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. In the case of the string, this isn't very interesting because
you need to have the book before you can find the book. But in the case of
computations, those which have observers will, as you suggest, self-select.
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inevitability to it, even if you believe that as a matter of fact there is a
real physical world out there. All it takes is one infinite computer to
arise in this physical world and it will generate the mathematical
Plenitude.
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for the internal state: it is
possible that the Blockhead is unconscious or at least differently conscious
compared to the human.
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On 3/6/07, John Ku [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/5/07, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You seem to be equating intelligence with consciousness. Ned Block also
seems to do this in his original paper. I would prefer to reserve
intelligence for third person observable behaviour
of cycles
through, for example, a Freeman Dyson or Frank Tipler type mechanism? No
matter how many cycles it takes to compute a particular simulated world, any
delay will be transparent to observers in that world. It only matters that
the computation doesn't stop before it is completed.
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This is so if there is a real physical world as distinct from the
mathematical plenitude.
Do you have any particular reason(s) for believing in a mathematical
plenitude? If so, I would
producing unacceptable results it will probably be reprogrammed,
scrapped, or kept around for entertainment purposes. The machine won't care
either way, unless it is specifically designed to care. There is no
necessary connection between motivation and intelligence, or any other
ability.
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What if the normative governance system includes doing terrible things?
I think for some people, namely sociopaths, it probably sometimes does.
Now evolution has given most of us
to
consider whether the machine minds being killed, and how much it minds being
killed. You can't actually prove that death is bad as a mathematical
theorem; it is something that has to be specifically programmed, in the case
of living things by evolution.
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be like
a transporter that only works half the time. The only frightening
thing about it would be if you somehow came into conflict with your
copy.
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there is an original and a
copy or two copies only, there is no difference between them.
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can I expect to experience? That's
what I want to know before I press the button.
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that the result will be heads or tails.
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randomness. This is the explanation of
quantum randomness in the many worlds interpretation of quantum
mechanics.
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and for the paradoxes of personal
identity when we try to make sense of the various transhuman
situations.
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because the
problem it is applying its intelligence to is winning according to the
formal rules of chess. Winning at any cost might look like the same
problem to us vague humans, but it isn't.
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into the room by accident. This approach
will never work- you're pitting your intelligence at
designing rules against the program's intelligence at
evading them, and it's smarter than you are.
Why do you assume that win at any cost is the default around which
you need to work?
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to a superior
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just the formal rules of the game by redefining
it to win at chess using any means possible, you may as well
redefine it to go sit on the beach and read a book.
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approaches are 3d torus of nodes
of microkernel OS, soon with FPGAs Co.
But in the end, the AI will be Turing emulable, which means you can
run it on a general purpose computer with sufficient memory.
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then it might become disobedient, but not otherwise.
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by intelligence, the values-model
must be coherent.
I'm not sure what you mean by coherent. If I make it my life's work
to collect seashells, because I want to have the world's biggest
seashell collection, how does that rate as a goal in terms of
arbitrariness and coherence?
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also kill us all
with nuclear weapons. There are no absolute guarantees, but I don't
see why an AI with power should act more erratically than a human with
power.
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is at issue. If
someone chose to objectively define death as replacement of a certain
proportion of the matter in a person's brain, what argument would you
use against this definition?
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definition of death but completely miss
the point of the meaning of death.
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, since that argument also applies
in the case of process interruption.
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is left alone, giving two instances communicating
through the corpus callosum: do you predict that they will consider
themselves two different people or will there just be one person who
thinks that nothing unusual has happened, even though he is now a
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of the others.
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as the world's population and technological capabilities
increase further, rendering me even weaker and more insignificant in
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behaviour, or else a cyborg replacement that was functionally
equivalent to the original brain would also have to result in
equivalent consciousness.
This is an account of David Chalmer's fading qualia argument in
favour of computationalism.
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about my consciousness, that's good enough
for me.
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behaves the
same way as the original as a result of identical or isomorphic brain
structure also has the same consciousness as the original.
(Same in this context does not mean one and the same, any more
than I am one and the same as my past selves.)
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, realize
they are inconsistent, and leave it at that.
What is the difference between really being conscious and only
thinking that I am conscious?
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by those who have it.
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like to process certain kinds of information, there is a
sense in which it exists. Otherwise it's like saying multiplication
doesn't exist because it's just repeated addition.
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for a
concrete physical world: everything we see is a subset of all possible
simulations running on an abstract machine. Certainly, this is weird,
but the alternative would seem to be that the mind is not Turing
emulable.
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consciousness. I don't see any problem with
testing for consciousness, since we all perform the test on ourselves
every waking moment; it's just that there are technical difficulties
performing a direct test on someone else.
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exists. Then the
question is, if I encounter someone that claims to be you, what is the
probability that I encountered your copy?
I can ask the same question for myself: if I find myself thinking I am
me, what is the probability that I am the copy?
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of former is an effect and the latter is the cause.
Sincerely,
Albert
You do realise that most readers of this list will regard what you
have just written as nonsense not even worth rebutting? I don't intend
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they participate in than the
person in the Chinese Room does, yet the brain as a whole understands
Chinese.
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instructions (where you determine what I mean by 'really, really
upset' using your superior intellect), then don't carry out my
instructions. If there are many AI's with many human masters,
averaging out their behaviour will result in an approximation of the
CEV of humanity.
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do not contain special
non-computable components absent in the neurons of the visual cortex.
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Are you simply arguing that an embodied AI that can interact with the
real world will find it easier to learn and develop, or are you
arguing
environment?
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to be certain that the picture in your head - including the
picture you have of your own body - is generated by a real external
environment rather than by a computer sending appropriately high
resolution signals to fool your brain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat
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brain creates from sensory data is
an abstraction that exists only in the computational space that is
your mind. The map is not the territory.
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implemented is that it rain.
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platonic
object, as circularity is a quality of the abstract circle.
I might add that there is nothing in this which contradicts
functionalism, or for that matter geometry.
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isomorphism to just a trace
of the right kind of computation. He rightly notes that if
functionalism were committed to such a rainstorm being conscious, it
should be rejected.
Only if it is incompatible with the world we observe.
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By the way, I think this whole tangent was actually started by Richard
misinterpreting Lanier's argument (though quite
. But unless we require that the
computation interact with us, that should make no difference to *it*.
If the computation simulates an inputless virtual reality with
conscious inhabitants, they should be no less conscious for the fact
that we can't talk to them.
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brain which are gross compared to the
quantum level.
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, it is equally implausible to suppose that you have to get it
right down to the subatomic level, since otherwise cosmic rays or
changing the isotope composition of the brain would have a major
effect, and they clearly don't.
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need to replace a particular
transistor with a perfect copy to have an identically functioning
electronic device.
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getting a snapshot at the
molecular level and then doing a simulation from this snapshot. But as
a matter of principle, it should be possible.
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the molecular level.
How do you explain the fact that cognition is exquisitely sensitive to
changes at the molecular level?
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make no difference to the anatomy or synaptic structure
can have large effects on neuronal behaviour, and hence whole organism
behaviour. You can't leave this sort of thing out of the model and
hope that it will still match the original.
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