[talk-au] Road corridors with no road - what access?

2023-12-10 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
When comparing satellite imagery and various maps on Vic Maps, you can find what seem to be road corridors that don't have roads in them. (I'm looking on https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/ and https://mapshare.vic.gov.au/mapsharevic/ and when you show parcel data you can see these linear areas

Re: [talk-au] Mapping tracks from Strava heatmap

2023-02-26 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
ut they've expired now. On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 at 22:10, Adam Horan wrote: > My view is also that Strava heatmaps are insufficient on their own to > prove a track. They do show that a reasonable number of people have passed > along a particular route in recent times. They don't pr

Re: [talk-au] Mapping tracks from Strava heatmap

2023-02-26 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
My view is also that Strava heatmaps are insufficient on their own to prove a track. They do show that a reasonable number of people have passed along a particular route in recent times. They don't prove a path or track, and they give no indication of permissions. However I did look for details

Re: [talk-au] suspicious edits in Victoria need reverting?

2022-07-31 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
There's a small chance that they're proposed roads, but most likely they're made up. I think all 3 changesets from this user need reverting. However the names are suitable for the areas where they've been added, so someone has put some work into it. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1082655836

Re: [talk-au] Water tanks as buildings?

2022-01-29 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Water tanks are a pain to tag, especially large ones that you'd like to be represented clearly on the map. I've done, this which gives you a visual indication of the size of the tank: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/47785839 building = storage_tank content = water man_made = storage_tank I've

[talk-au] Stealth import of beach names?

2021-12-02 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
In the last 2 weeks a handful of users have added or edited 182 beaches in Victoria. Each changeset contains 1 beach, there's a closed way for the beach and there's a name. The changeset will reference Bing or Esri World Imagery (Clarity) Beta as the imagery, and iD is used. The beach drawn

Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

2021-11-25 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Are these emergency markers created and maintained by the Puffing Billy Railway? If not they might be sharing a dataset with you that they don't have permission to share for this purpose? Adam On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 16:24, wrote: > Maybe just create a simple page on the wiki describing what

Re: [talk-au] M11 naming

2021-11-25 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
se is sourced correctly, we need to collect > street naming from on-the-ground surveys, compatible imagery providers, and > any other compatible licence sources. > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 00:07, Adam Horan wrote: > >> The existing southern end of this road which was known thr

Re: [talk-au] M11 naming

2021-11-22 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
The existing southern end of this road which was known through construction as 'Peninsula Link', and is mapped as such now, should probably also be called 'Mornington Peninsula Freeway.' See relation https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/12622680#map=12/-38.1791/145.1193 and ways within. Here is

Re: [talk-au] Is it a fence?

2021-11-15 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
The golf fence is 14-15 times higher than the white fence along the bottom (counting pixels). If the bottom white fence is 2m high, then the golf fence is ~30m high. I'd agree that it's a fence. However it's also a net in the sky... so perhaps skynet? On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 at 20:50, Andrew

Re: [talk-au] Lifeguards & "Swim Between the Flags"

2021-10-20 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
a way of saying that the lifeguards are where the flags are? > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 15:49, Adam Horan wrote: > >> Flag position will vary daily based on weather conditions, tides, rips, >> proximity to the toilets, other stuff? >> &g

Re: [talk-au] Lifeguards & "Swim Between the Flags"

2021-10-19 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Flag position will vary daily based on weather conditions, tides, rips, proximity to the toilets, other stuff? I think you'd just need to mark the whole beach. Adam On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 15:04, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Thanks everybody! > > In response to a couple of points ... > > No,

Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

2021-10-19 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
The original changeset that introduced this marker and at least one other is from 12 years ago and unsourced. In changeset https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/1630681 MOR549 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429407301 MOR507 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429407299 In

Re: [talk-au] Lifeguards & "Swim Between the Flags"

2021-10-19 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Surf Lifesaving have a website and app that contains this information along with much more. When things are patrolled, risks, facilities etc https://beachsafe.org.au/beach/qld/rockhampton/yeppoon/yeppoon On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 11:05, Ben Kelley wrote: > Hi. > > In my experience, the actual

Re: [talk-au] Path discussion tagging guidelines

2021-10-13 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
I'd say it does, except I think there was a desire not to universally tag bicycle=yes/no on footway, given it's broadly redundant information. This should be derived from tags applied at a State level. But retaining bicycle=no if there was an explicit sign forbidding cycling. The only other

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-13 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Is this something that could be pushed to maproulette? Not as reversions, but tasks to validate or update OSM entries that match a pattern - eg edited by this user and now has bicycle=no, highway=footway etc? On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 16:56, Andrew Harvey wrote: > I guess there would be nearly 0%

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-12 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
I can't help with JOSM on mac, or with reverting specifically. I would suggest caution with the reversion process though, there are plenty of ways that have been edited multiple times by HighRouleur. Spotting these and knowing how far back to revert to might be tricky I guess? eg

Re: [talk-au] Mapping tree cover

2021-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Adam On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 11:33, Adam Horan wrote: > I think you're asking the same question as Andrew, but you possibly have > different viewpoints or opinions on it. > > I see the map as a painting that's becoming more detailed and accurate as > time progresses. In th

Re: [talk-au] Basic question

2021-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
int. And equally, it'd be unlikely for natural=wood and > natural=scrub to overlap. > On 8/10/21 8:36 am, Adam Horan wrote: > > That's probably a good rule of thumb, although with the addition of same > type and 'level'. > > Admin boundaries overlap and nest all the time, but you wo

Re: [talk-au] Basic question

2021-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
wrote: > My understanding is that areas should not overlap only where they are of a > similar type. Areas of natural=wood and boundary=national_park aren't > similar and so it's fine for them to overlap. > On 8/10/21 6:25 am, Adam Horan via Talk-au wrote: > > "Where someth

Re: [talk-au] Mapping tree cover

2021-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
I think you're asking the same question as Andrew, but you possibly have different viewpoints or opinions on it. I see the map as a painting that's becoming more detailed and accurate as time progresses. In the beginning the map was blank, and people added large areas of landcover just to get

Re: [talk-au] Basic question

2021-10-07 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan via Talk-au
"Where something like the boundaries of a State Park and a forested area are not the same." I'd say that this is common and expected, and should be handled with separate areas. I feel it's very much the old style of mapping to put 'natural=wood' on a park admin boundary. Adam On Fri, 8 Oct

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
ou have indicated below > or a should be be shared path where bikes=designated ? > > Visually it’s much easier to see a shared path rather than to review the > tags for permissions. > > regards, > > Sebastian > > On 5 Oct 2021, at 10:28 am, Adam Horan wrote: > > 

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Hi Kim, highway = pedestrian is for pedestrianised roads/areas rather then footpaths/sidewalks/pavements for those I think the current tag is highway=footway. bridleway isn't in use in Australia much for the path types we're discussing here. I'd prefer a normal footpath to be highway=footway -

Re: [talk-au] Searching for tags?

2021-10-04 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
For super powered searching you need https://overpass-turbo.eu/ On the bottom right of the wiki page is a link to overpass which will embed a simple query for the tag key-value. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dslipway The query can be modified to search a wider area, but

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
It is coming through Philip, but I think you've replied to a digest message and so it's been grouped/threaded differently. I think what you've said is really useful, and i hope everyone in the main thread has read it :) On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 15:54, Philip Mallis wrote: > Hi all, > > > > (not

Re: [talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags

2021-09-18 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
I think I've tried to contact this user before. However when I wanted to contact them it was for the opposite problem, they were putting bicycle=yes on paths that didn't allow cycling. I have only ever seen changeset comments of 'updates' , and I don't think I've seen a source referenced other

[talk-au] FYI Public Records VIC - Map Warper

2021-09-06 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
As a group of people interested in Australia, Maps, crowdsourcing and open data, I'm going to assume you'll also be interested in Map Warper. It's an online tool allowing alignment and rectification of old (any really) maps to reality. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapWarper I've been

Re: [talk-au] New Bing imagery?

2021-09-05 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
t; Nowadays, what is the best way to track: > > - How old the imagery is? > > - Where the latest update is available? > > - Zoom level availability? > > > Cheers > On 2/9/21 9:08 am, Adam Horan wrote: > > I can't see it in the suburbs of Melbourne yet. :(

Re: [talk-au] New Bing imagery?

2021-09-01 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
I can't see it in the suburbs of Melbourne yet. :( However they are now marking National Parks clearly in the normal map mode (not that it helps us), and they seem to have a new detailed terrain model. The hill shading on some sand quarries near me is much more detailed and accurate than I recall

Re: [talk-au] Tracks flagged as missing from government data

2021-08-16 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
I've done some spot checks on the VIC priority, and I see they're also included in the Track VIC challenge. Although the 316 in VIC Priority will be a small dent in the 249850 in Tracks VIC. Many of the ones in Tracks VIC seem to be driveways (certainly in the Melbourne periphery that I scanned

Re: [talk-au] Data challenges in Maproulette for AU territories

2021-08-02 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
e: Contents of Talk-au digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Data challenges in Maproulette for AU territories > (Oisin Herriott (Insight Global Inc)) >2. Re: Celebrating 17 years of OSM (Edoardo Neerhut) >3. Re: Roads in Industrial Estates: Re

Re: [talk-au] Problems setting up MapRoulette Challenge

2021-07-28 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
y again later & see > how we go? > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 at 13:04, Adam Horan wrote: > >> Graeme, >> >> The data source you pasted in doesn't return any tasks... I think it's >> the quoting around "bui

Re: [talk-au] Problems setting up MapRoulette Challenge

2021-07-28 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
ot;]; out geom ; I modified it to this, and now get a few buildings. I also dropped the building=yes as some of the buildings with the layers tag have things like building=school. Adam On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 at 12:23, Adam Horan wrote: > Is the challenge status Finished? You might need to

Re: [talk-au] Problems setting up MapRoulette Challenge

2021-07-28 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 at 11:37, Adam Horan wrote: > >> There's a discoverable slider in the Project >> > > The Challenge was set to Discoverable but the Project wasn't, so that's > now hopefully fixed that one as now showing OK (at least to me?) >

Re: [talk-au] Problems setting up MapRoulette Challenge

2021-07-28 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
There's a discoverable slider in the Project https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/3119 and also each challenge has a discoverable setting. In the challenge list this is an eye symbol which is either open or has a line through it. Are there tasks listed in the challenge? On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 at

Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

2021-07-27 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Jul 2021 at 14:59, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 16:57, Adam Horan wrote: > >> I'd assumed I was talking to a guru! >> > > I'd love to know where you get that idea ‽ :-) > > Yeah, I'm OK on OSM, but that's about it, especial

Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

2021-07-27 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
quota blocks so many times in the last few days trying to get these queries working at all and then semi-efficiently. Adam On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 16:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 18:45, Adam Horan wrote: > >> I've created them in MapRoulette - qu

Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

2021-07-26 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
@ Graeme - I've created them in MapRoulette - quite good fun really :) (Adding each state now.) On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 15:43, Adam Horan wrote: > I'll see how many there are, and also work out how to setup something in > maproulette :) > > Re commercial. There's many more residen

Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

2021-07-25 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Jul 2021 at 15:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 14:00, Adam Horan wrote: > >> >> I've worked out an overpass query to find these, and I'll do some manual >> changes of residential to unclassified. >> >> I'm also assuming the

Re: [talk-au] Roads in Industrial Estates: Residential, Unclassified or Service?

2021-07-25 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 18:04, Adam Horan wrote: > >> >> Tagging them as residential just *seems* wrong to me. >> > > Agree with you entirely! > > Out of the other options, =unclassified is the best choice, with =service > b

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-19 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
PSMA/Geoscape isn't Australia Post. AusPost will sell you a list of postcodes mapped to Localities, and with a lat/long reference for a single point within the postcode. They don't sell a shapefile. https://postcode.auspost.com.au/product_display.html?id=4 The AusPost sample data is: PCode

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-17 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
The ABS have an interesting factsheet on postcodes and their own 'Postal Area' interpretation (POA). https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/factsheetspoa It starts with this statement: *"A postcode is a four digit number used by Australia Post to assist with mail delivery. Australia

Re: [talk-au] Kathmandu + OSM

2019-12-02 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
The tiles seem to be coming from tile.osm.org - i thought that was a no-no ? Might depend on whether their site counts as 'heavy usage' https://operations.osmfoundation.org/policies/tiles/ ? I feel they do deserve some credit for actually using OSM rather than google maps (although they do use

Re: [talk-au] Uluru naming consistency

2019-10-28 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
I prefer the first proposal from Joachim: name = Uluṟu name:en = Uluru name:pjt = Uluṟu alt_name = Ayers Rock alt_name:en = Ayers Rock official_name = Uluru / Ayers Rock official_name:en = Uluru / Ayers Rock I suggest putting 'Ayers Rock' in alt_name instead of old_name. If you think about it

Re: [talk-au] tagging old railway stations - what is the agreed approach

2019-10-19 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
For ones that do not exist at all I have modified some near me to railway:historic station_site which was recommended to me some time back. Example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4395763814/history If there's a building there, and it's no longer acting as an actual station then I'd also

Re: [talk-au] Discussion J: regionalisation of editor presets

2019-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
I believe the request is: Request: *For all regions of the world that have their own road rules, mapping standards/conventions, to enhance the common editors to support region specific tagging. Additionally have the editor identify which region you are editing in and switch to the correct

Re: [talk-au] Discussion F: landuse=residential

2019-09-29 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
*# Discussion F: landuse=residential* *...* *QUESTION* *How is the best way to approach this? * *I welcome your comments.* Herbert.Remi This is the fifth in your 'discussion' series, and prior to that you presented two 'Topics' and 3 or more other long emails. *However you have yet to respond

Re: [talk-au] Discussion B: three shades of green

2019-09-25 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Hi, Do you have a specific question? Send us a link to a way or changeset rather than handwaving towards 20sq km of map, I have no idea where on that map i'm meant to look. As a guide to asking better questions: make it short, make it specific, show that you've done some homework first, make it

Re: [talk-au] play ground locations and much more from open data source but how?

2019-08-18 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
It looks like CCBY 4 licence, which I thought needed additional permissions to use? Adam On Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 7:44 pm Mateusz Konieczny, wrote: > > > > 18 Aug 2019, 03:07 by talk-au@openstreetmap.org: > > how to do this? > > I want to upload the play ground locations to OSM. > > There is

Re: [talk-au] Suspicious or disallowed sources

2019-06-16 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
got the outlines from – there may be some other ‘open’ source that he >> has used. >> >> >> >> Cheers - Phil >> >> >> >> *From:* Adam Horan [mailto:aho...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Monday, 17 June 2019 1:26 PM >> *To:* OpenStreetMap-AU Ma

[talk-au] Suspicious or disallowed sources

2019-06-16 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Hi, I've been around a while, but don't join in the chat much :) A new user has added contributed some data via iD editor, and the source is listed as Bing Imagery. However the imagery doesn't show the features that have been added as they're too new. (I've checked through all other imagery

Re: [talk-au] Parks Vic data

2017-02-10 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
I've had a look at CAPAD, and the statement from the department merely seems to be a restatement that it's CC-BY: *"OpenStreetMap can use CAPAD 2014 under the CC-BY licence conditions without any extra permissions from the department or from the contributing agencies."* To my reading this is

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

2017-02-07 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
08-Feb-17 11:31 AM, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > park=pipeline_reserve > > > > On 08/02/17 10:29, Adam Horan wrote: > > My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline reserves. > > I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public access > for walk

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

2017-02-07 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
com> wrote: > park=pipeline_reserve > > > > On 08/02/17 10:29, Adam Horan wrote: > > My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline reserves. > > I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public access > for walking at least. (One l

[talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

2017-02-07 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline reserves. I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public access for walking at least. (One local one has a sign disallowing golf...) Some others appear to be across private land, and i'm less interested in those, I'd

Re: [talk-au] Parks Vic data

2017-02-07 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
I have often wondered where the existing National Park data comes from. In general it seems to exist in OSM in quite high fidelity however the boundaries are usually not evident on the ground or imagery. Yet whenever I've looked back through histories I can't find any reasonable source or

Re: [talk-au] DataSet: Victoria: Parks and Conservation Reserves

2015-10-22 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
ced" > > Wish I had not downloaded a lump of it, they can now come and inspect any > of my property or computers to make sure I haven’t got too many copies or > what ever. Must say, not a very open release of data IMHO. > > David > > > > On 21/10/15 11:20, A

Re: [talk-au] DataSet: Victoria: Parks and Conservation Reserves

2015-10-22 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
C license would be sufficed, it seems it has to be > Public Domain or explicitly granted such as this license from Mapbox: > > https://www.mapbox.com/tos/#[YmtIyw] > > > > Nathanael Coyne (Boehm) > > www.purecaffeine.com > > Canberra, Australia > 0431 698 580 >

[talk-au] DataSet: Victoria: Parks and Conservation Reserves

2015-10-20 Diskussionsfäden Adam Horan
Hi All, https://www.data.vic.gov.au/data/dataset/parks-and-conservation-reserves I'm trying to understand if this datasource is covered by the existing permissions that are referenced on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia I see on that page that data has been incorporated