Re: [Biofuel] OFM Tube

[Keith Addison]

>Quoting Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Hello Andrew, John
> >
> > >Quoting john owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > > hi
> > > >  I just finished designing and building a batch processor based on the
> > > > journey to forever 90 ltr processor I now want to design an ofm flow
> > tube.
> > > > Is there any other sites other than cambridge That would be usefull.
> > > >  John
> > >
> > >I've thought about this, but think that the OFM technology might not
> > >be the best
> > >for yields. I know that the Cambridge site mentions biodiesel 
>production but
> > >posts to this list make me think that the agitation may actually 
>harm yield.
> > I
> > >base this on a post I made and the subsequent replies I got when
> > >Mike Allen was
> > >designing Deep Throat,
> >
> > Aarghhh! Deep Thort! LOL!
>
>I've just gone back to the page and had a look - I'm NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY and
>explain that Freudian slip!!!
>
>Andrew

ROFL!!! It would be superfluous anyway Andrew, I'm sure everyone can 
tell it's just that you spilled coffee on your keyboard and now it 
types all funny sometimes. On a respectable family-values list like 
this too, heavens, whatever next. Clearly it's all Michael's fault.

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] OFM Tube

[Andrew Lowe]

Quoting Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hello Andrew, John
> 
> >Quoting john owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > hi
> > >  I just finished designing and building a batch processor based on the
> > > journey to forever 90 ltr processor I now want to design an ofm flow
> tube.
> > > Is there any other sites other than cambridge That would be usefull.
> > >  John
> >
> >I've thought about this, but think that the OFM technology might not
> >be the best
> >for yields. I know that the Cambridge site mentions biodiesel production but
> >posts to this list make me think that the agitation may actually harm yield.
> I
> >base this on a post I made and the subsequent replies I got when
> >Mike Allen was
> >designing Deep Throat,
> 
> Aarghhh! Deep Thort! LOL!

I've just gone back to the page and had a look - I'm NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY and
explain that Freudian slip!!!

Andrew

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Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?

[fresheggs141]

i bought a 100 gallon pasturizer at a school that was no longer pasturizing 
their milk. it seems the usda was making life unbearable for them. if i want to 
pasturize our milk and put it in a bottle the usda said i need to spend $50,000 
on an automatic bottler and  another $30,000 for a bathroom in the barn plus 
whtaever else they haven't told me about. Or if i sell straight from the cow 
the state will test it once a month and i can bottle the old fashioned way. 
anyway i was going to use it as a bd processor but, it doesn't seal well enough 
to prevent  the methanol fumes from escaping. If it did it would be an ideal 
processor. I did find that small bottlers usually have an old one around, as 
they upgrade to the new pasturizers that are continuous, rather than bulk 
pasturizers.


> Yup.  One thing France does well is cheese
> 
> Fred Finch wrote:
> 
> > There is a cheesemaker that sells a raw sheepsmilk cheese that is to 
> > die for.  But since she cannot legally sell raw milk cheeses of any 
> > kind she calls it "Catfood."
> >
> > Best damn catfood I ever tried.
> >
> > She has aged cheeses that are great too.
> >
> > Made locally and taste unbeleiveable.
> >
> > Sorry, no source on a pasturizer though.
> >
> > fred
> >
> > On 10/3/05, *Garth & Kim Travis* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> > For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies.
> > Bright Blessings,
> > Kim
> >
> > At 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:
> > >Oops.  I want to use it as my BD reactor.
> > >
> > >I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here!
> > >
> > >Garth & Kim Travis wrote:
> > >
> > > >Greetings,
> > > >Just curious, but why would you want one?  Raw milk sells for
> > 25% to 50%
> > > >more in Texas than pasteurized.
> > > >Bright Blessings,
> > > >Kim
> > > >
> > > >At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised
> > Holsteins
> > > >>and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer.  I have seen them as
> > small 30
> > > >>gallons.
> > > >>Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons
> > device?  Ebay
> > > >>has been pretty fruitless.  I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for
> > pickup.
> > > >>
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Re: [Biofuel] OFM

[Keith Addison]

Hello John

>Andrew, Keith
>
>   Thanks for the reply.
>would u think it possible to use acid base method with OFM . I was 
>thinking using two stage ofm first acid second base. I will use 
>centrifuge for seperation.  running at 1000 l/hr.
>Any one know any usefull sites.

Have you made any biodiesel yet John?

Best wishes

Keith


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[Biofuel] lookin for grants and a few more questions

[Evergreen Solutions]

Is anyone familiar with any grants, (federal, preferably) for BD
research/production? I'm sure they are out there, I just need to find
them.

Also, does anyone know where to look for the tax-break info for
companies using BD, and what percentage BD they need to use to receive
the benefit?

And, lastly, I know you can make some number of gallons per year before
you are expected to pay taxes. What's that number? And if you sell even
1 gallon, you're responsible for all the associated taxes, regardless
of how many gallons you've made, right? I'm wondering, what if you sold
it as an additive to people. Like "Come pick up 5 gallons and add it to
your fuel tank", since it's sold as an "additive", think you still need
to pay diesel taxes on it? Even if people ran it as B100, if you sold
it as an additive, might you get out of liability? That would be like
someone running "drigas" as their only fuel, legally I mean.

Yes? No? Comments?

Thanks!
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[Evergreen Solutions]

I make 120 L batches but only use about 1/2 in a week this is 6.35 gal
methanol and depending on the oil about 960 gr of lye per batch. So if Idrove twice as much I would use the # above.  I hope this helps.
Derick
Just wondering, why list liters per week but talk about methanol in
gallons? I assume because that's how it comes, but my mind understands
metrics better. Now I have to convert. :)

I think in general you can expect about 5:1 (oil to methanol), with a
high (70% or so I think?) percentage of that methanol being
recoverable, should you choose to distill it. At even $2.00 a
gallonI think that's worth distilling.
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Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct

[Kurt Nolte]

On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 I live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast, so it
gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your
definition of cold.  Anyway heating season is about November to
March and natural gas prices are through the roof.

I'm really keen on what you find out as a solution here, too. I'm also an SC-er, Upstate, near Clemson/Anderson. 

Similar  scenario, centralized heating with a forced air natural
gas furnace in the basement, and we're staring an estimated two grand
in heating costs for the winter. (Wide open house. Dumb idea when it
freezes regularly during the winter. Heating all that airspace sucks up
the gas. x.x)

So if you get suggestions or ideas, please share? I'll be keeping an ear out myself and send some your way if I hear them. 

-K

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Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

[bio]

I am in East Texas, and I can buy a 55 gal drum of methonal for $110. That's
$2.00/gal. This is the guy that supplies the race track guys. $5.00/gal sure
sounds expensive. I already bought jut 5 gal for a guy here for just
$2.50/gal. So I think you can do better if you shop around.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

Congrats
I too need to find methanol however since I am terrible with numbers
and I have as yet not made the strides you have in creating a test
batch, I am unclear how much methanol would be needed for say 20
gallons per week of finished biodiesel? I can see from this group and
at the JTF web site it does depend on the quality of WVO,
nevertheless, I would like a ball park figure so I can better picture
what I will need to become more self sufficient.
Sincerely,
Brian Rodgers

On 10/3/05, Jason Schick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I live in Phoenix, AZ and Western States Petroleum sells it in bulk for
> 2.67/gal.  They are a petroleum distributor.  I imagine you can find
similar
> businesses around.
>
> Jason
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:03 AM
> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!
>
> Apparently around here you can buy methanol from the pump at the local
> race course -- the race cars use it for fuel.  It's around $5/gallon
> or so I think.  If you can find any race car people in your area, they
> may know where to get it.
>
> Zeke
>
> On 10/3/05, ReZn0r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Bobby,
> >  Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isnŽt it?? ;-)
> > Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste:
> >
> > BC> OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of
scaling
> up,
> > BC> but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions?
> >
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[Biofuel] OFM

[john owens]

Andrew, Keith
 
   Thanks for the reply.
would u think it possible to use acid base method with OFM . I was thinking using two stage ofm first acid second base. I will use centrifuge for seperation.  running at 1000 l/hr.
Any one know any usefull sites.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Food Grade Lye

[Garth & Kim Travis]

Greetings,
Here is where snowdrift farms get theirs,

http://www.boyercorporation.com/index.html
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 04:30 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote:
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here is a link to a soapmaking website where you can by better quality
sodium hydroxide than Red Devil.
soap makers just trow away the biodiesel.
http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/

mel
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?

[Jay & Kathy Johnson]

www.hoeggergoatsupply.com & www.caprinesupply.com  have small 
(like 2 gal) pasteurizers.  Maybe you can find a farm supply that carries 
something.
 
I did a quick google search - but everything that I 
saw started at over $10,000!  YIKES!
 
Good luck,
 
Kathy
 
 
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From: "Garth & Kim Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk 
pastuerizer?
> Greetings,> For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal 
raw milk dairies.> Bright Blessings,> Kim> > At 
08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:>>Oops.  I want to use it as my BD 
reactor.I prefer raw milk but it is illegal 
here!Garth & Kim Travis 
wrote: >Greetings,>> >Just curious, but 
why would you want one?  Raw milk sells for 25% to 50%>> >more 
in Texas than pasteurized.>> >Bright Blessings,>> 
>Kim>> >>> >At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you 
wrote:>> >>> >>> >>A long time ago in 
a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins>> >>and had 
a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer.  I have seen them as small 30>> 
>>gallons.>> >>Anyone have any idea where I might find a 
50 - 100 gallons device?  Ebay>> >>has been pretty 
fruitless.  I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup.>> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye

[Jeromie Reeves]

Keith Addison wrote:

>Hi Mike, Brian
>
>  
>
>>Depending on how much you want to make you can buy dry gas (methanol) -
>>I get it for .69 at a dollar store
>>
>>
>
>How do you manage to cheat them out of 31 cents?
>
>"One type of DriGas is methanol, another is isopropanol, make sure to 
>get the methanol one."
>  
>
Maybe its one of the "dollar or under" stores.

>  
>
>>and Red Devil Lye at the hardware store.
>>
>>
>>Brian Rodgers wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Would you say that Red Devil Lye is or was the best source of
>>>Potassium hydroxide?
>>>  
>>>
>
>It's sodium hydroxide.
>  
>
AKA Caustic Soda. Any plumber can get it in large bags. I do not know if 
stores carry it as such.

>  
>
>>As It is way too early in the morning here in New
>>
>>
>>>Mexico and I have difficulties remembering which chemicals are which I
>>>looked up potassium hydroxide again. Maybe it will stick this time.
>>>
>>>The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition.  2001-05.
>>>
>>>potassium hydroxide
>>>
>>>chemical compound with formula KOH. Pure potassium hydroxide forms
>>>white, deliquescent crystals. For commercial and laboratory use it is
>>>usually in the form of white pellets. A strong base, it dissolves
>>>readily in water, giving off much heat and forming a strongly
>>>alkaline, caustic solution (see acids and bases). It is commonly
>>>called caustic potash. It closely resembles sodium hydroxide in its
>>>chemical properties and has similar uses, e.g., in making soap, in
>>>bleaching, and in manufacturing chemicals, but is less widely used
>>>because of its higher cost. It is prepared chiefly by electrolysis of
>>>potassium chloride; commercial grades of it sometimes contain the
>>>chloride as well as other impurities.
>>>  
>>>
>
>Traditionally made from wood ash (pot+ash). See:
>
>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_ashlye.html
>Lye from wood ash
>
>I still haven't tried it, I'll do it this winter when we have enough ash.
>
>  
>
>>>Also, my son and his best friend work at the local university, I asked
>>>them what type of equipment they can get their hands on to test the
>>>purity of household chemicals. It is my understanding that methanol
>>>can also be found in general goods stores if one knows what to look
>>>for.
>>>  
>>>
>
>In Canada it's called methyl hydrate and sold as "stove fuel".
>
>  
>
>>BBQ lighter fluid has no ingredients listing on the side like it
>>
>>
>>>should, but I am sure I have read here that it is based on methanol,
>>>true or no?  I asked the guys to look for a gas chromagraph at school.
>>>Can some of the laboratory types verify this would be a good piece of
>>>equipment for the younger generation to learn how to use?
>>>  
>>>
>
>Massive overkill.
>
>  
>
>>>I have the worst memory for new information so I have digested every
>>>message in this group as well as a few other sources in an attempt to
>>>memorise terms and processes. Unfortunately, as the old song or saying
>>>goes, I got a job, but it don't pay, thus my means and enthusiasm are
>>>constantly struggling for dominance. In other words I desperately need
>>>to find cheap or free equipment and chemicals 'and' I need to have
>>>alternate sources for as much of the needed stuff so I can better
>>>figure this all out while I am in the thinking about it stages of
>>>making my own biodiesel.
>>>  
>>>
>
>It doesn't work well that way, or only up to a point. Best to just 
>make a start, and as you progress I'm sure you'll find you'll change 
>a lot of the plans you're making now. Start making some test batches, 
>you can easily scrabble the makings for it together. Start here:
>"Where do I start?"
>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start
>
>Get some DriGas and Red Devil or equivalent, presume they're pure and 
>fresh enough. If you don't get good results then you can investigate 
>further and improve your sources of supply. Step by step.
>
>Blenders work, or rig one of these things:
>
>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor7.html
>Test-batch mini-processor
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith
>
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>>>Please any help which you lab techies can give us about analysing
>>>chemicals will be greatly appreciated.
>>>Sincerely,
>>>Brian Rodgers
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Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct

[Mike Weaver]

There is a list devoted to this.

 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

DO NOT ask *any* questions about anythng but "gun-style" furnaces - Becket 
Riello and so on.  If you ask 
about BD in a Kerosun or anything not strictly related to furnaces, they'll rip 
you head off.

Good luck!


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>I believe that there are number of people on this list who have used
>biodiesel in furnaces designed for heating oil.  Might be something in
>the archives from people who have done this.
>
>On 10/3/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Stop.  Don't.  Been there, done that.  BD won't climb a wick.  I got a
>>Kerosun with a wick running on about 40/60 BD/kero but it wasn't worth
>>the hassle.  A gun or nozzle style works much better, or google OM-22.
>>It runs well on *good quality* BD cut with a little HHO1.  It will run
>>but coke up on crummy BD or HHO2.
>>Might want to get the cleaning video.
>>
>>Ping me off list if you want gory details!
>>
>>-Mike
>>
>>Paul S Cantrell wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have a cental heating system in our house that burns natural gas.
>>>The unit sits in a closet in about the dead center of the house.
>>>I live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast, so it
>>>gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your
>>>definition of cold.  Anyway heating season is about November to March
>>>and natural gas prices are through the roof.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have this setup and use BD or byproduct or bioheating oil
>>>to supplement/reduce natural gas/electric heating?  If so, how do you
>>>do it?  Or, what would be the best way to do it?
>>>
>>>I was thinking of getting one or two of the 'kerosene' space heaters
>>>and using BD in them, so I could lower the thermostat.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Thanks,
>>>PC
>>>
>>>He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
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Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct

[Zeke Yewdall]

I believe that there are number of people on this list who have used
biodiesel in furnaces designed for heating oil.  Might be something in
the archives from people who have done this.

On 10/3/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stop.  Don't.  Been there, done that.  BD won't climb a wick.  I got a
> Kerosun with a wick running on about 40/60 BD/kero but it wasn't worth
> the hassle.  A gun or nozzle style works much better, or google OM-22.
> It runs well on *good quality* BD cut with a little HHO1.  It will run
> but coke up on crummy BD or HHO2.
> Might want to get the cleaning video.
>
> Ping me off list if you want gory details!
>
> -Mike
>
> Paul S Cantrell wrote:
>
> > I have a cental heating system in our house that burns natural gas.
> > The unit sits in a closet in about the dead center of the house.
> > I live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast, so it
> > gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your
> > definition of cold.  Anyway heating season is about November to March
> > and natural gas prices are through the roof.
> >
> > Does anyone have this setup and use BD or byproduct or bioheating oil
> > to supplement/reduce natural gas/electric heating?  If so, how do you
> > do it?  Or, what would be the best way to do it?
> >
> > I was thinking of getting one or two of the 'kerosene' space heaters
> > and using BD in them, so I could lower the thermostat.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > PC
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Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

[Mike Weaver]

Do it in litres - it's easier - 200 ml per litre.
Make it with some SVO first so you get a feel for how it works.

-Mike

Derick Giorchino wrote:

>You can get all the conversion info at onlineconversion.com 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>Congrats
>I too need to find methanol however since I am terrible with numbers
>and I have as yet not made the strides you have in creating a test
>batch, I am unclear how much methanol would be needed for say 20
>gallons per week of finished biodiesel? I can see from this group and
>at the JTF web site it does depend on the quality of WVO,
>nevertheless, I would like a ball park figure so I can better picture
>what I will need to become more self sufficient.
>Sincerely,
>Brian Rodgers
>
>On 10/3/05, Jason Schick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I live in Phoenix, AZ and Western States Petroleum sells it in bulk for
>>2.67/gal.  They are a petroleum distributor.  I imagine you can find
>>
>>
>similar
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>>Jason
>>
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>>
>>Apparently around here you can buy methanol from the pump at the local
>>race course -- the race cars use it for fuel.  It's around $5/gallon
>>or so I think.  If you can find any race car people in your area, they
>>may know where to get it.
>>
>>Zeke
>>
>>On 10/3/05, ReZn0r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>>Hi Bobby,
>>> Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isnŽt it?? ;-)
>>>Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste:
>>>
>>>BC> OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of
>>>  
>>>
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>  
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>>up,
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>>>BC> but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>BC> Thanks,
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[Mike Weaver]

'pends on how much you're making.  I don't make much because I don't 
drive much, each US gallon is roughly 800 ml Methanol and about 20 - 25 
gams lye, depending on oil, so 5 gallons of BD is about 4 litres 
methanol and 125 grams or so of lye.
YMMV.

Brian Rodgers wrote:

>this sounds like good advice
>
>On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel & oil
>>supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes.
>>
>>
>So this brings me back to the original question.
>How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week?
>Brian
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[Derick Giorchino]

I make 120 L batches but only use about 1/2 in a week this is 6.35 gal
methanol and depending on the oil about 960 gr of lye per batch. So if I
drove twice as much I would use the # above.  I hope this helps. 
Derick  

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this sounds like good advice

On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel & oil
> supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes.
So this brings me back to the original question.
How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week?
Brian

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Re: [Biofuel] Water Removal

[Derick Giorchino]

There is a type of absorbent that will
only absorb water and water based products I used to have some at work along
with a sister chemical for only oil. But I work with some dumb people that didn’t
read they used the water absorbent on oil spills and vise versa complaining
that the product sucks. Now I have none of it left I will try to find out the
name of the manufacture. But as I remember it quite expensive.

 









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Are there any methods other than heating
the BD to remove water? 






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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[des]

I spent an hour trying to beat the price of methanol that I bought last 
time, from a race car enthusiast, who sold it to me for $3.50 / gallon.

I called the local fuel / oil distributor, who has quite a monopoly in 
this small town, and his prices reflect that fact.  Their current 
pricing is $349. plus tax for a 55 gallon drum, or $7.00 per gallon. 
Upon calling other nearby towns, I found it to be quite unavailable at 
other similar types of suppliers.  (one receptionist was actually quite 
cold in her response, I assume the boss warned her about the druggie 
types that might be calling...  Who knows...)

So I guess I'm back to getting it from the race car enthusiast.  Last 
time I bought it, I got 10 gallons, I've been sharing it, with a 
neighbor who has farm equipment, another neighbor who has a diesel 
Suburban, and using it myself in my diesel Datsun pickup.  The 50 
gallons I made with 10 gallons of methanol has lasted all of us over 2 
months, (I'm the only one running more than B20, just been adding B100 
to whatever is in the tank, my full tank is now close to 85% BD. and no 
evidence of rubber decomposition...)

The Lye was made available to me through an industrial soap manufacturer 
in this small town, I've used about 1/3 of a gallon jug of the dry 
beads.  Didn't weigh the jug full, so I can't say exactly how much I've 
used.

On another note, I gave a friend a couple of gallons last week end, and 
he tried mixing it with kerosene for a heater that looks like a torpedo, 
or jet engine.  (wish I could tell you what he calls it.)  He reports 
that it burned well, good heat, smells like food, and no kerosene odor 
at all...

doug swanson
Brian Rodgers wrote:
> this sounds like good advice
> 
> On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel & oil
>>supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes.
> 
> So this brings me back to the original question.
> How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week?
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Re: [Biofuel] disolving lye

[Derick Giorchino]

I have removed the check valves on both
the inlet and exit and replaced them with hydraulic disconnects with a ball
valve behind to stop the flow when not wanted. I don’t wory about the dessolving
of the lye. I just mix the heck out of it and when it cools to the point that I
can touch the container without pain I mix it again untell there is no heat
generated. I have found when I mix in a glass jar or clear plastic bottle if
the mix doesn’t heat when shaken the lye is dissolved. As for the hand
hole I don’t have leeks yet I don’t tip it on the side. If I close
the valves It does build up some pressure. I use a fish tank pump to transfer
the finished mix to processor the draw back is I am not sure when it has all
been transferred. I need to turn off the whole shooting match and listen the
the processor for the faint drip or more so the lack of it. But I have the hang
of it now.








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Re: [Biofuel] disolving lye

[Derick Giorchino]

I don’t let it build up pressure I have
the top port open all the time it is hot. The rubber is not to much to wory
about I use o rings made of viton both on the shaft seal and the main opening. I
also keep the discharge valve closed so it wont siphon out.

 









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lye



 

I have one as well,

My concern would be the rubber seals and having anything that dangerous under
pressure.

Mike Luich
Salem NH



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Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



Derick,

 You have given me an idea re:
dissolving lye w/o exposure to fumes. 

 I am a homebrewer (beer) and have
several of the soda kegs you refer to. I use them when I keg beer.
 The port at the top is for introducing CO2 to seal the lid, for
carbonationand to force the beer out the other port for dispensing. 

 After fermentation and settling, the
uncarbonated beer is siphoned into the keg through the removable, clamp-down
lid.CO2 is intoduced  --- > pressure to seal the lid. At this point
they do not leak. They will leak if there is not adequate pressure inside or if
the lid has a bad gasket. The keg is shaken/rolloed on the floor to get
the CO2 dissolved.

 Could the same system be used to mix
and then dispense the methoxide into the processor? It would not even have to
be elevated.  The same pressure that seals the lid forces fluid out
the dipensing port.

    Problems:

  -You cannot see if all of the
lye is dissolved.

  -Remember that the tank is
pressurized. Must have a good way of regulating flow (on/off valve). Once the
dispensing port is opened (via a pushdown screw-lock attachment) the fluid
flows until the pressure is gone or the tank is empty. 

  Is anybody using these soda
kegs for dissolving and dispensing lye?


Tom

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
disolving lye





 





Hi there

 I have found a good way to mix the methoxide. The
process needs some exposure to the methanol at this time. I hope to eliminate
this soon.

I got a stainless steal soda syrup container on e bay .5 gal
cap. It has one port at the top that is above the top limit of the fluide and
one port that goes to the bottom of the vessel .

 I took out the relief valve and put a ½ '' o ring then
a ½'' I D  bronze bushing.

I picked up a small paint mixer at the hardware store welded
a ½'' stick of round bar to the end of the mixer. After filling the vessel with
methanol I add the dose of N.H.O. put the cap on and put the vessel in a large
bucket of cold water. With a hand drill on the mixer I mix the stuffing out of
the mix. The heat generated is quite enpresseve thus the need for the bucket of
cold water. 

The only draw back at this time is I am doing 120 l batches =
6.35 gal of methoxide. I have been just mixing the max of methoxide and pumping
raw methanol to make up the difference so for it seems to work out o.k. I don't
know if I can post pictures of this on this sight but if there is any interest
I would gladly send picks to those who would like.

Good luck 

Derick

 
















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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[Brian Rodgers]

this sounds like good advice

On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel & oil
> supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes.
So this brings me back to the original question.
How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week?
Brian

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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[Mike Weaver]

Good luck!

Brian Rodgers wrote:

>Hey thanks
>On 10/3/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>HEET blue is Methanol.  .98 is expensive try a dollar store or discount
>>store - I paid .69
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

[Derick Giorchino]

You can get all the conversion info at onlineconversion.com 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 1:09 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

Congrats
I too need to find methanol however since I am terrible with numbers
and I have as yet not made the strides you have in creating a test
batch, I am unclear how much methanol would be needed for say 20
gallons per week of finished biodiesel? I can see from this group and
at the JTF web site it does depend on the quality of WVO,
nevertheless, I would like a ball park figure so I can better picture
what I will need to become more self sufficient.
Sincerely,
Brian Rodgers

On 10/3/05, Jason Schick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I live in Phoenix, AZ and Western States Petroleum sells it in bulk for
> 2.67/gal.  They are a petroleum distributor.  I imagine you can find
similar
> businesses around.
>
> Jason
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:03 AM
> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!
>
> Apparently around here you can buy methanol from the pump at the local
> race course -- the race cars use it for fuel.  It's around $5/gallon
> or so I think.  If you can find any race car people in your area, they
> may know where to get it.
>
> Zeke
>
> On 10/3/05, ReZn0r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Bobby,
> >  Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isnŽt it?? ;-)
> > Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste:
> >
> > BC> OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of
scaling
> up,
> > BC> but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions?
> >
> > BC> Thanks,
> > BC> Bobby Clark
> >
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[Derick Giorchino]

Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal
I get mine at a fuel & oil supplier at $2.35 that’s including the
taxes.

 









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Behalf Of Paul S Cantrell
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005
1:29 PM
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Lye - Roebic-Heet



 





Brian Rodgers wrote:
I thank you very much.






You are welcome, of course...Kim  knew about it, I just copied the stock
#... 





 

This is just the kind of info I need to get started. If I see this
info five or so times it just may have a chance to sink in. 
Keith said I should just get started. At the moment I am content to
read and research as I don't own a diesel engine. I am in no rush. The
alternative is to make ethanol which is why I joined to this group to
begin with. It seems to me like bio-diesel is a whole lot simpler.
So for me just getting started is finding where the chemicals can be
had locally. Your info did just that. I live in New Mexico and we have
a Lowes. Now I need, I know, always something else, where do I get 
methanol for my test batches?
Slowly but surely,
Brian Rodgers






Advance Auto Parts has Heet (yellow bottle) on sale this week for *only*
US$0.98 per 12 oz (355 ml) and there's one in Clovis, NM...Other
auto parts stores carry it too.  We have a fuel distributor here in town,
when I get to the point of moving beyond test batches.

I just started driving my VW Jetta TDI as a daily driver last Monday, so I'm
still in the test batch stage myself...





 

Fred Finch wrote:
Paul,

make sure to update the subject heading.

fred






Sorry Fred, Keith et al.
My bad.  I realized it as soon as I hit 'send' and Gmail doesn't have a
recall option.  If I have one complaint about Gmail, it is that it does
not show you the subject title on replies.  But it is not their fault, it
is mine, I just need to click the 'Edit Subject' button



 



DOH!

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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[Brian Rodgers]

Hey thanks
On 10/3/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> HEET blue is Methanol.  .98 is expensive try a dollar store or discount
> store - I paid .69
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Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct

[Mike Weaver]

Stop.  Don't.  Been there, done that.  BD won't climb a wick.  I got a 
Kerosun with a wick running on about 40/60 BD/kero but it wasn't worth 
the hassle.  A gun or nozzle style works much better, or google OM-22.  
It runs well on *good quality* BD cut with a little HHO1.  It will run 
but coke up on crummy BD or HHO2.
Might want to get the cleaning video.

Ping me off list if you want gory details!

-Mike

Paul S Cantrell wrote:

> I have a cental heating system in our house that burns natural gas.  
> The unit sits in a closet in about the dead center of the house. 
> I live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast, so it 
> gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your 
> definition of cold.  Anyway heating season is about November to March 
> and natural gas prices are through the roof.
>
> Does anyone have this setup and use BD or byproduct or bioheating oil 
> to supplement/reduce natural gas/electric heating?  If so, how do you 
> do it?  Or, what would be the best way to do it?
>
> I was thinking of getting one or two of the 'kerosene' space heaters 
> and using BD in them, so I could lower the thermostat.
>
> -- 
> Thanks,
> PC
>
> He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[Mike Weaver]

HEET blue is Methanol.  .98 is expensive try a dollar store or discount 
store - I paid .69

Brian Rodgers wrote:

>hey thanks.
>yeah I caught that Kim pointed to the source but I was congtating you
>for the test batch.
>Anyway here I go again, Paul wrote: "Advance Auto Parts has Heet
>(yellow bottle) on sale this week for *only* US$0.98 per 12 oz (355
>ml)"
>Why do you mention this? Is heet methanol? If so, does the bottle list
>the purity?
>Again thanks for the help.
>I am currently reading (Again) the info found here.
>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth
>Keith I hope I don't sound like a complete idiot but that is a lot of
>information for me to organize in my mind. This group is a great
>source of info for a dope like me who has to ask it over and over to
>get a handle on it. to you all thanks.
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[Brian Rodgers]

hey thanks.
yeah I caught that Kim pointed to the source but I was congtating you
for the test batch.
Anyway here I go again, Paul wrote: "Advance Auto Parts has Heet
(yellow bottle) on sale this week for *only* US$0.98 per 12 oz (355
ml)"
Why do you mention this? Is heet methanol? If so, does the bottle list
the purity?
Again thanks for the help.
I am currently reading (Again) the info found here.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth
Keith I hope I don't sound like a complete idiot but that is a lot of
information for me to organize in my mind. This group is a great
source of info for a dope like me who has to ask it over and over to
get a handle on it. to you all thanks.
Brian Rodgers

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[Biofuel] Food Grade Lye

[Mel Riser]

here is a link to a soapmaking website where you can by better quality sodium 
hydroxide than Red Devil.
soap makers just trow away the biodiesel.
http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/
mel
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Cheap and easy filtering of WVO

[glenne1949]

In a message dated 10/3/2005 3:55:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Glenn;I'm not sure exactly what product you are talking about but if you are thinking about something which is supposed to be disposable please don't.  Whatever we build and use should be made to last and be emptied, washed and re-used.  This is not a throw away world and we have to get away from that poison mentality which the folks who manufacture plastic (which uses petroleum) would like us to have and believe and live by every day.  That is one of the reasons we are in trouble and heading deeper every day.Best regards. Joe
Joe, I see no reason why the sleeve could not be washed and reused, if that is what you want to do.  Or, if not washable, clothe that could be washed, could be wrapped around the pipe, and rewashed later,, same as was proposed in the earlier proposal.
 
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[Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct

[Paul S Cantrell]

I have a cental heating system in our house that burns natural
gas.  The unit sits in a closet in about the dead center of the
house.  
I live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast, so it
gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your
definition of cold.  Anyway heating season is about November to
March and natural gas prices are through the roof.

Does anyone have this setup and use BD or byproduct or bioheating oil
to supplement/reduce natural gas/electric heating?  If so, how do
you do it?  Or, what would be the best way to do it?

I was thinking of getting one or two of the 'kerosene' space heaters and using BD in them, so I could lower the thermostat.-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet

[Paul S Cantrell]

Brian Rodgers wrote:I thank you very much.
You are welcome, of course...Kim  knew about it, I just copied the stock #... 
This is just the kind of info I need to get started. If I see thisinfo five or so times it just may have a chance to sink in.
Keith said I should just get started. At the moment I am content toread and research as I don't own a diesel engine. I am in no rush. Thealternative is to make ethanol which is why I joined to this group to
begin with. It seems to me like bio-diesel is a whole lot simpler.So for me just getting started is finding where the chemicals can behad locally. Your info did just that. I live in New Mexico and we havea Lowes. Now I need, I know, always something else, where do I get
methanol for my test batches?Slowly but surely,Brian Rodgers
Advance Auto Parts has Heet (yellow bottle) on sale this week for
*only* US$0.98 per 12 oz (355 ml) and there's one in Clovis, NM...Other
auto parts stores carry it too.  We have a fuel distributor here
in town, when I get to the point of moving beyond test batches.

I just started driving my VW Jetta TDI as a daily driver last Monday, so I'm still in the test batch stage myself...
Fred Finch wrote:Paul,make sure to update the subject heading.
fred
Sorry Fred, Keith et al.
My bad.  I realized it as soon as I hit 'send' and Gmail doesn't
have a recall option.  If I have one complaint about Gmail, it is
that it does not show you the subject title on replies.  But it is
not their fault, it is mine, I just need to click the 'Edit Subject'
button
DOH!
-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
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Re: [Biofuel] DIGESTS - PLEASE READ!!!!! - was Re: Biofuel Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9

[Brian Rodgers]

What the heck is this? noname?
Brian Rodgers


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Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

[Brian Rodgers]

Congrats
I too need to find methanol however since I am terrible with numbers
and I have as yet not made the strides you have in creating a test
batch, I am unclear how much methanol would be needed for say 20
gallons per week of finished biodiesel? I can see from this group and
at the JTF web site it does depend on the quality of WVO,
nevertheless, I would like a ball park figure so I can better picture
what I will need to become more self sufficient.
Sincerely,
Brian Rodgers

On 10/3/05, Jason Schick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I live in Phoenix, AZ and Western States Petroleum sells it in bulk for
> 2.67/gal.  They are a petroleum distributor.  I imagine you can find similar
> businesses around.
>
> Jason
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:03 AM
> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!
>
> Apparently around here you can buy methanol from the pump at the local
> race course -- the race cars use it for fuel.  It's around $5/gallon
> or so I think.  If you can find any race car people in your area, they
> may know where to get it.
>
> Zeke
>
> On 10/3/05, ReZn0r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Bobby,
> >  Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isnŽt it?? ;-)
> > Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste:
> >
> > BC> OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of scaling
> up,
> > BC> but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions?
> >
> > BC> Thanks,
> > BC> Bobby Clark
> >
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[Biofuel] DIGESTS - PLEASE READ!!!!! - was Re: Biofuel Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9

[Keith Addison]

Sigh... There were TWO moderators' messages about this last month. PLEASE pay some attention!!!

At the top of the Digest it says: "When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Biofuel digest...""

Nobody will read a message titled "Re: Biofuel Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9" and it will foul up archives searches forever. It should have read "Re: Red Devil Lye". 

Thankyou.

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Paul S Cantrell wrote:

Yes, Lowe's carries lye in the US under the brand name Roebic. They do NOT appear to ship it.  US$7.66 + tax for  908 grams here in Charleston, South Carolina.
Claims to be 100% NaOH

Roebic
2 Lbs. Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener
Item #: 146450   Model: HD-CRY

Description:
"Contains 100% Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda)
Clears tough clogs from pipes and drains
Melts and destroys grease and other kitchen clogs
Keeps drains clear
Economical"

www.lowes.com   search by item # 146450

Kim wrote:
Greetings,
Apparently Lowe's carries lye in a 2 lb package for around $7.  I am sorry,
but I have not paid much attention since I buy my lye in bulk from Boyer
Corporation,  Their KOH is 99% pure.
Bright Blessings,
Kim


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Re: [Biofuel] Cheap and easy filtering of WVO

[Joe Street]

Glenn;

I'm not sure exactly what product you are talking about but if you are
thinking about something which is supposed to be disposable please
don't.  Whatever we build and use should be made to last and be
emptied, washed and re-used.  This is not a throw away world and we
have to get away from that poison mentality which the folks who
manufacture plastic (which uses petroleum) would like us to have and
believe and live by every day.  That is one of the reasons we are in
trouble and heading deeper every day.

Best regards. 
Joe

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  Joe says:
  For vacuum use, I would construct a filter by using a
pipe with tons of holes drilled in it and wrap it with the sheet or
felt or what have you,  Then place this pipe inside a larger pipe as a
housing.  The inlet would be to the outer pipe and then the pipe with
the holes becomes a mechanical support for the filter media.  The
outlet then becomes the end of the inner pipe.  A pipe reducer then
adapts the inner pipe to the outer one.  You would have to ream out the
reducer so the smaller pipe can go right through before you glue it. 
Use a peice of rubber tire inner tube that fits the outer pipe with
some hose clamps as a seal.  
   
  Home Depot, and probably Lowes, in plumbing, stocks an
endless sleeve that fits over a 4 or maybe 6-in perforated pvc pipe,
for use in filtering out sand that would eventually clog the inside of
a subsoil installation carrying water away from the perimeter of a
building.
   
    As a prefilter for wvo, perhaps secondary to the initial
screening of gross crud, would such a filter work?  Possibly inserted
into a long trough into which the wvo was poured, a six feet or longer
section of perforafed 4 or 6-in pvc pipe, capped at both ends, the
filter clamped at either end on the pipe,, with a 3/4-in pipe tapped
into the side of the pipe,from which the filtered wvo was continuously
pumped into the next stage of filtration.  A new section of pipe with
filter would be installed periodically to replace the crudded one.  Any
comments?
   
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Re: [Biofuel] To Conserve Gas, President Calls for Less Driving

[Mike Weaver]

Hrmmph.  I feel like my way of life is being negotiated.  How am I 
supposed to keep gas in my Hummer?

Michael Redler wrote:

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> program which I like to call his "unemployment stimulus package" has 
> already caused me to drive approximately 80 less miles per day since 
> my recent lay-off.
>
> I'm told that if I become destitute and exhaust all my options, there 
> is government compensation available for those over the age of 18, in 
> good physical health, willing to travel to exotic lands and wear a 
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Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?

[Mike Weaver]

Yup.  One thing France does well is cheese

Fred Finch wrote:

> There is a cheesemaker that sells a raw sheepsmilk cheese that is to 
> die for.  But since she cannot legally sell raw milk cheeses of any 
> kind she calls it "Catfood."
>
> Best damn catfood I ever tried.
>
> She has aged cheeses that are great too.
>
> Made locally and taste unbeleiveable.
>
> Sorry, no source on a pasturizer though.
>
> fred
>
> On 10/3/05, *Garth & Kim Travis* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> Greetings,
> For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies.
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
>
> At 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:
> >Oops.  I want to use it as my BD reactor.
> >
> >I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here!
> >
> >Garth & Kim Travis wrote:
> >
> > >Greetings,
> > >Just curious, but why would you want one?  Raw milk sells for
> 25% to 50%
> > >more in Texas than pasteurized.
> > >Bright Blessings,
> > >Kim
> > >
> > >At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised
> Holsteins
> > >>and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer.  I have seen them as
> small 30
> > >>gallons.
> > >>Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons
> device?  Ebay
> > >>has been pretty fruitless.  I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for
> pickup.
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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9

[Fred Finch]

Paul, 

make sure to update the subject heading.

fredOn 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, Lowe's carries lye in the US under the brand name
Roebic.  They do NOT appear to ship it.  US$7.66 + tax
for  908 grams here in Charleston, South Carolina.
Claims to be 100% NaOH

Roebic 
2 Lbs. Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener
Item #: 146450   Model: HD-CRY

Description:
"Contains 100% Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda)Clears tough clogs from pipes and drainsMelts and destroys grease and other kitchen clogs
Keeps drains clearEconomical"
www.lowes.com   search by item # 146450
Kim wrote:Greetings,Apparently Lowe's carries lye in a 2 lb package for around $7.  I am sorry,
but I have not paid much attention since I buy my lye in bulk from BoyerCorporation,  Their KOH is 99% pure.Bright Blessings,Kim-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch

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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic

[Brian Rodgers]

I thank you very much.
On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, Lowe's carries lye in the US under the brand name Roebic.  They do NOT
> appear to ship it.  US$7.66 + tax for  908 grams here in Charleston, South
> Carolina.
>  Claims to be 100% NaOH
>
>  Roebic
>  2 Lbs. Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener
>  Item #: 146450   Model: HD-CRY
>
>  Description:
>  "Contains 100% Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda)
This is just the kind of info I need to get started. If I see this
info five or so times it just may have a chance to sink in.
Keith said I should just get started. At the moment I am content to
read and research as I don't own a diesel engine. I am in no rush. The
alternative is to make ethanol which is why I joined to this group to
begin with. It seems to me like bio-diesel is a whole lot simpler.
So for me just getting started is finding where the chemicals can be
had locally. Your info did just that. I live in New Mexico and we have
a Lowes. Now I need, I know, always something else, where do I get
methanol for my test batches?
Slowly but surely,
Brian Rodgers

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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9

[Paul S Cantrell]

Yes, Lowe's carries lye in the US under the brand name
Roebic.  They do NOT appear to ship it.  US$7.66 + tax
for  908 grams here in Charleston, South Carolina.
Claims to be 100% NaOH

Roebic 
2 Lbs. Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener
Item #: 146450   Model: HD-CRY

Description:
"Contains 100% Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda)Clears tough clogs from pipes and drainsMelts and destroys grease and other kitchen clogs
Keeps drains clearEconomical"
www.lowes.com   search by item # 146450
Kim wrote:Greetings,Apparently Lowe's carries lye in a 2 lb package for around $7.  I am sorry,
but I have not paid much attention since I buy my lye in bulk from BoyerCorporation,  Their KOH is 99% pure.Bright Blessings,Kim-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
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Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

[Jason Schick]

I live in Phoenix, AZ and Western States Petroleum sells it in bulk for
2.67/gal.  They are a petroleum distributor.  I imagine you can find similar
businesses around.

Jason

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

Apparently around here you can buy methanol from the pump at the local
race course -- the race cars use it for fuel.  It's around $5/gallon
or so I think.  If you can find any race car people in your area, they
may know where to get it.

Zeke

On 10/3/05, ReZn0r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isnŽt it?? ;-)
> Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste:
>
> BC> OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of scaling
up,
> BC> but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions?
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic

[Paul S Cantrell]

Yes, Lowe's carries lye in the US under the brand name
Roebic.  They do NOT appear to ship it.  US$7.66 + tax
for  908 grams here in Charleston, South Carolina.

Claims to be 100% NaOH



Roebic 

2 Lbs. Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener

Item #: 146450   Model: HD-CRY



Description:

"Contains 100% Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda)Clears tough clogs from pipes and drainsMelts and destroys grease and other kitchen clogs
Keeps drains clearEconomical"

www.lowes.com   search by item # 146450
Kim wrote:Greetings,Apparently Lowe's carries lye in a 2 lb package for around $7.  I am sorry,
but I have not paid much attention since I buy my lye in bulk from BoyerCorporation,  Their KOH is 99% pure.Bright Blessings,Kim-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
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Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?

[Garth & Kim Travis]

Greetings,
Our favorite it raw milk in ziplock 1 gallon bags that read: Not for
human consumption.  
If you are willing to jump through the hoops, you can be legal here, but
lots of people still sell milk with the label for animals.  It is
much cheaper to produce.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 11:55 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:
There is a cheesemaker that
sells a raw sheepsmilk cheese that is to die for.  But since she
cannot legally sell raw milk cheeses of any kind she calls it
"Catfood." 
Best damn catfood I ever tried.
She has aged cheeses that are great too.
Made locally and taste unbeleiveable.
Sorry, no source on a pasturizer though.
fred
On 10/3/05, Garth & Kim Travis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Greetings,

For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

At 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:

>Oops.  I want to use it as my BD reactor.

>

>I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here! 

>

>Garth & Kim Travis wrote:

>

> >Greetings,

> >Just curious, but why would you want one?  Raw milk
sells for 25% to 50%

> >more in Texas than pasteurized.

> >Bright Blessings, 

> >Kim

> >

> >At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >>A long time ago in a land far away my extended family
raised Holsteins

> >>and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer.  I have
seen them as small 30 

> >>gallons.

> >>Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100
gallons device?  Ebay

> >>has been pretty fruitless.  I could go to Va, WV,
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> >>

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Re: [Biofuel] disolving lye

[Michael Luich]

I have one as well,

My concern would be the rubber seals and having anything that dangerous under pressure.

Mike Luich
Salem NHOn 10/3/05, Thomas Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:








Derick,
 
You have given me an idea re: dissolving lye w/o exposure to 
fumes. 
 
I am a homebrewer (beer) and have several of the soda kegs you refer to. 
I use them when I keg beer.  The port at the top is for introducing 
CO2 to seal the lid, for carbonationand to force the beer out the other 
port for dispensing. 
 
After fermentation and settling, the uncarbonated beer is siphoned into the keg 
through the removable, clamp-down lid.CO2 is 
intoduced  --- > pressure to seal the lid. At this point they do not 
leak. They will leak if there is not adequate pressure inside or if the lid has 
a bad gasket. The keg is shaken/rolloed on the floor to get the CO2 
dissolved.
 
Could the same system be used to mix and then dispense the methoxide into the 
processor? It would not even have to be elevated.  The same pressure 
that seals the lid forces fluid out the dipensing port.
    
Problems:

  
-You cannot see if all of the 
lye is dissolved.
  
-Remember that the tank is pressurized. Must have a good way of regulating flow 
(on/off valve). Once the dispensing port is opened (via a pushdown screw-lock 
attachment) the fluid flows until the pressure is gone or the tank is empty. 

  
Is anybody using these soda kegs for dissolving and dispensing 
lye?
 
Tom
   
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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] disolving 
lye
  
  
  Hi 
  there
   I have found a 
  good way to mix the methoxide. The process needs some exposure to the methanol 
  at this time. I hope to eliminate this soon.
  I got a stainless 
  steal soda syrup container on e bay .5 gal cap. It has one port at the top 
  that is above the top limit of the fluide and one port that goes to the bottom 
  of the vessel .
   I took out the 
  relief valve and put a ½ '' o ring then a ½'' I D  bronze 
  bushing.
  I picked up a small 
  paint mixer at the hardware store welded a ½'' stick of round bar to the end 
  of the mixer. After filling the vessel with methanol I add the dose of N.H.O. 
  put the cap on and put the vessel in a large bucket of cold water. With a hand 
  drill on the mixer I mix the stuffing out of the mix. The heat generated is 
  quite enpresseve thus the need for the bucket of cold water. 
  
  The only draw back at 
  this time is I am doing 120 l batches = 6.35 gal of methoxide. I have been 
  just mixing the max of methoxide and pumping raw methanol to make up the 
  difference so for it seems to work out o.k. I don't know if I can post 
  pictures of this on this sight but if there is any interest I would gladly 
  send picks to those who would like.
  Good luck 
  
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[Biofuel] Bad Oil?

[JEFF IHDE]

Hello all,
A friend of mine is going to start making BD. He brought me three samples of WVO from restaurants. He wanted to know which one of the three would be best for BD. I stopped testing at 10g per liter .1% KOH. At 10g/L there was no change in PH in any of the three samples. It seemed strange to have three samples all requiring such high titration levels. I tested some of the WVO I normally use and it came up to 8.5 PH with 3g .1% KOH. Is possible to have unuseable oil? Does it matter if the samples were taken from the oil on the top of the tanks?
 
Thanks
Jeff
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Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

[John Short]

I am purchasing from a company here in Dallas called Univar it runs about 
$2.36 a gallon the only catch is they only sell in drums, 55 gal minimum.


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> OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of scaling up,
> but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby Clark
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?

[Fred Finch]

There is a cheesemaker that sells a raw sheepsmilk cheese that is to
die for.  But since she cannot legally sell raw milk cheeses of
any kind she calls it "Catfood." 

Best damn catfood I ever tried.

She has aged cheeses that are great too.

Made locally and taste unbeleiveable.

Sorry, no source on a pasturizer though.

fredOn 10/3/05, Garth & Kim Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Greetings,For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies.Bright Blessings,KimAt 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:>Oops.  I want to use it as my BD reactor.>>I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here!
>>Garth & Kim Travis wrote:>> >Greetings,> >Just curious, but why would you want one?  Raw milk sells for 25% to 50%> >more in Texas than pasteurized.> >Bright Blessings,
> >Kim> >> >At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:> >> >> >>A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins> >>and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer.  I have seen them as small 30
> >>gallons.> >>Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device?  Ebay> >>has been pretty fruitless.  I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup.> >>
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[Biofuel] Fwd: Global Issues Email Update, October 2, 2005

[Keith Addison]

>List-Subscribe: 
>Subject: Global Issues Email Update, October 2, 2005
>Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:40:33 +0100
>From: Anup Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>In this update:
>---
>1) UN World Summit Outcome
>
>2) The US moves closer towards the option of a preemptive nuclear
>attack
>
>3) $255 billion is lost each year to governments around the world
>because of the no or low taxation of funds in offshore centers
>
>4) Arms sales increase for the first time in 2004 since 2000
>
>5) UN Oil for Food Scandal and Myths
>
>6) War on terror
>
>7) Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
>
>
>---
>1) UN World Summit Outcome.  Many criticized the final outcome
>document from the UN World Summit as being watered down and weak.  A
>lot of blame, both in the mainstream media, and from development
>organizations, has been placed at the United States for having
>proposed such an aggressive set changes in the first place (such as
>initially wanting to strike out all mention of the Millennium
>Development Goals, which was supposed to be the primary focus of the
>meeting itself!).  But other countries also expressed reservations
>on various issues too, leading to a weaker text than hoped for.  The
>UN World Summit page has been updated reflecting the outcome, with
>links to more detailed analysis.
>http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Poverty/unworldsummit2005.asp
>
>2) The US moves closer towards the option of a preemptive nuclear
>attack.  This is what the Pentagon would like to have the option of
>if they suspect an attack by a nation or a terrorist group using
>weapons of mass destruction.  Given the experience with Iraq and how
>US leaders said they were convinced of weapons of mass destruction
>there, this move is controversial to say the least.  Also, North
>Korea recently said it will not give up its nuclear program until
>the US provides it with a civilian nuclear reactor.  The media
>treated this as a set-back, seemingly ignoring that this was part of
>the original deal in the first place in 1994 to get North Korea to
>forego any nuclear ambitions.
>http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsControl/Nuclear.asp
>
>3) $255 billion is lost each year to governments around the world
>because of the no or low taxation of funds in offshore centers.
>Offshore tax havens allow multinational companies, rich individuals,
>corrupt leaders, criminals and terrorists to move or hide money.  To
>put this in perspective, the losses each year are more than the UN
>Millennium Project goal of reaching $195 billion in aid levels by
>2015 to help halve world poverty within a decade and prevent
>millions of unnecessary deaths in poor countries.
>http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Corporations/Evasion.asp
>
>4) Arms sales increase for the first time in 2004 since 2000.  Most
>arms sales continue to go to the developing world, but is heavily
>skewed towards around 10 or so main recipients in the Middle East
>and Asia.  Arms sales also seem to continue to known human rights
>abusers, as the arms trade is big business.  Graphs and related data
>were updated.
>http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/BigBusiness.asp
>
>5) UN Oil for Food Scandal and Myths.  The United Nations Oil for
>Food program in Iraq during half the period of crippling sanctions
>has often made mainstream news in recent months, as reports of
>corruption and oil smuggling by Saddam Hussein have surfaced.
>Common themes in the reporting have been to blame the entire UN for
>policies of the UN Security Council, to blame the Oil for Food
>program for most of the billions stolen by Saddam Hussein, to blame
>Kofi Annan for the whole mess, or even point to the program's
>supposed lack of transparency.  Yet, it turns out that the US
>actually accounted for more than the rest of the world combined in
>illegal oil sales by Iraq, though that has hardly received much
>media coverage in comparison.  The section on Iraq sanctions has
>been updated.
>http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Iraq/Sanctions.asp
>
>6) War on terror.  A number of articles on the war on terrorism have
>been reposted to this site.  One looks at another September 11,
>almost a century ago, as being the beginnings of the world's largest
>peace movement, started by Gandhi.  Another article looks at media
>and political manipulation in the United States since the terrorist
>attacks, and another two look at religious extremism in the US and
>police actions in the UK.
>http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/WarOnTerror/FullList.asp
>
>7) Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.  The devastation caused by hurricane
>Katrina in southern parts of the United States has been immense.
>Amidst personally moving stories of loss and suffering, of heroic
>individuals and communities, this tragedy revealed a number of other
>issues and there has been a lot of criticism at the Bush
>Administration for not doing enough quickly.  The mainstream media
>itself seems to have beco

Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

[Zeke Yewdall]

Apparently around here you can buy methanol from the pump at the local
race course -- the race cars use it for fuel.  It's around $5/gallon
or so I think.  If you can find any race car people in your area, they
may know where to get it.

Zeke

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>  Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isnŽt it?? ;-)
> Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste:
>
> BC> OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of scaling up,
> BC> but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions?
>
> BC> Thanks,
> BC> Bobby Clark
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[Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

[Bobby Clark]

OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of scaling up, 
but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bobby Clark



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[Biofuel] disolving lye

[Keith Addison]

Hello Tom and all

>Derick,
>
> You have given me an idea re: dissolving lye w/o exposure to fumes.
>
> I am a homebrewer (beer) and have several of the soda kegs you 
>refer to. I use them when I keg beer.  The port at the top is for 
>introducing CO2 to seal the lid, for carbonationand to force the 
>beer out the other port for dispensing.
>
> After fermentation and settling, the uncarbonated beer is 
>siphoned into the keg through the removable, clamp-down lid.CO2 is 
>intoduced  --- > pressure to seal the lid. At this point they do not 
>leak. They will leak if there is not adequate pressure inside or if 
>the lid has a bad gasket. The keg is shaken/rolloed on the floor to 
>get the CO2 dissolved.
>
> Could the same system be used to mix and then dispense the 
>methoxide into the processor? It would not even have to be 
>elevated.  The same pressure that seals the lid forces fluid out the 
>dipensing port.
>
>Problems:
>
>  -You cannot see if all of the lye is dissolved.
>
>  -Remember that the tank is pressurized. Must have a good way 
>of regulating flow (on/off valve). Once the dispensing port is 
>opened (via a pushdown screw-lock attachment) the fluid flows until 
>the pressure is gone or the tank is empty.
>
>  Is anybody using these soda kegs for dissolving and dispensing lye?

Something similar with Chuck Ranum's setup - see how he mixes 
methoxide (about two-thirds down the page):
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor4.html
Chuck Ranum's biodiesel processor

Best

Keith



> Tom
>
>   - Original Message -
>
>From: Derick Giorchino
>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 11:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] disolving lye
>
>Hi there
>
> I have found a good way to mix the methoxide. The process needs 
>some exposure to the methanol at this time. I hope to eliminate this 
>soon.
>
>I got a stainless steal soda syrup container on e bay .5 gal cap. It 
>has one port at the top that is above the top limit of the fluide 
>and one port that goes to the bottom of the vessel .
>
> I took out the relief valve and put a ½ ‘’ o ring then a ½’’ I D 
> bronze bushing.
>
>I picked up a small paint mixer at the hardware store welded a ½’’ 
>stick of round bar to the end of the mixer. After filling the vessel 
>with methanol I add the dose of N.H.O. put the cap on and put the 
>vessel in a large bucket of cold water. With a hand drill on the 
>mixer I mix the stuffing out of the mix. The heat generated is quite 
>enpresseve thus the need for the bucket of cold water.
>
>The only draw back at this time is I am doing 120 l batches = 6.35 
>gal of methoxide. I have been just mixing the max of methoxide and 
>pumping raw methanol to make up the difference so for it seems to 
>work out o.k. I don’t know if I can post pictures of this on this 
>sight but if there is any interest I would gladly send picks to 
>those who would like.
>
>Good luck
>
>Derick


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Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!

[ReZn0r]

Hi Bobby,
 Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isnŽt it?? ;-)
Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste:

BC> OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of scaling up,
BC> but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions?

BC> Thanks,
BC> Bobby Clark



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Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?

[Garth & Kim Travis]

Greetings,
For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:
>Oops.  I want to use it as my BD reactor.
>
>I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here!
>
>Garth & Kim Travis wrote:
>
> >Greetings,
> >Just curious, but why would you want one?  Raw milk sells for 25% to 50%
> >more in Texas than pasteurized.
> >Bright Blessings,
> >Kim
> >
> >At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins
> >>and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer.  I have seen them as small 30
> >>gallons.
> >>Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device?  Ebay
> >>has been pretty fruitless.  I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup.
> >>
> >>-Mike
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[Biofuel] 20l of glop

[Kenji James Fuse]

So I guess it had to happen sooner or later! Luckily I only made a small
20 l batch, and not 200! 20 l's of glop...

Ok, ok, I didn't titrate; I thought perhaps since the WVO was from my
regular source, I could use the average 6.2 g lye/litre (actually I used
a little less this time). And I didn't filter the oil this time - big mistake!
AND I did it outdoors on a damp night!

So it's my own fault, I made all the classic mistakes. Still, I'm left
with this stuff. Has anybody discovered a way to turn it into BD, or is
that a lost cause? If it's pure junk, how do we get rid of it?

Kenji Fuse
Victoria, BC
Canada



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Re: [Biofuel] disolving lye

[Thomas Kelly]

Derick,
 
You have given me an idea re: dissolving lye w/o exposure to 
fumes. 
 
I am a homebrewer (beer) and have several of the soda kegs you refer to. 
I use them when I keg beer.  The port at the top is for introducing 
CO2 to seal the lid, for carbonationand to force the beer out the other 
port for dispensing. 
 
After fermentation and settling, the uncarbonated beer is siphoned into the keg 
through the removable, clamp-down lid.CO2 is 
intoduced  --- > pressure to seal the lid. At this point they do not 
leak. They will leak if there is not adequate pressure inside or if the lid has 
a bad gasket. The keg is shaken/rolloed on the floor to get the CO2 
dissolved.
 
Could the same system be used to mix and then dispense the methoxide into the 
processor? It would not even have to be elevated.  The same pressure 
that seals the lid forces fluid out the dipensing port.
    
Problems:
  
-You cannot see if all of the 
lye is dissolved.
  
-Remember that the tank is pressurized. Must have a good way of regulating flow 
(on/off valve). Once the dispensing port is opened (via a pushdown screw-lock 
attachment) the fluid flows until the pressure is gone or the tank is empty. 

  
Is anybody using these soda kegs for dissolving and dispensing 
lye?
 
Tom
   
- 
Original Message - 

  From: 
  Derick Giorchino 
  
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 11:06 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] disolving 
lye
  
  
  Hi 
  there
   I have found a 
  good way to mix the methoxide. The process needs some exposure to the methanol 
  at this time. I hope to eliminate this soon.
  I got a stainless 
  steal soda syrup container on e bay .5 gal cap. It has one port at the top 
  that is above the top limit of the fluide and one port that goes to the bottom 
  of the vessel .
   I took out the 
  relief valve and put a ½ ‘’ o ring then a ½’’ I D  bronze 
  bushing.
  I picked up a small 
  paint mixer at the hardware store welded a ½’’ stick of round bar to the end 
  of the mixer. After filling the vessel with methanol I add the dose of N.H.O. 
  put the cap on and put the vessel in a large bucket of cold water. With a hand 
  drill on the mixer I mix the stuffing out of the mix. The heat generated is 
  quite enpresseve thus the need for the bucket of cold water. 
  
  The only draw back at 
  this time is I am doing 120 l batches = 6.35 gal of methoxide. I have been 
  just mixing the max of methoxide and pumping raw methanol to make up the 
  difference so for it seems to work out o.k. I don’t know if I can post 
  pictures of this on this sight but if there is any interest I would gladly 
  send picks to those who would like.
  Good luck 
  
  Derick
   
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Cheap and easy filtering of WVO

[glenne1949]

Joe says:
For vacuum use, I would construct a filter by using a pipe with tons of holes drilled in it and wrap it with the sheet or felt or what have you,  Then place this pipe inside a larger pipe as a housing.  The inlet would be to the outer pipe and then the pipe with the holes becomes a mechanical support for the filter media.  The outlet then becomes the end of the inner pipe.  A pipe reducer then adapts the inner pipe to the outer one.  You would have to ream out the reducer so the smaller pipe can go right through before you glue it.  Use a peice of rubber tire inner tube that fits the outer pipe with some hose clamps as a seal.  
 
Home Depot, and probably Lowes, in plumbing, stocks an endless sleeve that fits over a 4 or maybe 6-in perforated pvc pipe, for use in filtering out sand that would eventually clog the inside of a subsoil installation carrying water away from the perimeter of a building.
 
  As a prefilter for wvo, perhaps secondary to the initial screening of gross crud, would such a filter work?  Possibly inserted into a long trough into which the wvo was poured, a six feet or longer section of perforafed 4 or 6-in pvc pipe, capped at both ends, the filter clamped at either end on the pipe,, with a 3/4-in pipe tapped into the side of the pipe,from which the filtered wvo was continuously pumped into the next stage of filtration.  A new section of pipe with filter would be installed periodically to replace the crudded one.  Any comments?
 
Glenn.
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[Biofuel] Disappearing Antiwar Protests

[Michael Redler]

...for exampleMike
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Student who was Maced By Police is Now Banned from Campus!
http://www.traprockpeace.org/counter_recruitment/

At approximately 1pm on Sept 30, Sgt. Richard H. Wheeler and State Trooper Vasquez delivered a notice to Charles T. Peterson at the doorstep of his home in Springfield, MA. 

Charles was the student who was sprayed in the face with mace by Officer Scott Landry at the protest against military recruiters at Holyoke Community College on September 29.  

(Go to campusantiwar.net to see photos and read our previous statement about the police brutality ) 

The notice read: "Because of your conduct on the property of Holyoke Community College, your presence is no longer desired at Holyoke Community College, its property or buildings. Your failure to abide by said trespass notice will result in your arrest and court prosecution for trespassing. This notice will remain in effect untill [sic] revoked in writing by the Holyoke Community College Police Department."

This is in clear violation of the College's own stated policy that students, "have the right to procedural due process in grievance and disciplinary hearings." [Right #6, p22, HCC Policy Guide 05/06]

As Charles is employed on campus, this restraining order will keep him not only from getting an education, but also from working.  

Thus far, Charles has not been contacted by any member of the Administration, besides the campus police. So he has had his education and his job taken away from him with no explanation and no opportunity to appeal. 

It's worth repeating here that Officer Scott Landry, the officer who put Charles in a headlock and sprayed mace in his face, is also the Advisor to the College Republicans at HCC. The College Republicans were also present at the protest, chanting behind the police line to incite the police to attack students.  

On campus, the student body has become frighteningly polarized, and many students who were at the protest opted out of attending classes today for fear of harassment. 

Professor Mark Clinton, the faculty advisor to the Anti War Coalition has been summoned to see the Vice President of Academic Affairs on Monday afternoon. The Office of the Vice President would not inform Clinton's dean of the agenda for the meeting. 

Yesterday, Professor Mark Clinton's daughter was called an "ugly communist bitch" by a fellow student. 

Cindy Sheehan is scheduled to visit HCC in November. We will be trying to contact her to notify her of the recent police brutality and to ask her to make a statement in support of students.  If anyone reading this can help us get in touch with her, please let us know  (our email is at the bottom of this statement). 

Amazingly enough, a George Mason University student was assaulted by police on the same day as the HCC protest. Tariq Khan, a Pakistani-American and Air Force Veteran, wore a sign reading, "Recruiters tell lies" while standing in front of a US Marine recruiting table. After being harassed by ROTC members, the JC Operations Representative told Tariq that he had no right to voice his opinion without a permit and to leave. When Tariq peaceably refused, campus police violently assaulted him—choking him, pushing him, and slamming him against a stage. 

In Wisconsin, students at UW Madison were threatened with arrest and forced to dismantle their protest against the presence of the Air Force, CIA, and Marines at the College's career fair. They were told that they were violating the Administration's codes for protesting when in fact they were in no way breaching any part of it.

We are sticking with our former demands (see statement of September 29 on campusantiwar.net) but we would like to add the following:

---That the restraining order against Charles T. Peterson be lifted immediately so he can continue his education and return to his job. 

---That an impartial investigation be conducted into Officer Scott Landry's role in the battery at the September 29 protest-- given Officer Landry's dual role as armed police officer AND student advisor to the College Republicans. 

For the over 700 of you who have already called the school THANK YOU!  Please keep the pressure on. Please keep calling. We are hoping to flood the school with calls on Monday. 

Sincerely,

Members of the Anti War Coalition at Holyoke Community College

 
Please call Holyoke Community College to register you concerns.

President Messner       1-413-552-

Officer Scott Landry, 
Campus Police/ Advisor to the College Republicans   1-413-552-2048 

Vivian Ostrowsky, Student Activities Coordinator     1-413-552-2418  

 
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Disappearing Antiwar Protests

[Michael Redler]

The mainstream media (as we've discussed before) is anything but independent journalism. However, the Internet is one of a few and very powerful modes of communication which is available to people who see what's occurring within that media and look elsewhere. It is for this reason that anti-war protests are gaining strength. Even if you only hear about some vague reference to a protest in Washington DC on September 24th (for example), there are ways of getting details on it that the MS media on radio and television regularly suppress.I get emails that report regular peaceful and successful anti-war rallies and campus anti-recruitment activities. Despite following campus rules, there have been numerous reports of police violence and suppression of constitutional rights related to free speech and public assemblies. The protesters, who consider themselves conscientious citizens, are firm in their belief that the country has been taken over by
 a ruling class, interested in the accumulation of power and the further construction of a failing empire. In response, they have not backed down at all. So by saying that antiwar protests are "disappearing", I hope it is meant as a description of the coverage in the major television and radio networks and not the activities themselves.Mike   Alan Petrillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Scott Brown wrote:> Just another point of view.> > It may be that Bush is in the hands of the media and the people who control > the media rather than they are in his control. Does "puppet on string" > seem applicable ???Why not? After all, it is they who put him in power.AP___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___
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Re: [Biofuel] Cheap and easy filtering of WVO

[Joe Street]

    More pressure across the sheet will definitely increase throughput
but as one member pointed out the sheet can only take so much.  No a
plastic barrel would be worse. And no the size of the pump is not so
much of a factor.  I can implode a steel drum with an aquarium pump,
although it will take a little time, it will be just as exciting!  A
good vacuum (say 750 mm of mercury or roughly 29 inches) results in
atmospheric pressure on one side and essentially zero on the other. 
Atmospheric pressure is roughly 14.7 pounds per square inch (PSI).  Say
15 psi.  If the lid of a drum is 24 inches in diameter, it has an area
of  about 450 square inches.  A good vacuum would therefore place 450 x
15 = 6785 pounds or roughly 3 tons of force on the ends of the cylinder
and a hell of a lot more radially inwards on the sides of the
cylinder.  Even a wimpy partial vacuum of 2 inches mercury would put
roughly 450 pounds force on the drum head.

    What I have been considering doing is using gravity as a motive
force for filtering.  If I can raise a bucket of water in the air with
a hose attached to the bottom, I get roughly 1/2 psi for every foot of
height.  Now oil is a little lighter than water but it is roughly the
same.  If I can raise my drum with a block and tackle 40 feet up to the
roof of the barn I get about 20 psi of pressure on the end of my hose
where my filter housing is.  I would use a standpipe in the drum as
well so that the majority of the gunk stays in the bottom of the barrel
and doesn't clog my filter.  Also a very coarse prefilter or fine mesh
screen ahead of the actual filter will help tremendously.

      If you want to make a home job vacuum filter using bed sheets or
whatever, large surface area will help a lot in filter life but go for
a long narow cylindrical shape with smallish ends.  Cylinders take
force very well in a radial direction but not so well axially.  For
vacuum use, I would construct a filter by using a pipe with tons of
holes drilled in it and wrap it with the sheet or felt or what have
you,  Then place this pipe inside a larger pipe as a housing.  The
inlet would be to the outer pipe and then the pipe with the holes
becomes a mechanical support for the filter media.  The outlet then
becomes the end of the inner pipe.  A pipe reducer then adapts the
inner pipe to the outer one.  You would have to ream out the reducer so
the smaller pipe can go right through before you glue it.  Use a peice
of rubber tire inner tube that fits the outer pipe with some hose
clamps as a seal.  Check the touchless processor on the JTF site for
pics of this type fliter.

PS this filter won't work with pressure, only vacuum.

Cheers
Joe

Kurt Nolte wrote:
True. What if it were more of a pulsed vacuum, based upon
rate of flow?
A little vacuum assistance here, a little vacuum assistance there; what
I was operating off of was the principle behind a little piece of lab
equipment we used in high school, in which running water was used to
generate suction to draw thick or particle-heavy fluids more rapidly
through filter paper. The vacuum doesn't have to be huge, large or even
moderate, just enough to create a difference in pressure between the
atmosphere and the inside of the barrel. 
  
Though granted, if you go that route it's not really a cheap or easy
filtering solution anymore, is it? ;p
  
Though like somone else said, the filter in this case would probably
give way before the barrel did; you'd need some kind of reinforcement
to hold it together, especially right there at the rim of the barrel. I
wonder if sandwiching the bedsheets between two pieces of wire window
screen would help in that instance?
  
Perhaps multiple stages would be best, first vacuum drawing it through
wire screen, then a lighter vacuum filtration through the sheets, for
finer filtering?
  
 Would a plastic chemical barrel hold up better?
  
-K
  
  On 9/30/05, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
  
Careful.  Even a modest vacuum will result in tremendous forces
developing on the large surface area of that drum which is way too
wimpy metal for the job as a vacuum vessel.  You will end up crushing
the drum and making a huge mess!

Joe
  
  
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel as heating oil

[ROY Washbish]

Dave
Look at the bottom of this email and you will find links to the info you want
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Re: [Biofuel] To Conserve Gas, President Calls for Less Driving

[Michael Redler]

The president doesn't have to ask. The way I see it, his two-term program which I like to call his "unemployment stimulus package" has already caused me to drive approximately 80 less miles per day since my recent lay-off.I'm told that if I become destitute and exhaust all my options, there is government compensation available for those over the age of 18, in good physical health, willing to travel to exotic lands and wear a uniform.Mike Patrick Anthony Opaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?

[Mike Weaver]

Oops.  I want to use it as my BD reactor.

I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here!

Garth & Kim Travis wrote:

>Greetings,
>Just curious, but why would you want one?  Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% 
>more in Texas than pasteurized.
>Bright Blessings,
>Kim
>
>At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
>  
>
>>A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins
>>and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer.  I have seen them as small 30
>>gallons.
>>Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device?  Ebay
>>has been pretty fruitless.  I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup.
>>
>>-Mike
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Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?

[des]

Indeed...  I'd be a lactovegetarian, if I could find unpasteurized milk. 
  It seems odd that Americans, being one of the top consumers of milk on 
the planet also have the highest occurence of osteoporosis.  My 
suspicion, (I have no scientific proof) is that the pasteurization 
process makes the calcium unavailable for absorption.

doug swanson



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> Greetings,
> Just curious, but why would you want one?  Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% 
> more in Texas than pasteurized.
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
> 
> At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
> 
>>A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins
>>and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer.  I have seen them as small 30
>>gallons.
>>Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device?  Ebay
>>has been pretty fruitless.  I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup.
>>
>>-Mike
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Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?

[Garth & Kim Travis]

Greetings,
Just curious, but why would you want one?  Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% 
more in Texas than pasteurized.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
>A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins
>and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer.  I have seen them as small 30
>gallons.
>Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device?  Ebay
>has been pretty fruitless.  I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup.
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye

[Garth & Kim Travis]

Greetings,

Apparently Lowe's carries lye in a 2 lb package for around $7.  I am sorry, 
but I have not paid much attention since I buy my lye in bulk from Boyer 
Corporation,  Their KOH is 99% pure.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 04:48 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:

>Can soapmaking suppliers offer ready alternatives?
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith



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Re: [Biofuel] OFM Tube

[Keith Addison]

Hello Andrew, John

>Quoting john owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > hi
> >  I just finished designing and building a batch processor based on the
> > journey to forever 90 ltr processor I now want to design an ofm flow tube.
> > Is there any other sites other than cambridge That would be usefull.
> >  John
>
>I've thought about this, but think that the OFM technology might not 
>be the best
>for yields. I know that the Cambridge site mentions biodiesel production but
>posts to this list make me think that the agitation may actually harm yield. I
>base this on a post I made and the subsequent replies I got when 
>Mike Allen was
>designing Deep Throat,

Aarghhh! Deep Thort! LOL!

>http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor8.html
>- I think it was during then, but anyway, someone was designing a reactor...
>
>The designer had mentioned that they where using a motor with a 
>gear box so
>that the mixing blades rotate at a relatively slow speed hence not churning
>everything up.

That's Michael's view, yes. There are 10 big paddles on that mixer 
though, slow speed's all that's needed, 100 rpm. I like that way of 
doing it with a mixer rather than high speeds with a couple of small 
paddles.

I decided to use a pump instead with the JtF 90-litre processor, and 
Michael tut-tutted, all that agitation in the pump chamber, but it 
works very well anyway. Maybe it's different, slow agitation of the 
whole volume inside a tank or fast agitation of just a small part of 
the volume outside the tank with very little agitation inside the 
tank.

>I asked the question that wouldn't it be better to "flog the crap
>out of it" so that there was rapid and complete contact between all of the
>component chemicals. The reply was that due to the equilibrium (reaction
>kinematics???) of the oil/methoxide -> biodiesel/glycerine reaction, it was
>better to do things slowly and allow the glycerine to "drop out" of 
>the reation,
>down to the bottom of the reation, hence a tall slender reator is 
>better that a
>low squat one. It appears that the presence of the glycerine will hinder the
>conversion from oil to BioD.

We hadn't discussed it, but we both ended up with processors that 
drop out a lot of the glycerine during the process, both 
intentionally, but doing it in different ways.

>We have the idea that the level of the mixing tank outlet to the 
>pump relative to the bottom of the tank is quite important. With our 
>processor the mixing outlet is set somewhat higher than the level 
>the glycerine by-product will settle at. That level will vary 
>according to the oil (and process) you use. Especially with the rose 
>at the inlet in the lid, there's not much agitation in the tank, 
>mainly just circulation. The necessary agitation takes place inside 
>the pump. The pump pulls the oil in from the tank outlet, but that's 
>not very violent. As a result, a lot of the glycerine by-product 
>settles out during the processing, which is a Good Thing. We think 
>almost half of it settles out before the processing's finished. This 
>does also remove some of the excess methanol, which is dissolved in 
>the by-product.
>
>Aleks Kac's Foolproof two-stage acid-base process has an optional 
>step of draining off some of the glycerine during the base stage. 
>("The process runs fine without this step," he says. "It's just a 
>twitch to get higher yield" if your processor has a bottom drain.) 
>He said this about it:
>
>"The process is running on the smallest sensible volume of alcohol. 
>While removing a small portion of it with the by-product would seem 
>to slow the reaction down, the rather large mass of removed 
>by-product will tip the scale toward ester production."
>
>We find that's the case -- the settled out glycerine by-product more 
>than offsets any methanol removed, with very satisfactory results.
>
>CAPTION: The sample on the left was taken from the top of the 
>processor a couple of minutes before switching the pump off at the 
>end of the process. Immediately after processing the whole batch is 
>pumped into the holding tank via the processor's bottom drain. What 
>comes out first is already-settled glycerine by-product. Pumped into 
>the holding tank at the lid, it all gets mixed up again before 
>settling. The sample on the right is of the same batch, taken from 
>the top of the holding tank immediately after transfer -- twice as 
>much glycerine by-product.
-- Journey to Forever 90-litre processor
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html

The photograph is interesting.

Best wishes

Keith


>How is this relevant to OFM? With the OFM technology, all of the 
>components
>are in the tube, hence the glycerine does not get a chance to drop 
>out, in fact
>it is mixed up in the agitating components thus will probably hinder the
>reaction. I could see OFM being good for commercial situations where you could
>break the reaction down into, say, 3 parts/stages, the first part is run with
>the source oil 

Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye

[Mike Weaver]

I'll be looking all this up and will post what I find...

Keith Addison wrote:

>Hi Mike
>
>  
>
>>Hmm...KOH anyone?
>>
>>
>
>Sure, you'll like it.
>
>But what about alternatives to Red Devil? What will Americans do now 
>for conveniently packaged, readily available and relatively pure lye, 
>whether NaOH or KOH?
>
>Does Red Devil have any competition in the draincleaner market that's 
>pure lye, without aluminum and so on?
>
>Can soapmaking suppliers offer ready alternatives?
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Garth & Kim Travis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>This has been discussed at length on the soap making lists, and yes, it is
>>>true.  There is still some stock out, but they discontinued making the Lye
>>>in May.
>>>Bright Blessings,
>>>Kim
>>>
>>>At 01:52 PM 10/1/2005, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I asked my local True Value Hardware guy about Red Devil Lye being
discontinued.  He said he's heard it before and that he doesn't think
it's true.
I did buy his last two bottles, tho' ;-)


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Re: [Biofuel] Block heater for an 82 Mercedes

[Mike Weaver]

I used to be a mechanic but cars were simple back then!

robert luis rabello wrote:

>Mike Weaver wrote:
>  
>
>>Ouch.  You must've done it.  
>>
>>
>
>   Swapping freeze plugs is a standard procedure on every engine I've 
>ever rebuilt!
>
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[Biofuel] Biofuel as heating oil

[David Van Vleet]

I'd like to hear from anyone who uses processed WVO 
in their oil furnace.  Any differences in the process?  Any problem 
with the furnace?  
 
    
Thanks
 
Dave
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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye

[Keith Addison]

Hi Mike

>Hmm...KOH anyone?

Sure, you'll like it.

But what about alternatives to Red Devil? What will Americans do now 
for conveniently packaged, readily available and relatively pure lye, 
whether NaOH or KOH?

Does Red Devil have any competition in the draincleaner market that's 
pure lye, without aluminum and so on?

Can soapmaking suppliers offer ready alternatives?

Best wishes

Keith


>Garth & Kim Travis wrote:
>
> >Greetings,
> >This has been discussed at length on the soap making lists, and yes, it is
> >true.  There is still some stock out, but they discontinued making the Lye
> >in May.
> >Bright Blessings,
> >Kim
> >
> >At 01:52 PM 10/1/2005, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I asked my local True Value Hardware guy about Red Devil Lye being
> >>discontinued.  He said he's heard it before and that he doesn't think
> >>it's true.
> >>I did buy his last two bottles, tho' ;-)


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Re: [Biofuel] Bioheating oil (was disolving lye)

[Keith Addison]

>I am icorrect in understanding you can use a differnt (easier?) 
>recipe for heating oil? I'm looking into biodiesel for home heating 
>but have yet to come across anything on the net. If there is a 
>difference can someone point out some references? I need to convince 
>the wife for the initial investment.

See:
Heaters, burners and stoves > Bioheating oil
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#bioheat

Best wishes

Keith


>Mike Luich
>Salem, NH
>
>On 10/2/05, Keith Addison 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
>
>Hello Tom
>
> > I've been wondering about the problems one might encounter
> >trying to dissolve the lye when making bioheating oil. If I have it
> >right, one would dissolve the same amount of lye as if
> >making biodiesel, but using only half the methanol.
>
>One-quarter the methanol. The example given uses 3 litres of methanol
>for 60 litres of oil, that's 5% methanol, with the titration amount
>of lye (titration plus the basic 3.5 g/l for virgin oil). It gets
>hot, of course, but not enough to frighten. We use KOH, and quite
>nice oil, no problem even though the proportion of KOH to methanol is
>high.
>
>You also use a much higher proportion of lye to methanol in the
>acid-base process than in the single-stage base process, two-thirds
>higher, also no problem.
>
> >Well worth the effort if you can produce low cost heating fuel
> >w/o having to wash it.
>
>... unless you have rubber parts in your furnace, then you might have
>to wash it, though there can't be much free methanol in it, if any.
>I'm not sure how easy it is to wash it, I've never tried.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith
>
>
>
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: 
>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Ian & 
>Theresa Sims
> >To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> 
>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Biof 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:24 AM
> >Subject: [Biofuel] disolving lye
> >
> >Hi all
> >Most of the recipe's on JtF describe hours to dissolved the lye in
> >methanol. Mine usually takes about 20 minute to half an hour. I use
> >translucent bottles and check for settled lye. Is there something I
> >am missing? When I mix it I poor the Lye into the methanol and swirl
> >it for a minute or two , leave it for ten minutes or so, swirl some
> >more until its all gone. The BD I make has clean seperation and is
> >easy to wash. The same goes for either a 1L or 30 L batch.
> >Cheers
> >
> >Ian


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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Storage

[Kurt Nolte]

On 10/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:













I just made my first successful test batches. Now, I want to
make about 200 gallons and store it . Can I store the BD in plastic barrels? I
stored some Dino Diesel in a white plastic barrel once and wound up with 50
gallons of diesel on the barn floor because it ate the seams out of the barrel.
Should I store it in steel barrels?

   Rob
I don't know what kind of barrel your petrodiesel was stored in, but
from what I understand HDPE containers can stand up to the rigors of
BD. Or just about anything else. 

JtF's http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#plastics">Identifying
Plastics section has the symbol/code used to identify HDPE
containers. That little number two inside a recycling symbol.

Where to get HDPE barrels for cheap/free I don't know; I plan on using
agricultural tanks to store fuel for Dad's truck, when I get that far.
They're HDPE, and about $400 for a 300gallon tank around here.

Hope that helps.

-K

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Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye

[Keith Addison]

Hi Mike, Brian

>Depending on how much you want to make you can buy dry gas (methanol) -
>I get it for .69 at a dollar store

How do you manage to cheat them out of 31 cents?

"One type of DriGas is methanol, another is isopropanol, make sure to 
get the methanol one."

>and Red Devil Lye at the hardware store.
>
>
>Brian Rodgers wrote:
>
> >Would you say that Red Devil Lye is or was the best source of
> >Potassium hydroxide?

It's sodium hydroxide.

>As It is way too early in the morning here in New
> >Mexico and I have difficulties remembering which chemicals are which I
> >looked up potassium hydroxide again. Maybe it will stick this time.
> >
> >The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition.  2001-05.
> >
> >potassium hydroxide
> >
> >chemical compound with formula KOH. Pure potassium hydroxide forms
> >white, deliquescent crystals. For commercial and laboratory use it is
> >usually in the form of white pellets. A strong base, it dissolves
> >readily in water, giving off much heat and forming a strongly
> >alkaline, caustic solution (see acids and bases). It is commonly
> >called caustic potash. It closely resembles sodium hydroxide in its
> >chemical properties and has similar uses, e.g., in making soap, in
> >bleaching, and in manufacturing chemicals, but is less widely used
> >because of its higher cost. It is prepared chiefly by electrolysis of
> >potassium chloride; commercial grades of it sometimes contain the
> >chloride as well as other impurities.

Traditionally made from wood ash (pot+ash). See:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_ashlye.html
Lye from wood ash

I still haven't tried it, I'll do it this winter when we have enough ash.

> >Also, my son and his best friend work at the local university, I asked
> >them what type of equipment they can get their hands on to test the
> >purity of household chemicals. It is my understanding that methanol
> >can also be found in general goods stores if one knows what to look
> >for.

In Canada it's called methyl hydrate and sold as "stove fuel".

>BBQ lighter fluid has no ingredients listing on the side like it
> >should, but I am sure I have read here that it is based on methanol,
> >true or no?  I asked the guys to look for a gas chromagraph at school.
> >Can some of the laboratory types verify this would be a good piece of
> >equipment for the younger generation to learn how to use?

Massive overkill.

> >I have the worst memory for new information so I have digested every
> >message in this group as well as a few other sources in an attempt to
> >memorise terms and processes. Unfortunately, as the old song or saying
> >goes, I got a job, but it don't pay, thus my means and enthusiasm are
> >constantly struggling for dominance. In other words I desperately need
> >to find cheap or free equipment and chemicals 'and' I need to have
> >alternate sources for as much of the needed stuff so I can better
> >figure this all out while I am in the thinking about it stages of
> >making my own biodiesel.

It doesn't work well that way, or only up to a point. Best to just 
make a start, and as you progress I'm sure you'll find you'll change 
a lot of the plans you're making now. Start making some test batches, 
you can easily scrabble the makings for it together. Start here:
"Where do I start?"
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start

Get some DriGas and Red Devil or equivalent, presume they're pure and 
fresh enough. If you don't get good results then you can investigate 
further and improve your sources of supply. Step by step.

Blenders work, or rig one of these things:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor7.html
Test-batch mini-processor

Best wishes

Keith


> >Please any help which you lab techies can give us about analysing
> >chemicals will be greatly appreciated.
> >Sincerely,
> >Brian Rodgers


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