle and CLB seatpost with a lot of offset.
> Mavic MA something anodized rims.
> SKS fenders.
> Speedplay Frog pedals, but I'll probably want to keep them.
> Cages, pump, and seat bag will be moved to the next bike.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sackville Saddlesack Large

[Kellie]

*NO LONGER LOOKING.*
On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 12:30:12 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
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> Looking for a large Sackville Saddlesack in pretty good condition. 
>  Preferably olive. Hopefully I can find one in the Bay Area and we can meet.

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell and Peter White Shoutouts for Exceptional Customer Service

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick is oh, so, right about both. I had a Luxus U go bad in 2015 while I was 
in Connecticut. I was training for PBP and had a 400K brevet that weekend. It 
was my only chance to ride one because of the rotator cuff surgery that spring. 
I called Peter, overnighted it to him and he put a new one in the mail before 
mine arrived to him. I had the new light on in no time and got my brevet in. 
The light was covered under warranty as well. Oh, and I actually bought my 
Hilsen from Peter in 2011. He happened to have one in stock when Riv didn't, 
and I wasn't patient enough to wait for my first Riv. The folks at Riv are the 
best also. Dave, Will, Brian, Keven (gone now), Rich and Grant have all helped 
me immensely. And, Patrick, I'll bet I can ask a dumber question than you :)

One other thing. On my 2014 400k brevet with New England Randonneurs Peter 
hosted a control. It was maybe a little past the halfway point. I remember the 
sun was still up when we got there but it was dark when we left. The food was 
great and the company was even better. Thanks so much for that, Peter! 

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Re: [RBW] Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

FUNNY STORY...
A friend and I were riding a trail and we came upon a sharp, blind curve.
When we got halfway around the turn there were two guys jogging in single 
file.
I couldn't react quick enough to ring the bell so just as we were almost 
side by side I yelled "on your left, sorry". I felt bad but what else could 
we do?
They were obviously a bit erked at us.
One guy yelled back at us a couple of times"on your right".
That's the first time that has happened.
Jon

>
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Re: [RBW] Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Tim Butterfield]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:25 PM, BenG  wrote:

> In all cases I yield my speed and momentum for the chance to make a
> positive interaction. Seems like folks appreciate that consideration.


Yep and especially around children.  No telling how they will react.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell and Peter White Shoutouts for Exceptional Customer Service

[Peter White]

Yup. Penny is a peach. I suspect it was you on the phone with her while I
was busy checking in a huge chainring order from TA.That was me yelling,
"Don't use lithium batteries!"

PJW

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Providing consistently exceptional customer service is a challenging and
> amazing thing to accomplish and I just wanted to shout out to Rivendell and
> Grant as well as Peter White for their care of me as a customer.
>
> Prompted by the light discussion in a different thread, I remembered I was
> wanting to get a Xion IQ light with AA batteries since mine wasn’t
> replaceable. Calling and talking with Penny and asking my usual pesky
> questions, she said “We’ll, let me look up your light.” She found my order
> from almost two years ago, and informed me that I already have what I want
> and educated my moronity ever so patiently. That is amazing service.
>
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>
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[RBW] Multi Use Path Etiquette

[BenG]

I slow such that I can ring the bell and wait for their response without 
invading their space. If they wear ear buds, I slow and ring, and creep up such 
that they see me peripherally and can react before I pass. In all cases I yield 
my speed and momentum for the chance to make a positive interaction. Seems like 
folks appreciate that consideration.

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[RBW] Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Kieran J]

Hi All,

Hope everyone is having a nice holiday season!

I'm curious about how the Rambouillet handles with different configs of a 
front load. I've only ever really used a small Swift Bandito up on the 
handlebar, but never anything more substantial. 

Have any Ram owners ever: 

   - somehow run low-rider panniers on the stock fork?
   - run low-rider panniers and an additional front bag on the stock fork?
   - had success with an aftermarket fork with a different trail figure?

Long story, I'm thinking of having a couple mods done to my Ram and new 
powder done (the Creamsicle is cool, but doesn't match anything - 
especially not all the red clothing I have). I would consider adding 
mid-fork eyelets if running front low-riders appears to work well for the 
bike.

Thanks!

Kieran

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[RBW] Rivendell and Peter White Shoutouts for Exceptional Customer Service

[Deacon Patrick]

Providing consistently exceptional customer service is a challenging and 
amazing thing to accomplish and I just wanted to shout out to Rivendell and 
Grant as well as Peter White for their care of me as a customer.

Prompted by the light discussion in a different thread, I remembered I was 
wanting to get a Xion IQ light with AA batteries since mine wasn’t replaceable. 
Calling and talking with Penny and asking my usual pesky questions, she said 
“We’ll, let me look up your light.” She found my order from almost two years 
ago, and informed me that I already have what I want and educated my moronity 
ever so patiently. That is amazing service.

Rivendell’s service is simply always amazing. They put up with my pesky 
questions and are fast and prompt with shipping and in general never have a 
customer service issue, but when they pop up they take excellent care of me.

Two cycling companies that put the personal care touch in long distance 
internet shopping in an amazing way. Thanks!

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Silent bell until needed

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/28/2016 11:38 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even when 
not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the most 
silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, uterly silent 
when you don't?




I have bells on all my bikes, and I've never heard one that hummed. I 
did have one with a defective striker mechanism that rattled around 
inside, resulting in what' I'd call a tinkle when I hit rough pavement, 
but even there, nothing even close to a hum.   Are you sure it's not 
tinnitus?


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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Garth]

Oh yeah, I have not owned this one but I do love the sound of it  I 
find them more pleasing , more playful I guess that just a dong or ding 
dong.
 
https://www.amazon.com/Mirrycle-Incredibell-Bicycle-Bell-Chrome/dp/B001CJVGRY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxizulSniIY


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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Garth]

  Yep, the Brass Duet Incredibell .  Never ever ever makes a peep unless I 
activate the lever, a nice brass tone,a higher pitch than the larger ones 
.  I've used them for about 5 years or so without a hiccup.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017APNX6/ref=twister_B000YZ4CPU?_encoding=UTF8=1
a short video someone made on a path... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slY9aQaFo88

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 11:38:22 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
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> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

[William deRosset]

The lens/reflector cover is plastic. If it is like the Cyo lenses, it will 
survive winter fine. It will eventually get scratched and yellow from 
environmental exposure. However, a headlight restoration kit from the auto 
parts store will fix it right up, based on my experience with the Ixon and Cyo 
reflector covers. In the case of the Cyo, the cover generally outlasted the 
plastic mounting ear for the light. The IQ-X has a metal mounting bracket, 
which solves the only substantive problem I had with the Cyo N. 

My long-awaited Kelpie will use the IQ-X headlamp as part of the integrated 
lighting system (along with a Sinewave/Velo-lumino switch and power supply). 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Patrick Moore]

I've got several of the lever-arm "Crane" or  "Universal"-type bells; 2 of
55 mm diameter and one of 45 mm. All brass. The larger ones are nice and
loud and work fine on the paved and well-used bike path; but I the smaller
one is much softer in sound, and I chose that one for the Matthews which is
ridden as much as possible on our dirt roads and paths - the softer sound
is more fitting for the bucolic ambience, where the larger ones jarred the
sensibilities. I can always yell if I need more sound.

BTW, the larger ones can be modulated by the distance the striker is drawn
back. My escalation is: bell lightly; bell louder; bell louder and
repeated; "Cyclist!"; then "Heads UP!!!" It seems to work, though I do
admit once to taking a shudderingly blissful delight in scaring the shit
out of some clueless pedestrians, who had ignored my carefully calibrated
warning escalations, with a !Zounds! air horn.

I've flicked the Spurcycle in stores, and don't find them louder than my 55
mm Cranes/Unversals, or sweeter than my 45 mm one.


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 11:11 AM, René Sterental 
wrote:

> From all the bells I've tried, the best by far, in both style, sound
> quality and mounting versatility is the Spurcycle bell:
> http://www.spurcycle.com/products/better-bicycle-bell
>
> It has completely replaced all my bicycle bells, has the most lovely yet
> far reaching and lasting sound and is completely silent until rung.
>
> Not cheap, but highly recommended.
>
> René
>

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Re: [RBW] girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The issue might be lack of chain ring options, and inability to go much 
lower than a 50/42 -- 39 if you are lucky.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 12:18:27 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> It looks like a very practical ride; congratulations. 
>
> "...bury a flathead in the chainstay..." I suppose you meant "chainstay 
> bridge"?
>
> Why not leave on the cottered cranks, unless you are trying to save 
> weight? Unless you object to the weight or unless you will be disassembling 
> the bb every year for maintenance, a decent cottered crankset/bb can be 
> trouble free for a long time, as I know from my various Raleigh Sprites and 
> Sportses. (Among cheap cranksets, only the Astabula is better!)
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:57 AM, S. Greco  > wrote:
>
>> My lovely girlfriend was finally ready to graduate from her Schwinn to 
>> something a little nicer. She wasn't ready for a Riv despite my 
>> recommendations. Her criteria was that it must be a step-through frame. My 
>> criteria was that it must have a derailleur hanger - a proper one and not a 
>> metal tab hanging off the drop out. This combination was surprisingly 
>> harder to find than I thought it would be. I managed to find an old Colner 
>> (Ernesto Colnago) on eBay for a decent price. It came with some Campy Gran 
>> Compe and had internal top-tube routing which was a nice bonus. She 
>> insisted that it have a kickstand though, which became more of a project 
>> than I thought. 
>>
>> I ordered the standard Pletscher Kickstand from Riv but due to the tight 
>> geometry of the frame there isn't alot of room in the rear triangle. I had 
>> to switch the hex bolt to a button head which was much more low-profile. 
>> Then, realizing that the plate would sit crooked on the bottom bracket lugs 
>> had to machine a little rabbet so that the plates would sit flush and clamp 
>> properly. Lastly as this whole assembly was now blocking any chance of 
>> getting at the chain stay bridge I had to bury a flat head in the chain 
>> stay with a nylock so that there was a captive threaded post to bolt on the 
>> fender.
>>
>> In the end I think it turned out to be a pretty sweet ride. I never 
>> thought a kickstand install could be so complicated.
>> Next step is a brake upgrade, then I gotta replace these cottered cranks.
>>
>>
>> 
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Silent bell until needed

[Eric Norris]

I have both a Spurcycle bell and a knockoff copy that cost about 1/5th the 
price and has 90% of the sound. This type of bell is indeed very attractive and 
loud.

--Eric N
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> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:11 AM, René Sterental  wrote:
> 
> From all the bells I've tried, the best by far, in both style, sound quality 
> and mounting versatility is the Spurcycle bell: 
> http://www.spurcycle.com/products/better-bicycle-bell 
> 
> 
> It has completely replaced all my bicycle bells, has the most lovely yet far 
> reaching and lasting sound and is completely silent until rung.
> 
> Not cheap, but highly recommended.
> 
> René 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
> I'm not using one, but increasingly find more people on the trails (an 
> excellent and yet selfishly disappointing thing. Sardonic grin.) and so see 
> the need for it increasing. I have every confidence that I am far more 
> sensitive to "hum" than anyone else on the planet.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 10:11:36 AM UTC-7, ted wrote:
> It's quite possible that you are more aware of this than I am, what are you 
> using that you find hums? 
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[RBW] Re: girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

[eflayer]

Maybe the issue I never solved was attaching an actual Pleitscher-branded 
kickstand in the bottom up manner as I think the Greenfield Retro uses 
different bolt size. As I recall Pleitscher is a better quality stand even 
though both brands "look" the same.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-8, S. Greco wrote:
>
> My lovely girlfriend was finally ready to graduate from her Schwinn to 
> something a little nicer. She wasn't ready for a Riv despite my 
> recommendations. Her criteria was that it must be a step-through frame. My 
> criteria was that it must have a derailleur hanger - a proper one and not a 
> metal tab hanging off the drop out. This combination was surprisingly 
> harder to find than I thought it would be. I managed to find an old Colner 
> (Ernesto Colnago) on eBay for a decent price. It came with some Campy Gran 
> Compe and had internal top-tube routing which was a nice bonus. She 
> insisted that it have a kickstand though, which became more of a project 
> than I thought. 
>
> I ordered the standard Pletscher Kickstand from Riv but due to the tight 
> geometry of the frame there isn't alot of room in the rear triangle. I had 
> to switch the hex bolt to a button head which was much more low-profile. 
> Then, realizing that the plate would sit crooked on the bottom bracket lugs 
> had to machine a little rabbet so that the plates would sit flush and clamp 
> properly. Lastly as this whole assembly was now blocking any chance of 
> getting at the chain stay bridge I had to bury a flat head in the chain 
> stay with a nylock so that there was a captive threaded post to bolt on the 
> fender.
>
> In the end I think it turned out to be a pretty sweet ride. I never 
> thought a kickstand install could be so complicated.
> Next step is a brake upgrade, then I gotta replace these cottered cranks.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

[S. Greco]

I had considered threading the top plate and bolting up from the bottom. 
The distance between the bottom bracket and the chain stay bridge was 
already tight - going up a size or two in order to get threads in the top 
would have been impossible. The bolt size needed wouldn't have fit between 
bottom bracket chain stay bridge. Still, i feel its silly that they don't 
all thread in this way, as its always easier to flip the bike over and have 
total access to the hardware then to try to come in at an angle and avoid 
marring the seat tube paint.

I did indeed mean chain stay bridge for the captive flathead bolt - no 
holes in the chain stays i promise :)

The captive bolt means that you don't have to take the kickstand off if you 
have to mess around with the fender.

I have nothing against cottered cranks, in fact I generally enjoy the 
classic appearance of them, this particular set has a little bit of play in 
the arms though which manifests as a bit of wobble in the pedal stroke.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[René Sterental]

>From all the bells I've tried, the best by far, in both style, sound
quality and mounting versatility is the Spurcycle bell:
http://www.spurcycle.com/products/better-bicycle-bell

It has completely replaced all my bicycle bells, has the most lovely yet
far reaching and lasting sound and is completely silent until rung.

Not cheap, but highly recommended.

René

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I'm not using one, but increasingly find more people on the trails (an
> excellent and yet selfishly disappointing thing. Sardonic grin.) and so see
> the need for it increasing. I have every confidence that I am far more
> sensitive to "hum" than anyone else on the planet.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 10:11:36 AM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>>
>> It's quite possible that you are more aware of this than I am, what are
>> you using that you find hums?
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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Philip Kim]

spurcycles bell i have works well

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 11:38:22 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Deacon Patrick]

I'm not using one, but increasingly find more people on the trails (an 
excellent and yet selfishly disappointing thing. Sardonic grin.) and so see 
the need for it increasing. I have every confidence that I am far more 
sensitive to "hum" than anyone else on the planet.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 10:11:36 AM UTC-7, ted wrote:
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> It's quite possible that you are more aware of this than I am, what are 
> you using that you find hums? 
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Re: [RBW] Multi Use Path Etiquette

[ted]

I doubt it. Though I wouldn't equate my avoidance of MUPs with that of life 
threatening diseases, I definitely prefer to avoid them most of the time.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 6:37:19 AM UTC-8, Skenry wrote:
>
> Am I the only one who avoids paths like the plague?Though I do have a 
> brass bell on a few of my bikes, but only for the beautiful look of 
> tarnished brass.
>
> Ride on the road.
> Scott
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2016 11:50 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>
>>> I have always wondered this. Alerting pedestrians felt like I was 
>>> annoying them 99% of the times to avoid that 1% chance of collision.  I 
>>> love the beep beep suggestion.  Whenever my toddler son is riding with me, 
>>> I'm going to delegate beep beep responsibility to him.  Natural fit.  
>>> Win-win!
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

[Scott Henry]

Yep, sorry, that picture I clipped from Greenfield isn't the best.
The bolt is narrow and goes up via the bottom and threads into the new top
plate.Its oddly shaped to allow FD cables to pass in the tight areas.


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 12:38 PM, eflayer  wrote:

> I "stand" corrected:
>
> http://www.niagaracycle.com/categories/greenfield-ks2sb-
> kickstand-with-retro-kit-black?gclid=Cj0KEQiA4o3DBRCJsZqh8vWqt_
> 8BEiQA2Fw0eSpQmaC512X9vvR1e_iF6XVegKG21BzdAiHkvQ2QVXwaAg3a8P8HAQ
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-8, S. Greco wrote:
>
>> My lovely girlfriend was finally ready to graduate from her Schwinn to
>> something a little nicer. She wasn't ready for a Riv despite my
>> recommendations. Her criteria was that it must be a step-through frame. My
>> criteria was that it must have a derailleur hanger - a proper one and not a
>> metal tab hanging off the drop out. This combination was surprisingly
>> harder to find than I thought it would be. I managed to find an old Colner
>> (Ernesto Colnago) on eBay for a decent price. It came with some Campy Gran
>> Compe and had internal top-tube routing which was a nice bonus. She
>> insisted that it have a kickstand though, which became more of a project
>> than I thought.
>>
>> I ordered the standard Pletscher Kickstand from Riv but due to the tight
>> geometry of the frame there isn't alot of room in the rear triangle. I had
>> to switch the hex bolt to a button head which was much more low-profile.
>> Then, realizing that the plate would sit crooked on the bottom bracket lugs
>> had to machine a little rabbet so that the plates would sit flush and clamp
>> properly. Lastly as this whole assembly was now blocking any chance of
>> getting at the chain stay bridge I had to bury a flat head in the chain
>> stay with a nylock so that there was a captive threaded post to bolt on the
>> fender.
>>
>> In the end I think it turned out to be a pretty sweet ride. I never
>> thought a kickstand install could be so complicated.
>> Next step is a brake upgrade, then I gotta replace these cottered cranks.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

[eflayer]

I "stand" corrected:

http://www.niagaracycle.com/categories/greenfield-ks2sb-kickstand-with-retro-kit-black?gclid=Cj0KEQiA4o3DBRCJsZqh8vWqt_8BEiQA2Fw0eSpQmaC512X9vvR1e_iF6XVegKG21BzdAiHkvQ2QVXwaAg3a8P8HAQ

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-8, S. Greco wrote:
>
> My lovely girlfriend was finally ready to graduate from her Schwinn to 
> something a little nicer. She wasn't ready for a Riv despite my 
> recommendations. Her criteria was that it must be a step-through frame. My 
> criteria was that it must have a derailleur hanger - a proper one and not a 
> metal tab hanging off the drop out. This combination was surprisingly 
> harder to find than I thought it would be. I managed to find an old Colner 
> (Ernesto Colnago) on eBay for a decent price. It came with some Campy Gran 
> Compe and had internal top-tube routing which was a nice bonus. She 
> insisted that it have a kickstand though, which became more of a project 
> than I thought. 
>
> I ordered the standard Pletscher Kickstand from Riv but due to the tight 
> geometry of the frame there isn't alot of room in the rear triangle. I had 
> to switch the hex bolt to a button head which was much more low-profile. 
> Then, realizing that the plate would sit crooked on the bottom bracket lugs 
> had to machine a little rabbet so that the plates would sit flush and clamp 
> properly. Lastly as this whole assembly was now blocking any chance of 
> getting at the chain stay bridge I had to bury a flat head in the chain 
> stay with a nylock so that there was a captive threaded post to bolt on the 
> fender.
>
> In the end I think it turned out to be a pretty sweet ride. I never 
> thought a kickstand install could be so complicated.
> Next step is a brake upgrade, then I gotta replace these cottered cranks.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

[eflayer]

The retro kit enable better fitting of the top bracket but the bolt hole 
and bolt head are still in the same position. That position often brings 
the bolt head really close to the seat tube. Why not thread the top bracket 
and bring the bolt in from the bottom side?

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-8, S. Greco wrote:
>
> My lovely girlfriend was finally ready to graduate from her Schwinn to 
> something a little nicer. She wasn't ready for a Riv despite my 
> recommendations. Her criteria was that it must be a step-through frame. My 
> criteria was that it must have a derailleur hanger - a proper one and not a 
> metal tab hanging off the drop out. This combination was surprisingly 
> harder to find than I thought it would be. I managed to find an old Colner 
> (Ernesto Colnago) on eBay for a decent price. It came with some Campy Gran 
> Compe and had internal top-tube routing which was a nice bonus. She 
> insisted that it have a kickstand though, which became more of a project 
> than I thought. 
>
> I ordered the standard Pletscher Kickstand from Riv but due to the tight 
> geometry of the frame there isn't alot of room in the rear triangle. I had 
> to switch the hex bolt to a button head which was much more low-profile. 
> Then, realizing that the plate would sit crooked on the bottom bracket lugs 
> had to machine a little rabbet so that the plates would sit flush and clamp 
> properly. Lastly as this whole assembly was now blocking any chance of 
> getting at the chain stay bridge I had to bury a flat head in the chain 
> stay with a nylock so that there was a captive threaded post to bolt on the 
> fender.
>
> In the end I think it turned out to be a pretty sweet ride. I never 
> thought a kickstand install could be so complicated.
> Next step is a brake upgrade, then I gotta replace these cottered cranks.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

[Eric Norris]

+1 on the spring-mounted strikers making noise all the time. I have found that 
bells with the "trigger" style strikers stay quiet (to my ears) until I use 
them.

Regarding using bells and/or calling out on the bike trail ... I use a bell, 
and over time I've reduced my bell-ringing to those cases where I think the 
pedestrian/runner/cyclist ahead of me seems to be on the verge of doing 
something dumb (e.g., veering into my path). If there's nobody coming from the 
other direction and I have room to ride around the person(s) ahead of me, I 
just ride around.

Bell-ringing, in my experience, is helpful about half the time. People hear the 
bell and either walk/ride a little farther to the right or stop drifting to the 
left. 

The other half of the time, they either don't hear it or ignore it. I'm always 
amazed at people who walk in groups, sometimes three across, taking up the 
entire bike lane with the backs to bikes riding toward them in the same lane 
... ignoring (on my local bike trail) the signs that tell them to walk *off* 
the trail on the *left* side. I've given up trying to teach these people the 
rules, opting instead to get around and away from them as quickly and safely as 
possible and continue with my ride.

Anecdote from a ride a few days ago: I was riding behind another cyclist who I 
didn't know. Ahead of us, a man was walking his dog off leash. The dog decided 
to walk across the bike trail into our path, forcing us to brake quickly to 
slow down. The guy ahead of me on the bike then decided that he needed to stop 
altogether so that he could chastise the dog owner ... making an already bad 
situation even worse. I had to veer to avoid running into him, the walker, and 
the dog.

--Eric N
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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:11 AM, ted  wrote:
> 
> It's quite possible that you are more aware of this than I am, what are you 
> using that you find hums? 
> That said, I find that the hammer strike bells that RBW sells stay quiet when 
> not needed, and the spring mounted striker style (bell 26) that RBW also 
> sells brings incessantly for moderate combinations of rough terrain, and 
> firmer tire pressure.
> I've also been very happy with a Crane E-ne bell thats much like the 
> Spurcycle.
> 
>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:38:22 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
>> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
>> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, uterly 
>> silent when you don't? 
>> 
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>> 
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>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

[eflayer]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-8, S. Greco wrote:
>
> My lovely girlfriend was finally ready to graduate from her Schwinn to 
> something a little nicer. She wasn't ready for a Riv despite my 
> recommendations. Her criteria was that it must be a step-through frame. My 
> criteria was that it must have a derailleur hanger - a proper one and not a 
> metal tab hanging off the drop out. This combination was surprisingly 
> harder to find than I thought it would be. I managed to find an old Colner 
> (Ernesto Colnago) on eBay for a decent price. It came with some Campy Gran 
> Compe and had internal top-tube routing which was a nice bonus. She 
> insisted that it have a kickstand though, which became more of a project 
> than I thought. 
>
> I ordered the standard Pletscher Kickstand from Riv but due to the tight 
> geometry of the frame there isn't alot of room in the rear triangle. I had 
> to switch the hex bolt to a button head which was much more low-profile. 
> Then, realizing that the plate would sit crooked on the bottom bracket lugs 
> had to machine a little rabbet so that the plates would sit flush and clamp 
> properly. Lastly as this whole assembly was now blocking any chance of 
> getting at the chain stay bridge I had to bury a flat head in the chain 
> stay with a nylock so that there was a captive threaded post to bolt on the 
> fender.
>
> In the end I think it turned out to be a pretty sweet ride. I never 
> thought a kickstand install could be so complicated.
> Next step is a brake upgrade, then I gotta replace these cottered cranks.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
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>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto r14 rack

[Les Lammers]

Not local, but I bought one from this seller and the shipping time was 
about a week. *I* like the rack. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-R14-Rear-Rack-/121680222093

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>
> Looking for a Nitto rack local to the Bay Area.

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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[John]

I see all the problems everyone has listed every time I'm on a MUP, and the 
only solution I've found to to slow way down and assume the person/people 
are going to move directly in front of me no matter how many times I've 
rung my bell and called out to them. People walking & talking are the worst 
for me, as they have successfully tuned out everything but the sounds of 
their own voices. I always prepare to pedal off into the weeds to avoid a 
collision. It feels safer to avoid MUP's altogether and ride with cars on 
the road.

It all reminds me of growing up in a place loved by tourists who didn't 
care if their Winnebago was going to drive right over the kid on the 
10-speed hugging the very edge of the asphalt on the road. I don't how many 
times I was run off the road. My solution was to ride in bad weather, or at 
night when the tourists were off the road & headlights forewarned of any 
other traffic.

John (I want more cowbell!!!) Phillips

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto r14 rack

[Kellie]

Looking for a Nitto rack local to the Bay Area.

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[RBW] Re: girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

[eflayer]

I've spent hours trying to "screw" with ill-fitting kickstands like this. 
Doesn't it seem like Pleitscher and Greenfield could make a model where you 
insert and tighten the bolt from under the BB instead of on top? Isn't 
there always more clearance underneath? Am I missing something here in how 
that would be tough to make happen?
'

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:57:11 AM UTC-8, S. Greco wrote:
>
> My lovely girlfriend was finally ready to graduate from her Schwinn to 
> something a little nicer. She wasn't ready for a Riv despite my 
> recommendations. Her criteria was that it must be a step-through frame. My 
> criteria was that it must have a derailleur hanger - a proper one and not a 
> metal tab hanging off the drop out. This combination was surprisingly 
> harder to find than I thought it would be. I managed to find an old Colner 
> (Ernesto Colnago) on eBay for a decent price. It came with some Campy Gran 
> Compe and had internal top-tube routing which was a nice bonus. She 
> insisted that it have a kickstand though, which became more of a project 
> than I thought. 
>
> I ordered the standard Pletscher Kickstand from Riv but due to the tight 
> geometry of the frame there isn't alot of room in the rear triangle. I had 
> to switch the hex bolt to a button head which was much more low-profile. 
> Then, realizing that the plate would sit crooked on the bottom bracket lugs 
> had to machine a little rabbet so that the plates would sit flush and clamp 
> properly. Lastly as this whole assembly was now blocking any chance of 
> getting at the chain stay bridge I had to bury a flat head in the chain 
> stay with a nylock so that there was a captive threaded post to bolt on the 
> fender.
>
> In the end I think it turned out to be a pretty sweet ride. I never 
> thought a kickstand install could be so complicated.
> Next step is a brake upgrade, then I gotta replace these cottered cranks.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

[Patrick Moore]

It looks like a very practical ride; congratulations.

"...bury a flathead in the chainstay..." I suppose you meant "chainstay
bridge"?

Why not leave on the cottered cranks, unless you are trying to save weight?
Unless you object to the weight or unless you will be disassembling the bb
every year for maintenance, a decent cottered crankset/bb can be trouble
free for a long time, as I know from my various Raleigh Sprites and
Sportses. (Among cheap cranksets, only the Astabula is better!)

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:57 AM, S. Greco  wrote:

> My lovely girlfriend was finally ready to graduate from her Schwinn to
> something a little nicer. She wasn't ready for a Riv despite my
> recommendations. Her criteria was that it must be a step-through frame. My
> criteria was that it must have a derailleur hanger - a proper one and not a
> metal tab hanging off the drop out. This combination was surprisingly
> harder to find than I thought it would be. I managed to find an old Colner
> (Ernesto Colnago) on eBay for a decent price. It came with some Campy Gran
> Compe and had internal top-tube routing which was a nice bonus. She
> insisted that it have a kickstand though, which became more of a project
> than I thought.
>
> I ordered the standard Pletscher Kickstand from Riv but due to the tight
> geometry of the frame there isn't alot of room in the rear triangle. I had
> to switch the hex bolt to a button head which was much more low-profile.
> Then, realizing that the plate would sit crooked on the bottom bracket lugs
> had to machine a little rabbet so that the plates would sit flush and clamp
> properly. Lastly as this whole assembly was now blocking any chance of
> getting at the chain stay bridge I had to bury a flat head in the chain
> stay with a nylock so that there was a captive threaded post to bolt on the
> fender.
>
> In the end I think it turned out to be a pretty sweet ride. I never
> thought a kickstand install could be so complicated.
> Next step is a brake upgrade, then I gotta replace these cottered cranks.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[ted]

It's quite possible that you are more aware of this than I am, what are you 
using that you find hums? 
That said, I find that the hammer strike bells that RBW sells stay quiet 
when not needed, and the spring mounted striker style (bell 26) that RBW 
also sells brings incessantly for moderate combinations of rough terrain, 
and firmer tire pressure.
I've also been very happy with a Crane E-ne bell thats much like the 
Spurcycle.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:38:22 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Silent bell until needed

[Bill Lindsay]

That sounds like the design brief for electronic horn type devices.  Push the 
button and it beeps. 

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[RBW] girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

[S. Greco]

My lovely girlfriend was finally ready to graduate from her Schwinn to 
something a little nicer. She wasn't ready for a Riv despite my 
recommendations. Her criteria was that it must be a step-through frame. My 
criteria was that it must have a derailleur hanger - a proper one and not a 
metal tab hanging off the drop out. This combination was surprisingly 
harder to find than I thought it would be. I managed to find an old Colner 
(Ernesto Colnago) on eBay for a decent price. It came with some Campy Gran 
Compe and had internal top-tube routing which was a nice bonus. She 
insisted that it have a kickstand though, which became more of a project 
than I thought. 

I ordered the standard Pletscher Kickstand from Riv but due to the tight 
geometry of the frame there isn't alot of room in the rear triangle. I had 
to switch the hex bolt to a button head which was much more low-profile. 
Then, realizing that the plate would sit crooked on the bottom bracket lugs 
had to machine a little rabbet so that the plates would sit flush and clamp 
properly. Lastly as this whole assembly was now blocking any chance of 
getting at the chain stay bridge I had to bury a flat head in the chain 
stay with a nylock so that there was a captive threaded post to bolt on the 
fender.

In the end I think it turned out to be a pretty sweet ride. I never thought 
a kickstand install could be so complicated.
Next step is a brake upgrade, then I gotta replace these cottered cranks.













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[RBW] Silent bell until needed

[Deacon Patrick]

Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even when 
not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the most 
silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, uterly silent 
when you don't?

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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

[Patrick Moore]

I've restored a great deal of clarity to plastic car lens covers with fine
auto body rubbing compound. Not a guarantee, just a thought.

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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[George Schick]

Many people using MUP's nowadays are just about as bad distracted drivers. 
 Here's a link from a recumbent rider's blog that pretty much sums it up:

http://www.bentrideronline.com/?p=4132


On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 7:33:06 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?

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[RBW] Wanted: 64cm quickbeam

[Jeffrey B]

Please message me with what you've got, and how much you need for shipping 
to the DC area. Thanks!

Jeff
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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

[lum gim fong]

Will the plastic lens hold up on salty winter roads?
Will it fog over eventually like plastic car light lenses?

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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[John A. Bennett]

On a related note regarding multi-use paths:

When riding at night, *please don't employ your flashing strobe light *to 
make us aware of your presence. Those things blind the rest of us when 
we're trying to pass you going in the opposite direction, and we really 
can't tell exactly *where *you are. 

Further, they're disconcerting when you are overtaking us. 

*Use the solid beam. On low. And point it down.*

This is especially true if *A) *You live in Portland, Oregon. *B) *You ride 
south on the Eastbank Esplanade. *C) *Between the hours of 5:30PM and 
6:30PM.

Happy 2017,

John 



On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 5:33:06 PM UTC-8, Tim wrote:
>
> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Patrick Moore]

Good advice; and I'll add: recall with confidence that you have as much
right to the path as anyone else.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Christopher Murray <
chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think you got it right with "you just can't win" bc no matter what you
> decide you will never please 100% of the people. Someone is ALWAYS going to
> be upset regardless of what you do (ring, on your left, beep beep, etc.).
> Be confident that you are doing the best, most polite, respectful thing and
> just let the haters hate. It is them, not you.
>
> Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Patrick Moore]

I find women of a certain age and class to be the most self-righteously
unpleasant among path users; and this one turned without looking and then
blamed you?

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Christopher Cote <
christopherjamesc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> She yelled "nice bell" as if to mean that I should have rung a bell. I
> guess she was right. I'm going to try and be better about ringing at
> everyone now.
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Re: [RBW] Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Patrick Moore]

If the path is regularly and frequently used by cyclists, then I think
normal people expect bicycles to come up behind them and keep their wits
about them.

That said, I also think it's polite to warn pedestrians, and when I don't
have a bell, I do so by saying "Cyclist!", which works better than "on your
left". It has the advantage of being just one word that is easily
understood.

There are nasty people on recreational trails from time to time, and I try
to ignore them. OTOH, there are criminally clueless people, like the 2
young mothers walking blithely *toward* me one day, straddling both lanes,
who were utterly oblivious to my approaching yells until I almost ran into
them.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 6:33 PM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT.
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?
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Re: [RBW] Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Scott Henry]

Am I the only one who avoids paths like the plague?Though I do have a
brass bell on a few of my bikes, but only for the beautiful look of
tarnished brass.

Ride on the road.
Scott


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/27/2016 11:50 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
>> I have always wondered this. Alerting pedestrians felt like I was
>> annoying them 99% of the times to avoid that 1% chance of collision.  I
>> love the beep beep suggestion.  Whenever my toddler son is riding with me,
>> I'm going to delegate beep beep responsibility to him.  Natural fit.
>> Win-win!
>>
>
> It can't be 99:1 -- far too many people say thanks when you do for it to
> be anything like that.  If anything, it's 1% annoyance vs 99% anything from
> thanks to indifference.
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Re: [RBW] Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/27/2016 11:50 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
I have always wondered this. Alerting pedestrians felt like I 
was annoying them 99% of the times to avoid that 1% chance of 
collision.  I love the beep beep suggestion.  Whenever my toddler son 
is riding with me, I'm going to delegate beep beep responsibility to 
him.  Natural fit.  Win-win!


It can't be 99:1 -- far too many people say thanks when you do for it to 
be anything like that.  If anything, it's 1% annoyance vs 99% anything 
from thanks to indifference.


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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Kevin Lindsey]

I can tell that this is going to be a long-lived discussion.
My main route takes me on two relatively popular bike paths, both of which 
require that the cyclist make a noise before passing.  While the bell is a 
pleasant option, I found that it often doesn't penetrate through to those 
who are plugged in or otherwise distracted.  Further, it's not clear to me 
that all foreign cultures recognize a bike bell for what it is and means, 
and we have lots and lots of foreigners on our bike paths here in the 
Washington, D.C. area.  Also, as one of those who can't easily tell his 
left from his right, I find "on your left!" to be a chore, and I know what 
would happen if I were to try and pass someone who also is latitudinally 
challenged or who doesn't speak English.  Instead, I yell "passing!" when 
I'm reasonably certain that I'm close enough to be heard, then follow up 
with a "good morning" or "merry Christmas" when going by.  At a minimum, 
even those who don't speak English will know that someone is heading their 
way, and a short, punching "passing!" seems to penetrate better than a 
long, drawn-out "on your left!"  
This having been said, there are some pedestrians who are so lost in their 
thoughts or conversations that nothing short of gunfire will wake them out 
of their reveries.  Despite loud warnings before passing, I've been 
inadvertently spat on by oxygen-deprived runners who simply don't register 
my presence, and once had someone clear his nostrils on me as I passed.  
All profusely apologized, but the damage was done.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 8:33:06 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Steve Palincsar]

Another vote for bells here.  Where I live, riding from home (i.e., 
without driving to a remote ride start) is impossible without riding on 
one of the most popular MUPs in the country (so much for avoiding the 
problem by not riding there) and especially near the District of 
Columbia many of the walkers are foreign tourists who don't understand 
English.  A bell is a universal symbol, understood everywhere.  But 
Tim's right about many people not noticing, no matter what the warning: 
runners lost in their own heads, people listening to music - they're 
just not paying attention.



On 12/28/2016 07:26 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

no, I don't.
Bell.  I always ring mine twice.  As soon as I think be heard, and 
again just before I pass.  I usually get thanked for it by the 
pedestrian, and people who need to adjust their width and do so will 
get thanked by me.
Dogs on leash, as much warning as possible.  Out of control masters, I 
may ring 6 or 7 times.
For the rest, especially earbudworld and always with children, 
anticipate panic stop.


On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 7:33:06 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:

Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a
walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by
without warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something
else, or not ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I
was riding my Roadeo today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't
have a bell yet. A bell is my much preferred method of warning
that I'm there. But I find that many people are startled by a bell
just as much as "on your left." Or they have earbuds in and don't
here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is that 50% of
the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride with
the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER
WHAT. I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's
a family, and try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think
about it, it really seems to me that a warning of any type only
works with about half of the people out there. On the other hand,
I passed a woman one day without warning her, she was on the far
right and I was on the far left, at least 5 feet away, and she was
pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like it. So
sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?




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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I find that using my bell that I bought from Rivendell gets a better 
response than :"on your left" because the bell is more audible at a farther 
distance giving the hiker/walker more warning.
The bell either gets a wave, a smile, or a smile and a thank you!
Jon


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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Les Lammers]

I've had that happen on trails in Big Cypress and am considering one of 
these: http://www.mtbbell.com/ 

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 9:30:53 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> The other day I had to negotiate MUP passage with an 8 point buck and his 
> does. We just watched each other for what felt like several minutes. Then 
> they went into the woods.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
>> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
>> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
>> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
>> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
>> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
>> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
>> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
>> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
>> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
>> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
>> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
>> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
>> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
>> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
>> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
>> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?
>
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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Rusty Click]

I believe that you should always signal when passing on multi use trails. 
 It is often 'required' by the trail rules, and it is certainly common 
courtesy whether it is written on a sign or not.
Signaling could be verbal, or a bell.  Just because you are the only two 
people on the trail, and the pedestrian is far right (with or without pet), 
and you plan on cruising by on the far left, doesn't mean it is OK to not 
signal.  The pedestrian could be on a bluetooth headset getting 
instructions from their spouse, or paying attention to the dog who is 
paying attention to the squirrel, or engrossed in the social media wonders 
of their phone.  You just don't know, so call out, or ring the bell, or 
both.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 8:33:06 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?

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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Garth]

I was going to offer yet another "solution" but man oh man, it is quite 
apparent to me that the only real "solution" is to never be a problem in 
the first place, hence no solutions either as they are 2 sides of a same 
coin.  For all the solving ever solved, problems are as many as ever 
.not one thing hss changed.

So Tim, just ride and enjoy the day :)


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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Ron Mc]

fair warning, There is a class of runners out there who will intentionally 
widen themselves when a bike is trying to pass.  I don't know if it's 
something kicked around in running bulletin boards, but it is an 
intentional act, pressing right of way, and seemingly wanting to force the 
bicycle to stop or leave the path.  

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 6:44:08 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Bike bells are essential for deer.  They know where you are, they know 
> your speed, and usually stop in their tracks.  My hilly neighborhood has a 
> huge deer herd.  I've also been descending 40 mph from the 
> Guadalupe/Pedernales divide and had a charging buck otherwise intersecting 
> me stop dead in its tracks at the sound of my bell.  
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 8:30:53 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> The other day I had to negotiate MUP passage with an 8 point buck and his 
>> does. We just watched each other for what felt like several minutes. Then 
>> they went into the woods.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Ron Mc]

Bike bells are essential for deer.  They know where you are, they know your 
speed, and usually stop in their tracks.  My hilly neighborhood has a huge 
deer herd.  I've also been descending 40 mph from the Guadalupe/Pedernales 
divide and had a charging buck otherwise intersecting me stop dead in its 
tracks at the sound of my bell.  

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 8:30:53 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> The other day I had to negotiate MUP passage with an 8 point buck and his 
> does. We just watched each other for what felt like several minutes. Then 
> they went into the woods.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Ron Mc]

no, I don't.  
Bell.  I always ring mine twice.  As soon as I think be heard, and again 
just before I pass.  I usually get thanked for it by the pedestrian, and 
people who need to adjust their width and do so will get thanked by me.  
Dogs on leash, as much warning as possible.  Out of control masters, I may 
ring 6 or 7 times.  
For the rest, especially earbudworld and always with children, anticipate 
panic stop.  

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 7:33:06 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?

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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for that perspective, Ian. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that 
I've been on an MUP as anything but a cyclist. Back in the day when I was a 
runner (thus the fake knees today) I ran on the sidewalk, and today I don't 
really go for walks, so I've really only cycled on the paths, and haven't 
experienced walking with a bike coming by. Incidentally, there are 2 bells on 
the Riv order that should be arriving today, one for the Roadeo and one for the 
GFs Sam. 

One other thing: When I was working in Louisville, there is a wonderful 
pedestrian/bike bridge (old converted RR) across the Ohio River. On nice days 
it is really, really busy. There were a couple of cyclists on one of those 
days, and the woman was incessantly ringing her bell. To me, that was the same 
as hollering "Coming through, clear a path for me!" I kind of thought that was 
rude, as if she felt by ringing the bell constantly it gave her the right of 
way. I rode across the bridge all of the time but on days like that, you just 
had to be very patient and really, really slow. There's way too much going on. 
But on the other hand, she was going slow, not ringing the bell and blowing by 
people, so I should give her a break too. 


Peace,
Tim "who probably shouldn't cast stones" Kirch

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Cheviot Complete

[Les Lammers]

As your Bike-o-Therapist I suggest you stop Jonesing and go for a ride on 
your Cheviot. :-)

On Sunday, December 25, 2016 at 12:52:10 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> we'll see. still mulling this over quite a bit.

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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

[Peter White]

The lens is plastic.

You can use any 6 volt Busch & Müller, Schmidt or Spanninga taillight with
it. If you use a Supernova taillight, the taillight will have no
standlight. I don't know about other brands of taillights, but most should
work.

Peter White

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 3:05 AM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> 1. Is the lens glass?
> 2. Can you run a SON rear dyno tail light off it?
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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

[lum gim fong]

1. Is the lens glass?
2. Can you run a SON rear dyno tail light off it?

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