Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-13 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: I'm not sure whether it's good or not. The documentation tells me little or nothing about what it means to save my "search history" -- are you storing my Google searches??? Can I examine the data you've saved as I can with cookies? Can I examine/e

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-13 Thread Robert Kaiser
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: I'm not sure whether it's good or not. The documentation tells me little or nothing about what it means to save my "search history" -- are you storing my Google searches??? Can I examine the data you've saved as I can with cookies? Can I examine/edit the form data? Ther

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-12 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Info you entered in 2.x should be saved and offered that way, though. Where? How? Am I right in assuming I need an add-on? No, just double-click on a textbox when you come to the same form a sec

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-12 Thread Robert Kaiser
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Info you entered in 2.x should be saved and offered that way, though. Where? How? Am I right in assuming I need an add-on? No, just double-click on a textbox when you come to the same form a second time, or press the

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-08 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Stephan Mahieu wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I also see Mathieu's Form History Control, which sounds familiar, but only 1,800 people have downloaded it -- despite a five-star rating. For the record: Form History Control currently has 9,937 average daily users this week (and the developers

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-08 Thread Stephan Mahieu
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > I also see > Mathieu's Form History Control, which sounds familiar, but only 1,800 > people have downloaded it -- despite a five-star rating. For the record: Form History Control currently has 9,937 average daily users this week (and the developers name is Mahieu withou

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Evan Davidson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Forms History Control Autofill Forms For SM 2, you need Phil Chee's modified Autofill Forms at: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#autofillforms Forms History Control for SM 2 can be found at: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.6/#issues> has some proposals on what to use. All I can see here is "Form manager has been replaced with a new web form

Fireform to Replace Form Manager?

2010-09-08 Thread Tom Pamin
Has anyone tried Fireform as a replacement for Form Manager? Any opinions? Does it work with SM 1.1.19? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3193/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-07 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Info you entered in 2.x should be saved and offered that way, though. Where? How? Am I right in assuming I need an add-on? No, just double-click on a textbox when you come to the same form a second time, or press the down arrow when the textb

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-07 Thread Robert Kaiser
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Info you entered in 2.x should be saved and offered that way, though. Where? How? Am I right in assuming I need an add-on? No, just double-click on a textbox when you come to the same form a second time, or press the down arrow when the textbox is already focused.

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-06 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: When I go to a site that requires user input into a form, I enter the data, and the next time I go to that site, I'm back where I started Try double-clicking the text field in question or pressing the down button if the t

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-06 Thread Robert Kaiser
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: When I go to a site that requires user input into a form, I enter the data, and the next time I go to that site, I'm back where I started Try double-clicking the text field in question or pressing the down button if the text field is already focu

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-05 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.6/#issues> has some proposals on what to use. All I can see here is "Form manager has been replaced with a new web form remembering functionality that

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-05 Thread Robert Kaiser
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.6/#issues> has some proposals on what to use. All I can see here is "Form manager has been replaced with a new web form remembering functionality that works very much differ

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-05 Thread Evan Davidson
Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I know they eliminated the form manager in v.2; it's one of the reasons I waited so long to upgrade. What's the best add-on for this? I see LastPass is popular, with over 20K downloads, but I don't recall hearing the name bef

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-05 Thread Jens Hatlak
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I also see Mathieu's Form History Control, which sounds familiar, but only 1,800 people have downloaded it -- despite a five-star rating. What does the exact download count above, let's say 50, actually tell you? How many other people have the exact same need as you ha

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-05 Thread Phillip Jones
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I know they eliminated the form manager in v.2; it's one of the reasons I waited so long to upgrade. What's the best add-on for this? I see LastPass is popular, with over 20K downloads, but I don't recall hearing the name before. I also see Mathieu

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-05 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: I know they eliminated the form manager in v.2; it's one of the reasons I waited so long to upgrade. What's the best add-on for this? Have you actually read the release notes? No help there. A comparison of 2.0.6 vs. 2.0.5 doesn

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-05 Thread Beverly Howard
>> What's the best add-on for this? << This is a completely different approach to the need, and it replaced my dependence on the form manager over about six months before I realized it had happened... a keyboard macro program. For me, it's actually faster than the form ma

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-05 Thread Beverly Howard
>> What's the best add-on for this? << This is a completely different approach to the need, and it replaced my dependence on the form manager over about six months before I realized it had happened... a keyboard macro program. For me, it's actually faster than the f

Re: Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-05 Thread Robert Kaiser
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: I know they eliminated the form manager in v.2; it's one of the reasons I waited so long to upgrade. What's the best add-on for this? Have you actually read the release notes? http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.6/#issues has some pr

Form manager in v.2?

2010-09-05 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
I know they eliminated the form manager in v.2; it's one of the reasons I waited so long to upgrade. What's the best add-on for this? I see LastPass is popular, with over 20K downloads, but I don't recall hearing the name before. I also see Mathieu's Form History C

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-24 Thread Bill Davidsen
Philip Chee wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:47:10 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Philip Chee wrote: SeaMonkey 2.1 will have a Form data editor as part of the Data Manager. Will it hopefully look like what we have now with the autof

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-23 Thread Philip Chee
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:47:10 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Philip Chee wrote: >> SeaMonkey 2.1 will have a Form data editor as part of the Data Manager. >> >> > Will it hopefully look like what we have now with the autofill, or are

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-23 Thread Bill Davidsen
John Doue wrote: On 7/21/2010 11:00 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 21 juillet 2010, Tom Pamin a écrit : I've been delaying moving to SM 2.x because I like using the Form Manager in 1.1.19 so much. I know there have been several similar extensions developed for 2.x, bu

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-23 Thread Bill Davidsen
Philip Chee wrote: On 22/07/2010 04:12, S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful features. :-( To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially damaging features. SeaMonkey 2.1 will have a Form dat

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-22 Thread Lucas Levrel
of a log in SM 1. To use only one extension, you could (as I do) turn off completely SM's builtin form manager. Then you capture form data at will and "by hand" with Autofill Forms (just like we did in SM1, Edit > Save form data). Then you can edit saved data in Autofill Form

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-21 Thread John Doue
On 7/21/2010 11:00 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 21 juillet 2010, Tom Pamin a écrit : I've been delaying moving to SM 2.x because I like using the Form Manager in 1.1.19 so much. I know there have been several similar extensions developed for 2.x, but are any exactly

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-21 Thread Philip Chee
On 22/07/2010 04:12, S. Beaulieu wrote: > Phillip Jones a écrit : >> To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful >> features. :-( > > > To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially > damaging features. SeaMonkey 2.1 will have a Form data editor

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
finding replacement or rewriting both useful and insecure useful, So you'd rather they kept a potentially damaging feature until (if ever) someone decides to make something to replace it? We absolutely would not go to 2.0.x until Phil released his form manager. The included forms stuff do

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-21 Thread S. Beaulieu
Phillip Jones a écrit : S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful features. :-( To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially damaging features. S. That too, but should be finding replacement or

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-21 Thread Phillip Jones
S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful features. :-( To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially damaging features. S. That too, but should be finding replacement or rewriting both useful an

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-21 Thread S. Beaulieu
Phillip Jones a écrit : To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful features. :-( To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially damaging features. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seam

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-21 Thread Phillip Jones
Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 21 juillet 2010, Tom Pamin a écrit : I've been delaying moving to SM 2.x because I like using the Form Manager in 1.1.19 so much. I know there have been several similar extensions developed for 2.x, but are any exactly like the Form Manager in 1.1.19? If not, whic

Re: Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-21 Thread Lucas Levrel
Le 21 juillet 2010, Tom Pamin a écrit : I've been delaying moving to SM 2.x because I like using the Form Manager in 1.1.19 so much. I know there have been several similar extensions developed for 2.x, but are any exactly like the Form Manager in 1.1.19? If not, which one is recommend

Best Form Manager Now?

2010-07-21 Thread Tom Pamin
I've been delaying moving to SM 2.x because I like using the Form Manager in 1.1.19 so much. I know there have been several similar extensions developed for 2.x, but are any exactly like the Form Manager in 1.1.19? If not, which one is recommended at this

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-27 Thread Phillip Jones
ng a handful of things which would make them either more productive or happier. That said, Phil Chee is a prince among men for giving us a usable form manager extension. Yes he needs to elevated to lead Mozilla Developer. My first thought about that is that "no good deed goes unpunished

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-27 Thread Bill Davidsen
27;t that tell you something, Yes, it tells me they think that repeating the same thing over and over might make it seem more important than if they just said it once or even a few times. as said previously very few people even know these groups exist. Sure, and a few of the people who do k

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-27 Thread Bill Davidsen
ings which would make them either more productive or happier. That said, Phil Chee is a prince among men for giving us a usable form manager extension. Yes he needs to elevated to lead Mozilla Developer. My first thought about that is that "no good deed goes unpunished." -- Bill Dav

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-26 Thread Rob Steinmetz
I didn't use the old form manager and I don't really miss it. After a little getting used to it, I find the current system perfectly adequate for my needs. I imagine I'm a pretty average user. Phillip Jones wrote: »Q« wrote: In<news:ttednbkfn91trbnwnz2dnuvz_hcdn...@

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Rufus
their code than we are. And a number of the things requested of the form manager are probably things that need to be implemented in SeaMonkey code in any case. First, a specific thing the code should do needs to be identified, a bug filed, then the code needs to be written, and depending on where the

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Mark Hansen
On 2/25/2010 2:03 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >> Well, that was really uncalled for. Bob may not be God, but he doesn't >> deserve that. >> > Nobody in open source deserves that, but it's been true forever, that you get > damn little appreciation and lots of criticism fro

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Bill Davidsen
re joking. * Could you please link me to where you were told to shut up? From all the threads I've read here, the response to complaints about the forms manager has been: -- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there now, so continuing to use the old for form manager

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Bill Davidsen
their code than we are. And a number of the things requested of the form manager are probably things that need to be implemented in SeaMonkey code in any case. First, a specific thing the code should do needs to be identified, a bug filed, then the code needs to be written, and depending on where the

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Bill Davidsen
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, and so forth. Right, but when people place you as the destr

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Rick Merrill
Mr. Cheese wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: I really love the new sort of fill-in-the-blank technique. It takes a little getting used to because at first all you see is the blank entry on the form. But as soon as you type the first letter the pull down list of choice appears. This is great for managin

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Robert Kaiser
Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: First, a specific thing the code should do needs to be identified, a bug filed, then the code needs to be written, and depending on where the code changes are located, it needs review from platform or SeaMonkey people to get in. If I could get back int

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
link me to where you were told to shut up? From all the threads I've read here, the response to complaints about the forms manager has been: -- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there now, so continuing to use the old for form manager requires coding the is specific to

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Robert Kaiser
Phillip Jones wrote: Is this a problem inside the Mozilla grouping. Or because of what people outside Mozilla are saying. If inside then it indicates that certain people with Mozilla have preconceived notions of what supposed to happen. Not what open source is supposed to be. Not much better than

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Benoit Renard
Robert Kaiser wrote: The progress window flamer community didn't seem to want help, after all. They did, just not from you. Don't spin around what actually happened. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Phillip Jones
And a number of the things requested of the form manager are probably things that need to be implemented in SeaMonkey code in any case. First, a specific thing the code should do needs to be identified, a bug filed, then the code needs to be written, and depending on where the code changes are locate

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Phillip Jones
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Encourage you take up your case again take the criticisms and figure out what went wrong. I tried that for months, I finally gave up and threw the towel on that one set of code I wrote after people would even shoot down my tries of improving things. Wo

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Phillip Jones
Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:04:04 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote: That said, Phil Chee is a prince among men for giving us a usable form manager extension. Yes he needs to elevated to lead Mozilla Developer. Yes but that would destroy my street cred as a rabble-rousing extension

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Phillip Jones
even know these groups exist. Sure, and a few of the people who do know the groups exist really miss the old form manager. And one or two of those are not satisfied with the extensions(s) they can use with SM 2 for it. yes that is true and what a shame. To use software that could be so much be

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Robert Kaiser
Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:04:04 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote: That said, Phil Chee is a prince among men for giving us a usable form manager extension. Yes he needs to elevated to lead Mozilla Developer. Yes but that would destroy my street cred as a rabble-rousing extension

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Robert Kaiser
hings requested of the form manager are probably things that need to be implemented in SeaMonkey code in any case. First, a specific thing the code should do needs to be identified, a bug filed, then the code needs to be written, and depending on where the code changes are located, it needs r

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Robert Kaiser
Bill Davidsen wrote: In my opinion you have over-solved the problem already, and I mean that in a good way. You have done more than the minimum work to make it useful, taken pride in your creation, etc. If the pride of workmanship doesn't justify the time to improve further, don't. Thanks for s

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Robert Kaiser
Mark Hansen wrote: I'm sure he must realize that the folks that bash him are in a very small minority, and that most SM users in fact do appreciate his efforts. I do, and thanks for saying that - If I wouldn't know about that, I might have left the project, but I'm far from that. What I did is

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Robert Kaiser
Phillip Jones wrote: Encourage you take up your case again take the criticisms and figure out what went wrong. I tried that for months, I finally gave up and threw the towel on that one set of code I wrote after people would even shoot down my tries of improving things. Working on an open sou

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Daniel
Phillip Jones wrote: »Q« wrote: In, Phillip Jones wrote: »Q« wrote: In, Bill Davidsen wrote: Well this is the very first and only person I have every met who actually /likes/ the new crippl

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Philip Chee
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:04:04 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote: >> That said, Phil Chee is a prince among men for giving us a usable form >> manager >> extension. >> > Yes he needs to elevated to lead Mozilla Developer. Yes but that would destroy my street cred as a rabble-

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-02-24 1:22 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: Do you see any paraphrase of "shut up" in there? I give up. This is pointless. Count this as a "victory" if you like, though I'll be damned if I can see what you've gained by it. What's gained? Everyone else (especially newbi

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread »Q«
that tell you something, Yes, it tells me they think that repeating the same thing over and over might make it seem more important than if they just said it once or even a few times. > as said previously very few people even know these groups exist. Sure, and a few of the people who do know the

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread »Q«
t "people who like it" and not "people who don't like it", I > guess. ;-) Oops, yes! > In any case, I agree, I didn't bother to use the old form manager > because the values it remembered were in most cases not things I need > to enter often enough in we

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Phillip Jones
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 2/24/2010 5:57 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, and so forth. From what I can tell, yo

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Phillip Jones
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: See shows how thin skinned you are. I thought I was. The only criticism I have of the progress window *in the download manager* is they are exactly half the size they should be. They were just a few comments about the progress bars but then they died awa

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Phillip Jones
ither more productive or happier. That said, Phil Chee is a prince among men for giving us a usable form manager extension. Yes he needs to elevated to lead Mozilla Developer. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T."If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread JAS
Bill Davidsen wrote: > Robert Kaiser wrote: >> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>> It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push >>> hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, >>> and >>> so forth. >> >> Right, but when people place you as the destructor o

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Mark Hansen
On 2/24/2010 2:52 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > If you're looking for appreciation, it's in the dictionary, between apathy > and > asinine. > I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here. It sounds so terrible, that I have to wonder if I'm missing something. Perhaps you can clarify?

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, and so forth. Right, but when people place you as the destructor of SeaMonkey, and tel

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Bill Davidsen
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 2/24/2010 5:57 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, and so forth. From what I can tell,

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Bill Davidsen
uctive or happier. That said, Phil Chee is a prince among men for giving us a usable form manager extension. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot _

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Bill Davidsen
up? From all the threads I've read here, the response to complaints about the forms manager has been: -- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there now, so continuing to use the old for form manager requires coding the is specific to SeaMonkey. -- There was not enough r

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
On 2/24/2010 5:57 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, and so forth. From what I can tell, you've done a lot of good with

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Bill Davidsen
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, and so forth. From what I can tell, you've done a lot of good with the new version, but every user has his own

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Bill Davidsen
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, and so forth. Right, but when people place you as the destructor of SeaMonkey, and tell you that your only g

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Robert Kaiser
Phillip Jones wrote: See shows how thin skinned you are. I thought I was. The only criticism I have of the progress window *in the download manager* is they are exactly half the size they should be. They were just a few comments about the progress bars but then they died away. And the Criticism w

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Phillip Jones
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, and so forth. Right, but when people place you as the destructor of SeaMonkey, and tell you that your only go

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Phillip Jones
've read here, the response to complaints about the forms manager has been: -- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there now, so continuing to use the old for form manager requires coding the is specific to SeaMonkey. -- There was not enough resources to code the SeaMonk

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Mr. Cheese
Rick Merrill wrote: I really love the new sort of fill-in-the-blank technique. It takes a little getting used to because at first all you see is the blank entry on the form. But as soon as you type the first letter the pull down list of choice appears. This is great for managing both login userna

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Robert Kaiser
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, and so forth. From what I can tell, you've done a lot of good with the new version, but every user has his own set of priorities as t

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Robert Kaiser
're just happily using their browsers. I find the current behavior *much* preferable to the old. You meant "people who like it" and not "people who don't like it", I guess. ;-) In any case, I agree, I didn't bother to use the old form manager because the values

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Phillip Jones
»Q« wrote: In, Phillip Jones wrote: »Q« wrote: In, Bill Davidsen wrote: Well this is the very first and only person I have every met who actually /likes/ the new crippled forms manager.

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Robert Kaiser
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's a fine line to walk when lobbying for change -- you have to push hard enough, but not too hard, give credit, but not too much credit, and so forth. Right, but when people place you as the destructor of SeaMonkey, and tell you that your only goal is to fight off us

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Benoit Renard
lem. * That's not the point. Just because someone disagrees with you about a feature, doesn't mean they're joking. * Could you please link me to where you were told to shut up? From all the threads I've read here, the response to complaints about the forms manager has been

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Jay Garcia
ogrammer, so I can't solve the >>>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> * That's not the point. Just because someone disagrees with you about >>>>>> a feature, doesn't mean they're joking. >>>>>>

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Daniel
e, the response to complaints about the forms manager has been: -- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there now, so continuing to use the old for form manager requires coding the is specific to SeaMonkey. -- There was not enough resources to code the SeaMonkey form manager in

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
e, the response to complaints about the forms manager has been: -- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there now, so continuing to use the old for form manager requires coding the is specific to SeaMonkey. -- There was not enough resources to code the SeaMonkey form manager in

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread »Q«
In , Phillip Jones wrote: > »Q« wrote: > > In, > > Bill Davidsen wrote: > > > >> Well this is the very first and only person I have every met who > >> actually /likes/ the new crippled forms m

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread Chris Ilias
complaints about the forms manager has been: -- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there now, so continuing to use the old for form manager requires coding the is specific to SeaMonkey. -- There was not enough resources to code the SeaMonkey form manager in 2.0, but we'd

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
lem. * That's not the point. Just because someone disagrees with you about a feature, doesn't mean they're joking. * Could you please link me to where you were told to shut up? From all the threads I've read here, the response to complaints about the forms manager has been

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread Phillip Jones
»Q« wrote: In, Bill Davidsen wrote: Well this is the very first and only person I have every met who actually /likes/ the new crippled forms manager. People who don't like it don't come to a support forum about it; they're just happily using

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread Chris Ilias
not the point. Just because someone disagrees with you about a feature, doesn't mean they're joking. * Could you please link me to where you were told to shut up? From all the threads I've read here, the response to complaints about the forms manager has been: -- The Form manager in

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's probably not news to you that after a month of bitching and kvetching from all sides, some developers reached the end of their ropes and started sounding exasperated. Who would not after tons of bitching? It's a fine line to walk when lobb

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread »Q«
In , Bill Davidsen wrote: > Well this is the very first and only person I have every met who > actually /likes/ the new crippled forms manager. People who don't like it don't come to a support forum about it; they're just happily using their bro

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread Phillip Jones
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's probably not news to you that after a month of bitching and kvetching from all sides, some developers reached the end of their ropes and started sounding exasperated. Who would not after tons of bitching? Robert Kaiser well they didn't real

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread Robert Kaiser
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: It's probably not news to you that after a month of bitching and kvetching from all sides, some developers reached the end of their ropes and started sounding exasperated. Who would not after tons of bitching? Robert Kaiser _

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread Bill Davidsen
Evan Davidson wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Think an order form where you have six offices where things are sent and the recipient's name, address, phone, and billing info are SETS of values rather than unrelated alternate values for each field. Check out the Autofill Forms extension on Phi

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-23 Thread Bill Davidsen
Evan Davidson wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: I really love the new sort of fill-in-the-blank technique. It takes a little getting used to because at first all you see is the blank entry on the form. But as soon as you type the first letter the pull down list of choice appears

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