english builders_merchant (modulo apostrophe/single/plural)?
Now is that shop=building_supplies, or amenity=building_supplies? Shop
seems altogether too small.
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On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 08:39:32PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 23 June 2010 20:26, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 June 2010 14:34, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
+1 for building_supplies as a shop. I have seen many shops which sell
construction materials like cement
to
be the same thing.
So while we are on _Merchant, how should timer merchants be tagged?
Would shop=timber-yard be easily understood and useful?
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On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 01:11:50PM +0200, Claudius Henrichs wrote:
Am 24.06.2010 10:42, ael:
So while we are on _Merchant, how should timer merchants be tagged?
Would shop=timber-yard be easily understood and useful?
Didn't it spring to your mind that with those two related tags
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:21:19PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 24 June 2010 21:43, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
Does yard have the wrong connotations in the US?
Residential garden?
That was what I was thinking about. But the context of shop=yard should
be enough to signal
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:47:24PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 24 June 2010 23:14, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
Still, I was hoping for a better word than yard.
What was wrong with Liz's suggestion?
shop and supplies are synonymous? Since every shop supplies
something, we may
my suggestion of yard was meant to capture.
industrial_supplies isn't a natural classification for the places in
the UK, but it is the best suggestion so far. In any case, it does
capture other sorts of outlets, so I think it is a valuable subtag nevertheless.
ael
suggest that we are not dealing with a normal shop.
Can someone come up with a better idea. Please :-)
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On 26 June 2010 08:31, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
Can someone come up with a better idea. Please :-)
You haven't really explained what was so wrong with shop=supplies,
considering it's intended to be only used
|plastics|...
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 08:03:46PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 26 June 2010 19:24, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
What about trade? In uk selling to the trade implies an outlet which
sells to professionals but also does ordinary retail. Admittedly this
tends to be used in advertising
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 07:57:40PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 31 July 2010 19:46, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
I have expanded it a bit to help motivate trade for those who haven't
seen this thread. Surely wood is redundant given timber_yard?
There are specialty places that sell
to the wrong thread,
haven't you? What has this to do with shop, trade and wood?
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to the left) would be the fifth and so on. I'm not
Navit works properly for me in such situations: are you using the latest
version?
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+1
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=Special:Logpage=Proposed_features/shop:bicycle.
Works fine in firefox here: a cache problem, perhaps?
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gentlemen :-)
Seriously, in the UK, I am going to my club would normally be
understood to refer to some such institution, at least among some
sections of the community.
Perhaps also in the US, given Groucho Marx: I don't care to belong to a
club that accepts people like me as members.
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at professionals
as well as retail.
But it might form a template for another more suitable group:
I suppose shop=specialist, specialist = forestry|rat_extermination|...
or whatever.
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. But I do note the comments
on post_and_chain.
Thus I think post_and_chain and cable_barrier are varieties of fence.
The others seem fine.
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think of any other use-case. Apart from a survey
of fountains...
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which is oddly restrictive.
Mapnik doesn't seem to render the above. I used it on a boundary and
would feel more comfortable with a landuse=? in that context.
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entirely satisfactory. landuse=residential is certainly true, but these
caravan parks are rather distinctive, not common, and IMHO need a
distinctive tag. The hamlet tag would only be appropriate in the few
cases when they are away from towns.
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with the American corn here.
I agree with the others from the uk: in my experience maize is widely
used and understood. Except, perhaps, in supermarkets. So -1.
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this be a new thread? But anyway:-
Would this not be a significant complication for standalone satnavs
using, say, navit?
A large proportion of POIs are very relevant in that context, so
presumably a new mechanism for generating maps involving at least two
distinct data bases would be required?
ael
=* (where the verifiability isn't guarenteed).
There is at least one omission: vegetation=noxious :-) Seriously, I have
failed to map footpaths in the UK because of stinging nettles. Of
course, there are far worse vegetable hazards...
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Hmm, it must be a fairly uncommonly used Australian term.
As a uk native speaker, footpad is an old term for
A highwayman or robber on foot.
as at least one dictionary has it. And that is the normal understanding
in the uk.
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a
generator:estimated_output:electricity or some such for wind and solar?
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Do you realize that you are posting in html? Not a good idea if you
expect anyone to read...
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not suggest to add the default unit ?
Well, it is a dimensionless quantity, so it doesn't have units.
What did you really mean?
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glance.
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medical_supplies
pet_supply
pet_supplies
nutrition_supplements
nutrition_supplement
As a native UK-English speaker, the plurals above are normal.
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survey and then
adding multiple plots on a later more detailed survey makes me
uncomfortable.
Just an initial reaction: I haven't given this more than a minute or two
of thought...
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suggests that it will just work. But
it doesn't.
I imagine that with enough persistance and reading many more documents,
it will eventually become clear, but I think a newbie needs to be warned
that mkgmap needs a very large investment in time to understand how to
use it effectively.
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time.
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On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 04:14:33PM +, Jonathan wrote:
Wikipedia suggests a gatehouse as a medieval construction:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatehouse
building=gatehouse has been used 19 times, but in what context I don't know.
+1. Agree that it is might be ambiguous.
parts of the year) and maybe be
rocky with sections of sand and gravel. I have just been mapping some
paths and tracks on Bodmin Moor which have all these characteristics
and no one tag seems really descriptive.
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Have to disagree here. There are plenty of real uses for reversing a
way, and not everyone uses JOSM.
Colin
+1 from someone who does use JOSM.
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the only solution is to source-tag each object. Is there another
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when we have these (general) shop
tags.
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or not? isn't going anywhere and
normal mappers just won't add explicit tags in normal circumstances.
You need a different approach and maybe what I say above can start the
ball rolling.
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(or building=retail?) is surely far better.
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as well.
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using a tag kids_area.
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in the thread subject should actually be kids' areas.
+1
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disposal point was the usual term, though that was many years ago.
I have been wondering if I was the only native UK English speaker
who finds the term dump-station unintuitive and opaque. I also have never
encountered the term in British English.
So +1.
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to everyone everywhere?
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On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 03:27:17PM +0100, Michael Reichert wrote:
Hi ael,
Am 2015-03-09 um 15:22 schrieb ael:
I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major
of which seem to show these bridges).
But they are not going to find all the other OSM based maps without
digging fairly deeply. It is a pity that there isn't a prominent
page in the wiki listing all/many of the other maps. Yes, I know it is a
wiki, so I ought to add it myself...
ael
?
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On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 04:14:58PM +0100, Michael Reichert wrote:
Hi,
Am 2015-03-09 um 16:06 schrieb ael:
Well, I have only changed the tag on the bridges themselves, and only on
ways for which I did the original (and usually any subsequent) survey
and edits. So I am not corrupting other
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 08:50:36AM +1100, Warin wrote:
On 10/03/2015 1:22 AM, ael wrote:
I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major features of relevance
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 11:40:23AM +, ael wrote:
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 11:08:44AM +0100, Friedrich Volkmann wrote:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/register
This is for books where people enter their names, routes and comments. These
books are located on peaks
navigated to them long ago.
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normally quite different.
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trades are protected by law and a trade shop may refuse sales based on
that .. usually safety related.
Yes. That was the sort of thing I meant when I invented shop=trade...
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reduced prices since a business will order
raesonable volume over time. In some cases that may approach wholesale
prices. But this is different to wholesalers to refer back to an
earlier post.
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a building with the name matching
the company as a compromise.
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On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 02:35:28PM -0500, John Eldredge wrote:
Did anyone else see this message as containing only headers, but no message
contents? That is how it rendered on my system.
Same here. Presumably finger trouble?
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ain tags as needed.
Some values of trade might become redundant if a new main tag is
invented, but that is ok.
What am I missing?
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 12:59:28PM +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> On 18 October 2015 at 12:55, ael <law_ence@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > But really it was invented as a way to tag clear groups of places that
> > had no obvious existing tags
>
> Do you have a source
would propose shop=*, access=trade/public although
> the default of public would be assumed if no tag.
Yes, you can have that as well, although using the same trade keyword is
surely a potential source of confusion.
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 12:59:28PM +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> On 18 October 2015 at 12:55, ael <law_ence@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > But really it was invented as a way to tag clear groups of places that
> > had no obvious existing tags
>
> Do you have a source
On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 03:58:23PM +0200, Daniel Koć wrote:
> building_materials
Very likely shop=trade and trade=building_supplies although perhaps
it does not cater for professionals.
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olphins, but I
doubt it.
As for better terms, swimming_pool is widely understood.
swimming_facility is a bit ugly but perhaps. I don't really have any
good suggestions, although something like sports_centre with
a sub-tag swimming=yes seems to capture
reetmap.org/way/294108329>) incidentally have a small
> hardware and paint shop (at radically inflated prices).
Many of those cases are covered by shop=trade:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dtrade
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> Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum
+1
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his doesn't fully capture your particular edge case,
> some sort of _additional_ tag:
>
> social_path=yes
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not in car parks,
so I simply omit any subtag.
So I suggest that the existing sub tags need clear definitions before
more values are defined. If there are to be further sub tags, let them
be defined clearly. I don't think that has been done yet in this thread.
ael
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are typically wider
than normal paths. You see why we need a clear definition? From your
description, I can't see why highway=service with a width tag would not
cover a US alley.
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access possible, even if that is not always the local understanding.
But it needs to be stated on the wiki page if that is agreed.
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> > Il giorno 22 lug 2016, alle ore 14:18, ael <law_ence@ntlworld.com> ha
> > scritto:
> >
> > Well, if you do revive it, it needs to take account of places like
> > Cornwall in
ected" relation of some sort?
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seemed to suggest that was for containers - recycling points
where stuff was left. Which didn't seem to fit.
I used amenity=scrap_yard and scrap-yard=metal until I had something
better. I have just realized that I should really have asked on the
tagging list, so will cc that in.
Thanks for the reply.
ae
or there is a need for more refined
tagging.
This fits with my previous comment that recycling_type=business feels
like a better fit. "centre" does suggest somewhere open as a public
facility.
Both scrap yards near me are in old quarries and not n
On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 08:11:04AM +1000, Warin wrote:
> On 7/5/2016 7:50 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 08:26:23PM +0100, Dan S wrote:
> > >> 2016-07-04 20:20 GMT+01:00 ael <law_ence@ntlworld.com>:
> >
> > apparently the start
the older lanes and paths are
"sunken", although I think by design rather than "fallen" over time.
I haven't checked tag-info, but I don't remember seeing any with special
tags like this.
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= hollow_way, and perhaps
hollow_way=cutting | whatever where there is more information?
OTOH, some of the deep historic cuttings illustrated earlier don't
seem to me to fit the description hollow_way, which was perhaps the
point.
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site from the operator to find out
> when/where/how my bus/train is going. I would not even think of OSM…
I have used /www.traveline.info/ which uses OSM although also additional
data bases, I understand. A member of their team often posts here, I
think.
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> 2017-01-09 13:15 GMT+01:00 ael <law_ence@ntlworld.com>:
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> > This thread has reminded me that I have encountered problems with
> > mapping disused quarries and surface mining.
> >
> &
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 01:46:42PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2017-01-09 13:15 GMT+01:00 ael <law_ence@ntlworld.com>:
> (relatively recently). For many years, OSM didn't have a way to map bridges
> and was relying on indirect mapping methods (state on a hig
On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 02:00:58PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
> On 09.01.2017 13:15, ael wrote:
> Please do not use "disused=yes" as it is considered troll-tagging, first
> saying it is simething, and in the next line negating it.
I don't think that is a natural interpretati
k there. But I originally tried to respect as far
as I could the work of another mapper. Having now seen the block and the
the problems elsewhere, I would now be more radical in my corrections.
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less of any historic or disused tags. it would solve
many such problems.
Any suggestions: do we need new tags?
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, water=pool
to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:water, and tag accordingly.
The existing tags do not cover these pools.
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;spiritual" about living matter
and has no place in the 20th or 21st centuries. Most modern weedkillers
are organic in the true sense of the word, however destructive and
polluting they may be. Let's not encourage the further misuse and abuse
of the term.
green_waste seems OK,
sh, ponds are generally static. That is the term is
usually used when there is little or no flow.
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> right.
> They are part of the river with special properties.
>
> So perhaps
> natural=water + water=river
> + stream_pool=yes
Good point, but why introduce a new term "stream_pool"? Why not just
pool=yes?
ael
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> On 14-Mar-17 09:13 AM, ael wrote:
> > > English is not my primary language, but it seems a little contradictory
> > > here.
> > >
> > > "landuse" says that a specific piece of land is be
above are
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se: they are quarries.
Yet some people object to them being rendered on the basis of the
superficial contradiction that you highlight.
Maybe we need a tag=out_of_use or some such? But that is open to the
same literal objection.
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ng and disused as the only possible documented
tags. So how do I avoid being one of your trolls, preferably while still
getting the major features in an area rendered?
Yes, I do also use the historic tag as well, where appropriate, but that
has even less chance of a p
ughshod over existing carefully mapped data, often
using outdated imagery.
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oples work without going out and checking the reality.
As above, I need then to avoid trampling on other people's
work.
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eying improves or plate tectonics changes, it would be ridiculous
to change the name rather than just the elevation.
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s to fit very well with what you describe.
See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dtrade , although I
don't know why the wiki page restricts it to equipment: it shouldn't.
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uld be redundant to invent
another tag. Not sure what a more general tag would look like. As
pointed out earlier, the same objection could be raised to "shop",
which isn't the first word that comes to mind for the large
establishments, but again shop has come to mea
ss
agricultural_supplies=* could be used to add the same information to the
shop=trade version.
Again, just an observation.
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declare an interest. I originated that tag.
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I have tagged this sort of thing as a (fancy sort of) bollard. That was
at the suggestion of another mapper in my local area.
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