Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-07 Thread John Willis
That's true - this is a specific pool, and would be an amenity offered, usually to the public next to the sidewalk out front ( usually anyone walking by can stick them in) not an overall feature - like a drinking fountain. Sometimes they are inside, in a common waiting area, so if you decide

Re: [Tagging] leisure=events

2014-03-09 Thread John Willis
This ties into my idea for landuse=civic. There is no way to designate the land use for city buildings, etc, except for narrowly defined ones, such as schools. There are courthouses, community centers, public performance venues, and other areas where the buildings have specific tags, but there

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-14 Thread John Willis
Since OSM uses British English, what word would you pair with road, as in dirt road? Earthen road? Inquiring minds want to know. J Sent from my iPad On Mar 14, 2014, at 10:18 PM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:09 PM, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

2014-03-22 Thread John Willis
Here in Japan, because of the imports - mostly German or vintage - most toll plazas have a left hand drive spot ticket taking and toll collection. I was so surprised to see pics of kei cars in the US. This explains it. As a driver of a kei in Japan, I certainly wouldn't drive it in California,

[Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

2014-05-15 Thread John Willis
I have mapped some complicated intersections using links to represent turn lanes and other options in very large intersections. The links are connected exactly where they would logically connect one road to the other for each direction. Recently, I have been using Apple's turn by turn

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

2014-05-15 Thread John Willis
Oops, forgot the link. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=36.40776mlon=139.32700#map=19/36.40776/139.32700 Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2014, at 6:14 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: I have mapped some complicated intersections using links to represent turn lanes and other options

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

2014-05-15 Thread John Willis
If you want to map lanes you should use another tag. Is there a suggestion for a tag that would be appropriate, or is that a thing lost in proposal purgatory? I am not representing individual lanes, but choices (aka, the two through lanes are a single way).

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

2014-05-15 Thread John Willis
there is more than I realize. I will try to undo my incorrect edits. J Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2014, at 10:55 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 15.05.2014 11:18, schrieb John Willis: Oops, forgot the link. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=36.40776mlon=139.32700#map=19

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-16 Thread John Willis
Mixed use facilities run by a single organization, for example, a temple with a private home, a cemetery, a public recycling center, and a pre-school might have the outer area defined by the landuse=religious tag, and the individual buildings/areas tagged as needed. Really, that facility is

Re: [Tagging] city/settlement importance -- WAS [OSM-talk] The biggest violation of OpenStreetMap, ever.

2014-07-16 Thread John Willis
institutions in charge of determining these figures What about things that are well known in a country? The one hundred mountains ofJapan is a common list known to residents, and the three famous mountains of gunma are also labeled and known by the prefecture where I am (which means several

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-16 Thread John Willis
the kitchens in Disneyland - they are part of Disneyland, but a patron would never expect to enter - but they are undeniably part of Disneyland Javbw Sent from Japan On Jul 17, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 16/lug/2014 um 14:42 schrieb John Willis

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-20 Thread John Willis
So what about the rest - the landuse for the area - is my basic understanding remiss? Am I misinterpreting a basic tenent of OSM with my statement on area defined by landuse and buildings and amenities over it? Even if you disagree on landuse=religion, is that how the others work? Thanks for

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-25 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-07-25 3:33 GMT+02:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: But for a majority of the buildings I'm mapping here in rural/suburban Japan, there isn't as much mixed use or repurposed use as you would

Re: [Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-27 Thread John Willis
How do you map a building's land w/o a landuse area then? Most every building has some kind of space around it beyond its foundation, especially if it is designed for car traffic over foot traffic - parking lots, etc. Javbw On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] The not-shops: industrial, industry, or business

2014-09-12 Thread John Willis
Yea, there needs to be a better framework for adding shops that are not in the system is a manner that is consistent, and possibly can work with -carto to have icons added by users without so much hassle. Here in japan, they have several different types of fast food, quick restaurants, and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-21 Thread John Willis
It should be pretty trivial to have the area share nodes with the highway ways where the signals would normally be mapped. Like drawing a square around a tic-tac-toe board, but the shared nodes are only on one side at a time. Also, I think It could also share nodes with the walkways and other

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread John Willis
The name tag can be whatever it is, but making a amenity=soapland might be what you are looking for. That way there is no confusion with massage places and clearly understood to be for adult services. Javbw. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Mishari Muqbil

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-07 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPad On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-07 14:57 GMT+02:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: For example, I'm a foreign resident in Japan. I have to visit the regional offices to renew my visa every year or so. It's always a busy

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person

2014-10-14 Thread John Willis
On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should have notability, like Wikipedia. Every time I mention importance or similar, everyone gets in a huff, as they think that it will start an edit war or something. We trust mappers to do everything, and make

Re: [Tagging] Problem with rendering natural=saddle

2014-10-14 Thread John Willis
Since the mapper of the saddle knows the direction, why can't the saddle have a directional icon rendered if it is on a way that represents the passable section of the saddle, following the ridgeline? Simple and effective. I'm sure the mapper understands the direction of the saddle quite

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread John Willis
On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: Your description of a mall as an enclosed place makes sense to me, but where I live they seem to call anything a “mall”. Here is the Watchung Square Mall”: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258702838 and the “Valley

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread John Willis
for a bank, florist, coffee shop,, dry cleaner, or a donut shop. But 3 little stores doesn't make it a mall. A mall is a big, special place. Javbw On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:22 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote

Re: [Tagging] How to tag severely destroyed forest track?

2014-10-27 Thread John Willis
I was tagging tracks in the desert, and ran across some similar issues. Some of the tracks are abandoned because they were no longer needed/ wanted (officially) in a wilderness park, or heavily damaged or unmantainable because of the road's position in a ravine. But people who want to use the

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-06 Thread John Willis
That is an interesting question. I think that falls outside the goal of this tag but I am unsure. In America, Amtrak is nationalized, but I think most of their facilities would fall under transportation related things - railway stations, etc. but their main office, which is not a train station,

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-11-18 Thread John Willis
On Nov 18, 2014, at 9:50 PM, François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com wrote: How would you tag a mail relay box differently ? Such relay boxes are key-part of national postal infrastructure. I thought it fit well enough, so I voted yes. I also saw a solution to my cabinet problem as

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-29 Thread John Willis
Interesting! Those are huge cycle ways! Here in japan, they designate small service roads normally blocked with bollards as cycle ways, as the distances covered between the intersecting roads are very long (1-2km sometimes) and sometimes more direct than the road system - but nothing more a

Re: [Tagging] Moveable objects tagged as building=*

2014-12-16 Thread John Willis
Semi temporary buildings are usually called portables. Schools I have been to in the US will have them in place for several years, though they lack a foundation and can be moved away whole or in sections as a truck trailer - similar to a mobile home. Although the method is not similar, the

Re: [Tagging] oneway=no spams

2014-12-29 Thread John Willis
On Dec 29, 2014, at 3:20 AM, Andy Street a...@street.me.uk wrote: I notice a quicky increasing number of oneway=no tags on roads, probably due to editors offering some flashy list box for the oneway key. If you mistakenly check the one way box on a road preset in iD, unchecking the box

Re: [Tagging] Accuracy of survey

2014-12-31 Thread John Willis
It was over 5 meters in some places along the coast, but only a very small part. Under the ocean, it was 25m. Most of japan stayed put, but the northern section along the coast was stretched a bit wider, but the coast sank about 1m, so with coastal flooding, japan didn't get that much bigger.

Re: [Tagging] Ford and other river crossing : (was : waterway=wadi problem)

2015-01-24 Thread John Willis
Is a bridge in flood usable? I think not. This discussion is about rare, special bridges that are used for such a purpose. They are usually in places that flood where emergency access is still required, or they are the only means of accessing an otherwise inaccessible area. Normally, when

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-02 Thread John Willis
On Feb 2, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:16 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Speaking of cisterns, Does this notion of cistern are reservoirs cover fire cisterns? I think in this case you could use emergency=water_tank [1

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-02-06 Thread John Willis
Reception is used for tourists, but also is common for any large office complex or even a industrial plant. People visiting the plant (for work related activities) would go to reception, check in, and get a visitors badge. I think there is a difference between a person on vacation and a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - temperature

2015-02-06 Thread John Willis
If we're going to have a temperature key - there should be some qualitative values in human understandable ranges. Yes, they are subjective. Cool/ cold / frozen / danger-cold Warm / hot / boiling / danger-hot Mild (human range comfortable, both hot and cold) This allows tagging for objects /

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-16 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2015, at 10:54 PM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: That's not a flaw - you've already given the solution in your own email: Basically you want to label restaurants/shops only if they offer something different from what's the typical local fare.

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-14 Thread John Willis
On Jan 15, 2015, at 2:00 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: In my experience a wadi will go from completely dried up waterway or small stream to a raging river within a few seconds after some rainfall upstream, and back to its

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-17 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: If the facility is a stand-alone facility whose primary purpose is not as a place to worship - but merely operated by a religious entity - such as a school, hospital, etc, then it is tagged as it

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-17 Thread John Willis
The only thing I got from your talk was that you don't like manmade landuses, or every facility you have ever mapped is a single use, single purpose shop, always separated from the other - never in a shared space that is named something differently. If you have one named facility - a shopping

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-17 Thread John Willis
/02/2015 11:07 AM, John Willis wrote: Religious landuse is not about saying that the ground is religious, any more than saying landuse=retail is land that is for sale - it is for the land dedicated to a facility where people worship - just as retail is where people sell

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-17 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2015, at 9:50 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Right- per the wiki: with few exceptions. The religious object is the ground. But that really applies to the other Correction : rarely Millions of religious facilities with a building and a space

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-18 Thread John Willis
I added a clarification to the limitations section, as after rereading the comments and the wiki page trying to understand Andreas' position, and realized that there was no talk of exceptions when the school or other small facility was considered as an amenity to the main religious complex. I

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-16 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-02-16 14:20 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com: So far I have not experienced a problem with adding religion and denomination tags to features operated by a religious community

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-17 Thread John Willis
Please read the wiki page, especially the section on limitations. If the facility is a stand-alone facility whose primary purpose is not as a place to worship - but merely operated by a religious entity - such as a school, hospital, etc, then it is tagged as it currently is. If the

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-19 Thread John Willis
There are some super famous ones in Japan in hat appear in the same field every year - I imagine there is some seasonal tag system to tag when it appears. There is also a yearly field used for making a giant pice of art. I wonder if artwork + a time or seasonal tag would work, as it appears

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-15 Thread John Willis
Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard. I can think of several large church complexes in California - a massive Mormon temple, a Presbyterian church ground a with a small preschool, a couple Catholic Churches, a Jehovah's Witness hall, a big mega-church hall, a cult-like church

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-16 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-02-15 13:44 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com: Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard. I agree that a churchyard could have a dedicated tag like amenity

Re: [Tagging] RFC aerialway=zip line

2015-02-18 Thread John Willis
On Feb 18, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 17.02.2015 um 21:52 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Deciding between the two would be always arbitrary I'd not expect practical problems (inside a playground vs not), and

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-17 Thread John Willis
inside the larger landuse. I gave an example as to why that is the case. Please let me know if that clarifies the landuse sufficiently. PS I want to use the same exact line of reasoning For landuse=civic (civic_admin, civic_service). Javbw On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:51 AM, John Willis jo

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-01 Thread John Willis
Speaking of cisterns, Does this notion of cistern are reservoirs cover fire cisterns? In most urban and suburban areas of Japan, there are underground hydrants, but there are a lot of fire cisterns as well out here in rural Japan. The fire trucks carry a snorkel. I assume this is an old

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-05 Thread John Willis
I thought tat was a feature, to actually deprecate the landuse from the buildings, so we don't have the similar issue again of a building and area rendered the same. If -carto rendered landuse=religious, then the POW would be tagged on buildings, sitting on the landuse with hopefully a

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-09 Thread John Willis
00:17, John Willis wrote: Similarly, animal sacrifice and practicing voodoo at the airport's prayer room might get you arrested. Not even poodles? :) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-January/020847.html Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-09 Thread John Willis
multi fits the sports tagging scheme well, and I think it is best for the religion tag too. Allis not good, as most sports places don have a clay sumo ring or a sandy pit for beach volleyball set up, so all would be wrong. Similarly, animal sacrifice and practicing voodoo at the airport's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC: Reverse Vending Machine

2015-01-11 Thread John Willis
Would this be appropriate for the automated recycle centers that weigh recyclables and gave you credit? It is basically a dumpster with a scale and a terminal, but you leave behind cardboard, paper, etc for recycling. It's usually very limited in what they accept. Or is this thing just an

Re: [Tagging] barrier=net ?

2015-01-06 Thread John Willis
I think there is a big difference between a 5 story tall net (held up by massive poles) and a fence. If it was a 5 story tall fence or wall, we'd call it a building or a dam or something. These giant nets usually found near ballsports need their own tag - or maybe a new value of fence=net or

Re: [Tagging] barrier=net ?

2015-01-06 Thread John Willis
Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: On 07.01.2015 02:43, John Willis wrote: I think there is a big difference between a 5 story tall net (held up by massive poles) and a fence. If it was a 5 story tall fence or wall, we'd call it a building or a dam or something. I would call it a fence

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-03 Thread John Willis
On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Since when do we use ways for landuse=* ? Also I have not found a single one that is tagged like you say. They are all areas. I think he means closed way = area, as landuse implies area=yes . Javbw Why

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-20 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-02-20 13:42 GMT+01:00 Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com: So it would become: shop=vehicle_storage covered=yes motorcar=yes caravan=yes I wouldn't use the shop key but

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-14 Thread John Willis
On Mar 15, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/03/2015 10:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 14.03.2015 um 05:41 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: and mapping them for other Trekkers would be useful only if they are not confused at all with all

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-18 Thread John Willis
I agree with Martin on not changing the definition of tags where public access, or a subset of the public (customers) is inherent in the tags definition through tag modifiers. But everyone is envisioning a future where information about private facilities would eventually become part of OSM -

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-15 Thread John Willis
is decided. Javbw On Mar 15, 2015, at 8:46 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe) lis...@letuffe.org wrote: dieterdreist wrote Am 14.03.2015 um 05:41 schrieb John Willis lt; johnw@ gt;: and mapping them for other Trekkers would be useful only if they are not confused at all with all of the other, more

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-17 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: AKA military installations in certain countries I would happily map military installation in Russia/North Korea/Iran/USA/whatever - it is not illegal for me. Maybe they can make laws making it

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-17 Thread John Willis
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/272142911/history ps - that is a work yard next to a substation. And I have driven to work yards to repair computers, and I would sure like to know where the driveway is. The actual driveway in the substation is not mapped, though the gates to enter are

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-17 Thread John Willis
Ahh. That makes more sense. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Javbw On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:57 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: so the driveways are bad, but the powerlines are good? I was referring to the

Re: [Tagging] Regional stylesheets for osm-carto (Was: rendering of local power lines)

2015-03-17 Thread John Willis
On Mar 17, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: That said, I wonder what Andy's opposition to rendering the colour tag on the Transport layer is... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-20 Thread John Willis
sells more than one ( like my Japanese gas station that also sells kerosene?) Javbw On Mar 20, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: On 20.03.2015 11:44, John Willis wrote: As long as distribution is non-traditional, a shop selling fuel oil and cordwood

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-19 Thread John Willis
Maybe amenity=fuel_stand? Then we can tag it onto existing shops (like a DIY store) or micromap it onto gas stations. As long as distribution is non-traditional, a shop selling fuel oil and cordwood for heating is fine with me (I have to read up on fuel= tagging ) I know there are shops and

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-20 Thread John Willis
61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/03/2015 6:20 PM, John Willis wrote: I haven't had a chance to read up on how to define the fuel type. I imagine there is various heating oils, propane and kerosene, LNG, coal, wood, different grades of gas, diesel, aviation fuel, jet fuel, etc - even

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for an event space / function hall?

2015-03-09 Thread John Willis
That's true about referring to a website rather than OSM - but couldn't OSM, particularly in larger venues, at least show the rental spaces when searched? If properly tagged, then all the different event venues in your area would come up, which would be much better than trying to go site by

Re: [Tagging] Proposed: landuse=civic_admin - looking for comments.

2015-03-10 Thread John Willis
On Mar 9, 2015, at 8:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-09 6:55 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: current draft definition: A new landuse=* value for civil government buildings complexes where citizens or services for citizens are managed. This includes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-03-07 Thread John Willis
You have visitor reception at all gates? Visitor badging and everything? I assume there is security there letting people in (gate) but are there 3 areas for a person to be badged and wait for their visitee to come down and pick them up? 3 places to sign up for the tour of the facility? 3

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-03-07 Thread John Willis
Is it possible to put that in operator or official_name, or is the name assumed because the point is inside the landuse? Javbw Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Andreas Goss

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-13 Thread John Willis
I think a nice, scenic spot with a creek and some trees to block the wind 25km from the nearest parking lot in the middle of 4000m mountains a visible only on foot or by donkey is very different than a turnout on the side of the road, or a spot inside a large camping complex made around a car

Re: [Tagging] Toll enforcement devices

2015-03-14 Thread John Willis
If the cameras are only used for toll enforcement, then that sounds good. Highway=speed camera exists, and is for nodes. It should also be for lines, as there are usually many perched on an overhead support over the road, and micromapping might wish to draw them across the road. Seems this is

Re: [Tagging] Survey points

2015-03-11 Thread John Willis
A survey point is those brass markers in the ground - an official X in the ground of some kind. I assume a tower on a distant mountain is a survey_reference_object or similar. It certainly isn't a point. Javbw On Mar 11, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com

Re: [Tagging] Regional stylesheets for osm-carto (Was: rendering of local power lines)

2015-03-12 Thread John Willis
On Mar 12, 2015, at 6:56 PM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: The standard map has an impossible job - trying to be a nice map This is true, and thanks for linking to the resources to set up the server for a special version. However, what I would like to see implemented, I

Re: [Tagging] Proposed: landuse=civic_admin - looking for comments.

2015-03-05 Thread John Willis
of the mandates of the offices in the buildings - those can be defined by new amenity= or civic= or similar tags on the buildings or points themselves. On Mar 5, 2015, at 11:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-05 14:35 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com: On Mar

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-24 Thread John Willis
If it is a place to buy 50l of petrol with a credit card, and 200 people can use it a day, it's a Normal gas station. If you hand the card to a clerk or pay at the pump (almost every single gas station in America, and more and more in Japan) - it's still a gas station. I don't think people

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-25 Thread John Willis
Jan, I looked at the link to your home page in the email - wow! It looks like you've been all over Africa in that special truck. If the other taggers haven't looked, check out the link in his email signature. I feel that you know what you are talking about - if you think there needs to be a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-29 Thread John Willis
Those are access=private + operator=[bsa or council, sponsor group] You can also put a brand tag on it maybe brand=Boy Scouts of _. It isn't a chain, and is affiliated loosely through the national group, but operated by local groups. My private Buddhist school has a little facility up in

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-30 Thread John Willis
People don't drive to camp David in a minivan with a tent and some marshmallows, go hiking in groups and tell stories around a camp fire. None of the other camps you listed were recreation camps. Boy Scout camps are. Seems straight forward to me. Javbw On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:14 PM,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-30 Thread John Willis
: 2015-03-30 13:20 GMT+02:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com: Boy Scout camps are. Seems straight forward to me. well, you can't drive in a minivan there, set up your tent and sit around their camp fire to tell them a story, you only could if you were a boy scout of their group. Cheers

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-30 Thread John Willis
The 4 scout camps I have been to have tents set up in groups in clearings under trees for visiting campers. The only permanent building is the dining hall. That's what burned down at hual-cu-cuish. maybe a new camp type is needed for these others- dormitory School camps I have been to

Re: [Tagging] RFC - proposal page for camp_site=

2015-03-30 Thread John Willis
On Mar 30, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Some things might make sense to be seen as attributes on the camp_site, e.g. whether there is power available, while others like the presence of a restaurant or a shop should be better mapped as objects on

Re: [Tagging] recommend tagging of volcanos as ways rather than nodes

2015-03-30 Thread John Willis
bry...@obviously.com wrote: John Willis There is no way to say this is a minor hill. - I'm not talking about mountaineering definitions and sub-peak prominence, but just that rendering order and priority in OSM/carto has no method for saying this is a tiny but named hill 25m tall in a city

Re: [Tagging] recommend tagging of volcanos as ways rather than nodes

2015-03-31 Thread John Willis
understand things correctly. And all of this is as I understand it. Maybe some part is incorrect. Javbw. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-31 0:14 GMT+02:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com: while some of them are iconic

Re: [Tagging] tagging very wide steps - highway=steps on an area?

2015-02-27 Thread John Willis
On Feb 27, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-02-27 9:07 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: I read the wiki entry on steps (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dsteps) and the discussion page, and besides the discussion on which

Re: [Tagging] route=foot

2015-03-02 Thread John Willis
On Mar 3, 2015, at 2:15 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Speaking from an American point of view, I tend to think of hiking as a wilderness, or at least rural, activity. In an urban setting, I would likely refer to walking. +1 Hiking is a form of leisure for people - to

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-02 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: 2) new key ... private=* ? thus change these from amenity=toilet to private=toilet ... also provides for other 'private' things being entered ..eg swimming pools .. +1 There are all kinds of

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 Thread John Willis
On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-03 10:31 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: The same can be said for public buildings like the White House, or the halls of congress. typically those places have different kind of toilets,

Re: [Tagging] tagging very wide steps - highway=steps on an area?

2015-02-27 Thread John Willis
On Feb 27, 2015, at 6:29 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: OSM should follow established standards when available Sounds great! It looks like step direction has been bandied about for a while, so maybe we should put it to a vote. Should we make some kind of proposal page? Javbw

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 Thread John Willis
On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com: Now I'm wondering if there is tags for boys girls as well. Off to the wiki... yes, there are already tags for this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] recent change to ranger_station proposal

2015-03-05 Thread John Willis
Is there some kind of vending machine value for hiking / camping/ fishing permits? I would definitely be interested in where permits are sold at a campground or even at a wider view of a whole wilderness park - maybe that is implied in amenity=ranger_station ? That seems like a good

Re: [Tagging] Proposed: landuse=civic_admin - looking for comments.

2015-03-05 Thread John Willis
S On Mar 5, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I have some questions: according to the proposal, This is for complexes who's primary purpose is the citizens interaction with government agents What do you propose for government offices which are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
Me too. restaurant, fast_food, pub, restaurant, ice_cream, beer garden, cafe and bar for example should be shop= not amenity .. for my thinking. +1 shop=storage to me means a shop that sells bags, boxes .. stuff to store things in ... not the space to store stuff in. In America,

Re: [Tagging] Practice pitch?

2015-02-22 Thread John Willis
Here is the location of the batting cage business I started mapping (they have a small cafe inside of the main building) Across the big street is a driving range. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/36.35556/139.04995 Baseball=? brought up the batting cages tag in iD, so I used that. But is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
Storage and long term parking are subtly different - and LTP is definitely a part of parking. AFAIK, long term storage has the assumption that a: you are a traveller in some respect, and the amenity is usually near transportation facilities B: you will come back sometime, once possibly

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. On February 20, 2015 4:34:16 PM John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-02-20 13:42 GMT+01:00 Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2015, at 3:30 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to certain people, such as residents of a particular neighborhood, use access tags as well. It then becomes the responsibility of the renderer to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (traffic signals group)

2015-02-25 Thread John Willis
If group is not a good word, then set is a good alternative. Javbw On Feb 26, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This could be confused with the coordination of traffic signals along a length of road or even a district wide coordination of traffic light signals.

Re: [Tagging] Super-keys are evil

2015-02-24 Thread John Willis
On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The editing tools have a role here, with iD leading the way. With iD one writes the thing, for example a bathroom. The editor matches this to available tags and lets you choose. It even hides the actual tag name

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-30 Thread John Willis
Is there some decision on helping it all in one tag - Btw - isn't it states of matter? Substance:state= solid liquid gas (plasma?) multi would a pneumatic garbage pipe be gas or solid, since it moves solid stuff (and implies pneumatic or such ?) Substance=gas

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