[RBW] Re: Which swept back bars for a Hillborne?

[E. Ricky Creek]

Chocomoose!!!


On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:

> [image: 35DF0035-F6A0-49C3-BB9B-463FC58E96E2.jpeg]These are them on my 
> new to me Saluki.  I put them on both bikes. 
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:09:28 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [image: 08D383C3-5CC3-42D6-844A-873D524C1A5A.jpeg]
>> I’m using Choco bars now after using Albatross for years.  I like the 
>> Choco bars more. 
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:59:43 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I originally set up my Hillborne with Nitto B115s years ago with aTallux 
>>> 100mm stem.  Fairly quickly switched to Albatross bars on the same stem.  
>>> Have had them on the bike for 6 years.  This past year I switched over to 
>>> Choco bars and a 110mm FacePlater stem (to make up for the loss in rise 
>>> going from the Albas to the Chocos.  I loved the look of the Albas and 
>>> can't beat the fact that the bike can be turned upside down on the bars and 
>>> saddle for tire changes and such.  I run the Chocos inverted as I like the 
>>> angle it places my wrists in. My favorite hand position on the bars is at 
>>> or just forward of the brake levers, and with the Chocos, there is a bit 
>>> more room just forward of the brake levers and the curve of the bars.  I 
>>> originally set up my Disc Trucker this way when I built it up last August 
>>> and liked it so much I decided to run the same bars on the Hillborne.  Here 
>>> is a picture of the arrangement.  Only difference for the Hillborne is the 
>>> stem.  The foam covering I use affords a multitude of hand positions.
>>>
>>> [image: DSCF0067 copy.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:28:50 AM UTC-8 Erik Wright wrote:
>>>
 IMO it's hard to beat the look and feel of the Albatross. I've set up 
 my Sam with something like 6-7 different bars at this point; started with 
 the Albatross and finally came back around to that setup a few months 
 back. 
 It seems like most newer bars that Riv makes come back extra far to 
 complement the longer reach of their newer models. Since the Albatross 
 predates those bikes I think they strike a nice balance when coming from 
 drops. I think something like +2cm on a stem will keep the fit/feel from 
 popping you too upright if you're used to Noodles. I have an 11cm stem and 
 have considered a 12, but since it's pretty fine as-is I haven't bothered 
 with the swap.

 Shifter choice might also play into your decision. I have Microshift 
 thumbies flipped inboard which sorta takes away the "in between" hand 
 position because it clogs up the bars a bit. This is less of an issue on a 
 bar like Chocos because they have additional sweep. If you run bar ends, 
 you get that extra 2ish cm of sweep from the bar end pods and also get to 
 keep the "in between" position. I've been thinking about moving to stem 
 shifters or moving the thumbies up next to the stem in the forward-most 
 hand position.

 Erik, Philly

 On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> You will want a longer stem to move to sweptback.  How much longer 
> depends on which bars you choose. Unless you want to move to albastache 
> in 
> which case you can keep everything your noodles have. I like to go with a 
> shorter stem when moving from drops to albastache.  For conventional 
> sweptback my suggestion for first sweptback from drops is choco or losco. 
>  
> But it's really a preference thing and hinges on how upright you want to 
> be.
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:39:36 AM UTC-5 rcr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've got a Hillborne which I've always used with noodle bars, but 
>> want to convert it to upright swept back bars.  Anybody else made a 
>> similar 
>> conversion, and which bars did you get?  Should I get a new stem?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which swept back bars for a Hillborne?

[Damien]

I actually went the other way, converting from Albatross to Noodles. With 
the Albas, I had a 12cm stem and bar end shifters (although I think 
thumbies would be better). They felt very upright for me - hence the move 
to Noodles - but I can't figure out whether I just didn't take to the 
sweepback of the Albas, or I was just used to drops. The Noodle setup is 
using 48cm noodles with a 7cm stem, although sometimes I wish it were 5cm 
or 6cm (or I just had compact bars). I'm going to try some SimWorks Fun 3s 
or Nitto Wavies with a 135 faceplater to see if that changes my mind on 
non-drop bars for this bike.

On Monday, 14 February 2022 at 11:28:50 UTC-5 Erik Wright wrote:

> IMO it's hard to beat the look and feel of the Albatross. I've set up my 
> Sam with something like 6-7 different bars at this point; started with the 
> Albatross and finally came back around to that setup a few months back. It 
> seems like most newer bars that Riv makes come back extra far to complement 
> the longer reach of their newer models. Since the Albatross predates those 
> bikes I think they strike a nice balance when coming from drops. I think 
> something like +2cm on a stem will keep the fit/feel from popping you too 
> upright if you're used to Noodles. I have an 11cm stem and have considered 
> a 12, but since it's pretty fine as-is I haven't bothered with the swap.
>
> Shifter choice might also play into your decision. I have Microshift 
> thumbies flipped inboard which sorta takes away the "in between" hand 
> position because it clogs up the bars a bit. This is less of an issue on a 
> bar like Chocos because they have additional sweep. If you run bar ends, 
> you get that extra 2ish cm of sweep from the bar end pods and also get to 
> keep the "in between" position. I've been thinking about moving to stem 
> shifters or moving the thumbies up next to the stem in the forward-most 
> hand position.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> You will want a longer stem to move to sweptback.  How much longer 
>> depends on which bars you choose. Unless you want to move to albastache in 
>> which case you can keep everything your noodles have. I like to go with a 
>> shorter stem when moving from drops to albastache.  For conventional 
>> sweptback my suggestion for first sweptback from drops is choco or losco.  
>> But it's really a preference thing and hinges on how upright you want to be.
>>
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:39:36 AM UTC-5 rcr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've got a Hillborne which I've always used with noodle bars, but want 
>>> to convert it to upright swept back bars.  Anybody else made a similar 
>>> conversion, and which bars did you get?  Should I get a new stem?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Which swept back bars for a Hillborne?

[Erik Wright]

IMO it's hard to beat the look and feel of the Albatross. I've set up my 
Sam with something like 6-7 different bars at this point; started with the 
Albatross and finally came back around to that setup a few months back. It 
seems like most newer bars that Riv makes come back extra far to complement 
the longer reach of their newer models. Since the Albatross predates those 
bikes I think they strike a nice balance when coming from drops. I think 
something like +2cm on a stem will keep the fit/feel from popping you too 
upright if you're used to Noodles. I have an 11cm stem and have considered 
a 12, but since it's pretty fine as-is I haven't bothered with the swap.

Shifter choice might also play into your decision. I have Microshift 
thumbies flipped inboard which sorta takes away the "in between" hand 
position because it clogs up the bars a bit. This is less of an issue on a 
bar like Chocos because they have additional sweep. If you run bar ends, 
you get that extra 2ish cm of sweep from the bar end pods and also get to 
keep the "in between" position. I've been thinking about moving to stem 
shifters or moving the thumbies up next to the stem in the forward-most 
hand position.

Erik, Philly

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> You will want a longer stem to move to sweptback.  How much longer depends 
> on which bars you choose. Unless you want to move to albastache in which 
> case you can keep everything your noodles have. I like to go with a shorter 
> stem when moving from drops to albastache.  For conventional sweptback my 
> suggestion for first sweptback from drops is choco or losco.  But it's 
> really a preference thing and hinges on how upright you want to be.
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:39:36 AM UTC-5 rcr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I've got a Hillborne which I've always used with noodle bars, but want to 
>> convert it to upright swept back bars.  Anybody else made a similar 
>> conversion, and which bars did you get?  Should I get a new stem?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which swept back bars for a Hillborne?

[Johnny Alien]

You will want a longer stem to move to sweptback.  How much longer depends 
on which bars you choose. Unless you want to move to albastache in which 
case you can keep everything your noodles have. I like to go with a shorter 
stem when moving from drops to albastache.  For conventional sweptback my 
suggestion for first sweptback from drops is choco or losco.  But it's 
really a preference thing and hinges on how upright you want to be.

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:39:36 AM UTC-5 rcr...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I've got a Hillborne which I've always used with noodle bars, but want to 
> convert it to upright swept back bars.  Anybody else made a similar 
> conversion, and which bars did you get?  Should I get a new stem?
>

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[RBW] Re: FS BQ back issues, Vancouver, local pickup

[Jason Fuller]

aw, looks like i'm too late :(  if somehow they end up available still i 
can etransfer you and pick up anytime!

On Saturday, 10 July 2021 at 06:36:19 UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:

>
> Spoken for, thank you
>>
>
> EricF 
> Vancouver BC
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[RBW] Re: FS BQ back issues, Vancouver, local pickup

[ericf3]

> Spoken for, thank you
>

EricF 
Vancouver BC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

[Chris L]

The page didn't give any details, just a statement that it might come back 
with a new design.  



On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 9:02:14 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The Hunq link doesn't work, at least it doesn't work for me. What are the 
> geometry changes to the new Hunq?
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 7:59 AM Alan H > 
> wrote:
>
>> That went fast! 
>>
>> Honestly, I wish that they wouldn't change it at all. I love that bike (I 
>> prefer the newer green and cream color scheme) and would buy one in a 
>> heartbeat if I didn't have to spend almost $3000 on the frame and then wait 
>> 6 months (or whatever it currently is) for delivery. I understand Grant's 
>> rationale for the geometry changes, and obviously he knows way more 
>> than me about bike design, but their recent moves to put ultra-long chain 
>> stays on everything just doesn't do it for me. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 7:06:47 PM UTC-7, Chris L wrote:
>>>
>>> RBW has a 53cm Hunqapillar prototype frameset (in the original gray/red 
>>> color scheme!) for sale with the statement that this is the last chance to 
>>> get a new "old style" Hunqapillar and that a redesigned, MUSA version may 
>>> be coming.   
>>>
>>> Having recently purchased a 54 Hunqapillar, I'm intrigued by what Grant 
>>> & Co. will do for a new version.  
>>>
>>> 53 cm Hunqapillar frameset 
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

[Jonathan D.]

I hear it will have disc brakes. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

[John G.]

I’m happy to see it back, but surprised about any geometry changes. I owned one 
briefly, and the handling was quite majestic. Totally unsuited to the majority 
of my riding, but a great bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

[Patrick Moore]

The Hunq link doesn't work, at least it doesn't work for me. What are the
geometry changes to the new Hunq?

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 7:59 AM Alan H  wrote:

> That went fast!
>
> Honestly, I wish that they wouldn't change it at all. I love that bike (I
> prefer the newer green and cream color scheme) and would buy one in a
> heartbeat if I didn't have to spend almost $3000 on the frame and then wait
> 6 months (or whatever it currently is) for delivery. I understand Grant's
> rationale for the geometry changes, and obviously he knows way more
> than me about bike design, but their recent moves to put ultra-long chain
> stays on everything just doesn't do it for me.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 7:06:47 PM UTC-7, Chris L wrote:
>>
>> RBW has a 53cm Hunqapillar prototype frameset (in the original gray/red
>> color scheme!) for sale with the statement that this is the last chance to
>> get a new "old style" Hunqapillar and that a redesigned, MUSA version may
>> be coming.
>>
>> Having recently purchased a 54 Hunqapillar, I'm intrigued by what Grant &
>> Co. will do for a new version.
>>
>> 53 cm Hunqapillar frameset
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

[Alan H]

That went fast! 

Honestly, I wish that they wouldn't change it at all. I love that bike (I 
prefer the newer green and cream color scheme) and would buy one in a 
heartbeat if I didn't have to spend almost $3000 on the frame and then wait 
6 months (or whatever it currently is) for delivery. I understand Grant's 
rationale for the geometry changes, and obviously he knows way more 
than me about bike design, but their recent moves to put ultra-long chain 
stays on everything just doesn't do it for me. 


On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 7:06:47 PM UTC-7, Chris L wrote:
>
> RBW has a 53cm Hunqapillar prototype frameset (in the original gray/red 
> color scheme!) for sale with the statement that this is the last chance to 
> get a new "old style" Hunqapillar and that a redesigned, MUSA version may 
> be coming.   
>
> Having recently purchased a 54 Hunqapillar, I'm intrigued by what Grant & 
> Co. will do for a new version.  
>
> 53 cm Hunqapillar frameset 
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

[Joe Bernard]

I'm curious what happened to the pre-sale plans for Gus. It's still hinted at 
in the Blahg, but most of it got edited out after a couple days. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Gus Boots and its iterations are already slated to be fillet-brazed in 
places.

On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 11:03:18 PM UTC-4, DarinM wrote:
>
> Looks like it sold fast. Pretty cool that they’re working with Steve Rex 
> now, it would be awesome to see them start using some fillet brazing on a 
> joint or two. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Itto big back rack med.

[RichS]

What Deacon and Drew said. I'll add: if you do cut the struts make sure you 
file and round the ends to remove the sharp edges.

Good luck,
Richard 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 8:50:57 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> The only potential issue could be cutting struts to size, which isn't hard 
> but requires a hacksaw. That part also may be unnecessary on your bike. 
> Otherwise, it's about the most straightforward thing you can do to a bike, 
> especially if you watch the riv installation video.
> If you don't have some washers or spacers, call riv and they'll throw some 
> in with your purchase. 

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[RBW] Re: Itto big back rack med.

[drew]

The only potential issue could be cutting struts to size, which isn't hard but 
requires a hacksaw. That part also may be unnecessary on your bike. Otherwise, 
it's about the most straightforward thing you can do to a bike, especially if 
you watch the riv installation video.
If you don't have some washers or spacers, call riv and they'll throw some in 
with your purchase. 

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[RBW] Re: Itto big back rack med.

[Deacon Patrick]

Absolutely! Absolutely not. Grin. That's like asking if it is easy to 
change a car tire. Can it be done? Yes. Is it fairly simple? It was for my 
Hunqapillar. Might there be unexpected bumps? Yes. Will they be 
surmountable? Yes. Can you do it? Of course. Was this helpful? Absolutely! 
Absolutely not. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 4:10:19 PM UTC-6, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Is this rack easy to put in a Sam if I do it myself?

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Ron Mc]

ps - I also vote don't push SA saddle all the way back - several of us have 
bent their rails.  

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Ron Mc]

The greatest setback on any seatpost made is the Nitto S84 lugged steel, 
which Rivendell sells - 40mm. 


Possibly can get a slightly better buy from Alex's Cycle in Japan, but 
haven't done XE stuff lately.  

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Garth]

I tried the VO post once but returned it. The clamp seems oddly short/small to 
me and I don't think that's a good thing long term. Plus, the setback is 30mm, 
that's not alot more than a typical 25mm. If you are darn sure you only need 
5mm then go for it or the Dia-Compe Gran Compe one that has the same setback 
but a better clamp. Otherwise get the S84 as it has either 37 or 45mm of 
setback, different sites list it differently. I have an S84 and it oozes 
quality, from the looks to the feel adjusting it with the the bolts. 

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Kai Vierstra]

Velo Boreange?!
As Garth said, nitto S-84 seatpost is the way to go, shimmed. Not only does it 
have mega setback, but it'll add a lug to your lug hungry Clem. My Clem loves 
it's classy 84, and it's feathery steel! Might be cheap from Alex Cycles, but 
better bought from your guy in Walnut Creek.
-Kai
BK NY 

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Ed Carolipio]

+1 on the VO for lots of setback. It's pricey, but oh so shiny.

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:21:44 PM UTC-7, Austin B wrote:
>
> Velo Orange makes are large setback post with 30.2mm of setback: 
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/seatposts/vo-grand-cru-seat-post-long-setback-1668.html
>
> It's a 27.2 diameter so you'd still need the shim.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Austin B]

Velo Orange makes are large setback post with 30.2mm of setback: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/seatposts/vo-grand-cru-seat-post-long-setback-1668.html

It's a 27.2 diameter so you'd still need the shim.

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Davey,

I needed a lot of setback so I bought a setback post with 26mm setback. At 
the same time I purchased a different saddle because my sit bones didn't 
like the c17. I purchased a Ergon saddle and noticed it had 14mm longer 
rails. They make a ton of saddles too many IMO but you might consider one 
of them. How much setback are you looking for? 

Not trying to highjack the post but I hadn't realized the Clem seat tube 
inside diameter was so much larger? Anyone know why Grant & company went 
that design route? Did they go with oversized tubing for a strengthening 
purpose?

~hugh

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-7, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone!
> I need a little more setback than whats offered by the stock seatpost on 
> my clem. The diameter is 29.8. I haven't been able to find much available, 
> and nothing that has any improvement with regards to additional set back. 
> Any suggestions? I guess the other option I could explore would be a saddle 
> with longer rails than my B17. Maybe a San Anatomica?
>

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Garth]

   If you really like that particular saddle and/or style, I'd try the shim 
and a Nitto s-84 seatpost , although it will look kinda odd as it the shim 
has a lip on it so it won't be flush since Riv seat clusters are curled up 
to a point. If you're handy with a file or dremel of you could file off the 
part of the lip that interferes with the curl-up. 

 I myself would rather go the shim/sp route so you can use any saddle 
you want. 



On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:55:59 PM UTC-4, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone!
> I need a little more setback than whats offered by the stock seatpost on 
> my clem. The diameter is 29.8. I haven't been able to find much available, 
> and nothing that has any improvement with regards to additional set back. 
> Any suggestions? I guess the other option I could explore would be a saddle 
> with longer rails than my B17. Maybe a San Anatomica?
>

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Kai Vierstra]

Exactly. A seat post shim from problem solvers solves the problem. I took a 
file to mine to follow the curve, but I didn't need to. I researched my 
options in a seatpost and none had any setback like I wanted, and having a 
selection of 27.2's at my disposal this seemed the best option. Time has 
told me it doesn't have any slipping problems, the only downside I can see 
is another seam that fills in with crud, but I rather like that crud.
-Kai
BK NY




On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 1:43:56 PM UTC-4, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
> Have you considered getting a 29.8 -> 27.2 seat post shim? Problem Solvers 
> and Cane Creek both have that size, and there's a large selection of set 
> back seat posts with a 27.2 diameter. I use a Cane Creek shim on a 31.6 -> 
>  27.2 conversion, and have had no issues with slippage even at my svelte 
> 215 pounds.
>
> --Ed C.
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-7, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone!
>> I need a little more setback than whats offered by the stock seatpost on 
>> my clem. The diameter is 29.8. I haven't been able to find much available, 
>> and nothing that has any improvement with regards to additional set back. 
>> Any suggestions? I guess the other option I could explore would be a saddle 
>> with longer rails than my B17. Maybe a San Anatomica?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Ed Carolipio]

Have you considered getting a 29.8 -> 27.2 seat post shim? Problem Solvers 
and Cane Creek both have that size, and there's a large selection of set 
back seat posts with a 27.2 diameter. I use a Cane Creek shim on a 31.6 -> 
 27.2 conversion, and have had no issues with slippage even at my svelte 
215 pounds.

--Ed C.

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-7, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone!
> I need a little more setback than whats offered by the stock seatpost on 
> my clem. The diameter is 29.8. I haven't been able to find much available, 
> and nothing that has any improvement with regards to additional set back. 
> Any suggestions? I guess the other option I could explore would be a saddle 
> with longer rails than my B17. Maybe a San Anatomica?
>

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[RBW] Re: seatpost/set back help

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Been there and done that on a 26.8.  Couldn't find anything to use and I 
use a Brooks saddle too.  The Anatomicas do have longer rails but the 
saddles don't cut it for me.   That said, if you are interested in buying 
one, contact me offline as I have several I could sell.

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:55:59 PM UTC-4, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone!
> I need a little more setback than whats offered by the stock seatpost on 
> my clem. The diameter is 29.8. I haven't been able to find much available, 
> and nothing that has any improvement with regards to additional set back. 
> Any suggestions? I guess the other option I could explore would be a saddle 
> with longer rails than my B17. Maybe a San Anatomica?
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Ortlieb Back-Roller Classic Panniers - Pair yellow

[Bruce Smitham]

Ortliebs are sold

On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 11:38:59 AM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> FS Ortlieb Back-Roller Classic Panniers - Pair yellow very little use and 
> in great condition. No rips or tears or big marks. Just a few scuffs here 
> and there. $90 plus shipping CONUS.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
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[RBW] Re: I am back

[Deacon Patrick]

Welcome back Compton! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 8:32:56 PM UTC-6, Don Compton wrote:

 I have made some impulsive mistakes in my life, thank God none have been 
 life threatening.


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[RBW] Re: I am back

[Don Compton]

Chris,
I remember when you had this butterscotch Hilsen. God, it was a beautiful 
bike.
Don 

On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:

 Great news, Don!  I think I know a little about how you feel.  I'm riding 
 around on my recovery A. Homer Hilsen...after foolishly selling the first 
 one. 

 Chris Johnson 
 Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: I am back

[Don Compton]

Deacon,
Long story. After years of enjoying Brooks saddles, the hump that develops 
after longterm, my nether regions just couldn't stand it anymore. I have 
short femurs and I couldn't find another saddle that would work on my 
Roadeo. Well, the latest Selle Anatomica allows me to get the saddle 
forward enough to meet my fit. 
On another subject, the guys and gals at Riv are the BEST. Just wonderful 
people.

On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 8:58:50 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Welcome back Compton! Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 8:32:56 PM UTC-6, Don Compton wrote:

 I have made some impulsive mistakes in my life, thank God none have been 
 life threatening.



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[RBW] Re: ACW Mugs back in stock!

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The mythical Hippocuppus!

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[RBW] Re: ACW Mugs back in stock!

[jphillip...@icloud.com]

Perhaps elusive, but not mythical, I've seen the photos!

John

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 3:42:26 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:

 The mythical Hippocuppus!

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[RBW] Re: ACW Mugs back in stock!

[Tony DeFilippo]

'Hippocuppus' = brilliant!

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[RBW] Re: ACW Mugs back in stock!

[Deacon Patrick]

Maybe that's the source of my memory problem -- I got a Hippocuppus rather 
than a hippocampus. Sardonic grin.

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[RBW] Re: ACW Mugs back in stock!

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I thought you might appreciate that little neuro-pun.

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 7:22:57 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Maybe that's the source of my memory problem -- I got a Hippocuppus rather 
 than a hippocampus. Sardonic grin.


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[RBW] Re: ACW Mugs back in stock!

[Deacon Patrick]

Even the gapses in my synapses had fun! Thanks. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 7:30:25 PM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:

 I thought you might appreciate that little neuro-pun.

 On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 7:22:57 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Maybe that's the source of my memory problem -- I got a Hippocuppus 
 rather than a hippocampus. Sardonic grin.



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[RBW] Re: ACW Mugs back in stock!

[Bill Lindsay]

I'll drink to that!

On Monday, July 7, 2014 5:02:42 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:

 For those that contacted me from the list, I have completed another small 
 batch of ACW mugs for the store. This time NOS from Poland! New buttons too.

 Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen http://bradclick.bigcartel.com/

 Caffeinate early and often!

 Thanks again for the awesome support and stories of Rivendell ridden 
 coffee fueled adventuring.


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[RBW] Re: ACW Mugs back in stock!

[Deacon Patrick]

Great mugs! Here's what happened to one of my new Hilsen blue beauties:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14394798499/

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Out 'n' back!

[Deacon Patrick]

I hope you said Howdy, mister! to John Wayne out Rio Bravo way. Grin. 
Sounds like a great ride ... pilgrim.

I attempted to make it out of town, but I was too late and the throngs of 
tourists in town for the 10 day art show and their perfume and laundry 
detergent and other scented accoutrements were already out and creating a 
wall of scent I was too wimpy to make it past. I was pushing it to try a 
ride, though hopeful it would help. Might have if it wasn't tourist season. 
First time that's happened. So I rode the quarter mile with an overage 
speed of yea much out and three yeas back.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:04:14 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 87F, winds SW 17 gusts to 35, took the gofast from my house just west of 
 the Rio Grande recreation path south-south-west-ish to Rio Bravo and 
 return. Determined not to over-exert, took it easy in the hooks, rode ssw, 
 turning the 75 gear at a sub 80 rpm cadence, though the wind was at that 
 mid-day transition period where it will flip 90 or even 180 degrees 
 momentarily before resuming its s-s-westerly pattern, and so there were 
 brief periods when cadence quickly increased. I stopped at Rio Bravo, took 
 a long drink, wetted my contacts, and then headed back with the wind mostly 
 behind me -- actually, on the port side, on a broad reach*, though 
 occasionally traveling northward up to directly ahead. Cadence varied from 
 70 to 100 as the wind shifted.

 Though this premier westside (ie, west of the Rio Grande) trail is never 
 as crowded as, say, the paved path along the beach at Santa Monica, it was 
 quite populated today, mostly with cyclists, though I saw few roadies -- 
 most were your average Joe and Jill, like me. Do roadies avoid wind? Or do 
 they just get up and ride earlier in the day? Perhaps they were all doing 
 the Tramway climb.

 I stopped at Albertson's to buy a 24 oz Foster's Lager, making weak jokes 
 with the clerk and passers by about keeping hydrated. (Aside: A Grolsch 
 with ceramic cap will fit perfectly into a standard bottle cage.)

 I was surprised (and, I must admit, pleased) to see that Cyclometer 
 recorded an average, clock-running-the-entire-time, start to Albertson's, 
 of 17.02 mph including stop. My informal benchmark is 18+ mph on a calm day 
 without undue discomfort,over the same route, clock running. (My benchmarks 
 are modest.)

 Photo shows that the bike exists.

 Patrick more words and hubbub per mile Moore in windy, dry, Fire Danger 
 Very High Today westside ABQ, NM.

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 *
   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to 
 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from 
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to 
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
 in your time and your body can they be?*
 *  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. 
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
 you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  *
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Christopher Chen]

YOUR MOVE HUGH


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 As much as I love Vangroovy, we can't touch PDX for beer. Or donuts.


 On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:50:21 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Yeah Chris I'll go and buy where ever I feel like buying to include a
 unit next door to you and party 24/7.  And whether to visit ? PDX hasn't
 won that bid just yet. You folks will need to do better Seattle and
 Vancouver may get my patronage ;-)

 I'll give you PDXers a little slack as you just finished up with a
 Mini-Snowgeddon. I expect less grumpy and less demands as Spring approaches.

 ~Hugh

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 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 You can visit so long as you sign a contract not to purchase real
 property north of Yuba City.


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 Mike,

 Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is
 already working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through
 early November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm
 not complaining till late August.

 I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer
 time. Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve?

 Love CCR.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




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  wrote:

 Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having spent
 my whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the
  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Hugh Smitham]

Thank you Cocochen. Offer on next door unit has been accepted. YOU MOVING
NOW CHRIS! Get ready to boogie.

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On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 YOUR MOVE HUGH


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Cecily Walker 
 cecily.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 As much as I love Vangroovy, we can't touch PDX for beer. Or donuts.


 On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:50:21 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Yeah Chris I'll go and buy where ever I feel like buying to include a
 unit next door to you and party 24/7.  And whether to visit ? PDX hasn't
 won that bid just yet. You folks will need to do better Seattle and
 Vancouver may get my patronage ;-)

 I'll give you PDXers a little slack as you just finished up with a
 Mini-Snowgeddon. I expect less grumpy and less demands as Spring approaches.

  ~Hugh

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  You can visit so long as you sign a contract not to purchase real
 property north of Yuba City.


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 Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is
 already working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through
 early November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm
 not complaining till late August.

 I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer
 time. Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve?

 Love CCR.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




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 Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having
 spent my whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the
  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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Y'all are adorable.

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 NOW CHRIS! Get ready to boogie.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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Cecily,

Keeping it fresh. Humor is mandatory for sanity.

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 Y'all are adorable.


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 NOW CHRIS! Get ready to boogie.

 ~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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Lovely photos, Hugh. I really envy you California Rivsters. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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About August I'll be envying you B.C. Riv folk.

And the offer is open and for real, can save on $.

Peace,

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 Lovely photos, Hugh. I really envy you California Rivsters.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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C'mon up! August is glorious here. 

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 About August I'll be envying you B.C. Riv folk.

 And the offer is open and for real, can save on $.

 Peace,

 ~Hugh

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 Lovely photos, Hugh. I really envy you California Rivsters. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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Cecily,

Planning on a Summer trip June 27th through July 16th and was planning on
these destinations, Siskiyou Wilderness, PDX and Bay Area for the Riv
rally. I wasn't planning on going that far North on this vacation but then
things change.

-Hugh
On Feb 12, 2014 12:42 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 C'mon up! August is glorious here.

 On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:20:29 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 About August I'll be envying you B.C. Riv folk.

 And the offer is open and for real, can save on $.

 Peace,

 ~Hugh

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 moving. -- Albert Einstein

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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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It's a big planet out there, and once you adapt to living out of panniers, 
freedom expands to consume the available funds.  A lot can change, and 2 or 
3 weeks of vacation time becomes a serious constraint.  

dougP

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 Cecily,

 Planning on a Summer trip June 27th through July 16th and was planning on 
 these destinations, Siskiyou Wilderness, PDX and Bay Area for the Riv 
 rally. I wasn't planning on going that far North on this vacation but then 
 things change.

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 C'mon up! August is glorious here. 

 On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:20:29 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 About August I'll be envying you B.C. Riv folk.

 And the offer is open and for real, can save on $.

 Peace,

 ~Hugh

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 Lovely photos, Hugh. I really envy you California Rivsters. 


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[RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Mike Schiller]

Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having spent my 
whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the 
 fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I 
remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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Say's the retired guy :-)

~Hugh

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 It's a big planet out there, and once you adapt to living out of panniers,
 freedom expands to consume the available funds.  A lot can change, and 2 or
 3 weeks of vacation time becomes a serious constraint.

 dougP


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 Planning on a Summer trip June 27th through July 16th and was planning on
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 rally. I wasn't planning on going that far North on this vacation but then
 things change.

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 C'mon up! August is glorious here.

 On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:20:29 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 About August I'll be envying you B.C. Riv folk.

 And the offer is open and for real, can save on $.

 Peace,

 ~Hugh

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 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Hugh Smitham]

Mike,

Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is already
working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through early
November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm not
complaining till late August.

I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer time.
Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve?

Love CCR.

~Hugh

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moving. -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




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 Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having spent my
 whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the
  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Christopher Chen]

You can visit so long as you sign a contract not to purchase real property
north of Yuba City.


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 Mike,

 Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is
 already working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through
 early November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm
 not complaining till late August.

 I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer time.
 Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve?

 Love CCR.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




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 mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote:

 Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having spent my
 whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the
  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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...and south of Prince Rupert.


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 You can visit so long as you sign a contract not to purchase real property
 north of Yuba City.


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike,

 Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is
 already working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through
 early November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm
 not complaining till late August.

 I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer time.
 Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve?

 Love CCR.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
  wrote:

 Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having spent
 my whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the
  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Hugh Smitham]

Yeah Chris I'll go and buy where ever I feel like buying to include a unit
next door to you and party 24/7.  And whether to visit ? PDX hasn't won
that bid just yet. You folks will need to do better Seattle and Vancouver
may get my patronage ;-)

I'll give you PDXers a little slack as you just finished up with a
Mini-Snowgeddon. I expect less grumpy and less demands as Spring approaches.

~Hugh

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moving. -- Albert Einstein

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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 You can visit so long as you sign a contract not to purchase real property
 north of Yuba City.


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike,

 Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is
 already working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through
 early November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm
 not complaining till late August.

 I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer time.
 Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve?

 Love CCR.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
  wrote:

 Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having spent
 my whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the
  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Christopher Chen]

OH THE BURN


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Right. You saw the pictures and are chillingly jealous. Don't worry Chris
 warm 80's are right around the corner... err sorry five months around the
 corner.

 ~Hugh

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 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 ...and south of Prince Rupert.


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 You can visit so long as you sign a contract not to purchase real
 property north of Yuba City.


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike,

 Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is
 already working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through
 early November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm
 not complaining till late August.

 I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer
 time. Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve?

 Love CCR.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mike Schiller 
 mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having spent
 my whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the
  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Hugh Smitham]

You need to start using sunscreen Cocochen to prevent that burn.

~Hugh

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moving. -- Albert Einstein

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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 OH THE BURN


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Right. You saw the pictures and are chillingly jealous. Don't worry Chris
 warm 80's are right around the corner... err sorry five months around the
 corner.

 ~Hugh

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 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 ...and south of Prince Rupert.


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 You can visit so long as you sign a contract not to purchase real
 property north of Yuba City.


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike,

 Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is
 already working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through
 early November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm
 not complaining till late August.

 I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer
 time. Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve?

 Love CCR.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mike Schiller 
 mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having
 spent my whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the
  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Hugh Smitham]

May I also suggest Aloe vera for that singe.

~Hugh

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moving. -- Albert Einstein

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 You need to start using sunscreen Cocochen to prevent that burn.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 OH THE BURN


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Right. You saw the pictures and are chillingly jealous. Don't worry
 Chris warm 80's are right around the corner... err sorry five months around
 the corner.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 ...and south of Prince Rupert.


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 You can visit so long as you sign a contract not to purchase real
 property north of Yuba City.


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hugh Smitham 
 hughsmit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike,

 Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is
 already working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through
 early November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm
 not complaining till late August.

 I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer
 time. Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve?

 Love CCR.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mike Schiller 
 mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having
 spent my whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the
  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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[RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Coconutbill]

Hugh, you must be thinking of Romero Saddle to the famous Hot Springs?
I've been trying hard not to brag to the PDX's about this balmy Febuary 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Hugh Smitham]

Sorry. Nice try. Not the Romero Saddle one closer.. Lots closer but cool
and breezy.

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 I've been trying hard not to brag to the PDX's about this balmy Febuary
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[RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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Has to be Malibu (ie. Will Rogers, Leo Carillo...?)  
nice shots, dude!

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[RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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Wonderfully composed and an enjoyable read.  Got me thinking about my own 
fortune in having a riding resource outside my back door (Although Gozales, 
McGonnigle, and Black Mountain have nowhere near the extent of Big Tijunga).

That in turn led to reading about Sunland-Tijunga history, the Tongva 
people, and a particular one named Juana Maria.  Never underestimate the 
power of your words.

Best regards,

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 Some thoughts and pictures here http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Hugh Smitham]

Thanks Evan...nope try again. It's gonna be awesome! But not till the
really hot months.

~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Hugh Smitham]

Tom,

Thank you Sir. Ha! I've read about the founding Women of
Tujunga/Sunlandbut lack a comprehensive understanding of the native
people's of this area.
I will remedy that.

I am more familiar with the La Jolla indian tribes of long ago and the
Cahuilla Indian people's of the Palm Springs region, not to forget the
Pomo's of Round Valley in Northern California, First Nation (Inuit) around
and North of Vancouver B.C.and the Lummi Indian's of the Bellingham area. I
have always identified with native people's view of their place on Earth.

Beginning In the 19th century Sunland/Tujunga was known as a therapeutic
region for folks with Tuberculosis. We still have what they called
sanitariums in the Sun Valley area,  though I think they call it something
different nowadays.

Words are powerful...I do have to be careful though.

~Hugh

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 Wonderfully composed and an enjoyable read.  Got me thinking about my own
 fortune in having a riding resource outside my back door (Although Gozales,
 McGonnigle, and Black Mountain have nowhere near the extent of Big Tijunga).

 That in turn led to reading about Sunland-Tijunga history, the Tongva
 people, and a particular one named Juana Maria.  Never underestimate the
 power of your words.

 Best regards,

 Tom

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 Some thoughts and pictures here http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

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As much as I love Vangroovy, we can't touch PDX for beer. Or donuts.

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 Yeah Chris I'll go and buy where ever I feel like buying to include a unit 
 next door to you and party 24/7.  And whether to visit ? PDX hasn't won 
 that bid just yet. You folks will need to do better Seattle and Vancouver 
 may get my patronage ;-)

 I'll give you PDXers a little slack as you just finished up with a 
 Mini-Snowgeddon. I expect less grumpy and less demands as Spring approaches.

 ~Hugh

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 You can visit so long as you sign a contract not to purchase real 
 property north of Yuba City.


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 Mike,

 Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is 
 already working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through 
 early November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm 
 not complaining till late August.

 I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer 
 time. Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve? 

 Love CCR. 

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




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 Hugh, you forgot the toot toot toot lookin' . part. ( CCR ref)

 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having spent 
 my whole adult life not far from there it makes me miss the 
  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I 
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Hugh Smitham]

Cecily,

What! Really!Don't you Vangoovy folk head over the *border* for those
good fermented beverages  fried holey goodness?

~Hugh

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moving. -- Albert Einstein

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 As much as I love Vangroovy, we can't touch PDX for beer. Or donuts.


 On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:50:21 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Yeah Chris I'll go and buy where ever I feel like buying to include a
 unit next door to you and party 24/7.  And whether to visit ? PDX hasn't
 won that bid just yet. You folks will need to do better Seattle and
 Vancouver may get my patronage ;-)

 I'll give you PDXers a little slack as you just finished up with a
 Mini-Snowgeddon. I expect less grumpy and less demands as Spring approaches.

 ~Hugh

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 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




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 You can visit so long as you sign a contract not to purchase real
 property north of Yuba City.


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 Mike,

 Thanks for the compliment. Yeah Summer is ah sweltering. My mind is
 already working on a slew of Summer location rides between August through
 early November. Either high up or coastal. We work with what we have. I'm
 not complaining till late August.

 I've got a doosy S240 location planned near Los Angeles for Summer
 time. Your a good guesser what do you think I have up my sleeve?

 Love CCR.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




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 As always your photos are  well composed and meaningful.  Having spent
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  fall/winter/spring rides in the San Gabriel's even more.  But when I
 remember summer I know why I moved to the coast.

 ~mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: It is BACK!

[Bruce Herbitter]

Looks ready to go-go!  Nice job Lynne


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:

 And here is the built up bike:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/sets/72157634204220895/with/9080786811/
 still to do - trim off the rack stays, and bolt the front fender to the
 front rack.  It will happen.  Eventually.

 On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:29:03 AM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:

 When I will get time to build it up until next week is another question.
  But my beloved Rivendell Bleriot (last seen as a smoking heap of somewhat
 mangled steel after being left-hooked) is now back, with a new (and
 upgraded) fork and a beautiful paint job!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**lynnefitz/8962094278/http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094278/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**lynnefitz/8962094310/http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094310/

 Repair job by Steve Rex, paint job by his painter.

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[RBW] Re: It is BACK!

[Lynne Fitz]

And here is the built up bike:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/sets/72157634204220895/with/9080786811/
still to do - trim off the rack stays, and bolt the front fender to the 
front rack.  It will happen.  Eventually.

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 When I will get time to build it up until next week is another question. 
  But my beloved Rivendell Bleriot (last seen as a smoking heap of somewhat 
 mangled steel after being left-hooked) is now back, with a new (and 
 upgraded) fork and a beautiful paint job!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094278/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094310/

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[RBW] Re: It is BACK!

[Ron Mc]

drop-dead-gorgeous

On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:44:14 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

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[RBW] Re: It is BACK!

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 Congrats! Do you have more pics? Before and aft?


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[RBW] Re: It is BACK!

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Best looking Bleriot out there! Ride in style Lynn.  I'm humming, Oh 
Bleriot!   to Van Morrison's tune...

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  But my beloved Rivendell Bleriot (last seen as a smoking heap of somewhat 
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 upgraded) fork and a beautiful paint job!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094278/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094310/

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[RBW] Re: It is BACK!

[Lynne Fitz]

Before and after: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/sets/72157632430316656/
The SS couplers were pre-existing.  I had them installed right after I 
bought the frame in 2007.
Upgraded fork - Riv didn't have a Bleriot fork.  So I have a 
Saluki/Hillborne fork with mid-fork rack braze-ons.  Buying new front rack. 
(old front rack for sale soon)
Many pics of my Bleriot: 
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=20084214@N00q=bleriot

I love the new color.

On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:29:03 AM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:

 When I will get time to build it up until next week is another question. 
  But my beloved Rivendell Bleriot (last seen as a smoking heap of somewhat 
 mangled steel after being left-hooked) is now back, with a new (and 
 upgraded) fork and a beautiful paint job!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094278/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094310/

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[RBW] Re: It is BACK!

[Aaron Thomas]

Fantastic color! Does it have a special name? Is it the same as the Homer 
blue?

On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:29:03 AM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:

 When I will get time to build it up until next week is another question. 
  But my beloved Rivendell Bleriot (last seen as a smoking heap of somewhat 
 mangled steel after being left-hooked) is now back, with a new (and 
 upgraded) fork and a beautiful paint job!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094278/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094310/

 Repair job by Steve Rex, paint job by his painter.


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Re: [RBW] Re: It is BACK!

[Eric Platt]

Another one drooling over the bike.  Very nice.  Love the blue and the
cream looks creamier than the regular Rivendell version.  Could just be the
contrast with the blue, but it works for me.  Glad you have it back.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.comwrote:

 Fantastic color! Does it have a special name? Is it the same as the Homer
 blue?


 On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:29:03 AM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:

 When I will get time to build it up until next week is another question.
  But my beloved Rivendell Bleriot (last seen as a smoking heap of somewhat
 mangled steel after being left-hooked) is now back, with a new (and
 upgraded) fork and a beautiful paint job!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**lynnefitz/8962094278/http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094278/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**lynnefitz/8962094310/http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094310/

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Re: [RBW] Re: It is BACK!

[Tom Goodmann]

Looks great!  So, while you look for time to build it out, you have 
wonderful art for your wall!

On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 9:15:39 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:

 Another one drooling over the bike.  Very nice.  Love the blue and the 
 cream looks creamier than the regular Rivendell version.  Could just be the 
 contrast with the blue, but it works for me.  Glad you have it back.
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


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  wrote:

 Fantastic color! Does it have a special name? Is it the same as the Homer 
 blue?


 On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:29:03 AM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:

 When I will get time to build it up until next week is another question. 
  But my beloved Rivendell Bleriot (last seen as a smoking heap of somewhat 
 mangled steel after being left-hooked) is now back, with a new (and 
 upgraded) fork and a beautiful paint job!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**lynnefitz/8962094278/http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094278/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**lynnefitz/8962094310/http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094310/

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[RBW] Re: It is BACK!

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

The new blue is stunning!

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[RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[clayton]

That is exactly what I did. Works great. Thanks Jim.



On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:48:48 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Clayton, you can use your bar end shifters and Dyna-Sys 10sp cassette if 
 you use a Shimano 9sp derailleur.

 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:28:33 AM UTC-5, clayton wrote:

 Here is what I would like to see them make.  Cassette hub, 7 or 8 speed 
 WIDE ratio cassette, Bomb proof (literally) bar end index shifters with 
 friction option or disc brake levers (maybe brifters, crash proof though, 
 and sealed against crashing in a pumice dust and sand pile, don't ask) and 
 all wrapped up in a nice silver polish or black matte anodization with 
 engraving. All built for the long haul and severe service. 

 I am pretty much done with shimano. I bought their new Deore Xt dynasys 
 stuff (10 speed) and discovered it won't work with 10 speed bar end 
 shifters that no longer have a friction option). I replaced my drop bars 
 with Sycip swept bars and put on the Dynasys mountain bike shifters. I 
 promptly broke the plastic casing and bent the steel guts when I tried to 
 rotate the shifter on the bar which wasn't even that tight. My son uses X0 
 stuff and it seems to be much better made. Next time..Sorry Shimano, 
 I've been loyal, but Suntour or Sram is getting my money next time.

 On Friday, April 12, 2013 9:39:55 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 Forwarding from the Rando list. Interesting from the many Rivs with 
 Suntour components...

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, Wa

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Jenny Oh Hatfield plat...@gmail.com
 *Date:* April 12, 2013, 9:36:27 AM HST
 *To:* ran...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* *[Randon] Suntour is back  says it's keeping it real w/ old 
 skool ideology*

 Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component 
 business.  As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, 
 electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the 
 enjoyment of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to 
 nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of 
 cycling.”  For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and randonneuring 
 components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday.

 Read more here https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/.

 Cheers,

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[RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Fai Mao]

Looking at the parent website
http://joy-japan.com

It appears that they are either in cahoots or one and same company as 
MicroShift which is interesting 

In fact on the joy-japan.com site the two logos a superimposed one above 
the other. 




On Saturday, April 13, 2013 2:39:55 PM UTC+10, stonehog wrote:

 Forwarding from the Rando list. Interesting from the many Rivs with 
 Suntour components...

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, Wa

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Jenny Oh Hatfield plat...@gmail.com javascript:
 *Date:* April 12, 2013, 9:36:27 AM HST
 *To:* ran...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* *[Randon] Suntour is back  says it's keeping it real w/ old 
 skool ideology*

 Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component 
 business.  As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, 
 electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the 
 enjoyment of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to 
 nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of 
 cycling.”  For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and randonneuring 
 components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday.

 Read more here https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/.

 Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 22:06 -0700, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
 Thanks for bringing up those points, Jan - I'm not specifically
 against freewheels.  My experience was that I regularly bent axles on
 my old mtb which had a freewheel and never had that problem with any
 freehubs.  My recollection was that the mtb (which was a six speed
 1983 drivetrain) had narrower cones than my XT and DuraAce freehubs.
 But again, no data to back that up.

That's not the only, or even the worst, problem with freewheels.  By
design, pedaling tightens a freewheel.  On a tandem or on a bike ridden
by a very strong rider, they get screwed on so tight it's difficult if
not outright impossible to remove them.  What's more, the tremendous
force needed (we're talking about six foot cheater bars here, no
exaggeration) is channeled through a couple of small notches or a
handful of splines, which readily strip out.


 
 And I guess the point I was really trying to make stemmed from your
 comment about the loss of tooling, expertise and the necessary
 economies of scale involved in making a quality freewheel today.
 Since most of the bicycle market probably is less likely to support
 it, it seems freewheel production isn't likely to increase.  But since
 there are plenty of freehubs around, why not continue to let them make
 the ratchety bits and focus on making something that is not designed
 to shift in a crosswind.  Okay, that's overstating it, but it seems to
 me that creating a longer-toothed cassette of longer-wearing material
 might be a simpler option. 
 
 I just recall walking into the old shops and looking at the cog board
 in the back.  It seems like it should be comparatively easy to come up
 with a similar solution.  

That assumes there's actually a market for straight-cut sprockets.  Even
back in the 1970s they were actively searching for tooth profiles that
made shifting easier.  Remember Shimano's wavy teeth?  I doubt the total
market for such cassettes in this country would even be as large as the
readership of this google group.


 Though I'm ignorant of any constraints which are in place for makers
 having to license the interface spline from Shimano.  
 
 - Jim / cyclofiend.com
 
 
 
 On Monday, April 15, 2013 8:43:36 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
 The bearings spacing on most cassette hubs is no different
 from that of a freewheel hub. With the exception of Shimano
 and Mavic and a few small makers, all freehubs have the hub
 bearings under the flanges, more or less. As long as the axle
 is properly designed, that is not a problem.
 
 The problem with most freewheel hubs were the thin axles. They
 were designed for 4-speed and 115 mm spacing. With that short
 overhang, no problem. Then they added another 5 mm on the
 drive-side for 5-speed, and it was getting marginal. Then they
 added another 6 mm to use 6-speed, and the design no longer
 worked. They now had more than twice the lever as before, yet
 kept the diameter of the axle the same. It's surprising that
 it worked as well as it did!
 
 Adding grooves in the axle on both sides made the problem
 worse. (Who needs to adjust their hub on both sides? Maxi put
 the grooves on the non-drive side only, so you adjusted only
 that side.)
 
 There are plenty of freewheel hubs that don't break axles.
 Don't conclude from a poor execution that the entire concept
 is flawed. Cassette hubs have their own design problems. The
 biggest one is that the bearings under the cassette have to be
 relatively small.
 
 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 http://www.bikequarterly.com
 
 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/
 
 On Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:22:59 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim
 wrote:
  
 But, I'm not real keen on going back to the narrow
 bearing spacing from the freewheel days.  (Bent waaay
 too many axles back then.)  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Steve P nails it. Many of these old-skool design ideas might fill a niche 
within a niche within a niche. Given the previously mentioned issues with 
freewheels, and not many upsides except low cost, the people still using them 
are devoted antiquarians, those who spec dept store bikes, and those of us in 
the business of fixing 1970s bike boom bikes. It's hard to see a new $50+ 
freewheel being a hit with any of those groups. And freewheel connoisseurs are 
not wearing out freewheels fast enough to be much of a target market. Obviously 
Shimano and the smaller companies who make FWs abandoned the high-end segment 
of that market years ago.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Garth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunTour



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 Is Sun XCD a different company than SR SUNTOUR? 
 https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/

 http://www.srsuntour-cycling.com/SID=si2a13400691526f93776ec0bdf6d126/index.php



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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Cyclofiend Jim]

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:56:59 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 That assumes there's actually a market for straight-cut sprockets.  Even 
 back in the 1970s they were actively searching for tooth profiles that 
 made shifting easier.  Remember Shimano's wavy teeth?  I doubt the total 
 market for such cassettes in this country would even be as large as the 
 readership of this google group. 


:^) 

Quite possiblly, Steve... 

My thoughts were really in the context of the SunXCD comments about a 
less-race oriented direction combined with the regular resurfacing of the 
topic of ghost shifting and tendency of current cassette designs to not 
stay put if you choose to manually shift.  It seemed like it would be  a 
bit cheaper and therefore more possible for them to come up with a 
long-lasting cassette of robust sprockets than hope they would tool up for 
freewheels. 

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[PATRICK MOORE]

From my own experience with 5 thru 10 shifting, all manual (didn't index
after circa 1993 or 4 until I got the 7 sp DA for the Ram) I would say that
the problems below come solely from excessively narrow spacing -- it, too
many cogs -- and even that, perhaps, due to using the wrong levers (levers
with smaller barrels seem to work better with tighter squeezed cogs) or
perhaps, often, simply to lack of skill. While I can certainly see the
benefit to 9 or even 10 speed spacing in certain very idiosyncratic cases,
I think that a normal 8 speed Hyperglide cassette will last for many miles
and shifter perfectly with most friction levers as long as you take the
trouble to adjust things properly -- notably your shifter mounting screws
-- and take the trouble to learn the technique.

I think, therefore, that if Shimano and others simply brought back 8 speed
systems with friction options, we'd be where we need to be in respect of
drivetrains. No? I agree that new systems are not, from the standpoint of
both use and money, the best solution.

That said, I am surprised how well the low end Shimano 9 speed systems on
cheap mountain bikes that have been neglected for years still shift very
well without need for adjustment.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Cyclofiend Jim
cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:..


 My thoughts were really in the context of the SunXCD comments about a
 less-race oriented direction combined with the regular resurfacing of the
 topic of ghost shifting and tendency of current cassette designs to not
 stay put if you choose to manually shift.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[RJM]

I would be alright with some nice choices in 7 speed cassettes and chains.
 
I have been using the IRD freewheels on my Rivy hubs without much to 
complain about.
 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:35:04 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Steve P nails it. Many of these old-skool design ideas might fill a niche 
 within a niche within a niche. Given the previously mentioned issues with 
 freewheels, and not many upsides except low cost, the people still using 
 them are devoted antiquarians, those who spec dept store bikes, and those 
 of us in the business of fixing 1970s bike boom bikes. It's hard to see a 
 new $50+ freewheel being a hit with any of those groups. And freewheel 
 connoisseurs are not wearing out freewheels fast enough to be much of a 
 target market. Obviously Shimano and the smaller companies who make FWs 
 abandoned the high-end segment of that market years ago.

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[RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[clayton]

Here is what I would like to see them make.  Cassette hub, 7 or 8 speed 
WIDE ratio cassette, Bomb proof (literally) bar end index shifters with 
friction option or disc brake levers (maybe brifters, crash proof though, 
and sealed against crashing in a pumice dust and sand pile, don't ask) and 
all wrapped up in a nice silver polish or black matte anodization with 
engraving. All built for the long haul and severe service. 

I am pretty much done with shimano. I bought their new Deore Xt dynasys 
stuff (10 speed) and discovered it won't work with 10 speed bar end 
shifters that no longer have a friction option). I replaced my drop bars 
with Sycip swept bars and put on the Dynasys mountain bike shifters. I 
promptly broke the plastic casing and bent the steel guts when I tried to 
rotate the shifter on the bar which wasn't even that tight. My son uses X0 
stuff and it seems to be much better made. Next time..Sorry Shimano, 
I've been loyal, but Suntour or Sram is getting my money next time.

On Friday, April 12, 2013 9:39:55 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 Forwarding from the Rando list. Interesting from the many Rivs with 
 Suntour components...

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, Wa

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Jenny Oh Hatfield plat...@gmail.com javascript:
 *Date:* April 12, 2013, 9:36:27 AM HST
 *To:* ran...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* *[Randon] Suntour is back  says it's keeping it real w/ old 
 skool ideology*

 Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component 
 business.  As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, 
 electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the 
 enjoyment of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to 
 nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of 
 cycling.”  For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and randonneuring 
 components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday.

 Read more here https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Matthew J]

 That's not the only, or even the worst, problem with freewheels.  By 
design, pedaling tightens a freewheel.  On a tandem or on a bike ridden 
by a very strong rider, they get screwed on so tight it's difficult if 
not outright impossible to remove them.  What's more, the tremendous 
force needed (we're talking about six foot cheater bars here, no 
exaggeration) is channeled through a couple of small notches or a 
handful of splines, which readily strip out. 


Freewheel sticking has not been a problem for me.  But I make a point to 
remove the freewheel and lubricate it frequently.
 
BMXers - and bike polo players who put a lot of pressure on all their bike 
parts more often than not use White Industries hubs.
 
I don't have anything against cassettes per se - and in fact just had a 
wheel made with a single speed Chris King and the Jeff Jones modified 6 
speed cassette - but my city and tour bikes have MaxiCar hubs and my road 
bike vintage Campy hubs modified by Peter Weigle.  I'm supposed to leave 
those on the shelf because of stories from people in the day who probably 
failed to follow basic maintenance procedures?
 
Finally - no problem with finding spare sprockets I'll be dead before I 
wear out all my horde.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 10:11 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 
 I think, therefore, that if Shimano and others simply brought back 8
 speed systems with friction options, we'd be where we need to be in
 respect of drivetrains. No? I agree that new systems are not, from the
 standpoint of both use and money, the best solution. 

I tried Sun Tour Sprint friction shifters with 8 speed Hyperglide.
Didn't work well at all: far too much ghost shifting.  I moved the
shifters to a new bike with 7 speed Hyperglide and found it worked very
well.  

Also: 8 speed never had a range of gearings that began with 13.  Other
than for juniors, they began with 11 or 12.  Nowadays just about all you
can get in 8 begins with 11.  Except on my 17 wheeled Moulton, I have
no use whatever for 11 tooth sprockets, and I would need a 44 tooth
large chain ring to get the high gear I like with a 12 tooth sprocket.
Summary: except for tandems, for me 8 speed gearing range is crap.

Seven, on the other hand, had several nice gear sets including 13-30 and
13-34.  Seven also has the 14-32, which is surprisingly perfect on a
650B bike with a 39/53 double.  What's more, all the 7 speed gear ranges
are still currently available, albeit not in the nice shiny versions
they once used to have, whereas just about all that's left of 8 is, as I
said, crap.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 09:01 -0700, RJM wrote:
 I would be alright with some nice choices in 7 speed cassettes and
 chains.  

Then you must be alright right now, because there ARE plenty of nice
choices in 7 speed cassettes, and also some nice 7/8 speed chains for
them.  Note that the chains are all now called 7/8, there hasn't been
a 7 only chain in something like 20 years.

Cassettes:  http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/k7.html#7   unfortunately,
now only black HG-50, but at least the ratios are all still there.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've used both 15 and 16 t outer cogs by Miche. 7 speed DA on the Ram
starts with 14. 16 is the largest, but you can fudge anything as an outer
if you are willing to compromise on cassette position and # of cogs. My 14
t outer is a standard inner.

Friction shifting 9 on the Fargo now, with Silver BES -- no problem, even
with out-of-sync ramps. But I daresay I shift less than many, and am less
concerned with precision and that, as they always say, YMMAVCWV.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 10:11 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 
  I think, therefore, that if Shimano and others simply brought back 8
  speed systems with friction options, we'd be where we need to be in
  respect of drivetrains. No? I agree that new systems are not, from the
  standpoint of both use and money, the best solution.

 I tried Sun Tour Sprint friction shifters with 8 speed Hyperglide.
 Didn't work well at all: far too much ghost shifting.  I moved the
 shifters to a new bike with 7 speed Hyperglide and found it worked very
 well.

 Also: 8 speed never had a range of gearings that began with 13.  Other
 than for juniors, they began with 11 or 12.  Nowadays just about all you
 can get in 8 begins with 11.  Except on my 17 wheeled Moulton, I have
 no use whatever for 11 tooth sprockets, and I would need a 44 tooth
 large chain ring to get the high gear I like with a 12 tooth sprocket.
 Summary: except for tandems, for me 8 speed gearing range is crap.

 Seven, on the other hand, had several nice gear sets including 13-30 and
 13-34.  Seven also has the 14-32, which is surprisingly perfect on a
 650B bike with a 39/53 double.  What's more, all the 7 speed gear ranges
 are still currently available, albeit not in the nice shiny versions
 they once used to have, whereas just about all that's left of 8 is, as I
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Philip Williamson]

Would it work to put a bunch of singlespeed sprockets onto a cassette? Only 
13 to 22t with Surly... http://surlybikes.com/parts/cassette_cog
That could give you a 9 speed corncob with tall teeth, mated to wide-spaced 
rings, like 24, 34, 44. I'm the last person you should ask about 
shifting-ease, though. I'm happy using a stick. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:57:38 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:



 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:56:59 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 That assumes there's actually a market for straight-cut sprockets.  Even 
 back in the 1970s they were actively searching for tooth profiles that 
 made shifting easier.  Remember Shimano's wavy teeth?  I doubt the total 
 market for such cassettes in this country would even be as large as the 
 readership of this google group. 


 :^) 

 Quite possiblly, Steve... 

 My thoughts were really in the context of the SunXCD comments about a 
 less-race oriented direction combined with the regular resurfacing of the 
 topic of ghost shifting and tendency of current cassette designs to not 
 stay put if you choose to manually shift.  It seemed like it would be  a 
 bit cheaper and therefore more possible for them to come up with a 
 long-lasting cassette of robust sprockets than hope they would tool up for 
 freewheels. 

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com


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[RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Clayton, you can use your bar end shifters and Dyna-Sys 10sp cassette if 
you use a Shimano 9sp derailleur.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:28:33 AM UTC-5, clayton wrote:

 Here is what I would like to see them make.  Cassette hub, 7 or 8 speed 
 WIDE ratio cassette, Bomb proof (literally) bar end index shifters with 
 friction option or disc brake levers (maybe brifters, crash proof though, 
 and sealed against crashing in a pumice dust and sand pile, don't ask) and 
 all wrapped up in a nice silver polish or black matte anodization with 
 engraving. All built for the long haul and severe service. 

 I am pretty much done with shimano. I bought their new Deore Xt dynasys 
 stuff (10 speed) and discovered it won't work with 10 speed bar end 
 shifters that no longer have a friction option). I replaced my drop bars 
 with Sycip swept bars and put on the Dynasys mountain bike shifters. I 
 promptly broke the plastic casing and bent the steel guts when I tried to 
 rotate the shifter on the bar which wasn't even that tight. My son uses X0 
 stuff and it seems to be much better made. Next time..Sorry Shimano, 
 I've been loyal, but Suntour or Sram is getting my money next time.

 On Friday, April 12, 2013 9:39:55 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 Forwarding from the Rando list. Interesting from the many Rivs with 
 Suntour components...

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, Wa

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Jenny Oh Hatfield plat...@gmail.com
 *Date:* April 12, 2013, 9:36:27 AM HST
 *To:* ran...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* *[Randon] Suntour is back  says it's keeping it real w/ old 
 skool ideology*

 Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component 
 business.  As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, 
 electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the 
 enjoyment of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to 
 nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of 
 cycling.”  For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and randonneuring 
 components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday.

 Read more here https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/.

 Cheers,

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[RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I like the idea of a wide-range 7sp or 8sp cassette, like 12-36 or 
something. Pair it with a mountain double crank. I'm thinking of my amazing 
SRAM 2x10 kits, but with fewer cogs.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:28:33 AM UTC-5, clayton wrote:

 Here is what I would like to see them make.  Cassette hub, 7 or 8 speed 
 WIDE ratio cassette, Bomb proof (literally) bar end index shifters with 
 friction option or disc brake levers (maybe brifters, crash proof though, 
 and sealed against crashing in a pumice dust and sand pile, don't ask) and 
 all wrapped up in a nice silver polish or black matte anodization with 
 engraving. All built for the long haul and severe service. 

 I am pretty much done with shimano. I bought their new Deore Xt dynasys 
 stuff (10 speed) and discovered it won't work with 10 speed bar end 
 shifters that no longer have a friction option). I replaced my drop bars 
 with Sycip swept bars and put on the Dynasys mountain bike shifters. I 
 promptly broke the plastic casing and bent the steel guts when I tried to 
 rotate the shifter on the bar which wasn't even that tight. My son uses X0 
 stuff and it seems to be much better made. Next time..Sorry Shimano, 
 I've been loyal, but Suntour or Sram is getting my money next time.

 On Friday, April 12, 2013 9:39:55 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 Forwarding from the Rando list. Interesting from the many Rivs with 
 Suntour components...

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, Wa

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Jenny Oh Hatfield plat...@gmail.com
 *Date:* April 12, 2013, 9:36:27 AM HST
 *To:* ran...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* *[Randon] Suntour is back  says it's keeping it real w/ old 
 skool ideology*

 Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component 
 business.  As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, 
 electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the 
 enjoyment of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to 
 nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of 
 cycling.”  For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and randonneuring 
 components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday.

 Read more here https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The Surly cog cassette was discussed at HC clubhouse earlier today. Surly 
cogs retail for $25+ each...

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:45:57 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:

 Would it work to put a bunch of singlespeed sprockets onto a cassette? 
 Only 13 to 22t with Surly... http://surlybikes.com/parts/cassette_cog
 That could give you a 9 speed corncob with tall teeth, mated to 
 wide-spaced rings, like 24, 34, 44. I'm the last person you should ask 
 about shifting-ease, though. I'm happy using a stick. 

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com


 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:57:38 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:



 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:56:59 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 That assumes there's actually a market for straight-cut sprockets.  Even 
 back in the 1970s they were actively searching for tooth profiles that 
 made shifting easier.  Remember Shimano's wavy teeth?  I doubt the total 
 market for such cassettes in this country would even be as large as the 
 readership of this google group. 


 :^) 

 Quite possiblly, Steve... 

 My thoughts were really in the context of the SunXCD comments about a 
 less-race oriented direction combined with the regular resurfacing of the 
 topic of ghost shifting and tendency of current cassette designs to not 
 stay put if you choose to manually shift.  It seemed like it would be  a 
 bit cheaper and therefore more possible for them to come up with a 
 long-lasting cassette of robust sprockets than hope they would tool up for 
 freewheels. 

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com



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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Philip Williamson]

Sounds like a 4-speed cassette, then. I bet the Jeff Jones cassette cost about 
$150, though, and I think XTR cassettes cost so much I blacked out and can't 
remember the price. 

Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Y'know what I'd love to see?  

Non-ramped rear sprockets.  Just like on the old freewheels we used to get, 
but set on a carrier so they would fit on current freehubs.  Steel?  Sure, 
if that is easier, but aluminum is fine if the teeth were longer.  8 
sprockets or even 9, so the size would be right.  

Really, I'm talking about the KlunkyShift™ cassette I mentioned in the AHH 
drivetrain thread.  If we're using a manual shifting setup, there's no 
reason why we need index-compatible sprockets.  But, I'm not real keen on 
going back to the narrow bearing spacing from the freewheel days.  (Bent 
waaay too many axles back then.)  

Ok... clearly I'm an outlier.  

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Jan Heine]

The bearings spacing on most cassette hubs is no different from that of a 
freewheel hub. With the exception of Shimano and Mavic and a few small 
makers, all freehubs have the hub bearings under the flanges, more or less. 
As long as the axle is properly designed, that is not a problem.

The problem with most freewheel hubs were the thin axles. They were 
designed for 4-speed and 115 mm spacing. With that short overhang, no 
problem. Then they added another 5 mm on the drive-side for 5-speed, and it 
was getting marginal. Then they added another 6 mm to use 6-speed, and the 
design no longer worked. They now had more than twice the lever as before, 
yet kept the diameter of the axle the same. It's surprising that it worked 
as well as it did!

Adding grooves in the axle on both sides made the problem worse. (Who needs 
to adjust their hub on both sides? Maxi put the grooves on the non-drive 
side only, so you adjusted only that side.)

There are plenty of freewheel hubs that don't break axles. Don't conclude 
from a poor execution that the entire concept is flawed. Cassette hubs have 
their own design problems. The biggest one is that the bearings under the 
cassette have to be relatively small.

Jan Heine
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On Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:22:59 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
 

 But, I'm not real keen on going back to the narrow bearing spacing from 
 the freewheel days.  (Bent waaay too many axles back then.)  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2013-04-13 at 17:32 -0700, Matthew J wrote:
 Kind of afraid this would be the case, Jan.  I have a private horde of
 7 Suntour Winner Pros.  Fortunately Winner Pro were so well made, and
 now, thanks to a tip from Patrick, I found someone who is much more
 adept than I rebuilding freewheels, mine should outlive me. 

But where do you get the replacement sprockets?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Lee Legrand]

Is Sun XCD a different company than SR SUNTOUR?
https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/
http://www.srsuntour-cycling.com/SID=si2a13400691526f93776ec0bdf6d126/index.php


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Sat, 2013-04-13 at 17:32 -0700, Matthew J wrote:
  Kind of afraid this would be the case, Jan.  I have a private horde of
  7 Suntour Winner Pros.  Fortunately Winner Pro were so well made, and
  now, thanks to a tip from Patrick, I found someone who is much more
  adept than I rebuilding freewheels, mine should outlive me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Thanks for bringing up those points, Jan - I'm not specifically against 
freewheels.  My experience was that I regularly bent axles on my old mtb 
which had a freewheel and never had that problem with any freehubs.  My 
recollection was that the mtb (which was a six speed 1983 drivetrain) had 
narrower cones than my XT and DuraAce freehubs.  But again, no data to back 
that up.

And I guess the point I was really trying to make stemmed from your comment 
about the loss of tooling, expertise and the necessary economies of scale 
involved in making a quality freewheel today.  Since most of the bicycle 
market probably is less likely to support it, it seems freewheel production 
isn't likely to increase.  But since there are plenty of freehubs around, 
why not continue to let them make the ratchety bits and focus on making 
something that is not designed to shift in a crosswind.  Okay, that's 
overstating it, but it seems to me that creating a longer-toothed cassette 
of longer-wearing material might be a simpler option. 

I just recall walking into the old shops and looking at the cog board in 
the back.  It seems like it should be comparatively easy to come up with a 
similar solution.  Though I'm ignorant of any constraints which are in 
place for makers having to license the interface spline from Shimano.  

- Jim / cyclofiend.com



On Monday, April 15, 2013 8:43:36 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:

 The bearings spacing on most cassette hubs is no different from that of a 
 freewheel hub. With the exception of Shimano and Mavic and a few small 
 makers, all freehubs have the hub bearings under the flanges, more or less. 
 As long as the axle is properly designed, that is not a problem.

 The problem with most freewheel hubs were the thin axles. They were 
 designed for 4-speed and 115 mm spacing. With that short overhang, no 
 problem. Then they added another 5 mm on the drive-side for 5-speed, and it 
 was getting marginal. Then they added another 6 mm to use 6-speed, and the 
 design no longer worked. They now had more than twice the lever as before, 
 yet kept the diameter of the axle the same. It's surprising that it worked 
 as well as it did!

 Adding grooves in the axle on both sides made the problem worse. (Who 
 needs to adjust their hub on both sides? Maxi put the grooves on the 
 non-drive side only, so you adjusted only that side.)

 There are plenty of freewheel hubs that don't break axles. Don't conclude 
 from a poor execution that the entire concept is flawed. Cassette hubs have 
 their own design problems. The biggest one is that the bearings under the 
 cassette have to be relatively small.

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 http://www.bikequarterly.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

 On Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:22:59 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
  

 But, I'm not real keen on going back to the narrow bearing spacing from 
 the freewheel days.  (Bent waaay too many axles back then.)  



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[RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[hsmitham]

Rob,

That's a pretty good looking finish. 

As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, electric 
shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the enjoyment 
of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to nature, for 
the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of cycling.” 


So Suntour see's the niche market and figures to re-enter good thing many 
of you persevered on the fringe. I second the notion more choices are good 
and the stated philosophy of getting out in nature is a valued concept. I 
for one went from Mountain biking to road and recently discovered the wide 
open freedom of mixed terrain. If a company makes good 
quality reasonably priced products that allow me to ride with infrequent 
breakdowns Hallelujah.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 2:00:37 PM UTC-7, rperks wrote:

 A pretty good idea of the finish on the hubs:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/therubbishbin/8514301374/
 Rob

 On Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:55:28 PM UTC-7, rperks wrote:

 The hubs and some other bits are being brought to our shores through 
 Merry Sales, they are real, and I have held them.  The finish is not super 
 fancy, bit not bad.  I am looking forward to trying one out.

 Rob
 Ventura, Ca

 On Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:21:25 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 If it's spring, it must be time for the annual Suntour is coming back 
 as SunXCD announcement. I wish them well, but it seems like they've been 
 talking about this for a long time.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Friday, April 12, 2013 9:39:55 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 Forwarding from the Rando list. Interesting from the many Rivs with 
 Suntour components...

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, Wa

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Jenny Oh Hatfield plat...@gmail.com
 *Date:* April 12, 2013, 9:36:27 AM HST
 *To:* ran...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* *[Randon] Suntour is back  says it's keeping it real w/ 
 old skool ideology*

 Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component 
 business.  As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, 
 electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the 
 enjoyment of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to 
 nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of 
 cycling.”  For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and 
 randonneuring 
 components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday.

 Read more here https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/.

 Cheers,

 Jenny

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