On Friday 21 August 2009 16:04:28 Alex Pyattaev wrote:
> > He has stated that the network does not allow "P2P applications" running
> > Freenet
> > as pure darknet will technically be "F2F", now we can start arguing whether
> > F2F
> > is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we a
On Friday 21 August 2009 16:22:22 Evan Daniel wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Alex Pyattaev
> wrote:
> >
> >> He has stated that the network does not allow "P2P applications" running
> >> Freenet
> >> as pure darknet will technically be "F2F", now we can start arguing
> >> whether F2F
>
The only problem that I can see here (and it may be kind of serious)
would be: what if your bosses realize that you use resources, work
hours, etc to catch Freenet users, and then you don't actually ban them?
If you don't have a good excuse for that, may be better just forget the
whole idea.
Dude,
Alex Pyattaev wrote:
> You know, I do think that freenet is a good idea. And in fact, until
> freenet users will consume too much traffic, i'm not going to ban
> them. Because i don't want to. In fact, right now 100.0% of major
> traffic consumers are using *other* P2P networks. Mostly torrents,
You know, I do think that freenet is a good idea. And in fact, until freenet
users will consume too much traffic, i'm not going to ban them. Because i
don't want to. In fact, right now 100.0% of major traffic consumers are
using *other* P2P networks. Mostly torrents, some use mule & DC, but they
ar
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:57:15PM +0100, VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote:
> Evan Daniel wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V
> > Anarhist wrote:
> >> Luke771 wrote:
> >>> Alex Pyattaev wrote:
> Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that
> try to conn
Evan Daniel wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V
> Anarhist wrote:
>> Luke771 wrote:
>>> Alex Pyattaev wrote:
Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that
try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed
tell you. Hope I'll ba
At 09:15 AM 8/21/2009, Evan Daniel wrote:
>On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Victor Denisov wrote:
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> > Luke771 wrote:
> >> What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users
> >> wont be that easy to catch.
> >
> > No, they
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Alex Pyattaev wrote:
>
>> He has stated that the network does not allow "P2P applications" running
>> Freenet
>> as pure darknet will technically be "F2F", now we can start arguing
>> whether F2F
>> is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we acce
> He has stated that the network does not allow "P2P applications" running
> Freenet
> as pure darknet will technically be "F2F", now we can start arguing whether
> F2F
> is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that
> F2F
> and P2P are different, then people who haven't
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V
Anarhist wrote:
> Luke771 wrote:
>> Alex Pyattaev wrote:
>>> Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that
>>> try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed
>>> tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before yo
Luke771 wrote:
> Alex Pyattaev wrote:
>> Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that
>> try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed
>> tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so
>> that I can sleep well knowing that my bos
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Victor Denisov wrote:
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> Luke771 wrote:
>> What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users
>> wont be that easy to catch.
>
> No, they'll be extremely easy to catch, along with their friends' IP
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Luke771 wrote:
> What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users
> wont be that easy to catch.
No, they'll be extremely easy to catch, along with their friends' IP
addresses. Detect local darknet nodes via generic traffic analysi
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Luke771 wrote:
> If you do detect any nodes, pleaser tell us because that would mean that
> Freenet must be fixed.
> thanks for your help.
No, it means no such thing. Freenet is *extremely* vulnerable to local
traffic analysis, as its traffic pattern
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> Victor, you basically repeat my idea (about the harvester), so i will
> think about implementation. Statistics method is not an option, almost
> the same stats are shown for online games (especially real-time) that
> utilize UDP. almost constant, mos
Alex Pyattaev wrote:
> Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that
> try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed
> tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so
> that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know a
Alex Pyattaev wrote:
> I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing
> internet to subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits
> the use of ANY p2p network by subscribers. The question is - is it
> possible to detect freenet nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use
> c
Victor, you basically repeat my idea (about the harvester), so i will think
about implementation. Statistics method is not an option, almost the same
stats are shown for online games (especially real-time) that utilize UDP.
almost constant, mostly symmetrical(not always, e.g. spring produces
asymme
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I'd suggest detecting Freenet nodes by their UDP traffic usage. No
amount of VoIP or gaming activity will generate a near-constant UDP
stream to ~20 external nodes. If your firewall/billing/traffic logging
software provides for this, I think it'll be t
Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that try to
connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed tell you. Hope
I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so that I can sleep well
knowing that my bosses will never know about the freenet users in the LA
Hopefully the answer to Alex's question is: It can't be done.
If he can detect freenet nodes on his network, you must assume that
governments and the like can as well. I would rather we help Alex try
(and hopefully fail) in detecting nodes on his private home network,
than just ignore the fact tha
Portscanning? I tried nmap on my node, but it can't identify the
application. I don't know if other tools are able to.
-ermanno
2009/8/21 Alex Pyattaev :
> I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to
> subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the us
I don't know about others, but I would not will to help you.
2009/8/21 Alex Pyattaev
> I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to
> subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY p2p
> network by subscribers. The question is - is it possi
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