Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Penguin
Hmm, now I am not sure what to do ;) I haven't moved away from Debian, just thinking about it. I am very particular about a nice tight base system, and just installing the stuff I want, apart from KDE. The thing with Debian is that it sucks majorly for modern PCs. I have an nVidia GeForce II

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Karl Clements
You have an isdn to your work station? if so why not throw up an old 486 with a distro you know and trust setup to do nat and firewalling and run what ever you like on your work station, that way your ws wont be slowed down if some smart arse decides to (d)dos you. -- Karl Clements Everyone

RE: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Stephan Borg
Just for the record, I currently have Redhat 7.x and a GeForce II AGP card working fine. You have to download the drivers from the Nvidia site for your distro version and/or compile them. Rgds, Stephan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Penguin
Yeah I will be having ISDN 128K installed next week, and this is the reason I'm getting more paranoid. Several people I trust who know a lot about Linux and stuff have suggested exactly what you do, to use an old 486 as a firewall. What's NAT? Why do I need it? Yeppers I'm convinced I will be

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Andre Pang
On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 07:31:23PM +1100, Penguin wrote: Well, what I mean is that I need XFree 4.0.1 or higher, and when I try to install these required XFree things at 4.1, it never works! I asked several times if I had to install in a particular order, and it still says I can't do it.

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Karl Clements
NAT would allow the work station to access the internet through the 486, look up howto's on IPMASQUERADING As for the setup there are a few ways you could do it, you can plug the 486 and the workstation into the hub as well as the on ramp. you could put 2 NIC's in the 486 and plug the onramp

[SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread James
If it was too long for the subject line: Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation I will be having an on-ramp (home highway) thingie for 128K ISDN installed next week, and several have suggested I have my old 486 (66MHz/20MB RAM) as a dedicated firewall + NAT, with say an ethernet plug

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Andre Pang
On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 12:38:41PM +1100, Alan Vink wrote: It is important to understand what you are doing when using any distro, with the more efficient or modern as someone called it distros - it is possible for people that do not understand to go wild and install services and apps with

Re: XFree 4 and Debian [Was: Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?]

2002-01-05 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Sat, 2002-01-05 at 19:31, Penguin wrote: I haven't moved away from Debian, just thinking about it. I am very particular about a nice tight base system, and just installing the stuff I want, apart from KDE. The thing with Debian is that it sucks majorly for modern PCs. I have an nVidia

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Karl Clements Look at the number of idiot computer users windows and mac has given the world? People who don't give a shit. They're not idiots, they just don't care. Linux is not intended as a desktop os, sure the desktop has come a long way, but its not there yet. Most of the

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Andre Pang
On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 08:54:37PM +1100, Karl Clements wrote: Look at the number of idiot computer users windows and mac has given the world? Well, look at the idiotic number of mechanics that cars have given to the world. I don't know a carborator from a cylinder. I reckon I drive alright,

[SLUG] A frees/wan question

2002-01-05 Thread Howard Lowndes
I am setting up Frees/wan IPSec tunnels between two sites that both have dynamic IPs. I can get both sites to do a dynamic DNS update (both forward and reverse) to a DNS server with a static IP before I need the tunnels to come up. At the left end, basically the listening end, I have no

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Andre Pang I don't know a carborator from a cylinder. I reckon I drive alright, although. I can't even spell it! Ask me to spell carburettor! Go on... See? Couldn't resist. :) - Jeff -- No clue is good clue. -- SLUG -

Re: [SLUG] bubblefishymon

2002-01-05 Thread Michael Lake
Jeff Waugh wrote: Run tasksel to install large chunks of related packages in Debian. Oh thankyou, thankyou. Another small Debian pearl falls from the bearer of Debian knowledge and lore. Plucked from the ground amid the chaff of bubblefishmon, I man tasksel as the wise walk in front of me.

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Ken Foskey
On Sat, 2002-01-05 at 19:55, Penguin wrote: Yeah I will be having ISDN 128K installed next week, and this is the reason I'm getting more paranoid. Several people I trust who know a lot about Linux and stuff have suggested exactly what you do, to use an old 486 as a firewall. What's NAT?

Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???

2002-01-05 Thread Grant Parnell
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Michael Sztachanski wrote: FYI, an running MYOB Premier 4.5+ at a clients premises. The Head Office (Syd) has 5 accounts people, with another 2 connect via VPN from Melb., with another 2 from Qld via VPN as well. Clients are M$ W98. File Server: Turbolinux 6.5

Re: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread Grant Parnell
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, James wrote: If it was too long for the subject line: Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation I will be having an on-ramp (home highway) thingie for 128K ISDN installed next week, and several have suggested I have my old 486 (66MHz/20MB RAM) as a dedicated

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Dane
Bah you all whinge too much. snip On 0, Karl Clements [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the number of idiot computer users windows and mac has given the world? /snip I thank the lord every day for this. Its idiots such as these that, to some extent, keep us all gainfully employed in often

Re: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread Ken Foskey
On Sat, 2002-01-05 at 20:27, James wrote: If it was too long for the subject line: Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation On your side of the firewall you have a private network. There is an RFC defining this but it is either 10.?.?.? or 192.168.0.? (172 as well from memory).

Re: [SLUG] bubblefishymon

2002-01-05 Thread Dane
*vomit* On 0, Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: Run tasksel to install large chunks of related packages in Debian. Oh thankyou, thankyou. Another small Debian pearl falls from the bearer of Debian knowledge and lore. Plucked from the ground amid the chaff of

RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???

2002-01-05 Thread Steven Evans
Could you make the reply to this post public for all of us to see. All the research done on this topic on google comes up with one response: myob has left a bug in their product to stop multiple users (1 is ok, 1 is bad and reduce to crawl) from using linux as the file server of their .prm

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Pete Ryland
On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 08:54:37PM +1100, Karl Clements wrote: Look at the number of idiot computer users windows and mac has given the world? ... until that happens linux belongs as a server, or as a desktop for someone with half a clue. This raises an interesting point. Think of the last

Re: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread Crossfire
Grant Parnell was once rumoured to have said: On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, James wrote: Is there any good beginners documentation on doing this? Can someone advise me on what is the best setup, coax them together, ethernet or what? A Hub? Do I need a static IP? Is it best to have a static IP? I

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Karl Clements
reply who=Jeff Waugh date=Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:15:06 +1100 quote who=Karl Clements Look at the number of idiot computer users windows and mac has given the world? People who don't give a shit. They're not idiots, they just don't care. Linux is not intended as a desktop os, sure the

Re: [SLUG] A frees/wan question

2002-01-05 Thread John Ferlito
On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 09:21:03PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: It makes sense to me that that should work, after all it uses the DNS to get the KEY record so why not the A record, but it is not valid. I was wondering if opportunistic keying might be the answer, but apart from having

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Karl Clements
reply who=Dane date=Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:56:08 +1100 Bah you all whinge too much. snip On 0, Karl Clements [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the number of idiot computer users windows and mac has given the world? /snip I thank the lord every day for this. Its idiots such as these that,

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Karl Clements What would a complete reworking of X to make it more efficient do? it could perhaps improve the speed of x, improve configurability, better config files, improve ease of use etc etc Throw away years of work, optimisation, understanding of the protocol, and platform

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Pete Ryland
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 12:54:20AM +1100, Karl Clements wrote: reply who=Andre Pang date=Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:19:20 +1100 ... What were you doing on KDE that was so much slower? KMail was slow? Konqueror? I don't believe that KDE is that much slower than Win2K given the same hardware (or

Re: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread Crossfire
Crossfire was once rumoured to have said: plug ijolt can be downloaded from http://kitsumi.cowspiracy.org/ijolt.tgz /plug Uh, that should be http://kitsumi.cowspiracy.org/ijolt-0.1.tgz Whoops. C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was

Re: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread Howard Lowndes
A 486 will NOT handle ISDN, it just doesn't have the balls for the job. Believe me I tried, and had Guy Ellis (greetz) at Traverse Technologies (I was using their NetJet card) look at my problem (my site was only just up the road from their place). We discovered framing errors and data loss big

[SLUG] Strange FTP problem

2002-01-05 Thread Harry Ohlsen
I'm trying to transfer a large-ish file (around 40MB) between two machines, one running Redhat 7.1 and the other running 7.2, via FTP. For some reason, it seems to hang after around 140kb have been transferred. The file is on an NFS mount and trying to just copy it between the file systems

Re: [SLUG] GPL, an argument .

2002-01-05 Thread Jean-Francois Dive
mm souds interesting :)) On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Jean-Francois Dive becoming an industry standard for that area (ala apache, bind, etc..), what will happens to company selling and producing the same type of product ? ... Then you have a lucrative software and

Re: [SLUG] Strange FTP problem

2002-01-05 Thread Howard Lowndes
It could also be a problem with a conflict between a VIA chipset and a Realtak 8139 NIC (especially an early one). I had a similar problem and had to change the NIC. On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Jean-Francois Dive wrote: Definitively, the problem is not linked to FTP then if the transfert between the

Re: [SLUG] Strange FTP problem

2002-01-05 Thread Harry Ohlsen
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 06:52, Jean-Francois Dive wrote: Definitively, the problem is not linked to FTP then if the transfert between the 2 NFS point is the problem. This could be the setup of the nfs mount and an issue with the block size, or an MTU problem on the path. How are the 2 peers

Re: [SLUG] Strange FTP problem

2002-01-05 Thread Harry Ohlsen
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:09, Howard Lowndes wrote: It could also be a problem with a conflict between a VIA chipset and a Realtak 8139 NIC (especially an early one). I had a similar problem and had to change the NIC. Sorry, I should have given some more details. I didn't realise the hardware

[SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread Doug Foskey
I am a country user. I approached Telstra re ISDN, but unfortunately the service was not available on our (small) exchange. My question for others, however is: Who in the major providers, will do DOV, as when I spoke to them, no-one knew anything about it. (The small providers are too

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Christopher Booth
About the KDE issue, He was probably using XFree86 4 when it first came out and KDE1.1 or something. This was about the time of Mandrake 7 which was very slow using KDE as well. Using a more modern version of both XFree86 and KDE would be a much more rewarding experience. Chris On Sun, 6

Re: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread David Fitch
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 12:56:53AM +1100, Crossfire wrote: If you don't plan to use voice at all on the line, check to see if you can get a standard NT1 at lesser cost against the NT1-Plus. you can't with the ORHH (now called ISDN Home by the way as from 1st Jan, prices are a fraction cheaper

Re: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread David Fitch
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:24:56AM +1100, Doug Foskey wrote: I am a country user. I approached Telstra re ISDN, but unfortunately the service was not available on our (small) exchange. My question for others, however is: Who in the major providers, will do DOV, as when I spoke to them,

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Karl Clements
reply who=Christopher Booth date=Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:44:01 +1100 About the KDE issue, He was probably using XFree86 4 when it first came out and KDE1.1 or something. This was about the time of Mandrake 7 which was very slow using KDE as well. Using a more modern version of both XFree86 and

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Karl Clements
I can't believe you tried compiling mozilla from source! Gutsy move. Mozilla, IMO, is a very good graphical browser. Not to say that Konqueror isn't too - I just don't use it regularly, so can't comment. Anyway, I'd recommend installing mozilla from a binary package. I did more than try,

Re: [SLUG] Strange FTP problem

2002-01-05 Thread Harry Ohlsen
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:12, Harry Ohlsen wrote: By the way, I just realised I have a spare IBM 10/100 PCMCIA ethernet adapter hanging around, so I might try that one, to try to get some hard evidence that it's the Xircom card. I just tend to use it because it doesn't require a dongle. It's

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Dane
In addition to the previously mentioned problems i haven't found a decent browser for X as yet, i compiled mozilla it didn't install to where i told it to, i compiled skipstone once it was installed it didn't run at all (gtkmozembed error) opera was dodgey, netscape was hella slow. Karl I

[SLUG] Re: [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread Kevin Saenz
It depends on the kernel version. My assumption is that you would be using kernel 2.2, compiling kernel 2.4 might take a little while. If you need information on IPChains then go to either linux.org or linux.com to the howto area and look for IPChains howto. If by anychance you get kernel 2.4 on

Re: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread DaZZa
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Doug Foskey wrote: You others are so lucky in the cities! ( unfortunately I can see the services not improving much in the country in the long term) Oh, come on now! Country services are just fine, thank you very much. And good old Telstra is spending millions of

[SLUG] Re: A frees/wan question

2002-01-05 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{Howard Lowndes} I am setting up Frees/wan IPSec tunnels between two sites that both have dynamic IPs. I can get both sites to do a dynamic DNS update (both forward and reverse) to a DNS server with a static IP before I need the tunnels to come up. At the left end, basically the

RE: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread Bernhard Lüder
You could have a look at FLOPPY FIREWALL, which is a Linux distro on one floppy, that will do the job without hard disk and minimal system resources. http://www.zelow.no/floppyfw/ Bernhard Lüder This electronic mail is solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is

RE: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread Bernhard Lüder
And of course www.everythinglinux.com.au can help you with an ISDN NTU, that is guaranteed to work under Linux. Bernhard Lüder This electronic mail is solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you receive this electronic mail in

Re: [SLUG] [OT] Internet --- 486 firewall NAT --- Workstation

2002-01-05 Thread Richard Luckhurst
Hi Take a look at Nobbys Net. http://www.nobbys.net.au They have just started offering DOV in rural NSW. The guy who owns the business Ken Kirkby is pretty good at getting rural solutions working. They also have a reasonable price on satellite. Regards Richard Luckhurst - Original Message

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Pete Ryland
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 10:19:12AM +1100, Karl Clements wrote: You could get mozilla to automatically launch when you log in. This is what I do (and, incidentally, what mswindows does behind your back). How does one do this? I've been using window maker with gnome lately, and both of

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Karl Clements wrote: Look at the number of idiot computer users windows and mac has given the world? Look at the number of moron drivers $car_manufacturer has given the world! Who cares? Linux is not intended as a desktop os, sure the desktop has come a long way,

Re: [SLUG] Slackware anybody?

2002-01-05 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Karl Clements wrote: this is true, it can just be highly annoying getting a call from someone who can't work out how to check their email. Welcome to the real world, buddy. 2k ran better on this than slack8 with kde, although that was easy fixed with a change of

Re: [SLUG] bubblefishymon

2002-01-05 Thread Heracles
On Saturday 05 January 2002 22:13, Michael Lake wrote: Oh thankyou, thankyou. Another small Debian pearl falls from the bearer of Debian knowledge and lore. Plucked from the ground amid the chaff of bubblefishmon, I man tasksel as the wise walk in front of me. Yay, verily there is a man page,

Re: [SLUG] bubblefishymon

2002-01-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Heracles Unfortunately for most of us, those with the Secret knowledge of the Debian prefer to keep it hidden as much as possible, only occasionally passing on the crumbs to accolites. They prefer to refer to the FM. That is a fetid pile of blinkered bollocks. Why do you think

[SLUG] Re {SLUG]Not so Magic TVView and Misc Mouse query and Linux forLawyers/Lawyers for Linux

2002-01-05 Thread Raena Lea-Shannon
I hope someone can help on this(ese). 1. (out of 3) I am running Linux on the SuSE 7.3 distro install. (BTW for a newbie the SuSE install is pretty slick. Previously I had istalled RH 7.1. I found this very educational and learnt how to partition using fips, and install a dual boot. Then my el

Re: [SLUG] help for script

2002-01-05 Thread Andy Eager
Bernhard Lüder wrote: Hi, I need to convert 2 lines of data to one. This is the data I can extract from the data base: FIXEDdata1,Flexibledata1,Neededdata1 FIXEDdata1,Flexibledata2,Flexibledata3,Flexibledata4,Flexibledata5,Flexibled ata6,Flexibledata7,Neededdata2,Neededdata3,Flexibledata8

RE: [SLUG] Re {SLUG]Not so Magic TVView and Misc Mouse query and Linux for Lawyers/Lawyers for Linux

2002-01-05 Thread Stephan Borg
Ok, I think I can help on items 2 3. (2) The mouse config, under Redhat (and hopefully) Suse is /etc/sysconfig/mouse. In there, you should find a line and change it to: XEMU3=yes I would assume, you'll need to restart the gpm server (/etc/init.d/gpm restart) (3) Yeah, keep me posted on your