Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Philip Barnes
These examples are not far from home so I can get some copyright free versions, when there is some daylight. An example of unsuitable for all motor vehicles https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=52.812712,-2.642415&spn=0.003962,0.010364&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=52.812712,-2.642415&panoid=wmYBMLnyBiKjRsNIkNw5

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Philip Barnes
There are lots of Unsuitable for HGV/Motor vehicle signs in this very rural part of the UK. I will see if I can find some photos later, I would just take some on my way home but only see daylight at weekends at this time of year. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 08/01/2014 13:38

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-03 Thread Philip Barnes
Whilst the idea is sound, I am not sure about the name. Is it even a word? As a native English speaker its not a word that would spring to mind when I am looking for a tag. Phil (trigpoint) On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 09:27 +0100, BGNO BGNO wrote: > Hi, > > > I am proposing a new > key: http://wiki.o

Re: [Tagging] How to map holiday flats? New tag "tourism=holiday_flat" or extend existing "tourism=chalet"

2014-01-02 Thread Philip Barnes
Hi Nounours I know its an American, not an English word, but tourism=apartment has 237 uses. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/tourism=apartment I agree flat should be the correct term, but maybe too late to change now. Phil (trigpoint) On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 14:48 +0100, nounours77 wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin

2013-12-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 00:55 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Jonathan wrote: > It's the sort of building that houses the security guards or > gatekeeper. They operate the gates to allow entrance to or > exit from the site. May contain security guar

Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin

2013-12-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2013-12-08 at 19:17 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Btw, how would you call a small structure like this: > https://maps.google.it/maps?q=rom&ll=41.879601,12.496149&spn=0.00167,0.003473&safe=off&hnear=Rom,+Latium&gl=it&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=41.879677,12.496087&panoid=48p0hYYLAJMPzfxFbg_W

Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin

2013-12-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2013-12-08 at 08:51 -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: > It has been a while since I worked in a facility with such a building. But I > recall it being called a "guard shack" or "guard house". Taginfo has only one > guard_shack (and one guard_booth) but does have 100 guardhouse entries. The > few b

Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin

2013-12-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2013-12-08 at 15:28 +, Jonathan wrote: > Hi all, > > Just went to tag a building at the main entrance/exit to an industrial > site and couldn't really find a well used or documented tag. > > It's the sort of building that houses the security guards or > gatekeeper. They operate the

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2013-12-01 at 00:44 +0100, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: > > Am 30.11.2013 um 18:40 schrieb Egil Hjelmeland : > > > contact:webcam= is fine, that tell we have a webcam. Do we really need > > anything more to tell its a webcam? > > > I think contact:webcam is nonsense, you can't contact som

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for cel phone credit selling places?

2013-11-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 11:48 -0500, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: > Thanks for raising this up, Severin. > > > I see a pretty strong similarity to ATM or restaurant with this. The > points being: > * the tag should work as stand-alone and also (ref. > amenity=atm/restaurant) > * as a part of other

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for cel phone credit selling places?

2013-11-25 Thread Philip Barnes
Hi Severin The English word is Mobile Phone, cell phone is American. In the UK most topups are done by a card which is swiped though a machine. Most, if not all supermarkets, convenience stores, garages, newsagents do this. You can also top up at cash points. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my N

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK there is no obligation to use a parallel cycleway, in fact I know if roads with both parallel cycleways and cyclelanes. Cycleways tend to force the cyclist to give way at ever road junction, whereas a cyclist using the road has right of way, and this is obviously preferred by many cyc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 17:50 +0100, fly wrote: > On 10.11.2013 23:28, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > On 3 November 2013 15:58, fly wrote: > >> I wonder if we should not use leisure in general and try to avoid > >> amenity. At least for new tags and tags with low numbers leisure=* > >> should be used.

Re: [Tagging] give way and stop tag for ways

2013-11-05 Thread Philip Barnes
And in the UK, I have only come across priority diamonds in mainland Europe. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 05/11/2013 15:20 Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Balázs Barcsik wrote: So I would prefer to create such tags for priority cases - which can be ass

Re: [Tagging] give way and stop tag for ways

2013-11-05 Thread Philip Barnes
There are lots of cases where routing software uses turn restrictions, it would be next to useless if it relied on oneways alone. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 05/11/2013 13:09 Balázs Barcsik wrote: Do you think that routing/navigation apps are using turn restrictions tags in

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Philip Barnes
I have seen these in Germany, but the only lottery only places I have come accross in the UK are kiosks in shopping centres. I would tag that as shop=lottery. Lottery is the correct english word, I always read lotto as a brand name for particular lotteries. Phil (trigpoint) On Sun, 2013-11-03 a

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2013-11-03 at 13:56 +, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > For the native speakers: is creche the most commonly used term? Is > there a difference between creche and nursery? > My understanding, as a native UK English speaker, is that a nursery is somewhere that a child attends regularly, a pr

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK the are called newsagents, and fit your description pretty well. W H Smith is slightly different, whilst it has news stands and small shops in railway stations and in airports, it also has larger high street shops that are principally book shops, although they will sell newspapers and ma

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
My understanding of a soft play area would not work outdoors, at least not in Northern Europe where it rains. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 23/10/2013 13:22 Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recogni

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream

2013-10-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 22:13 +0200, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Saturday 19 October 2013, Jonathan wrote: > > > > It seems a river is something that has a source and a mouth (either > > where it joins the sea, lake or a larger river). So I would say that > > only streams that have been named "Riv

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-14 Thread Philip Barnes
A short section of pushing a bike along a footpath will often be preferential to only using a route where a bike can be ridden. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 14/10/2013 13:40 Richard Mann wrote: bicycle=no on the entry/exit node should suffice for routing On Mon, Oct 14, 20

Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about "emergency=aed" or "emergency=defibrillator"

2013-10-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:37 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Another question is how to mark (and render) AED's that are locked. > Unless you have the code, > or a crowbar, those might as well be disused: or not present. The only locked one was photographed by me I believe. The instructions say t

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:53 +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > On 10 October 2013 15:28, fly wrote: > > +1 for a separate tag and deprecating bicycle=dismount > > To make the case for this clearer, consider the following. There are > four combinations of access for bicycles and cyclist

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-11 Thread Philip Barnes
I think they count as bicycles, providing the top speed is less than 15mph, about 25kph. Can't see the point myself, slower than my proper bike and don't keep me fit. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 11/10/2013 11:32 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/10/11 Philip B

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-11 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK, mopeds cannot be ridden on cycleways. Moped routing should be as motorcycle but avoid motorways and some of the A55. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 10/10/2013 22:36 Frank Little wrote: Here's an example from the Netherlands: http://www.eemsbode.nl/nieuws/18774/oplos

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Philip Barnes
Can happen where pedestrians and stopping are prohibited, but cycling is allowed. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 09/10/2013 14:55 John F. Eldredge wrote: Georg Feddern wrote: Am 07.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Richard Welty: On 10/7/13 1:08 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: I remember s

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: gambling

2013-10-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 19:50 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2013/10/5 Dan S > > I notice that many users suggest distinguishing between > casinos with > > croupiers, and amusement arcades with just slot machines. > > > IMHO we should distinguish between "real casin

Re: [Tagging] Howto tag a play room

2013-10-01 Thread Philip Barnes
creche maybe. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 01/10/2013 10:58 Дмитрий Киселев wrote: Hi big supermarkets often have a playroom. It's rather simmilar to plyground but with some significant differences. 1) In most cases - Its supervised, so you can leave your child with teacher.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-09-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-09-30 at 11:57 -0700, bredy wrote: > One year of no discussion and now that start the vote many problem. AED is > actual in use in OSM then I don't see problem. > If user don't like this can vote no to proposal. > Its not about voting No, the proposal is a good one. Its about making i

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-09-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-09-30 at 18:59 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 30 September 2013 18:22, fly wrote: > Major problem I find is that using a abbreviation is not the > way we tag > in OSM and it is often misleading. > > > We do use abbreviations for keys/values: for example

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-09-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-09-30 at 18:22 +0200, fly wrote: > Am 29.09.2013 16:27, schrieb bredy: > > The automated_external_defibrillator proposal has now been stable for some > > time. It > > is therefore time to announce the voting on this proposal. > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_featu

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Bridge types)

2013-09-30 Thread Philip Barnes
And canal tunnels, there is usually a towpath through the same tunnel, but we have to map them as separate tunnels, then there are double track railway tunnels. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 30/09/2013 15:42 François Lacombe wrote: 2013/9/30 fly OK, I get your point b

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: gambling

2013-09-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 10:29 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > I would recommend making a clear distinction between the premises and > the activity. Lotteries are rarely carried out in shops, but the > tickets are sold in all manner of establishments with a different > primary purpose. And whether you can

Re: [Tagging] waterfall

2013-09-26 Thread Philip Barnes
In UK english, a series of waterfalls are called falls. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/09/2013 8:42 Volker Schmidt wrote: No, my not was about basic physics, admittedly a bit pedantic: As most waterfalls have a horizontal movement component in addition to the component ca

Re: [Tagging] waterfall

2013-09-25 Thread Philip Barnes
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascata_delle_Marmore Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 25/09/2013 11:04 Yves wrote: Man-made waterfalls ? Pieren a écrit : On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: why do you want to have a decision. We have 8615 waterway=waterfal

Re: [Tagging] How to overcome lack of consensus

2013-09-18 Thread Philip Barnes
Harry Wood is, I believe a Londoner. I am a Midlander, there are certainly cultural differences, regarding shellfish between the two regions. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 18/09/2013 14:15 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/9/18 Philip Barnes Actually I think this provides

Re: [Tagging] How to overcome lack of consensus

2013-09-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 16:41 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > - Should we use shop=betting or shop=bookmaker? > - Should we use shop=fishmonger or shop=seafood? Actually I think this provides an insight into where problems are seen, and damaging mass edits occur, when in reality there is no pr

Re: [Tagging] How to map an household goods store?

2013-09-16 Thread Philip Barnes
basic linens I prefer the term "home" store, personally, but that is just because I like the word better. I feel that "home" is synonymous with housewares. -- Alex On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: 2013/9/16 Philip Barnes On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 05:4

Re: [Tagging] How to map an household goods store?

2013-09-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 05:47 +0200, Stefano Fraccaro wrote: > I have some shops that sell only household goods like dishes, pots, > coffee makers, blenders, oven thermometers, ... > IMHO "shop=supermarket" and "shop=general" are non appropriate. Which > is the correct tag? > I would have thought t

Re: [Tagging] office=kjuilmn ?

2013-08-14 Thread Philip Barnes
it is fairly self explanatory and is in common usage, ngo that means nothing to me. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 13/08/2013 18:07 Volker Schmidt wrote: There is another frequently used value in the same category: office=ngo Want to change that as well? I am unsure how strict

Re: [Tagging] incline default unit ?

2013-08-13 Thread Philip Barnes
% is the value shown on signs, the highest I can remember seeing is 25%, will be on the lookout now. There may still be some older 1:4 (1 in 4) type signs around so maybe a unit is useful. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 12/08/2013 22:13 André Pirard wrote: On 2013-08-12 20:43,

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 11:04 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Another object that comes to my mind is amenity=pub. You will usually > get something to eat in a pub in the UK, but you won't in many German > "amenity=pub" (indeed it might have been a good idea to invent > something dedicated for

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Philip Barnes
If the mapper thinks to look, or is even aware the wiki exists. Plant nursery is not normal, or obvious, usage. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 10/07/2013 15:16 Pieren wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > we need to be careful with nursery, can eas

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Philip Barnes
we need to be careful with nursery, can easily be mixed up with a place you go to buy plants. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 10/07/2013 14:42 fly wrote: Am 10.07.2013 15:07, schrieb alyssa wright: > On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> 2013/7/10 fly :

Re: [Tagging] tagging of "sticker"

2013-07-05 Thread Philip Barnes
eelchair in a > narrow spcae > or steps. > And instead she sells stickers to the shop owners and the owners put > up the sticker > somewhere customers can see from outside. > And now, the number of shops and restaurants with this sticker is > about one hundred. > > >

Re: [Tagging] tagging of "sticker"

2013-07-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2013-07-05 at 11:28 +0900, Shu Higashi wrote: > I'd like to propose a tag "sticker" which is already used 103 times > according to taginfo. > This tag can be used in combination with many kind of POIs which has stickers. > I think this tag would be useful for developing thematic maps in > c

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of "local" produce

2013-07-03 Thread Philip Barnes
I am not sure shop is right in this case, a farm shop is usually a more permanent building, these are more stalls or even the word you used originally, stand. There are many places like this on the UK, mainly selling eggs from smallholdings, but selling seasonal produce too. Most have an honest

Re: [Tagging] gross weight - conclusions & changes

2013-07-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-07-01 at 13:59 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > The UK Government seem to think an HGV starts at 3.5t GVW, not 7.5t. > By those standards, hgv=no is not a correct transposition of the sign > with a lorry+weight(7.5t) symbol. Nor is maxweight=7.5 (I think) > because it only applies to goods

Re: [Tagging] gross weight - conclusions & changes

2013-07-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-07-01 at 13:03 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > 7.5t gross weight or actual loaded weight? Does this include trailers? > It is gross weight, a vehicle with a gross weight of more than 7.5t being regarded as a HGV. Phil (trigpoint) __

Re: [Tagging] gross weight - conclusions & changes

2013-07-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-06-29 at 20:04 +, Kytömaa Lauri wrote: > > > needed e.g. in Finland) or of > >a single vehicle (needed in > >most of the vienna convention > > countries) > > By far the most common sign is - even here - of the "vehicle laden > weight" variant. Only the "max gross weight of a ve

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 21:02 +0200, fly wrote: > On 25.06.2013 20:43, martinq wrote: > >>> There is no (common) restriction that limits the actual weight of > >>> truck+trailer, thus it makes no sense to define maxweight as limit for > >>> the complete train. > >> ... > >> this one is for gross weig

Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers

2013-06-21 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK they are usually trailers. There are also mobile fish and chip vans which move around. They tend to stop in the same place at the same time each week, and regulars wait for them to arrive. During an evening they will go to several places. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9

Re: [Tagging] Last call for comments on Proposed features/childcare2.0

2013-06-20 Thread Philip Barnes
Some also provide school holiday care for school age children. How about holiday_club = yes/no max_age= Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 20/06/2013 5:23 def onion wrote: Hi Andreas, thank you for your comment.The cenario that you describe can be modelled with the tags i prop

Re: [Tagging] Through_route next steps

2013-06-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 19:23 +0200, Johan C wrote: > For my Garmin both B5065 examples are routed correct by Mapsource. If > the OSRM heuristics are wrong, than OSRM should get a ticket to make > its engine better. That is just one of many examples, does this one work? http://osrm.at/3Is http://g

Re: [Tagging] Through_route next steps

2013-06-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 16:45 +0100, News wrote: > > > > You are correct, we are talking about unclassified and tertiary roads. > > Although this problem also occurs on secondary, primary and trunk roads, > > a classification is a measure of importance and not always quality. But > > where did the tu

Re: [Tagging] Through_route next steps

2013-06-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 16:50 +0100, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 18/06/2013 16:45, News wrote: > > > >> > >> You are correct, we are talking about unclassified and tertiary roads. > >> Although this problem also occurs on secondary, primary and trunk roads, > >> a classification is a measure of importanc

Re: [Tagging] Through_route next steps

2013-06-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 17:35 +0200, fly wrote: > On 16.06.2013 22:50, Rob Nickerson wrote: > >>@Rob: > >>Did you ever try to describe the junction with the Lane and Road > >>Attributes? > > > > No, I didn't. And as I've been busy with organising SOTM I didn't even > > fully read the tag proposal (h

Re: [Tagging] New Proposal

2013-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 18:20 +0200, Georg Feddern wrote: > Am 01.05.2013 12:53, schrieb Philip Barnes: > > > The slip roads are straight ahead, whilst the through route curves > > to the right. The tag is need to tell the router that straight ahead > > is not stay on the

Re: [Tagging] New Proposal

2013-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
The slip roads are straight ahead, whilst the through route curves to the right. The tag is need to tell the router that straight ahead is not stay on the same road. Hope that explains it. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 01/05/2013 11:00 Dave F. wrote: On 29/04/2013 18:59, News

Re: [Tagging] New Proposal

2013-04-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 18:59 +0100, News wrote: > I have created a proposal for a new tagging scheme at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/through_route > > Please review and comment as necessary. As this is the first proposal > I've created please forgive me if I've jumped th

Re: [Tagging] railway=abandoned + highway=cycleway

2013-04-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2013-04-18 at 17:49 +0100, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > On 18/04/2013 16:22, Steve Bennett wrote: > > Disadvantages > > - tag clashes, particularly "name=" - is this the name of the bike path, > > or of the former train line? > > The bike path, as per "On The Ground". The path is a *former* r

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Philip Barnes
Just a thought. Is the word tram widely understood in the US? That could be a reason, the closest to street car found is light rail maybe. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 14/04/2013 14:02 Rovastar wrote: Now I started looking at trams and lightrail I see more of a need of consist

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 21:31 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Philip Barnes wrote: > A junction with stop sign will take longer to accomplish as > the presence > of the stop sign indicates reduced visibility. > > > Except i

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2013-03-15 at 11:53 +0100, Simone Saviolo wrote: > 2013/3/15 Pieren > > It is for navigation. Imagine a corner right before an > intersection: the > > navigator would warn you that you'll have to give way or to > stop, and you'll > > prepare the cor

Re: [Tagging] Proposed relation give_way

2013-03-14 Thread Philip Barnes
A good idea. Just thought I should mention the relation through_route, which is related to this, where the main road though a junction so that routers can give correct turn instructions, although none I know of support this. Often the through route is not the straight ahead, so a turn is often i

Re: [Tagging] fire_hydrant extensions proposal

2013-03-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-03-09 at 14:07 -0500, Richard Welty wrote: > i've started drafting a proposal for some tags to extend the > fire_hydrant tagging system. > i have a question for the non-US mappers... In the UK, fire hydrants are not the prominent feature they are in the US and Canada. Here they are m

Re: [Tagging] source:maxspeed vs. maxspeed:type

2013-02-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 17:38 +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > Recently the use of the key maxspeed:type was documented in the wiki > (see [1] and [2]). It seems to be used in the UK for the same purpose > as source:maxspeed. I quote: "In the UK the general practice is to use > the maxspeed:ty

Re: [Tagging] tower vs mast vs antenna

2013-02-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-02-16 at 22:22 +, Chris Hill wrote: > On 16/02/13 20:28, John F. Eldredge wrote: > > Deanna Earley wrote: > > > >> On 07/02/2013 09:49, o...@raggedred.net wrote: > >>> A tower, to this Brit, can be confused with the stone or brick thing > >>> on the end of a church or castle > >>

Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways

2013-02-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 14:35 +, Craig Wallace wrote: > On 09/02/2013 12:54, Philip Barnes wrote: > > On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 23:25 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > >> > >> Err, that's what the signs are for... :) > > There are plenty of places where it is pos

Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways

2013-02-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 23:25 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > I have had a quick look around Melbourne's motorway entrances on > > streetview and all I have looked at have a sign like this > > http://goo.gl/maps/0hC

Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways

2013-02-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 18:15 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Dave F. wrote: > > Around my area in the UK a user is presently adding bicycle=no to all > > motorways. There was a discussion a while back whether it that tag was > > implied for motorways. If I remember, i

Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways

2013-02-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 01:41 +, Dave F. wrote: > Hi > > Around my area in the UK a user is presently adding bicycle=no to all > motorways. There was a discussion a while back whether it that tag was > implied for motorways. If I remember, it was claimed there were some > places (not UK) tha

Re: [Tagging] tower vs mast vs antenna

2013-02-07 Thread Philip Barnes
I think that a tower has some means, such as stairs to climb it, so that covers things like the eiffel tower, I would also include a fire station tower in this, many are steel girder structures, but have stairs. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 07/02/2013 10:56 ael wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 20

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Philip Barnes
?feat=directlink 2013/2/6 Philip Barnes : > Are they not stables? Am not sure about amenity, that implies public use. > > I would suggest building = stable. > > > > Phil > > -- > > > > Sent from my Nokia N9 > > > > > On 06/02/2013 7:03 Martin Vonwald

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-06 Thread Philip Barnes
Are they not stables? Am not sure about amenity, that implies public use. I would suggest building = stable. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/02/2013 7:03 Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: Hi, Are there any arguments against using amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter for field shel

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-01-31 Thread Philip Barnes
+1 Not splitting the way for every bridge will make tagging a lot easier. Often when things such as speed limits on long sections of road, bridges get missed and then often the cause of extra routing instructions if a reference tag is missing. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 3

Re: [Tagging] wiki building=hangar

2013-01-23 Thread Philip Barnes
In English I would tend to go for the "if it looks like a hanger, then tag it as a hanger". Even if now in use as a warehouse. It provides some historic information and information as to what a map user will actually see. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 23/01/2013 8:46 Martin V

Re: [Tagging] Dispute concerning shrimp pond dikes

2013-01-22 Thread Philip Barnes
What OS are you running? A fellow UK mapper was recently unable to revert using windows, however the reversion worked for me running on fedora linux. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 22/01/2013 13:35 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: On 2013-01-22 13:37, doug brown wrote : Thanks all for th

Re: [Tagging] wiki building=hangar

2013-01-20 Thread Philip Barnes
Aeroway is not intuitive, whilst I understand it I would not use it. Building = hangar makes more sense to me. A hanger is a building for storing aircraft but many are in use long after the airfield has gone. Their shape makes them identifiable as hangars. Maybe a historic tag should be in there

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-15 Thread Philip Barnes
Not my mapping, just somewhere I've been walking and thought wonder if it had been mapped. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 15/01/2013 16:06 François Lacombe wrote: Nice example Phil, thanks a lot. My tagging scheme works great with it : power=line + locaion=underground :) 2013/1/15 A.Pi

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-15 Thread Philip Barnes
This may help http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164648452. Power lines in this case pass through an old railway tunnel. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 15/01/2013 14:31 François Lacombe wrote: Of course I agree with you, Volker. But "aerial line" refers to all the conduc

Re: [Tagging] Multiple purposes for buildings

2013-01-02 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK many premiere inns are converted office buildings. How does one go about mapping a row of terraced houses, where a single building will contain 20 our so houses, often with a corner shop at the end? I would have drawn each house to maintain numbering, is that the correct way? Phil --

Re: [Tagging] Key: turn

2012-12-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-12-26 at 12:57 +0100, Johan C wrote: > The key:turn has values for slight_left/right and sharp left/right. > There are no signs associated to these four values. I also couldn't > find any corresponding signs on this page: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_European_road_signs

Re: [Tagging] How to solve the problem with relation overload?

2012-11-30 Thread Philip Barnes
Does anyone else find that editing ways with relations slows potlatch to a crawl? I find that there is a long delay when ever I do anything to them? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 30/11/2012 10:02 Richard Mann wrote: Try using Potlatch On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Martin Vonwald wr

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
e discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horseriders. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012 13:50 Craig Wallace wrote: On 26/11/2012 11:25, Philip Barnes wrote: > I think that is very country specific, not something that can be > tagged worldwide. > &

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Government sounds good to me. It works for either local or national government. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012 12:40 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/11/26 Philip Barnes : > In the UK public schools are expensive fee paying private schools, such as > Eaton, Harrow etc.

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK public schools are expensive fee paying private schools, such as Eaton, Harrow etc. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012 12:24 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/11/26 Philip Barnes : > Have we an alternative? Could you expand on what is the problem with "public&qu

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Have we an alternative? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012 12:19 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/11/26 John F. Eldredge : > Philip Barnes wrote: >> I would avoid public, when tagging schools as it had very different >> meanings on each side of the Atlantic. >

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I think that is very country specific, not something that can be tagged worldwide. In the UK, beyond speed limits, there are no rule differences between urban and rural roads. However you have me curious, how do you see the rules as different? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012 10

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I would avoid public, when tagging schools as it had very different meanings on each side of the Atlantic. I would suggest state and private. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 25/11/2012 23:58 Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Is this information something that should be placed in a geodatabase l

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 12:14 -0600, John F. Eldredge wrote: > In the USA, all-way stop signs are used at intersections where all of > the roads in question have equal priority, and the expected traffic > volume is small enough that you won't have a large backlog of traffic > waiting to go through.

Re: [Tagging] Differences between crop and produce?

2012-11-19 Thread Philip Barnes
Maize is a rarely used word in British English these days, you see corn on the cob sold in supermarkets, not maize. The only place you see the word maize used is for maize mazes, because it sounds good. For once I would go with the American corn here. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 19/11

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 21:26 +0100, Colin Smale wrote: > Phil, there's a difference between routing calculation (which neither > knows nor cares about road names, numbers, signposts etc) and how the > result of the calculation is presented to the user. Then you need to > relate the nodes/edges in

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 20:20 +0100, malenki wrote: > > What is the use of tagging some examples where one road connects to > when there is a system-inherent focus on finding such connections > automagically (this one is called "Routing")? > > I'd like to have examples, please I found this one by

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 19:08 +0100, Johan C wrote: > On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction > you can find the following description on the exit_to tag. > 'exit_to=* should be used to detail the destinations where the > junction exits to—for example, if signage states

Re: [Tagging] Fuel, additional tags

2012-11-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 20:00 +, Malcolm Herring wrote: > On 12/11/2012 19:27, Jo wrote: > > The dye added is not the common denominator. We need the British term > > for the tax break status of it. > > Two common terms in use are: "marked diesel" and "agricultural diesel". > In the UK its usual

Re: [Tagging] waste_disposal, recycling etc.

2012-11-07 Thread Philip Barnes
I would prefer to see non-recyclable, or landfill rather than trash. Trash is American, not English and I, and I'm sure many others cannot hear or read it without visions of the ending of the Waltons. Goodnight Mary Ellen Goodnight Jim Bob John Boy take out the trash. Phil Sent from my Nokia N9

Re: [Tagging] Exclusive access rights

2012-10-31 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 18:56 +0100, Johan C wrote: > I don't think I understand both responses (Georg/Martin). Why should a > hgv and a psv use 'a kind of' motor_vehicle? According to the map > features motor_vehicle is used for: 'Access permission for motor cars > and motorcycles.' > > A bus or

Re: [Tagging] Photo needed: Bus/PSV lane with time restriction

2012-10-31 Thread Philip Barnes
Have not got one, but will be able to take some on Friday. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 31/10/2012 9:50 Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! For the wiki I'm looking for a signpost that dedicates a lane to PSVs/buses at some specific time, i.e. a lane can be used by general traffic except from x

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Obstacle

2012-10-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 11:59 +, John Sturdy wrote: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > There is already a specification, to whom it is an obstacle > > (obstacle:car, ...) maybe we could have an additional > > obstacle:waterway for all waterbased transport (or

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