at
12'-6 as indicated in NFPA-13 for storage bays at 25 feet spacing in lieu of
the 12 feet as indicated in NFPA-409?
Thanks,
Ray Vance - SET
Chief Sales Designer
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
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experiences
with this particular scenario.
Thanks,
Ray Vance - SET
Chief Sales Designer
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
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construction features or other site conditions are such that to
avoid running thru these spaces is so much more costly, we do, at times, choose
to battle the we do not want it mentality.
You certainly want to pick and choose your battles carefully ;-)
Ray Vance - SET
Chief Sales Designer
Wayne Automatic
then not be required.
Someone please correct me, if I am wrong ;-)
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Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
407-877-5563 office
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and AWESOME day!
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Mine are 1899 Grinnell. Also have early 1900's glass grenades from KillFyre
with mounting brackets / hammers.
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Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers
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coming from my blackberry.
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Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
(407) 877-5563 office
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NO!
Travis, the formula is (A/6)-B
A is the depth of the joist and B is the spacing between the joist.
It is very accurate up to 2 1/2 pipe and reasonably accurate for 3 and 4
Ray Vance - SET
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers
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Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:28 PM
To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org'
Subject: Re: piping through joist
NO!
Travis, the formula is (A/6)-B
A is the depth of the joist and B is the spacing between
Rooms housing emergengy generators and diesel fire pump rooms should be
protected as EH1, per NFPA-37, Internal Combustion Engines standard.
Ray Vance - SET
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Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
(407) 877-5563 office
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indicate. It is entirely
possible the flow test you are referencing is also incorrect or was not
performed properly.
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Chief Sales Designer
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www.waynefire.com
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to be stored?
I am leaning towards NFPA-30 Flammable and Combustible Liquids to begin my
analysis, but would like the opinions of anyone who has had experience with
this process.
Thanks in advance,
Ray Vance -SET
Chief Sales Designer
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
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is definitely lacking in sufficient detail to
determine an adequate direction.
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www.waynefire.com
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not be required to have sprinkler protection since
it is less than 4ft wide and I am presuming no combustibles are stored or
handled beneath it.
Ray Vance - SET
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
(407) 877-5563 office
(321) 436-2184 cell
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voice) a Concentric Vertical Birdcage piping system ;-)
He was S impressed, he took the rest of the day off and went for coffee...
Said his head was hurting, or something to that effect.
OK, no more post from me today ;-)
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc
caveat that comes into play are any other specific requirements
or allowances for spacing in high-piled storage arrangements, such as in-rack
sprinklers, etc.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
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, the AHJ has
the final approving authority on the method utilized, the sprinkler system
credit, etc.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
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was the unsprinklered 50k sqft addressed at that time?
Maybe we can get a better determination of the actual conditions you are
dealing with and a more definitive number than ALL or NONE in the fire flow
calculation process with a little more information from which to work.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering
the fire area, you must compound the multipliers.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
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more thought process and understanding of the function of the FDC
connection and its purpose, the whole point of Where to tie it in, What size
it needs to be, Why tie-in only on feed or cross-mains, etc, becomes a much
clearer picture.
One final thought... Is is quitting time yet ;-)
Ray Vance
on the
downside of 150 psi at the FDC.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fires Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
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of non-ferrous piping feeding a
backflow preventer, is this written in their local code?
I am sure it isn't part of an NFPA requirement anywhere.
Correct me if I am wrong, fellow forumites!
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:02 AM
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Subject: RE: Backflow device and steel pipe
Ray,
To answer your questions:
(1) This water purveyor, along with
.
If the area is more than 36 in height then you can utilize the area
reduction allowances as long as you meet all of the conditions per
NFPA-13, as previously indicated by Matthew.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
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will be getting an AHJ to accept this logic and apply it
WITHOUT any imperical data to back it up.
Ultimately you may have to actually have a section modulus determined or
an NFPA technical opinion rendered as to the application of this logic.
Thanks,
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne
.
There is direction in the Life Safety Code (NFPA-101) as well as NFPA-13
for direction and guidance on the proper proteection of stages and their
ancilliary spaces.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
407-656-3030
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the costs of installation automatic sprinklers at a reasonable level
(without jeopardizing life safety) in these lower-hazard areas.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.warp-drive.com
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can't stop them, we can only hope to contain them ;-)
Ray Vance
Chief Enginerering Tech.
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where the ceiling is at
more extreme heights.
Thanks,
Ray Vance
Wyane Automatic Fire Sprinklers,'Inc.
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,
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Association for more than a decade and currently also
teach the State-approved college credit certificate course in Fire
Sprinkler System Technology at our local community college.
Re-testing should be a breeze ;-)
Yeah... RIGHT!
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers
Yeah... Especially the part about the divert some of the stash of gold
part.
Care to elaborate :-)? (Off forum to my personal e-mail address of
course!)
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
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opinion.
I would think that NFPA would have given direction on this if it was of
a major concern.
Thanks,
Ray Vance
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the ceiling pocket criteria is met. This can be useful in situations
where there are multiple adjacent ceiling pockets.
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IS CAPABLE OF
TRAPPING HEAT!
Top of the day to you all!
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
(407) 656-3030
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:22
Tony,
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
I apologize for my oversight on this particular point!
Your scenario does indeed end up with a 1500 sq.ft. area and is exactly
what my post attempted to demonstrate.
Thank you for this correction,
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech
Wayne Automatic Fire
of the
other allowable desgin area methods is utilized. (ie. Small room,
corridor, etc.)
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
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indicated you can just calculate it both ways to
be absolutely sure.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech
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in 30 minutes.
Ray Vance
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behind the standards' intent instead of just blindly applying
the black and white wording of the standard.
In my opinion, you are correct and the minimum (10) pipe diamters would
and should still apply.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
(407) 656-3030
WHY?!
Ray Vance
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to straighten it out but a vertical
el bolted right to pump suction (osy on other end) will give you a
smooth flow to the impeller.
Tom Duross
Go Red Sox
WHY?!
Ray Vance
The suction from above is the best way to supply any pump!!!
Mike Hairfield
NFPA 20 section 5.14.6.3 talks about elbows turning
NOW THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!
Accurate, definitive, technical direction. Sure answers a lot of
questions!
OK! I am done for the day ;-) I have been fully and technically satisied
this fine Monday morning!
BACK TO WORK!!
Ray
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DROWNED ;-)
No lives were lost and little damage was done.
If you are wondering if what we do everyday really matters, a story like
this should answer that question.
Everybody should take pride in what you do.
This FORUM of ours ROCKS.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire
not know what it
is.
Thanks,
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
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me if I am misinterpretting these requirements.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
(407) 656-3030
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vertical structural columns
(square, round, or otherwise) as obstructions. Of course we are usually
more than 2ft away from them :-)
Thanks,
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
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, and follow
previous directions.
Hic, I just tryd it tree times and it wurks.. Burrrpp!
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
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regarding the statements above,
but the direction from the NFPA standards is pretty clear in this area
when you have different hazards within the same area or areas.
Thanks,
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com
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so without have to fight this totally
ignorant type of news reporting.
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
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