Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas Help

That's a great build, Max. Thanks. On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:52 AM Ryan wrote: > It is indeed a lovely bike and maybe my favorite Rivendell moniker. I > wouldn't get rid of it either! > > On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 10:33:20 AM UTC-5 reynoldslugs wrote: > >> Tim I can't answer your question

[RBW] Re: Legolas Help

It is indeed a lovely bike and maybe my favorite Rivendell moniker. I wouldn't get rid of it either! On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 10:33:20 AM UTC-5 reynoldslugs wrote: > Tim I can't answer your question about which Reader profiled the Legolas. > I can tell you that they are a very lovely

[RBW] Re: Legolas Help

Tim I can't answer your question about which Reader profiled the Legolas. I can tell you that they are a very lovely bike, always a pleasure to ride and nice to look at. Mine is a 61 and I don't plan to sell it, but can share some pictures:

[RBW] Re: Legolas Rackless Dirt Rando build

Nikko Excellent photography and a very nice build. Couple of questions. Is the finish of the bike sort of matte, because it looks that way to me in a couple of the shots. Perhaps it is the way you have the lighting set. Also, I'm curious about what the rear hub is/ Thanks JP On Sunday,

[RBW] Re: Legolas Rackless Dirt Rando build

Really well done on the build! What a beautiful bike. Philip Sonoma County, Calif On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 9:48:51 PM UTC-8 Nikko in Oakland wrote: > Hey y’all, > > Got this Legolas from a list member here. I had it built very similarly to > the previous owner initially, but made some

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas Rackless Dirt Rando build

Excellent pics! Nice bicycle :) On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 2:45:56 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote: > I like what you did with the tires Nikko! > > Joe > > On Feb 13, 2022, at 10:12 AM, Nikko in Oakland > wrote: > > Thanks y'all. > > > I almost got a Ritchey Outback last year, but

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas Rackless Dirt Rando build

I like what you did with the tires Nikko! Joe > On Feb 13, 2022, at 10:12 AM, Nikko in Oakland > wrote: > > Thanks y'all. > I almost got a Ritchey Outback last year, but ended up with an Evasion Lite > initially. I sold that once I got the Legolas. They're all very different > bikes, but

[RBW] Re: Legolas Rackless Dirt Rando build

Thanks y'all. I almost got a Ritchey Outback last year, but ended up with an Evasion Lite initially. I sold that once I got the Legolas. They're all very different bikes, but I'm super happy with where I landed. On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 9:01:47 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote: > Nikko, > > Thanks

[RBW] Re: Legolas Rackless Dirt Rando build

Nikko, Thanks for sharing the images of your Legolas. Really nice all the way around! Bike, parts, landscape and photography. The water bottles say it. Cool! Best, Rich in ATL On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 12:48:51 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote: > Hey y’all, > > Got this Legolas from a

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Kurt, I know North Carolina is still pretty far from Pennsylvania, but if you’re ever traveling south down Raleigh way, you’re totally welcome to stop by and take my 56cm MIT Atlantis for a ride. Then you can decide for yourself which side of the LWB fence you want to plant yourself on.

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

This is pretty similar to my experience with my Legolas. I am using it primarily as a road bike w/ fendrs ATM and it fits 32mm Compass tire with no issues. Mine is nit currently for sale. On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 2:19:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > As promised, this is my ride

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Which reminds me, I want a Shelby GT350 with a flat-plane crank. But I digress! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Thing is, we know Riv offers customs and that they will make you want you want, within their guidelines, which of course would likely include any bike similar, if not identical, to one of their past models. The regular $4,000 full customs include fancy Joe Bell paint, so really all we have

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Maybe the reason Rivendell never drew attention to the fact that you can order some retired models is that few if any customers had ever asked before now, much less actually ordered one. As for letting "the market decide," I assume that if, say, the Legolas had been a huge money maker, they

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

...pick up the phone, order a Legolas in size 62, color xyz, and it’d be ready in maybe 9 months. I’d get a cool bike, and Riv would make a profit. They could use that profit to run their business. What is not realistic about that scenario? Ford sells really cool Shelby Mustangs that cost out

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I think that there’s middle ground to be had here. If Riv can find a builder that will make a frame that people are willing to pay for, and provide them with some profit (enough to make it worth it), then this is a win-win. My understanding is that already-designed frames with blueprints are

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I am reminded of a story about Richard Sachs. Early in his career, he made a frame for a pro rider. The pro rider had very specific design requests that Sachs strongly disagreed with, but he made the frame anyway, because he thought that was the job. Of course, the bike rode badly and the rider

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

"Odd: Didn't Grant way back in the day vocally hold out for level-top tube, fistful of seapost design? I think I do recall that. Not that I care; my 2 remaining rivs have a 3* or so slope." Yes on a fistful of post so you could ride a level-ish toptube frame big enough to get the bars up, no

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Although I, too, wish I had known about all this earlier, I understand why Riv might not want to advertise it. I work at a small business -- not bike related -- and fairly often a customer will ask, "Why don't you still make such-and-such? When is it coming back?" I find this frustrating,

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I have several thoughts about people's complaints about the "hidden menu". Here's how I think about it, in the form of two parables, one made up, and one real. Made up parable: Imagine you owned a cheese shop. Imagine you sell a particular goat cheese. It's very good cheese and you have

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 11:06:09 AM UTC-8, James Valiensi wrote: > > > Rivendell will make you a custom frame, but custom to a point. A friend of > mine wanted a custom Rivendell, he loved everything about them except the > sloping top tube. He wanted it dead flat (Custom road frames have

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 12:06 PM James Valiensi wrote: > Hi, > Here is what I know. > Rivendell was asked to stop using Tolkien names after the movies came out. > The lawyers agreed that the name Rivendell could remain and they could use > up the remainder of the Legolas stickers, > That's

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Kurt As Joe correctly pointed out, Mark Abele is a very accomplish cyclocross racer, and the Legolas is 'Marks bike'. It is still a Rivendell, no question, but It's definitely a race bike. It's got a lower BB than some cross bikes, and it has a lot more flex and springiness than some of the

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

The trick is to imagine how Mark Abele designed his cross customs 15-20 years ago, then imagine Grant made a production model of it. This was the Rambouillet era, long before what most Rivs look like now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Bill, I appreciate the offer of pictures! It you're running knobby 38s with a little breathing room, I suspect it would clear fenders around enough tire for me. More is better, but I don't want to sound greedy! Do you have any thoughts you can share on the ride? I've read the Legolas

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Roberta, I'm with you. I'm not sure I understand the "hidden menu". I'm sure Grant and company do it for a reason, but I don't know what it is. My guess about pushing frames in inventory vs. made to measure is pure speculation and being curious out loud. And I think you're right about

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Kurt, It seemed to me that if a business has something they are willing to sell (I assume at a good profit), they'd let potential buyers know. (That is just my unused marketing degree talking. I don't mean to be armchair quarterbacking of running their business.) I wonder how many who have

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Kurt I am holding a recent Legolas. It’s got 38 knobbies on it now with nice clearance but not enough to include fenders. I’m likely going to put 35 road tires on it tonight. I’ll take a couple clearance shots of that for you if I get around to it. Bill Lindsay The Little Hill, Ca -- You

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Roberta, I wonder if part of it is a desire on their part to clear the inventory they have in house. I think Grant has mentioned needing to pay their suppliers up front for frame shipments, which is reasonable. If they have a bunch of Clems and Hillbornes in the back and are waiting to get

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Hi, Here is what I know. Rivendell was asked to stop using Tolkien names after the movies came out. The lawyers agreed that the name Rivendell could remain and they could use up the remainder of the Legolas stickers, After that no more LOR references are allowed. So no more Legolas will be

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Yeah, that's odd. Maybe ask them about it? All the other parts seem reasonably priced. On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 8:37:01 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: > > I just went over to buy something I needed from Rivendell, inspired by > your post. > They want $42 for a UN55 bottom bracket.

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

I just went over to buy something I needed from Rivendell, inspired by your post. They want $42 for a UN55 bottom bracket. A bottom bracket with an MSRP of $25 and a normal retail price between $15 and $20. Philip Santa Rosa, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Building bikes designed to last a lifetime, like Rivendell does, is the right thing to do--but it's not what pays the bills best. I wonder if it wouldn't be in Riv's best interest to offer consignment used Rivendells / trade ins for new frames in order to get a portion of the proceeds from the

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Thanks John and S! I certainly could have named the thread better (I know better next time!) my heart is warm for y’all. Karl Still in Nash, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Sorry for sidetracking this thread. Karl makes a good point. Although the occasional $1,500-$2,000 frame purchase seems like a lot, steady cash flow is actually what keeps businesses going. Starting now, I am going to commit to ordering at least a few things from Rivendell every month,

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Fantastic idea, Karl! Buying second, third, or fourth hand is a great way to conserve funds, but if we always *only* do that, well, eventuallyno more Rivendell, and no more Rivendells. In an early Rivendell catalog ---No. 4, I think -- the brown one, in any case --- there was a great

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I absolutely agree with Tom on this. If the business has bikes to sell, they should be on the website with an Add To Cart button. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Thanks for the offer, Bill, but I’m good. Given Riv’s reply last year re: the Hunq, I started looking for a used one. Took a while to find one in good condition and sized right, but find one I did. Joe Bell has had it in his paint queue for a couple of months. As for the Legolas, I was just

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

You can probably order nearly anything you want and I'm sure Rivendell would be happy to talk about specifics. Maybe some of the old production tubes no longer exist so it wouldn't be *exactly* the same thing but the overall design is theirs. A one-off is going to be more expensive than a

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Tom The problem for Rivendell is that their supplier relationships change over time. Do you want to order a frame today? If so, which one? Maybe I can help you figure out how to buy what you want to buy. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito CA On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 3:58:54 AM UTC-8, tc

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I agree, Roberta. This is still confusing because I was told last year by a Riv employee that I could no longer order a Hunq. So, a definitive list of specific frames would help! Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I wonder why they don't advertise that, but keep it a secret. Perhaps put at the bottom of their bike page, next to "Custom", "Previous production frames." Then send out an email blast. On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 10:50:00 PM UTC-5, S wrote: > > In case anyone else here is interested, I

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

In case anyone else here is interested, I asked Riv and you can indeed still order a Legolas (without the name) in a standard size for less than full custom price. It is also possible to order other retired frames, eg, the Saluki. On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 5:01:14 PM UTC-8, tc wrote: > >

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Speaking for myself, I like supporting Rivendell and I have bought from them over many years. I currently have two Rivendell frames, a Toyo and an MiT. I wish I could have bought more, but I bought what I could afford at the time. Inevitably, some of the other frames I was interested in slipped

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Yes but. it was the last one (of that name) or so I was told. I don't know if you can now get the same frame at the same price. Best to call Riv and order one just to make sure! On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 10:16:29 PM UTC-5, S wrote: > > Have you read the Legolas thread? Group member

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

and the longer you wait the less chance there will be a company to order from. If every person on this list who said “all I want is a X” decided to buy a pre-designed model at the cost it takes to build them then things might be very different. Want a 750-1150$ bike? Find a time machine, buy

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

The longer you wait the higher the price will be. BL in EC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Have you read the Legolas thread? Group member Brian Campbell got his Legolas last year for $2,700: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/HyI-BnNcP3o As Bill Lindsay -- who also bought a Nobilette Legolas for less than the current Rodeo price -- explained: "The price

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

I don’t think anyone should assume they can get a Saluki, Bombadil, or Legolas for $2800. That’s the price for the Nobilette Roadeo. At the very least, I would expect the additional canti braze-one would increase the cost. It will be interesting to see how Rivendell iterates the MIT frames. The

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Noted Joe! Karl Nash, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Sorry for contributing to that, although interesting that it worked to get people's attention . . . . . On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 6:02:00 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > > For future reference, kids, stunt titling a thread leads to predictable > results: People are going to revert to

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Yes, original Homer had different geometry. And even when the Homer first came out, it was available in size 57 and up only, with 700c wheels. I don't know if this changed later while still keeping the original geometry. I, too, would never spend $4,000 on a full custom, but I am intrig by

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

For future reference, kids, stunt titling a thread leads to predictable results: People are going to revert to the title in the conversation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Nah. Comparable to the previous Homer sure, but the new Homer is quite a different bike. I am actually disappointed it got the same name with such an overhaul. I'm also not going to ever be spending the custom Riv money (nor are many people) but the MIT frames are quite competitive with

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

The Saluki (I own one) is just a Homer. Buy one. Or ask to get one with shorter chainstays made. Put money on it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

S, Bought one in December. Can’t remember the final price, but always wanted one! Can barely wait the 6ish months! Karl Nash, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Agreed. Canti Saluki might be the perfect (lightly loaded) all-around bike? I am wondering if the semi-custom deal (Rodeo price) mentioned in the Legolas thread would work with the Saluki. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Bringing back the Saluki would be a sure-fire way to get some money out of me. :D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

If Waterford still will build frames for Rivendell you should be able to order a Waterford Atlantis or a Waterford Hilsen. The price Rivendell charges you is the price you’d pay. Both those frames were about $2600 recently so I’m sure that’s still fairly close. BL in EC -- You received this

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Theoretically, to which other models might this apply? For instance, could I order an original version Atlantis or AHH for this price? On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 2:15:10 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > The price difference is in paying Grant to design a new bike. The Legolas > design is

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

EXACTLY. It’s all I want. I’m going to ask. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I am hoping that is the kind of bike the Charlie H Gallop turns out to be -- lighter, shorter wheelbase, cantis. On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 4:05:52 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > It sounds to me like a lot of people would love a totally stock Roadeo > with cantilever brakes. Riv has

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

It sounds to me like a lot of people would love a totally stock Roadeo with cantilever brakes. Riv has done canti-Roms, canti-Rams, canti-Hilsen. A canti-Roa might be the 2020 off-menu ultimate. Let’s race. First person to round up the dollars should get their order in. BL in EC -- You

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

My frame & fork was $2,700. No additional charge for any braze-ons or paint. It has front & rear rack mounts, fender mounts, threaded rear brake bridge for fender mounting,threaded chainstay bridge for fenders, down-tube shifter mounts, pump peg and brazed on canti brake stop. The paint was

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Yes, Rivendells are about the design -- versatility, lugs, geometry, ride. All the builders are good, but, of course, a Nobilette frame is going to be better than, say, some of the Taiwan made frames. I have a Taiwan made frame, and even though it is nicer than 90% of the other bikes out there,

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Then that's a great deal. On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 2:15:10 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > The price difference is in paying Grant to design a new bike. The Legolas > design is done, so it’s much much cheaper than a custom. My Nobilette > Legolas price was lower than the current

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

And this thread has brought up a whole Sackville sack of questions that I’d love to see discussed by Riv folks. This is not really the thread for it, but I’ll throw some out. Eric’s comments about Rene Herse. The Rivendell bikes are Riv designs whether MIT, made by Waterford, or made by Mark

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

The price difference is in paying Grant to design a new bike. The Legolas design is done, so it’s much much cheaper than a custom. My Nobilette Legolas price was lower than the current Nobilette Roadeo. D did the paint. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito Ca -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Brian should be able to answer this question, if he doesn't mind. If Bill is right, then Brian's Legolas pictured above should have cost $2,800, minus fancy paint upcharge. On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 12:28:12 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Bill, where is the price difference that would

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I doubt it would be Rodeo price. Brian could answer this question -- if you are correct, his Legolas pictured above should have cost $2,800, at least before fancy paint. On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 11:14:13 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Rivendell is actively trying to drum up business

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Bill, where is the price difference that would make Roadeo and potentially New Name Legolas cheaper than a full custom? No Joe Bell paint? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Rivendell is actively trying to drum up business for Mark Nobilette. If you’ve got a $1400 frame deposit burning a hole in your pocket and want a cyclocross race bike, I’m sure Riv will take your deposit and get your frame made for you. I’d expect the Legolas price would be really close to a

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Also, the Legolas is a *racing* bike and I would guess that Grant Petersen never intended to offer it long term, being as Rivendell is the "un-racer" bike company. That said, I think a Legolas-like frame -- relatively lightweight, cantis, classic geometry -- might do well. I have wanted to

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

@aeroperf, Nice wine holder! A little classier than a king cage, isn't it. I guess the whole Legolas thing, as you point out, seems to be so niche that it wasn't viable to offer en masse like the MIT Sam, Atlantis, Clem, -- even if the number of lugs were reduced, etc.. I, too, have gotten

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I also had a shot at a Legolas frame held right in front of my face by the man himself (Mark) and didn't jump. I'm not even going to tell you the price because you'll be just as saw as I am right now thinking about it  But would I jump on one today? Nope. They're cool, but I have no use for a

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

The Hunqapillar will be offered again, in a made to order version like the Rodeo. My understanding is that Grant retired the Legolas, Quickbeam, etc, for financial reasons. They were relatively expensive to produce and just didn't sell well enough. Rivendell has also had to move to using

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

OK, and I’m glad that Warner Brothers didn’t force/change the name of the bike shop, too. I’m thinking that you folks are right about everything coming together. Even my Sam gets compliments on the bike path by people who don’t know it’s a Rivendell, and by people who do, and it is part of

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

You are correct -- Rivendell can no longer use the Legolas name for copyright reasons. Warner Brothers allowed Riv to use up their remaining stock of decals but that was it. As for the mystique . . . I think everything came together perfectly on the Legolas. Geometry, graphics, lug choices.

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Joe made a good point - my comment was a bit obscure. Let me ask the question a different way. I believe (correct me if wrong) that Rivendell isn’t making Legolas decals any more because of reasons (maybe copyright)? But you CAN get a custom with the exact same geometry, and paint job? If

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I don't understand the connection to Temple Cycles (which I've never heard of). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Probably not for me, because I don't bend that well anymore. Also, you can get a wine bottle holder with these: https://www.templecycles.co.uk/ :-) I agree the Legolas is one beautiful bike, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

His wife Amy's fuschia crosser is amazing, too. I saw it live in color once and it's shocking! On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 1:45:23 PM UTC-8, S wrote: > Mark's bikes are my favorites on the Staff Bikes page. His two customs look > like the Legolas, which is no surprise as Grant has

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Mark's bikes are my favorites on the Staff Bikes page. His two customs look like the Legolas, which is no surprise as Grant has referred to the Legolas as "Mark's bike." If I were to order a custom, I would ask for the matte green Legolas, but with the changes I mentioned above. And maybe

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I love that green. This matte green on Mark @ Riv's Legolas is pretty rad, too. I tried to talk myself into it for my upcoming (not a Legolas) custom but I'm not that brave! On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 11:43:50 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote: > I ordered mine this past year when they

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

That's a great looking bike. Excellent choices all around, from paint to components. On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 11:43:50 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote: > > I ordered mine this past year when they said they had one set of decals > left. and would no longer build them as anything but a

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

I ordered mine this past year when they said they had one set of decals left. and would no longer build them as anything but a custom order (different decals). I really love the ride. Steeper head and seat tube angles than my 2013 AHH, lighter build and a great ride. I couldn't say if it was

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

Yes, that's the big deal -- they are beautiful. And maybe being racing bikes adds to the mystique. Cross was the cool bike thing to do before gravel came along. I would buy a used Legolas if I saw one for a good price, but, all else being equal, I would rather have a custom Riv with more BB

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

And for me (a happy Roadeo owner), the appeal lies in the idea of a similarly svelte Grant-designed bike, but with even larger tires. Fast, light bikes that preserve the manners and handling of a Rivendell are FUN. That doesn’t mean stouter, stately bikes aren’t also fun! If I could clear out

[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

The blue for the Legolas is exquisite. Mike SLO CA On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 5:10:16 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: > Cross bikes are racing bikes. So most other Riv bikes would be better at > more things than the Legolas, but the Legolas would be better at racing > cross than most

[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

Not exact--just close enough. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

Jay, I think this is a fit issue if you are trying to replicate your fit from one bike onto another. Is that the goal? I have heard of something I think is called an "XY axis method" that does this. Done with lasers. I think it is based on how bars and saddle sit relative to the bb. I think.

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

What stem angle are folks running to get to around bar height without a ton of spacers or super steep stem angle---6 or 7 degrees? Photos would be helpful if you have them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

Neither will affect the way the stem makes the bike feel. Obviously, they will affect the fit and feel in other ways. On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Kai Vierstra wrote: > Would they affect it, indirectly? > -Kai > Brooklyn NY > > -- > You received this message because

[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

Would they affect it, indirectly? -Kai Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

Neither head tube angle nor BB height will directly effect stem length. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

What about head tube angles, those must be acoounted for also ! What about bottom bracket heights also ? Everything comes into play in subtle and not so subtle ways. FWIW, every bike is completely different, and as such you think you ought to be in a position just like X bike, but once upon

[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

Very helpful. So, comparing: 1) the 56.5 top tube length with 73 seat tube angle of the Legolas; 2) the Homer's 58.5 top tube length, 72 seat tube angle, and current 90mm stem; and 3) my second-hand Custom's 57.5 top tube length,72 seat tube angle, and current 90mm stem... I think I need

[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

Jay, To copy the cockpit position from the Homer to the Legolas, you need to make one adjustment. Subtract one cm from your Legolas stem before you compare and compensate for different top tube lengths. In other words, the one degree steeper seat tube angle on the Legolas has taken up roughly

[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

Howdy Jay, Maybe this will be helpful. http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:17:33 PM UTC-5, Call Me Jay wrote: > I'm building up a 57cm Legolas soon with a threadless steerer. My 58cm > 650b Homer and second hand 57ish cm Custom has 90mm quill stems and

[RBW] Re: Legolas tire clearances?

Addison: I just put a pair of those new Compass tires - - the 38's - - - on my Legolas, they fit very easily. Plenty of room. I'm currently in the process of upgrading/updating the bike, will post pics in a week or two. Max B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

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