Re: [OSM-talk] Left and Right - a proposal

2008-08-31 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 31 August 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Ben Laenen wrote: This could be very annoying if you're making a way for an area and at the end suddenly remembers that you should have done it clockwise and not

Re: [Talk-GB] Very accurate GPS devices

2008-08-29 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Gates wrote: Further to Ed's post, are there really GPS devices with one inch accuracy? I could imagine letting a device sit for some time, and then averaging the position, which might lead to increased accuracy at

Re: [OSM-talk] What Can Be Done With It?

2008-08-24 Thread Andy Allan
There's a dozen other pages (Neat Stuff is one) that have a very similar purpose - maybe you could find them and combine them all. Cheers, Andy On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At SOTM, we were discussing how to show people that OSM isn't just Google

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM relations workshop: results

2008-08-21 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In some own rendering I do I solved this for now quite easily for water polygons, which are usually segmented into smaller areas: the trick is to mask the border with the inner area colour. To get a border, you first

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM relations workshop: results

2008-08-21 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the route goes both ways between A and D, the ways have no roles. A B C - D | | v v E F If in this example the route goes from A to D via ABEFCD and the route goes

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik churches

2008-08-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Marc Schütz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New styles for place_of_worship have just been added by Steve Chilton: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/changeset/9670 I'm going to check that they look OK and then deploy them. Jon Shouldn't the changes have gone

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-07 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, highway=path makes it easier on renderers. That's a bold statement for someone who has no experience running a renderer. Without using highway=path, renderers need to understand every single specialized way. [...]

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incorrect. You neglected to account for the existing tags on those 509k/425k. There's actually a net gain (reduction) in the number of tags needed. The simplest cases (cycleway/footway/bridleway) are identical, obviously.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (service=parking aisle)

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Robert Vollmert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lways guys. Even a path is called highway in osm, why change it ? I don't see the conflict: For railways, service=* distinguishes between different types of service lines, for highways it distinguishes between different

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on Ubuntu UK podcast

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the stuff cron was made for:) You think my scripts are reliable enough to run twice in a row? :-) Honestly though, it's not been bad for the last few weeks, but things were often going wrong with the

Re: [OSM-talk] (Proposed UK) National Cycle Map standard

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Stephen Gower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not quite sure who is considering this, but http://www.cyclecheltenham.org.uk/map_standard.html claims to be being considered as the basis for a national standard. Pah, 'standards' often just limit creativity. And I

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: I've never been a friend of that voting business but it seems to get more absurd every day. Is it perhaps time now to have a vote on abolishing votes altogehter - or should we continue to let people vote

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] encore plein de questions sur le v élo

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Allan
2008/8/4 Sebek Ab. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bonjour, Bonjour, Premièrement, je suis desolée - je ne parle pas la langue très bien. Si je suis inintelligable, je peux écrire en Anglais. J'ai fait pas mal de constats : - aucune des infos liées au vélo ne sortent pas sur mapnik ou osmarender - le

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bicycle render request (gravitystorm)

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Allan
2008/8/5 Delalande Jocelyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Andy, and first of all, thanks for this layer :) You're welcome. Il y a déjà 20Gigabytes des images, donc il n'y a pas des images pour tous les niveaux autour de monde (ca ferait ~1.7Terabytes ensemble). Si vous voulais des plus grands

Re: [OSM-talk] Milestone

2008-07-31 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if anyone feels like getting their hands dirty and doing some collaborative work on mapnik style improvements then just drop me a line. I've spent quite a while making maps based on the osm.xml file - not just the

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering name of route relations

2008-07-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew MacKinnon wrote: Recently, it appears that Mapnik has started rendering the name of relations on the map, as if they were street names. For example, it renders the name of the Cosburn bus route along Haldon Avenue

Re: [OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

2008-07-14 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:54 PM, John McKerrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shaun, do the no-name tile sets highlight name=FIXME as well as empty/ missing 'name' tags? No. And there's many other variations on the putting-garbage-in-the-name-tag :-) Also are those tiles available

Re: [Talk-GB] Nottingham progress?

2008-07-04 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Russ Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could anyone here give me an idea of progress in Nottingham? I had a quick look recently and it appeared that all the roads are in place, but some (many?) don't have names. Hi Russ, I don't know Nottingham myself, but you

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:highway=cycleway inconsistency

2008-07-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Michael Collinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly agree that the default for foot access should be one or the other for highway=cycleway. My own preference is for default foot=yes. I disagree - I think the default should be undefined. After all, it's been

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess this comes down as to whether things like walking routes should be stored in OSM itself or put in a different project. I guess we don't want to overload OSM with walking routes; however Freemap does aim to

Re: [OSM-talk] short forms of street names

2008-06-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Inge Wallin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In some places the streets are very short. This makes it difficult to show the name of the street in full. However, for most street names there exist a short form. In swedish most names are of the form Foogatan (Foo street)

Re: [OSM-talk] short forms of street names

2008-06-24 Thread Andy Allan
Indeed. On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Pieren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: such table already exists for the name finder: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Name_finder:Abbreviations Pieren On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:54

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM: Relations workshop

2008-06-23 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Karl Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, if time permits, I'd like to use some time at SOTM to have a little discussion about relations: * how are relations already used, how good

Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans

2008-06-23 Thread Andy Allan
There's a few Sustran's volunteer Rangers within the OSM community, myself included. We've tried various approaches to them with very little success. They seem to like having sucky maps on their website, charging a small fortune for maps that would be mostly unnecessary if the routes were properly

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik large rievrs

2008-06-15 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more complex case, which I'm surprised hasn't been discussed at any point in this feature's development, is how I render a river

Re: [OSM-talk] Front page

2008-06-14 Thread Andy Allan
Careful with the sarcastic responses. You're violating the terms of the OSM license with that page, in my opinion. Cheers, Andy On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Lauri Hahne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My own version with even less clutter: http://lhahne.wippiespace.com/osm/index-ol.html

Re: [OSM-talk] New template for Proposed features

2008-06-13 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, on the example page: are we allowed to use shots obviously taken from google? i think a link to the area in question would be less likely to cause trouble...unless i'm being paranoid Yea gads no. It would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of tracktype

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Sven Geggus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's because the Mapnik layer aims to be a nice looking map and not one that has it all. Despite of this it would IMO be still much mor appropriate to render tracktype=grade1 in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik large rievrs

2008-06-11 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:30 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Areas tagged with the tag waterway = rivebank http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:waterway%3Driverbank do not seem to be rendering in Mapnik. For rendering solid-fill polygons, I would think that'll be fairly

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] noname streets

2008-06-09 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how do you tell someone else that it's correct? If I see there is an unnamed street I may go out of my way to find its name, only to discover it doesn't have one Define doesn't have one. A) No evidence of the name B)

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] noname streets

2008-06-09 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look at http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~random/no-names/?zoom=15lat=6718359.62403lon=859.10713layers=B000 Actually, those areas aren't the problem at hand - we know someone needs to go get the names, it's pretty

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] noname streets

2008-06-09 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issue is the partially-done, somewhat scrappy areas, like http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~random/no-names/?zoom=15lat=6718359.62403lon=859.10713layers=B000 [...] that only really applies there. I wouldn't suggest

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping Crossing ways

2008-05-30 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Should I also just disable z11 on Potlatch altogether? Thoughts welcome: personally I don't use it, but then I don't use the Yahoo imagery either.) I'm an urban mapper, so the higher the zoom the better. Especially

Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-30 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:37 PM, elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think most British mappers would be happier selecting from a boundary sub-menu of 'National', 'County', 'District', 'parish', Yes. with each choice invisibly mapped back to the appropriate numerical boundary type

Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-30 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because 99% of applications don't care the slightest how the internal subdivisions of some random country in the world compare to those in england. All renderers care about is is boundary A more or less important

Re: [OSM-talk] Update OSM PostGIS DB with .osc files?

2008-05-29 Thread Andy Allan
As far as I'm aware, there is no working code for this yet. Cheers, Andy PS - It's the kind of discussion better off on our development mailing list (dev@) On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Ian Dees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone experimented with using the hourly, daily, etc. OSC files

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik Import Error

2008-05-29 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:00 PM, yellowbkpk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running postgres-8.3-postgis on a Ubuntu 8.04 system. I finished downloading the planet.osm file yesterday and started running osm2pgsql.

Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Andy Allan
The wording of the main/first data source never filled me with confidence either: There is currently some question as to the licensing terms for this data. This is being resolved as quickly as possible. Until then, it is best to assume that this imagery can not be used outside of OpenAerialMap.

Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Jukka Rahkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that what is uncertain with OpenAerialMap is if the imagery that is colour adjusted by i-Cubed can be taken out from OAM, not if you can do derived work based on it. That's pretty clear cut - i-Cubed own

Re: [OSM-talk] A tag tab

2008-05-21 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Cowan wrote: It would list all the tags being used via tagwatch, which is updated every week based on the new planet. People could then vote (once only on each tag) on tags that are being used. Tags are not

Re: [OSM-talk] Rights of way (was: Vote: highway=path)

2008-05-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Cartinus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to sum it up: Do the ways currently tagged with bridleway conform to your narrow definition or is there already no data to loose, because it is already use for ways which are physically, but not legally paths for horses. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Description nodes on the cycle map?

2008-05-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:16 PM, OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to add descriptions that would be visible on the detailed zoom of the cycle map? e.g. and now there are no NCN signs until Salford, or ignore misleading sign here - that sort of thing to help people planning a

Re: [Talk-GB] StreetCar information in OSM

2008-05-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Grant Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kyle Gordon wrote: Surely not, since it's Google data... How is this Google's data? Regardless of if StreetCar has a Google map on their site. Data likely comes from: http://www.streetcar.co.uk/LocationsXml.xml Our

Re: [OSM-talk] Using Osmarender to hilight Relation/Routes?

2008-05-17 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example a reference point (such as the number '3'), or specific text which does not apply to the underlying node/way data (such as 'turn left at fork'). The role of the node within the relation may be applicable, but is perhaps a

Re: [OSM-talk] Using Osmarender to hilight Relation/Routes?

2008-05-16 Thread Andy Allan
(and was from api0.4 times). I guess Andy Allan may add his notes to this thread at some point. Sure. The way we handle route relations is to process them and add an additional way for each member of the relation (simply by finding the member way of the relation and duplicating its geometry). Then you

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-13 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of us map out an area completely in one go rather than doing it piecemeal. Even if I come across some existing roads in a new area I ignore them and do a new survey so that the whole area makes

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Jeffrey Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did we ever decide what to do when a road continues but we didn't continue down the road? I can't speak for the other 33,000 contributors, but I (and a few others I know of) simply use isolated nodes as a kind of

Re: [OSM-talk] TIGER mapping party

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:26 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I and others have been doing a lot of fixing of TIGER data all over the US. There is still a lot to do and Richard has added some really useful features to potlatch to speed it up. I was thinking of running a TIGER mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is terribly hard to know whether you have all the footpaths, and I think we'd hardly ever mark anywhere complete if we did that. I think it's terribly hard to know when a map is correct and complete, regardless

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of jogging tracks

2008-05-09 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Mike Collinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:24 PM 8/05/2008, Karl Eichwalder wrote: Inge Wallin schrieb: Yes, that is indeed what it is. I haven't tracked it yet, but there is also a mountain bike track in that area. I suppose that should be tagged:

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Online/offline slippy map finished.

2008-05-09 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Sebastian Spaeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frustrated by the lack of a nice map viewing tool for my eee pc, I have written my own hack. It's a local OpenLayers installation that is served by a python script (stock python, no additional libs). If the tile does

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Road crossings proposal[0], appears to be in limbo, and I'm wondering if the correct procedure as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features has been followed. It appears

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My advice would be to document the predominant use of the tag first, Putting my wiki skills where my mouth is: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:crossing - hopefully useful to show what's in the db as we debate

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I see it differently. As I recall: *Some people said this is the way it will be. Since they have dev access, they also added their method to the rendering system, Let me be blunt: I don't have dev access, and I

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan wrote: Let me be blunt: I don't have dev access, and I don't have SVN access either. So stop with the moaning, and get your facts straight. I didn't say you personally did that. But if the group of people

Re: [OSM-talk] WTF ! (about gps traces)

2008-05-02 Thread Andy Allan
When you try editing it, you can see the intersections of the GPS lines match points along the ways. I suspect that the nodes are a valid trace with bogus timestamps, so the points on the trace are out-of-order, and it looks a mess when you join them. Other explanations are of course possible!

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-02 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, While I have the PD-user template on my user page and would encourage like-minded folks to do the same, I feel it is mostly a political statement than of real practical benefit. +1 Some time in

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to roll back changes made by user Katie after 17:40 on April 16? I don't believe that there are any tools available for rollback and the like beyond those in the editors, so everyone is on an equal

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism, was Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jeffrey Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the project have any long term plans on how to deal with vandalism? There's more ideas than there are developers willing and capable of implementing them! Should some features be locked? Do we need some kind of

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 5:41 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe that there are any tools available for rollback and the like beyond those in the editors, so everyone is on an equal footing when it comes to rolling back. Oh. I thought this had been done. It might

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are established conventions for both flat tagging schemes and namespacing - see the likes of the piste proposal, the lighthouses proposal, etc. Namespacing every tag is not an established convention, no matter how

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-23 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm aware the issue is contentious, but no one has said anything to convince me that namespacing isn't a good thing (certainly nothing showing why it is a bad thing). You are clearly unwilling to consider the downsides

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-23 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is something I truely can't understand - I would think that anyone would find more meaningful and non-conflicting tag names to be easier, not more difficult to use. You are taking what you believe to be true, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Andy Allan wrote: And full of frigging namespaces. Yes - I consider this a Good Thing. Then we'll need to do our best to persuade each other :-) ! british_trad = VS british_tech = 6b french

Re: [OSM-talk] osmxapi/bbox question

2008-04-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (An obvious optimization is to compute the largest rectangle contained in, and the largest rectangle containing, the polygon. First check if point is outside the outer bbox - if yes, you're done. Then check if point

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

2008-04-18 Thread Andy Allan
If we can agree on the rendering rules and get both Mapnik and osmarender sorted out for the USA sorted out - they both work fine. Even if we had a production-ready mechanism for country-specific rendering, it would still be a matter of opinion, or more accurately, a matter of cartographic

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I see the problem. You are taking a tag away from it's context, and then complaining that the tag has no context on its own. Only part

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I would prefer to see everything namespaced, such as amenity:pub:name or pub:name. Hmm. In that case, I'm not sure we'll see eye to eye on this at any point! Cheers, Andy

Re: [OSM-talk] house numbers revisited

2008-04-17 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A completely different (and quite OSM-like!) option is dropping all this complex logic, left-right-blah tagging, number schemes, relations and all, and just put simple nodes: This is B street number 25. This brings

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles

2008-04-17 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Nick wrote: It's worth noting that in terms of climbing grades there are plenty of different systems worldwide to allow for: Yes, I was considering having a tag for each. e.g.:

Re: [OSM-talk] virtual san francisco mapping party?

2008-04-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw, if anyone knows what is going on in the bay just north of Mountain View and the Googleplex then please do some suitable tagging. There seem to be loads of shallow ponds with weird colours (particularly weird on google

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Hakan Tandogan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't doubt your reasoning that borders would be far better than is_in, but sometimes you have to resort to kludges to get something off the ground *today* Sure. instead of some at future date when we have

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the growing mess of wiki pages relating to place/is_in/boundary/relations and the rest I think that I would not be wasting my time now putting together a 'proposal' for good practice for handling the simple

Re: [OSM-talk] Naga City in OSM Re: GML to OSM

2008-04-10 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that only addresses one small 'problem' and misses the bigger one of finding 'all the golf courses in England' or 'all the Islands in the Philippines'. A single lookup to find ALL the boundaries you are currently

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-08 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't think that searching for M11 should You seem to be discussing a hypothetical search engine - how it works is dependent on the implementation of the search engine, not the structure of the database, and so

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-08 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But a motorway which is not a continuous road (i.e. has gaps in it) is _not_ a single road - I see no reason why it should be treated as one. Maybe you could cite some examples of why you need to treat it as a single road,

Re: [OSM-talk] Copyright and official documents on the web

2008-04-07 Thread Andy Allan
I would view this as a citeable reference, as opposed to a copyright violation. Cheers, Andy On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, Have found evidence that a path I mapped yesterday has cycle rights:

Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant

2008-04-07 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: In the end, moving *all* tags into relations might be the best thing to do, but I think the editors need a lot of work before that is a viable option. At the moment we have a

Re: [OSM-talk] National cycle routes

2008-04-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, I've gathered some info on national cycle routes, but since the WIKI is down I can't be sure how to tag them. Do I just put ncn_ref=x on the road / track etc? Yes, that's the simplest way. When the same road

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC: railway=incline

2008-03-29 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan wrote: Gah. All the namespacing appears to be there to raise the barrier to entry, rather than solving any real problem. Once again, I will say that it is unnecessarily complicated. If I find a traction

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes

2008-03-28 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I've googled a bit for images of cycleways to get an idea about when other people would tag a cycleway as a separate highway... (sorry, it's a bit of a Belgium-centric selection...) [snip] Excellent stuff. I much

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes

2008-03-24 Thread Andy Allan
I think a lot of the physical cycleway tagging is ambiguous at the moment, especially with the cycleway= tag. I think cycleway=track was intended only for adding to highway=* (not highway=cycleway), but I would advise that all off-road cycle paths, including those on sidewalks, are drawn as a

Re: [OSM-talk] 2 divided carriage-ways meeting at traffic lights.

2008-03-22 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I played a little last night thinking of how a router application might sense junctions and worked out a solution at the way/map level. see: http://www.openstreetmap.com/?lat=51.11773lon=-114.0701zoom=17layers=0BFT (osmarender

Re: [OSM-talk] re contours

2008-03-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With some modification to the banding intervals, it could be useful to use colours *as well* as contour lines on the map to make it easier to see which direction the gradient is (i.e. so you can tell the difference

Re: [OSM-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: land information new zealand is a government org that holds data on roads and properties for the entirety of new zealand. they have recently given permission to use their data sets in osm, with a caveat that we include

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenExpo, Bern and OpenStreetMap

2008-03-14 Thread Andy Allan
Brilliant work Sebastian, that looks really excellent. Cheers, Andy On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Sebastian Spaeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenExpo, Bern, Switzerland is over (1000 visitors) and I wrote an post on my experiences there:

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle Map around Nuremberg

2008-03-14 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karl Eichwalder wrote: Around Nuremberg (Nürnberg) the Cycle Map is now available with much better zoom levels: http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/?zoom=12lat=6358702.54257lon=1238040.08506layers=B00 Thanks a million!

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: map question]

2008-03-10 Thread Andy Allan
I think your suggestion is currently the best (easiest) way to do it. I'll look much more professional to edit the SVG and then rasterise the result. Cheers, Andy On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: golf course

2008-03-10 Thread Andy Allan
Hi Daniel, I'd just like to say how much I like this proposal, even though I have little interest in it. I especially like the way that you have taken a large subject and created a proposal to address the whole topic rather than just proposing individual tags in a piecemeal fashion, and gone to a

Re: [OSM-talk] create a rendering test zone somewhere on the planet ?

2008-03-04 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Pieren Pieren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think about this idea : - select two or three small islands somewhere on the planet, but really in the middle of 'nowhere', means no humans, no constructions, absolutely nothing. - call these islands 'mapnik',

Re: [OSM-talk] FW: Re: New to osmosis and it won't work for me

2008-03-01 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Nathan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok this may seem like a daft question, but how do you set the path so it uses version 1.6? I've installed JAVA1.6 from Sun, but not sure how to force the JAVA calls to use it? If you are using ubuntu, the following

Re: [OSM-talk] The Venice Lagoon dried...

2008-02-29 Thread Andy Allan
It's fairly straightforward: There are three sources of coastlines in the mapnik layer: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/rendering/mapnik/osm.xml#L31 * World-1 : zoom 0 to 6, very low detail * world : zoom 7 to 9 * coast-poly : zoom 10+ The final one is derived from the

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking symbols: YUCK!

2008-02-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Lester Caine wrote: We need ONE set of rendering rules that will produce consistent results No we don't - that's half the point of OSM. If we had ONE set of rendering RULES then

Re: [OSM-talk] Pint symbols: YUCK!

2008-02-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lauri Hahne wrote: Make it less tall and darker colours. ;) Now you're being drinks-ist. I like the current one, it looks like it might contain a real drink (cider, purely for example) rather than any of this

Re: [OSM-talk] Contours on the Cycle Map

2008-02-23 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Keith Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reality, it's fairly easy, and is based on using SRTM data and gdal_contour to create the shapefiles, with a few basic scripts to tie everything together. I'll make a page on the wiki with all the code to get

Re: [OSM-talk] rendering with mapnik, what do I need?

2008-02-22 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the transparent layers take the same amount of time to render as the base layer for a given area? This will depend entirely on what you put on them,

Re: [OSM-talk] Raw GPS layer

2008-02-22 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Guilhem Bonnefille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there any layer presenting ONLY raw GPS data? Actually, we have Mapnik, Osmarender, Maplint, but what about a layer with only raw GPS data. This could be usefull (at least for me) to manage my own

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch really hacks me off because...

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Feb 20, 2008 12:28 PM, Alex S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan wrote: You click the way to get the nodes to appear, then the node, then it wants to draw a line. You ignore the stretchy line, and select the properties and delete the tag, and then you're stuck desperately trying

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch really hacks me off because...

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Feb 20, 2008 11:54 AM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 20, 2008 11:20 AM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found Steve's excellent tutorial video on Potlatch really interesting - not so much because I don't know how to use Potlatch ;) , but more from a UI feedback

Re: [OSM-talk] displayed width of roads

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Feb 20, 2008 12:27 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 20 February 2008, Steve Chilton wrote: For mapnik rendering I was thinking of moving tram and light_rail to a new rendering layer which would be placed just after roads and thus draw them after roads - which is

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