Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread Russ Nelson
John Smith writes: verifiable, if I go to ny county, ny, us I won't know the difference to the adjcent county etc, we're not supposed to embed symbol information for the renderer and this is exactly what you are suggesting we do. I agree. You wouldn't. However, everybody else would look

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: John Smith writes:   verifiable, if I go to ny county, ny, us I won't know the difference   to the adjcent county etc, we're not supposed to embed symbol   information for the renderer and this is exactly what you are   suggesting we do. I agree.  

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Lester Caine
Anthony wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com mailto:waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org mailto:o...@inbox.org wrote: Because that's the primary purpose for which maps are created.

[OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?

2009-09-21 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, I haven't seen billiard and snooker tags. Have you tagged any billiard club, and if you have how have you done it? Cheers! -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004

Re: [OSM-talk] Evolution of a map

2009-09-21 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:25:37 +0300, Eddy Petrișor wrote: I've done something primitive based on some shell scripting and the mapnik render; the code isn't published yet, but I can publish it, if you want. Please do. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt

Re: [OSM-talk] get the way/node history in josm

2009-09-21 Thread Rob
maning sambale wrote: possible? Works for me. Not sure what version working history was added, but its fine for me in the current tested version 1981. * make sure you have the History pane enabled. * Select the ways and/or nodes you want history on. * Click reload button on

[OSM-talk] NoName layer not updating?

2009-09-21 Thread Rob
Anyone have any info on the status of the NoName layer? Seems to be at least 3 weeks out of date at the moment. Not showing changes I made 28th Aug: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4831948/history Cheers rcr ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread Liz
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: US is meant for US highway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Highways They uses signs with US printed on it. So the symbol needs the same which is different from US interstates where only a capital I is printed on the shield Ok, that would make

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers inthe wiki or list archives

2009-09-21 Thread Liz
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Mike N. wrote: In the US, an St prefix abbreviation is always Saint; an St suffix is always street. Are you sure of that? The French could still have left some Sainte behind in the south ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - last_checked

2009-09-21 Thread Rory McCann
On 16/09/09 13:09, John Smith wrote: This came up before and this should probably be stored in the changeset meta information, not directly against elements within the changeset. Surely changesets should only be created when something changes. What if I mapped a bus route in 2009-03-02, I set

[OSM-talk] NaPTAN bus stop import

2009-09-21 Thread Mike Harris
Hi Can someone expand a little on what is happening with the NaPTAN bus stop import apparently ongoing in some UK areas? I have taken a look at the wiki but am still a little unsure about a couple of things and don't want to cause any problems with what appears to be a potentially valuable

[OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, I have edited wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name should this first go through some suggestion process? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user

Re: [OSM-talk] get the way/node history in josm

2009-09-21 Thread maning sambale
Thanks! On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Rob r...@robreid.co.nz wrote: maning sambale wrote: possible? Works for me. Not sure what version working history was added, but its fine for me in the current tested version 1981.   * make sure you have the History pane enabled.   * Select the

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread Matt Williams
2009/9/21 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: Hi, I have edited wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name should this first go through some suggestion process? Isn't this what loc_name is for? -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com

Re: [OSM-talk] NaPTAN bus stop import

2009-09-21 Thread Ed Loach
Mike asked a few questions about the NaPTAN import. There is information on the wiki here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Surveying_and_Merging_NaPTAN_and_OSM_data about surveying (Short: http://is.gd/3w8tv ) I've just been updating some stops that I surveyed on the way to Tesco this

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:29:08 +0100, Matt Williams wrote: Isn't this what loc_name is for? Do you have some examples for loc_name usage? It could be that we could use loc_name instead of alt_name. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux,

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread Ed Loach
Hi, I have edited wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name should this first go through some suggestion process? It should probably have been redirecting to Key:name like int_name, nat_name, reg_name etc do, especially as alt_name on Map Features links to Key:name.

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives

2009-09-21 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 20 Sep 2009, at 20:27, Timothy C Litwiller wrote: county highway = residential surface=paved smoothness=good poor county highway = residential surface=paved smoothness=bad Please don't use smoothness=* as it is not a descriptive tag. Shaun smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic

[OSM-talk] USB Serial converters - any recommendations?

2009-09-21 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hello everyone, I have a MacBook Pro dual-booting Mac OS X 10.5 and Linux (Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28). Can use it for most things I need to do but the one thing lacking is a serial port. I got hold of a USB Serial converter and drivers but it didn't work well, sometimes it read data,

Re: [OSM-talk] NaPTAN bus stop import

2009-09-21 Thread Mike Harris
Ed Thanks a lot - that is all very clear and helpful and makes perfect sense. I will follow your example. I already tend to average ways where necessary in similar manner to your description and, as I almost always am doing walking surveys, any bus stops that I have manually added have indeed

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: US is meant for US highway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Highways They uses signs with US printed on it. So the symbol needs the same which is different from US interstates where only a capital I is printed on

Re: [OSM-talk] USB Serial converters - any recommendations?

2009-09-21 Thread Liz
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hello everyone, I have a MacBook Pro dual-booting Mac OS X 10.5 and Linux (Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28). Can use it for most things I need to do but the one thing lacking is a serial port. I got hold of a USB Serial converter and drivers but it

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - last_checked

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org: On 16/09/09 13:09, John Smith wrote: This came up before and this should probably be stored in the changeset meta information, not directly against elements within the changeset. Surely changesets should only be created when something changes. What

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/20 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Yeah...I think at this stage, it's useful to input as much detail as possible +1. I agree, though it might be better for some stuff to be put in a separate (more appropriate) db (openyellowpages or something like this, where you (or even the person

Re: [OSM-talk] NaPTAN bus stop import

2009-09-21 Thread Shaun McDonald
You'll find that this has been talked about on the talk-gb and the talk-transit mailing lists as they are not of global importance, rather just nation UK importance. Shaun On 21 Sep 2009, at 10:06, Mike Harris wrote: Hi Can someone expand a little on what is happening with the NaPTAN bus

Re: [OSM-talk] USB Serial converters - any recommendations?

2009-09-21 Thread Andrew Errington
On Mon, September 21, 2009 18:48, Nick Whitelegg wrote: snip Can anyone recommend a decent, reliable, USB to serial converter that will be compatible with this hardware? Don't have exactly the same setup, but I can recommend the BAFO BF-810 device. I run Linux on an Acer Aspire One netbook,

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Richard Mann
If we were just gathering data for routers, we would map every lane as a separate way, with relations for moving between each pair of adjacent lanes. If we were just gathering data for rendering a single-scale street map, we'd add tags to a single way, and probably not bother with lane info. I

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread Liz
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, I have edited wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name should this first go through some suggestion process? Just to make this somewhat clearer for others In the Balkans there are numerous examples of government and language

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: If we were just gathering data for routers, we would map every lane as a separate way, with relations for moving between each pair of adjacent lanes. If we were just gathering data for rendering a single-scale street map, we'd add

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Liz ed...@billiau.net: So the street or place might be known locally by an old communist-era name (say Tito Street) but have been officially renamed after some other international dignitary (say Mother Teresa). So while I might say you'll find me in Tito Street, when I'd put my

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/21 Liz ed...@billiau.net: So the street or place might be known locally by an old communist-era name (say Tito Street) but have been officially renamed after some other international dignitary (say Mother Teresa). So while I might say you'll

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Irrelevant.  I never said you had to use relations.  In fact, I said you don't. Others have suggested otherwise, to group ways that are on the same physical bridge. why should that be abusing relations? There

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: and two others I can't reproduce as I haven't got any non-Roman script on my computer making 9 names / spellings of the name Sounds like a fun thing to try and tag, most apps would only expect name=* some would also deal with name:en=* etc I have no

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/21 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: Simple answer to that BULLSHIT. I agree even if maybe I would have put it in less harsh words ;-) The only way to produce fine detail maps is with the correct information. Adding a footpath at the side of a road which along the length of the road

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread Axel Jacobs
Just to make this somewhat clearer for others In the Balkans there are numerous examples of government and language change, together with complete alteration in the social order. So the street or place might be known locally by an old communist-era name (say Tito Street) but have been

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread Ed Avis
I think that alt_name is useful to add variants of the name for searching. Often there is an abbreviated and a full version of the same name, and one is not any more 'official' than the other. This is often the case with churches. For streets that have been renamed, I would prefer a former_name

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread Liz
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Axel Jacobs wrote: You should go by the street signs. Whatever they indicate is the official name ('name='). This assumes there are street signs. sometimes the wiping our process removes all the signs but fails to put up new ones (and this week, our street signs have

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
Problem is rather simple with this actually right on target aproach - current practice and it is too damn boring and difficult or is also known as death by thousand paper cuts. I like micromapping - I hate current quality of routing software and I think there is whole posibility to have it more

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/21 Axel Jacobs blum...@yahoo.co.uk: You should go by the street signs. Whatever they indicate is the official name ('name='). no, it is an indeece for the official name, but they can have errors as well, are sometime abbreviated, etc. The official name in Germany is the one the street

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread d f
My Lord! What happened to my question?!? You lot don't half go on. :-) Back to basics: Are we all agreed that, in principle, it would be better to be able to have a single bridge to carry multiple ways? http://osm.org/go/eukOONRtk--

Re: [OSM-talk] get the way/node history in josm

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/21 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: Thanks! or simply select and hit CTRL+H cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread d f
Oh dear, I, of course, meant banned not band. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Lester Caine
d f wrote: My Lord! What happened to my question?!? You lot don't half go on. :-) It's the same problem ;) micro mapping requires detail macro model requires everything linked to the ways Back to basics: Are we all agreed that, in principle, it would be better to be able to have a single

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: If we were just gathering data for routers, we would map every lane as a separate way, with relations for moving between each pair of adjacent lanes. I disagree with that. Dealing with relations when

Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?

2009-09-21 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:16:45AM +, Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, I haven't seen billiard and snooker tags. Have you tagged any billiard club, and if you have how have you done it? I would use sport = billard as

Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] New JOSM Address Interpolation plugin

2009-09-21 Thread Mike N.
Seems the layout of your plugin dialog got mixed up a bit. Using version 17721 the Optional information: box doesn't include the following lines and fields (city, state, etc.) This was an attempt to create a titled horizontal rule. Is there a native Swing component for this?

Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?

2009-09-21 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 21 Sep 2009, at 14:34, Valent Turkovic wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:16:45AM +, Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, I haven't seen billiard and snooker tags. Have you tagged any billiard club, and if you have

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives

2009-09-21 Thread Joseph Scanlan
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009, Richard Weait wrote: Excellent start. Changing arterial streets to highway=secondary will help give the city some context. I prefer marking arterials as highway=tertiary. There are exceptions, of course. Some arterials are part of highways connecting cities. No point

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:21 AM, d f fac63te...@yahoo.com wrote: It was more an off the top of my head comment really. Would having it independent make it easier for the renderers? I think the important question is, does it add information? Probably so. A bridge really is more than just a

Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?

2009-09-21 Thread Norbert Hoffmann
Shaun McDonald wrote: sport = billard billard = pool or sport = billard billard = snooker There are currently no such tags in OSM Wiki, should we suggest these tags ot is it ok to just start using them? How will then other people know how to tag their billiard clubs? Just start

Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?

2009-09-21 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 21 Sep 2009, at 15:22, Norbert Hoffmann wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: sport = billard billard = pool or sport = billard billard = snooker There are currently no such tags in OSM Wiki, should we suggest these tags ot is it ok to just start using them? How will then other people know

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:54 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/21 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: US is meant for US highway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Highways They uses signs with US printed on it. So the symbol needs the same

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives

2009-09-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Scanlan n7...@arrl.net wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2009, Richard Weait wrote: Excellent start.  Changing arterial streets to highway=secondary will help give the city some context. I prefer marking arterials as highway=tertiary.  There are exceptions, of

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/22 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: US Routes.  (the US is invisible on modern signs, but often spoken as Take US-23 south to Marion Ohio or Take Hugh-Ass Twanny-thray sah-owth tah Marion Ohio.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_shield Only half of Ohio is hicks and from what

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I've been operating under the presumption that incremental improvements of shield branding across North America would be a good thing.  So if initially all county roads show a default county shield until the custom, local

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread Matt Williams
2009/9/21 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I've been operating under the presumption that incremental improvements of shield branding across North America would be a good thing.  So if initially all county roads show a

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread John Smith
2009/9/22 Matt Williams li...@milliams.com: Indeed. I remember this discussion coming up a year or two ago when talking about the colouring of roads in the default Mapnik renderer. Some people wanted each country's roads to be rendered in the style (colouring etc.) that the locals in that

[OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Thread Anthony
I've got parcel data for my county from the property appraiser's office. It's in shp format, which I have converted to osm format. The data lines up with what's already there nicely - there don't seem to be any projection issues and the accuracy appears to be excellent. It is public domain with

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread Russ Nelson
Andy Allan writes: I'll leave for cartographers to decide; personally I think it looks naff but that doesn't stop other people from doing so. Sorry, I don't speak English. Is naff good or bad? I hope good. Anyway, US maps are often rendered with the shape of the sign, and I'd like to see

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: The data is at ftp://209.26.172.71/. Username: public Password: access ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/21 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: The documentation comes after some significant usage of the tag. There is no need to spend time documenting everything straight away. yes, and if different approaches for the same thing arise, we just a) use both b) define different meaning

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Thread Hillsman, Edward
part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20090921/55681376/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:44:50 -0400 From: Anthony o...@inbox.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Alex Mauer
On 09/21/2009 09:20 AM, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:21 AM, d f fac63te...@yahoo.com wrote: amenity=bridge (or would it be landuse=bridge?), to be attached to a way or polygon. manmade=bridge? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?

2009-09-21 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 21 Sep 2009, at 16:46, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/9/21 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: The documentation comes after some significant usage of the tag. There is no need to spend time documenting everything straight away. yes, and if different approaches for the same

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread d f
From: Anthony o...@inbox.org To: d f fac63te...@yahoo.com Cc: OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, 21 September, 2009 15:20:43 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways? I think the important question is, does it add

Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?

2009-09-21 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:16:45AM +, Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, I haven't seen billiard and snooker tags. Have you tagged any

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: I've got parcel data for my county from the property appraiser's office. It's in shp format, which I have converted to osm format. [...] Any other suggestions? Objections? Just my usual one: Please make sure that where you have polygons sharing a common border,

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Hi Antony, Here in France, we also have access to the land registry WMS for the whole country (only raster images, not the shapefiles excepted for one county who released also the parcels as shapefiles). We use this source for

Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?

2009-09-21 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Montag 21 September 2009 schrieb Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:16:45AM +, Valent Turkovic wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Hi Antony, Here in France, we also have access to the land registry WMS for the whole country (only raster images, not the shapefiles excepted for one county who

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I basically just want the address info. One of these days I want to be able to get door-to-door driving directions which I can *correct* when they're wrong! ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?

2009-09-21 Thread Peter Körner
Valent Turkovic schrieb: Hi, I haven't seen billiard and snooker tags. Have you tagged any billiard club, and if you have how have you done it? http://osmdoc.com/de/tag/sport/billiard - 11 uses http://osmdoc.com/de/tag/sport/snooker - 17 uses Use the one you personally like better. Peter

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I don't recall seeing I and US on signs in the US, although it might have been the case where I've been. Verified on the way to work today. Even this is not consistent. Some shields have some don't. At least in california. the large overhead signs have only the number but the signs along the

[OSM-talk] XAPI down?

2009-09-21 Thread Nakor
Hello, Is XAPI working? When I try http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=-83.56,42.17,-83.5599,42.1701, I get redirected to http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=-83.56,42.17,-83.5599,42.1701which turns to be an empty page. Thanks, N.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: If we were just gathering data for rendering a single-scale street map, we'd add tags to a single way, and probably not bother with lane

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
This data is definitely very up-to-date. It is used by the county to impose property taxes, so it has to be up-to-date. They offer new files weekly. problem is how can you convert the weekly updates into osm updates? You can't delete all data and upload again the next week. I basically

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI down?

2009-09-21 Thread Peter Körner
To me it gives an FEHLER 501: Internal Server Error: pe...@peter-desktop:~$ wget -O - http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/node[place=country] --2009-09-21 21:09:41-- http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/node[place=country] Auflösen des Hostnamen

Re: [OSM-talk] USB Serial converters - any recommendations?

2009-09-21 Thread Dave G
Hi I use: # HARDWARE: # Garmin eTrex (yellow basic model), firmware version 3.60 # Garmin eTrex H, firmware version 3.10 using a # standard generic serial connection also, Prolific Technology, Inc. # PL2303 based chipset USB to serial DB9 converter # TESTED ON: # The script has

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Thread Hillsman, Edward
for this? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20090921/296cf 538/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:56:21 -0400 From: Anthony o...@inbox.org Subject: Re: [OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: If we were just gathering data for rendering a single-scale street map,

[OSM-talk] planet-090916.osm.bz2 - inconsistent dump?

2009-09-21 Thread Marcin Cieslak
I tried to import planet-090916.osm.bz2 into the postgres database using osmosis, using empty schema from: URL: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/osmosis/trunk/script/contrib/apidb_0.6.sql Revision: 17698 The dump process: time bzip2 -dc $HOME/import/planet-090916.osm.bz2 | \

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI down?

2009-09-21 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello, Is XAPI working? When I try http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=-83.56,42.17,-83.5599,42 .1701, I get redirected to http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=-83.56,42.17,-83. 5599,42.1701which turns to be an empty page. The bounding box you have

[OSM-talk] landuse=meadow = natural=meadow ?

2009-09-21 Thread Aleksandr Dezhin
Hello, Why in the tree specified tag landuse=meadow, but not natural=meadow? How is landuse=meadow used by people? This tag looks completely usable! So in Russia all meadows are tagged in different ways, from landuse=village_green to natural=heath/fell. Should we decide the tag landuse=meadow

Re: [OSM-talk] planet-090916.osm.bz2 - inconsistent dump?

2009-09-21 Thread Shaun McDonald
There is more information available on this wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm/FAQ Shaun On 21 Sep 2009, at 20:33, Marcin Cieslak wrote: I tried to import planet-090916.osm.bz2 into the postgres database using osmosis, using empty schema from: URL:

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse=meadow = natural=meadow ?

2009-09-21 Thread Dave F.
Hi Aleksandr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadow It may be cut for hay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hay or grazed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grazing by livestock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock such as cattle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle, sheep

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse=meadow = natural=meadow ?

2009-09-21 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:58:32PM +0400, Aleksandr Dezhin wrote: Hello, Why in the tree specified tag landuse=meadow, but not natural=meadow? How is landuse=meadow used by people? This tag looks completely usable! So in Russia all meadows are tagged in different ways, from

Re: [OSM-talk] alt_name tag

2009-09-21 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/9/21 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/9/21 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: and two others I can't reproduce as I haven't got any non-Roman script on my computer making 9 names / spellings of the name Sounds like a fun thing to try and tag, most apps would only expect

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Dave F.
Dave F. wrote: Anthony wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org mailto:o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org mailto:o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Richard Mann

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI down?

2009-09-21 Thread 80n
XAPI is running. It just appears to be very busy serving lots of requests at the moment. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Nakor nakor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Is XAPI working? When I try http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=-83.56,42.17,-83.5599,42.1701, I get redirected

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse=meadow = natural=meadow ?

2009-09-21 Thread Aleksandr Dezhin
Why not landuse=farm? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarm 2009/9/22 Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org For me a meadow is something actively used for agricultural purposes. Either to generate hay for cows etc - So typically i use it together with a barrier=fence on the way ...

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Can I check? Are there people here who are suggesting that, in my case, they want to draw all four ways (yes, I know the footpath hasn't been mapped yet) as  a single way specify the differences with lane tags? Camp

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse=meadow = natural=meadow ?

2009-09-21 Thread Aleksandr Dezhin
Following this logic (may be ...), a lot of things can bring to landuse. Cows can drink from the lake, but we do not tag it as a landuse. Of course I understand that the meadow can somehow be farmed, but this is entirely optional. In the first meadow is a natural formation, which is usually

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: John seems to combine everything into a single way and treat the individual lanes (some of the substructures aren't even really lanes) as substructures.  Some people want to break every lane into a separate way, and combine them

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: A bridge should probably have its own geometry.  And if a bridge has its own geometry (polygon or line and width) and a layer tag you don't even need the relation, do you?  Anything in the area of the bridge with the same layer

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
Camp three: multiple ways representing paths of travel, grouped with a bridge relation to indicate they share a common bridge. This could probably be seen as a compromise, and is (I think) a good interim solution, if not a very-long-term solution. I can suggest to add bridge's physical form

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers inthe wiki or list archives

2009-09-21 Thread Emilie Laffray
Liz wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Mike N. wrote: In the US, an St prefix abbreviation is always Saint; an St suffix is always street. Are you sure of that? The French could still have left some Sainte behind in the south St is a prefix for Saint or Sainte(s) in France. How you

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Camp three: multiple ways representing paths of travel, grouped with a bridge relation to indicate they share a common bridge. This could probably be seen as a compromise, and is (I think) a good interim solution, if

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote: This data is definitely very up-to-date. It is used by the county to impose property taxes, so it has to be up-to-date. They offer new files weekly. problem is how can you convert the weekly updates into osm

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse=meadow = natural=meadow ?

2009-09-21 Thread Aleksandr Dezhin
In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadow we have three types of meadows: 1. Agricultural meadow 2. Transitional meadow 3. Perpetual meadow Agricultural meadow can be tagged as landuse=meadow and I think it's right. But what about transitional meadow and perpetual meadow? 2009/9/21

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-21 Thread Dave F.
Roy Therefore, a bridge relation would still be useful to indicate that multiple ways share a bridge, for when the bridge geometry is unknown. 1. Why do the ways need to indicate they share a bridge? 2. if the bridge is independent, the size (width) can be drawn to suit) Cheers Dave F.

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