Re: [RE-wrenches] questions about solar charging 72v UPS

2011-02-09 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi all I have charged 72 volts on a golf cart type deal, with 2 each morningstar T60 and with 2 each MX 60s But Appolo may work or Classic the trick is only use the charging function do not connect any communication cables   Grounding is the problem.  as one of the controllers is floating. 

Re: [RE-wrenches] Odd Inverter Behavior

2011-02-03 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have seen that behavior almost. if open cirucit is 330 then MPPT should be about 264 which is to close to bottom of the window. Last summer a sunny boy in a similar situation of 8 modules in string was droping out on MPPT tracking. The inverter had additional module added and started to

Re: [RE-wrenches] SunSaver failures; MPPT controller reliability (1A Charge/Load controller)

2011-01-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
Thanks Larry for all the good info, I have not had any problem with SSMPPT but my volume is 2, a few years back I had trouble with a Morningstar product, and they were very fast and complete in the replace ment service.  Also if they know of a problem they are very through ingetting to the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Barrel Roof Mounting

2011-01-22 Thread Darryl Thayer
It depends upon the curature of the roof.  If the cure is great enough run rails horizonal and mount portrate, if the curature is less and your modules can mount on the short side, same plan mounting landscape.  .  From: Aaron Mandelkorn

Re: [RE-wrenches] barrel roof

2011-01-22 Thread Darryl Thayer
Sorry I was thinking a barrel roof was like a 20 foot radius of curature, sort of like a quansit roof.  From: William Miller will...@millersolar.com To: Aaron Mandelkorn reoso...@gmail.com Cc: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Sat, January

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter oversizing

2011-01-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
Location is 45 N latitude, central Minnesota, the array I have watched the most is a seasonal adjustable, adjusted about once a month.  the steepest is about 60 degree tilt.  It is a ground mount and has a flat field in front and easy to adjust.  Weather data is near St. Cloud MN -

Re: [RE-wrenches] Help me locate Light It Technologies aka Montana Light aka Don Smith

2011-01-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
If you find them be sure to post, as I have lost contact also.  I am after the 12 volt and other DC voltage compact fluorescent From: Mick Abraham m...@abrahamsolar.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 10:08:21 AM

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase and oversizing

2011-01-15 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have been assured by enphase that my 215 and 220 lose so little I do not have to worry, however I see them clip at 199 watts for more than 2 hours quite frequently (maybe 3 hrs) the curve is rising on a clear day and it flat tops at 199 W particularly with snow, cold, on my seasonal tracker

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.14 (4) Max Number of Disconnects

2011-01-12 Thread Darryl Thayer
I had a similar situation in Minnesota, my local inspector was puzzeled but the regional inspector said ABSOLUTLY  the solar equipment has to be shut off with no more than 6 motions of the hand.  I combined the AC into a panel of 12 breakers, with one main (i had 12 inverters).  For the DC side

Re: [RE-wrenches] Xslent?

2011-01-07 Thread Darryl Thayer
In Minnesota there are no charge for residentical power factor or for demand.  Industrial commerical services have demand charges and power factor, i.e. VAR related charges.  These charges start at 90% PF, most of my customers have PF greater than 90%.  If I propose a solar system I enclude PF

Re: [RE-wrenches] xantrex TR inverter questions

2011-01-06 Thread Darryl Thayer
perhaps it is voltage controlled.  The voltage rises to end of bulk and then current drops to prevent exceeding that voltage   When you initiate a recharge cycle it quickly raises to absorb and then goes to float.  this sounds like normal operation.  Repeate the test when the battery is

Re: [RE-wrenches] Galvanic corrosion

2010-12-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
Alimunium against galvanize (zinc) is stable, I have been doing this for 40 + years and I have not seen corrosion, I have seen rapid corrosion with copper to galvanize, eating the galvanize up. Also I have seen copper to Aluminium being corrosive, eating on the aluminum. Galvanize is stable

Re: [RE-wrenches] Component Choices for MY RV - Apollo Solar?

2010-12-25 Thread Darryl Thayer
My experance is pperhaps to limited with Magnum but I have been impressed with the surge capacity of the Magnum AE and I assume the PAE is the same. I have started larger motors than most other inverters, where the others will kick out on low voltage the magnum seems to hold longer. I have

Re: [RE-wrenches] Component Choices for MY RV - Apollo Solar?

2010-12-25 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have answered an eariler email, but in regards to backfeed, I have back feed up to 2kW of grid tied inverter into my Magnum 4024 AE and it held grid specification for the DGI inverter. Above 2kW into the Magnum the Grid tied inverter kicks out on frequency specification. Other inverters do

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery based hydrogen incidents

2010-12-15 Thread Darryl Thayer
Yes they happen, Robb Cary of Battery Testing Co. has some frightening photos.  I have lost contact with him however.  I have had an experiance, but I did not take pictures.  When you find the top of the battery and or battery enclousure blowen to smitherens it was a hydrogen explosion.  Sorry

Re: [RE-wrenches] To insulate a battery bank

2010-12-10 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have always been concerned with both high and low temperature.  On case of a battery bank failure it was insulated with 1.5 inch foam (no acid problems) but the battery melted I think from thermal runaway and --- On Fri, 12/10/10, bob ellison reelli...@gmail.com wrote: From: bob ellison

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grant for schools non profit

2010-12-07 Thread Darryl Thayer
Does the 30% grant for schools work? is it real? and how does it work? Thanks Darryl ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings:

Re: [RE-wrenches] One large inverter vs Several small invetrers?

2010-11-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi all I think you need to look at the whole picture, and how much time is in installing one verse 13 or inverters.  From my only a couple of times the single inverter is easier.  Also the question of number of MPPT circuits would be needed You may want to look at if there are advantages in

Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused.

2010-11-14 Thread Darryl Thayer
Yes from all sources of supply, the transformerless inverter is a source of supply.  BOTH legs of all strings should be fused.  It has always been that strings shall be protected from all sources of supply, and only SMA had stated that it will not back feed,  This nature of the transformerless

Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused.

2010-11-14 Thread Darryl Thayer
I never thought I would disagree with William, I have the highest admiration for him, But the transformerless inverter has no seperation between grid and array, no problem if everything is fused.  Darryl --- On Sat, 11/13/10, William Miller will...@millersolar.com wrote: From: William Miller

Re: [RE-wrenches] Charge Control in AC coupled system

2010-11-01 Thread Darryl Thayer
is 50% rule. Is this true for all bi-directional inverters? And curious how you found out?  hard way or via engineer? thanks, jay On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Darryl Thayer wrote: The Morningstar relay driver can exercize an AC laod to take the heaver loads from the inverter by controlling AC

Re: [RE-wrenches] Charge Control in AC coupled system

2010-10-29 Thread Darryl Thayer
The Morningstar relay driver can exercize an AC laod to take the heaver loads from the inverter by controlling AC loads as Jay mentions. BTW this works well but becareful to have the battery system inverter larger than the direct grid inverter otherwise the battery inverter will shut down the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Charge Control in AC coupled system

2010-10-29 Thread Darryl Thayer
engineer? thanks, jay On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Darryl Thayer wrote: The Morningstar relay driver can exercize an AC laod to take the heaver loads from the inverter by controlling AC loads as Jay mentions. BTW this works well but becareful to have the battery system

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small Scale DC Lighting Distribution

2010-10-26 Thread Darryl Thayer
Battery to distubution, I would use a T fuse and a battery breaker to shut off the distubution panel. I would distubute with a Sq.D QO panel. I believe the max breaker size for DC rating is 60 amps on QO breakers. Do you mean 30 watt or 30 watt equivelent leds? the 30 to 50 watt led is

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery cell shorting

2010-10-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
Thanks Jamie I find your input to be most valuable, the photo shows how the plate material has been blown off the positive grid a sure sign of overcharging and overcharge rate Daryl --- On Sat, 10/23/10, James Surrette ja...@surrette.com wrote: From: James Surrette ja...@surrette.com Subject:

Re: [RE-wrenches] 2011 code changes

2010-10-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
Good question and answer, I talked to several at the SPI and indeed they are being developed (series arc fault), But universally people said they have no standard to test to. UL has not writen the test that must be passed Darryl --- On Sat, 10/23/10, Bill Brooks billbroo...@yahoo.com wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Placement

2010-10-22 Thread Darryl Thayer
HI I am on road no code book, but I remember clearances in 110 the electrical equipment is considered to be in one plane if the fronts are with in 6 of each other.  When faced with a similar problem I added spacers to the equipment to resolve.    Good luck --- On Fri, 10/22/10,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery cell shorting

2010-10-22 Thread Darryl Thayer
All batteries have a maximum charge rate and that rate decreases as the batteries get charged.  Rapid charging shows up as swelling of the positive plate. Also the rapid charging will cause the plates both to flake off material and this falls to the bottom of the case eventually shorting the

Re: [RE-wrenches] VAWT recommendation

2010-10-20 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have been known to be an idiot, but put it up for the labor IF you can be sure you are done. I have tested some, and not only did they not last, they did not produce. --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun Wind ke...@whidbeysunwind.com wrote: From: Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC voltage in North America

2010-10-19 Thread Darryl Thayer
alternating current stepped down to 120 volts. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents 115-volt AC/DC universal motors in drills and other tools were fairly common until low-cost induction motors became widespread.   Best regards, Joel Davidson   - Original Message - From: Darryl

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Darryl Thayer
I keep thinking had the installer routinely megohmed the ground and the hot they would have known a ground fault existed, and would have repaired.  The event would have not happened.  Then the short on the conduit would have triped the ground fault detector, and lead to a repair.  No fire.   

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Darryl Thayer
Because the ground is not fuse protected.  A short from the conduit to grounded frames and then to the grounded conductor passes through the comon gronded conductor bus to all of the modules in that string and all other strings that share that grounded conductor bus  which is probibly all the

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC voltage in North America

2010-10-18 Thread Darryl Thayer
When I was an electrical apprentus back in the late 40's we called it 110/220 then in the fifties the voltage was reised to 115/230  and some time in the 1960 it was raised to 120 240   Darryl --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Marco Mangelsdorf ma...@pvthawaii.com wrote: From: Marco Mangelsdorf

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase v. string inverter

2010-10-10 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have seen the top performing contractor in my area sell behind a chiminy and under a tree, claiming 10% more using Enphase than unshaded.    Darryl --- On Sun, 10/10/10, Jamie Johnson jjohn...@spefl.com wrote: From: Jamie Johnson jjohn...@spefl.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase v.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery capacity testers

2010-10-04 Thread Darryl Thayer
I remember a few years back. a customer insisted on a particular arrangment, I said that it was a mistake, it would not work, I did it his way, it did not work, He sued saying I was the expert and I should not have done it that way.  in spite of his insistance.  I lost.  the settlement was not

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling amp hour meters on one shunt?

2010-10-01 Thread Darryl Thayer
Yes I have also paralleled amp meters, and trimetics, and data loggers on one shunt, all with good results. I have even parralleled shunts, two 500s wired reverse return of course, with busbars it also works well. --- On Fri, 10/1/10, penobscotso...@midmaine.com penobscotso...@midmaine.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling amp hour meters on one shunt?

2010-10-01 Thread Darryl Thayer
On Parralleling shunts the meter reads 1/2 the value on each shunt. Darryl --- On Fri, 10/1/10, penobscotso...@midmaine.com penobscotso...@midmaine.com wrote: From: penobscotso...@midmaine.com penobscotso...@midmaine.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling amp hour meters on one shunt?

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tranformless inverter

2010-09-29 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi William, The PV side has to be ungrounded. the inverter provides GFDI.  The AC side is as normal.  If one is installed both of the DC side conductors have to be disconnected at the same time.  If one of the DC conductors becomes grounded it will blow the AC side OCPD.  There is a large AC

Re: [RE-wrenches] Protecting the Installer

2010-09-25 Thread Darryl Thayer
HI all The serious three falls I know of in Minnesota were two ladder related and one no tie off or guard rail.  The two ladder falls were transitioning from the roof to the ladder,  Several OSHA rules were violated, but the biggest was 'Oh I done this before syndrome.  and Lets get done hurry

Re: [RE-wrenches] deadly fall off of roof

2010-09-24 Thread Darryl Thayer
In Minnesota we have had three falls from roofs that I know of.  All three of these falls have had serious results.  All life changing for the worker.  Months in the hospital, to walking problems, hand and arm problems and brain injuries.   Two were  no ladder tie off issues and the third

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV and Roof Flammability

2010-09-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
, Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] PV and Roof Flammability To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 8:39 PM Hi all Of course there were some fires with thermal collectors

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-16 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi all I have done several On Demand Heaters with SDHW, typically the SDHW provides 100% all summer (7-8 months) and then falls short in the winter.  I have never done a On Demand Heater that has made the customer happy.  They all have complained about 'chase the temperature' because there is a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lightning protection (was Delta LA's)

2010-09-15 Thread Darryl Thayer
If you are doing Off Grid is it enough just to drive two ground rods?  and make a connection between them?  Also what is the lowest Ohm reading your DGC 1000 meter can read? Thanks  --- On Wed, 9/15/10, R Ray Walters r...@solarray.com wrote: From: R Ray Walters r...@solarray.com Subject: Re:

Re: [RE-wrenches] SunPower and Watsun 225 tracker

2010-09-14 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi all I have a very large client (160 acre campus) who wants a few as many as 40 trackers, I am installing and on the road. But wants to gain experience with one unit. Does any one know or have a 225 they would be willing to part with and wait for my order? Also Client says that

Re: [RE-wrenches] Micro-Inverter Challenge Winners Declared. Interesting details to follow.

2010-09-05 Thread Darryl Thayer
Thanks for the discussion, I have found that for me there is no time advantage in micro inverters. The wire management under the modules slows me down. But for very small systems they seem to advantages. The industry is rapidly changing, and with the code 2011 NEC and the arc fault

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC to AC syncrhonizer for hydro plant.

2010-09-02 Thread Darryl Thayer
If the hydro is small I think I would try rectifying and putting into a charge controller.  and then use an Outback to make grid power.  (GFX)  Each charge controller would need its own rectifier.  never parallel charge controllers on the DC input side.  This is only helpful if the hydro can

Re: [RE-wrenches] roof noise after solar install.

2010-09-01 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi all, thanks so much. I did do dilignece and checked it out. I thank you so much for the suggestions, I do not want to hear from this roof again, so I looked at it all. Here is my conclusions: When the array was installed, the first row was set, the next row was set on top touching the

Re: [RE-wrenches] phase issues with SB8000US

2010-08-31 Thread Darryl Thayer
It sure sounds like the surge is pushing the voltage around. I susspect that the AC is causing voltage sag and the UPS is tripping off this low voltage. I thought if the SB8000 used a neutral connection it was not supposed to get pushed off center. The most puzzeling thing is why did it not

Re: [RE-wrenches] roof noise after solar install.

2010-08-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 7:55 AM Expansion joint in rails? Holt E. Kelly Holtek Fireplace Solar Products 500 Jewell Dr. Waco TX. 76712 254-751-9111 www.holteksolar.com - Original Message - From: Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] roof noise after solar install.

2010-08-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
I would verify with them..they have expansion joint plates. Holt E. Kelly Holtek Fireplace Solar Products 500 Jewell Dr. Waco TX. 76712 254-751-9111 www.holteksolar.com - Original Message - From: Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re

Re: [RE-wrenches] thermal imaging stud sensors

2010-08-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
Bosch and Milwalkee Tool have them, I have seen them advertized and demonstrated on a mock roof, They work reliably with one layer of asphalt shingles, not with two. The cheap ones do not work. these are ultra sound I think. Darryl --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Gary Easton g...@arp-solar.com wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] roof noise after solar install.

2010-08-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
.that might get tricky...can you split the run ...say have 2 - 15' rails with 1' separation Holt E. Kelly Holtek Fireplace Solar Products 500 Jewell Dr. Waco TX. 76712 254-751-9111 www.holteksolar.com - Original Message - From: Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com To: RE-wrenches re

Re: [RE-wrenches] roof noise after solar install.

2010-08-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
Sorry so slow getting back, I put answers int questions Thanks Matt --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Matt Lafferty gilliga...@gmail.com wrote: From: Matt Lafferty gilliga...@gmail.com Darryl, No answers. Just questions in search of answers. Is this a single-layer comp roof? Yes Did the noises

Re: [RE-wrenches] roof noise after solar install.

2010-08-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
exceeded the 30' limitjust guessing. Holt E. Kelly Holtek Fireplace Solar Products 500 Jewell Dr. Waco TX. 76712 254-751-9111 www.holteksolar.com - Original Message - From: Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent

Re: [RE-wrenches] roof noise after solar install.

2010-08-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
where the two structures met.  Nick Soleil Project Manager Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC PO Box 657 Petaluma, CA 94953 Cell: 707-321-2937 Office: 707-789-9537 Fax:707-769-9037 From: Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Mon

Re: [RE-wrenches] roof noise after solar install.

2010-08-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
data point.  Hope this helps... Dan --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] roof noise after solar install. To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 1:23 PM

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter for fire protection pump

2010-08-28 Thread Darryl Thayer
Sorry this could be more helpful if I had a better memory, I don't mean to ramble, but some wrenches may find value. I am working on a standalone system now and I am in testing. Normally I use OUtback, (and I am very happy) and this time I decided to use Magnum 4024 AE. The job has both a

Re: [RE-wrenches] useful info on wire color coding

2010-08-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
HI all it is referenced several times.  First 110.15 Orange or other marking ect     408.3E Panel boards     409.120 Industrial panel boards     430.80-84 (MCC) Motor Control Centers Part of this is from memory, I do not have my code book handy, and as always my memory is not so good --- On

Re: [RE-wrenches] useful info on wire color coding

2010-08-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] useful info on wire color coding To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 11:04 AM HI all it is referenced several times.  First 110.15 Orange or other

Re: [RE-wrenches] Plug-in solar

2010-08-22 Thread Darryl Thayer
How can this be approved? so a homeowner takes an extension cord and plugs in solar after solar he has a 20 amp circuit and on one end he has a 20 amp breaker and on the other he has 20 amps of solar, now he has an overload and no protection, underwriters says no way on insurance! darryl ---

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage discrepancy

2010-08-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
Bob you know the architecture of the MX60 is it a design problem or is it a component problem, I have not noticed this problem in older MX60s but I was not looking for it either. I have been able to adjust the meter and I typically would not check it again. I use my meter and adjust the MX60

Re: [RE-wrenches] phase rotation wiring

2010-08-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
I should know this, when you face the motor looking at the shaft it will turn CW when it is wired ABC or Black Red Blue, for 120/208 or 240  3phase BUT BUT you had best not trust the color code, the code no longer requires colors, and when installing motors we always test.  There are testers

Re: [RE-wrenches] DR2424 inverters charging poorly: three units in two days!

2010-08-20 Thread Darryl Thayer
Just a note, FYI The GFCI will work without a ground, it operates when the current is different between the Hot and the Neutral If the generator does not ground the neutral it is supposed to be grounded on the service or what ever is using the power.  The honda inverter generator may not have

Re: [RE-wrenches] Advice needed on upsizing a battery grid interactive inverter stack

2010-08-08 Thread Darryl Thayer
member provide feedback on the Canadian mfr, Mechron?   Much appreciated,  Mick Abraham, Proprietor www.abrahamsolar.com Voice: 970-731-4675 On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a functioning Outback system of 12 inverters, the original

Re: [RE-wrenches] Advice needed on upsizing a battery grid interactive inverter stack

2010-08-08 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi Doug My 12 stack may not be in compliance today, it appeared to be in compliance when it was installed.  It works, but I do not wish to look to hard at it.  It involved extra and custom work by outback when it was installed. Darryl --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Doug Pratt dmpr...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Advice needed on upsizing a battery grid interactive inverter stack

2010-08-08 Thread Darryl Thayer
www.abrahamsolar.com Voice: 970-731-4675 On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Doug My 12 stack may not be in compliance today, it appeared to be in compliance when it was installed.  It works, but I do not wish to look to hard at it.  It involved

Re: [RE-wrenches] Advice needed on upsizing a battery grid interactive inverter stack

2010-08-07 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have a functioning Outback system of 12 inverters, the original design was for 15 inverters. My system can sell up to 40 kW to the grid and I have seen pictures of systems up to 25 inverters.  How big a battery bank and how big a generator?  Realistically you may not want to charge over C/10  

Re: [RE-wrenches] wind scam?

2010-07-24 Thread Darryl Thayer
Roy is this not the same except fot the ridiges that Mick Sigrillo reported on in 2009 small wind conference, the same one that I had taken data on?  Mick reported at the rate of energy production it would take 1000 yrs to pay back.  My data was equally bad ST --- On Sat, 7/24/10, Chris Daum

Re: [RE-wrenches] #10 THWN-2

2010-07-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
I found similar to Phil, but all the wire had thwn-2 on the spool label but not on the wire.  Execpt for pink it did not have thwn-2 on the spool lable.    Darryl --- On Fri, 7/23/10, Phil Undercuffler solarp...@gmail.com wrote: From: Phil Undercuffler solarp...@gmail.com Subject: Re:

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling to an Endurance wind machine

2010-07-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
terribly inconvenienced. On 7/22/2010 9:09 PM, Darryl Thayer wrote: I am talking with a customer who wants to do a standalone system using an Endurance wind machine, solar, and genset.   I have

Re: [RE-wrenches] aluminum heat fins for radiant retrofit...who's got 'em?

2010-07-22 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have used this approach with 1/2 inch nom. copper tube, it works.  The Aluminum I got form New Jersey Aluminum, they sold out to another company.  I am not sure it is made any more, but I had a custom extrusion made for me for about $3000  I have also seen a thin folded AL fin from floor heat

Re: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING

2010-07-22 Thread Darryl Thayer
remote control, and BMK battery monitoring kit can do enhanced SOC control.  Has anyone compared this with the Outback as I have not used the PAE inverter yet, only the AE inverter?  Darryl --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
My experiance is limited, but I saw results of paralled AGMs cataching fire, It was several years ago, I think is was only 4 parallel strings (maybe 6). It happened during the day with a high charge rate. AGMs have a higher temperature voltage temperature curve. The temperature got higher on

Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

2010-07-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
The propane and gasoline generators both ar premixed combustion and have a low efficiency at part throttle/ part load. The Diesel does the best job of maintaining efficency at low load. The outback can control its charging current to the load limit of the generator. If the AC loads need

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16 2v vs 6v

2010-07-15 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi Ronald Thanks for helping with these battery questions.  I think I have seen improved cycle life increase when I keep the recharge rate lower.  I do not recomsnd a very large generator, in fact I tend to recomend smaller generators. I also believe in SOC charge control, where if the SOC gets

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interstate UL-16 HC problem

2010-06-29 Thread Darryl Thayer
That is a tough one to diagnose, but I think you have some sulfation, I have used interstates and had reasonable luck.  They act more like a traction battery than a RE battery.  This might be a job for a desulfator or a very long slow charge.  It takes a long time to get sulfur to leave the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Production and Consumption monitoring?

2010-06-28 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hello I am very interested in the Egauge I think it can be looked at egauge.net  It can monitor AC power (current) on 9 channels, and outputs on power-line carrier, I have been told they can put it on the internet at no additional cost.     Darryl --- On Sun, 6/27/10, Glenn Burt

Re: [RE-wrenches] Demand savings from PV FYI

2010-06-26 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi all A while back we had a thread going on demand savings from PV. I reciently viewed a 1 year data set. The PV Savings were $36/ month on energy and almost $100 a month on Demand. The company is a small business with lots of computers and of course air conditioning We are blessed with a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Demand savings from PV FYI

2010-06-26 Thread Darryl Thayer
, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Darryl Thayer Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 7:21 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Demand savings

Re: [RE-wrenches] Additional Battery Charger

2010-06-18 Thread Darryl Thayer
Use caution here the battery cycles depends upon DOD and recharge rate.  I have found that recharge rates over C/10 shorten battery life.  And if you measure the recharge voltage absorb volts, you can not push even that hard except when the battery is low.  Further charge voltage gets to high

Re: [RE-wrenches] Additional Battery Charger

2010-06-18 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi The load issue with Diesels is most stand by diesels are started once per month, and run for a period of time, this is at light load.  If the Diesel is not worked hard the rings lose there seal ie compression falls and makes them hard to start.  Therefore they are load tested on various

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV solar powered pond aeration compressor

2010-06-17 Thread Darryl Thayer
I do not remember every doing one, but I have been asked several times.  I assume you want the maximum oxygen for the minimum energy? or do you want the pond to have some circulation to prevent freezing?    I would think just pumping air to the bottom would be a low return, prehaps spraying

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters

2010-06-11 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi fellow wrenches forgive me if this has been said. The AC is a special problem on MIcro inverters because the long runs modules to service are now in the AC section of the system.  The DC connections are very short.  The utility has a +- 5% normal tolerance, which leaves us with only 5% to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Real world PV production

2010-06-11 Thread Darryl Thayer
Just my two cents worth, from measured data we get about 1250 kWh per watt in Minnesota per year this is measured over roughly 8 years, I had more trouble with the monitoring system than the array.  The winter measured lower than predicted, and the summer measured higher.  The winter is easy to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Unshaded micro-inverter performance

2010-06-07 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi I have such a set up but the monitoring would be the problem.  I think I would want a thing like a TED that works. Darryl --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Andrew Truitt atru...@gmail.com wrote: From: Andrew Truitt atru...@gmail.com Subject: [RE-wrenches] Unshaded micro-inverter performance To:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Unshaded micro-inverter performance

2010-06-07 Thread Darryl Thayer
+ demand monitoring and we've been pretty happy with them.  Not always the easiest thing to install and make look good but it does work!  A little pricier than TED though. - Andrew On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Darryl Thayer daryl_so...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi I have such a set up

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC breakers used in DC applications

2010-05-13 Thread Darryl Thayer
I thought the Sq.D QO for sizes up to 60 amp was rated for DC?  and only the Square D  Also why not use DC breakers? Robin makes some very small breaker boxes, and he alos has high voltage breakers,  (at least 250 volt? DC) Darryl --- On Thu, 5/13/10, William Miller will...@millersolar.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] FM60/rectifier for gen charging

2010-04-27 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi what you are referring to is sometimes called the DT Kluge. I have used it in a couple of ways. The original reason was to use a small, 120 volt, low quality generator to act as an emergency charging scheme for an Outback Bimodal system. (Grid tied where they were having frequent outages

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apollo T80HV

2010-04-19 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hello I have used the T80HV and no problems.  HOwever I am not as close to the limit as you are.  My app exceeded the T80 and Flexmax 80 voltage limits, it has been awhile and I do not remember the exact specs.   I also just accept the data it presents, I have no indication that it is

Re: [RE-wrenches] overfeed 7kW gridtie inverter or drop a mod per string?

2010-04-19 Thread Darryl Thayer
The temperature correction is the concern.  I have heard lots of stories of inverters dieing when it gets to cold.  Look in the code book 690.7 at the temperature correction table.  Go to weather.com and find your record low temperature.  Find you Tc factor and will your senerios work?  I have

Re: [RE-wrenches] Utility Dis-connect for AC coupled Systems

2010-04-17 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi Jeff I have used Outback inverters and not had a problem,   I use both SB and PVP for the AC side and a varity of connections on the DC side of the Outback.    Frankly I have had very good success, I hope it continues.  I can not figgure out why your system would act this way.  Darryl ---

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC lightning arrestors

2010-04-17 Thread Darryl Thayer
This last week I spoke with a cell phone tower installer. He said, Nothing beats the ground! he said the most important thing is the tower grounding, The idea of 25 Ohms to Ground is way to high. Ground rods are useless,and lightning arresters do no good without a good ground, in fact people who

Re: [RE-wrenches] low cost DAS systems

2010-04-13 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi Peter APRS world has a revinue grade DAS James could advise you as to multiple power inputs.  I also think he as alarm settings..   On a demand reduction system I am just performing monitoring using a very cheap TED.  I am working on a building with 800 amp single phase service,  I just

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-Grid Diesel Generators

2010-04-12 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi all for what it is worth, I have heard of strange things with the northern lights and other inverters.  ( think it was about switching spikes when working with inverters)  This seems to be special with the northern lights generator. --- On Mon, 4/12/10, benn kilburn b...@daystarsolar.ca

[RE-wrenches] sources of DC equipment

2010-04-11 Thread Darryl Thayer
HI all I just got a Standalone north woods 14 x 20 feet, 2 room 4 season home. It is so small I want to do most loads DC, it has been over a year since I have had this type project. Where are people getting 24 or 32 or 48 volt CFLs? Are there any LED now suitable at these voltages?

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage degradation

2010-04-08 Thread Darryl Thayer
Drake, I measured and published a paper in 1992 on the after 10 year performance of solar modules, my study concluded these modules degraded approximately 1% per year. The purpose of the study was the effect on utility demand.   I have heard there are some very good studies with similar

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC modules verses codes and safety

2010-04-03 Thread Darryl Thayer
Yes But I think we are missing one point.  AC modules are a source of power, they are overcurrent protected unlike DC wiring, But if you add electrical energy it is like increasing the breaker size without increasing the wire size.  If a DIY takes and puts 16 amps of solar on a 20 amp circuit

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-02 Thread Darryl Thayer
Erika you are correct, the solar radiance can exceed STC by about 125%, any one who has spent any time with a pyrometer has observed this.  From experience's  continuously operated  circuits fail  fasted than  intermittent circuits.  for the temperature and conduit fill, they are valid of

Re: [RE-wrenches] windenergy7

2010-04-01 Thread Darryl Thayer
HI all my last posts have not shown, heres hoping. I have seen two of these installed on roofs.  I have and one of my students now a solar installer,(NABCEP) has been called to repair.  he moved the turbine and placed the turbine on a bergey tower, and it appears to perform like a XL0.1 (1kW)

Re: [RE-wrenches] Kohler Generator Issues

2010-03-29 Thread Darryl Thayer
Although the 48 volt output from the Cummings small gen is unusual, I like the Propane option, and perhaps it is suitable. It is small, 5 kW but also batteries last longer on a slow charge. It also has a controlled output to do battery charging. Darryl --- On Mon, 3/29/10, All Solar, Inc.

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