Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
Dear Peggy It would take days to bridge gaps between the theoretical, the industry perspective, and the grossly different realities that stem from conflicts of interest, generally self interest between conservationists, industry shills (foresters), the industry players and the political machines. But you are obviously involved in forestry and I'm sure you have read hundreds of papers, proving things like 'thinning has reduced fire risk on the western slopes of Mt. Rushmore. I once received one from our state premier from the head of forestry (Tasmania) proving potash levels in soil to be several times higher after clearfelling and burning than it is in a pristine oldgrowth forest. Well hooray. I have no doubt it is true, but taken alone it allows for a kind of munchkinesque refutation of my own point, which was where had the rest of it gone from the whole system and how after another one or two more harvest sequences would there be enough to grow yet another forest? History and experience are maybe the only things we can really trust. Fly from Vancouver to San Francisco and look down from thirty thousand feet. The giant coniferous forests are gone, it looks like the whole world has been attacked by some mad barber, only about thirty percent of the clearcuts have anything of size on them. The tiny national parks stand like islands in the devastation. How is the salmon fishery going after the devastation of the streams they breed in? You know very well. You want to find out about pesticides? Well there must be some literature around on the yearly aerial spraying of organochlorides for spruce budworm in eastern Canada back in the sixties, (funny there was no great problem before the industry got involved), but that was before the blessed advent of triazines, organophosphates and synthetic pyrethroids which we are drinking here now because (and you will note I mentioned these things in reference to monoculture plantation forestry only.) otherwise the beetles breed up to fill the niche we created for them and want to take much of the yearly growth increment. The literature on Dominex says definitely not to be used within 20 metres of a stream or watercourse but how do you do that from a helicopter in the roaring forties where the stuff drifts for miles and where are our giant freshwater lobsters going not to mention smaller stream life and therefore fish? They are going fast and everybody knows it, you don't need to pay some monkey to write a paper. When the woodchippers came in to 'take the rubbish left on the forest floor' we didn't know they actually wanted nice stems, free of rot or charcoal, and now it seems natural forest doesn't produce enough for these guys - we have an industry to sustain. I've been working in the forest (salvage, sawmilling) for a good many years , seen it all, as for the highly selective literature the colleges push at you kids I just don't have the time. Best wishes Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:00 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees Hi George, How is it that both state forestry people and federal forestry people have a different view? It has been repeated again and again within the areas that suffer the most forest fires, that maintenance programs similar to other parts of the world could greatly reduce the effects and potential for forest fires as well as changing watershed quality. And these people site areas where their stewardship has proven a positive effect. Can you give us an example of where their practices have proven detrimental? Or is the information you are presenting theoretical? When reviewing the potential contracts for thinning, I have not seen any mention of herbicides, pesticides, or fertilizers to maintain a sustainable system. Many of the areas are re-growth areas that were involved in previous fire zones. Also, re-planting accelerates re-growth of those species that will assist in reforestation. It is my understanding that there are a number of invasive species that take over previous old growth areas that were damaged in fires and the thinning will promote re-growth of the more beneficial species. Personally, I do not maintain a lawn, yet I do hand pull invasive species of detrimental plants that encroach. Humanity has changed most natural environments--even the forest. Observing those changes, studying how to reclaim the beneficial aspects of what should be a natural process is a science. And I agree that many zealous attempts to improve a situation can backfire. But all in all, the task force of involved personnel for maintaining our forest resources are not flamboyant zealots. They are seasoned, dedicated professionals who do their job because they love the forest. Hope this helps to calm you. And by the way--we should make fuel ethanol instead of methanol from the forest slash. Best wishes, Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
[Biofuel] Genencor Biomass to Ethanol
Genencor Celebrates Major Progress in the Conversion of Biomass to Ethanol Source: Genencor International, Inc. Oct 21, 2004 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041021/sfth020_1.html Reduction in Enzyme Cost Overcomes Significant Obstacle in Alternative Fuel Production PALO ALTO, Calif., Oct. 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Genencor International, Inc. (Nasdaq: GCOR - News), and U.S. government representatives gathered at Genencor's Palo Alto headquarters today to celebrate their progress in the quest to convert biomass to ethanol and reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil. Genencor scientists and colleagues from the Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) acknowledged the significance of the completion of their 4-year collaboration to reduce the costs of enzymes to enable a commercially viable process of using cellulosic biomass (such as agricultural waste) to make ethanol, which can currently be made from sugar cane and starchy grains. Genencor also announced that it has achieved an estimated cellulase cost in the range of $0.10-$0.20 per gallon of ethanol in NREL's cost model. This represents an approximate 30-fold improvement in enzyme cost in that model. NREL is expected to validate these results at pilot scale within the next quarter. Genencor noted that the actual enzyme cost and the final cost of ethanol in a commercial process will be heavily dependent upon overcoming the remaining hurdles in the development of integrated biorefineries. We have exceeded the contractual goals and the expectations of the DOE and NREL, said Michael V. Arbige, Genencor's senior vice president of technology. But more importantly, we have overcome a critical hurdle in making biorefineries and alternative fuels a reality. The technology developed is an important step toward realizing the potential of biorefineries, analogous to an oil refinery today, in which plant and waste materials are used to produce an array of fuels and chemicals. Further progress toward a commercially viable biorefinery depends on the development of pilot-scale, real-world processes for biomass conversion. Genencor is working with Cargill-Dow on such a project, also funded by the Department of Energy (DOE), and looks forward to working with others as biorefinery development advances toward industrial scale. Earlier this month, this work was acknowledged by RD magazine as one of the Top 100 Technologically Significant Products for 2004, in a joint award to Genencor, NREL and Novozymes Biotech. Genencor advances alternative fuel By SMRITI JACOB Rochester Business Journal October 21, 2004 http://www.rbj.net/fullarticle.cfm?sdid=52243 Genencor International Inc. has achieved a 30-fold cost improvement to enable a commercially viable process of corn stalks, wheat and other materials to make ethanol. The biotechnology firm and the Department of Energyâs National Renewable Energy Laboratory Thursday acknowledged the significance of the completion of their four-year, roughly $17 million collaboration to reduce enzyme costs for alternative fuel production. Genencor has achieved an estimated cellulase enzyme cost of 10 cents to 20 cents a gallon of ethanol in NRELâs cost model. The project is aimed to develop a new generation of enzyme systems that could economically convert corn stalks, wheat and other materials into fermentable sugars for conversion into bioethanol and other chemicals. Bioethanol is expected to be used to power automobiles in the future. NREL is expected to validate these results at pilot scale within the next quarter. Genencor officials said the actual enzyme cost and the final cost of ethanol in a commercial process will depend heavily on overcoming the remaining hurdles in the development of integrated biorefineries÷a refinery analogous to an oil refinery, in which plant and waste materials are used to produce an array of fuels and chemicals. The firm is working with Cargill Dow LLC on a Department of Energy project to develop pilot scale, real world processes for biomass conversion. Genencor (Nasdaq: GCOR) develops enzymes for the industrial, agricultural and health care markets. It employs 200 people here. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry-socialism?
Lillie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry-socialism? : : There is only one reason I will vote for Bush, extra money in my pocket. That's the reason that people vote for Bush, and no other. The problem is that this is a flase belief. Real wages have gone down since Bush took office, and jobs have been lost. If you earn over $200,000 per year, you do have more money in your pocket. If you are like 99% of the country, chances are that you have lost ground. : Kerry is nothing but hollow promises and outright lies. Your basis for this? Bush lied to bring this country to war, and continues to lie about the reasons for it. What lies has Kerry told? This statement needs to be backed up with some evidence. It is guaranteed he : will accelerate the US march into socialism. Your basis for this gaurantee? Again, a baseless lie, this time reported as a gaurantee. Socialist love to claim they : can solve the world's problems I don't buy it, they haven't done it; even : though most of the world is socialist! Already addressed as a fallacy. All they can do is blame the US for : the world's problems; so be it. This is my opinion and I cannot prove it. Interesting, you make a gaurantee, then state that you cannot prove it. You've learned well from your President. State lies forcefully, then when challenged use smoke and mirrors. Do you think that the people on this board are foolish enough to buy it? : : Lillie : : - Original Message - : From: Friedrich Friesinger : To: : Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:00 PM : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry : : : I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!! : Fritz : : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/20/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel Tax Incentive Signed into Law!
This came to me via another list, and it checks out. go Google HR.4520 Dear Biodiesel Supporter: I am happy to share the great news with you that today President Bush signed into law the bill containing the biodiesel tax incentive we have worked so hard for during the last several years. The incentive went through as part of the bill known as the ãJOBS Billä in Congress. The Presidentâs signature was the last step. The incentive is a federal excise tax credit in the amount of one penny per percentage of biodiesel blended with petroleum diesel. All biodiesel consumers will benefit from this legislation, including those in tax exempt markets, like school districts. We realize many people have questions about the tax incentive and what it means for their businesses and personal use. To help meet the overwhelming demand for information, we have created a resource for you on our Web site at www.biodiesel.org/news/taxincentive. It includes the actual bill itself, a fact sheet about the tax incentive and other documents to answer your questions. Thank you again for your role in making this a reality. A special thanks to the American Soybean Association, Gordley Associates, the biodiesel industry, and stakeholders everywhere. All the calls, e-mails and other communications to Members of Congress from biodiesel stakeholders like you truly made a difference. Sincerely, Joe Jobe NBB Executive Director ^..^ ^..^ ^..^ ^..^ ^..^ ^..^ ^..^ Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. -Thomas Jefferson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pressurized process. - Was : No Wash Biodiesel Process.
Hi Keith and DHAJOGLO ; DHAJOGLO Wrote : This is true also though it should be cautioned that a closed reactor with enough head space and enough temp (say, 75 deg C) and you will get methanol vapor from your solution at the top and the reaction will not proceed as far. Keith wrote : Anyway, what seems to happen in the situation you describe is that the vapour condenses on the underside of the lid and drips back in, not a problem. In a pressure vessel with headspace that is at atmospheric pressure, the only thing that will raise the pressure upon heating is methanol vapors. This accumulation of methanol vapors would reduce the amount available for reaction. I had assumed I would pressurize the vessel with dry compressed air before introducing the methanol (say to 30 psi or whatever was appropriate). This would keep the vessel pressure higher than the vapor pressure of methanol, so preventing the methanol from boiling. Some vapors in the headspace is normal (that's why everyone recommends the fumeless reactor design). What we want to prevent is the boiling of methanol. Pressurizing the vessel beforehand would do this. Then when the reaction is complete, slowly releasing the pressure would allow any excess methanol to boil off due to the high temp of the solution. My plan includes two pressure vessels with a heat exchanger to pre-heat the next batch with the heat from the finished batch. I just picked up a brand new statinless steel tube in shell heat exchanger for about $80 at a junkyard. The benefit of this heat recovery increases as the process temperature increases. Comments from the list member more experienced than me (this includes almost everyone) are welcomed. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] No Wash Biodiesel Process.
Hi Luc ; Thanks for your response. Yes those totes are available locally for around $50. They are quite convenient with their portability. I used one a few years ago in a small roadside motorcycle washing operation. I plan to include rainwater catching on all buildings. The problem is that it doesn't rain for six months at a time. Then it trickles a few months and then downpours a few months. There is more than enough water, just that it comes all at one time and then nothing for the rest of the year. So I need a large pond to hold enough water. The soil contains quite a few rocks. This is good because I need lots of agrigate anyway, but drilling a well will be difficult. Not sure where the water table is. An artesian well might be possible. Supposedly there is a water fall nearby. Assuming I counterflow wash and recover the soaps (per Keith's and Todd's instructions, quite good info!), I will still need to dispose of the contaminated wash water (probably by watering the fields). Any water coming in from a lagoon will probably have contaminants (dirt, minerals, etc) which need to be filtered first. Wash for me is a problem. So keep these good ideas coming. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter; You could invest in one of those 1,000 liter totes. HDPD with a wire grid around it for support. They can be had re-worked (read cleaned ou after one use) for about $125.00.For photo http://www.generalcontainer.com/displayCategory.asp?cat=9subcat=32 Then pray for rain :). Alot cheaper than digging a well... They are already plumbed for 2 inch and come with a valve for flow control. When in a pinch and necessity being the mother of invention this may be worth a go. Luc __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
Not much need for anyone to disagree about the politics at hand if they were to evaluate everything face forward rather than hoping against hope. I was speaking with a member of the ROTC brass last week. While he seemed rather complacent in justifying his support of the president, he did make an all too valid observation. We were speaking of the broad reaches and ramifications of effective energy/efficiency/conservation policy. I made the remark that this country (the US) is obese in it's patterns of energy waste. He responded that all one has to do is look at the average wasteline to be able to draw some evidence of that, stating that what this country severely needs is discipline. Yah. Sure. Perhaps one might expect such a remark from a military rep. But he's perfectly and absolutely correct. And his observation probably extends accurately far beyond energy issues. At least one military rep recognizes how wasteful his country is. As for a global Marshal Plan? Virtually every person I speak to for more than a few seconds, no matter what cloth they are cut from, agrees that enormous inroads could be gained in global health, environment, international animosity, perceptions of global corporatism and political corruption if such a plan were initiated. Certainly it would be grand if an American president had the backbone to do exactly that. Nothing could better unite a fractionalized country, at least in some part. One thing is almost an absolute certainty - more cast in stone than anything Moses ever saw - the present president will do virtually nothing from his end to level the energy playing field in anything more than a gratuitous manner. Energy prices will continue to surge, and profit alone will be the impetus for businesses and families to venture into renewables, efficiency and conservation. But that will be more a result of inaction by an administration than any action. Energy giants will continue to be inequitably subsidized and reap increasingly enormous profits as a result of soaring prices. The poor will be poorer, the cold colder and everyone across the planet will be a little older and further behind the eight ball. If for no other reason than the squandering of energy and the placing of a nation in a poorer position of insecurity, Mr. Bush should be handed his walking papers and a more conscious replacement given opportunity to begin effecting the necessary changes. All Mr. Bush's other mistakes are just more window dressing for cause. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry Todd, I think that for the most part, it is just going to be a matter of agreeing to disagree about Politics and those that make a living from it. OTOH, I think that for the most part, we do agree for the most that something needs to be done about world energy practice, although, I believe that the way it needs to be done starts falling into the realm of politics. Your idea of a global Marshal Plan on energy has merit, the problem is that the maximum number of terms that a person may be President of the US, puts a damper on it.Someone that is in office for only a maximum of 8 years, is only looking to do the best they can for those 8 years, because sure a there are little green apples, the next man in, is most likely going to change things. For the idea to have a global Marshal Plan on energy for 16 to 20 years, means it would have to be a law from congress, and few people their would be willing to gamble with any presidential ambitions that they may have, although a few would rather stay in congress where they think that they can make a long term difference.The one real chance for a global Marshal Plan on energy, would be to vote a majority of congressional members into office, that would not care if they served a second term of not, because I don't think that most Americans would like the results, and would vote them out the next election. Should a energy Marshal Plan like law pass, the thing that you would then have to worry about then is Big Oil and those that benefit from Big Oil ( farmers that rely on the fertilizer that oil is used for, the workers that work for companies that rely on oil to produce the products and so on ) taking the global energy Marshal Plan law to court, calling it unconstitutional, discriminatory, ect... While wanting everyone to have there oars in the water, is nice, I think that there are just too many people in the world with differing opinions, to come to a world wide consensus.To many people want the walls and division, it makes them feel special.To touch lightly on politics, people like Jessie Jackson appears to like building walls, were as Marten L. King wanted to tear them down. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry left leaning Polls
To be honest, I prefer the option of None of the above are suitable, please go back and try again. That was my line, I believe. Since we're not given that option, I will vote for the one who is not evil but has a chance to win. At least this time, it's not a lesser of the two evils question. It's one evil and the other not great but at least won't destroy the country. I sent in my ballot today. I had to hold my nose to vote, and the envelope stank all the way to the letter box! (I've never voted for a democrat in my life. . . This was a depressing experience for me.) My sweetheart and I just came back from Baltimore. Last weekend, we went to Gettysburg to visit the battlefield I've read so much about, then went to Washington. Fences, walls and jersey barriers keep the public at a distance in the nation's capitol. Roads have been closed off completely, and police linger everywhere. A not very friendly police officer chased us away from the iron fence at the southern boundary of the White House lawn, which must be better than 50 meters beyond the building itself. Two men stood on the roof of the White House with long, slender, cylindrical objects tucked under their arms. We saw the same thing at the Capitol building, where a barrier surrounds the whole structure. We couldn't get near the Supreme Court building either. It's sad. My country has become a nation afraid of itself. The extreme leftists (labor unions, communists, socialists and greens) were protesting at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. While I didn't like what most of them had to say, I was pleased to witness that opposition is still tolerated in my nation's capitol. (Though they had a woman singing a poignant song as we arrived, and she had a GOLDEN voice!) A lot of shouting and arm waving was going on, as if people were desperate to resurrect the ghosts of Vietnam era demonstrations. We walked with reverence past the Vietnam Wall, gazed in awe at the new World War II memorial, and later went by the Pentagon and spent some time in Arlington National Cemetery. I suspect many more graves will have to be filled before the Iraq debacle is over. It's a shame and a waste! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] oil price over the years
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/20/ Message #20, of 39,388 (below) - the 1980 price is the spike you menion, Since this early message a lot of people, including Americans, have posted messages saying US oil prices are way too low (what all OECD nations except the US also say), and the sooner the pump price hits $5 a gallon the better. Gasoline in Baltimore was running $2.02 per gallon, about 20 cents cheaper than it is across the line in Washington State right now. When I filled up the Ford Focus we drove while visiting the city (that was a pretty decent little car!), I remarked to the attendant about how cheap the local gas prices were. She was astonished. I think this is expensive! she replied. I paid 99.8 cents per liter filling my truck this morning. Gasoline is too cheap in America. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:55:10 -0500 This is simple pyrolysis. One heats up any plant or amimal matter, in the absence of oxygen. Another term for the same process is distructive distillation. It produces a mixture somewhat like crude oil (fossil) The trick is to do it effeciently. See for example http://www.btgworld.com/technologies/pyrolysis.html frag lag wrote: http://www.schoolsite.utwente.nl/ct/profielwerkstukken/PWS/scheikunde/rijden_op_hout.doc/ A dutch web site ,the name under the firest picture (top one of 3) says raw biodiesel ??? looks more like dino to me... part of the text Het maken van biodiesel is geen koud kunstje. Vaste biomassa wordt bij hoge temperaturen (~ 500 oC) en in afwezigheid van zuurstof omgezet tot een gas dat afkoelt tot een vloeistof. Dit proces, pyrolyse, staat nog in de kinderschoenen. rough translation: Making biodiesel isn't easy , solid biomass is gassed at 500 degrees celcious (in a vaccume) that cools to a liquid, this process called pyrolyse is still in it's infantcy. any idea what they are talking about? (btw , utwente in the link means university of twente) _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] VW TDI efficiency
running 50/50 cause of the warranty issue. We have 40,000 mi so far no problems. Just be sure to water wash your batches. - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW TDI efficiency My $.02. I believe it was the 2004 TDI that was at issue due to the type of pump they switched to. If memory serves correctly the preceeding years were just fine. I have a 1983 240D Mercedes that is presently getting the screen filter (sediment filter) in the tank changed as well as the fuel lines. The absolute necessity of the change of fuel lines might be up for question although some have experienced problems with the return line and it may need to be changed, but again, if memory serves, that was for pre-'85 cars so your '95 should be OK other than a filter change after a couple tank fills. That is what happened with mine; tw o or three tank fulls of B100 and all the accumulated crap from 21 years of Dr. Dino came loose :) The problem will not have time to reoccur. Luc - Original Message - From: Buck Corrigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] VW TDI efficiency Hi Ken; I'm just finishing my first 150 l. batch of biodiesel. I seem to remeber someone saying the newer VW TDI's didn't like the biodiesel very much. Have you experienced any problems other than having to change filters? I've got an older ford diesel (95) I plan to run on the biodiesel, and my wife has a 2000 Jetta TDI. She'a a bit nervous about using home-made fuel in her baby. Any comments would be appreciated. Buck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?
so what are the advantages compared to our way? The advantages are that it's expensive and capital-intensive, so it can easily be controlled by the powers-that-be, it's no threat to the status quo, business as usual. Those are the disadvantages of our way - all these out-of-control hairy unkempt anarchist grass-roots hippies making biodiesel in their backyards have absolutely wrecked it for serious people like industrialists and oil companies and so on. (Though it has to be admitted, even if under extreme pressure, that all the problems they've caused by wrecking the market with sub-standard biodiesel turn out to be entirely non-existent and that ALL such problems have been caused by serious people like industrialists and so on). Anyway, that's why folks like Mercedes and Volkswagen are putting their eggs in this heavily industrialised and centralised basket rather than biodiesel. Biodiesel it ain't. It is biofuel though - but how much fossil fuel is consumed in producing it? They call it sunfuel, biofuel made from scratch, from any biomass you choose - the carbo V process, followed by a Fischer-Tropsch gas to liquid conversion. I think another advantage of it is that it's more like dinodiesel than biodiesel is. Probably this is why VW, for instance, isn't too bothered about whether the 5th-generation Golf's injector pump is compatible with biodiesel or not. I think that if we all do our jobs properly, in the end it won't matter much. The major auto makers will eventually be forced by market pressure to produce true multi-fuel diesels like the Elsbett motor, equally capable of running on dinodiesel, or biodiesel, or straight vegetable oil (SVO/PPO) or sunfuel or any mix of them without modification or problems or much if any emissions problems. Cars like the 5th-generation Golf, if indeed it proves incompatible with biodiesel, or the other new diesels Aleks mentioned recently, will be produced for the few years in the interim, and thereafter won't be much sought after in comparison with either the very many more older diesels (diesels last a long time!) or the new multi-fuel models. The people on this list and the many others like us have a crucial role to play in this, IMHO. Best wishes Keith From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:55:10 -0500 This is simple pyrolysis. One heats up any plant or amimal matter, in the absence of oxygen. Another term for the same process is distructive distillation. It produces a mixture somewhat like crude oil (fossil) The trick is to do it effeciently. See for example http://www.btgworld.com/technologies/pyrolysis.html frag lag wrote: http://www.schoolsite.utwente.nl/ct/profielwerkstukken/PWS/scheikun de/rijden_op_hout.doc/ A dutch web site ,the name under the firest picture (top one of 3) says raw biodiesel ??? looks more like dino to me... part of the text Het maken van biodiesel is geen koud kunstje. Vaste biomassa wordt bij hoge temperaturen (~ 500 oC) en in afwezigheid van zuurstof omgezet tot een gas dat afkoelt tot een vloeistof. Dit proces, pyrolyse, staat nog in de kinderschoenen. rough translation: Making biodiesel isn't easy , solid biomass is gassed at 500 degrees celcious (in a vaccume) that cools to a liquid, this process called pyrolyse is still in it's infantcy. any idea what they are talking about? (btw , utwente in the link means university of twente) -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update
Hi Peggy ; Thanks for your post. I am tip-toeing here a little because I would never say I know as much as you about the ethanol/methanol debate. When someone knows more than me, my tendency is usually to shut up and listen. Because I fully and absolutely intend to build a still and distill ethanol, I have studied the ethanol conversion process. Ethanol from fruit or cane juices seems very attractive. In Cambodia, a liter of 75% ethanol sells for about $2. They use it to spike drinks. They distill it from fermented rice mash. I have personally seen the crude stills that they use. It is fantastic that they could make alcohol at all. Their production was maybe 50 liters per day. They used the cheapest fuel they could find for distillation : sawdust for $.01 per kg. It is burned in a clay stove which surrounds the distillation clay jar. The whole operation is terribly inefficient, but it works. With so much room for improvement, it looks like it could be a good business. But only because it is drinking alcohol. As a fuel substitute, where the price needs to be more like $.50 per liter, not so easy to make money. But I intend to try. From my understanding, ethanol from biomass is a different story. The two most popular ways to hydrolize biomass are acid and enzymatic hydrolysis. Many enzymes are proprietary and most are not easy to make on site. Then you have the problem of converting pentose sugars. If you don't do it, yields are low. If you do it, you need exotic or genetically modified organisms. Then we have another economic problem. You are in business to make money (aren't we all?). A small operator like me could never produce enough to pay you anything worth while. So you will not want to divulge all your process details for very little money. This is understandable. I guess I would do the same thing if I were you. It's business. Again please understand that I am not saying there anything wrong with this, just that it stops me quite effectively. Your process sounds fantastic, but in the final analysis, if we can't produce ethanol, it is only a mirage. Therefore, I'm going to sidestep the whole ethanol/methanol is better debate and just say that ethanol from cellulosic biomass, while very interesting, is not possible right now for the majority of us in the list. For you it is possible because you know how to do it, but for the rest of us who don't, no. Sure, a batch or two in the garage, yes. A few links are out there doing a batch in a plastic garbage can, but the economics are not addressed, and no pentose sugar fermenting. An economically viable process for a few hundred liters per day including equipment design and enzyme manufacture, no way. It will be very possible when more process details become available in the public domain. For those of us who are not chemists, we must await. Lot's of information in the public domain about gasification of biomass. I'm thinking of building a biomass gasifer (specifically sawdust) and convert my pickup truck. That's step one in methanol synthesis. The low pressure methanol process from syngas patent that Walt posted is quite significant. Methanol will probably be the next motor fuel. I say this mostly due to methanol's ability to be easily manufactured from natural gas (also digester biogas), and later as a hydrogen carrier for fuel cells. IMHO. Please correct me if I am wrong about anything. I want to be. I would love to make ethanol from biomass. I just don't know how. Sorry for my long reply. I am trying to explain myself without offending anyone. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Peter, A few additional comments in the benefits of fuel ethanol over methanol follow. A complete distillery setup can lower electric bills due to the surplus generation capability from burning the unreacted biomass while producing ethanol and other products to sell (xylitol, furfural, depending on composition of biomass). Any business that generates a cellulosic waste (vegetable processors) can offset electrical cost by generating electricity from waste and produce additional by-products for sale. Our processing system gets ethanol, furfural, xylitol, carbon dioxide, gypsum, and liquid fertilizer. Other processing for methanol only gets methanol and liquid fertilizer. Ethanol is a satisfactory non-toxic hydrogen source for fuel cells. Best wishes, Peggy Hi Walt ; Thanks very much for your post. Your project and web site are fascinating. I have a project which hasn't taken form yet, but I hope it will be something like Windward. Only in a lot warmer climate (and quite regrettably for an expat like myself, outside the US). Possibly I wil buy the land next month (100 ht), now only trees and jungle. Huge project for an individual like myself. Got to start somewhere. I read the low temp methanol patent application and trying to
[Biofuel] Lost in Twitland
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[Biofuel] japan earthquake
You ok? I've been through earthquakes that strong and it is a powerful experience. gambatte o kudasareta andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Hey, how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada! Fritz - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Process Agitation Question.
Hi Luc, My experience with violent washing of biodiesel was disastrous. I used pump washing. I had a complete reaction and I still ended up with emulsion. The first wash especially has to be gentle. Regards Dermot -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Legal Eagle Sent: 22 October 2004 00:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Process Agitation Question. Peter; It seems that it couldn't be any more violent than a drill and paint stirrer, and THAT I have done with good success. Washing it the same way also proved a good method. Once processed, test it using the quality test; http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality and if you habe good fuel (a complete reaction) then proceed with a vigorous wash and it will not hurt anything, although if you have not gottena complete reaqction you will get a whole whack of emulsion (not good). Luc - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Process Agitation Question. Hello All ; I have an opportunity to buy 4-5 stainless steel agitators. They are about 1 meter long, and the impellors are about 6 in diameter and are designed to run at full speed (ie. no gear reduction). In other words, they really whip the mixture, not just agitate it. They have an outer shroud which guides the fluid past about 8 small curved blades. The blades are only about 1 in long. I understand that vigorous agitation during conversion reduces the needed process time. Are these a good idea?? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
older. I too used an axe in Canada, but the maul works better. I really would like an alternative though. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:44 AM 10/23/2004, you wrote: Hey, how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada! Fritz - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Conversation with a Conservative -was: Kerry left leaning Polls
I sent in my ballot today. I had to hold my nose to vote, and the envelope stank all the way to the letter box! (I've never voted for a democrat in my life. . . This was a depressing experience for me.) It would appear the company you keep may also feel the same, si? [Biofuel] Conversation with a Conservative: Clyde Prestowitz http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/39945/ In the first of four conversations between Mother Jones and prominent conservatives who've become Bush critics, Reagan administration veteran Clyde Prestowitz explains that four years of Republican rule have put the country on the wrong track. October 6, 2004 I'm Clyde Prestowitz. I was a counselor to the Secretary of Commerce in the first Reagan administration. I'm author of the book Rogue Nation: American Unilateralism and the Failure of Good Intentions. I'm an elder in the Presbyterian church. I'm a conservative, a registered Republican, and an economist. [Biofuel] Conversation with a Conservative: John Dean http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/39947/ The former counsel to President Nixon says the way the Bush administration has governed has been worse than Watergate. [Biofuel] Conversation with a Conservative: Russell Train http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/39944/ Russell Train, head of the Environmental Protection Agency under Richard Nixon, explains that the Bush administration has declared war on the environment. My sweetheart and I just came back from Baltimore. Last weekend, we went to Gettysburg to visit the battlefield I've read so much about, then went to Washington. Fences, walls and jersey barriers keep the public at a distance in the nation's capitol. Roads have been closed off completely, and police linger everywhere. A not very friendly police officer chased us away from the iron fence at the southern boundary of the White House lawn, which must be better than 50 meters beyond the building itself. Two men stood on the roof of the White House with long, slender, cylindrical objects tucked under their arms. We saw the same thing at the Capitol building, where a barrier surrounds the whole structure. We couldn't get near the Supreme Court building either. It's sad. My country has become a nation afraid of itself. The extreme leftists (labor unions, communists, socialists and greens) were protesting at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. While I didn't like what most of them had to say, I was pleased to witness that opposition is still tolerated in my nation's capitol. (Though they had a woman singing a poignant song as we arrived, and she had a GOLDEN voice!) A lot of shouting and arm waving was going on, as if people were desperate to resurrect the ghosts of Vietnam era demonstrations. We walked with reverence past the Vietnam Wall, gazed in awe at the new World War II memorial, and later went by the Pentagon and spent some time in Arlington National Cemetery. I suspect many more graves will have to be filled before the Iraq debacle is over. It's a shame and a waste! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
There is a GREAT article in Home Power about a family in Colorado that lives off grid and they made a Solar powered logging bugging. Basically an old truck bed converted to a trailer with batteries and solar panels. The run electric chain saws off of it and they converted their bandsaw mill to run off the solar wagon as well. http://www.homepower.com/files/ALLEETOC/Issue84.pdf?search=electric%20chain%20saw That particular issue was called the blackout buster issue and it's one of the BEST they have ever made. Back issues are 5.00 but Homepower lets you print online for FREE. So if you want to read off a PDF or print it yourself, register and download the magazine. These folks went that way after on winter of chainsawing with gasoline. It can be done with enough panels and batteries. You could get an electric motor to run the hydrualic pump. mel -Original Message- From: Darryl McMahon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. Darryl Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not Kim, but I though I'd answer some of these questions just to give Kim and others an idea on our off grid solutions. See below: = = = Original message = = = Hi Kim, an ambitious project for most people, however, I suspect you are up to it. Are your telephone lines strung on the same poles as the electrical lines? If so, does the telephone company have the same rules as the electrical company? If so, do you have other options for telephone service? (I'm assuming that telephone access provides your Internet access and you do not wish to give up your phone service.) SS We have no power poles to our property. The phone company delivers SS voice and DSL on underground lines. What do you use electricity for now? Lighting (SS - ELECTRIC/INV), refrigeration(SS - PROPANE), cooking (SS - PROPANE), well pump (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN), air conditioning(SS - NONE), hot water (SS - PROPANE), space heating (SS - WOOD), computer (SS - ELECTRIC/INV), entertainment equipment (SS - ELECTRIC/INV), washer (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN), dryer (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN PROPANE)), yard or farm equipment (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN), etc? Do you have your recent electrical bills, and do they show your consumption by period? How can you reduce those requirements? Substitution, efficiency, conservation, other? How do you propose to generate your own electricity? Generator (SS - YES), wind turbine (SS - YES), solar panels (SS - YES), low head hydro (SS - N/A), other? I'm assuming a generator (biodiesel) as your primary source initially (SS - Ours is WVO and Biodiesel), but that doesn't preclude other options in the future. Can you set up all your loads so they will run only when a generator (or other source) is running, or will you require local energy storage? If so, batteries are the most practical option (IMNSHO), though not perfect by any means. Most likely a non-trivial investment (batteries, inverter, charger, etc). (SS - We have a 675 ah battery pack, 2kw inverter, 30 amp charge controller, 90 watt PV and 300 watt wind, with 12.5kw wvo gen) Other lists may also be helpful to you. Homeenergysolutions, alternate energy, renewable-energy come to mind. (ss - also 12vdc group at yahoo.) It is certainly an interesting adventure. The first step is examining current consumption to look for ways to reduce it. That will be worthwhile whether you go off-grid or not. The least expensive electricity is the electricity you don't have to produce. SS - We installed all CF lighting, and switched outlet strips on all phantom loads. Biomethane will replace the propane next year. Electric chainsaw and electric log splitter are being evaluated. Darryl McMahon ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Darryl McMahon
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?
making biodiesel via esterification/transesterification. You can use it to degrade tires, plastic, organic wastes and biomass in general into useable gases and liquid fuels. The tough pill to swallow is the intense energy inputs and mechanical costs. But then again, recovering energy and reusing it is better than landfilling it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? so what are the advantages compared to our way? From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:55:10 -0500 This is simple pyrolysis. One heats up any plant or amimal matter, in the absence of oxygen. Another term for the same process is distructive distillation. It produces a mixture somewhat like crude oil (fossil) The trick is to do it effeciently. See for example http://www.btgworld.com/technologies/pyrolysis.html frag lag wrote: http://www.schoolsite.utwente.nl/ct/profielwerkstukken/PWS/scheikunde/rijden_op_hout.doc/ A dutch web site ,the name under the firest picture (top one of 3) says raw biodiesel ??? looks more like dino to me... part of the text Het maken van biodiesel is geen koud kunstje. Vaste biomassa wordt bij hoge temperaturen (~ 500 oC) en in afwezigheid van zuurstof omgezet tot een gas dat afkoelt tot een vloeistof. Dit proces, pyrolyse, staat nog in de kinderschoenen. rough translation: Making biodiesel isn't easy , solid biomass is gassed at 500 degrees celcious (in a vaccume) that cools to a liquid, this process called pyrolyse is still in it's infantcy. any idea what they are talking about? (btw , utwente in the link means university of twente) _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob /ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lost in Twitland
Demian http://www.knoton.com Worth posting in full Demian, below. From the archives: Results of previous PIPA/Knowledge Networks poll: - A 57% majority believed Iraq was either directly involved in carrying out the 9/11 attacks or had provided substantial support to al-Qaeda - 82% either said that experts mostly agree Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda or experts are evenly divided on the question - 45% believe that evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda has been found - 60% believe that just before the war Iraq either had weapons of mass destruction or a major program for developing them - 65% said most experts say Iraq did have them or that experts are divided on the question - estimates of the number of US troop fatalities in Iraq varied widely - 59% were unaware that the majority of world public opinion is opposed to the US war with Iraq - asked how many nuclear weapons the U.S. has, the median estimate was 200 (the actual number is 6,000) These beliefs are closely correlated with intentions to vote for Bush. Best Keith http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20263 The World According to a Bush Voter By Jim Lobe, AlterNet. Posted October 21, 2004. A new survey reveals that Bush supporters choose to keep faith in their leader than face reality. Do the supporters of President Bush really know their man or the policies of his administration? Three out of 4 self-described supporters of President George W. Bush still believe that pre-war Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD) or active programs to produce them. According to a new survey published Thursday, the same number also believes that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein provided substantial support to al Qaeda. But here is the truly astonishing part: as many or more Bush supporters hold those beliefs today than they did several months ago. In other words, more people believe the claims today -- after the publication of a series of well-publicized official government reports that debunked both notions. These are among the most striking findings of a survey conducted in mid-October by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) and Knowledge Networks, a California-based polling firm. The survey polled the views of nearly 900 randomly chosen respondents equally divided between Bush supporters and those intending to vote for Democratic Sen. John Kerry. It found a yawning gap in the perceptions of the facts between the two groups, particularly with regards to President Bush's claims about pre-war Iraq. According to the accompanying analysis offered by PIPA: It is normal during elections for supporters of presidential candidates to have fundamental disagreements about values or strategies. The current election is unique in that Bush supporters and Kerry supporters have profoundly different perceptions of reality. In the face of a stream of high-level assessments about pre-war Iraq, Bush supporters cling to the refuted beliefs that Iraq had WMD or supported al Qaeda. The survey probed each respondent's views at three separate levels: One, their personal belief about the two issues; two, their perception of what most experts had concluded about the same; and three, their knowledge of the Bush administration's claims on either WMDs or al Qaeda. The survey found that 72 percent of Bush supporters believe either that Iraq had actual WMD (47 percent) or a major program for producing them (25 percent). This despite the widespread media coverage in early October of the CIA's Duelfer Report - the final word on the subject by the one billion dollar, 15-month investigation by the Iraq Survey Group - which concluded that Hussein had dismantled all of his WMD programmes shortly after the 1991 Gulf War and never tried to reconstitute them. Nonetheless, 56 percent of Bush supporters are under the impression that the expert consensus is exactly the opposite - that Iraq had actual WMD. Another 57 percent think that the Duelfer Report itself concluded that Iraq either had WMD (19 percent) or a major WMD program (38 percent). Only 26 percent of Kerry supporters, by contrast, believe that pre-war Iraq had either actual WMD or a WMD program, and only 18 percent said most experts agreed on the same. Results on Hussein's alleged support for al Qaeda are similar. The contention - which has been most persistently asserted by Vice President Dick Cheney - was thoroughly debunked by the final report of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission earlier this summer. Seventy-five percent of Bush supporters said they believed that Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda, with 20 percent asserting that Iraq was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon. Sixty-three percent of Bush supporters even believe that clear evidence of such support has actually been found, and 60 percent believe that most experts
Re: [Biofuel] japan earthquake
Thanks for your concern, that's very kind of you. Keith, You ok? Yes thanks, we're fine, it was far from here, at Niigata, north of Tokyo. Two deaths, more than 90 hurt, but there's danger of landslides following the typhoon, everything's still soaked. A bullet train got derailed, or partly derailed, nobody hurt, extraordinary. I've been through earthquakes that strong and it is a powerful experience. So have I, once - yes, a very powerful experience. Quite salutary - you think the ground is good solid stuff under your feet and suddenly it gets up and shakes itself like a dog with fleas. It's quite something to live in Tokyo. It's only a matter of time until there's another major earthquake there, everybody knows it, and there are reminders of it all the time, tremors every day, sometimes three or four a day or more, and some of them are strong, you have to grab hold of something. It's amazing how quickly you get used to it. People just take it in their stride, and so did we. You get unused to it again pretty quickly too. There are only very occasional tremors in this part of Japan and we're not used to it at all now. gambatte o kudasareta :-) Thankyou. Regards Keith andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Reaction from the US to the Guardian's Clark County project
Guardian Unlimited | US elections 2004 | Reaction from the US to the Guardian's Clark County project Last week G2 launched Operation Clark County to help readers have a say in the American election by writing to undecided voters in the crucial state of Ohio. In the first three days, more than 11,000 people requested addresses. Here is some of the reaction to the project that we received from the US ... [more] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Plan Colombia Targets Oil, Not Drugs
Plan Colombia Targets Oil, Not Drugs By James E. Garcia, PoliticoMagazine.com. Posted July 31, 2001. The U.S. imports more oil from Latin America than from the Persian Gulf. So it makes sense that Plan Colombia is as much about oil and trade as it is about drugs. Most Americans may not know it, but a volatile mix of drugs, trade and combat troops in Latin America is threatening to spark an international crisis involving U.S. forces in the region. According to a team of investigative journalists assigned by the Washington-based Center for Public Integrity, American military and civilian personnel in Latin America are embroiled today in the biggest guerrilla war since Vietnam. In a series of stories examining Mexico, Colombia, Peru and Brazil, CPI's team of Latin American writers reported that Hundreds of U.S. troops, spies and civilian contract employees are on the ground in Colombia and neighboring lands. It's all related to a $1.3 billion anti-narcotics operation known as Plan Colombia. The operation is designed to bring down Colombia's drug lords, who produce three-quarters of the cocaine and 65 percent of the heroin consumed by Americans. But according to CPI's news team, Plan Colombia is also about protecting U.S. oil and trade interests. How many of us realize that the United States imports more oil from Latin America than from the Persian Gulf? And let's not forget that the first President Bush waged war against Saddam Hussein, at least in part, to protect that region's critically important oil supply. Already, some worry that Latin America's oil fields are threatened. Some see that threat coming from the instability created by Colombia's on-going civil war and even from a smaller guerrilla uprising in southern Mexico. Further complicating matters is the fact that Colombia's leftist rebels and right-wing paramilitary groups have helped finance their armies with drug money, making them primary targets in the U.S. government's war against international drug trafficking. Many fear the murkiness of just who the enemy is in Colombia could drag the United States into that nation's civil war. In Peru, meanwhile, the CIA worked closely for years with that nation's top spy, Vladimiro Montesinos, who now stands accused, among other things, of working as a middleman to ship arms from Jordan to Colombia's largest guerrilla group. U.S. involvement in Peru also contributed to the death of an American missionary and her baby last April. Guided by U.S. radar, a Peruvian air force pilot mistook the missionary for a drug trafficker and shot the plane down, then strafed the plane with machine gun fire as the victims lay dying in the wreckage. In the words of CPI's reporting team: The United States supplied the tools and the information that led to that tragedy -- then looked on with horror, like a latter-day Dr. Frankenstein, when its creation got out of control. Booming trade with Latin America has also boosted the region's strategic importance for the U.S. Latin America is the fastest-growing market for U.S. exports. Aware of the economic stakes and worried that instability in the region could threaten profits, U.S. corporations spent more than $92 million lobbying Congress in the latter half of the 1990s. Especially disturbing is the finding that in three of the four countries investigated by the CPI reporting team, U.S. aid was implicated in human rights abuses. How deep is U.S. involvement in Latin America? According to CPI's investigative team, the level of U.S. personnel, cash and risk in Latin America is now greater than during our nation's commitment in El Salvador in the 1980s. The danger in all of this is that most Americans know little about the risks that U.S. troops and other personnel are being exposed to in Mexico and Central and South America. As CPI's investigative report makes clear, U.S. policymakers, namely Congress and the Bush administration, need to be more forthcoming about our goals and activities in the region. That way, at least, the American public will have an opportunity to decide whether our presence in Latin America is in our national interest or if it's time we packed up and came home. The Center for Public Integrity's series of stories about the role of the U.S. military in Latin America can be found at www.public-i.org/story_01_071201.htm. James Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is editor and publisher of politicomagazine.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Compromise, Hell!
Orion Orion Magazine November | December 2004 Wendell Berry Compromise, Hell! Economic WMDs are being used against our people in a version of freedom that makes greed the dominant virtue WE ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY -- I mean our country itself, our land. This is a terrible thing to know, but it is not a reason for despair unless we decide to continue the destruction. If we decide to continue the destruction, that will not be because we have no other choice. This destruction is not necessary. It is not inevitable, except that by our submissiveness we make it so. We Americans are not usually thought to be a submissive people, but of course we are. Why else would we allow our country to be destroyed? Why else would we be rewarding its destroyers? Why else would we all -- by proxies we have given to greedy corporations and corrupt politicians -- be participating in its destruction? Most of us are still too sane to piss in our own cistern, but we allow others to do so and we reward them for it. We reward them so well, in fact, that those who piss in our cistern are wealthier than the rest of us. How do we submit? By not being radical enough. Or by not being thorough enough, which is the same thing. Since the beginning of the conservation effort in our country, conservationists have too often believed that we could protect the land without protecting the people. This has begun to change, but for a while yet we will have to reckon with the old assumption that we can preserve the natural world by protecting wilderness areas while we neglect or destroy the economic landscapes -- the farms and ranches and working forests -- and the people who use them. That assumption is understandable in view of the worsening threats to wilderness areas, but it is wrong. If conservationists hope to save even the wild lands and wild creatures, they are going to have to address issues of economy, which is to say issues of the health of the landscapes and the towns and cities where we do our work, and the quality of that work, and the well-being of the people who do the work. Governments seem to be making the opposite error, believing that the people can be adequately protected without protecting the land. And here I am not talking about parties or party doctrines, but about the dominant political assumption. Sooner or later, governments will have to recognize that if the land does not prosper, nothing else can prosper for very long. We can have no industry or trade or wealth or security if we don't uphold the health of the land and the people and the people's work. It is merely a fact that the land, here and everywhere, is suffering. We have the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico and undrinkable water to attest to the toxicity of our agriculture. We know that we are carelessly and wastefully logging our forests. We know that soil erosion, air and water pollution, urban sprawl, the proliferation of highways and garbage are making our lives always less pleasant, less healthful, less sustainable, and our dwelling places more ugly. Photograph | Bradley Simmons/Picturequest Photograph | Charles E. Rotkin/CORBIS Nearly forty years ago my state of Kentucky, like other coal-producing states, began an effort to regulate strip mining. While that effort has continued, and has imposed certain requirements of reclamation, strip mining has become steadily more destructive of the land and the land's future. We are now permitting the destruction of entire mountains and entire watersheds. No war, so far, has done such extensive or such permanent damage. If we know that coal is an exhaustible resource, whereas the forests over it are with proper use inexhaustible, and that strip mining destroys the forest virtually forever, how can we permit this destruction? If we honor at all that fragile creature the topsoil, so long in the making, so miraculously made, so indispensable to all life, how can we destroy it? If we believe, as so many of us profess to do, that the Earth is God's property and is full of His glory, how can we do harm to any part of it? In Kentucky, as in other unfortunate states, and again at great public cost, we have allowed -- in fact we have officially encouraged -- the establishment of the confined animal-feeding industry, which exploits and abuses everything involved: the land, the people, the animals, and the consumers. If we love our country, as so many of us profess to do, how can we so desecrate it? But the economic damage is not confined just to our farms and forests. For the sake of job creation, in Kentucky, and in other backward states, we have lavished public money on corporations that come in and stay only so long as they can exploit people here more cheaply than elsewhere. The general purpose of the present economy is to exploit, not to foster or conserve. Look carefully, if you doubt me, at the centers of the larger towns
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry left leaning Polls
- Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be honest, I prefer the option of None of the above are suitable, please go back and try again. That was my line, I believe. Was it? I couldn't remember where I had heard it, but loved it as soon as I did. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol update
I can understand that. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 05:06 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol update SNIP Sorry for my long reply. I am trying to explain myself without offending anyone. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Peter, A few additional comments in the benefits of fuel ethanol over methanol follow. A complete distillery setup can lower electric bills due to the surplus generation capability from burning the unreacted biomass while producing ethanol and other products to sell (xylitol, furfural, depending on composition of biomass). Any business that generates a cellulosic waste (vegetable processors) can offset electrical cost by generating electricity from waste and produce additional by-products for sale. Our processing system gets ethanol, furfural, xylitol, carbon dioxide, gypsum, and liquid fertilizer. Other processing for methanol only gets methanol and liquid fertilizer. Ethanol is a satisfactory non-toxic hydrogen source for fuel cells. Best wishes, Peggy Hi Walt ; Thanks very much for your post. Your project and web site are fascinating. I have a project which hasn't taken form yet, but I hope it will be something like Windward. Only in a lot warmer climate (and quite regrettably for an expat like myself, outside the US). Possibly I wil buy the land next month (100 ht), now only trees and jungle. Huge project for an individual like myself. Got to start somewhere. I read the low temp methanol patent application and trying to understand it now. Very promising indeed. Tom Reed has published a methanol book (references posted in the archives). Does anyone have it? Comments? Peter G. Thailand ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
I have been experimenting with something similar, although, using a 1 1/2 ton hydraulic jack ( hand pumped ). I need to work on the frame, but, the hydraulic jack, just drives the wedge right through the wood. Since my fireplace can only take about a 18 inch log in the back, this is the max size I cut my wood to ( usually only about 12 to 16 inches - the jack only has 12 inches of movement, so the last little bit, may still hold, but, the log is still split and will easily pull apart. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 19:43 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Natural Phenomena or Divine Manifestation?
http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/question.html#mark Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada! Fritz I've done that too, and it's my general preference. However, we now have some hardwood logs that are about 18-24 inches across (half a metre or more), and green, so that's tough work with an axe, even with a maul and wedges. Definitely gets tedious after a few cord. Darryl McMahon - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Thanks for the idea Greg. I will have a couple of 4-ton hydraulic jacks to hand next summer, after we finish building the foundation under the summer place. I really need to get the welder wired up, so I can build a frame and bed for the log and splitting head. Hmmm, I wonder how portable I can make this? A rope behind the splitting head to retract it. No power required other than an armstrong driver. Darryl McMahon From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Date sent: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:03:24 -0600 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been experimenting with something similar, although, using a 1 1/2 ton hydraulic jack ( hand pumped ). I need to work on the frame, but, the hydraulic jack, just drives the wedge right through the wood. Since my fireplace can only take about a 18 inch log in the back, this is the max size I cut my wood to ( usually only about 12 to 16 inches - the jack only has 12 inches of movement, so the last little bit, may still hold, but, the log is still split and will easily pull apart. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 19:43 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lost in Twitland
In the words of Adolf Hitler, If you tell a big enough lie, people will believe it. Some years back, the U.S, had laws against media concentration. These laws were rescinded; perhaps for a reason. I smell intent, and conspiracy. If the enemies of freedom and the constitutional republic can think and plan that far ahead, their friends should take heed and do as much. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20263 [snip] From the archives: Results of previous PIPA/Knowledge Networks poll: - A 57% majority believed Iraq was either directly involved in carrying out the 9/11 attacks or had provided substantial support to al-Qaeda - 82% either said that experts mostly agree Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda or experts are evenly divided on the question - 45% believe that evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda has been found - 60% believe that just before the war Iraq either had weapons of mass destruction or a major program for developing them - 65% said most experts say Iraq did have them or that experts are divided on the question - estimates of the number of US troop fatalities in Iraq varied widely - 59% were unaware that the majority of world public opinion is opposed to the US war with Iraq - asked how many nuclear weapons the U.S. has, the median estimate was 200 (the actual number is 6,000) These beliefs are closely correlated with intentions to vote for Bush. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] 31 Similarities Between Hitler and President Bush
[1]1 Similarities Between Hitler and President Bush by Edward Jayne [2]www.dissidentvoice.org August 29, 2004 (revised from an earlier version posted March 29, 2003) When President Bush decided to invade Iraq, his spokesmen began comparing Saddam Hussein to Adolph Hitler, the most monstrous figure in modern history.Ê Everybody was therefore shocked when a high German bureaucrat turned the tables by comparing Bush himself with Hitler.Ê As to be expected, she (the bureaucrat) was forced to resign because of her extreme disrespect for an American president.Ê However, the resemblance sticks--there are too many similarities to be ignored, some of which may be listed here. Like Hitler, President Bush was not elected by a majority, but was forced to engage in political maneuvering in order to gain office. Like Hitler, Bush began to curtail civil liberties in response to a well-publicized disaster, in Hitler's case the Reichstag fire, in Bush's case the 9-11 catastrophe. Like Hitler, Bush went on to pursue a reckless foreign policy without the mandate of the electorate and despite the opposition of most foreign nations. Like Hitler, Bush has increased his popularity with conservative voters by mounting an aggressive public relations campaign against foreign enemies.Ê Just as Hitler cited international communism to justify Germany's military buildup, Bush has used Al Qaeda and the so-called Axis of Evil to justify our current military buildup.Ê Paradoxically none of the nations in this axis--Iraq, Iran and North Korea--have had anything to do with each other. Like Hitler, Bush has promoted militarism in the midst of economic recession (or depression as it was called during the thirties).Ê First he used war preparations to help subsidize defense industries (Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, etc.) and presumably the rest of the economy on a trickle-down basis.Ê Now he turns to the very same corporations to rebuild Iraq, again without competitive bidding and at extravagant profit levels. Like Hitler, Bush displays great populist enthusiasm in his patriotic speeches, but primarily serves wealthy investors who subsidize his election campaigns and share with him their comfortable lifestyle.Ê As he himself jokes, he treats these individuals at the pinnacle of our economy as his true political base. Like Hitler, Bush envisages our nation's unique historic destiny almost as a religious cause sanctioned by God.Ê Just as Hitler did for Germany, he takes pride in his providential role in spreading his version of Americanism throughout the entire world. Like Hitler, Bush promotes a future world order that guarantees his own nation's hegemonic supremacy rather than cooperative harmony under the authority of the United Nations (or League of Nations). Like Hitler, Bush quickly makes and breaks diplomatic ties, and he offers generous promises that he soon abandons, as in the cases of Mexico, Russia, Afghanistan, and even New York City.Ê The same goes for U.S. domestic programs.Ê Once Bush was elected, many leaders of these programs learned to dread his making any kind of an appearance to praise their success, since this was almost inevitably followed by severe cuts in their budgets. Like Hitler, Bush scraps international treaties, most notably the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Biological Weapons Convention, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, the Convention on the Prohibition of Land Mines, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Kyoto Global Warming Accord, and the International Criminal Court. Like Hitler, Bush repeats lies often enough that they come to be accepted as the truth.Ê Bush and his spokesmen argued, for example, that they had taken every measure possible to avoid war, than an invasion of Iraq would diminish (not intensify) the terrorist threat against the U.S., that Iraq was linked with Al Qaeda, and that nothing whatsoever had been achieved by U.N. inspectors to warrant the postponement of U.S. invasion plans.Ê All of this was false.Ê They also insisted that Iraq hid numerous weapons it did not possess since the mid-190s, and they refused to acknowledge the absence of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq since the early nineties.Ê As perhaps to be expected, they indignantly accused others of deception and evasiveness. Like Hitler, Bush incessantly shifted his arguments to justify invading Iraq--from Iraq's WMD threat to the elimination of Saddam Hussein, to his supposed Al Qaeda connection, to the creation of Iraqi democracy in the Middle East as a model for neighboring states, and back again to the WMD threat.Ê As soon as one excuse for the war was challenged, Bush advanced to another, but only to shift back again at another time. Like Hitler, Bush and his cohorts
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
http://www.harborfreight.com Find a Keyword LOG 12 items returned Manually operated -- 6 TON MINI LOG SPLITTER $59.99 TWO SPEED, 10 TON HYDRAULIC LOG SPLITTER $149.99 TWO SPEED, 10 TON HYDRAULIC LOG SPLITTER $159.99 4 TON ELECTRIC LOG SPLITTER $199.99 Thanks for the idea Greg. I will have a couple of 4-ton hydraulic jacks to hand next summer, after we finish building the foundation under the summer place. I really need to get the welder wired up, so I can build a frame and bed for the log and splitting head. Hmmm, I wonder how portable I can make this? A rope behind the splitting head to retract it. No power required other than an armstrong driver. Darryl McMahon From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Date sent: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:03:24 -0600 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been experimenting with something similar, although, using a 1 1/2 ton hydraulic jack ( hand pumped ). I need to work on the frame, but, the hydraulic jack, just drives the wedge right through the wood. Since my fireplace can only take about a 18 inch log in the back, this is the max size I cut my wood to ( usually only about 12 to 16 inches - the jack only has 12 inches of movement, so the last little bit, may still hold, but, the log is still split and will easily pull apart. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 19:43 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
No problem. How about a large coil spring ( for gates ) instead of a rope?They normally run around $20.00 or so ( last I checked was about 1 1/2 - 2 yrs ago ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:21 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Thanks for the idea Greg. snip A rope behind the splitting head to retract it. No power required other than an armstrong driver. Darryl McMahon ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] japan earthquake
here's hoping that it's over... From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] japan earthquake Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:49:45 +0900 Greetings Andres Thanks for your concern, that's very kind of you. Keith, You ok? Yes thanks, we're fine, it was far from here, at Niigata, north of Tokyo. Two deaths, more than 90 hurt, but there's danger of landslides following the typhoon, everything's still soaked. A bullet train got derailed, or partly derailed, nobody hurt, extraordinary. I've been through earthquakes that strong and it is a powerful experience. So have I, once - yes, a very powerful experience. Quite salutary - you think the ground is good solid stuff under your feet and suddenly it gets up and shakes itself like a dog with fleas. It's quite something to live in Tokyo. It's only a matter of time until there's another major earthquake there, everybody knows it, and there are reminders of it all the time, tremors every day, sometimes three or four a day or more, and some of them are strong, you have to grab hold of something. It's amazing how quickly you get used to it. People just take it in their stride, and so did we. You get unused to it again pretty quickly too. There are only very occasional tremors in this part of Japan and we're not used to it at all now. gambatte o kudasareta :-) Thankyou. Regards Keith andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?
about enviro impact now) From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:35:19 -0400 Pyrolysis is not limitted to a single feedstock such as the practice of making biodiesel via esterification/transesterification. You can use it to degrade tires, plastic, organic wastes and biomass in general into useable gases and liquid fuels. The tough pill to swallow is the intense energy inputs and mechanical costs. But then again, recovering energy and reusing it is better than landfilling it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? so what are the advantages compared to our way? From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:55:10 -0500 This is simple pyrolysis. One heats up any plant or amimal matter, in the absence of oxygen. Another term for the same process is distructive distillation. It produces a mixture somewhat like crude oil (fossil) The trick is to do it effeciently. See for example http://www.btgworld.com/technologies/pyrolysis.html frag lag wrote: http://www.schoolsite.utwente.nl/ct/profielwerkstukken/PWS/scheikunde/rijden_op_hout.doc/ A dutch web site ,the name under the firest picture (top one of 3) says raw biodiesel ??? looks more like dino to me... part of the text Het maken van biodiesel is geen koud kunstje. Vaste biomassa wordt bij hoge temperaturen (~ 500 oC) en in afwezigheid van zuurstof omgezet tot een gas dat afkoelt tot een vloeistof. Dit proces, pyrolyse, staat nog in de kinderschoenen. rough translation: Making biodiesel isn't easy , solid biomass is gassed at 500 degrees celcious (in a vaccume) that cools to a liquid, this process called pyrolyse is still in it's infantcy. any idea what they are talking about? (btw , utwente in the link means university of twente) _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob /ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] biodiesel process agitation question
When you end up with emulsion, just store it away., the water will eventually settle out, although it will take about 4 weeks.punasurfer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Hey Darryl, its easyer when frozen Fritz - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada! Fritz I've done that too, and it's my general preference. However, we now have some hardwood logs that are about 18-24 inches across (half a metre or more), and green, so that's tough work with an axe, even with a maul and wedges. Definitely gets tedious after a few cord. Darryl McMahon - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Canadian Trash
Speaking of land fills, any opinions on Mount Trashmore in Michigan? It is a very nice ski hill we hear, built up thanks to a lot of Canadian trash exported from Ontario. The liners are supposed to prevent leaching. Do they work? If so, here's your trivial pursuit question for the day: Since the prairies of Canada are short on ski hills, what if ALL the trash of North America were sent there? How high a ski hill could we build there? There's a guy on Canada-L who says that if we built a very high Mount Trashmore in Canada, say 60 miles high, it will get blown away by centrifugal force but not if it is built at the equator. Is that correct? If it is, maybe all of the world's trash should be sent to the equator. Z http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the human person Quoted words from UDHR/CAT On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, frag lag wrote: would pyrolysis use less energy then to bring it to a landfill? (not talking about enviro impact now) From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:35:19 -0400 Pyrolysis is not limitted to a single feedstock such as the practice of making biodiesel via esterification/transesterification. You can use it to degrade tires, plastic, organic wastes and biomass in general into useable gases and liquid fuels. The tough pill to swallow is the intense energy inputs and mechanical costs. But then again, recovering energy and reusing it is better than landfilling it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? so what are the advantages compared to our way? From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:55:10 -0500 This is simple pyrolysis. One heats up any plant or amimal matter, in the absence of oxygen. Another term for the same process is distructive distillation. It produces a mixture somewhat like crude oil (fossil) The trick is to do it effeciently. See for example http://www.btgworld.com/technologies/pyrolysis.html frag lag wrote: http://www.schoolsite.utwente.nl/ct/profielwerkstukken/PWS/scheikunde/rijden_op_hout.doc/ A dutch web site ,the name under the firest picture (top one of 3) says raw biodiesel ??? looks more like dino to me... part of the text Het maken van biodiesel is geen koud kunstje. Vaste biomassa wordt bij hoge temperaturen (~ 500 oC) en in afwezigheid van zuurstof omgezet tot een gas dat afkoelt tot een vloeistof. Dit proces, pyrolyse, staat nog in de kinderschoenen. rough translation: Making biodiesel isn't easy , solid biomass is gassed at 500 degrees celcious (in a vaccume) that cools to a liquid, this process called pyrolyse is still in it's infantcy. any idea what they are talking about? (btw , utwente in the link means university of twente) _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob /ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Biofuel] japan earthquake
You really got a bad year. here's hoping that it's over... Here's hoping... But we've been lucky ourselves, very little damage, just FAR too much rain! The village was lucky too, some damage, not too severe, and one grandfather farmer injured in the typhoon, he's still unconscious, I really hope he makes it. In the town a lot of houses were flooded, waist-high water with the tatami mats floating around, what a mess. Japan as a whole has definitely had a bad year. Regards Keith From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] japan earthquake Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:49:45 +0900 Greetings Andres Thanks for your concern, that's very kind of you. Keith, You ok? Yes thanks, we're fine, it was far from here, at Niigata, north of Tokyo. Two deaths, more than 90 hurt, but there's danger of landslides following the typhoon, everything's still soaked. A bullet train got derailed, or partly derailed, nobody hurt, extraordinary. I've been through earthquakes that strong and it is a powerful experience. So have I, once - yes, a very powerful experience. Quite salutary - you think the ground is good solid stuff under your feet and suddenly it gets up and shakes itself like a dog with fleas. It's quite something to live in Tokyo. It's only a matter of time until there's another major earthquake there, everybody knows it, and there are reminders of it all the time, tremors every day, sometimes three or four a day or more, and some of them are strong, you have to grab hold of something. It's amazing how quickly you get used to it. People just take it in their stride, and so did we. You get unused to it again pretty quickly too. There are only very occasional tremors in this part of Japan and we're not used to it at all now. gambatte o kudasareta :-) Thankyou. Regards Keith andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry-Marshall Plan
Hi, After reading of operation keelhaul, I now longer can use the phrase Marshall Plan in a way synonymous with good actions. Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christ is not a Republican nor is he a Democrat. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?
scales out and measure. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? would pyrolysis use less energy then to bring it to a landfill? (not talking about enviro impact now) From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:35:19 -0400 Pyrolysis is not limitted to a single feedstock such as the practice of making biodiesel via esterification/transesterification. You can use it to degrade tires, plastic, organic wastes and biomass in general into useable gases and liquid fuels. The tough pill to swallow is the intense energy inputs and mechanical costs. But then again, recovering energy and reusing it is better than landfilling it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? so what are the advantages compared to our way? From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:55:10 -0500 This is simple pyrolysis. One heats up any plant or amimal matter, in the absence of oxygen. Another term for the same process is distructive distillation. It produces a mixture somewhat like crude oil (fossil) The trick is to do it effeciently. See for example http://www.btgworld.com/technologies/pyrolysis.html frag lag wrote: http://www.schoolsite.utwente.nl/ct/profielwerkstukken/PWS/scheikunde/rijden_op_hout.doc/ A dutch web site ,the name under the firest picture (top one of 3) says raw biodiesel ??? looks more like dino to me... part of the text Het maken van biodiesel is geen koud kunstje. Vaste biomassa wordt bij hoge temperaturen (~ 500 oC) en in afwezigheid van zuurstof omgezet tot een gas dat afkoelt tot een vloeistof. Dit proces, pyrolyse, staat nog in de kinderschoenen. rough translation: Making biodiesel isn't easy , solid biomass is gassed at 500 degrees celcious (in a vaccume) that cools to a liquid, this process called pyrolyse is still in it's infantcy. any idea what they are talking about? (btw , utwente in the link means university of twente) _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob /bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for ishness --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry-Marshall Plan
kin. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry-Marshall Plan Hi, After reading of operation keelhaul, I now longer can use the phrase Marshall Plan in a way synonymous with good actions. Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christ is not a Republican nor is he a Democrat. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lost in Twitland
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lost in Twitland In the words of Adolf Hitler, If you tell a big enough lie, people will believe it. It actually wasn't Hitler that said that, but it is attributed to hime because it appeared in Mein Kampf. I shall leave it at that otherwise it will unerve some for sure. Luc Some years back, the U.S, had laws against media concentration. These laws were rescinded; perhaps for a reason. I smell intent, and conspiracy. If the enemies of freedom and the constitutional republic can think and plan that far ahead, their friends should take heed and do as much. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20263 [snip] From the archives: Results of previous PIPA/Knowledge Networks poll: - A 57% majority believed Iraq was either directly involved in carrying out the 9/11 attacks or had provided substantial support to al-Qaeda - 82% either said that experts mostly agree Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda or experts are evenly divided on the question - 45% believe that evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda has been found - 60% believe that just before the war Iraq either had weapons of mass destruction or a major program for developing them - 65% said most experts say Iraq did have them or that experts are divided on the question - estimates of the number of US troop fatalities in Iraq varied widely - 59% were unaware that the majority of world public opinion is opposed to the US war with Iraq - asked how many nuclear weapons the U.S. has, the median estimate was 200 (the actual number is 6,000) These beliefs are closely correlated with intentions to vote for Bush. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
If one where to pump hydraulics by hand it would be nice to have a pump that would pump at a low volume/low pressure to take up the slack and be able to switch to low volume/high pressure to actually split the wood. I wonder if anything like that exists as a stock item? Doug - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : I have been experimenting with something similar, although, using a 1 1/2 : ton hydraulic jack ( hand pumped ). : : I need to work on the frame, but, the hydraulic jack, just drives the wedge : right through the wood. : : Since my fireplace can only take about a 18 inch log in the back, this is : the max size I cut my wood to ( usually only about 12 to 16 inches - the : jack only has 12 inches of movement, so the last little bit, may still : hold, but, the log is still split and will easily pull apart. : : Greg H. : : - Original Message - : From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 19:43 : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : : : Hi. : I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found : it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective : in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more : expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - : runs off a 20 cfm compressor. : : Mike : Canberra, Australia. : : : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Hi, Employ springs to draw the wedge back to start. Trick is to find that spring that is strong enough to do the job and not appreciably add to the splitting stroke effort. Doug - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : Thanks for the idea Greg. I will have a couple of 4-ton hydraulic jacks to hand : next summer, after we finish building the foundation under the summer place. I : really need to get the welder wired up, so I can build a frame and bed for the log : and splitting head. Hmmm, I wonder how portable I can make this? A rope behind : the splitting head to retract it. No power required other than an armstrong : driver. : : Darryl McMahon : --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Well... that answered my question, didn't it Doug - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : : TWO SPEED, 10 TON HYDRAULIC LOG SPLITTER $149.99 : TWO SPEED, 10 TON HYDRAULIC LOG SPLITTER $159.99 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
