Re: [biofuel] Cleaning caged poly tanks
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 20:27 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cleaning caged poly tanks Hello All, A question about the IBC need to clean out ? if its only motor oil and less than 5 % why waste the time? We cut used oil into Diesel fuel 4% and final filter thru a DHAL filter slightly over 400 large engines 20 plus years no problems see also Baldwin Filter company and pdf file of recycler . Paul You already have to change the fuel filter 2 or 3 times with the cleaning of the gunk from the fuel tank, why add to it? In addition, if you are using the tank, as a part of your BioDiesel reactor, who knows what kind of results you would get once you try and make BioDiesel with the residual Dino oil in it. Has anyone tried to make a batch of BioDiesel, with motor oil mixed in with the Veggie Oil?If so, what was the results like? Why take chances with having to replace fuel filter more, or having a large batch of BioDiesel go wrong? When a fuel filter cost $15.00 ( US ) each, it would cost less to clean out the tank than to replace the fuel filter again. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ zz
Ken, If you read my original question you will see the ceramic-filter is not in the proces of making BioDiesel. I have seen clear Bio-Diesel from the Acid -Base proces getting cloudy(hazy) when I mix It with regular Diesel when I want to produce B20 or higher. When I heat It to approx 40 ¡C or filtrate with Seitz K1000 filtrationplates It becomes clear again. I have determined the water-content of the BD with a Karl Fisher titrator to be approx. 0.3%. My theory is that a component of the BD is not solluable in regular Diesel and by mixing them can be filtered out, because by adding more BD It gets cloudy again and by adding more regular Diesel It stays clear. Can someone confirm this theory? Jan Lieuwe - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:43 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ What's this washed ceramic filter? The links I read about making biodiesel don't say anything about filtering. Ken --- Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds reasonable but what causes this wax component, Is this unsufficient washing? JLB - Original Message - From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ it soudnss almosst as if you have soome wax componednt theat comes out at jusst that top of the fence temp, few degreess either way, i migh chill a small sample, run it thru a washed ceramic filter the try to figureee from ther, buck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:36:39 +0900 Another problem email. I hope we'll sort this out soon. - Keith From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:29:32 +0200 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I have seen clear Bio-Diesel from the Awwcid - Base proces getting cloudy(hazy) when I mix It with regular Diesel when I want to produce B20 or higher. When I heat It to approx 40 ¡C or filtrate with Seitz K1000 filtrationplates It becomes clear again. I have determined the water-content of the BD with a Karl Fisher titrator to be approx. 0.3%. My theory is that a component of the BD is not solluable in regular Diesel and by mixing them can be filtered out, because by adding more BD It gets cloudy again and by adding more regular Diesel It stays clear. Can someone confirm this theory? Jan Lieuwe Bolding Chemical Engineer The Netherlands - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Greg Harbican To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel It warmed up, and, what ever it was that was making it cloudy went back in to solution. My guess is that you didn't have a complete reaction, I say this because of your low PH, if I remember right, good BioDiesel has a near neutral Ph ( 7 ). Did you let it cool down and if so did it become cloudy again? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jeff To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 13:02 Subject: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I wonder why it stayed cloudy untill it sat in the sun for a couple of minutes. Any ideas? Jeff ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to
Re: [Biofuel] Ice Farming in the desert
Antarctica is very good for ice-making and ice-bergs have made it as far as the equator Z http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ice Farming in the desert Hey, Thanks Steven, just zapped an email to the library to see if it's available via inter-library loan. Doug - Original Message - From: Melander, Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Ice Farming in the desert : In regards to forming ice at night, take a look at the book Ceramic Houses by Nader Kahili. : There are numerous examples of structures designed to make ice naturally and store it (ice farming in the desert). Also, : another interesting part of the book are cooling towers for homes. : Steve M. : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Behalf Of Doug Younker : Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:45 PM : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate - : solar. : : : Hi, : : Interesting; another post said the Egyptians form ice at night, by ice : forming do you mean the water froze into block of ice? I would guess that a : bit of ice forming may suggest that it may be possible to transfer the heat : in a cool room to the night time sky. Are there any practical example of : this have been done or being done? The post mentioning the Egyptians on : mentioned that they made ice by radiating heat to the night time sky, but : there was indication how they went about it. Thanks : Doug : - Original Message - : From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:04 AM : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate - : solar. : : : : Greetings, : : Actually I have put a bottle of water in my solar funnel cooker and left : it : : out at night when the temperature was in the 50F and had ice form. It : will : : only do it for me on a real clear night, it does not work on a cloudy : night. : : Bright Blessings, : : Kim : : : : At 05:12 PM 9/15/2004, you wrote: : : Hi, : : : : But, to create ice wouldn't that require the night time temperatures : to : : get to freezing? Even if the goal was to cool a heat sink, power is still : : would be required. : : Doug : : : : - Original Message - : : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:47 AM : : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate - : : solar. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Greetings to all. : : : : : : A new member here. : : : : : : If you have clear skies at night most of the time, solar panels can be : : used in reverse to radiate heat all night long. Circulate anti freeze : from : : them : : : to your block of ice during the night and use the ice in the usual way. : : Not shure how much heat you can get rid of in this way. A calculation or : : : experiment is in order. The panels could be used for heat gain during : the : : day in their usual way. Mount on top of your dirt mound for shade. : : : : : : : : : ___ : : : Biofuel mailing list : : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : : : : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : : : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : : : : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : : : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : : : : : : --- : : Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. : : Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). : : Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 09/06/2004 : : : : ___ : : Biofuel mailing list : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : : : : ___ : : Biofuel mailing list : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : : : --- : Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. : Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). : Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 09/17/2004 : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey
Re: [Biofuel] Why We Cannot Win
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Why We Cannot Win Hi; As a Canadian I have watched the Iraq situation with concern and apprehension. Like most Canadians I feel strongly connected to U.S.A.; Funny I don't feel that way, and now even more so than ever. I have always loved and respected their love of capitalism and democracy. They actually have a great hubris and love of money, not the same. It is very sad that so many Amercians and innocent Iraq citizens are being killed or seriously wounded especially when the deaths could of/can be avoided. It is the duty of every soldier to refuse to obey illegal orders, and since the whole invasion is illegal they have a legal and moral duty to disobey and get out. What is far more disturbing is the loss of freedom and individual rights within the USA--a loss that can easily spread across to Canada and beyond. Too late,already done. To any intelligent observer the best course of action, post 9/11, would of been the launch of a co-ordinated international police action NOT an unnecessary, illegal, and unjust war--a never ending one. As soon as the democratic process of a general vote at the Un was obviously NOT going to be in favour of war, the US walked out and invaded. America would of been completely supported in such an action, would of been accepted as leaders in the action, and all of the world would of been significantly safer with such an action. I know that there are many Americans who share my concerns. I know that it is a significant act of bravery for an American to actual voice their opposition to the Iraq war--I encourage and salute such bravery. I pray that America will return to her previous role as a moderate, intelligent, and benign world leader ( one with flaws but always willing to debate and change their actions). America has never ever done anything sacrificially. It's hubris makes it think so, but the hard facts are that whenever the USA has helped anyone it has ALWAYS been with a whole whack of strings attached. Luc Alex --- Biofuel mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuelBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Keeping older vehicles on the road - was Re: [Biofuel] goodreading
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Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker busters, but they are not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs, Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said. He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991 Gulf war and the more recent US-led invasion of Iraq . The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also declined to comment. The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's military advantages and ensure US strategic and tactical interests, Haaretz said. Bombs for neighbours? Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made, one-tonne bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike against Iran or Syria . A senior Israeli security source confirmed the Haaretz story saying: ... bunker busters could serve Israel against Iran , or possibly Syria . Our response to any invasive measure will be massive, Massoud Jazairi, spokesman for Iran 's Revolutionary Guard, said in Tehran . Iran , which does not recognise Israel 's right to exist, says its nuclear programme has only peaceful purposes to meet its growing energy needs. An Iranian Defence Ministry spokesman said the disclosure of a US-Israeli deal could be psychological warfare to test us ... This relationship has a long history. The United States has given Israel more advanced weapons than this. ~~ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
So at the end of the day, the choice is yours. If you choose to run BD in a PD TDI, more power to you. Just be aware that if you have an injector failure down the road, your dealership *may* blame the BD and refuse to cover it. Cheers. jh Furthermore, I believe that any commercial producer of BD should cover any fuel related failures. The same goes for petrol diesel. If the filter clogs, that is never covered under warrenty. It's known as routine maintenance. I recently installed a CAT fuel filter, which the big rigs use in my VW for extra its filtering capacity at 2 microns. Your PD needs plenty of flow, which the CAT delivers. Again, check out the tdiclub.com, if you would like more info. Thanks, Todd This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set
- Original Message - From: Adefolu Adedeji [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set Hi Steve, I have a gen set in Nigeria proposed to power a Quarry plant. What kits do I need to convert it to run on vegetable and other organic food waste. I'll leave that to Steve or someone who knows the answer however,... I am a medical doctor and not too technically minded. How do I get a mini biodiesel manufacturing plant. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html all the info you could want. Also check out the processors page; http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html for some ideas as to what type you might want to build. I also am not very mechanically minded, being the son of a doctor :) and never taught the finer things of working with one's hands as opposed to one's head, but that did not stop me from building a top notch unit , IMHO, that suits my needs just fine and is expandable should I need it to. Luc Folu Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Slogan
Biodiesel is for life ? Yup, that one does it for me. It has enough word play to keep the grey matter going, and it says it all. Make 'em think,damnit ! Luc - Original Message - From: Andres Yver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Slogan On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 08:18 PM, Bill Clark wrote: Biodiesel is for Life Nice! Short and sweet, works on many levels. It's the converse of that other really good one, fossil fuels are extinct. andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] replacement diesel engine
Dear Al, Mazda 626's actually came out as diesels for awhile... 86-91 from memory I think. As for whacking a diesel engine INTO a car... theres a fair bit of work involved. On the older engines its not that big of a deal, but on newer cars its a real pain, not to meantion changing trans, tailshatfs, etc. Hope it helps Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:41 AM Subject: [Biofuel] replacement diesel engine Hi, There has been some talk on this list a while back about small cubic image replacement engine for American cars, but I was wondering does anyone make them for foreign cars? I would like to a diesel in a mazda 626 or toyota camry. I really didn't spend much time looking, but are there options to do this? Thanks, Al ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst
OK, I am getting old, or stupid or both :) I put about 90 gr of NaOH too much in my batch of 80 liters when it needed only 400gr I put 490gr due to a math misnomer. Anyone know how I can correct this barring having the lobotamy reversed ? Thanks Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
The speaker at the biodiesel lecture at the TX Green Energy Roundup on Friday said that the new 2005 biodiesel autos (and I think he said VW's) are coming off the line from the manufacturer with a blended biodiesel product in their engines. Can't blame a customer for the manufacturer's choice. It sets the precedent. Someone might ant to substantiate this comment. Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI So at the end of the day, the choice is yours. If you choose to run BD in a PD TDI, more power to you. Just be aware that if you have an injector failure down the road, your dealership *may* blame the BD and refuse to cover it. Cheers. jh Furthermore, I believe that any commercial producer of BD should cover any fuel related failures. The same goes for petrol diesel. If the filter clogs, that is never covered under warrenty. It's known as routine maintenance. I recently installed a CAT fuel filter, which the big rigs use in my VW for extra its filtering capacity at 2 microns. Your PD needs plenty of flow, which the CAT delivers. Again, check out the tdiclub.com, if you would like more info. Thanks, Todd This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
I've used b10, b20, b30, b50,b80 all approximate percentages and with zero problems in my 96 passat tdi. If you go to www.tdiclub.com you will find many many tdi owners (older and new vehicles) using b100 for years with no problems. Chuck - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI - Original Message - From: m gildow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI After having a VW Pickup and becoming interested in Biodiesel as a fuel I have bought a new 2004 VW Jetta TDI. I have read several postings from various chat pages that the new TDIs shouldn't run Biodiesel. Does anyone have any experience with the new TDIs? What does the instruction booklet say? If the factory forbids the use of bio, stick with it. I would like to start using Biodiesel in it either as an addative or straight, but don't want to cause any problems. Well, Mel, ( I just had to do that) from what is my understanding ALL new model european cars are BD friendly since the 80's. I could be a little off on the actual dates but it is a sure thing for recent models, from the info posted here in the past. L. Not true. Opel in his new DI engines forbidds use of bio in any form. New VW models do not tolerate biodiesel also (any form, not even B5) in some engines. We have had a LC Toyota (100 series) with a totally broken IP after only 6.000 km on neat bio (costly repair, 12.000 US). We've been in the EU for a very short time (meaning biofuels are legal now in Slovenija) and have had serious damage on engines. I could go on and on: BMW - no good OBD shuts the engine down, Peugeot - will stop engine, beacuse antiPM chemical injected in the exhaust is not compatible with neat bio, Mercedes - OBD gets all fuzzy, can't recognize the neat bio as a fuel ... I recently learned thet people in Germany, though having neat bio at quite a lot of fuel stations, actually don't drive on it and strongly recommend against. Except for farmers and bus fleets owned by cities, very few people drive on bio. VW alone reported about 20M? spent in repairs on warranted VW cars in 2003 for biodiesel usage related damages. Sooo: not all cars come biodiesel ready. Some need to be ordered biodiesel compliant (BMW, Merc, ...) some don't even have this option. Specially suited are older TDIs, most prechamber engines (modification), most new heavy machinery diesels (some need the obvious hoses and gasket change, CAT for example) and most newer gensets. I'm not having good experiences with my car, and I have certified DIN compliant fuel. And, it's not only the gaskets on the pump shaft, if you're wondering. The whole rotor assembly needed to be renewed, it wasn't very expensive, but this means the fuel is not safe for my car in its neat form. Cheers Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] the 'Other' election (Australia)
True.. It'll never be entirely fair to both parties. on the Fosters, seriously... we dont drink that stuff here, Crocodile Dundee was responsible for that. We drink Carlton Draught, and Victoria Bitter (ask for it by name!) Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] the 'Other' election (Australia) Hey Ron, Are you aware of the impact that the FTA will have on our health system here?? == Howdy Michael, I suppose with any FTA, there is a lot of positives/negatives that can be bantered about from every angle. I was thinking more in terms of agriculture since this list is based partly on agriculture. No matter what the outcome, there will always be a spot in my refrigerator for some bottles of Australian Fosters. 8~) Ron B. -Si vis pacem, para bellum- (Vegetius) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] the 'Other' election (Australia)
I was in Sydney about a year and a half ago. There was a radio station with a contest prize of beer for a year. A rival station was making fun of them, saying, Yeah, they'll probably give you Fosters. It was obvious that the brand was not highly regarded there. Brian True.. It'll never be entirely fair to both parties. on the Fosters, seriously... we dont drink that stuff here, Crocodile Dundee was responsible for that. We drink Carlton Draught, and Victoria Bitter (ask for it by name!) Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] the 'Other' election (Australia) Hey Ron, Are you aware of the impact that the FTA will have on our health system here?? == Howdy Michael, I suppose with any FTA, there is a lot of positives/negatives that can be bantered about from every angle. I was thinking more in terms of agriculture since this list is based partly on agriculture. No matter what the outcome, there will always be a spot in my refrigerator for some bottles of Australian Fosters. 8~) Ron B. -Si vis pacem, para bellum- (Vegetius) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
One of my bumper sticker ideas: Jesus was a Liberal Pacifist. At the rate I'm going, my Beetle (TDI) will soon be covered completely with stickers. To think, only a week ago, I had never had any bumper stickers on any car I owned. Just goes to show what living in a country heading down the wrong path can do to a guy. Brian Other stickers: Osama still has HIS job, DO YOU? Bush/bin Laden 2004 Keep al Qaeda strong, Re-elect Bush WWJD? Vote Kerry/Edwards With it being so easy to turn every Bush argument back against him, I don't see why the Democratic Party isn't doing it. Not only is there a lacking in undersanding of the world but also considering the so-called christian support for the illigitimate US government, one needs to only read what the Bible teaches and one would see that It also is overtly socialistic and most definetly NOT materialistic or in favour of hegemony upon the poor, so it's two strikes all the way around. Actually, the only form of government that sees capitalism and government meld is fascism; couple that with misrepresented and obliquely interpreted religious belief and you have the mess the US is in right now. It is neither Christian nor democratic as their actions have more than clearly proven. When actually faced with the democratic process in a general vote at the UN prior to the invasion of sovereign Iraq, when it became clear that the democratic vote process would not favour the warmongers they left off all semblance of their hypocrisy and invaded anyway, throwing off the democratic process proving once and for all that democracy only interests them in word only and that only when it serves their selfish purpose. A complete re-think of the hubris that engulfs this situation is not only needed but necessary if we are not to see perpetual war foisted upon the innnocent in a never ending lust for control of world oil reserves. Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Wayne, You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population. So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US population and we should be very grateful for that. Hakan At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops
Re: [Biofuel] the 'Other' election (Australia)
True.. It'll never be entirely fair to both parties. on the Fosters, seriously... we dont drink that stuff here, Crocodile Dundee was responsible for that. We drink Carlton Draught, and Victoria Bitter (ask for it by name!) Pfff speak for yourself. I like beer so I don't touch anything from CUB, Carlton United Breweries, the brewers of Carlton, VB and Fosters. In Australia people who appreciate beer drink product from breweries such as Coopers, James Boags and then the smaller micro Breweries such as Mountain Goat, Little Creatures and so on. CUB produces the equivalent of Budweiser, Cats P*ss. On the Fosters front, it's not actually brewed in Australia anymore for the international market. I think CUB has an agreement with the brewers of Molson (correct spelling???) where they brew it and ship it into the USA. Now back to recovering from a weekend of supporting the Coopers Brewing Company. Andrew Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] the 'Other' election (Australia) Hey Ron, Are you aware of the impact that the FTA will have on our health system here?? == Howdy Michael, I suppose with any FTA, there is a lot of positives/negatives that can be bantered about from every angle. I was thinking more in terms of agriculture since this list is based partly on agriculture. No matter what the outcome, there will always be a spot in my refrigerator for some bottles of Australian Fosters. 8~) Ron B. -Si vis pacem, para bellum- (Vegetius) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst
I am using the one stage method and NaOH and . plumb out of luck me thinks. I don't know how I got that so screwed up except that I am thinking in terms of tens these days and themetric system lends itself VERY well to increments of ten :) and I probably figured 100 liters instead of 80. That'll teach me to not be paying attention more than that. I hope I didn't screw up the batch. One thing though, I WILL have to get to it before it solidifies, wghich it will do with excess NaOH in it. Ah, the trials and tribulations of biodieseling. Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst If you're only as far as mixing the catalyst with MeOH, then add the appropriate amount of MeOH to dilute the methoxide to the appropriate strength. If you've already added it to the oil, your plumb out of luck. Hope for the best. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst OK, I am getting old, or stupid or both :) I put about 90 gr of NaOH too much in my batch of 80 liters when it needed only 400gr I put 490gr due to a math misnomer. Anyone know how I can correct this barring having the lobotamy reversed ? Thanks Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst
If you're only as far as mixing the catalyst with MeOH, then add the appropriate amount of MeOH to dilute the methoxide to the appropriate strength. If you've already added it to the oil, your plumb out of luck. Hope for the best. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst OK, I am getting old, or stupid or both :) I put about 90 gr of NaOH too much in my batch of 80 liters when it needed only 400gr I put 490gr due to a math misnomer. Anyone know how I can correct this barring having the lobotamy reversed ? Thanks Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
I've used b10, b20, b30, b50,b80 all approximate percentages and with zero problems in my 96 passat tdi. If you go to www.tdiclub.com you will find many many tdi owners (older and new vehicles) using b100 for years with no problems. No one is disputing that pre-2004 TDIs run BD just fine. The question Mel asked, as I understood it, was whether the higher injector pressure found in the new unit injector (Pumpe Duse) engines is incompatible with biodiesel usage. The Bosch designed unit injectors found in the PD engines get up into the neighborhood of 20,000 psi. Questions have been raised on whether BD use is appropriate at such pressures. My understanding is that these pressures are much much higher than either the old distributor pump or common rail designs used in other models. My original point remains unchanged; do not assume that experience with pre2004 TDIs and BD use can be extrapolated to new PD engines. This is not to say that they won't be fine, but the history just isn't there...yet. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] To small batch producersof bio-diesel in minnesota
Greetings All, I am preparing to build my first small scale plant and am wondering if thier are any small scale producers in the twin cites area and north toward brained/baxter that are using wvo as thier prime supply? I would like to talk/vist a working system wiether 30 or 300 gallons in size to gain a better understanding of pro/con of tanks/technique's and related issue's. I have just started to review the archives in hopes of gaining a lot of my answers there, but it would be great to see some in action so to speak. On a side note anyone from mlps/stP going to the workshop in Nevada,Iowa this late October? cordially R. Taylor ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: [Stoves] solar cookers
Yet another example of why a top-down, best technology approach usually doesn't work and often does more harm than good. See: http://journeytoforever.org/community.html Community development: http://journeytoforever.org/community2.html Community development - poverty and hunger The local community must be involved in every step of the process and in all decision-making, and especially the women. Women hold up half the sky, said Chairman Mao. I tend to think they hold up the other half too... I've heard the story before of how the tap-water project ended with the women being chained to the kitchen, I hadn't heard the happy ending. Quite right too. Regards Keith Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:15:47 +0530 From: adkarve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Stoves] solar cookers Dear Sid and others, I am located in the Western part of India in a state called Maharashtra. Solar cookers are not operable in the cities, because the users cannot find a suitable place in their apartments where the cooker would get continuous direct sunlight for about 4 hours. The villagers generally cook in the early morning, eat and go to work in the field. Therefore they cannot use a solar cooker even if they wanted to. In any case, there is no dearth of cooking fuel in villages (stalks of cotton, pigeonpea, corn cobs, dung cakes etc. There is also rampant growth of mesquite, which too serves as fuelwood). We have been trying hard in this state to introduce improved cooking devices. The argument that the user would save fuel, or would save time in gathering the fuel is not acceptable to the housewives, because fuel is not a problem at all. Also the time saved on fuel gathering would not provide them with any additional leisure time, because they would be expected to spend the saved time on some other work. Fuel gathering is not considered to be hard work by the rural housewives. Because of the danger of attacks by panthers or by fellow humans, they go on fuel gathering expeditions in groups of 5 to 10. Actually, it is the only time in the day that they can spend away from the house, chit-chatting and gossipping with other women. They would resent it, if this leisure time were taken away from them by the introduction of any cooking device that would save fuel. A similar case was reported to me by another voluntary agency, which, with the help of a foreign funding agency, introduced tap water into every village house. This deprived the women the opportunity to gather every morning at the common well and to gossip with other women. Therefore, they sabotaged the pump that provided them with water. We are however successful in introducing our improved cookstoves into villages through emphasising the fact that smoke and soot affected the health of the family and especially of the infants that were too young to go out of the house. That our cookstoves reduced the exposure of the children to soot and smoke, and that the kitchen remained clean, are accepted by the housewives as valid arguments. Yours Dr.A.D.Karve, President Appropriate Rural Technology Institute Pune, India. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst
OK, I am getting old, or stupid or both :) Never mind, it appears these young people of today are also not beyond making a dumb mistake on rare occasions, you can probably cover up your spiralling decline into addled dotage a little longer. That's my own plan anyway. :-) I put about 90 gr of NaOH too much in my batch of 80 liters when it needed only 400gr I put 490gr due to a math misnomer. Anyone know how I can correct this barring having the lobotamy reversed ? Well, I'd rather have this bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy, LOL! (Actually I don't drink, or so seldom it doesn't count.) Anyway... your WVO titrates at 1.5ml, total 5gm/litre WVO of NaOH? If so, an extra 1.125 gm NaOH per litre probably won't make too much difference, you should get away with it with fairly low-FFA oil like that, it'll probably just make a little extra soap, hopefully not enough to disturb the wash much, if at all. Higher-FFA oil's a different matter - as the titration rises the need for accurate titration and measurements is compounded. Good luck! Keith Thanks Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
JH, Since 2004 VW models in Europe are certified by VW for use with RME, the question should not be about blanket use of biodiesel. Keith once posted effects of different feed stock on biodiesel and this is maybe a question. Hakan At 04:43 AM 9/27/2004, you wrote: cblumenthal wrote: I've used b10, b20, b30, b50,b80 all approximate percentages and with zero problems in my 96 passat tdi. If you go to www.tdiclub.com you will find many many tdi owners (older and new vehicles) using b100 for years with no problems. No one is disputing that pre-2004 TDIs run BD just fine. The question Mel asked, as I understood it, was whether the higher injector pressure found in the new unit injector (Pumpe Duse) engines is incompatible with biodiesel usage. The Bosch designed unit injectors found in the PD engines get up into the neighborhood of 20,000 psi. Questions have been raised on whether BD use is appropriate at such pressures. My understanding is that these pressures are much much higher than either the old distributor pump or common rail designs used in other models. My original point remains unchanged; do not assume that experience with pre2004 TDIs and BD use can be extrapolated to new PD engines. This is not to say that they won't be fine, but the history just isn't there...yet. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
cblumenthal wrote: I've used b10, b20, b30, b50,b80 all approximate percentages and with zero problems in my 96 passat tdi. If you go to www.tdiclub.com you will find many many tdi owners (older and new vehicles) using b100 for years with no problems. No one is disputing that pre-2004 TDIs run BD just fine. The question Mel asked, as I understood it, was whether the higher injector pressure found in the new unit injector (Pumpe Duse) engines is incompatible with biodiesel usage. The Bosch designed unit injectors found in the PD engines get up into the neighborhood of 20,000 psi. Questions have been raised on whether BD use is appropriate at such pressures. My understanding is that these pressures are much much higher than either the old distributor pump or common rail designs used in other models. My original point remains unchanged; do not assume that experience with pre2004 TDIs and BD use can be extrapolated to new PD engines. This is not to say that they won't be fine, but the history just isn't there...yet. jh I see you still haven't looked at the page I referred to, which you said needed updating (which it doesn't), so I referred you to it again: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_TDI.html The TDI-SVO controversy Please note, if nothing else, that it's about SVO. Anyway, this is one thing you'd have found there: ... Siemens, Delphi and Bosch all are ramping production of sophisticated new injectors that can handle today's sky-high fuel pressure, and inject infinitesimal fuel droplets so quickly that upcoming diesels may at times employ as many as five distinct injections for each cylinder's combustion 'event.' ... the most promising advantage of common-rail technology is the ability to deliver extremely high fuel pressures on the order of 23,000 psi (1,600 bar) or more. This type of pressure means that in microseconds, astonishingly tiny fuel droplets can be injected; these droplets more effectively mix with the induction air, boosting power production and reducing emissions. Only Volkswagen AG, Europe's diesel volume-sales leader, has resisted the common-rail development path, instead relying on its unique 'unit injector' system that combines each injector with an integral fuel pump, energized by its own lobe on the camshaft. This system develops pressures of up to 29,300 psi (2,020 bar)... -- From Super Diesels!, Ward's Auto World, September 1, 2001 http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=50releaseid= 8418magazinearticleid=118355siteid=26 23,000 psi, 29,300 psi... Note the date - 2001. Keith Addison ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Please let me contribute to the SVO PDI/TDI discussion (PDI=Pumpe Dse=Unit Injection) - Using SVO in TDI«s and PDI«s it not an issue when using proper conversion technology and proper SVO fuel quality, meeting the limits specified e.g. in the German RK standard. Proper conversion included injectors, glow plugs, timing and other fuel settings. Of course the future perspective is that the engine manufactures will make the engines SVO ready from the factory. - See some SVO 1-tank cars here. We made 65 so fare. http://www.folkecenter.dk/plant-oil/converted_cars_examples.htm - We never had any problems with injection pumps or injectors due to high viscosity cold SVO. The conversion includes overpressure protection of the injection pumps if there's a risk (typically on rotary pumps on pre chamber engines) - Personally I have driven my IDI car more than 5 years always on 100% SVO, never diesel or other additives. It never caused any kind of problem. Our winters offers temperatures down to minus 10-15¡C. - We have converted several TDI«s and one PDI with SVO 1-tank system + heater(boiler) for the winter start. It works absolutely fine. The PDI is a LUPO 3L 1.2, and runs on Faroe Island for 1¸ year now. They have about 5-10¡C ambient temperature around the year. Some of the TDI«s have passed 2 years and about 100.000km. We have imported one TDI from Germany which had passed 330.000km on SVO with 1-tank system. - In winter time the TDI starts direct on SVO even without preheating with the boiler, but to reduce SVO pollution of the lubrication oil, the boiler should preheat at temperatures below 5-10¡C. So if you«ve got an emergency situation, you can startgo without preheating, but don«t do it each time. - 2 weeks ago I tried the new VW Touran 2.0 PDI(4 valves/cyl) with 1-tank system. It was very very convincing, both the start and driving. The German company who converted it claims that the make the type emission approval for all there conversions, which for this car is EURO4. - SVO professionals claims that the high injection pressure is not an issue. If you study the German 100 tractor programme, you will see that some of the most successful conversions use PDI technology. - The original 3-cyl 1.5liter Elsbett engine had PDI system 30 years ago, so it is not new. - If you want to show that SVO in diesels doesn't work, I can help you with links to several other useless studies, like the one on Keith«s The TDI-SVO controversy page. Usually you just need to ask two questions to find out that those studies are useless. 1) What kind of engine conversion did they use. 2) What kind of fuel did they use. Usually you will find that the engine was not converted, at least not by professionals, and that the fuel quality didn't meet the limits, or that fuel quality wasn't considered. In the mentioned study they even find problems with flow of oils from the fuel tank to the engine, blockages in filters and subsequent engine power losses. Even if preheating is used to lower the viscosity, difficulties may still be encountered with starting due to the temperatures required for oils to give off ignitable vapours . If these are problems, it«s a wonder that anything in this world works, and that we can survive. - I agree we miss scientific studies, which verifies to positive experiences with SVO. One reason is that the real professionals try to protect there knowledge, and therefore keeps everything for them self. Another problem is that all research money is allocated for everything else that SVO studies because SVO doesn't have academic appeal. - SVO appears now in the European Biofuel Directive on the list of accepted Biofuels. It was not an Oops mistake by the officials in the EU Commission. It was very hard work to get it there, and it was only possible because there exist so many good working practical examples, and some relative limited documentation. best regards niels ans¿ Denmark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 23. september 2004 20:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI John Hayes wrote: m gildow wrote: Thanks for clearing that up. The other info that I got was probably refering to SVO, but wasn't clear. The info put out was refering to the different pressure in the newer PD fuel injection pump, but even that information wasn't particularly clear. Differences in what the actual pressure is and if it has even changed in the last few years. Hi Mel. The page Keith refered you to probably needs to be updated. As Keith said, in an 2003 TDI or earlier, biodiesel is absolutely fine. It does not need to be updated. Did you look at it? It's about TDIs and SVO, not TDIs and biodiesel. I said: Biodiesel's no problem, SVO/WVO is something of a controversy. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_TDI.html The TDI-SVO controversy It will apply even more so to the PD injection pump and SVO/WVO.
[Biofuel] Fwd: Keep Older Vehicles on the Road
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Keep Older Vehicles on the Road Check out the age of some of the UPS type delivery trucks. Washed daily, serviced on schedule and rebuilt on schedule. The rebuild industry could do a much better job if they concentrated more on quality. Has anyone had experience with a Jasper engine or a Mr. Goodwrench engine? Especially the diesels. Common engine mounting standards would help. Seems every car has its unique engine mounting scheme and changes from year to year. The big stumbling block is that car updates are more cosmetic than engineering. Engines have become a part as far as new automobile assemblers are concerned. But not quite a standard part like wheel hubs, tire rims and brakes. California doesn't factor in the pollution cost of manufacture for several reasons. Not much car manufacture in the Golden State. There is some assembly. Assembly means jobs. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Isn't it jusr a 5% blend of RME (rape methyl ester)? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: 24 September 2004 04:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Mel, VW is certifying all their new diesel engines for use with RME (Rape based biodiesel) in Europe. Your chat pages are wrong, if you want to belive the VW engine specifications in Europe. Hakan At 01:43 AM 9/19/2004, you wrote: After having a VW Pickup and becoming interested in Biodiesel as a fuel I have bought a new 2004 VW Jetta TDI. I have read several postings from various chat pages that the new TDIs shouldn't run Biodiesel. Does anyone have any experience with the new TDIs? I would like to start using Biodiesel in it either as an addative or straight, but don't want to cause any problems. Thanks for any help or information. Mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Don, On the specs. I have available now (for Lupo 3L) it is 100% RME, but recall that it is the same for other models. In continental Europe (Germany, France , Austria, etc.) the common mix at the pump is B20, so B5 does not make any sense at all. UK is late in implementation and maybe you are confused with EU directives which talks about minimum B5 blend within a couple of years. I do not now level, how and where UK will start the implementation. B5 does not make any sense for continental Europe, but I think that BP have some influence in UK, as they had on the participation in the Iraq war. LOL Hakan At 10:35 AM 9/27/2004, you wrote: Isn't it jusr a 5% blend of RME (rape methyl ester)? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: 24 September 2004 04:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Mel, VW is certifying all their new diesel engines for use with RME (Rape based biodiesel) in Europe. Your chat pages are wrong, if you want to belive the VW engine specifications in Europe. Hakan At 01:43 AM 9/19/2004, you wrote: After having a VW Pickup and becoming interested in Biodiesel as a fuel I have bought a new 2004 VW Jetta TDI. I have read several postings from various chat pages that the new TDIs shouldn't run Biodiesel. Does anyone have any experience with the new TDIs? I would like to start using Biodiesel in it either as an addative or straight, but don't want to cause any problems. Thanks for any help or information. Mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Thanks Hakan, have you seen the technology I've been using to make fossil fuel more energy efficient. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: 27 September 2004 12:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Don, On the specs. I have available now (for Lupo 3L) it is 100% RME, but recall that it is the same for other models. In continental Europe (Germany, France , Austria, etc.) the common mix at the pump is B20, so B5 does not make any sense at all. UK is late in implementation and maybe you are confused with EU directives which talks about minimum B5 blend within a couple of years. I do not now level, how and where UK will start the implementation. B5 does not make any sense for continental Europe, but I think that BP have some influence in UK, as they had on the participation in the Iraq war. LOL Hakan At 10:35 AM 9/27/2004, you wrote: Isn't it jusr a 5% blend of RME (rape methyl ester)? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: 24 September 2004 04:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Mel, VW is certifying all their new diesel engines for use with RME (Rape based biodiesel) in Europe. Your chat pages are wrong, if you want to belive the VW engine specifications in Europe. Hakan At 01:43 AM 9/19/2004, you wrote: After having a VW Pickup and becoming interested in Biodiesel as a fuel I have bought a new 2004 VW Jetta TDI. I have read several postings from various chat pages that the new TDIs shouldn't run Biodiesel. Does anyone have any experience with the new TDIs? I would like to start using Biodiesel in it either as an addative or straight, but don't want to cause any problems. Thanks for any help or information. Mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] replacement diesel engine
I drive an 89 Mazda 626 super charged 2 litre diesel. To put one of these engines into another 626 petrol car even would be one of the labours of Hercules, it fills the compartment, also an inter cooler, (why on a supercharger I do not know, and has a diesel computer box under the dash, any number of sensors and extra functions on the instrument panel. Get real, the thing only cost $3500, but partly because as a rare imported car there are no parts/ tune-up spec manuals etc. available locally and no-one wants to nut all that out themselves. If anybody knows where I can access that stuff I would appreciate the information. - Original Message - From: Michael Olivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] replacement diesel engine Dear Al, Mazda 626's actually came out as diesels for awhile... 86-91 from memory I think. As for whacking a diesel engine INTO a car... theres a fair bit of work involved. On the older engines its not that big of a deal, but on newer cars its a real pain, not to meantion changing trans, tailshatfs, etc. Hope it helps Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:41 AM Subject: [Biofuel] replacement diesel engine Hi, There has been some talk on this list a while back about small cubic image replacement engine for American cars, but I was wondering does anyone make them for foreign cars? I would like to a diesel in a mazda 626 or toyota camry. I really didn't spend much time looking, but are there options to do this? Thanks, Al ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol: Energy IN and Energy OUT
Ron, can I ask where this new ethanol plant will be constructed and where you attended these meetings? Thanks. Jonathan. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Folks, Corn = Maize I happened to attend an investor prospectus meeting last night for the proposed construction of a 50 million gallon (189 million liters) ethanol plant last night. Actually, I attended the same meeting near my hometown last week and felt I didn't take good enough notes, so I drove 60 miles (95 km) each way last night to hear the speakers (business and agriculture experts) again! I also include some info off the web from ethanol promoters. To begin: The ethanol plants built today are a far cry from the ones built in the early 1980's!!! From one of the experts: For each BTU consumed to get ethanol, you get 1.389 BTUs back with the ethanol product. Today's new 'Dry Mill' plants use 50 per cent LESS energy and they produce almost 22 percent more ethanol from a bushel of corn than 20 years ago. Today's ethanol plants are built and operated with new fuel-grade process technology as opposed to using the older industrial/beverage grade processes (read: wet mill big outfits). Some of the advances used since the 1980's: 1) Molecular sieves (molsieves)- for dehydrating ethanol to near absolute levels. 2) Thermal integration- recaptures and reuses heat and cooling processes throughout the plant. 3) Enzyme technology- has improved drastically in both reducing cost and raising production efficiency. 4) Yeasts- are now propagated within the plants instead of 'pitching' when done with a batch. Instead of buying truckloads of yeast per month, companies are now buying only a few kilograms for propagation internally. 5) Automation- has reduced labor costs and...increased quality control and uniformity. 6) On the farm: Contrary to general perceptions, farmers today are more conscious of inputs (fertilizer, pesticides, tillage requirements, blah, blah), because the stuff is NOT cheap anymore and they use new technology. Also, yields have continued to increase per acre (hectare) with new corn varieties. Just stating the facts and not the philosophies here. I'm in no mood for a debate on this. The design-build contractor for the ethanol plant sets GUARANTEES for operation. 1) 2.8 gallons of ethanol per bushel of corn. 2) No more than 34,000 BTUs expended for natural gas operation per gallon of ethanol produced. 3) No more than 37,000 BTUs expended for coal operation per gallon of ethanol produced. 4) No more than 0.75 KWH of electricity used per gallon of ethanol produced. 5) 18 pounds (8.16 kg) of DDGS (dried distiller's grain solids) per bushel of corn. DDGS has 27% protein, 11% fat, and 9% fiber and is usually dried down to 9-10% moisture content. BTW- DDGS is considered a co-product and NOT a by-product. It constitutes about 20% of revenue for the company. Future Technologies: 1) High Gravity Fermentation- reduces water use by using higher levels of solids in mash. 2) High Temperature Yeast- Reduce energy costs by new yeasts fermenting at higher temps with resultant higher alcohol content in the 'beer'. You won't have to pre-cool it as much before you toss in the yeast. 3) Quick Steeping- will allow dry millers to 'capture' corn OIL before its 'lost' in the DDGS and be sold for other uses. 4) New Strains of Grain- get 37 pounds of starch instead of 33 pounds out of a bushel of corn. 5) Cellulose-ethanol Technology- converts corn kernel fiber into ethanol also. Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Please let me contribute to the SVO PDI/TDI discussion (PDI=Pumpe Dse=Unit Injection) - Using SVO in TDI«s and PDI«s it not an issue when using proper conversion technology and proper SVO fuel quality, meeting the limits specified e.g. in the German RK standard. Yes, I'd agree. But the people claiming there's no problem seldom if ever talk about SVO fuel quality. We do: It's vital to pay close attention to the quality and condition of the oil -- much more critical with an SVO system than if you're going to convert the oil into biodiesel. So do you, and Elsbett, BioCar, Neoteric. Proper conversion included injectors, glow plugs, timing and other fuel settings. Those same people generally say all you have to do is heat it. Few if any of those kits seem to have anything to do with injectors, glow plugs, timing and fuel settings, they concentrate on fuel-switching from one tank to the other and pre-heating, and that's it. With any old WVO. Of course the future perspective is that the engine manufactures will make the engines SVO ready from the factory. Yes! And if Elsbett could do that 30 years ago, with such an advanced engine that it still hasn't been overtaken, then one has to wonder just what the problem is. - See some SVO 1-tank cars here. We made 65 so fare. http://www.folkecenter.dk/plant-oil/converted_cars_examples.htm - We never had any problems with injection pumps or injectors due to high viscosity cold SVO. The conversion includes overpressure protection of the injection pumps if there's a risk (typically on rotary pumps on pre chamber engines) - Personally I have driven my IDI car more than 5 years always on 100% SVO, never diesel or other additives. It never caused any kind of problem. Our winters offers temperatures down to minus 10-15¡C. - We have converted several TDI«s and one PDI with SVO 1-tank system + heater(boiler) for the winter start. It works absolutely fine. The PDI is a LUPO 3L 1.2, and runs on Faroe Island for 1¸ year now. They have about 5-10¡C ambient temperature around the year. Some of the TDI«s have passed 2 years and about 100.000km. We have imported one TDI from Germany which had passed 330.000km on SVO with 1-tank system. Good! These high mileages are what will tip the balance, once there's enough of them. - In winter time the TDI starts direct on SVO even without preheating with the boiler, but to reduce SVO pollution of the lubrication oil, the boiler should preheat at temperatures below 5-10¡C. So if you«ve got an emergency situation, you can startgo without preheating, but don«t do it each time. - 2 weeks ago I tried the new VW Touran 2.0 PDI(4 valves/cyl) with 1-tank system. It was very very convincing, both the start and driving. The German company who converted it claims that the make the type emission approval for all there conversions, which for this car is EURO4. Which company is that, if you don't mind my asking? - SVO professionals claims that the high injection pressure is not an issue. If you study the German 100 tractor programme, you will see that some of the most successful conversions use PDI technology. - The original 3-cyl 1.5liter Elsbett engine had PDI system 30 years ago, so it is not new. - If you want to show that SVO in diesels doesn't work, I can help you with links to several other useless studies, like the one on Keith«s The TDI-SVO controversy page. You mean Adam Khan's study? I don't think it's useless, though SVO'ers might find it so. Usually you just need to ask two questions to find out that those studies are useless. 1) What kind of engine conversion did they use. 2) What kind of fuel did they use. Usually you will find that the engine was not converted, at least not by professionals, and that the fuel quality didn't meet the limits, or that fuel quality wasn't considered. In the mentioned study they even find problems with flow of oils from the fuel tank to the engine, blockages in filters and subsequent engine power losses. Even if preheating is used to lower the viscosity, difficulties may still be encountered with starting due to the temperatures required for oils to give off ignitable vapours . If these are problems, it«s a wonder that anything in this world works, and that we can survive. :-) Elsbett says something like the last bit too, so does the ACREVO report. - I agree we miss scientific studies, which verifies to positive experiences with SVO. One reason is that the real professionals try to protect there knowledge, and therefore keeps everything for them self. Why hasn't that been the case with biodiesel then? Another problem is that all research money is allocated for everything else that SVO studies because SVO doesn't have academic appeal. Hm. I see these excuses so often, I'm not convinced. Scientists are prejudiced against SVO for some reason, the press has an anti-environment agenda and so on. Yes, I know you didn't say that, but others do. And they're
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Don, On the specs. I have available now (for Lupo 3L) it is 100% RME, but recall that it is the same for other models. In continental Europe (Germany, France , Austria, etc.) the common mix at the pump is B20, so B5 does not make any sense at all. UK is late in implementation and maybe you are confused with EU directives which talks about minimum B5 blend within a couple of years. I do not now level, how and where UK will start the implementation. B5 does not make any sense for continental Europe, but I think that BP have some influence in UK, as they had on the participation in the Iraq war. LOL Hakan == Hi Hakan, The state of Minnesota has a relatively new 2% (B2) requirement for biodiesel. This mandate is the first in the USA. Its a good way to allow the startup operations for biodiesel production plants. They are building one now in southwest MN. The transportation companies did not like the mandate. It was supposed to raised the cost of diesel about 0.03 USD. I believe the railroad industry and internal mining operations (taconite iron) are exempt. I thought it sounded a little funny (B2), but it is better than nothing and it is a beginning. We also have to remember that outdoor temperatures can drop to -37.7 degrees Celsius (-36 F.) during the winter months. http://www.newrules.org/agri/biodieselmn.html Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Don, I cannot remember at the moment, but if you have a link I like to look at it. Hakan At 01:14 PM 9/27/2004, you wrote: Thanks Hakan, have you seen the technology I've been using to make fossil fuel more energy efficient. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: 27 September 2004 12:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Don, On the specs. I have available now (for Lupo 3L) it is 100% RME, but recall that it is the same for other models. In continental Europe (Germany, France , Austria, etc.) the common mix at the pump is B20, so B5 does not make any sense at all. UK is late in implementation and maybe you are confused with EU directives which talks about minimum B5 blend within a couple of years. I do not now level, how and where UK will start the implementation. B5 does not make any sense for continental Europe, but I think that BP have some influence in UK, as they had on the participation in the Iraq war. LOL Hakan At 10:35 AM 9/27/2004, you wrote: Isn't it jusr a 5% blend of RME (rape methyl ester)? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: 24 September 2004 04:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Mel, VW is certifying all their new diesel engines for use with RME (Rape based biodiesel) in Europe. Your chat pages are wrong, if you want to belive the VW engine specifications in Europe. Hakan At 01:43 AM 9/19/2004, you wrote: After having a VW Pickup and becoming interested in Biodiesel as a fuel I have bought a new 2004 VW Jetta TDI. I have read several postings from various chat pages that the new TDIs shouldn't run Biodiesel. Does anyone have any experience with the new TDIs? I would like to start using Biodiesel in it either as an addative or straight, but don't want to cause any problems. Thanks for any help or information. Mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol: Energy IN and Energy OUT
Ron, can I ask where this new ethanol plant will be constructed and where you attended these meetings? Thanks. Jonathan. == The proposed plant is in Minnesota and the equity fund raising meetings occur within a hundred miles from the proposed plant location. They can have over a 100 such meetings for each plant proposal over a span of several months. I was surprised to hear that. The former law for tax incentives was that only farmers selling corn (maize) to the ethanol plant could be an investor. A problem arose when the farmer got to be retirement age...he/she could only sell the shares of the ethanol plant to another farmer that had to sell corn to the plant. It became a buyer's market. So, they changed the law around to allow anyone to invest as long as they are a resident of Minnesota. One thing you have to remember is that Minnesota has a 10% ethanol mandate. They also have over half of all E85 public gas pumps in the entire USA. They also have tax incentives for the investor/LLC. The large, corporate ethanol producers can not receive these state government incentives. Also, you have to be a Minnesota resident if you want to invest. Its like keeping the hens home in the chicken coop. I would call that a hybrid form of 'community based' cooperative. Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Don, I suspect that the B2-B5 alternative has nothing really to do with going biofuel. Logically it only have any meaning for the automotive industry as a preparation on going ULSD (Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel), where it serves as an excellent and necessary lubricant. Since the US industry does not have the same advanced diesel engines as the Europeans, it would help them in the all so important truck business. Anything between B20 and B100 make some sense, but B2-B5 only for lubricant in ULSD. Hakan At 02:29 PM 9/27/2004, you wrote: Don, On the specs. I have available now (for Lupo 3L) it is 100% RME, but recall that it is the same for other models. In continental Europe (Germany, France , Austria, etc.) the common mix at the pump is B20, so B5 does not make any sense at all. UK is late in implementation and maybe you are confused with EU directives which talks about minimum B5 blend within a couple of years. I do not now level, how and where UK will start the implementation. B5 does not make any sense for continental Europe, but I think that BP have some influence in UK, as they had on the participation in the Iraq war. LOL Hakan == Hi Hakan, The state of Minnesota has a relatively new 2% (B2) requirement for biodiesel. This mandate is the first in the USA. Its a good way to allow the startup operations for biodiesel production plants. They are building one now in southwest MN. The transportation companies did not like the mandate. It was supposed to raised the cost of diesel about 0.03 USD. I believe the railroad industry and internal mining operations (taconite iron) are exempt. I thought it sounded a little funny (B2), but it is better than nothing and it is a beginning. We also have to remember that outdoor temperatures can drop to -37.7 degrees Celsius (-36 F.) during the winter months. http://www.newrules.org/agri/biodieselmn.html Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst
I don't know how you're coming up with the guarantee that it will solidify, especially if it hasn't already. The time window of these posts is days broader than the time it takes for a reaction to take place, whether it be transesterification or saponification. If you really screwed up you'd know it in 24 hours or less. The transesterification takes only a fraction of that time. If, as you imply, the reaction is still liquid, then you ended up with biodiesel with perhaps a higher fraction of soap. Give it a full 24-48 hours for the glyc cocktail to settle and then conduct two very gentle washes that amount only to a light swirl to prevent the excess soaps from binding up as little fuel as possible. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst I am using the one stage method and NaOH and . plumb out of luck me thinks. I don't know how I got that so screwed up except that I am thinking in terms of tens these days and themetric system lends itself VERY well to increments of ten :) and I probably figured 100 liters instead of 80. That'll teach me to not be paying attention more than that. I hope I didn't screw up the batch. One thing though, I WILL have to get to it before it solidifies, wghich it will do with excess NaOH in it. Ah, the trials and tribulations of biodieseling. Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst If you're only as far as mixing the catalyst with MeOH, then add the appropriate amount of MeOH to dilute the methoxide to the appropriate strength. If you've already added it to the oil, your plumb out of luck. Hope for the best. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst OK, I am getting old, or stupid or both :) I put about 90 gr of NaOH too much in my batch of 80 liters when it needed only 400gr I put 490gr due to a math misnomer. Anyone know how I can correct this barring having the lobotamy reversed ? Thanks Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Sorry, Hakan. I thought that I had attached it. maybe this did not work thro' the system so I'll try this direct reply approach. See attachment Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: 27 September 2004 13:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Don, I cannot remember at the moment, but if you have a link I like to look at it. Hakan At 01:14 PM 9/27/2004, you wrote: Thanks Hakan, have you seen the technology I've been using to make fossil fuel more energy efficient. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: 27 September 2004 12:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Don, On the specs. I have available now (for Lupo 3L) it is 100% RME, but recall that it is the same for other models. In continental Europe (Germany, France , Austria, etc.) the common mix at the pump is B20, so B5 does not make any sense at all. UK is late in implementation and maybe you are confused with EU directives which talks about minimum B5 blend within a couple of years. I do not now level, how and where UK will start the implementation. B5 does not make any sense for continental Europe, but I think that BP have some influence in UK, as they had on the participation in the Iraq war. LOL Hakan At 10:35 AM 9/27/2004, you wrote: Isn't it jusr a 5% blend of RME (rape methyl ester)? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: 24 September 2004 04:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Mel, VW is certifying all their new diesel engines for use with RME (Rape based biodiesel) in Europe. Your chat pages are wrong, if you want to belive the VW engine specifications in Europe. Hakan At 01:43 AM 9/19/2004, you wrote: After having a VW Pickup and becoming interested in Biodiesel as a fuel I have bought a new 2004 VW Jetta TDI. I have read several postings from various chat pages that the new TDIs shouldn't run Biodiesel. Does anyone have any experience with the new TDIs? I would like to start using Biodiesel in it either as an addative or straight, but don't want to cause any problems. Thanks for any help or information. Mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to
Re: [Biofuel] To small batch producersof bio-diesel in minnesota
Might as well keep the conversation on list and let everyone benefit. Even better if you can't find another small producer in your area. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] To small batch producersof bio-diesel in minnesota Greetings All, I am preparing to build my first small scale plant and am wondering if thier are any small scale producers in the twin cites area and north toward brained/baxter that are using wvo as thier prime supply? I would like to talk/vist a working system wiether 30 or 300 gallons in size to gain a better understanding of pro/con of tanks/technique's and related issue's. I have just started to review the archives in hopes of gaining a lot of my answers there, but it would be great to see some in action so to speak. On a side note anyone from mlps/stP going to the workshop in Nevada,Iowa this late October? cordially R. Taylor ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Hallo Brian, Sunday, 26 September, 2004, 21:19:20, you wrote: brn One of my bumper sticker ideas: brn Jesus was a Liberal Pacifist. Given Christian tradition Jesus is above liberal/conservative distinctions. He is no respecter of persons and one person is not more important to Him than another whether Jew, Roman, Samaritan, Greek, saint, sinner, priest, tax collector, whore, good, evil, believer, non-believer whatever. Perhaps (but not necessarily) more importantly Jesus did not preach or espouse pacifism. He taught and practiced non-resistance to evil and returning good for evil. Pacifism is born in the mind and non resistance is born in the heart (spirit). An atheist can be a pacifist and return good for evil as a political tactic. Non-resistance and the concomitant returning of good for evil is a religious act of love. The heart is changed. And perhaps the most important thing for those holding Christian beliefs is the tense used. It should be present tense not past. :o) This is only my understanding of things however. Others may disagree however. :o) Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
I see you still haven't looked at the page I referred to, which you said needed updating (which it doesn't), so I referred you to it again Actually, I have read it and in fact have referred others to it on a regular basis. I am quite aware that it refers to SVO and not BD. However, *you* referred Mel to it when his original question dealt with biodiesel, not SVO. You said: Biodiesel's no problem, SVO/WVO is something of a controversy. I disagree, and feel that the page should be updated to include the fact that US spec BD may not be appropriate in a PD TDI. If you feel that particular page is focused on SVO specifically rather than the overall controversy over what is the appropriate in fuel a TDI, I can understand that. However, can you see from my perspective why I think a page on TDI fueling controversy should include info about US spec BD in a PD engine? After all, the url *is* /biodiesel_TDI.html, not /SVO_TDI.html Can you see how this might be misleading as to the focus of the page? Hakan said: VW is certifying all their new diesel engines for use with RME (Rape based biodiesel) in Europe. Your chat pages are wrong, if you want to belive the VW engine specifications in Europe. True enough. VW is pushing really biofuels in Europe as evidenced with this great website: http://www.mobility-and-sustainability.com/ However, in the US press, Bosch has come out against US spec BD, at least for now. Specifically: However Bosch has now put the kibosh on those hopes. Or at least put them on hold until biodiesel can be standardized to a specification satisfactory to Bosch. This means engine warranties, heretofore allowed with certain exceptions for owners using biodiesel, will now generally be disallowed. At least for the newer, cleaner diesel engines with their fine misting sprays and minuscule tolerances. We have found black mold in the injectors and other parts of the system from biodiesel use, a Bosch engineer explained. http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=156,196sid=196article=7253 Moreover, the Bosch engineer goes on to say We are in favor of biodiesel, but not with the fuel as it now exists [in the US]. Given that there *is* some controversy over whether US spec BD is appropriate in a PD TDI, I think blanket statements endorsing BD use in PD engines is inappropriate. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
I thought the PD pressure was more like 30,000 psi, but whatever, it's very high. Although the PD is new to the USA this year, it is not new to Europe. Any European users have any experience with BD in the PD?..Ah, acronyms Perry Jones - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI cblumenthal wrote: I've used b10, b20, b30, b50,b80 all approximate percentages and with zero problems in my 96 passat tdi. If you go to www.tdiclub.com you will find many many tdi owners (older and new vehicles) using b100 for years with no problems. No one is disputing that pre-2004 TDIs run BD just fine. The question Mel asked, as I understood it, was whether the higher injector pressure found in the new unit injector (Pumpe Duse) engines is incompatible with biodiesel usage. The Bosch designed unit injectors found in the PD engines get up into the neighborhood of 20,000 psi. Questions have been raised on whether BD use is appropriate at such pressures. My understanding is that these pressures are much much higher than either the old distributor pump or common rail designs used in other models. My original point remains unchanged; do not assume that experience with pre2004 TDIs and BD use can be extrapolated to new PD engines. This is not to say that they won't be fine, but the history just isn't there...yet. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Hakan, I think it must be as you say. I do not have your range of technical knowledge on this subject. I tried to 'attach' a document re my own testing with other partners on a technology which can treat all fossil fuels to permit them to burn more efficiently. This stuff really excites me, and I am trying to find out if it can similarly work with bio-fuels. I'll try to attach here also. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: 27 September 2004 14:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Don, I suspect that the B2-B5 alternative has nothing really to do with going biofuel. Logically it only have any meaning for the automotive industry as a preparation on going ULSD (Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel), where it serves as an excellent and necessary lubricant. Since the US industry does not have the same advanced diesel engines as the Europeans, it would help them in the all so important truck business. Anything between B20 and B100 make some sense, but B2-B5 only for lubricant in ULSD. Hakan At 02:29 PM 9/27/2004, you wrote: Don, On the specs. I have available now (for Lupo 3L) it is 100% RME, but recall that it is the same for other models. In continental Europe (Germany, France , Austria, etc.) the common mix at the pump is B20, so B5 does not make any sense at all. UK is late in implementation and maybe you are confused with EU directives which talks about minimum B5 blend within a couple of years. I do not now level, how and where UK will start the implementation. B5 does not make any sense for continental Europe, but I think that BP have some influence in UK, as they had on the participation in the Iraq war. LOL Hakan == Hi Hakan, The state of Minnesota has a relatively new 2% (B2) requirement for biodiesel. This mandate is the first in the USA. Its a good way to allow the startup operations for biodiesel production plants. They are building one now in southwest MN. The transportation companies did not like the mandate. It was supposed to raised the cost of diesel about 0.03 USD. I believe the railroad industry and internal mining operations (taconite iron) are exempt. I thought it sounded a little funny (B2), but it is better than nothing and it is a beginning. We also have to remember that outdoor temperatures can drop to -37.7 degrees Celsius (-36 F.) during the winter months. http://www.newrules.org/agri/biodieselmn.html Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Hello All, This article might shed some light on new cars comming off the line with a biodiesel blend in the fuel tanks. http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,65054,00 .html Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 8:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI The speaker at the biodiesel lecture at the TX Green Energy Roundup on Friday said that the new 2005 biodiesel autos (and I think he said VW's) are coming off the line from the manufacturer with a blended biodiesel product in their engines. Can't blame a customer for the manufacturer's choice. It sets the precedent. Someone might ant to substantiate this comment. Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI So at the end of the day, the choice is yours. If you choose to run BD in a PD TDI, more power to you. Just be aware that if you have an injector failure down the road, your dealership *may* blame the BD and refuse to cover it. Cheers. jh Furthermore, I believe that any commercial producer of BD should cover any fuel related failures. The same goes for petrol diesel. If the filter clogs, that is never covered under warrenty. It's known as routine maintenance. I recently installed a CAT fuel filter, which the big rigs use in my VW for extra its filtering capacity at 2 microns. Your PD needs plenty of flow, which the CAT delivers. Again, check out the tdiclub.com, if you would like more info. Thanks, Todd -- -- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Slogan
Biodiesel is for Life. Best one yet. Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Legal Eagle Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Slogan Biodiesel is for life ? Yup, that one does it for me. It has enough word play to keep the grey matter going, and it says it all. Make 'em think,damnit ! Luc - Original Message - From: Andres Yver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Slogan On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 08:18 PM, Bill Clark wrote: Biodiesel is for Life Nice! Short and sweet, works on many levels. It's the converse of that other really good one, fossil fuels are extinct. andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Gustl, Thank you for your thoughtful input. As usual, I agree with what you have to say. I did struggle with whether to use the present or past tense in the message. My goal was a message directed at those that call themselves Christian, but live their lives in a way that conflicts with everything taught by Christ. Despite being raised in an environment where I spent a great deal of time in church, and spending many years receiving an education with strong Christian content (including a year of seminary), I do not currently consider myself a Christian. I do believe in what Christ taught, and do my best to live my life according to those principles. However, I abhor the hypocrisy of organized religion and refuse to participate. Of course, these are just my ideas. I do not expect anyone else to live their life according to my beliefs. Just wanted to let you know that I do agree with the principle of what you say, and appreciate your saying it. Brian Hallo Brian, Sunday, 26 September, 2004, 21:19:20, you wrote: brn One of my bumper sticker ideas: brn Jesus was a Liberal Pacifist. Given Christian tradition Jesus is above liberal/conservative distinctions. He is no respecter of persons and one person is not more important to Him than another whether Jew, Roman, Samaritan, Greek, saint, sinner, priest, tax collector, whore, good, evil, believer, non-believer whatever. Perhaps (but not necessarily) more importantly Jesus did not preach or espouse pacifism. He taught and practiced non-resistance to evil and returning good for evil. Pacifism is born in the mind and non resistance is born in the heart (spirit). An atheist can be a pacifist and return good for evil as a political tactic. Non-resistance and the concomitant returning of good for evil is a religious act of love. The heart is changed. And perhaps the most important thing for those holding Christian beliefs is the tense used. It should be present tense not past. :o) This is only my understanding of things however. Others may disagree however. :o) Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Overdoing the Catalyst I don't know how you're coming up with the guarantee that it will solidify, especially if it hasn't already. Actually I do not necessarily view it as a guarentee although my reactor sleeps in s non-winterized shed and the night temps are on the way down right now and it is the small amount in the exposed plumbing that may harden if any at all, which was exactly the case today after I went to drain the glycerine. It had geled in the plumbing just out of the reactor and before the isolation valve, so a little heat on the inside and some gentle tapping with a wrench on the plumbing to cause some vibration and it loosened right up. The time window of these posts is days broader than the time it takes for a reaction to take place, whether it be transesterification or saponification. If you really screwed up you'd know it in 24 hours or less. The transesterification takes only a fraction of that time. It seems that it did not go south on me, although that is still a preliminary report :) If, as you imply, the reaction is still liquid, then you ended up with biodiesel with perhaps a higher fraction of soap. Give it a full 24-48 hours for the glyc cocktail to settle and then conduct two very gentle washes that amount only to a light swirl to prevent the excess soaps from binding up as little fuel as possible. Ah, I love it when I come to right conclusion and have it confirmed by people with more experience than I. Thanks for your help Todd. Luc Todd Swearingen ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 27. september 2004 14:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Hello Niels Please let me contribute to the SVO PDI/TDI discussion (PDI=Pumpe Dse=Unit Injection) - Using SVO in TDI«s and PDI«s it not an issue when using proper conversion technology and proper SVO fuel quality, meeting the limits specified e.g. in the German RK standard. Yes, I'd agree. But the people claiming there's no problem seldom if ever talk about SVO fuel quality. We do: It's vital to pay close attention to the quality and condition of the oil -- much more critical with an SVO system than if you're going to convert the oil into biodiesel. So do you, and Elsbett, BioCar, Neoteric. It«s quit obvious that fuel quality is essential for all fuels, incl. SVO, Biodiesel, fossil diesel etc.. Proper conversion included injectors, glow plugs, timing and other fuel settings. Those same people generally say all you have to do is heat it. Few if any of those kits seem to have anything to do with injectors, glow plugs, timing and fuel settings, they concentrate on fuel-switching from one tank to the other and pre-heating, and that's it. With any old WVO. You can refer to whom you want, but I«m advocating for using kits including the mentioned parts, and we are quit successful to convince people in Denmark to use such kits. Nobody can stop people writing what ever on the Internet, but you can chose what you want to read and what you want to believe. We just converted 12 cars last weekend during a DIY workshop. The happiest ãconverterä was a guy who tried to follow the internet receipt trying 3 different injector types without success. Finally he decided to join our DIY workshop, and succeeded with a DIY kit. And we succeeded because one important aim of these workshops is to give those who really want to go SVO, access to tested and approved technology. Of course the future perspective is that the engine manufactures will make the engines SVO ready from the factory. Yes! And if Elsbett could do that 30 years ago, with such an advanced engine that it still hasn't been overtaken, then one has to wonder just what the problem is. One important problem in this connection is that Money Make«s the World Going Round. Why should the car manufactures make SVO cars if they can sell all the fossil diesel cars that they want. Elsbett had interested buyers for their engine concept, but the old Ludwig Elsbett made as a condition that the buyers should produce the engine, and not just leave the concept in a drawer. The interested buyer didn«t want to meet that condition. Now 30 years has passed, so of course that engine is no more up to present standard for engines, injection systems etc. - See some SVO 1-tank cars here. We made 65 so fare. http://www.folkecenter.dk/plant-oil/converted_cars_examples.htm - We never had any problems with injection pumps or injectors due to high viscosity cold SVO. The conversion includes overpressure protection of the injection pumps if there's a risk (typically on rotary pumps on pre chamber engines) - Personally I have driven my IDI car more than 5 years always on 100% SVO, never diesel or other additives. It never caused any kind of problem. Our winters offers temperatures down to minus 10-15¡C. - We have converted several TDI«s and one PDI with SVO 1-tank system + heater(boiler) for the winter start. It works absolutely fine. The PDI is a LUPO 3L 1.2, and runs on Faroe Island for 1¸ year now. They have about 5-10¡C ambient temperature around the year. Some of the TDI«s have passed 2 years and about 100.000km. We have imported one TDI from Germany which had passed 330.000km on SVO with 1-tank system. Good! These high mileages are what will tip the balance, once there's enough of them. - In winter time the TDI starts direct on SVO even without preheating with the boiler, but to reduce SVO pollution of the lubrication oil, the boiler should preheat at temperatures below 5-10¡C. So if you«ve got an emergency situation, you can startgo without preheating, but don«t do it each time. - 2 weeks ago I tried the new VW Touran 2.0 PDI(4 valves/cyl) with 1-tank system. It was very very convincing, both the start and driving. The German company who converted it claims that the make the type emission approval for all there conversions, which for this car is EURO4. Which company is that, if you don't mind my asking? I don«t mind, but my principle is not to promote any companies, but the SVO concept. Nevertheless, the company name is VWP established about 12 years ago by 3 guys coming from Elsbett. They have webpage http://www.pflanzenoel-motor.de/. The information about the emission test type approval was given on a conference ãAlternative Mobilityä in Germany, and the mentioned car was leading a Solar
[Biofuel] Congradulations, long time coming
coincidence sitting by you on the bus at the conference, one of the highlights in fact for me. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], biofuel@yahoogroups.com,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Greenfield MA Recorder article on Biodiesel Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:27:04 EDT Biodiesel plant plan sizzling By RICHIE DAVIS Recorder Staff Plans are under way for a factory to convert recycled vegetable oil to biodiesel fuel in the Greenfield area next year, Co-opPlus of Western Massachusetts announced Friday. The 1,200-member energy cooperative announced formation of Northeast Biodiesel LLC to build the $1.5 million biodiesel plant. The effort received $300,000 in a National Renewable Energy grant secured with help from Rep. John W. Olver, D-Amherst. The new venture is the outgrowth of a two-year Pioneer Valley Biodiesel Cooperative. Plans for the new plant are scheduled to be announced at an Oct. 1 press conference, but principals are negotiating for an existing building a stone's throw from Greenfield, said Technical Director Thomas Leue, who represents one-third of the corporation formed Friday. It's a good thing all-around, said Leue, who for the past seven years has been collecting waste oil from restaurants and converting it to biodiesel, a vegetable-based alternative to petroleum that burns with the smell of french fries. The plant will employ 12 people initially, he said, and have an initial capacity of 500,000 gallons per year for fueling diesel trucks, cars and tractors, as well as for home heating. More than 400 truck fleets use biodiesel, including the University of Massachusetts, Amherst College, the U.S. military, NASA, national parks, along with some state departments of transportation and school buses. Nationally, more than 250 filling stations offer biodiesel, and many fuel distributors make biodiesel available in bulk, according to a press release from the Greenfield-based Cooperative Development Institute. CDI helped funnel a $32,000 grant to the six-member biodiesel cooperative last year from the U.S. Department of Agriculture to study the feasibility of how the venture could be set up. Some residents in the region have been buying biodiesel in bulk over the past several years, while others have been using a blend of biodiesel heating oil. Because it reduces sulfur content and improves clean combustion, Holyoke-based Alliance Energy has announced that all of its home heating oil will be a 3 percent blend of biodiesel beginning Oct. 1, increasing to 5 percent after this heating season. Alliance, which also has a biodiesel pump for vehicles operating in Holyoke, now has to buy its product from Iowa. According to Leue, Northeast will be the only producer of biodiesel in a 600-mile radius, and 90 percent of its product will be sold wholesale to fuel dealers. It will also be sold retail at one or more filling stations in Franklin County and beyond. With biodiesel, everybody wins, whether you use it or not. It's going to increase good-paying employment around the valley, it's going to pick up recycled waste and reuse it, it's going to be reducing our money leaving the county and going overseas, it's going to reduce the cost for restaurants for their disposal fees, and the environment's going to be cleaner. Forming the new corporation helps Leue, whose Ashfield backyard biodiesel production plant was curtailed by the federal Environmental Protection Agency because he was required to buy the rights to a federally approved National Biodiesel Board safety test at an annual cost of $5,000. The scale of his operation would have added $1 per gallon to his price, rather than a penny, he said. This is a significant step toward finding local and renewable energy sources so we can reduce our dependence on foreign oil that is polluting our world, said Leue. He said the price structure of the new plant should make it the lowest-price biodiesel in the United States. With the closest production facilities now in Florida, Southern Ohio and Kentucky, he said, I think we'll do it very well, thank you very much. There is already a growing number of customers for biodiesel in Vermont, New Hampshire and around western Massachusetts, so he said, I don't think we'll have any problem selling it. Biodiesel, which has been shown to greatly reduce most of the pollutants that standard petroleum fuel produces, has no appreciable sulfur emissions, cuts soot and fumes by over half, reduces carcinogens by more than 90 percent and almost eliminates greenhouse gasses associated with global warming, according to proponents. Biodiesel also is said to reduce wear in standard engines and makes them operate more quietly. It is easily biodegradable and essentially non-toxic. It's thrilling to see this project get off the ground, said Co-opPlus Interim Manager Lynn Benander. Co-opPlus is a tool that people in
Re: [Biofuel] To small batch producersof bio-diesel in minnesota
Greetings All, I am preparing to build my first small scale plant and am wondering if thier are any small scale producers in the twin cites area and north toward brained/baxter that are using wvo as thier prime supply? I would like to talk/vist a working system wiether 30 or 300 gallons in size to gain a better understanding of pro/con of tanks/technique's and related issue's. I have just started to review the archives in hopes of gaining a lot of my answers there, but it would be great to see some in action so to speak. On a side note anyone from mlps/stP going to the workshop in Nevada,Iowa this late October? cordially R. Taylor == Admittedly, I'm just an armchair hobbyist on all of this, though the workshop would be interesting to attend. The price is not all that bad considering a 5 day IT class is about double the cost. The Ames/Nevada area is nice country also. They have a huge Barilla (Italian family owned) pasta plant between Ames and Nevada. It consumes 75,000 tonnes (tons) of durum wheat per year. The wheat does not come from nearby North Dakota, but from Arizona. There are also a number of large wind turbine farms nearby. One of them, you can see from I-35 highway. Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Description, History and Properties
First publicly displayed engine (worlds fair) was peanut oil. there were many diesel engine prototypes that used a variety of experimental fuels. = = = Original message = = = From Wikipedia: I have found it quite informative, and in confirmation of most of what I have read at JtF. Rudolf ran his first engine on SVO peanut oil, for the record. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Some years ago BOSCH Denmark sent out a letter and a poster to the BOSCH workshops, warning against all kinds of Alternative fuel(= non-fossil-fuels), including RME and FAME, which was specifically mentioned. They refused to cover any damages coursed by non-appropriate fuels, and forwarded the warranty question to the car manufactory, if they accepted Biodiesel, such as VW. I suppose that BOSCH Denmark just forward the message from the German headquarter. Last year in June Spiegel Online published an article No more release for Biodiesel, informing that VW had stopped the biodiesel release for the new Touran, I suppose the 2.0 PDI 4 valve/cyl engine. The reason was not the fuel it self, but fuel quality problems. http://www.spiegel.de/auto/werkstatt/0,1518,254679,00.html Niels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hayes Sent: 27. september 2004 15:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI Keith Addison wrote: I see you still haven't looked at the page I referred to, which you said needed updating (which it doesn't), so I referred you to it again Actually, I have read it and in fact have referred others to it on a regular basis. I am quite aware that it refers to SVO and not BD. However, *you* referred Mel to it when his original question dealt with biodiesel, not SVO. You said: Biodiesel's no problem, SVO/WVO is something of a controversy. I disagree, and feel that the page should be updated to include the fact that US spec BD may not be appropriate in a PD TDI. If you feel that particular page is focused on SVO specifically rather than the overall controversy over what is the appropriate in fuel a TDI, I can understand that. However, can you see from my perspective why I think a page on TDI fueling controversy should include info about US spec BD in a PD engine? After all, the url *is* /biodiesel_TDI.html, not /SVO_TDI.html Can you see how this might be misleading as to the focus of the page? Hakan said: VW is certifying all their new diesel engines for use with RME (Rape based biodiesel) in Europe. Your chat pages are wrong, if you want to belive the VW engine specifications in Europe. True enough. VW is pushing really biofuels in Europe as evidenced with this great website: http://www.mobility-and-sustainability.com/ However, in the US press, Bosch has come out against US spec BD, at least for now. Specifically: However Bosch has now put the kibosh on those hopes. Or at least put them on hold until biodiesel can be standardized to a specification satisfactory to Bosch. This means engine warranties, heretofore allowed with certain exceptions for owners using biodiesel, will now generally be disallowed. At least for the newer, cleaner diesel engines with their fine misting sprays and minuscule tolerances. We have found black mold in the injectors and other parts of the system from biodiesel use, a Bosch engineer explained. http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=156,196sid=196article=7253 Moreover, the Bosch engineer goes on to say We are in favor of biodiesel, but not with the fuel as it now exists [in the US]. Given that there *is* some controversy over whether US spec BD is appropriate in a PD TDI, I think blanket statements endorsing BD use in PD engines is inappropriate. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
One does not need a buidling to live the precepts of Christ, and in fact there are many more Christians outside of church buildings than there are inside them. The blatant hypocricy of the so-called christians in their moral and fianacial support for perpetual wars waged on lies and fabrications is testimony in itself to their hypocricy. Rather than twisting Scripture to make it fit an already decided agenda, the Bible is intended as a road map of life and all those who truly live their faith (be they Christian. Muslim or those calling themselves jews) with inevitably all fall within the parameters of what is taught there. Love, Christ's main message, does not war on the poor, nor does it steal the life of children who have not yet had an opportunity to grow and experience life. Wherefore by their fruit ye shall know them; actions are louder than words, and even INaction is in itself an action, howbeit one that allows it's author more anonymity. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Gustl, Thank you for your thoughtful input. As usual, I agree with what you have to say. I did struggle with whether to use the present or past tense in the message. My goal was a message directed at those that call themselves Christian, but live their lives in a way that conflicts with everything taught by Christ. Despite being raised in an environment where I spent a great deal of time in church, and spending many years receiving an education with strong Christian content (including a year of seminary), I do not currently consider myself a Christian. I do believe in what Christ taught, and do my best to live my life according to those principles. However, I abhor the hypocrisy of organized religion and refuse to participate. Of course, these are just my ideas. I do not expect anyone else to live their life according to my beliefs. Just wanted to let you know that I do agree with the principle of what you say, and appreciate your saying it. Brian Hallo Brian, Sunday, 26 September, 2004, 21:19:20, you wrote: brn One of my bumper sticker ideas: brn Jesus was a Liberal Pacifist. Given Christian tradition Jesus is above liberal/conservative distinctions. He is no respecter of persons and one person is not more important to Him than another whether Jew, Roman, Samaritan, Greek, saint, sinner, priest, tax collector, whore, good, evil, believer, non-believer whatever. Perhaps (but not necessarily) more importantly Jesus did not preach or espouse pacifism. He taught and practiced non-resistance to evil and returning good for evil. Pacifism is born in the mind and non resistance is born in the heart (spirit). An atheist can be a pacifist and return good for evil as a political tactic. Non-resistance and the concomitant returning of good for evil is a religious act of love. The heart is changed. And perhaps the most important thing for those holding Christian beliefs is the tense used. It should be present tense not past. :o) This is only my understanding of things however. Others may disagree however. :o) Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
Steve Spence wrote: At $10 / GGE equivalent, I just bet buyers will be lining up to get their fill ... Did you see that in the articles anyway that's one way of thinking about it another is a comparison of today's SUV using gasoline @ $2 US gallon to a ultralight SUV given your figure $10 / GGE equivalent with a concept vehicle such as: 2000 Hypercar Revolution show car that mocks up a midsize SUV virtual design (857 kg, 5 seats, by-wire, Cd 0.26, 0ö60 mph in 8.2 s, 114 mpg-equivalent with fuel cell). page 61, Winning the Oil Endgame - http://www.oilendgame.com That's about 5x the fuel economy of its 2000 gasoline SUV counterpart with similar annual fuel costs. Additional excerpts below: pg. 62 The original Revolution concept car (Fig. 18d) was designed in 2000 by an engineering team assembled by Hypercar, Inc., including... The goal was to demonstrate the technical feasibility and the driver, societal, and automaker benefits of holistic vehicle design focused on efficiency and lightweight composite structures. It was designed to have breakthrough (5ö6x) efficiency, meet U.S. and European safety standards, and satisfy a rigorous and complete set of product requirements for a sporty and spacious five-passenger SUV crossover vehicle segment with technologies that could be in volume production at competitive cost within five years. The design combined packaging comparable to the 2000 Lexus RX 300 (five adults in comfort, and up to 69 ft3 (1.95 m3) of cargo with the rear seats folded flat), half-ton hauling capacity up a 44% grade, and brisk acceleration (0ö60 mph in 8.2 s). Its low drag and halved weight yielded a simulated EPA adjusted 114 mpg (2.06 L/100 km), or =99 mpg on-the-road (2.38), using a fuel cell ~5 percentage points less efficient than todayâs norm. Industry-standard simulations also showed that a 35-mph (56-km/h) crash into a wall wouldnât damage the passenger compartment÷ most cars get totaled at about half that speed÷ and that even in a head-on collision with a steel SUV twice its weight, each at 30 mph (48 km/h), the ultralight car would protect its occupants from serious injury. [more] Their are other automotive examples in the book*: pg. 46 A typical recent-year production car gets about 28 EPA adjusted mpg, or 8.4 liters of fuel per 100 km, on level city streets. (To convert between miles per U.S. gallon [mpg] and L/100 km, divide 235.2 by the other.) pg. 48 Figure 9: Two mild hybrids competing with the full-hybrid Toyota Prius in the U.S. L: 2-seat Honda Insight, 59ö64 mpg. R: The reportedly profitable 5-seat Honda Civic Hybrid, 49 mpg, ~10% share of Civic market. Insightâs successor might resemble the 2003 carbon-fiber concept IMAS÷ 698 kg, Cd 0.20, 94 mpg on the Japanese 10/15 cycle. pg. 50 Figure 10: Three 2000 PNGV diesel-hybrid midsize concept sedans and their gasoline-equivalent mpg L to R: GM Precept (1,176 kg, Cd 0.163, 80 mpg), Ford Prodigy (1,083 kg, Cd 0.20, 70 mpg), and Dodge ESX3 (polymer body, 1,021 kg, Cd 0.22, 72 mpg). Of their efficiency gains, totaling 2.7ö3.1 vs.the 26-mpg Taurus-class base vehicle, pg. 55 Figure 13: Four composite concept cars: From LöR, they are: Daihatsu 2003 2+(2)-seat UFE-II hybrid (569 kg, carbon-fiber, Cd 0.19, 141 mpg on Japanese 10/15 cycle, by-wire); 1996 4-seat Coup (1,080 kg including 320 kg/25 kWh NaNiCl batteries, pure-electric, 100-mi range with a/c on, 12ö20 DC kWh/100 km, 114ö190 mpg-equivalent) developed by Horlacher in Switzerland for Pantila in Thailand; BMW 1999 Z22 (~20 body parts, ~1,100 kg [~30% weight cut] via carbon and other composites and light metals, 39 mpg, by-wire); VW 2001 ãEin-Liter-Autoä 2-seat tandem 1-cylinder diesel (carbon fiber, 290 kg, Cd 0.159, 8.5 hp, 74 mph, 238 mpg). (A 1990 carbon/aramid 2-seat Swiss electric car weighed just 230 kg without batteries.) *With photos and footnotes. - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen Solar hydrogen - energy of the future 26 August 2004 http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/adv/articles/2004/aug/Solar_hydrogen.html SNIP New Process Could Help Make Hydrogen Fuel Affordable Stephanie Peatling in Sydney for National Geographic News August 27, 2004 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0827_040827_hydrogen_energy.html SNIP ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] hydrogen economy really oil
preposterous. Much like a misguided concern about global exhaustion of atmospheric oxygen from burning fossil fuels. So I would very much like to see a reference to either the low oxygen concentrations in big cities and or the connection between low oxygenation and cancer. Kirk McLoren wrote: Reduction of O2 is being ignored. I hear it is as low as 16% in some cities. Low oxygenation and cancer are linked. Kirk robert harder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The hydrogen economy is being pushed because it is favored by the current oil companies, the cheapest source of hydrogen is oil and therefore switching to hydrogen will not reduce the use or profits of oil, but i fear that large scale use of hydrogen that was not sourced from the electrolysis of water (which is useless as energy source, only a method of energy storage) will lead to an increase in the total volume of water in earths biosphere and water vapor in our atmosphere which I beleive will be far more apt to alter weather than our current problems of co2 and co - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
It's my belief that Cd 0.26, 0-60 mph in 8.2 s, 114 mpg-equivalent with fuel cell). is unmitigated bull fertilizer. I would really like to see their calculations proving that 114 mpg-equivalent . It would be fun to compare a 50 mpg biofueled (at $3 / GGE) vw jetta diesel with a hydrogen fuel cell electric equivalent. I'm betting the fuel cell vehicle will come in 3x higher in energy costs, and 2x higher in sticker price, unless tax subsidised. = = = Original message = = = Steve Spence wrote: At $10 / GGE equivalent, I just bet buyers will be lining up to get their fill ... Did you see that in the articles anyway that's one way of thinking about it another is a comparison of today's SUV using gasoline @ $2 US gallon to a ultralight SUV given your figure $10 / GGE equivalent with a concept vehicle such as: 2000 Hypercar Revolution show car that mocks up a midsize SUV virtual design (857 kg, 5 seats, by-wire, Cd 0.26, 0~60 mph in 8.2 s, 114 mpg-equivalent with fuel cell). page 61, Winning the Oil Endgame - http://www.oilendgame.com That's about 5x the fuel economy of its 2000 gasoline SUV counterpart with similar annual fuel costs. Additional excerpts below: pg. 62 The original Revolution concept car (Fig. 18d) was designed in 2000 by an engineering team assembled by Hypercar, Inc., including... The goal was to demonstrate the technical feasibility and the driver, societal, and automaker benefits of holistic vehicle design focused on efficiency and lightweight composite structures. It was designed to have breakthrough (5~6x) efficiency, meet U.S. and European safety standards, and satisfy a rigorous and complete set of product requirements for a sporty and spacious five-passenger SUV crossover vehicle segment with technologies that could be in volume production at competitive cost within five years. The design combined packaging comparable to the 2000 Lexus RX 300 (five adults in comfort, and up to 69 ft3 (1.95 m3) of cargo with the rear seats folded flat), half-ton hauling capacity up a 44% grade, and brisk acceleration (0~60 mph in 8.2 s). Its low drag and halved weight yielded a simulated EPA adjusted 114 mpg (2.06 L/100 km), or =99 mpg on-the-road (2.38), using a fuel cell ~5 percentage points less efficient than today~s norm. Industry-standard simulations also showed that a 35-mph (56-km/h) crash into a wall wouldn~t damage the passenger compartment~ most cars get totaled at about half that speed~ and that even in a head-on collision with a steel SUV twice its weight, each at 30 mph (48 km/h), the ultralight car would protect its occupants from serious injury. [more] Their are other automotive examples in the book*: pg. 46 A typical recent-year production car gets about 28 EPA adjusted mpg, or 8.4 liters of fuel per 100 km, on level city streets. (To convert between miles per U.S. gallon [mpg] and L/100 km, divide 235.2 by the other.) pg. 48 Figure 9: Two mild hybrids competing with the full-hybrid Toyota Prius in the U.S. L: 2-seat Honda Insight, 59~64 mpg. R: The reportedly profitable 5-seat Honda Civic Hybrid, 49 mpg, ~10% share of Civic market. Insight~s successor might resemble the 2003 carbon-fiber concept IMAS~ 698 kg, Cd 0.20, 94 mpg on the Japanese 10/15 cycle. pg. 50 Figure 10: Three 2000 PNGV diesel-hybrid midsize concept sedans and their gasoline-equivalent mpg L to R: GM Precept (1,176 kg, Cd 0.163, 80 mpg), Ford Prodigy (1,083 kg, Cd 0.20, 70 mpg), and Dodge ESX3 (polymer body, 1,021 kg, Cd 0.22, 72 mpg). Of their efficiency gains, totaling 2.7~3.1 vs.the 26-mpg Taurus-class base vehicle, pg. 55 Figure 13: Four composite concept cars: From L~R, they are: Daihatsu 2003 2+(2)-seat UFE-II hybrid (569 kg, carbon-fiber, Cd 0.19, 141 mpg on Japanese 10/15 cycle, by-wire); 1996 4-seat Coup~ (1,080 kg including 320 kg/25 kWh NaNiCl batteries, pure-electric, 100-mi range with a/c on, 12~20 DC kWh/100 km, 114~190 mpg-equivalent) developed by Horlacher in Switzerland for Pantila in Thailand; BMW 1999 Z22 (~20 body parts, ~1,100 kg [~30% weight cut] via carbon and other composites and light metals, 39 mpg, by-wire); VW 2001 ~Ein-Liter-Auto~ 2-seat tandem 1-cylinder diesel (carbon fiber, 290 kg, Cd 0.159, 8.5 hp, 74 mph, 238 mpg). (A 1990 carbon/aramid 2-seat Swiss electric car weighed just 230 kg without batteries.) *With photos and footnotes. - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen Solar hydrogen - energy of the future 26 August 2004 http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/adv/articles/2004/aug/Solar_hydrogen.html SNIP New Process Could Help Make Hydrogen Fuel Affordable Stephanie Peatling in Sydney for National Geographic News August 27,
RE: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
I wasn't being at all combative, but it seems you are. snip Hm. I see these excuses so often, I'm not convinced. Scientists are prejudiced against SVO for some reason, the press has an anti-environment agenda and so on. Yes, I know you didn't say that, but others do. And they're generally very bad at promoting SVO, biodieselers are much better. I repeat, that I have seen many studies ignoring fundamental requirements to engine conversion and fuel quality. The press just goes for a story, and can not see that. In previous discussions at the vegoil-diesel list, SVO'ers were clueless about how to deal with the press. Biodiesellers regularly get good press coverage (better than the big companies' expensive PR agencies do, and they admit it), even front-page coverage. But the SVO people, mainly in Britain on that occasion, were submitting Oped pieces to the quality press and getting all hurt when it didn't happen. I told them just how to go about it, so then they wanted me to do it because I'm the best qualified as I'm a journalist, though it's not my issue and I'm in Japan. Martin Steele, for one example (MartinUK), has got great press publicity for biodiesel in the UK, he's not a journalist, he's a window-cleaner. Another example is a study from the Swedish Chalmers University, which claimed that emission from SVO AND Biodiesel was 10 time more carcinogenic than from fossil diesel. The press took it. And VOLVO UK took it, using it for promoting there Natural Gas cars. The truth was that the researchers never used an engine for the emission test but an oven. Finally the University followed by VOLVO both retracted. http://www.folkecenter.dk/plant-oil/press/pressr_rapeseed_18012001.htm I think that mainly happened here on this list. Everybody blamed Reuters, but it was Associate Professor Jim Olsson of the Department of Physical Chemistry at Sweden's Chalmers University of Technology who was to blame. Terry de Winne fought that battle (Terry UK), along with Werner Krbitz of the Austrian Biofuels Institute, and Terry used the Biofuel list as a base, because we were right on top of it straight away and took it seriously. He corresponded with both Olsson and Volvo, and forced Volvo to publish a retraction. I think it was also largely Terry's work that persuaded Chalmers Vice President Johan Carlsten to publish a retraction on 23 February 2001: http://www.chalmers.se/Nyheter/2001/vecka08/rapsolja.html Rapeseed oil as fuel Your Folkecenter also published a critical piece: http://www.folkecenter.dk/plant-oil/pressr_rapeseed_18012001.htm Thesis misused in Swedish debate about rape seed oil as a fuel for engines But it's no longer at your website, though I have a copy of it. Anyway it's all in the list archives if you're interested, along with subsequent dicussions of the infamous Swedish Frying Pan study. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ snip - SVO appears now in the European Biofuel Directive on the list of accepted Biofuels. It was not an Oops mistake by the officials in the EU Commission. It was very hard work to get it there, and it was only possible because there exist so many good working practical examples, and some relative limited documentation. Good work! I'm glad there were enough good examples to get that done, but really it's still just a fringe, a small minority. It'll take time. I agree the object is to put pressure on the manufacturers, but not by sweeping problems under the carpet and pretending they don't exist, which some SVO people have tended to do. There«s no problems, only challenges, and they should not stay under the carpet. Problems, challenges, call them what you like, but SVO promoters who deny them are only creating more problems. I don«t say it«s easy, but it«s definitely possible, and that's my point and reason to work for SVO. Let people who know about SVO work with that, and let others who don«t know about it and who only see problems work with something else. Don«t invent problems. I think you're inventing people who're inventing problems, if you think that's what I'm doing. Anyway, Niels, if you like, I can add this very useful comment from you to that TDI controversy page. It could sure use something on the pro side, I've been waiting for it, but there's been very little that's had any substance, if anything. I don't want to tell Adam Khan his study is useless though. Did you read the whole report? No, I didn«t read it, but from the title Research into Biodiesel Kinetics and Catalyst Development it«s obvious that Con SVO arguments helps to justify the study. That might be less obvious if you had read it, and with less of an SVO bias. It«s probably very useful if you are interested promoting biodiesel, He's a reearcher, not a promoter. but from the Con SVO arguments you quote from the study, I don«t expect to find any useful information about SVO as fuel. That much was useful, and so is
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This is in the List rules, as such, referred to in the Welcome message you received when you joined the list: Virus-free -- As an essential anti-virus measure the list does not accept attachments. All attachments are automatically removed before messages are distributed to the members. It is not possible to receive a virus from the Biofuel list. Sorry, but that's the way it is. The rules are here, by the way: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html [Biofuel] List rules Best wishes Keith Addison List owner Hakan, I think it must be as you say. I do not have your range of technical knowledge on this subject. I tried to 'attach' a document re my own testing with other partners on a technology which can treat all fossil fuels to permit them to burn more efficiently. This stuff really excites me, and I am trying to find out if it can similarly work with bio-fuels. I'll try to attach here also. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI
Keith Addison wrote: I see you still haven't looked at the page I referred to, which you said needed updating (which it doesn't), so I referred you to it again Actually, I have read it and in fact have referred others to it on a regular basis. I am quite aware that it refers to SVO and not BD. However, *you* referred Mel to it when his original question dealt with biodiesel, not SVO. You said: Biodiesel's no problem, SVO/WVO is something of a controversy. You're mixing up two emails. I disagree, and feel that the page should be updated to include the fact that US spec BD may not be appropriate in a PD TDI. Why would anyone want to put information about biodiesel on a page entirely about SVO? The reason I referred Mel to the page was that it wasn't clear whether he was referring to SVO or biodiesel, and that was obvious enough. What isn't at all obvious, at least to me, is why you've answered a question I didn't ask but not the one I did ask, and in fact snipped it out. So I'll unsnip it back in again. You said this: The Bosch designed unit injectors found in the PD engines get up into the neighborhood of 20,000 psi. Questions have been raised on whether BD use is appropriate at such pressures. My understanding is that these pressures are much much higher than either the old distributor pump or common rail designs used in other models. My original point remains unchanged; do not assume that experience with pre2004 TDIs and BD use can be extrapolated to new PD engines. This is not to say that they won't be fine, but the history just isn't there...yet. jh This was my reply: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_TDI.html The TDI-SVO controversy Please note, if nothing else, that it's about SVO. Anyway, this is one thing you'd have found there: ... Siemens, Delphi and Bosch all are ramping production of sophisticated new injectors that can handle today's sky-high fuel pressure, and inject infinitesimal fuel droplets so quickly that upcoming diesels may at times employ as many as five distinct injections for each cylinder's combustion 'event.' ... the most promising advantage of common-rail technology is the ability to deliver extremely high fuel pressures on the order of 23,000 psi (1,600 bar) or more. This type of pressure means that in microseconds, astonishingly tiny fuel droplets can be injected; these droplets more effectively mix with the induction air, boosting power production and reducing emissions. Only Volkswagen AG, Europe's diesel volume-sales leader, has resisted the common-rail development path, instead relying on its unique 'unit injector' system that combines each injector with an integral fuel pump, energized by its own lobe on the camshaft. This system develops pressures of up to 29,300 psi (2,020 bar)... -- From Super Diesels!, Ward's Auto World, September 1, 2001 http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=50releaseid =8418magazinearticleid=118355siteid=26 23,000 psi, 29,300 psi... Note the date - 2001. If you think a mere 20,000 psi is all-new for 2004, then you couldn't have read the page, could you, as it refers quite prominently to much higher pressures in 2001. If you feel that particular page is focused on SVO specifically rather than the overall controversy over what is the appropriate in fuel a TDI, I can understand that. It's not that I feel that way, it is that way. That's why it's called The TDI-SVO controversy and not the TDI-appropriate fuel controversy, and also why the only way to reach it is via the main SVO page (and the Site map). However, can you see from my perspective why I think a page on TDI fueling controversy should include info about US spec BD in a PD engine? That would be a different page. We wouldn't do such a page. The JtF website had visitors from 187 countries last month, not just the US. To claim that a page called The TDI-SVO controversy needs updating because it lacks information on US spec biodiesel in a PD engine is preposterous, it has nothing to do with running a TDI on Straight Vegetable Oil. After all, the url *is* /biodiesel_TDI.html, not /SVO_TDI.html Can you see how this might be misleading as to the focus of the page? Oh come off it John! You're clutching at straws. SVO is dealt with in the Biodiesel section, as a sub-set. There isn't a separate SVO section, nor will there be. That TDI page isn't even accessible directly from the Biodiesel section, only from the main SVO page. It's a url, the page has a Title, which appears at the top of the browser window, far outweighing whatever it may say obscurely in the url code, the title is The TDI-SVO controversy, and there's a big red headline right at the top saying the same thing. If you want to think that's misleading, well, suit yourself. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Biofuel] To small batch producersof bio-diesel in minnesota
Not in the Twin Cities, I'm in a similar boat here in Madison. It seems as if the once-active Madison Biodiesel Co-op is pretty much defunct. I'm wrestling with not only equipment, but a good source for methanol and potassium hydroxide (in smallish quantities). I'm considering traveling to Nevada for the workshop too. -David ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] We're Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore
simply perfectly correct -- JRD We're Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore By Garrison Keillor Something has gone seriously haywire with the Republican Party. Once, it was the party of pragmatic Main Street businessmen in steel-rimmed spectacles who decried profligacy and waste, were devoted to their communities and supported the sort of prosperity that raises all ships. They were good-hearted people who vanquished the gnarlier elements of their party, the paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element. The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought the Korean War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System, declined to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a period of peace and prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and letters flourished and higher education burgeoned and there was a degree of plain decency in the country. Fifties Republicans were giants compared to today's. Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor. In the years between Nixon and Newt Gingrich, the party migrated southward down the Twisting Trail of Rhetoric and sneered at the idea of public service and became the Scourge of Liberalism, the Great Crusade Against the Sixties, the Death Star of Government, a gang of pirates that diverted and fascinated the media by their sheer chutzpah, such as the misty-eyed flag-waving of Ronald Reagan who, while George McGovern flew bombers in World War II, took a pass and made training films in Long Beach. The Nixon moderate vanished like the passenger pigeon, purged by a legion of angry white men who rose to power on pure punk politics. Bipartisanship is another term of date rape. says Grover Norquist, the Sid Vicious of the GOP. I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. The boy has Oedipal problems and government is his daddy. The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong's moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt's evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we're deaf, dumb and dangerous. Rich ironies abound! Lies pop up like toadstools in the forest! Wild swine crowd round the public trough! Outrageous gerrymandering! Pocket lining on a massive scale! Paid lobbyists sit in committee rooms and write legislation to alleviate the suffering of billionaires! Hypocrisies shine like cat turds in the moonlight! O Mark Twain, where art thou at this hour? Arise and behold the Gilded Age reincarnated gaudier than ever, upholding great wealth as the sure sign of Divine Grace. Here in 2004, George W. Bush is running for reelection on a platform of tragedy. The single greatest failure of national defense in our history, the attacks of 9/11 in which 19 men with box cutters put this nation into a tailspin, a failure the details of which the White House fought to keep secret even as it ran the country into hock up to the hubcaps, thanks to generous tax cuts for the well-fixed, hoping to lead us into a box canyon of debt that will render government impotent, even as we engage in a war against a small country that was undertaken for the president's personal satisfaction but sold to the American public on the basis of brazen misinformation, a war whose purpose is to distract us from an enormous transfer of wealth taking place in this country, flowing upward, and the deception is working beautifully. The concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few is the death knell of democracy. No republic in the history of humanity has survived this. The election of 2004 will say something about what happens to ours. The omens are not good. Our beloved land has been fogged with fear, the greatest political strategy ever. An ominous silence, distant sirens, a drumbeat of whispered warnings and alarms to keep the public
RE: [Biofuel] Farmer's Lobby
Howdy Peggy, Firstly, I would like to say that I didn't mean to be offensive about regional differences in cost accounting. I should give notice when I make a 'friendly' facetious remark. In fact, when I was a teenager many years ago, I hung around at the local train depot where an elderly gentleman from Texas was the evening shift telegraph operator and would allow me to sit in the ticket office and do my school homework while he pounded on the telegraph key. He was one wise fellow who had worked across the southwest on many railroads before settling down in the upper Midwest. Thanks, for the Arkenol link. I'll read it over. In return, here is a biodiesel processing manufacturer company that is located in Minnesota. I see that Keith has it in his links section also. Link with photos: http://www.crowniron.com Just look for 'biodiesel' and click on it. They have a photo gallery also. Also, the Red River Valley on the border of North Dakota/Minnesota could use some biomass-to-ethanol conversion with all their potato, sugar beet, and flour processing wastes. Links here: http://www.westbioenergy.org/reports/nderept.htm and http://www.westbioenergy.org/may2001/05-01a.html And finally, please ask your biochemist if he ever heard of JW Dant 100 proof Kentucky Bourbon. It was pretty cheap stuff long ago and probably wasn't aged more than about 30 seconds. grin Regards, Ron B. = Hi Ron, Actually our cost estimates for the existing industry numbers came from Arkenol's faq where you will find the $5.00/gallon of annual capacity quote and that's not Texas, folks. By the way, our biochemist is not a Texas native. He comes from a long line of legal industrial beverage distillers in Kentucky. Note the commercial producers in this example are using a concentrated acid process to convert cellulose to sugar, and are going to the expense of recovering the acid instead of letting it go to gypsum. Sulfuric is the cheapest acid on the market. Then they use custom designed organisms to digest the sugar. Dilute acid extraction and microbial hydrolysis to sugar is cheaper. Click here: FAQ's - Technology http://www.arkenol.com/Arkenol%20Inc/faq03.html#top Also, Ron, I appreciate your observations and comments. Hopefully, you can understand the new benefits that are coming available from innovative sources beyond government interaction. Because you are a defender of the current technology, does that mean you are a stake holder or an employee of the government or academia? You know it is possible to improve production quantity and quality in many different areas including, efficient small scale production, new processing techniques, new microorganisms, and more. The main point is that new small production facilities are not in competition with the big boys. There is currently enough need and not enough production capabilities. It seems to me that you would be pleased to learn about expanding the industry. If you can offer community projects at a reasonable start-up investment, then more power to you. We are not in competition with you or anyone else. We offer a ways to an end. By the way, does being a Texan qualify a person for your definition of ignorance? Golly Gee! I'm not related to the Bush family and they are fairly new comers to those of us who trace their ancestors to the Alamo. Mostly Texans are hard-working grassroots INDIVIDUALS who stand on their own two feet and lend a helping hand to neighbors. Also, I did buy my scientific calculator from Texas Instruments and it seems to work just fine. Really Ron, I enjoy your posts and would like to be a friendly neighbor. Best wishes, Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] replacement diesel engine
I may still have a manual (I will look). The maintenance is no big issue, the Diesel injector maintenance shop had no problems maintaining the pump injectors. The main 'problem' I had was with the timing belt light: I was never able to figure out how to reset it after the belt was changed. (Apparently there is a plug near the fuse box that you change around, that resets it, but I only found out after I had sold the car.) regards Doug On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:19 pm, George Smiley wrote: I drive an 89 Mazda 626 super charged 2 litre diesel. To put one of these engines into another 626 petrol car even would be one of the labours of Hercules, it fills the compartment, also an inter cooler, (why on a supercharger I do not know, and has a diesel computer box under the dash, any number of sensors and extra functions on the instrument panel. Get real, the thing only cost $3500, but partly because as a rare imported car there are no parts/ tune-up spec manuals etc. available locally and no-one wants to nut all that out themselves. If anybody knows where I can access that stuff I would appreciate the information. - Original Message - From: Michael Olivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] replacement diesel engine Dear Al, Mazda 626's actually came out as diesels for awhile... 86-91 from memory I think. As for whacking a diesel engine INTO a car... theres a fair bit of work involved. On the older engines its not that big of a deal, but on newer cars its a real pain, not to meantion changing trans, tailshatfs, etc. Hope it helps Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:41 AM Subject: [Biofuel] replacement diesel engine Hi, There has been some talk on this list a while back about small cubic image replacement engine for American cars, but I was wondering does anyone make them for foreign cars? I would like to a diesel in a mazda 626 or toyota camry. I really didn't spend much time looking, but are there options to do this? Thanks, Al ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
