[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-22 Thread Juhani
It seems like the shifter is working now! :) Almost too embarrassing to tell how it went. I never got the shifting adjusted while the bike was in the stand (actually 2 different stands). Trust me, I tried everything. That’s why I never tried it loaded - the shifting seemed far too nasty for that.

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-22 Thread eflayer
I have never had quite that dramatic and experience from the stand to the road under load, but guessing, trial and error have both been a big part of my learning about bikes. The net is a wonderful thing. On Nov 22, 10:28 am, Juhani juhani.lait...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like the shifter is

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-21 Thread Juhani
Hi guys, Yes, I’m still trying to figure out the problem. I promise I'll let you know if I get it fixed. At the moment, I’m riding the bike with friction shifting, but I hope the indexing is eventually going to start working. I'll show the bike to the mechanic in my LBS next week. The guy in

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-20 Thread eflayer
are you still screwing with this? check out these detailed instruction and notice the last paragraph re: Rapid Rise. Maybe there is something new here: http://mountain.bike198.com/how-to-install-and-adjust-your-rear-derailleur/ On Nov 20, 1:22 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-19 Thread Juhani
The cable is routed correctly I think. Here’s a link to Shimano’s technical instructions for the derailleur: http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/SI/SI_5W50A_001/SI_5W50A_001_En_v1_m56577569830616237.pdf I’ve followed the instructions and secured the cable in the groove as

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-18 Thread Earl Grey
Yes. There is a special tool any bike shop should have that's basically a long straight stick that screws into the hanger threads, and because of its length makes a small bend noticeable. Gernot On Nov 18, 1:58 pm, Juhani juhani.lait...@gmail.com wrote: I mixed things a bit in my answer about

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-18 Thread Juhani
I called my LBS, but they’re leaving to a bicycle show over the weekend. Their mechanic ask me every same question as you guys, and he couldn’t understand what could be wrong. He told me that it sounds like it’s something wrong with the shifter or that Shimano has changed the cable pull for the

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-18 Thread Phil Bickford
Hi Juhani and RBWer's I looked at the photo in your post and immediately thought - the cables on the wrong side of the fixing bolt. But knowing how I have a penchant for having a big mouth and for being incorrect at times with my snap judgments, I withheld saying anything till I had a look around

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-17 Thread Juhani
Thanks for all the answers. Earl Grey: Yes, the shifters is 9-speed (or atleast it has “compatible with 9-speed” text on it). I used Silver Shifters before, but I found it really difficult to shift between the 4 largest cogs on 11-34 9- speed cassette while riding uphill with some cable tension.

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-17 Thread William
With your updated report you've ruled out cable and housing friction, and in my opinion have eliminated re-routing the cable/housing as a possible solution. If it were friction related, you'd shift well in the 'pulling the cable directio' and poorly in the 'releasing the cable direction' over all

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-17 Thread Juhani
Yes, it’s frustrating because I’ve only heard good things about this combination, but for some reason I can’t get it right. My rear cassette has 9 cogs for sure. And even if it didn’t, my Dura Ace shifters has written on them: “Compatible with RD-7700(9s) RD-7400(8s)”. So it should work even

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-17 Thread Juhani
OK, but anyways it's a Shimano XT 9-speed cassette with XT 9-speed chain. I counted the cogs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this

Re: [RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 11:07 -0800, William wrote: With your updated report you've ruled out cable and housing friction, and in my opinion have eliminated re-routing the cable/housing as a possible solution. If it were friction related, you'd shift well in the 'pulling the cable directio' and

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-17 Thread Juhani
It's a Shimano RD-M770 SGS rear derailleur. Technical Service Instructions paper says Gears: 9. http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/products/mountain/deore_xt/product.-code-RD-M770-SGS.-type-.html

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-17 Thread William
Yep! From what you've described you have a combination that works perfectly every single timejust not yours. A pro looking at it will hopefully find the flaw that we haven't suggested and therefore you haven't told us about, or will decide which part is defective and needs to be replaced.

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-17 Thread Jeremy Till
I'd have somebody check if your derailer hanger is properly aligned. Park makes a gauge for this, most shops should have one... On Nov 17, 1:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Yep!  From what you've described you have a combination that works perfectly every single timejust not

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-17 Thread Juhani
I mixed things a bit in my answer about the torque. The bar-end shifter pods are torqued without tool, but I think they are just right - around 7Nm. They seem very sturdy. The screw that goes through the middle of the shift lever is tightened with a high quality torque tool to recommended 2,5Nm -

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-16 Thread Earl Grey
Juhani, From what I can tell you setup should work fine. Have you checked whether the derailer hanger is bent? See http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html for how. Then follow Sheldon's derailer adjustment procedure on the same page (start on the largest cog instead of the

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-16 Thread Earl Grey
Another thought: Are you sure the shifters are 9-speed? I can coax 8 clicks out of my Shimano 7 speed barends, so perhaps you have an 8 speed that gives you 9 clicks, but the amount of cable pull would be wrong, leading to mis- shifts at one end of the cassette or the other. This is mere idle

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-16 Thread reynoldslugs
I have the identical problem on my Davidson, with a 12-34 9 speed cassette matched to a 24-36-46 triple. The guys at the LBS tried everything, replacing each part, replacing all the parts, lubing, relubing, and readjusting the derailleur. My problem is the same that you describe : the derailleur

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-16 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
If you can determine that the shifters are indeed 9sp, that the derailleur hanger is not bent, that the derailleur and downtube cable stop are snug, and that the cable is routed properly under the bb, then I would check the cable pinch bolt. If the cable runs on the wrong side of the bolt, it

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-16 Thread kuma
On Nov 16, 8:11 am, Juhani juhani.lait...@gmail.com wrote: The derailleur shifted relatively fine on the biggest cogs, but not the 3 smallest ones. If I adjusted it so that the smallest ones shifted fine, then the biggest wouldn’t - and vice versa. Can you elaborate on what shifted fine and

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-16 Thread Michael_S
kinda amazing it doesn't work with all Shimano parts and specifically designated as 9 speed. As Jim pointed out something is not set up right if it doesn't work. I would try different shifters as my next choice of fixing the issue. I thought there was something unique about Dura Ace shifters

RE: [RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-16 Thread Frederick, Steve
Of Michael_S Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:45 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters kinda amazing it doesn't work with all Shimano parts and specifically designated as 9 speed. As Jim pointed out something is not set up right

Re: [RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 12:45 -0800, Michael_S wrote: I thought there was something unique about Dura Ace shifters compatibility too. 8-speed days only. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Problem with adjusting the rear derailler / bar-end shifters

2010-11-16 Thread AJ
You may want to check how your shifter is installed; the little washer may be 90 degrees off.AJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from