Re: omitting closets in small building

The section say's you can omit them from the calc (They still must be installed) when the design area exceeds the Minimum (1500 SF). You don't meet or exceed the Min. therefore you must include them in your calc as well as install them. You've been kicked back to 14.4.4.4.

Re: Storage Containers

"Air Tight" which could add to the discussion, as far as if a fire could grow inside them. Or If a fire outside could penetrate to the contents in any reasonable time. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926

Re: pre-primed foam system.

Have you considered High-X foam if your water supply is challenged? Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Todd Williams - FPDC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Mon

Re: rubber hose for air compressor

"Exposed" and possibility of Mechanical damage. Me, as long as our AHJ's will accept the braided Hydraulic hose we'll keep using it. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message -

Re: rubber hose for air compressor

f the compressor, and we have not seen any failures in this product, or at either connection. Usually we hard pipe from the compressor to the AMD and then run the hose from the AMD to the DPV. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 97

Re: rubber hose for air compressor

tial movement, well so is vibration. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Roland Huggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:54 AM Subject

Re: Restraint of Drops

This would also seem to limit the use of the approved connections of theAmerican Plywood Assoc. APA for composite wood joist construction. http://www.apawood.org/level_c.cfm?content=pub_searchresults&pK=Sprinkler%20Installation&pT=Yes&pD=Yes&pF=Yes&CFID=6816509&CFTOKE

Re: Arm over Calculations

of our own tenant fit outs that it just stated making sense. If your not in the original remote area, and that area has already been tenant occupied get a set of those calc's and see what they required. If you are in the remote area, do the calc. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Rid

Re: residential heads in a 13 system

Of f the top of my head we're currently doing 8 projects of type V construction. This is far more common than most people think. (Mostly mixed use) 3000sf design on one floor, 4 head Res. on the next. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel

Re: RFI's

AIA G-716 (2004) Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Brian Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: RFI's

Re: residential heads in a 13 system

Roland: If the Committee is considering changes to the Res. / 3000 Sf application area, would that come as a TIA to the 2007, or wait for the next full cycle? I was talking to another committee member that thought it would move pretty fast, to correct what they saw as a flaw. Thom McMahon

Re: rust remover

http://www.gemplers.com/search/Rust+Converter We've used this on large flanged fittings, and it works pretty well. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Jamie Seid

NFPA World Las Vegas

Just a few of the recent topic's of this forum that will be presented at NFPA World. Fire test for compact mobile shelving systems Sprinkler activation with low speed high volume fans (AKA Big Ass Fans) And many other fun choices for inquiring minds. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 C

Re: Parking Garage Sprinkler System /FDT program

FDT is the base program for the Quell systems and the accuracy is right on! (Tyco put a lot into this programs development, and studied a lot of existing systems and ran comparisons to actual.) Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952

Re: Parking Garage Sprinkler System ***

Reza: As Ron points out the FDT program is expensive, but you may actually save the cost of the program in this one installation if you can reduce from 4 dry systems to just 2. We all need tools to do what we do and FDT is just another tool. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr

Re: Hose allowance on 13-R systems

erior hose allowance, especially if you have a combination standpipe. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "John O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thu

Re: 13 residential obstructions

There was also an article in FPC mag. and I believe it was also in sprinkler age on the effect of ceiling fans on water distribution. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "

Re: 13 residential obstructions

tween your soffits, probably a HSW you can meet the obstructions because your deflector is even with the bottom of the soffits so your spray will cover under the obstructions. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926

Re: Interior chair lift

x27;t say what to do with elevators in homes. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Karen Purvis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:39 PM Subjec

Re: Fire sprinkler question

n the street from a new one lately?) So maybe we should be asking our customers how long they want it to last. I think in most cases the answer will be "Until I sell it". Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926

Re: Fire sprinkler question

lling to bet that while there were some very bad water source's early in this century, that today pollution is far more wide spread. And lets not forget our little genie in the bottle nuclear waster. Hard to nail down a source when there are so many possibilities. Thom McMahon Firetech, In

Re: It just never stops

Go to Google Earth, Have Kinko's print out a 24x36 of the area, and insert a sign off location for all those people. I bet it costs less than going to Sacramento. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Ori

Re: MIC

anything like that, or does that also depend upon the specific microbe? Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "George Church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, Janua

Re: OSU

pped doing inspections, but I still think the training was worth while. Everyone is different, but if I did it again I'd send my best guy first, and see if he thinks its worth it for others. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fa

Re: Re[2]: When a Spec is a Spec...

. If we're busy we just use the data to size it and if we get the job so much the better, extra money in our pocket. Yes we are still working with the goal not to become a "Non-Profit" Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-79

Re: Pipe life

and socket type fitting the most corrosion resistant? What we really need is a RLS (Relative Life Span) table that addresses the types of pipe and the joining method's we use today. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-79

Re: When a Spec is a Spec...

different. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Todd Williams - FPDC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:53 AM Subject: Re: When a Spec i

Re: When a Spec is a Spec...

The other one I really like is when they say "Materials shall be as specified in Div. 15010". You may see this as "Confrontational" but I'd rather be in his face before we bid than after we get the project, and I need a lawyer to argue for me. Sometimes it's ju

Re: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix

ip any possible issue's with 2002. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Jeff Hewitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:45 PM Subject:

Re: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix

will accept the new Standard if presented as an alternate. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Kurt Kingston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008

Re: NFPA 13, 2002 A.3.7.1 (4)

We currently are doing a panel construction parking structure under a mixed use building, and are relying on the fire proofing to fill those voids. The spray on application generally does a pretty good job. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel

Re: Combustible ductwork, below slab ????

Off the top of my head (6'-2"+) I'd say a pilot line deluge system, similar to a covered conveyor system. But hey that's just me. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message

Re: Calculation Programs

Don't forget that as of Jan 1, 2008 computer generated hydraulic reports shall be as per NFPA 13, 2007 22.3.5. So while not requiring a listing for hydraulic programs, NFPA 13 does require a specific minimum format and order. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Sp

Re: Re[2]: Underground Supply.

sleeved bore. The boring machine was driven off course by the large boulders under the road bed, and we eventually abandoned this method, ended up digging up two city blocks of sidewalk (Vs. the 80LF across the Hwy.) to connect to another city main in a side street. All of our water mains are

Re: Star model BB Exhauster

the system into two smaller systems to avoid the delivery time issue entirely. Good Luck! Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Charles Thurston" <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Cow barns

requirement, EH seems a bid of over kill. What is the replacement value of the building? The cows? The hay? Product interruption? If these are not very high costs, an excessive system may not be in the owner best interest. Ask the insurance underwriter, he's insuring all this value. Thom Mc

Re: Planetarium ceilings

e of the cover plate does move star HGF-3752-1 one million light years out of position, will it even be noticeable to the unaided human eye? Planetariums give the visual "Effect" of standing in place an looking out into space, not the reality. My 2 cents and worth about 1/2 of that

Re: fdc loop

d for some suppression, but not to support the standpipe. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Greg McGahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008

Re: Testing of Dry Manual Standpipes

se in testing Dry Manual standpipes? Thanks for any help Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org

Re: Buried FDC Line Depth of Cover

yer, ice may form and restrict flow, when water is introduced into the system. ) Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Randy Knutson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday

Re: Hose valves at roof top

See Croker 6641 or 6642, Potter Roemer 5850 or 5852 or other mfg. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Dewayne Martinez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, D

Re: Room Design

If they just weren't so few and far up north. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Mark Sornsin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 200

Eisenhower executive office building fire

Another unsprinklered federal office building? Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http

Re: Hibachi hoods and sprinklers

The Mechanical code OSHA and Health dept. set limits on the temp. under these hoods. Typically about 100'F with occasional 120'F. Hood chem systems still tend to use 212'F release links, unless there is a lot of open flame. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamb

Re: Gridded pre-action and dry

at 1 in 3 occur the water supply will arrive much faster since the source is now much closer to the operating area. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Ed Vining" <[

Re: Sprinklers Under Deck

Also always consider this, When the weather gets bad they'll move the Bar-BQ grill under that deck on the patio and keep on grilling. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: &q

Re: Exhaust Insulation

and shield assemblies make it more user friendly than rock-wool where you can have "Hot Hangers". Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Frans Stoop" <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: CPVC for Lunch

MIC the tiny rat's of steel pipe! Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "John Drucker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:26 AM

Re: Design Area and Density

application area are made without adjustment to the density) Also chapter 21 gives specific area/density designs for specific application's which should always be reviewed for appropriateness. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax

Re: Re[2]: paint spray booths

We've done Auto Spray booths with High Velocity round ducts on the exhaust using Flex heads duct mate product and had very good success and fit. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Me

Re: ESFR Pressure Anomaly

us shouldn't wait for it to be "Code" before we adopt good practices. So before you climb up that curve, ask yourself "Do Ya Feel Lucky?" Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Ori

Re: Sprinkler system serving two different buildings

Didn't Roland hit on this subject at AFSA PX and say something like the building had to be "Auxiliary" to the main building. Something like a pump house or such. Roland feel free to chime in any time? Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 8048

Re: Wow - Info

e domestic as well as the sprinklers are required to be supervised. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Chris Cahill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November

Re: Wow - Info- Three kids dead, mom in hospital in OH fire

tell if its working?) Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "John Drucker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: RE: Wow - Info-

Re: Carpet Storage

The minimum Psi used to be 10Psi for storage occupancies with the ELO 231. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Joe Burtell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tues

Re: Carpet Storage

Looks like they dropped the 10 Psi requirement, last seen in 2-01 cut sheets. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Joe Burtell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: T

Re: "Split-Ring Pipe Hangers"(NFPA13)

d be very interesting to understand how their testing differs from NFPA 13's. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Bill Minkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent:

Re: 13 vs 13R; 101 Referee

dditional heads requested by the Arch. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Greg McGahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:36 PM Subj

Re: 13 vs 13R; 101 Referee

Oh the under 21 age group, if I remember right the second highest at risk group in a fire after the over 55 age group. Yeah they're fast when they are not impaired, but with that age group just being a teenager could very well be the only impairment you'd need to consider. Th

Fw: 13 vs 13R; 101 Referee

Oops 8.15.8.1.2 Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Thom McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:14 PM Subject: Re: 13 vs 13R; 10

Re: 13 vs 13R; 101 Referee

NFPA 2007 8.15.1.2 Sprinklers shall be required in bathrooms of limited care facilities and nursing homes as defined in NFPA 101. Pretty clear that you should be doing it. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926

Re: Re[2]: Its Friday and I am a sprinkler man

Anything less than 21' deep and all he needs is a length of 1" to suck air thru. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Dennis Browning" <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Vertical Change in ceiling height

wide that head could protect the entire area under those risers. (Depending upon occupancy and spacing, head type ect.) Your next head would be in the highest ceiling. There are so many variables, that you'll need to check very carefully before you try to apply this, and skip heads in the

Re: Light Hazard with sprinklers at 5' by 10'.

some time educating him/her. You'll probably end up around 250 Gpm total for 30 heads. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "A.P.Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Split-Ring Hanger

these split rings is actually 900 Lbs -250=650/5 = 130 Lbs actual load for the water filled pipe. Even 11/4" LW pipe is only about 2.2 Lbs per LF water filled. You may wish to check with some engineering library for the MSS standards, and verify that they do indeed use 5x as a safe

Re: Seismic Bracing/Drops

Your ceiling still has to meet ASTM C 635 and be installed in accordance with ASTM C 636. Check out the part (9.2.1.3.3.3) where Flees hoses were limited to 6' or less than 6', otherwise you have to put a hanger on it. And we're not even talking seismic yet. Thom McMahon Fire

Re: Split-Ring Hanger

rger) Hilti will come and do a test pull for you, before you order 2000 pieces and find you need 3" into concrete to meet load vs 11/2" (Other fine brands sold by associate members may also perform satisfactorily) Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 8

Re: Seismic Bracing/Drops

it, if un restrained. I don't believe that the committee, considered drops this long attached to "Flex Heads" up to 5'-0" long when they were considering restraint requirements. Might make a good proposal. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Ste

Re: Split-Ring Hanger

Not with a quick bolt, but with HILTI studs shot into concrete. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Bill Minkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, Novemb

Re: Seismic Bracing/Drops

be a superior solution, and potentially a lower cost means to meet the requirements. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Bobby Gillett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Clean room sprinkler heads w/ covers

I told you about the heads we found with caulked on cover plates 2" below the cup didn't I? Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "George Church" <[EMAIL

Re: water flow test

Colorado requires 10 PSI or 10% (Which ever is less) safety factor for all calc's except 13D systems. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Chris Cahill" <[EMA

Re: Clean room sprinkler heads w/ covers

Actually many of these applications are such that were this option not available they would opt. to leave out protection, or have to install an expensive alternative system. This choice is usually made by the Arch/owner's rep. not the Sprinkler guy. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 C

Re: Need Help fast

Also the ICC evaluation service report on window sprinklers is available on line, but I'm not sure if your required to be a member to access it. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Me

Re: Re[2]: hanger specs

If plumbers are registered or lic. in Pa maybe you could have the Rotorooter guy sign off? Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "George Church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Residental Sidewall Soffit Obstruction

o not provide sprinklers under wall hung cabinets (Kitchen cabinets) Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Richard Mote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday

Re: Residental Sidewall Soffit Obstruction

as an obstruction to a spray pattern from a sidewall on the opposite wall. If this is the case, I guess we also have to consider the wall as an obstruction to the spray pattern. Must be a rule for this somewhere. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] O

Re: Residental Sidewall Soffit Obstruction

en that condition is not present. If a soffit is low enough for the spray from a HSW to hit it, it will prevent wall wetting, and disrupt the development of the spray pattern that would be developed if it were not present. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO

Re: Residental Sidewall Soffit Obstruction

n you will have to meet the rules of Table 8.10.7.1.3 "Positioning of sprinklers to avoid obstructions (residential sidewall sprinklers) This is as directed 8.10.7.1.3 for obstructions more than 8'-0" from the sprinkler. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steambo

Re: Residental Sidewall Soffit Obstruction

l have to meet the rules of Table 8.10.7.1.3 "Positioning of sprinklers to avoid obstructions (residential sidewall sprinklers) This is as directed 8.10.7.1.3 for obstructions more than 8'-0" from the sprinkler. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Spring

Re: (no subject)

I don't believe that any of the major MFG have one you'll probably have to build your own by-pass with a 3/4" DCV and Meter around the 11/2" DCV. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 --

Re: 13-R Anti freeze conversions/ new question

Yes they do! The Fire X trol line is both UL and asme compliant. (If you have attended the AFSA convention in Phoenix, you should have received or will shortly receive the CD for sizing , listing and product selection) For those not in attendance look on line. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560

Re: [NJFireSafety] Sprinklers Save Resident Hall

John: I believe that NJ is one of the states that enacted Dorm sprinkler requirements after the Seton Hall Fire. Is that correct? Do you know how many other states have enacted similar ordinances? Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879

Re: Quell

George can tell ya but then as per the TYCO agreement he'd have to Kill ya. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Chris Cahill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Se

Re: 13-R Anti freeze conversions/ new question

quirement to do this but we have always felt the this is protection for the "Main Route of Egress" which only makes sense if your entire system is only to provide enough time for the occupants to safely leave the home. What have others been doing and why? Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc.

Re: in or outside dwelling unit? Take 2

At .5 density I think you've reached the bottom of the flow switch range anyway, so it probably won't alarm. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Ken H

Re: CPVC in Combustible Space with Insulation

ethods to reduce the pipe exposure temperatures. These pipe and fittings are not intended to be installed in outdoor applications." This would be similar to installing CPVC in a flat roof made of TJI's, and filled with Insul. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamb

Re: in or outside dwelling unit?

Come on G: They still let you bid work. That's the contractors equivalent of "Fear Factor" everything else we do is just to see how good we guess. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - O

Re: in or outside dwelling unit?

G: We haven't been able to get a .005 density out of Res. heads for several years now, since they made everyone go to 0.05. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Geo

Re: Vertical mesh wall

If you have to chose between the two, use the spacing as if the wall were solid, and ask to install a baffle from the top of the wall down 2'-0" to stop the cold solder. If visibility is an issue use a clear element for the baffle such as glass or poly carbonate sheets. Thom McMaho

Re: Plastic cure times

(Most AHJ's don't allow the heads to be added as a retrofit, with a 1/2" nipple to a 1x1/2 ell or such, they rightly believe that if the area was always intended to have a tenant fit out with the possibilities of a lower ceiling then that should have been allowed for in the origin

Re: strainer curve

Wilkins , Watts, Armstrong, Victaulic and others Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Todd Williams - FPDC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 1

Re: 13R Pumps

George: Sorry no experience with 13R Fire Pumps, I know TALCO advertises them, but we've never had a need for one. On their 13D pumps they have always given us what we wanted regardless of if it was "Stock" or "Standard", which ours usually aren't. Thom McMa

Re: Polyester film

fire if it starts low. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: RE: Polyester film Polyester fil

Re: converting to antifreeze

Tom: www.misco.com makes digital refractor to read both. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Tom Duross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October

Re: Gauges on both sides of a system check

Chris: I believe that this is also to verify the pressure drop across a BFP device where it is used as the riser check with the requirement for full forward flow test connection, if the gauges are any good you could read the pressure drop. (13 committee members help?) Thom McMahon Firetech

Re: Double-check and RPs

front of the RPZ, then the spike hits a closed valve and goes elsewhere, much larger pressure loss than either a single check or double check assembly, but the big advantage is "Set it and Forget it" if it saves just one 90 min. drive its worth it. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Coppe

Re: Double-check vs RPs

the final solution was? If my memory hasn't gone entirely, I think they just gave the property owners a time extension, not an exemption. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - Fr

Re: Double-check vs RPs

ted to the "War On TERROR!" I can't see any lessen of the protection of the nations water supply no matter what the statistic's are, or say. We must be afraid, we must be very afraid. (Especially if it sells more backflow prevetors.) Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper

Re: Double-check vs RPs

ably will. Once again you need to "Educate your Owner" its a never ending job, but still a very important part of our business. They don't have to like it, but if they understand the under lying reasons, it may soften the financial blow. Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper

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