Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Russ Nelson wrote: Both of these are unwanted; (a) is not possible without actually moving your own location around in small increments - a certain Russ N. reputedly has a script that does that and got bollocked for it. Nope, didn't. Nobody ever complained. Must've been

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Mikel Maron
Ævar Agreed, but you personally control the openstreetmap twitter account don't you? If you think waze's twitter account is nice (what it mostly does is answer a bunch of user questions, which implies a dedicated support team sitting behind it). Then perhaps you should give other people

Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 17:07, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Not sure if that hits it either. You're right about spammers but if you map in Long Beach (and are uninterested in mapping LA) and someone sets up a SoCal OSM convention in LA, you wouldn't get that invitation... so whoever hosts

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-18 Thread Gervase Markham
On 14/05/10 23:51, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its plugin architecture. Sadly, the definition of how browser plugins work means that they are

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 07:38, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the most effective way to push forward what osm.org could be is by demonstrating ideas with code. Isn't the code base now on github? Start forking, trying out ideas ... things that work are going to be more

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Tom Hughes
On 18/05/10 09:39, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 07:38, Mikel Maronmikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the most effective way to push forward what osm.org could be is by demonstrating ideas with code. Isn't the code base now on github? Start forking, trying out ideas

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-18 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
firefox jetpack On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.netwrote: On 14/05/10 23:51, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its plugin

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 08:49, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 18/05/10 09:39, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Here's a mockup:     http://v.nix.is/~avar/insert-stuff-here.png The contents of the white area would be determined by the aforementioned user editable  reviewed page. The

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Tom Hughes
On 18/05/10 10:08, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 08:49, Tom Hughest...@compton.nu wrote: Before you all get too carried away with this extra tab idea of Ævar's I would just like to point out what I've said before about adding more tabs, namely that we already have

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Zeptomoon
Would this tell you or remind you of something? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Logo_World_Green.plain.png Okay, it steals one element from another (very famous) community project. But, it's still very distinct. After all, there is some thing that connects us: The Free WIKI world

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: Worse than that, whatever you do the tabs will always overflow if you have a particularly verbose language and/or narrow window. They are, basically, just asking for trouble unless you limit yourself to only having a very small number of them. Or unless you get a

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/5/18 Zeptomoon zeptom...@gmail.com: Would this tell you or remind you of something? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Logo_World_Green.plain.png Okay, it steals one element from another (very famous) community project. But, it's still very distinct. After all, there is some

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 09:16, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 18/05/10 10:08, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: It would solve our existing overflow problems, and give us space for small notices at the top like Would you like to view osm.org in $language, or head over to the wiki for Haiti

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: could someone with the ability please add place=isolated_dwelling to the main map features? Voting has ended on May 13 and the feature was approved.

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Pieren wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: could someone with the ability please add place=isolated_dwelling to the main map features? Voting has ended on May 13 and the feature was approved.

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: For people who can't manage downloading a file, Andy provides a nice service of posting garmin maps on an SD card. http://shop.opencyclemap.org/ I don't know if he gets a tiny profit margin or not, but the prices are

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Zeptomoon wrote: Of course, there is room for improvement. I drafted it this morning. Feedback? Too bold? Too WIKI? I think it has a funny edge, it looks as if the little people are trapped in a spider web. Maybe change the slogan to: OSMF... we'll get you sooner or later! (Obviously

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-18 Thread john whelan
On the map on the OSM web site click on the + tag to the right then select data. Now select the point of interest and it will show you the tag data. If the hours of opening are present or it has a web site it will show them. Cheerio John On 17 May 2010 17:00, John F. Eldredge

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:01, Frederik Ramm schreef: including but not limited to OpenStreetMap.) Interesting that you point it out that way. Because this is exactly not what I've been perceiving when talking to the board members. I actually think

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-18 Thread john whelan
Have a look at Maperitive. Because the processing is done on the local machine it gives you much more control. I've been playing with .bat files, you can run them from a desktop icon, to select some POIs and display them but not others. Being in Canada I also use the technique to switch the

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Stefan de Konink wrote: including but not limited to OpenStreetMap.) Interesting that you point it out that way. Because this is exactly not what I've been perceiving when talking to the board members. I actually think 'exclusively' might be a better representation of real life. That's

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, not all isolated dwellings are farms. But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? Pieren ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: not all isolated dwellings are farms. But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, not all isolated dwellings are farms. But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? yes, that's why I marked place=farm as

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: yes, that's why I marked place=farm as deprecated and put on a (temporary) note that it should be changed to isolated_dwelling. But doesn't that lose information? Why would one want that? Bye Frederik ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: yes, that's why I marked place=farm as deprecated and put on a (temporary) note that it should be changed to isolated_dwelling. But doesn't that lose information? Why would one want that? I was implying that you put the

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:49 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I was implying that you put the farm information to where it belongs, i.e. if there is a place=farm you could transscribe this to place=isolated_dwelling, landuse=farmyard.

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I was implying that you put the farm information to where it belongs, i.e. if there is a place=farm you could transscribe this to place=isolated_dwelling, landuse=farmyard. Oh, I guess I hadn't followed this enough, I thought that isolated_dwelling was meant to

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-18 Thread Gervase Markham
On 18/05/10 10:05, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: firefox jetpack Jetpacks are alternatives to extensions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Add-on_%28Mozilla%29 not plugins. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_%28computing%29#Plug-ins_and_extensions for an explanation. I agree the

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Oh, I guess I hadn't followed this enough, I thought that isolated_dwelling was meant to be a node tag. it is a node or polygon-tag. Up to the mapper. In the end all place-tags are best on polygons and not on nodes. Cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Right, but this means you cannot downgrade a place=farm that sits on a node to a place=isolated_dwelling without loss of information because you could not attach landuse=farmyard to a node. At least that would be a very unusual way of tagging.

[OSM-legal-talk] Editing Derived Database Extracts and ODbL

2010-05-18 Thread Ben Supnik
Hi Y'all, I'm trying to wrap my head around the give-back clause in ODbL, that is, the requirement to publish not only a produced work, but also the modified database, if modding the DB was part of creating the produced work. Share-Alike: If you publicly use any adapted version of this

[OSM-talk] OSM talk at Protospace (Calgary, AB), May 25th, 7.00pm

2010-05-18 Thread simon
Hi all, Just a heads up that I'm planning to give a 15mins talk about OpenStreetMap at Calgary's new hacker space Protospace (http://www.protospace.ca/) for 'Geek Pride Day', May 25th, 7.00pm. Full event details here: http://wiki.protospace.ca/index.php?title=Geek_Pride_Day Protospace is located

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-18 Thread Igor Brejc
Hi, Let me just add one note to John's comments about Maperitive: it already out of the box supports 19 zoom levels, but you can modify the configuration and set the max zoom to a higher level: http://maperitive.net/docs/manual/Advanced_Configuration.html

[OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Seventy 7
Ævar wrote: You'll probably like this one better, it takes the concept of insert neat stuff here even further, just add imagination: http://v.nix.is/~avar/insert-neater-stuff-here.png Lol! Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon The Technology Demo. Dilbert, the nerdy engineer, is presenting

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Before you all get too carried away with this extra tab idea of Ævar's I would just like to point out what I've said before about adding more tabs, namely that we already have too many and that any attempt add more without

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Tom Hughes
On 18/05/10 21:07, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Tom Hughest...@compton.nu wrote: Before you all get too carried away with this extra tab idea of Ævar's I would just like to point out what I've said before about adding more tabs, namely that we already have too many and

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Zeptomoon zeptom...@gmail.com wrote: Would this tell you or remind you of something? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Logo_World_Green.plain.png Cool idea. Would need some tweaking to make it easier on the eyes. The problem is that it looks nasty

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Easy fix: Remove the GPS Traces and User Diaries tabs and add links to these near Help  Wiki in the left column. Yes, because we never get any complaints about things in the left column being pushed too far down the page so

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Pieren wrote: But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? No. Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular maps as if they were towns I'm sure that the

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread Joseph Reeves
There is a lot of android phones to pick from, not sure how many allow root access or you can get root access with them. True, but the question wasn't really that specific. I know, I'm being pedantic, but the Desire is the nicest phone I've ever owned (and I make a point of owning nice phones)

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Well the question came from a new OSMer from Shkoder Albania, who is helping with the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AlbanianFloodingCrisisCamp. The people in albania dont have much money, it is a very poor country, but they love to spend money on mobile phones. there are a great deal of good

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 08:43, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So, he is new to osm but not new to linux, and if we can find the right phone for him, maybe more people will be also motivated to help with osm, when they see somone sitting in the cafe with a nice

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:48 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 19 May 2010 08:43, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So, he is new to osm but not new to linux, and if we can find the right phone for him, maybe more people will be also

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 09:29, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Anyway, the question was about linux phones. Maybe so, but you didn't give enough context as to why. our group in albania and kosovo is not just promoting and working on OSM and freedom of the maps, but

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:32 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 19 May 2010 09:29, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Anyway, the question was about linux phones. Maybe so, but you didn't give enough context as to why. our group in albania

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 09:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: In which case your only options, to the best of my knowledge, are the nokia n900 and the freerunner... Android phones are usually too locked down to be considered free by most FLOSS groups... Well, if

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/19 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: Well the question came from a new OSMer from Shkoder Albania, who is helping with the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AlbanianFloodingCrisisCamp. The people in albania dont have much money, it is a very poor country,

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:48 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 19 May 2010 09:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: In which case your only options, to the best of my knowledge, are the nokia n900 and the freerunner... Android phones are

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 09:50, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually for mapping all gps devices in phones that I know of (don't know for the HTC) are worse than much cheaper dedicated gps receivers. Depends on the antenna design as much as anything else, just because it's a phone

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread Phil! Gold
* John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com [2010-05-19 09:32 +1000]: On 19 May 2010 09:29, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com our group in albania and kosovo is not just promoting and working on OSM and freedom of the maps, but also of software and knowledge, we promoting linux. If given a choice,

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 18 May 2010, Pieren wrote: But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? No. Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular maps as if they

[OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Andre Engels
Veel wordt er rond OSM gediscussieerd over wat wel en niet auteursrechtelijk zou mogen betreffende gebruik van andere kaarten, satellietopnames en dergelijke bronnen. Ik heb er de Nederlandse jurisprudentie op nageslagen, en het volgende gevonden: IEPT20090526, GHvJNAA, Carribean Cartographics -

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 13:49, Andre Engels schreef: Veel wordt er rond OSM gediscussieerd over wat wel en niet auteursrechtelijk zou mogen betreffende gebruik van andere kaarten, satellietopnames en dergelijke bronnen. Ik heb er de Nederlandse

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Rob
Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Zijn er btw nog andere rechten van toepassing ? Op 18 mei 2010 14:15 schreef Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de het volgende: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 13:49, Andre Engels schreef: Veel wordt er rond OSM

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Maarten Deen
On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:21:51 +0200, Rob r...@coolbegin.com wrote: Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Conclusie? De opening vind ik een goede samenvatting: De maker van een wegenkaart kan alleen dan aanspraak maken op auteursrechtelijke bescherming indien sprake is van een zekere mate

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Ben Laenen
Rob wrote: Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Zijn er btw nog andere rechten van toepassing ? Dat is ook mijn vraag: wat met het databankrecht? Daar is geen creativiteit in het werk bij nodig. En als het databankrecht ook niet meetelt, dan werpt dat ook weer een heel ander licht

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:29, Maarten Deen schreef: De maker van een wegenkaart kan alleen dan aanspraak maken op auteursrechtelijke bescherming indien sprake is van een zekere mate van originaliteit en creativiteit, waarop met een ander product wordt

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:29, Ben Laenen schreef: Rob wrote: Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Zijn er btw nog andere rechten van toepassing ? Dat is ook mijn vraag: wat met het databankrecht? Daar is geen creativiteit in het werk bij

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Maarten Deen
On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:32:35 +0200, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:29, Maarten Deen schreef: De maker van een wegenkaart kan alleen dan aanspraak maken op auteursrechtelijke bescherming indien sprake is van een zekere

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:37, Maarten Deen schreef: Ik weet niet hoe het met jouw tekst analyse is, maar hier staat het tegenovergestelde. Ik lees: Een maker van een kaart kan aanspraak maken op auteursrecht als: - zijn kaart origineel en creatief is -

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Andre Engels
2010/5/18 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:21:51 +0200, Rob r...@coolbegin.com wrote: Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Conclusie? De opening vind ik een goede samenvatting: De maker van een wegenkaart kan alleen dan aanspraak maken op auteursrechtelijke

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Maarten Deen
On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:40:37 +0200, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:37, Maarten Deen schreef: Ik weet niet hoe het met jouw tekst analyse is, maar hier staat het tegenovergestelde. Ik lees: Een maker van een kaart

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Maarten Deen
On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:47:28 +0200, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/18 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:21:51 +0200, Rob r...@coolbegin.com wrote: Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Conclusie? De opening vind ik een goede samenvatting: De

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 15:00, Maarten Deen schreef: Maar dat betekent niet dat de gegevens die iemand verzamelt zomaar gekopieerd mogen worden. Kopieren is iets anders dan zelf produceren. Dat betekent 'geen auteursrecht' wel ;) Letterlijke overname. Dat

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Vincent Zweije
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 02:29:23PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: || Conclusie? De opening vind ik een goede samenvatting: || || De maker van een wegenkaart kan alleen dan aanspraak maken op || auteursrechtelijke bescherming indien sprake is van een zekere mate || van originaliteit en

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 15:20, Maarten Deen schreef: On Tue, 18 May 2010 15:08:28 +0200, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 15:00, Maarten Deen schreef: Maar dat betekent niet dat de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Vincent Zweije
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 03:00:54PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: || Nee, waarom? Daar staat dat topografische gegevens niet auteursrechterlijk || beschermd kunnen worden. Dus als de gemeente een straat aanlegt en benoemt, || kunnen zij niet claimen dat zij auteursrecht op de ligging van de straat

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread Andre Engels
2010/5/18 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com: Rob wrote: Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Zijn er btw nog andere rechten van toepassing ? Dat is ook mijn vraag: wat met het databankrecht? Daar is geen creativiteit in het werk bij nodig. En als het databankrecht ook niet meetelt,

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Nee, alleen de easter eggs zijn origineel werk en beschermd. Correcte straatnamen niet ! Hoe de wet leidt to leugens !! Vive l'anarchie ;)) Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Maarten Deen Verzonden:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Nee, import mag nu ook, zolang het gaat om de fysieke Beschrijving van de publieke geo-data. Kleur lettertype spatiering, selectie an de rendering en groepering Zijn origineel werk en beschermd. Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Ja, dat noemen we schakelbewijs, en waar dat toe leidt Hebben we gezien bij Lucia Berk Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Maarten Deen Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 15:20 Aan: OpenStreetMap NL

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
I've managed to convert most of the relevant information from the ACMA spread sheet and convert it to OSM format using nodes and relations, including start and end dates for temporary licenses. So the question now is what to do with the data, there is 2,152 locations and 7,633

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
Sorry forgot to attach a sample tower for comments on the tags I used. sample.osm Description: Binary data ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] ga.gov.au website

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
I was just on ga.gov.au and saw this notice on the bottom of the page: Unless otherwise noted, all Geoscience Australia material on this website is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Australia Licence. http://www.ga.gov.au/geodesy/argn/

Re: [Talk-br] Virada Hacker com OSM

2010-05-18 Thread Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
Acho que o Vitor vai colocar um resumo no wiki ou blog, mas pra adiantar, pessoalmente achei muito legal. Na verdade acho que falamos pra mais gente de fora esse fim de semana do que esses anos todos que estamos envolvidos em São Paulo. E não só é questão de números, das mais ou menos 20 a 30

Re: [Talk-br] Importação dos dados da prefeitura do Rio de Janeiro

2010-05-18 Thread Vitor George
Parabéns pelo trabalho, Arlindo! Vou postar no twitter do mapaslivres os avanços da importação. Tenta ver se vc consegue criar um usuário específico para a importação destes dados. Abs, Vitor 2010/5/18 Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com Perguntei na talk@ e deram o pulo do

Re: [Talk-br] Importação dos dados da prefeitura d o Rio de Janeiro

2010-05-18 Thread Arlindo Pereira
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Import%20IPP%20Rio%20de%20Janeiro/edits []s Em 18 de maio de 2010 10:49, Arlindo Pereira arli...@clavis.com.br escreveu: Boa! Não tinha pensado nisso. []s -- Arlindo Pereira Analista de Segurança Grupo Clavis Segurança da Informação

[Talk-de] http://betaplace.emaitie.de - offline ?

2010-05-18 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! ich ziehe mir für die Wegekarten immer die GPX-Dateien von http://betaplace.emaitie.de über die betreffende ID. Jetzt bekomme ich allerdings keinen Zugriff - weiß einer von Euch mehr bzw. gibt es eine alternative um die GPX-Dateien zu ziehen ? Gruß Jan :-)

Re: [Talk-de] http://betaplace.emaitie.de - offline ?

2010-05-18 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 18.05.2010 08:44, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Moin ! ich ziehe mir für die Wegekarten immer die GPX-Dateien von http://betaplace.emaitie.de über die betreffende ID. Jetzt bekomme ich allerdings keinen Zugriff - weiß einer von Euch mehr bzw. gibt es eine alternative um die GPX-Dateien zu

[Talk-de] allgmeines zur Geocodierung

2010-05-18 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hi! ich habe mir mal wieder die Adresscodierung mittels nominatim vorgenommen. Hier am Beispiel der Arcissstraße 32 in München. http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?q=arcisstra%C3%9Fe+32+M%C3%BCnchenviewbox=-246.1%2C84.11%2C246.1%2C-78.02 Wenn man die URL absetzt, dann kommen mehrere

Re: [Talk-de] http://betaplace.emaitie.de - offline ?

2010-05-18 Thread Andre Joost
Am 18.05.10 08:44, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Moin ! ich ziehe mir für die Wegekarten immer die GPX-Dateien von http://betaplace.emaitie.de über die betreffende ID. Jetzt bekomme ich allerdings keinen Zugriff - weiß einer von Euch mehr bzw. gibt es eine alternative um die GPX-Dateien zu

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland

2010-05-18 Thread Peter Körner
Raimond Spekking schrieb: Am 17.05.2010 21:51, schrieb Markus: Gibt es denn irgendwo eine entsprechende (freie) Geo-Namen-DB? Sofern es keine freie Geo-Namen-DB gibt, würde ich auf die Interwiki-Links in der Wikipedia zurückgreifen. Am Beispiel Köln

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland

2010-05-18 Thread Peter Körner
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Ich würde also schon eine Unterscheidung erwarten in Namen, die allgemein auf deutsch üblich sind, und solchen, die im Rahmen von Eroberungen nur für kurze Zeit in Gebrauch waren. Dem on the ground Ansatz folgend, würde ich name:de generell nur für Namen

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland - Schrift

2010-05-18 Thread Markus
Hallo Martin, Wir brauchen ein Attribut für *Sprache* und eines für *Schrift* und zwar in den jeweiligen Kombinationen. soweit ich weiss, ist Schrift kein Problem, da wir utf codieren _Schrift darstellen_ Schriften darstellen ist mit UTF-8 problemlos. _Schrift übertragen_ Die Schwierigkeit

Re: [Talk-de] AIO keine Adressen mehr

2010-05-18 Thread Georg Feddern
Moin, Matthias Versen schrieb: Walter Nordmann wrote: NKIN Nein zu der Absicht oder ob Du es bestätigen kannst ? das sollte durch das K eigentlich eindeutig sein. Das andere wäre ja NIEN gewesen ... ;-) Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland - Schrift

2010-05-18 Thread Gerrit
Am 18.05.2010 15:19, schrieb Markus: Hallo Martin, Das ist ein hochkomplexes Gebiet. Ich verstehe davon nichts. Da müssen Fachleute ran. Hier gibt es auch keine Möglichkeit, das zu erfassen was man sieht, denn auf dem Orsschild sieht man immer nur die vor Ort gerade gültige Schrift.

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland

2010-05-18 Thread Thomas Ineichen
Hallo Markus, Sollte /auf der Standard-OSM-Karte/ nur in Ausnahmefällen in anderssprachigen Orten verwendet werden: - bilinguale Orte: Genf (CH) - DE/CH/AT-staatlich anerkannte Schreibweise: Rom, Paris (Exonym)) Keinesfalls in früher deutschsprachigen Orten (Imperialismus). Ich glaube, Du

Re: [Talk-de] http://betaplace.emaitie.de - offline ?

2010-05-18 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 18.05.2010 09:12, schrieb Andre Joost: Am 18.05.10 08:44, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Moin ! ich ziehe mir für die Wegekarten immer die GPX-Dateien von http://betaplace.emaitie.de über die betreffende ID. Jetzt bekomme ich allerdings keinen Zugriff - weiß einer von Euch mehr bzw. gibt es

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland - Schrift

2010-05-18 Thread Markus
Hallo Gerrit, danke für Deine Erläuterungen und Ergänzungen! von Land zu Land unterschiedlich, auch von Sprache zu Sprache. Wir brauchen also (in vielen Fällen) einen Dreifachschlüssel: Land, Sprache, Schrift. Beispiel: name:CH:de:latn=Biel name:CH:fr:latn=Bienne In China/Taiwan gibt es

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland - name:de

2010-05-18 Thread Markus
Hallo Gerrit, Martin, Frederik, Unterscheidung in Namen, die allgemein auf deutsch üblich sind, und solchen, die im Rahmen von Eroberungen nur für kurze Zeit in Gebrauch waren. Dem on the ground Ansatz folgend, würde ich name:de generell nur für Namen verwenden, die heute Üblich sind. +1

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland

2010-05-18 Thread Markus
Hallo Raimond, Sofern es keine freie Geo-Namen-DB gibt, würde ich auf die Interwiki-Links in der Wikipedia zurückgreifen. Ja, Interwiki-Links und OSM können einander gut ergänzen. Wäre dann aber sinnvoll, sich auf gemeinsame Regeln zu einigen (sonst braucht man womöglich noch einen

Re: [Talk-de] allgmeines zur Geocodierung

2010-05-18 Thread Peter Körner
Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Wenn man die URL absetzt, dann kommen mehrere Rückmeldungen. Weiß einer wie andere dann vorgehen um am besten die Adresse finden zu können ?? Ich nehme einfach die erste, das ist die mit der besten Trefferquote. Lg, Peter

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland

2010-05-18 Thread Florian Gross
Raimond Spekking glaubte zu wissen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/20953083 sieht man das recht gut [...] BTW: wofür steht denn game:patrizier2:fleisch=1 in dem Node? Das hat IMO mit http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrizier_%28Computerspiel%29 zu tun und ich wüßte nicht, was *das* Zeug

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland - Schrift

2010-05-18 Thread Gerrit
Am 18.05.2010 16:48, schrieb Markus: Hallo Gerrit, danke für Deine Erläuterungen und Ergänzungen! von Land zu Land unterschiedlich, auch von Sprache zu Sprache. Wir brauchen also (in vielen Fällen) einen Dreifachschlüssel: Land, Sprache, Schrift. Beispiel: name:CH:de:latn=Biel

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland - Schrift

2010-05-18 Thread Raimond Spekking
Am 18.05.2010 10:48, schrieb Markus: Hallo Gerrit, danke für Deine Erläuterungen und Ergänzungen! von Land zu Land unterschiedlich, auch von Sprache zu Sprache. Wir brauchen also (in vielen Fällen) einen Dreifachschlüssel: Land, Sprache, Schrift. Beispiel: name:CH:de:latn=Biel

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland - Schrift

2010-05-18 Thread Markus
Hallo Raimond, hallo Gerrit, Danke für die vielen Informationen! Ich bin gespannt, wie wir das alles zu einem verständlichen und nachvollziehbaren Schema zusammenbauen können. Wir haben: Schriftsystem: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15924 Sprache: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639 Land:

Re: [Talk-de] Viele Punkte

2010-05-18 Thread Heiko Jacobs
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: dadurch wird die history sabotiert, weil der Zugang extrem erschwert wird und die Verlaufsinformationen nicht mehr am eigentlichen Objekt hängen. Apropos history ... Nicht wirklich nachvollziehbar wird die auch bei Fusion oder Trennung von ways. Hat sich da schon

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland - Schrift

2010-05-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Markus wrote: Danke für die vielen Informationen! Ich bin gespannt, wie wir das alles zu einem verständlichen und nachvollziehbaren Schema zusammenbauen können. Ich weise darauf hin, dass es durchaus auch denkbar waere, verschiedene Namen eines Objekts *nicht* in OSM selbst, sondern

Re: [Talk-de] Rendering vom Ausland - Schrift

2010-05-18 Thread Raimond Spekking
Am 18.05.2010 14:01, schrieb Markus: Und die Schrift ergibt sich immer eindeutig aus der Sprache? Nein, siehe den nächsten Abschnitt. Ja, das wäre dann viel einfacher. Das würde für Biel bedeuten: name=Biel/Bienne (da amtlicher Doppelname) name:de=Biel name:fr=Bienne Gibt es keine

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