You're right. That was my bad. I'm quick to jump into an existing
conversation sometimes, and to blab the first thoughts that come to mind even
when they don't add anything, but shy about starting my own.
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Since you're reading this thread, Grant, I had an idea and some thoughts
for what they're worth:
When an item is out of stock, maybe the website could give a better
explanation of *why* its out of stock and, in certain cases, offer the
option to purchase anyway.In other words, is the item
Whoa, hadn't read this yet, but seems like more than a 'hint.' I've been
telling myself that with a pending purchase of the new Atlantis, I would own
all the Rivendells (if not bikes) that I'd ever need. But that assumed "making
due" with my too-big-frame but just-right-700c Clem. I think I'd
There was a bubba tube in there, too. New atlantis tube is nice, but the rosco
bubbes were still the coolest ever. I do like "rainbow" though.
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On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 2:42:20 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> We have not yet seen what the two larger sizes will look like, but wasn't
> there a seat tube to downtube double top tube in there?
> Inspiration could have come from this:
>
>
By golly, that's probably pretty close. Pasting the photo here for
prosperity after the auction goes away:
On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 2:42:20 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
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> We have not yet seen what the two larger sizes will look like, but wasn't
> there a seat tube to downtube double top
This in ADDITION to th "billie bar?" Wow, they are slaying it.
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Thanks for posting. I've never followed anything on facebook too closely
(even before the current dust-up), so I wouldn't have seen this. I thought
that page was more about pictures than conversations. From a quick read,
it didn't sound too inflammatory or troll-ish, thankfully. Mostly a
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Rambouillet-Fork-Lugged-Steel-Road-Bike-Fork-1inch-Threaded-Japan-700c/323190037736?hash=item4b3fa09ce8:g:3TYAAOSwH1VaxWRc
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>From the chainring, i think this was Raleigh's factory, btw.
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I just stumbled on this video, and think many of you might enjoy it.
Especially if you tend to geek out on history & manufacturing techniques like I
do.
Takeaways:
I clearly need to find better a terminology than "bottom bracket" for
describing the spindle/bearing/cup assembly or cartridge
Man, so sorry to hear. I completely empathize with the 'want to throw up'
sentiment. I feel physically ill every time I look at ding in the top tube
of particular frame of mine.
More bad news: I seem to recall a recent thread that said that Riv was out
of Rambouillet decals. But you
I'm just guessing like everybody else of course, but I can't imagine this
not fitting on the Atlantis or even Tim's Appaloosa. The Rat Trap Pass
comes in at quite a bit under the labeled size so, if the same hold true
here, it shouldn't even be close.
The Hunquapillar and Clem, on the
I think I've even seen something that says a frame size as much as "4 cm less
than than would fit on the old 2.5 degree models" is ideal. I'm going to be
offline for a bit and unable to corroborate that with a reference though.
In the meantime, standover heights for the new atlanti ARE
Joe, why do you say the top tubes are shorter than on the appaloosa? I guess
I'm not seeing that unless you mean they will "feel" shorter if you raise the
handlebars, because the head tube is a half or whole degree more slack?
What I'm seeing is that these look like they might have been
Ah, thanks. And "a limited number" appears to be about 9 or 10 of a size.
"Elude" should be "allude," of course.
On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:38:31 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Keith: The details are still being uploaded so you probably haven't seen
> this yet. The pre-sale price is $100
So have any locals, who have been able to see and ride the sample, looked
at the bottom bracket and are you able to describe it better? I'm still
wondering what "combination tigged / fillet brazed" means. That's the only
unknown detail that gives me any pause whatsoever.
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RE Geometry:
I haven't delved into the details too deeply yet, but speaking personally
as one who long wanted but never quite fit one of the old Atlanti sizes -
nor *most* of the more recent 6 degree models - these appear to be* just
different enough*! I'd have adequate stand over
To be fair, the brake bosses look like they're tig welded, not brazed. The
welds -at least the ones we can see-aren't pretty, but that method was probably
chosen for reasons of strength. A builder's eye would be better than mine, but
i think you can see there was decent penetration. I can't
To think, we almost lost track of you for a while there.
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It's akin to high-centering on a speed bump in a car with low clearance and a
long wheelbase.
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Again, purely a guess on my part. Hope I'm right.
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On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 11:46:05 AM UTC-6, Kainalu V. wrote:
>
>
> Is that in fact the case? Covering tig welds with a brass fillet? I
> assumed it would be more like a tigged front triangle with brass in the
> back. I know that some builders use electric welding of one type or another
>
That graph is cool. A bit like a venn diagram, but better. Here's an
interesting open source diagram that compares stack and reach of various
known bikes. I bet this service/function could be used to map "function,"
too, by someone more ambitious than me:
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:31:15 PM UTC-6, Dave Small wrote:
>
> I've been out on a 6-day tour and mostly offline, and got home today to
> the Blug and this 128-post (as I type) string. I've just read through 'em
> all and Scott is the only one who's broached the thing I latched onto
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 9:55:05 PM UTC-6, phil k wrote:
>
> Iono I'm liking the new Atlantis better.
Me too. It just looks "right" for what it is. Or at least for what I've
personally always wanted an Atlantis for - which is a fat/knobby-tired road
bike that i can comfortably ride
>
> .
>
>
> You have snow on the ground 7 months a year? If so, maybe your "other
> bike" should be something like this
>
>
>
:-) You mock, but if you only knew here's the road and hot springs 10
miles from my house. These tourists are shuttled up on dog sleds, riding
side-by-side
ounder (ie: Atlantis) the 'fringe' bike among them -
unless they're talking the 'other' end of the spectrum.
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SFA4zo-kSSQ/WrQvWVPsnKI/L_g/YRDFscaaPwsQpB0em5U6RHndb0zq6UgXgCLcBGAs/s1600/4WYSteeds.jpg>
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 3:49:28 PM UTC-6,
Jeesh, you guys. I think that I, or maybe most of us, forget how
idiosyncratic our world views are. I'm certainly guilty of forgetting
that most of this forum is made up of people how live in or near urban
areas and ride on paved surfaces - however 'rough' they may be. But
remember that
Oops. I was typing while Grant was responding. i don't think I
contradicted him.
So here are some semi-related questions that I'm thinking about with the
the backdrop of today's news over the newly escalating trade war:
- Do tariffs and sanctions on China affect Taiwan as well? Or are they
So everybody realizes that the picture on the Blug is of a 26" wheel bike,
and that it exaggerates the appearance of chainstay length, right?
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:39:15 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ryan: I know nothing about modern mountain bikes and am mystified by the
>
It was actually Dave who used (qoined - no pun intended) the "penny difference"
analogy.
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... I mean think of this: There was a long period of time during which
Rivendell was the ONLY bike company who offered road and touring- type
bikes with rational tire clearance and a proper fit. The beautiful frame
details and business ethic were simply icing on the cake. Nowadays, you
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 8:18:42 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the next Rosco/Roadini project should be a Rosco-Hunq.
>>
>>
>> Also, I kind of think that that's exactly what the Clem Smith Jr.
project was: Just as the Rosco Bubbes' impetus grew out of a stockpile of
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 8:18:42 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> With a Tiawan-built Atlantis 'a little bit more' than an Appaloosa is
> there a compelling reason to hold on to the Appaloosa in Riv's line up?
> ... That leaves the AHH, Roadeo, Hunq and MUSA Atlantis frames in the
>
Maybe "tunnels" like Ritchey and Potts used?
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That's my understanding too, which is why it's such a curious decision. Made
sense for the limited-run FJS, but presumably this will remain a permanent
model. 6 degree top tube indicates fewer configurations / sizes likely.
Another thing about the FJS is that it didn't require cable routing
Very interesting news. So many questions
Ironically, the 2016 geometry revisions - particularly the addition of the
59cm/650b - have had me seriously trying to figure out how to swing an
Atlantis purchase for the first time ever. I've continued to think of that
model as my aspirational
On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 8:34:47 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
>
>
> Grant has pictures and comments on his latest blagh just saw it this
> morning...
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/early-march
>
>
>
Really cool bike! But what I want to know is "what is
Hopefully I can put this here and everybody will understand I do so for
interest's sake only. REI joins the boycot:
https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-news/rei-halts-orders-popular-outdoor-brands-including-camelbak-bell-giro-response-nra-boycott/
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Yes, today was the deadline, right? If anybody hears, please post an
update. I'm sure little ol' me can't have much effect but, if it helps put
things over the edge, I can try to defer some other expenses to get a
couple more credits and/or purchase something that I wan't but don't yet
need.
On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 12:14:48 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> I would like to see Riv make a bigger commitment to their entire clothing
> line. Between my Hunqapillar and Rambouillet I'm all set, bike-wise, so
> I've pretty much hit a wall in terms of hardware needs. But I'm always
Well if nothing else, it is a timely topic. The following headlines just
started coming across my news feed, from today's news cycle. NBC, BBC, New
York Magazine, Wall Street Journal, CBS. All talking about how such
boycots are having an effect. It's a veritable mainstream media
Cross-post of potential interest for you, Max:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/C-GR9CSI-TI
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 10:40:46 AM UTC-7, Max S wrote:
>
> Just like it says on the tin: have an orange size medium Rivendell
> Hubbuhubbuh Tandem, but would prefer a
I learned of and watched a "new" charlie brown christmas special this
year. Had me cracking up - despite some eerie, seemingly prophetic
allegories to the current political climate and me-too movement. Here's a
snipit, but there's much more of the same where this came from:
Max, I didn't read your message properly at first. Don't know if you
noticed, but there are still small sage Hubba Hubba frames available, while
the mediums are long gone. I know its a hassle but I'd bet you could find
someone who wants that orange medium, since its the most needed size, and
Congrats. That's really cool you found one. Don't beat it up "too" much.
My 2 cents:
- If by "riv stock" you mean nitto, consider using a different, cheap
seatpost for a while. The kid seat will most likely clamp around the post
and mar it up. Not long after that, you'll likely get a
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 6:49:23 AM UTC-7, Max S wrote:
>
>
> Biggest impulse purchase ever, but such an easy riding bike, and fun for
> the whole family! Wanted the sage colorway in size small. Alas, they ran
> out, so we settled on orange in medium — less good, because it’s more
>
That's speaking your peace and countin' to three for certain!
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First production QBs ended up being made by Panasonic, I believe.
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Total speculation:
the QB was conceived as a low cost, utilitarian bike with minimal frills. The
stamped steel dropouts were stong and effective (not to mention ingenious at
the time), but not especially pretty. The FJ was intended to be very much the
opposite.
Plus, manufacturing and
Don't beat yourself up, john. You would have only had a 5 second window to get
one anyway. I wonder what it would cost to have Blue Lug ship one.
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So I'm not sure what happened with the delay in the public message here,
but Paul was nice enough to respond and we finished this conversation by
PM. Just wanted to say though that, for anyone considering this, you
should take a good hard look. His bike is gorgeous and, as I told Paul,
it's
Tom - regarding the 2x chainring wide/low configuration: It's not a
problem at all - you just might need a longer bb spindle. That's what I
have on mine, with a pant guard in the outer position. Fender needed
notching, but tire is fine. One great thing about this setup, that I've
never
When I was first building up my 59cm Clem, I used 2.4 Maxis Ardents. I can
only find the few random photos below, though. They fit the frame just
fine but, as you note, the front would likely be too tight with a fender in
use. (Kind of a nitpick of mine actually - that something that is as
If so, could I please see some photos and bother you to take some measurements?
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56cm version of the Clem Smith Jr.; 700c wheels like the 59, but perhaps
slightly shorter chainstays; all-lugged construction. Done.
I know that the Clem was conceived as a 'beater' bike of sorts, but why
shouldn't the bike I ride 75% of the time be my nicest? If/when I do a
custom, this
On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 8:51:54 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>
> I have 22 bicycles, 9 of them Rivs ...
>
Nothing to add to the main disucssion, but DAMN. I thought I was the worst
one here! You're my new hero! (Really)
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On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 5:19:36 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
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> ... The fact that they spec bikes with parts that could have been found 30
> years ago is what makes them endearing.
>
>
^ This is true. However, because I'm the kind of guy who will only buy a
bike that I
(Please excuse my sloppy typing and syntax in the above posts. Too much of
a hurry today, and wish there was an edit feature...)
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Grant made comment in the last year or so, that the idea of a "plus" sized,
hunqapillar-ish bike came up several times a year among Riv staff members.
Thought maybe your inquiry was dovetailing with other, ongoing concept
ideas...
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 2:20:03 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard
Wait - are you saying Roman indicated that this could become a
possibility? I've avoided the temptation of posting to your other thread,
because I have way too many dream bikes / fantasies / wishes. However in
regards to this particular model idea, I'll give an emphatic "yes," but
with the
Funny. I use velocity rims as often as possible, because i like to buy
american-made. I bought one custom built, full wheel from them and my customer
service experience was also fantastic. The only reason I've never done it
again is because they only have black hubs. Who are all these
On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 6:32:49 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
Call RBW And ask which of their bikes has the thinnest tubing and shortest
> chains stays. I’m no expert but I think
... they will tell you that your priorities are skewed and that you're
shopping at the wrong bike
René, since nobody has said it yet, thank you for making the effort!
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The Romulus came in a canti version. It was basically an inexpensive
version of the Rambouillet. Not sure how it compared to the Legolas,
weight-wise . I always assumed that since Legolases (Legola? Legoli?)
were/are built-to-order as a cyclocross racing specific bike, that the
tubing was
The fact that the Sams are again being offered in a canti version makes
them a hard option to ignore but, if you really want to try the lighter
bike or it is more in lines with your budget, I agree with the minority
here who predict that the Roadini would be perfectly adequate.
For what it's
That 57 is still sitting there specifically so that Patrick Moore, who's been
saying for ages that he'd like to get a more road-ish Rivendell singlespeed,
has had every possible opportunity to pull the trigger.
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Yes, measurement is to the TOP of the seat tube or, more accurately, to the top
of the lug measured at the SIDE of the seat tube. (Scalloped shape makes it
confusing.)
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Deacon Patrick, glad you're back! Justin, WOW. Congratulations - daughters are
the best. Merry Christmas, group!
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Glad to hear you pulled the trigger, after all that. Congratulations
On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
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> they said its a homer blue and thats what i ordered
>
>>
>>
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I'm just catching up - but that sounds like what i expected to happen with
the 59. Glad I didn't want one, because work would have kept me away at
the crucial moment - not unlike trying to sign my kids up for after-school
clubs. Such a bummer that Grant couldn't get one though.
I'm not
>"But with long (and slanted!) track ends, why not fixed? What am I missing?"
I had to read it a couple of times to understand, not being a fixed gear rider.
Basically, he's saying there's too much chance of pedal strikes with such a
low bottom bracket. Think corners without the ability to
Assuming the grilver is the same or similar to the first batch of clems and
then cheviots, I'll say it is way better in person. Single handedly made me
like metalic colors again. And, unlike any other riv color i can recall, it
looks equally fantastic with black components or that cheap
Thanks for posting. It's interesting reading the old pre-release stuff,
and comparing to how it came out in the end. Did Curt and Joe actually
build the first QBs, or did they go straight to Panasonic? Anybody know?
On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 3:10:10 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> I finally
Here it is. Send him a PM.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/tony$20xo-2$20fork%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/XzUkZ8LS6sM/-f-NvmvBBAAJ
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
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> Seems like there was somebody else recently, on thi
Seems like there was somebody else recently, on this list or the ibob list,
looking for a fork with more clearance and enough steerer tube for a 59cm
XO-2. Tony, perhaps? Maybe somebody else will remember, or I can find the
thread.
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 8:44:38 AM UTC-7, Conway
The perforations should allow the tape to breathe and dry out after a ride,
meaning LESS moisture buildup, if anything. I always thought that was the
reason for the perforations in the first place.
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Replacing an axle and adding spacers is ORDINARILY very easy, and that's the
place to get them. The question here is whether or not the suzue hub has a
typical threaded axle with screw-on cone/race that can be transferred, or if it
has some sort of fixed shoulder that's part of the axle. I'd
I have a set of 26" bolt-on, 120mm suzue hub wheels that i wanted to convert to
QR axles once. When sheldon was alive, he told me that it wasn't practical to
change axles on those suzue hubs, unfortunately. I would assume that swapping
in a longer one would be equally difficult, but don't
Damn. Gotta be fast around here.
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All of the first gen All Rounders had 26" wheels. Toward the end of the
model's run (early 00s), frames this size and larger moved to 700c. (I think
Grant mainly liked the proportions better.) Prior to that, there just weren't
wide enough tires available for the big wheels. 26" still has a
Hmmm...
First of all, congrats on the family!
As it turns out, I have a well-used 60cm Quickbeam that I've been
considering putting some love into, including a new paint job. One of the
things that's kept me from doing so is the thought that, if I'm going to go
to the trouble, I should
( I meant to say R-539 brakes on both of the above instances - not 533 )
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I'm curious about Don's comments regarding tire clearance. Does the Roadeo
really have more chainstay clearance than the Rambouillet? It sure doesn't
look like it in the last thumbnail image currently on the website. I'm also not
sure this is the critical area - I would have guessed that the
is similarly flared
outward, EXCEPT that the very end is bent back toward parallel with the
bike frame, to solve the problem I mentioned.
On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 8:48:16 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> My preference for "normal" dirt drops like the WTB and Nitto one
My preference for "normal" dirt drops like the WTB and Nitto ones, is
aligned with the flare of the bar - so rotated a bit from vertical. Part
of the reason for the flare is that it more closely mirrors the natural
angle of your grip. If you rotate the bar-end shifters vertically, you
have
Give the wider bar some time. I can almost promise that, after you get
used to it, you will never be able to use narrower bars again!
Part of the reason this works is because the new geometries are so much
better than the old NORBA ones.
On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 11:17:05 AM UTC-7,
A suitable pipe cutter is going to be cheaper than the bike shop labor -
especially in these days of Chinese imports. For me, that's always a
no-brainer rationalization for owning a new tool. Next time it will be
free, plus you'll have it available for plumbing projects, too! FYI, using
a
Damn, I wish this was a 3-Speed. Somebody from the flatter parts of the
country should snag this deal.
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By the way, I think I saw Grant say that the chainstays on the Blue Lug
single speed frames are going to be fillet brazed at the bottom bracket
(?) I'm sure that adds to the cost a bit but, in case anybody doesn't
think it's worth it or is bothered by the idea of a non-lugged connection,
On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 5:37:31 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> From what Grant's written about the coming bike.. "• 120 rear spacing, new
> rear dropouts---track style...two eyes for rak & fendr. No der tab. Angle
> like Quickbeam's, long, too." it may work
>
>
>
Judging by the number
On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 5:55:49 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
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> Anyone think this could work? 120mm O.L.D.
> https://janheine.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/hub_gb_hf_5sp_6sp.jpg
>
> Could use spacers and the like if you want to run a true single speed
> setup or could maybe make a 5speed
Agree that the appaloosa is not comparable, with it's smaller tire clearance.
The ability to fit a 2.5" tire, with fenders, is what sets the clem and hunq
apart.
If one of the clems fits really well, I'd have a hard time telling someone they
would should get a hunq. But don't compromise if
On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 11:03:50 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
> In that case, why do models like the Rodeo and Blue Lug SS need to have more
> limited clearance than, say the Hillborne, considering they all can use the
> same model of long reach brakes?
>
> IanA/Edmonton Canada where wider
You didn't actually ask a question. ;-) But from my observations, I think
Riv has always correlated fatter tires with larger loads. Or at least a
propensity for a rider to try to haul more than they should. So i think that
if a particular model is designed for unloaded, fast riding and
Have you considered just buying an additional bike for winter use? In the
end, it might not cost much more, would probably be less hassle, and would
help preserve your precious Hunquapillar by sparing it from harsh winter
riding conditions. Used fat bikes are unbelievably cheap these days.
You are a true gem, Philip. I learned recently that there is a Rivendell
Owner's page on facebook, too. It's a closed group, so you won't be
broadcasting to all of facebook. Might be worth a try as well.
On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 9:42:43 AM UTC-6, Philip Meyer wrote:
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> Hi All,
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I think you've gotten your answer, but wanted to add my vote that you
absolutely want the 52. No question. I think it would be almost perfect, which
makes you very lucky because the limited number of sizes can be a problem. Im
6'1 1/2" with a 87cm pbh, and my 59 is marginally too big. Reach
Damn, that's a nice looking bike! Looks like it fits well, too. I don't
usually like black components. But that is a tasteful combination.
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