Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Arnie Goetchius]

stan wrote:
> Mozilla User wrote:
>> First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to track my 
>> packages through USPS
>> using SeaMonkey.
>>
>> When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
>> Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated browsers. To 
>> continue access, you
>> may need to upgrade your browser. Read more ›
>>
>> :(
>>
>> I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are about to 
>> come to an end. I
>> loved the idea of it and have been a loyal user for about 15 years, but now 
>> I guess I need to
>> switch to FireFox. It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between 
>> browsers for certain
>> websites. I like having one browser for everything.
>>
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>>
> For me USPS works a OK, however, PayPal is asking for other browser as of 
> today.
> May HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
> Firefox/52.0
> SeaMonkey/2.49.3
I get into PayPal with the following User Agent:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.3
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[stan]

NFN Smith wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:
Just wanted to let the group know that I found myself totally unable 
to complete a customs form on the USPS website on Monday.  I wound up 
having to physically fill one out at the local post office to get my 
package sent.


This is impacting more that SeaMonkey, I was unable to do so with the 
CURRENT FireFox and Google Chrome either here on my linux mint 18.3 
x64 system!  I can only assume that their snooping is not happy with 
linux browsers.


I assume that at some point I could spoof a user agent string that 
will make USPS happy, but this is getting ridiculous when current 
releases of major browsers are not being supported simply because 
they are linux releases.



One related note --

If you're having problems with a site, where you end up spoofing your 
UA string, and then you have continued problems with the site, it may 
not be just the UA that's causing problems.


Take a moment to clear your cache then restart Seamonkey.  A clean 
cache can really help.


Smith


Thanks, very helpful, it fixed my problem with the PayPal
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[cmcadams]

 Mr. Ed  wrote:

On 06/14/18 2:57 PM, cmcadams wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to track my 
packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated browsers. To 
continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are about to come 
to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal user for about 15 years, 
but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. It's just a pain in the neck to keep 
switching between browsers for certain websites. I like having one browser for 
everything.




Just wanted to let the group know that I found myself totally unable to complete a 
customs form on the USPS website on Monday.  I wound up having to physically fill 
one out at the local post office to get my package sent.


This is impacting more that SeaMonkey, I was unable to do so with the CURRENT 
FireFox and Google Chrome either here on my linux mint 18.3 x64 system!  I can 
only assume that their snooping is not happy with linux browsers.


I assume that at some point I could spoof a user agent string that will make USPS 
happy, but this is getting ridiculous when current releases of major browsers are 
not being supported simply because they are linux releases.


Dave


For what it's worth, my UA string for USPS is spoofed as

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0

and when the same (red) message appears I click on "Read more" and it tells me I am 
virtuous and everything is ducky. No functional problems, but I haven't tried to do 
much on USPS lately.




Logged into my account using the string:

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.4



On the line that says they are not going to support out of date browsers, I clicked 
on the "read more" line and got:



  Good news — your browser is up to date.

You can continue to access all USPS.com features with your current browser 
version.

Thank you for using USPS.com!

So it looks like they DO support SeaMonkey.

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Sneaky or honest, whatever gets you in. I'm not a strict constructionist when it 
comes to UA strings.


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[ Mr . Ed ]

  
  
On 06/14/18 2:57 PM, cmcadams wrote:

David H.
  Durgee wrote:
  
  Mozilla User wrote:

First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I
  will soon no longer be able to track my packages through USPS
  using SeaMonkey.
  
  
  When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
  
  Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support
  outdated browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade
  your browser. Read more ›
  
  
  :(
  
  
  I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey
  are about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have
  been a loyal user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need
  to switch to FireFox. It's just a pain in the neck to keep
  switching between browsers for certain websites. I like having
  one browser for everything.
  
  


Just wanted to let the group know that I found myself totally
unable to complete a customs form on the USPS website on
Monday.  I wound up having to physically fill one out at the
local post office to get my package sent.


This is impacting more that SeaMonkey, I was unable to do so
with the CURRENT FireFox and Google Chrome either here on my
linux mint 18.3 x64 system!  I can only assume that their
snooping is not happy with linux browsers.


I assume that at some point I could spoof a user agent string
that will make USPS happy, but this is getting ridiculous when
current releases of major browsers are not being supported
simply because they are linux releases.


Dave

  
  
  For what it's worth, my UA string for USPS is spoofed as
  
  
  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101
  Firefox/59.0
  
  
  and when the same (red) message appears I click on "Read more" and
  it tells me I am virtuous and everything is ducky. No functional
  problems, but I haven't tried to do much on USPS lately.
  
  


Logged into my account using the string:
  

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.4


  On the line that says they are not going to support out of
  date browsers, I clicked on the "read more" line and got:
  

  
Good news — your browser is
up to date.
 
You can continue to access all USPS.com
features with your current browser version.
 
Thank you for using USPS.com!
  
So it looks like
  they DO support SeaMonkey.
  
  

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[cmcadams]

David H. Durgee wrote:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to track my 
packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated browsers. To 
continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are about to come to 
an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal user for about 15 years, but 
now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. It's just a pain in the neck to keep 
switching between browsers for certain websites. I like having one browser for 
everything.




Just wanted to let the group know that I found myself totally unable to complete a 
customs form on the USPS website on Monday.  I wound up having to physically fill one 
out at the local post office to get my package sent.


This is impacting more that SeaMonkey, I was unable to do so with the CURRENT FireFox 
and Google Chrome either here on my linux mint 18.3 x64 system!  I can only assume 
that their snooping is not happy with linux browsers.


I assume that at some point I could spoof a user agent string that will make USPS 
happy, but this is getting ridiculous when current releases of major browsers are not 
being supported simply because they are linux releases.


Dave


For what it's worth, my UA string for USPS is spoofed as

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0

and when the same (red) message appears I click on "Read more" and it tells me I am 
virtuous and everything is ducky. No functional problems, but I haven't tried to do 
much on USPS lately.


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[NFN Smith]

David H. Durgee wrote:
Just wanted to let the group know that I found myself totally unable to 
complete a customs form on the USPS website on Monday.  I wound up 
having to physically fill one out at the local post office to get my 
package sent.


This is impacting more that SeaMonkey, I was unable to do so with the 
CURRENT FireFox and Google Chrome either here on my linux mint 18.3 x64 
system!  I can only assume that their snooping is not happy with linux 
browsers.


I assume that at some point I could spoof a user agent string that will 
make USPS happy, but this is getting ridiculous when current releases of 
major browsers are not being supported simply because they are linux 
releases.



One related note --

If you're having problems with a site, where you end up spoofing your UA 
string, and then you have continued problems with the site, it may not 
be just the UA that's causing problems.


Take a moment to clear your cache then restart Seamonkey.  A clean cache 
can really help.


Smith

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[stan]

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal 
user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. 
It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for 
certain websites. I like having one browser for everything.


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For me USPS works a OK, however, PayPal is asking for other browser as 
of today.
May HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.3

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[stan]

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal 
user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. 
It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for 
certain websites. I like having one browser for everything.


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For me USPS works fine, however, PayPal stop accepting SM on Windows 10 
just today.

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[WaltS48]

On 6/13/18 4:15 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 06/13/2018 09:21 AM, David H. Durgee wrote:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal 
user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. 
It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for 
certain websites. I like having one browser for everything.




Just wanted to let the group know that I found myself totally unable 
to complete a customs form on the USPS website on Monday.  I wound up 
having to physically fill one out at the local post office to get my 
package sent.


This is impacting more that SeaMonkey, I was unable to do so with the 
CURRENT FireFox and Google Chrome either here on my linux mint 18.3 
x64 system!  I can only assume that their snooping is not happy with 
linux browsers.


I assume that at some point I could spoof a user agent string that 
will make USPS happy, but this is getting ridiculous when current 
releases of major browsers are not being supported simply because they 
are linux releases.


Dave


Does USPS know there is a problem?
IOW have *YOU* told the Postmaster General that there is a problem?

About 50 years ago I observed USPS vehicles driven in an 
improper/illegal manner. I complained to local Postmaster. I was 
effectively told "Go jump in the lake!" After all I WAS a college 
student and Cayuga Lake was convenient. Email not having been invented, 
I sent a "snail mail" letter to the Postmaster General. It got a prompt 
response from state/regional/local administrators. The local postmaster 
then stated "there was no problem" BUT "he would meet with me at *MY* 
personal convenience. I declined as I had observed USPS drivers no 
longer doing "bad things".


Depends on the vehicle, but my mailman drives a mail vehicle with the 
steering wheel on the right hand side of the vehicle, so he can drive 
down streets in the correct lane and put the mail in street side mailboxes.


Maybe the one you saw was driving in an improper/illegal manner because 
they had to put the mail in mailboxes on the opposite side of the street 
and his steering wheel was on the left.


Thank you for notifying the Postmaster General that there is a problem 
with using the SeaMonkey browser on their website and being part of the 
solution. 



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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/13/2018 09:21 AM, David H. Durgee wrote:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal 
user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. 
It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for 
certain websites. I like having one browser for everything.




Just wanted to let the group know that I found myself totally unable to 
complete a customs form on the USPS website on Monday.  I wound up 
having to physically fill one out at the local post office to get my 
package sent.


This is impacting more that SeaMonkey, I was unable to do so with the 
CURRENT FireFox and Google Chrome either here on my linux mint 18.3 x64 
system!  I can only assume that their snooping is not happy with linux 
browsers.


I assume that at some point I could spoof a user agent string that will 
make USPS happy, but this is getting ridiculous when current releases of 
major browsers are not being supported simply because they are linux 
releases.


Dave


Does USPS know there is a problem?
IOW have *YOU* told the Postmaster General that there is a problem?

About 50 years ago I observed USPS vehicles driven in an 
improper/illegal manner. I complained to local Postmaster. I was 
effectively told "Go jump in the lake!" After all I WAS a college 
student and Cayuga Lake was convenient. Email not having been invented, 
I sent a "snail mail" letter to the Postmaster General. It got a prompt 
response from state/regional/local administrators. The local postmaster 
then stated "there was no problem" BUT "he would meet with me at *MY* 
personal convenience. I declined as I had observed USPS drivers no 
longer doing "bad things".


IN OTHER WORDS
"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!"



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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[David H. Durgee]

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read 
more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are about 
to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal user for 
about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. It's just a 
pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for certain 
websites. I like having one browser for everything.




Just wanted to let the group know that I found myself totally unable to 
complete a customs form on the USPS website on Monday.  I wound up 
having to physically fill one out at the local post office to get my 
package sent.


This is impacting more that SeaMonkey, I was unable to do so with the 
CURRENT FireFox and Google Chrome either here on my linux mint 18.3 x64 
system!  I can only assume that their snooping is not happy with linux 
browsers.


I assume that at some point I could spoof a user agent string that will 
make USPS happy, but this is getting ridiculous when current releases of 
major browsers are not being supported simply because they are linux 
releases.


Dave
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey (missing scanned mail images)

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On 4/25/2018 11:56 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
...
OK, that's weird/odd. I restarted my SM and retried. It now works. I 
have NO idea why that happened! :/


Probably because you cleared private data automatically on shutdown. 
Settings for this feature at Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | 
Private Data.


I don't have SM to autoclear at shutdown. :/
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey (missing scanned mail images)

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Ant wrote:

On 4/25/2018 10:28 AM, Ant wrote:

On 4/25/2018 10:24 AM, Ant wrote:
Hmm, I'm currently not seeing any scanned images in my SeaMonkey 
v2.49.2 web browser in 
https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/secure/DashboardAction_input.action?restart=1. 
It was fine yesterday and before. What about the rest of you? It's 
not even end of April yet! :/


Thank you in advance. :)


Also, it worked fine in my 64-bit W7's IE11 web browser. Enabling send 
referer, disablong uBlock Origin, and changing user agent (Firefox, 
IE11, etc.) didn't help.


OK, that's weird/odd. I restarted my SM and retried. It now works. I 
have NO idea why that happened! :/


Probably because you cleared private data automatically on shutdown. 
Settings for this feature at Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | 
Private Data.


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey (missing scanned mail images)

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Ant wrote on 25/04/2018 19:24:
Hmm, I'm currently not seeing any scanned images in my SeaMonkey v2.49.2 
web browser in 
https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/secure/DashboardAction_input.action?restart=1. 
It was fine yesterday and before. What about the rest of you? It's not 
even end of April yet! :/


Thank you in advance. :)


It works fine for me, I am on v2.49.1

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey (missing scanned mail images)

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On 4/25/2018 10:28 AM, Ant wrote:

On 4/25/2018 10:24 AM, Ant wrote:
Hmm, I'm currently not seeing any scanned images in my SeaMonkey 
v2.49.2 web browser in 
https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/secure/DashboardAction_input.action?restart=1. 
It was fine yesterday and before. What about the rest of you? It's not 
even end of April yet! :/


Thank you in advance. :)


Also, it worked fine in my 64-bit W7's IE11 web browser. Enabling send 
referer, disablong uBlock Origin, and changing user agent (Firefox, 
IE11, etc.) didn't help.


OK, that's weird/odd. I restarted my SM and retried. It now works. I 
have NO idea why that happened! :/

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey (missing scanned mail images)

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On 4/25/2018 10:24 AM, Ant wrote:
Hmm, I'm currently not seeing any scanned images in my SeaMonkey v2.49.2 
web browser in 
https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/secure/DashboardAction_input.action?restart=1. 
It was fine yesterday and before. What about the rest of you? It's not 
even end of April yet! :/


Thank you in advance. :)


Also, it worked fine in my 64-bit W7's IE11 web browser. Enabling send 
referer, disablong uBlock Origin, and changing user agent (Firefox, 
IE11, etc.) didn't help.

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey (missing scanned mail images)

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Hmm, I'm currently not seeing any scanned images in my SeaMonkey v2.49.2 
web browser in 
https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/secure/DashboardAction_input.action?restart=1. 
It was fine yesterday and before. What about the rest of you? It's not 
even end of April yet! :/


Thank you in advance. :)
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Jonathan N. Little wrote:


Mozilla User wrote:


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


Strange thing is if you click the READ MORE link in the warning banner 
you get this page with this message



Good news — your browser is up to date.
...


Now there is a head-scratcher for you...


Not for me. The alert says you MAY need to upgrade your browser, not you 
WILL need to upgrade your browser.


But what they really should do is run the test silently on the front 
page, instead of scaring you into activating it. Then only those on 
their $#!+ list get the nag.


I've seen enough dysfunctional websites over the years that one more 
doesn't surprise me.


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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On 4/23/2018 6:26 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(



Strange thing is if you click the READ MORE link in the warning banner 
you get this page with this message



Good news — your browser is up to date.

You can continue to access all USPS.com features with your current 
browser version.


Thank you for using USPS.com!


Now there is a head-scratcher for you...

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.2


We'll just have to wait until the end of this month to see what the 
final truth is. :(

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Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read 
more ›


:(



Strange thing is if you click the READ MORE link in the warning banner 
you get this page with this message



Good news — your browser is up to date.

You can continue to access all USPS.com features with your current 
browser version.


Thank you for using USPS.com!


Now there is a head-scratcher for you...

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Mozilla User wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/17/18 5:55 PM, Mozilla User wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

User Agent Switcher and PrefBar


How do I get User Agent Switcher and PrefBar installed on SeaMonkey? 
They tell me it's incompatible my with version of SeaMonkey, which is 
2.49.2. As a matter of fact 98.2% of the add-ons in the add-on page 
are greyed out and incompatible.





First you need to install the AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension.

 



Then do a search which should turn up an outdated version that will work.

SeaMonkey does not support the new web extensions that work with Firefox.

  I installed AMO browsing, but User Agent still doesnt work. How is 
everyone else able to use it?


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I got it working up converting the outdated extension at 
http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/


User Agent now works.
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/17/18 5:55 PM, Mozilla User wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

User Agent Switcher and PrefBar


How do I get User Agent Switcher and PrefBar installed on SeaMonkey? 
They tell me it's incompatible my with version of SeaMonkey, which is 
2.49.2. As a matter of fact 98.2% of the add-ons in the add-on page 
are greyed out and incompatible.





First you need to install the AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension.

 



Then do a search which should turn up an outdated version that will work.

SeaMonkey does not support the new web extensions that work with Firefox.

 I installed AMO browsing, but User Agent still doesnt work. How is 
everyone else able to use it?


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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On 4/17/18 5:55 PM, Mozilla User wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

User Agent Switcher and PrefBar


How do I get User Agent Switcher and PrefBar installed on SeaMonkey? 
They tell me it's incompatible my with version of SeaMonkey, which is 
2.49.2. As a matter of fact 98.2% of the add-ons in the add-on page are 
greyed out and incompatible.





First you need to install the AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension.



Then do a search which should turn up an outdated version that will work.

SeaMonkey does not support the new web extensions that work with Firefox.

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Ray_Net wrote:

User Agent Switcher and PrefBar


How do I get User Agent Switcher and PrefBar installed on SeaMonkey? 
They tell me it's incompatible my with version of SeaMonkey, which is 
2.49.2. As a matter of fact 98.2% of the add-ons in the add-on page are 
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Lee]

On 4/16/18, Desiree  wrote:
> On 4/15/2018 7:54 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
>> Ant via support-seamonkey composed on 2018-04-15 22:47 (UTC-0700):
>>
>>> Well, unsupported doesn't always mean blocked. Also, what about Firefox
>>> ESR versions? :/
>>
>> Same moronic limitation with FF ESR52, but
>>
>>  general.useragent.override.usps.com
>>
>> containing:
>>
>>  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows > NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Firefox/59.0");
>>
>> or similar showing a sufficiently newer than 52.0 version works.
>>
> I entered in about:config:
>
> general.useragent.override.usps.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64;
> x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0
>
> This works fine for Basilisk 2018.03.21 (x64) and SeaMonkey.  On Fx
> 52.7.3 ESR, it does not work on either Windows 10 Pro (1709) or Windows
> 8.0 Pro.

That capability was removed years ago in Firefox.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=933959#c2
 Comment 2 • 5 years ago

We intentionally don't initialize the UserAgentOverrides module on
desktop anymore. If you want to use it, you need an add-on for that.


note that general.useragent.override still works - it's the ability to
do a site specific override that the ff devs removed

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Desiree]

On 4/15/2018 7:54 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Ant via support-seamonkey composed on 2018-04-15 22:47 (UTC-0700):

Well, unsupported doesn't always mean blocked. Also, what about Firefox 
ESR versions? :/ 


Same moronic limitation with FF ESR52, but

general.useragent.override.usps.com

containing:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows > NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/59.0");

or similar showing a sufficiently newer than 52.0 version works.


I entered in about:config:

general.useragent.override.usps.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; 
x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0


This works fine for Basilisk 2018.03.21 (x64) and SeaMonkey.  On Fx 
52.7.3 ESR, it does not work on either Windows 10 Pro (1709) or Windows 
8.0 Pro.

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Paul B. Gallagher]

NFN Smith wrote:

For spoofing (and I do it a lot, for a number of reasons), my preference 
is to use an extension.  User Agent Switcher and PrefBar are both quite 
workable. Personally, I find PrefBar a little easier to use, and I also 
like some of the additional capacities that PrefBar gives me.


To me, the key thing about using an extension is that it allows me to 
change user agents on the fly, and then switch back to the standard one 
when the need has passed.  Besides the noted effect on user agent 
handling in the mail client, I sometimes may spoof more than one agent 
at a particular site -- I have an archive of downloaded software that I 
use for tech support, and some sites are aggressive about doing browser 
sniffing for what platform you're running, and then offering *only* the 
download that matches what they find.  Thus, running from Windows, if I 
want Mac or Linux versions, I have to spoof the UA.  UA spoofing is also 
good for testing my web site, particularly in verifying that the site is 
correctly rejecting bot traffic that displays UAs from browsers that 
were never valid -- on my site, I see a lot of traffic purporting to be 
from "Firefox 40.1".


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Ray_Net]

NFN Smith wrote on 16-04-18 20:11:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages

through USPS using SeaMonkey.

When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue

access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read more ›





Add a new UA string.
My SM works just fine.  YouTube works, YahooMail works.
More than likely my SM will continue to work with USPS.
I sent a package last week and have been tracking it.
I don't get the message that you get.



I checked the offered link, which leads to 
https://www.usps.com/browser-check/.  On that, the oldest Mozilla 
browser listed is 58.0.1 -- not even 57.0.  Thus, it means that 
Firefox 52 ESR isn't going to be supported, either.


A couple of considerations on spoofing:

- If you spoof the browser, it also changes the User Agent heading in 
the email.  I use the Display Mail User Agent extension, and Paul, 
your posting shows that it was done with Firefox, rather than a mail 
client.


- The standard UA string for Seamonkey 2.49.2 is:

   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.2


I suspect that if you change this string to show "Firefox/59.0", 
that's probably enough to make the warning go away. It's likely that 
the sniffing is only looking for the specific Firefox version, and 
ignoring the rest of the string, including that you're actually 
running Seamonkey.


For spoofing, it's certainly possible to change the settings in 
prefs.js or user.js, although I'm not sure what the effect would be if 
you prefs.js, and then upgrade to a later version of Seamonkey. It's 
likely that you may have to edit, to reflect the newer version.


For spoofing (and I do it a lot, for a number of reasons), my 
preference is to use an extension.  User Agent Switcher and PrefBar 
are both quite workable. Personally, I find PrefBar a little easier to 
use, and I also like some of the additional capacities that PrefBar 
gives me.


To me, the key thing about using an extension is that it allows me to 
change user agents on the fly, and then switch back to the standard 
one when the need has passed.  Besides the noted effect on user agent 
handling in the mail client, I sometimes may spoof more than one agent 
at a particular site -- I have an archive of downloaded software that 
I use for tech support, and some sites are aggressive about doing 
browser sniffing for what platform you're running, and then offering 
*only* the download that matches what they find.  Thus, running from 
Windows, if I want Mac or Linux versions, I have to spoof the UA.  UA 
spoofing is also good for testing my web site, particularly in 
verifying that the site is correctly rejecting bot traffic that 
displays UAs from browsers that were never valid -- on my site, I see 
a lot of traffic purporting to be from "Firefox 40.1".


Smith


It's more simple to have the latest FireFox installed on my pc, So when 
I have problem with SM, I jump into FireFox ... and all goes well ...

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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On 2018-04-16 9:47 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/15/18 9:21 PM, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


The Firefox browser works here. Y'all enjoy your problems.


Sure, everybody knows Firefox is where all the cool kids are. All 
those folks doing their best to steer clear must just be nuts.


No, the compatible versions of Firefox, Chrome, Edge, IE11 and Safari 
are where all the modern web features are supported.


You may be able to fool the site with a fake UA, but will the site 
display properly in a browser that doesn't support those features.


It would have been nice if the USPS had listed what features will no 
longer be compatible.


It baffles me that they are not aware of Firefox ESR and supporting that 
browser.


It's important to remember that this is a support forum. The point is to 
help cmcadams get his problem solved, so he can continue to the use the 
browser he wants to use without problems. Comments like "Y'all enjoy 
your problems" are not helpful, and in my opinion, trolling.


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[NFN Smith]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages

through USPS using SeaMonkey.

When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue

access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read more ›





Add a new UA string.
My SM works just fine.  YouTube works, YahooMail works.
More than likely my SM will continue to work with USPS.
I sent a package last week and have been tracking it.
I don't get the message that you get.



I checked the offered link, which leads to 
https://www.usps.com/browser-check/.  On that, the oldest Mozilla 
browser listed is 58.0.1 -- not even 57.0.  Thus, it means that Firefox 
52 ESR isn't going to be supported, either.


A couple of considerations on spoofing:

- If you spoof the browser, it also changes the User Agent heading in 
the email.  I use the Display Mail User Agent extension, and Paul, your 
posting shows that it was done with Firefox, rather than a mail client.


- The standard UA string for Seamonkey 2.49.2 is:   

   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.2


I suspect that if you change this string to show "Firefox/59.0", that's 
probably enough to make the warning go away. It's likely that the 
sniffing is only looking for the specific Firefox version, and ignoring 
the rest of the string, including that you're actually running Seamonkey.


For spoofing, it's certainly possible to change the settings in prefs.js 
or user.js, although I'm not sure what the effect would be if you 
prefs.js, and then upgrade to a later version of Seamonkey. It's likely 
that you may have to edit, to reflect the newer version.


For spoofing (and I do it a lot, for a number of reasons), my preference 
is to use an extension.  User Agent Switcher and PrefBar are both quite 
workable. Personally, I find PrefBar a little easier to use, and I also 
like some of the additional capacities that PrefBar gives me.


To me, the key thing about using an extension is that it allows me to 
change user agents on the fly, and then switch back to the standard one 
when the need has passed.  Besides the noted effect on user agent 
handling in the mail client, I sometimes may spoof more than one agent 
at a particular site -- I have an archive of downloaded software that I 
use for tech support, and some sites are aggressive about doing browser 
sniffing for what platform you're running, and then offering *only* the 
download that matches what they find.  Thus, running from Windows, if I 
want Mac or Linux versions, I have to spoof the UA.  UA spoofing is also 
good for testing my web site, particularly in verifying that the site is 
correctly rejecting bot traffic that displays UAs from browsers that 
were never valid -- on my site, I see a lot of traffic purporting to be 
from "Firefox 40.1".


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Ray_Net]

cmcadams wrote on 16-04-18 08:36:

Ray_Net wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote on 15-04-18 17:16:
On 4/15/2018 at 2:22 AM, Mozilla User created this epitome of 
digital genius:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a 
loyal user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to 
FireFox. It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between 
browsers for certain websites. I like having one browser for 
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Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");


That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites 
which is good as it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.




Webmasters are not interested about SeaMonkey .. they ignore it and 
did not care about it.


My experience too. I'd point webmasters to someplace like 
geckoisgecko.org and they couldn't possibly have cared less.


What features does Seamonkey possess, precisely, that make it 
NECESSARY to tell them that it's Seamonkey, and not Firefox? If none, 
then it's just causing a lot of unnecessary trouble. The job of the UA 
string becomes to get our users in the door, and nothing else.


So, what is the latest FF version that SM can cover without technical 
hiccups? THAT should be our default UA string.



"THAT should be our default UA string" but the SeaMonkey developpers 
will NEVER accept this fact ... they are in their ivory-tower.

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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>> IE11 ...are where all the modern web features are supported.

This was a good one :)

> It would have been nice if the USPS had listed what features will no longer be
> compatible.

Probably none with IE11 and Safari listed. They just picked an arbitrary 
recent number for Fx.


FRG

WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/15/18 9:21 PM, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/15/18 3:50 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Felix Miata wrote:

Ed Mullen composed on 2018-04-15 11:16 (UTC-0400):


Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:



user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows
NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");



That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites which
is good as it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.


Actual UA:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.2

Using for general.useragent.override.usps.com:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/50.0 or
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/59.0


First string doesn't work, second does, here.



The Firefox browser works here. Y'all enjoy your problems.



Sure, everybody knows Firefox is where all the cool kids are. All those 
folks doing their best to steer clear must just be nuts.





No, the compatible versions of Firefox, Chrome, Edge, IE11 and Safari are 
where all the modern web features are supported.


You may be able to fool the site with a fake UA, but will the site display 
properly in a browser that doesn't support those features.


It would have been nice if the USPS had listed what features will no longer be 
compatible.


It baffles me that they are not aware of Firefox ESR and supporting that 
browser.



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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[WaltS48]

On 4/15/18 9:21 PM, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/15/18 3:50 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Felix Miata wrote:

Ed Mullen composed on 2018-04-15 11:16 (UTC-0400):


Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:



user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows
NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");


That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites 
which

is good as it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.


Actual UA:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.2


Using for general.useragent.override.usps.com:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/50.0 or
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/59.0


First string doesn't work, second does, here.



The Firefox browser works here. Y'all enjoy your problems.



Sure, everybody knows Firefox is where all the cool kids are. All those 
folks doing their best to steer clear must just be nuts.





No, the compatible versions of Firefox, Chrome, Edge, IE11 and Safari 
are where all the modern web features are supported.


You may be able to fool the site with a fake UA, but will the site 
display properly in a browser that doesn't support those features.


It would have been nice if the USPS had listed what features will no 
longer be compatible.


It baffles me that they are not aware of Firefox ESR and supporting that 
browser.



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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Ant via support-seamonkey]

On 4/15/2018 11:12 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 15-04-18 17:03:

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 15-04-18 12:32:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a 
loyal user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to 
FireFox. It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between 
browsers for certain websites. I like having one browser for 
everything.


USPS says they require versions 59, 58.0.1 of Firefox. Easily done 
-- just lie to them (spoof FF by changing your user agent string). 
Lots of ways to do it if you want to, just ask around.



SO the best and esay way id that SM MUST, BY DEFAULT, use this UAstring
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0

instead tof this UAstring:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1


THEREFORE ALL PROBLEMS about supported browsers WILL DISSAPEAR 

Because the browser engine IS FireFox AND NOT SeaMonkey.


We're right here, we can hear you fine, no need to SHOUT.

Since they require Firefox version 58.0.1 or above, I doubt that 
saying "Firefox/52.0" will work. That's why I suggested a user agent 
switcher.


Ok,yes, but the problem is because SM did not follow FireFox rapidly 
enough ...


Yep, and SM is having big blocker here like in its 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-04-08 web page.  :(


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Ray_Net wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote on 15-04-18 17:16:

On 4/15/2018 at 2:22 AM, Mozilla User created this epitome of digital genius:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to track my 
packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated browsers. To 
continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are about to come 
to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal user for about 15 years, 
but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. It's just a pain in the neck to keep 
switching between browsers for certain websites. I like having one browser for 
everything.


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Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; 
Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");


That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites which is good as 
it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.




Webmasters are not interested about SeaMonkey .. they ignore it and did not care 
about it.


My experience too. I'd point webmasters to someplace like geckoisgecko.org and they 
couldn't possibly have cared less.


What features does Seamonkey possess, precisely, that make it NECESSARY to tell them 
that it's Seamonkey, and not Firefox? If none, then it's just causing a lot of 
unnecessary trouble. The job of the UA string becomes to get our users in the door, 
and nothing else.


So, what is the latest FF version that SM can cover without technical hiccups? THAT 
should be our default UA string.



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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Ed Mullen wrote on 15-04-18 17:16:
On 4/15/2018 at 2:22 AM, Mozilla User created this epitome of digital 
genius:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal 
user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. 
It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for 
certain websites. I like having one browser for everything.


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Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 
NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");


That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites 
which is good as it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.




Webmasters are not interested about SeaMonkey .. they ignore it and did 
not care about it.

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 15-04-18 17:03:

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 15-04-18 12:32:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a 
loyal user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to 
FireFox. It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between 
browsers for certain websites. I like having one browser for 
everything.


USPS says they require versions 59, 58.0.1 of Firefox. Easily done 
-- just lie to them (spoof FF by changing your user agent string). 
Lots of ways to do it if you want to, just ask around.



SO the best and esay way id that SM MUST, BY DEFAULT, use this UAstring
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0

instead tof this UAstring:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1


THEREFORE ALL PROBLEMS about supported browsers WILL DISSAPEAR 

Because the browser engine IS FireFox AND NOT SeaMonkey.


We're right here, we can hear you fine, no need to SHOUT.

Since they require Firefox version 58.0.1 or above, I doubt that 
saying "Firefox/52.0" will work. That's why I suggested a user agent 
switcher.


Ok,yes, but the problem is because SM did not follow FireFox rapidly 
enough ...

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Ant via support-seamonkey]

From its https://www.usps.com/browser-check/ link:

"... As of April 30, 2018, some features on USPS.com® will not be 
compatible with past versions of browsers. Upgrade your preferred 
browser to the most current version to have uninterrupted access and 
protect yourself with the latest security updates."


Some features. So, overall older web browsers will still work. I wonder 
what features will not work in them like SeaMonkey, older Firefox (e.g., 
ESR).



On 4/15/2018 10:47 PM, Ant wrote:
Well, unsupported doesn't always mean blocked. Also, what about Firefox 
ESR versions? :/



On 4/14/2018 11:22 PM, Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal 
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Ant via support-seamonkey composed on 2018-04-15 22:47 (UTC-0700):

> Well, unsupported doesn't always mean blocked. Also, what about Firefox 
> ESR versions? :/ 

Same moronic limitation with FF ESR52, but

general.useragent.override.usps.com

containing:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows > NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/59.0");

or similar showing a sufficiently newer than 52.0 version works.
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Well, unsupported doesn't always mean blocked. Also, what about Firefox 
ESR versions? :/



On 4/14/2018 11:22 PM, Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read 
more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are about 
to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal user for 
about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. It's just a 
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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On 4/15/2018 9:04 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0




The above does NOT work in Fx 52.7.3 ESR.  It works fine in Seamonkey 
and Basilisk 2018.03.21 (x64). (Basilisk is forked off Fx 55).


Clicking on "Read More" at USPS still gives me the warning about an 
outdated browser for Fx but using SeaMonkey and Basilisk I get 
Congratulations your browser is up to date.  User Agent Switcher is 
currently being rewritten for WebE and there is no updated list of user 
agents that includes Fx 59 in the XUL version I use on Fx 52.


You'd think the USPS would not be insulting Enterprise Fx 52 users as Fx 
52 ESR is supported by Mozilla through Aug 2018 (internal push of ver 62 
will not occur until Aug 29) so they are jumping the gun in removing 
support in April.


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/15/18 3:50 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Felix Miata wrote:

Ed Mullen composed on 2018-04-15 11:16 (UTC-0400):


Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:



user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows
NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");



That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites which
is good as it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.


Actual UA:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.2

Using for general.useragent.override.usps.com:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0 
or
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0


First string doesn't work, second does, here.



The Firefox browser works here. Y'all enjoy your problems.



Sure, everybody knows Firefox is where all the cool kids are. All those folks doing 
their best to steer clear must just be nuts.


For anyone wanting a simple mechanism for fixing Seamonkey's UA string problems, here 
is what the user.js file in my Profiles\[config_name].default directory now looks like:


user_pref("00_user.js.loaded", "user.js load failed");
# user_pref("general.useragent.override.chase.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; 
Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0");

user_pref("00_user.js.loaded", "yes");

1st and last lines are per David Ross, to whom thanks.

No line break in the UA string for line 2. The '#' at the beginning of line 2 
comments out the rest of the line (eg, won't be executed, because it has already run 
successfully). User.js is run every time Seamonkey starts, and you can verify this by 
going to about:config. The first item will normally be "00_user.js.loaded" set to 
yes, meaning that your user.js was seen. With no line 2, or with line 2 commented 
out, nothing is actually added to prefs.js, and that's OK, it does no harm run 
"empty" and it gives you a permanent template in place ready for the next annoying 
website.


When you have an un-commented out line 2 such as:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.chase.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; 
Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0");


where the chase.com can be replaced with any name of any other website giving you 
problems, that site will thereafter see only what you want them to see.



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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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On 4/15/18 3:50 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Felix Miata wrote:

Ed Mullen composed on 2018-04-15 11:16 (UTC-0400):


Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:



user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows
NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");



That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites which
is good as it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.


Actual UA:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.2

Using for general.useragent.override.usps.com:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/50.0 or
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/59.0


First string doesn't work, second does, here.



The Firefox browser works here. Y'all enjoy your problems.

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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Felix Miata wrote:

Ed Mullen composed on 2018-04-15 11:16 (UTC-0400):


Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:



user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows
NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");



That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites which
is good as it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.


Actual UA:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.2

Using for general.useragent.override.usps.com:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0 
or
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0


First string doesn't work, second does, here.
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Ed Mullen composed on 2018-04-15 11:16 (UTC-0400):

> Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:

> user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 
> NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");

> That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites which 
> is good as it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.

Actual UA:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.2

Using for general.useragent.override.usps.com:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0 
or
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0

and even after deleting cookies I still see:

Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated browsers. To
continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read more...

Until I click the read more link and see:

Good news — your browser is up to date.
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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On 4/15/2018 at 12:28 PM, WaltS48 created this epitome of digital genius:

On 4/15/18 11:16 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
On 4/15/2018 at 2:22 AM, Mozilla User created this epitome of digital 
genius:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal 
user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. 
It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for 
certain websites. I like having one browser for everything.






Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 
NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");


That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites 
which is good as it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.







I get the alert message actually using Firefox 50.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0

Clicking the Read More link informs the user that the site compatible 
versions are "Compatible Versions: 59, 58.0.1".




Even spoofing FF59 will get the initial red banner. If you click Read 
More you'll get this:



Good news — your browser is up to date.

You can continue to access all USPS.com features with your current 
browser version.


Thank you for using USPS.com!


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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On 4/15/18 11:16 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
On 4/15/2018 at 2:22 AM, Mozilla User created this epitome of digital 
genius:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal 
user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. 
It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for 
certain websites. I like having one browser for everything.






Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 
NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");


That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites which 
is good as it lets site owners know about SeaMoney.







I get the alert message actually using Firefox 50.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0

Clicking the Read More link informs the user that the site compatible 
versions are "Compatible Versions: 59, 58.0.1".


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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On 4/15/2018 at 2:22 AM, Mozilla User created this epitome of digital 
genius:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read 
more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are about 
to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal user for 
about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. It's just a 
pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for certain 
websites. I like having one browser for everything.


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Add this to your prefs.js file with SM  closed:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.usps.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 
NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/50.0");


That way you'll still be reporting as SeaMonkey on all other sites which 
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 15-04-18 12:32:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal 
user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. 
It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for 
certain websites. I like having one browser for everything.


USPS says they require versions 59, 58.0.1 of Firefox. Easily done -- 
just lie to them (spoof FF by changing your user agent string). Lots 
of ways to do it if you want to, just ask around.



SO the best and esay way id that SM MUST, BY DEFAULT, use this UAstring
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0

instead tof this UAstring:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1


THEREFORE ALL PROBLEMS about supported browsers WILL DISSAPEAR 

Because the browser engine IS FireFox AND NOT SeaMonkey.


We're right here, we can hear you fine, no need to SHOUT.

Since they require Firefox version 58.0.1 or above, I doubt that saying 
"Firefox/52.0" will work. That's why I suggested a user agent switcher.


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 15-04-18 12:32:

Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. 
Read more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are 
about to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal 
user for about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. 
It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for 
certain websites. I like having one browser for everything.


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USPS says they require versions 59, 58.0.1 of Firefox. Easily done -- 
just lie to them (spoof FF by changing your user agent string). Lots 
of ways to do it if you want to, just ask around.



SO the best and esay way id that SM MUST, BY DEFAULT, use this UAstring
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0

instead tof this UAstring:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1


THEREFORE ALL PROBLEMS about supported browsers WILL DISSAPEAR 

Because the browser engine IS FireFox AND NOT SeaMonkey.
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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

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Mozilla User wrote:
First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read 
more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are about 
to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal user for 
about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. It's just a 
pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for certain 
websites. I like having one browser for everything.


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USPS says they require versions 59, 58.0.1 of Firefox. Easily done -- 
just lie to them (spoof FF by changing your user agent string). Lots of 
ways to do it if you want to, just ask around.


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Re: USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Mozilla User wrote:

First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to track my 
packages
through USPS using SeaMonkey.

When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated browsers. To 
continue
access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read more ›

:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are about to 
come to an
end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal user for about 15 years, but 
now I guess
I need to switch to FireFox. It's just a pain in the neck to keep switching 
between
browsers for certain websites. I like having one browser for everything.

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Add a new UA string.
My SM works just fine.  YouTube works, YahooMail works.
More than likely my SM will continue to work with USPS.
I sent a package last week and have been tracking it.
I don't get the message that you get.
Please dump the virus spam advertising.

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USPS website will soon no longer support SeaMonkey

[Mozilla User]

First YouTube, then YahooMail, now I will soon no longer be able to 
track my packages through USPS using SeaMonkey.


When on the USPS using SeaMonkey, I get this message:
Alert: As of April 30, USPS.com will no longer support outdated 
browsers. To continue access, you may need to upgrade your browser. Read 
more ›


:(

I guess years of using the Mozilla Browser, and then SeaMonkey are about 
to come to an end. I loved the idea of it and have been a loyal user for 
about 15 years, but now I guess I need to switch to FireFox. It's just a 
pain in the neck to keep switching between browsers for certain 
websites. I like having one browser for everything.


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