Re: How to read/import older local folders
DaveMunk schrieb: I have older copies of SeaMonkey on different drives on my system: How can I import or read the old local folder files into my current active tree? Rename them if necessary (if another folder with that name already exists), close SM, copy the old folder files into your profile where sent, trash etc. are located and start SM. All folders should be listet. regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to read/import older local folders
Martin Freitag wrote: DaveMunk schrieb: I have older copies of SeaMonkey on different drives on my system: How can I import or read the old local folder files into my current active tree? Rename them if necessary (if another folder with that name already exists), close SM, copy the old folder files into your profile where sent, trash etc. are located and start SM. All folders should be listet. regards Martin: This is all for SM1 right? Can you inject SM1 folders into SM2 like this, or are the formats incompatible? -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to read/import older local folders
David Wilkinson wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: DaveMunk schrieb: I have older copies of SeaMonkey on different drives on my system: How can I import or read the old local folder files into my current active tree? Rename them if necessary (if another folder with that name already exists), close SM, copy the old folder files into your profile where sent, trash etc. are located and start SM. All folders should be listet. regards Martin: This is all for SM1 right? Can you inject SM1 folders into SM2 like this, or are the formats incompatible? The mail is still in mbox format, so you should be able to just transfer them as described. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2 should remember zoom setting
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:41:45 -0400, /David Wilkinson/: FireFox 3 remembers the zoom setting for each site, so that when you go there again it still looks the way you want. But SM2 does not have this feature. Why not? Is there (or will there be) an extension to do this? AFAIK it is Firefox specific and SeaMonkey does not inherit it. Here's the Bugzilla entry to track the implementation into SeaMonkey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386363 I've not personally used it, but this extension should help: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#nosquint Thanks. Actually, I think what is really needed is an option for inheriting zoom settings: Inherit zoom setting for new pages -- For all sites -- For the same domain (current FF3) -- Never (current SM2) In more detail, the problem I am having on my HTPC is the following: In order to make the OS usable in general, I have set the DPI to 150. Normally SM2/FF3 seem to ignore the DPI setting (on the grounds that images do not scale well by non-integer factors), but if it is 144 or more (144 is 1.5 times the standard Windows 96 DPI) they double the size of both the browser toolbar and the web page. Many web pages have a specified width of 1024 pixels, so doubling it gives 2048 pixels, which is bigger than the 1920 pixel width of my HDTV screen. So I get a horizontal scrollbar (yuk). Frankly, I think it is a bug to zoom the page to the point where it is wider than the screen; nobody will be happy with a horizontal scrollbar. Rather I think it should zoom to the maximum that will fit on the screen, even if this is not optimal for good image display. What I am currently doing is let SM2/FF3 double the size and then zoom out by a factor of 90%, which gives an effective zoom factor of 1.8. Applying this to a page width of 1024 pixels gives 1843 pixels which fits on my screen. But this is a PITA in SM2, because it does not remember the zoom setting. If this is not fixed I will just have to use FF3 or IE8 on my HTPC. Latest Opera also does a decent job. In fact SM2 is the only latest generation browser that does not work for me on my HTPC, which is a shame because it is my browser of choice. -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Delete broken in today's nightlies ??
Hello all, Is it just me for the delete key (as well as the D shortcut are inoperative to delete a message ? It was working in yesterday's nightlies... I am not sure it is a regression as I was recently playing between the 2.0.1 and the 2.1 versions of the nightlies, so I might have something broken somewhere :-) Thanks everyone ! Dominique ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is gloda enabled in SM 2.0?
Craig wrote: On 10/25/2009 05:59 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: - just meet me at the usual place, the Karaoke bar :) Ah! Perhaps a paypal account for a singing instructor? Nah, I'm not planning on getting serious with anything there, it's just for fun - and I'll make sure I have enough of that! :) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Delete broken in today's nightlies ??
dominique wrote, On 10/26/2009 1:13 PM: Hello all, Is it just me for the delete key (as well as the D shortcut are inoperative to delete a message ? It was working in yesterday's nightlies... I am not sure it is a regression as I was recently playing between the 2.0.1 and the 2.1 versions of the nightlies, so I might have something broken somewhere :-) Thanks everyone ! Dominique Ooops.. forget about this !! works now... never mind (and sorry for the noise...) ! Dominique ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Freezing in SM2
Using XP, I have for some time been plagued by freezes in SM1. The application becomes unresponsive, and all the SM windows in Task Manager show Not responding. After a while (30 seconds perhaps) it comes back to life. But now I am saying the same thing in SM2 (on a different XP machine). It may be related to mail/news, because I have not seen it happen when I have only browser windows open. Does anybody else see this? -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Freezing in SM2
David Wilkinson wrote: Using XP, I have for some time been plagued by freezes in SM1. The application becomes unresponsive, and all the SM windows in Task Manager show Not responding. After a while (30 seconds perhaps) it comes back to life. But now I am saying the same thing in SM2 (on a different XP machine). It may be related to mail/news, because I have not seen it happen when I have only browser windows open. Does anybody else see this? Yes, the whole program freezes while RSS feeds are being updated. Do you have RSS feeds set up in Mail/News? Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Hell, that was a joke! Am I the only person in the world who uses some humor in blog posts now and then? It would seem that you poorly communicated that it was a joke, as asmpgmr isn't the only one who thought you were being serious. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:36:01 +0100, /Benoit Renard/: Plus, with tabs, I can rearrange them with dragdrop. Something that Windows couldn't do with its taskbar until Windows 7! For this I'm using Taskbar Shuffle http://www.freewebs.com/nerdcave/ - very handy. Holy ! I never thought an utility to do this was possible. It even works as far back as Windows 95! Thanks for the link! :D ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Daniel wrote: I don't know about this Dead Link feature being in Communicator, but maybe it was. I've used AM-Deadlink for the last ten years or so, and, as far as I can see, there would only be a link to a Spammer page in my address book if I put it there. So AM-Deadlink (or the Communicator feature from years ago) could only report me to a Spammer site if *I* had added the site first. How was that a security risk in Communicator?? Daniel How would Communicator know that it was a dead link? It can only know by checking it. Or is this some feature that disabled all links unless it matched a whitelist? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Freezing in SM2
Leonidas Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Using XP, I have for some time been plagued by freezes in SM1. The application becomes unresponsive, and all the SM windows in Task Manager show Not responding. After a while (30 seconds perhaps) it comes back to life. But now I am saying the same thing in SM2 (on a different XP machine). It may be related to mail/news, because I have not seen it happen when I have only browser windows open. Does anybody else see this? Yes, the whole program freezes while RSS feeds are being updated. Do you have RSS feeds set up in Mail/News? No, not yet. But I have a lot of newsgroups. I thought SM2 was supposed to have better isolation between different pages/features, so that problems with one page/feature would not disable the whole application. Anyway, this is not acceptable. How can SM2 be designed this way? Will it be fixed? -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 1.1.18 -- How to: NOT download messages on server first time in.
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:19:31 -0700, Keith Whaley keit...@dslextreme.com in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: jim wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:55:35 -0400, jim j...@earthlink.com in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: Seamonkey 1.1.18 -- How to: NOT download messages on server first time in Win Xp SP2 Seamonkey 1.1.18 Obviously this is a simple setting -- somewhere. I did not find it. Where do you tell Seamonkey to NOT download current server email inbox for your account when Seamonkey 1.1.18 is booted? Thanks, jim Too often the answer to a question comes to me just after i have written it down and sent it. There must be something in the act of explanation and asking that spurs me. (Server settings of mail newsgroups account) However, that is not always the case. :-) jim That supports my long-held contention that to really learn a subject in more depth, try to teach it or explain it to someone! Absolutely so! You will gain a greater understanding of whatever it is you try to explain to someone. Good point. keith whaley Thanks on the answer and I agree here, too. jim ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows 7?
Russell wrote: On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:56:37 -0700 (PDT), Willyeckerslike kennytho...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I have just installed Seamonkey 2 RC on Windows 7 64bit which I recieved this morning and it works fine. I installed v1.18 and am repeatenly being informed on launching it that it is not the default Browser. So far my attempts to convince it that it is the default are being ignored. I'm looking for the culprit. Russell Launch SeaMonkey 1.1.18 by right-click run as administrator. The setting change is more likely to stick if you run it in that way (various data folders and registry trees are redirected in Vista and Windows 7 for non-admin users -- and you are really an admin user only if you run as administrator). (I don't know if this fixes this particular problem, but a lot of apps have a failure to have settings stick on Vista and Win 7 because of this feature.) Bob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Hell, that was a joke! Am I the only person in the world who uses some humor in blog posts now and then? It would seem that you poorly communicated that it was a joke, as asmpgmr isn't the only one who thought you were being serious. Two things: Readers can't see your facial features, so smiles are invisible, and raised eyebrows are invisible, and widened eyes are invisible... That's precisely why many folks use smileys, but others look on their use with disdain. Secondly, many folks depend on body language, including facial features, to pick the humor out of humorous sarcasm, and just plain miss it! It is most difficult to portray nuances in person-to-person communication that is only written, so you have to let your language do it FOR you! So, in all fairness to Robert K, who ordinarily does a most excellent job at communicating his intent, I really wouldn't call it poorly communicated but incompletely communicated. And most of us are guilty of that lapse on occasion! keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Freezing in SM2
David Wilkinson wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: /snip/ Yes, the whole program freezes while RSS feeds are being updated. Do you have RSS feeds set up in Mail/News? No, not yet. But I have a lot of newsgroups. I thought SM2 was supposed to have better isolation between different pages/features, so that problems with one page/feature would not disable the whole application. Anyway, this is not acceptable. How can SM2 be designed this way? Will it be fixed? Well, the freezing I am seeing is purely related to RSS, so its probably not the same. In fact, I had been attributing the problem to my non standard profile setup, where the mail/news/rss data is stored on an external drive. Do you have your account set to poll the servers for new messages at the same time? If so, that may be the cause. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
gecko mozilla 1.8 host name resolution
I defined 2 servers with the same host name, but 2 differents addresses into my WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\etc\hosts file. If a server fails my exchanges are routed on the second server. This system is known as round robin. Is it implemented into (I use Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/ 20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18). Round robin was implmeented into the Apache HttpClient's class. It was just done as - getting an array with all adresses defined with the same server name into the hosts file. - creating a socket for each adress . If it fails, try with the next otherwise return the socket. If it exists, is it the same implementation... I looked into netwerk, nsSocket , nsSocketTransportService, nsSocketProviderService... But I didn't fail anything regarding round robin. Could someone help me thank's a lot philippe ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
The question still remains: are users who like the way things work in SeaMonkey 1.x in the target audience for SeaMonkey 2.0 ? As it stands I'm going to stick with SeaMonkey 1.1.x, for me there are several show stoppers in SeaMonkey 2.0: awfulbar, extremely intrusive infobars, bad password manager, bad download progress dialog. Also if the new tabmail feature can't be turned off then that would be a major show stopper for me. While it would be nice to have the newer and faster Gecko 1.9.1 rendering engine, Gecko 1.8.1 still handles websites just fine and these new features are just too undesirable to me and clearly there is no concern for longtime users who like things the way they have been from Mozilla Suite through SeaMonkey 1.1.x. Perhaps someone will take an old pre-alpha 1 build of SeaMonkey 2.0 which supported early Gecko 1.9.1 before any of these UI changes were added, drop in the current version of Gecko 1.9.1 and release that as a user-supported custom build, a sort of SeaMonkey 1.5. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
asmpgmr wrote: The question still remains: are users who like the way things work in SeaMonkey 1.x in the target audience for SeaMonkey 2.0 ? As it stands I'm going to stick with SeaMonkey 1.1.x, for me there are several show stoppers in SeaMonkey 2.0: awfulbar, extremely intrusive infobars, bad password manager, bad download progress dialog. Also if the new tabmail feature can't be turned off then that would be a major show stopper for me. While it would be nice to have the newer and faster Gecko 1.9.1 rendering engine, Gecko 1.8.1 still handles websites just fine and these new features are just too undesirable to me and clearly there is no concern for longtime users who like things the way they have been from Mozilla Suite through SeaMonkey 1.1.x. Perhaps someone will take an old pre-alpha 1 build of SeaMonkey 2.0 which supported early Gecko 1.9.1 before any of these UI changes were added, drop in the current version of Gecko 1.9.1 and release that as a user-supported custom build, a sort of SeaMonkey 1.5. After reading these threads, I decided against SeaMonkey, for now. I'm perfectly happy with Firefox 3.5.3 and Thunderbird 2.0.x and see no benefit to switching, but I have noticed a few things I enjoy now are missing in SeaMonkey. Innovation is wonderful, but I like options and tweaks, and buttons, and progress bars, and the ability to turn various bells and whistles on or off as I prefer. -- KristleBawl ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Freezing in SM2
Leonidas Jones wrote: No, not yet. But I have a lot of newsgroups. I thought SM2 was supposed to have better isolation between different pages/features, so that problems with one page/feature would not disable the whole application. Anyway, this is not acceptable. How can SM2 be designed this way? Will it be fixed? Well, the freezing I am seeing is purely related to RSS, so its probably not the same. In fact, I had been attributing the problem to my non standard profile setup, where the mail/news/rss data is stored on an external drive. Do you have your account set to poll the servers for new messages at the same time? If so, that may be the cause. I don't have my newsgroups poll automatically. I do have two IMAP email accounts that update every 10 minutes. -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Freezing in SM2
I am seeing something similar.Can't figute out what is causing it. It seems to be related to getting mail, but I have all of my mail accounts set to get mail only when asked. David Wilkinson wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Using XP, I have for some time been plagued by freezes in SM1. The application becomes unresponsive, and all the SM windows in Task Manager show Not responding. After a while (30 seconds perhaps) it comes back to life. But now I am saying the same thing in SM2 (on a different XP machine). It may be related to mail/news, because I have not seen it happen when I have only browser windows open. Does anybody else see this? Yes, the whole program freezes while RSS feeds are being updated. Do you have RSS feeds set up in Mail/News? No, not yet. But I have a lot of newsgroups. I thought SM2 was supposed to have better isolation between different pages/features, so that problems with one page/feature would not disable the whole application. Anyway, this is not acceptable. How can SM2 be designed this way? Will it be fixed? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Ray_Net wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: And if I were to use Thunderbird I actually like Postbox better because the last one I downloaded still allowed javascript in email. You do realise that JavaScript in mail is a big security risk, right? It doesn't have a place in e-mail messages in the first place. It's a message, not a web page. Why is it a security risk? I used Netscape Navigator 3.0.1.a Gold, Communicator, Mozilla, and Thunderbird until it was removed, and not once in all those years had any javascript attacks in email. Not once. You may cross the road when the ligths are red ... without any trouble ... until the bad day ! It is odd that from Netscape Navigator days to just less than a year ago it wasn't that insecure. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Daniel wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: For example I've always thought Tabs was not what most users wanted, because it was a gee-whiz-bang feature that was in IE. we had to have it. You're wrong. OR, how about killing javascript, in Thunderbird. Security risk, as pointed out above. There was a Feature in Communicator that was great, you could check for dead links and then ask it to delete them. It never saw the light of day in Mozilla. Another security (and privacy) risk. Imagine getting some spam with links. If SeaMonkey would check those for you, the spammer would get notified that your e-mail address exists, along with other data that's part of the HTTP request. Then you'd get even more spam. I don't know about this Dead Link feature being in Communicator, but maybe it was. I've used AM-Deadlink for the last ten years or so, and, as far as I can see, there would only be a link to a Spammer page in my address book if I put it there. So AM-Deadlink (or the Communicator feature from years ago) could only report me to a Spammer site if *I* had added the site first. How was that a security risk in Communicator?? Daniel It wouldn't be. Because it only checked items you already had downloaded. I know I have some now I know are most likely out of date. But it would take me months to go through all of them to see if they are dead. It worked great even on a slow 56K POTTS line back then with DSL and Cable and FOIS it out to knock it out in a minute or two. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: asmpgmr wrote: On Oct 24, 5:40 pm, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: 1) Tabs were not in IE until very recently (IE7) while Mozilla has had them for ages (Opera was the first tabbed browser, though). 2) The vast majority of users love tabs, please accept that while you might be one of our users, you are not the majority and can't speak for them. I don't like tabs either and see them as a pointless waste of screen space when the OS already has window management and its own taskbar which can be hidden but I don't care that tabs are supported because I have the choice not to use them. Tabs also seem to use more resources and essentially duplicate functionality already in the OS. 4) As in any open source project, those who actually give time and work to the project have the most influence of what's happening. Nobody can change that, it's the very nature of how things work, and an increasing amount of people seems to be happier with that than with the alternatives. Granted but why do things like change the download progress dialog UI to be less usable because you don't like dialogs (Your words: Download progress dialogs ? Eww!). There really is no reason why this can't look more or less the same as SeaMonkey 1.x 5) Accept that you are not always in the majority or target audience group among users. Does this mean that people who like the SeaMonkey 1.x UI aren't the target audience for SeaMonkey 2.0 ?? Phillip, if I am to believe your message header, you are using Win98! SeaMonkey 2.0 is not supposed to work on Win98, so are you complaining about something you haven't even tried yet?? Or have you found a way for getting SM 2.0 to work on Win98 (Please, oh please, Phillip, you'll be my friend forever!!)?? Hang on, Phillip, you almost got away with that, Phillip.but then, just before I hit sent I remembered that you use Mac OSX or whatever, so you must have your SM prefs munged!! You almost got away with that, Phillip! Daniel No I use Mac OSX 4.11. There isn't a Windows machine within a quarter mile of my house thank you. There is no modal window in SM2 for Mac. As for the Active -X Comments its combination or Reading various internet news feed, plus helping some of my relatives that use Windows machines and Friends. I suggest they turn off active-x and the malware attacks seem to disappear. So did you just forget to re-set your header info last time??? (Now it is correctly showing you are using a Mac!) Daniel ??? I don't even use User Agent switcher any more. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: asmpgmr wrote: On Oct 24, 5:40 pm, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: /snip/ So did you just forget to re-set your header info last time??? (Now it is correctly showing you are using a Mac!) Daniel ??? I don't even use User Agent switcher any more. Daniel, I've looked at several of Phillip's full headers, and I have not seen one that indicates anything other then Mac OSX. I suspect you may have looked at someone else's post by mistake. Since this is getting off topic, I've set a followup to mozilla.general. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Robert Kaiser wrote: asmpgmr wrote: On Oct 25, 4:52 pm, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: asmpgmr wrote: Now I realize this is subjective and that you think progress dialogs are soo backwards, only really old software uses such a thing. That's not what I think but you seem to be so convinced that I do that you ignore anything I'm saying anyhow, it seems. Sorry but I copied the quoted text from your own blog. Hell, that was a joke! Am I the only person in the world who uses some humor in blog posts now and then? Robert Kaiser Yep! Everyone is too serious these days. You ought visit the the adobe forums. You'd think you were in a Hospital. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Benoit Renard wrote: Daniel wrote: I don't know about this Dead Link feature being in Communicator, but maybe it was. I've used AM-Deadlink for the last ten years or so, and, as far as I can see, there would only be a link to a Spammer page in my address book if I put it there. So AM-Deadlink (or the Communicator feature from years ago) could only report me to a Spammer site if *I* had added the site first. How was that a security risk in Communicator?? Daniel How would Communicator know that it was a dead link? It can only know by checking it. Or is this some feature that disabled all links unless it matched a whitelist? What it did was go to the site and try to get in as soon as it got a response it would mark it as active or dead. then it listed the dead links you could then delete the dead links. I can't remember exact process but it worked well. Worked kind of like a Whois utility. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Developers never, ever, ever, ever listen to end users. Then it's good that SeaMonkey is being developed by users. Classifying people who code as users, just because they do use the code they write is avoiding the issue, don't you think. And the set of people who can not only *write* code, but get it *accepted* is smaller yet. Seamonkey is not like the Linux kernel, where a patch can be posted, people will test it, and it is likely to be accepted if it works and does something useful. Or did you complain that different users have different opinions about what they want? No, I think the complaint is lack of option to do things in a way people other than developers find productive. I don't listen very hard to complaints about default settings, they can be tuned. But forcing one mode of operation by everyone because a developer likes it does seem to be pretty elitist. Particularly when something used to work one way and no developer can say that someone would have to write and test that code, and the code was working for years on previous Seamonkey. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 10/23/09 18:32, Phillip Jones wrote: Developers never, ever, ever, ever listen to end users. The think they no more how a program should look like than the users that have to use it. Good God, have you a bone to pick or something? I am a developer and I certainly do listen to what end users want - they are my customers after all! Don't you think you might be over-generalizing here a bit? Perhaps you're just having a bad moment? No it seem with Mozilla when user are happy with function, it always seems that that irritates the heck out of the developers. It seems if users like it too much, its a target to be removed. For example I've always thought Tabs was not what most users wanted, because it was a gee-whiz-bang feature that was in IE. we had to have it. Isn't it good that we can decide thing like middle button opening in same window, new window, or tab. Same deal for mail tabs. The way I work I have no desire, nor no need to have 8 or ten tabs open at one time. I look at one thing at a time. Although I've using personal computers since the early. I just never id desire have pages filled up with cached pages of multiple websites. WE don't need to any shape of fashion need to be an IE clone. If we look and, act so much like IE what's the point in trying out something different if it all works and looks the same. I don't want to be even reminded of IE , much less look like like it. This modal thing is another example. OR, how about killing javascript, in Thunderbird. There was a Feature in Communicator that was great, you could check for dead links and then ask it to delete them. It never saw the light of day in Mozilla. I could think of other things. The point about security is valid, but it's still MY computer, set the default where you like and allow the choice if that's what the user wants. Call the option 'allow.securityattacks.from.javascript' if you think you need the issue a warning for legal reasons, but choice is good. And no, I wouldn't turn it on unless I could do so in a message filter and trust certain people. But developers keep think up things, possibly ask (not always), get negative responses then put it in anyway. One thing you have resisted the temptation of doing is using Active-X. I salute you for that. Now That I have bragged on that, there probably will be an announcement next month that Active-X will be built-in. Active-X is the reason now for bout 98% of all the malware floating on the internet. The other 2 percent is Phishing attempts. If Active-X was killed dead, at least for a while Windows machines wouldn't need virus and Malware detection programs. Your estimate is unrelated to any estimate I have ever seen from people who who have measured threat characteristics, perhaps you can cite a source? Perhaps you pulled the number out of your... personal experience? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
On 10/26/09 11:56, Phillip Jones wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: And if I were to use Thunderbird I actually like Postbox better because the last one I downloaded still allowed javascript in email. You do realise that JavaScript in mail is a big security risk, right? It doesn't have a place in e-mail messages in the first place. It's a message, not a web page. Why is it a security risk? I used Netscape Navigator 3.0.1.a Gold, Communicator, Mozilla, and Thunderbird until it was removed, and not once in all those years had any javascript attacks in email. Not once. You may cross the road when the ligths are red ... without any trouble ... until the bad day ! It is odd that from Netscape Navigator days to just less than a year ago it wasn't that insecure. Try to remember that security is a moving target. In addition to points that may be raised by others, consider that as time goes on, people learn of the vulnerabilities that exist up until now. So, for example, to say that when using last year's release *last year*, it was safe, doesn't mean using it now is still safe. The same holds true for JS. In the beginning, I'm sure many had no idea how it could be manipulated in such nefarious ways. However, today people sure know a lot more about how to exploit JS that anyone though possible a few years ago. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Freezing in SM2
David E. Ross wrote: On 10/26/2009 4:45 AM, David Wilkinson wrote: Using XP, I have for some time been plagued by freezes in SM1. The application becomes unresponsive, and all the SM windows in Task Manager show Not responding. After a while (30 seconds perhaps) it comes back to life. But now I am saying the same thing in SM2 (on a different XP machine). It may be related to mail/news, because I have not seen it happen when I have only browser windows open. Does anybody else see this? Currently, I have SeaMonkey 1.1.18. I did a custom install without mail-news. I do not bother with RSS. I see the freeze whenever a page contains JavaScript that causes additional scripts to download and then execute. I especially see it when such a chain of scripts involves a final display that is a PDF document in my browser window. but I also occasionally see it when the chain of scripts does not involve PDF. Because of this, I used the PrefBar extension to create a JavaScript checkbox. Unchecking the checkbox disables JavaScript. Now, when I visit a Web site where I've seen this freeze in the past, I uncheck. Sometimes I have to be alert to check the checkbox when navigating through such a site to a page that is just plain broken without JavaScript. RSS doesn't exist in Mac version of SM 1.1.8 never has. you could add an extension but didn't like it. Even in FF I don't use it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Freezing in SM2
Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/26/2009 4:45 AM, David Wilkinson wrote: /snip/ RSS doesn't exist in Mac version of SM 1.1.8 never has. you could add an extension but didn't like it. Even in FF I don't use it. Actually, Forumzilla worked very well on 1.1.x. Generally the RSS reader native to SM 2.0 Mail/News is better, but Forumzilla didn't freeze 1.1.x quite the way RSS does in 2.0. Again though, I suspect that my system of placing data on an external drive may have something to do with that. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Bill Davidsen wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 10/23/09 18:32, Phillip Jones wrote: Developers never, ever, ever, ever listen to end users. The think they no more how a program should look like than the users that have to use it. Good God, have you a bone to pick or something? I am a developer and I certainly do listen to what end users want - they are my customers after all! Don't you think you might be over-generalizing here a bit? Perhaps you're just having a bad moment? No it seem with Mozilla when user are happy with function, it always seems that that irritates the heck out of the developers. It seems if users like it too much, its a target to be removed. For example I've always thought Tabs was not what most users wanted, because it was a gee-whiz-bang feature that was in IE. we had to have it. Isn't it good that we can decide thing like middle button opening in same window, new window, or tab. Same deal for mail tabs. The way I work I have no desire, nor no need to have 8 or ten tabs open at one time. I look at one thing at a time. Although I've using personal computers since the early. I just never id desire have pages filled up with cached pages of multiple websites. WE don't need to any shape of fashion need to be an IE clone. If we look and, act so much like IE what's the point in trying out something different if it all works and looks the same. I don't want to be even reminded of IE , much less look like like it. This modal thing is another example. OR, how about killing javascript, in Thunderbird. There was a Feature in Communicator that was great, you could check for dead links and then ask it to delete them. It never saw the light of day in Mozilla. I could think of other things. The point about security is valid, but it's still MY computer, set the default where you like and allow the choice if that's what the user wants. Call the option 'allow.securityattacks.from.javascript' if you think you need the issue a warning for legal reasons, but choice is good. And no, I wouldn't turn it on unless I could do so in a message filter and trust certain people. But developers keep think up things, possibly ask (not always), get negative responses then put it in anyway. One thing you have resisted the temptation of doing is using Active-X. I salute you for that. Now That I have bragged on that, there probably will be an announcement next month that Active-X will be built-in. Active-X is the reason now for bout 98% of all the malware floating on the internet. The other 2 percent is Phishing attempts. If Active-X was killed dead, at least for a while Windows machines wouldn't need virus and Malware detection programs. Your estimate is unrelated to any estimate I have ever seen from people who who have measured threat characteristics, perhaps you can cite a source? Perhaps you pulled the number out of your... personal experience? cNet, ZDnet, Computerworld at least two three years ago. last report on these networks IE is supposed to come with Active-X disabled by default. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
On 10/26/09 14:26, Bill Davidsen wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 10/23/09 18:32, Phillip Jones wrote: Developers never, ever, ever, ever listen to end users. The think they no more how a program should look like than the users that have to use it. Good God, have you a bone to pick or something? I am a developer and I certainly do listen to what end users want - they are my customers after all! Don't you think you might be over-generalizing here a bit? Perhaps you're just having a bad moment? Perhaps he is on all counts, but I do think there's a valid point here, that if there are two ways to do things, and an option is possible between old and new, people don't want change they perceive change for the worse. But of course, that wasn't the point of Phillip's to which I was responding :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 10/23/09 18:32, Phillip Jones wrote: Developers never, ever, ever, ever listen to end users. The think they no more how a program should look like than the users that have to use it. Good God, have you a bone to pick or something? I am a developer and I certainly do listen to what end users want - they are my customers after all! Don't you think you might be over-generalizing here a bit? Perhaps you're just having a bad moment? No it seem with Mozilla when user are happy with function, it always seems that that irritates the heck out of the developers. It seems if users like it too much, its a target to be removed. For example I've always thought Tabs was not what most users wanted, because it was a gee-whiz-bang feature that was in IE. we had to have it. Isn't it good that we can decide thing like middle button opening in same window, new window, or tab. Same deal for mail tabs. The way I work I have no desire, nor no need to have 8 or ten tabs open at one time. I look at one thing at a time. Although I've using personal computers since the early. I just never id desire have pages filled up with cached pages of multiple websites. WE don't need to any shape of fashion need to be an IE clone. If we look and, act so much like IE what's the point in trying out something different if it all works and looks the same. I don't want to be even reminded of IE , much less look like like it. This modal thing is another example. OR, how about killing javascript, in Thunderbird. There was a Feature in Communicator that was great, you could check for dead links and then ask it to delete them. It never saw the light of day in Mozilla. I could think of other things. The point about security is valid, but it's still MY computer, set the default where you like and allow the choice if that's what the user wants. Call the option 'allow.securityattacks.from.javascript' if you think you need the issue a warning for legal reasons, but choice is good. And no, I wouldn't turn it on unless I could do so in a message filter and trust certain people. But developers keep think up things, possibly ask (not always), get negative responses then put it in anyway. One thing you have resisted the temptation of doing is using Active-X. I salute you for that. Now That I have bragged on that, there probably will be an announcement next month that Active-X will be built-in. Active-X is the reason now for bout 98% of all the malware floating on the internet. The other 2 percent is Phishing attempts. If Active-X was killed dead, at least for a while Windows machines wouldn't need virus and Malware detection programs. Your estimate is unrelated to any estimate I have ever seen from people who who have measured threat characteristics, perhaps you can cite a source? Perhaps you pulled the number out of your... personal experience? cNet, ZDnet, Computerworld at least two three years ago. last report on these networks IE is supposed to come with Active-X disabled by default. ON IE8 Sorry about that. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Freezing in SM2
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/26/2009 4:45 AM, David Wilkinson wrote: /snip/ RSS doesn't exist in Mac version of SM 1.1.8 never has. you could add an extension but didn't like it. Even in FF I don't use it. Actually, Forumzilla worked very well on 1.1.x. Generally the RSS reader native to SM 2.0 Mail/News is better, but Forumzilla didn't freeze 1.1.x quite the way RSS does in 2.0. Again though, I suspect that my system of placing data on an external drive may have something to do with that. Lee I tried another other than the one you suggest. never saw anything interest, and caused more problems in fact I had to remove all the chrome items the re-download then install what I had. Can you disable the RSS in SM2?? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Freezing in SM2
Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/26/2009 4:45 AM, David Wilkinson wrote: /snip/ RSS doesn't exist in Mac version of SM 1.1.8 never has. you could add an extension but didn't like it. Even in FF I don't use it. Actually, Forumzilla worked very well on 1.1.x. Generally the RSS reader native to SM 2.0 Mail/News is better, but Forumzilla didn't freeze 1.1.x quite the way RSS does in 2.0. Again though, I suspect that my system of placing data on an external drive may have something to do with that. Lee I tried another other than the one you suggest. never saw anything interest, and caused more problems in fact I had to remove all the chrome items the re-download then install what I had. Can you disable the RSS in SM2?? No need to disable it, just don't use it. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
