Re: [Talk-it] open expo 2015
perfetto, quindi forse riusciamo ad avere le immagini esterne aggiornate...personalemnte puntavo su l'uso dei progetti e dei render ma questa idea mi sembra migliore Sarebbe bellissimo se si riuscisse a fare anche l'indoor e il 3d mapping...avessi le planimetrie ricalcabili mi offrirei volontario per fare l'indoormapping di alcuni degli edifici... Ve lo immaginate se si riuscisse a mettere insieme una mappa parallela e alternativa a quella ufficiale che offra foto aeree, out/indoor routing, mappa 3d, mappa ortogonale e streetview (con Mapillary)?...peccato che a parte palazzo Italia e qualche altra opera tutto il resto venga smantellato entro un anno :( - Ciao, Aury -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/open-expo-2015-tp5817169p5832813.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Idea!
I'm already doing this, so you have my interest. Not exactly sure who the customers would be. Also, you say we would be remunerated and at the same time OSM Belgium gets funding. Those customers must have deep pockets, or I must have misunderstood. :-) Anyway, it sounds like a good idea. I'll start to make a wishlist of Garmin Virb and powerbanks, I'd love to obtain to seed Mapillary with photos... Jo 2015-02-08 10:01 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com: Hi All, I have a new idea to get some funding for OpenStreetMap-Belgium. Our biggest problem is that we have no budget to organize anything at the moment (I'm funding most things out of my own pocket still except part of the missing maps party). This idea may also grow into an actual business based on OSM later. Anyway, I'm just asking here for some people who are willing to either: - Do some scripting/programming with the purpose of quality checks in OSM. This can be complex stuff like public transit route relations, bicyle route networks, addressing but also more simple stuff like basic POI information. - Write messages to fellow mappers (with another useraccount, not your own) to help them after they make mistakes or help them to map better in the future. You would actually get paid for this if I find customers. I'm pretty sure I will. If you are maybe willing to help out let me know. The details of the plans are a bit fuzzy at the moment. I'm just trying to get an idea of the one thing always limiting me, people willing to join in. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [Talk-de] Wieder einmal lcn Sammelrelationen
Moin, Am 07.02.2015 um 11:20 schrieb Michael Reichert: Hallo, Am 2015-02-06 um 19:21 schrieb Manuel Reimer: On 02/06/2015 02:43 PM, Norbert Renner wrote: Zumindest im Bodenseekreis [1] sind das nicht nur allgemeine Richtungsweiser, sondern es sind konkrete, für Radfahrer besonders geeignete Verbindungen ausgeschildert, mit kleinen Richtungspfeilen an jeder Abzweigung [2]. Das ist eine Meinung eines Landkreises welche Wege besonders geeignet sein *könnten*. Jemand anderes könnte wieder andere Meinungen haben. Machen wir dann für alle diese Möglichkeiten Relationen? In Karlsruhe gibt es im Stadtgebiet (wie auch im Umland) diese grün-weißen Radroutenschilder. Es sind keine Routen (also mit Symbolen und Namen wie Albtalradweg, sondern einfach das Fahrrad-Äquivalent zu den Pkw-Wegweisern). Beispiel: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/_Fe4KAuHVBlr0aZwgGLxoQ [1] Zwischendrin gibt es aber Schilder, die lediglich angeben, wo die Route entlang führt, ohne eine Nennung des Ziels. Der entscheidende Unterschied ist aus meiner Sicht, dass die Route in Wirklichkeit selbst ein Netz ist. Als wir das in Bremen diskutiert hatten, habe ich deshalb lange überlegt, ob die Route wirklich eine Route sei, weil sie nicht von A nach B geht, keine Anfangs- und Zielpunkte hat. Nur am Rande: Routen können nun einmal auch Alternativrouten haben und das hätte diese Route beliebig viele. Ich habe vorgestern bei einigen dieser Strecken lcn=yes an den Ways ergänzt, eine Routenrelation fände ich jedoch übertrieben, denn die Routen sind sparsam ausgeschildert. Bei lcn=yes sehe ich das Problem, dass man nicht weiß, weshalb der getaggte Weg nun diesen Tag trägt. Schließlich weiß man es ja, wenn man das systematisch erfasst. Bzw. man kann es herausbekommen, wenn man nachfragt. Scheinbar ist in Deutschland die Gestaltung der Schilder auch relativ ähnlich. Aber grundsätzlich fände ich es interessant eine gute Umsetzung mit Hilfe von lcn=* zu sehen. LG Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-br] Tag para lojas de bolos
Eu estava usando shop=bakery, mas não é muito adequada pois não vende pão. A tag shop=confectionery não é para confeitarias, mas sim loja de doces. Da wikipedia: Baker, a person who produces baked goods Veja que o termo não tem a ver com pão, mas sim com produzir produtos assados num forno. Bakery não é à rigor um lugar onde se faz pão, ao contrário do que implica o termo padaria (ou o horroroso panificadora) em português. Eu deixaria bakery e colocaria uma note ou description dando mais detalhes. abraço Gerald ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 08/02/2015 14:28, demon.box ha scritto: come si taggano correttamente le fontanelle e le fontane. fontanella cioè semplice colonnina di metallo amenity=drinking_water fontana (spesso antica) con acqua potabile amenity=fountain drinking_water=yes fontana solo decorativa senza acqua potabile amenity=fountain drinking_water=no e questi punti acqua (vengono ufficialmente chiamati proprio così) che offrono acqua gasata, naturale e fredda disseminati in tutta la provincia? http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5832829/90716_71788_resize_597_334.jpg li taggo anche questi così? amenity=fountain drinking_water=yes name=Punto acqua grazie, ciao --enrico Anche historic=monument per quello della foto. - -- Simone Girardelli _|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_ |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJU12g6AAoJEMTPIIVov0Ztb1IH/RFO3nIcmYm4vCAvVsyM2wW5 PCYkrbMjaEUAjDLIwy86SGJah266OlfIHMPZqwxTYTp6sBDpO4shCAFdmaIygcM6 jplGKHb49seYopGdxc+AXP+gWnUCPsDp8YkkJLJm9ZwPHvIAGgluh4dnzoF0QwkP pFQmf5U89ZaC+18oQxjpi160GiKiCRRUqM8IFW0tA6f2THxPU0xT0YbY1hZoJMe6 CmtdGChsBr9Eo0fnOb6lzIyRfHTLI7o2ah1sfBb40y3hSX3PFTcMRpoxXUrRTF3M 35HUrUExi6FnRlP5GAeLSqPWbEfgPOPjUfVlF1d9y262Fq+MVfjhLYS8wbdLFaY= =0QxV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
historic=monument anche se si tratta di costruzioni al massimo di qualche anno? (4/5 anni al massimo) girarsi_liste wrote Anche historic=monument per quello della foto. - -- Simone Girardelli _|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_ |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJU12g6AAoJEMTPIIVov0Ztb1IH/RFO3nIcmYm4vCAvVsyM2wW5 PCYkrbMjaEUAjDLIwy86SGJah266OlfIHMPZqwxTYTp6sBDpO4shCAFdmaIygcM6 jplGKHb49seYopGdxc+AXP+gWnUCPsDp8YkkJLJm9ZwPHvIAGgluh4dnzoF0QwkP pFQmf5U89ZaC+18oQxjpi160GiKiCRRUqM8IFW0tA6f2THxPU0xT0YbY1hZoJMe6 CmtdGChsBr9Eo0fnOb6lzIyRfHTLI7o2ah1sfBb40y3hSX3PFTcMRpoxXUrRTF3M 35HUrUExi6FnRlP5GAeLSqPWbEfgPOPjUfVlF1d9y262Fq+MVfjhLYS8wbdLFaY= =0QxV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@ https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fontanelle-e-fontane-tp5832829p5832833.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-de] Wieder einmal lcn Sammelrelationen
Am 06.02.2015 um 19:21 schrieb Manuel Reimer: On 02/06/2015 02:43 PM, Norbert Renner wrote: Zumindest im Bodenseekreis [1] sind das nicht nur allgemeine Richtungsweiser, sondern es sind konkrete, für Radfahrer besonders geeignete Verbindungen ausgeschildert, mit kleinen Richtungspfeilen an jeder Abzweigung [2]. Das ist eine Meinung eines Landkreises welche Wege besonders geeignet sein *könnten*. Jemand anderes könnte wieder andere Meinungen haben. Machen wir dann für alle diese Möglichkeiten Relationen? Gilt das nicht für jede Rad-/Wanderroute? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wieder einmal lcn Sammelrelationen
Am 02.02.2015 um 19:43 schrieb Michael Reichert: Hallo, Am 2015-02-01 um 17:53 schrieb fly: Zumindest im Südwesten werden mal wieder alle Linien die einem lcn-Netzwerk angehören in Sammelrelationen gesteckt und diese wiederum sogar in Elternrelationen [1]. Hat sich da eine andere Philosophie durchgesetzt und sind solche Sammelrelationen mittlerweile akzeptiert ? Diese Sammelrelationen sind nicht nötig. Es gibt ja das Tag cycle_network=*, das ich soeben auf https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes gefunden habe. Es scheint zwar nur in den USA verwendet zu werden, aber das spricht nicht gegen die Verwendung von cycle_network=Radverkehrsnetz Landkreis Heilbronn. Sollte eine Routenrelation oder ein Wegweise mehreren Netzen angehören, kann man diese mit Semikolon trennen. Die Overpass-API unterstützt reguläre Ausdrücke, MapCSS, CartoCSS und Maperitive auch. Ich frage mich eigentlich, ob man solche Kreisradverkehrsnetze überhaupt mappen sollte. An den Radwegweisern ist mir bisher (in Baden-Württemberg) noch keine Netzangabe aufgefallen. We map what's on the ground? In NRW hat man die Radrouten mit ref=NRW. Das steht auch nicht auf den Schildern. Außerdem haben diese Relationen meist ein name-Tag. Ich würde auch bezweifeln, dass es einzelne Radrouten bzgl. der Kreise gibt. (Die Unterteilung in mehrere Relationen halte ich aber aus technischen Gründen für sinnvoll.) Man könnte also vielleicht besser die Tags ref=* und name=* weglassen und dafür dann cycle_network=* nutzen. Die Elternrelationen sind nicht wirklich wichtig. Auch aus technischer Sicht. Oder liege ich da falsch? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
come si taggano correttamente le fontanelle e le fontane. fontanella cioè semplice colonnina di metallo amenity=drinking_water fontana (spesso antica) con acqua potabile amenity=fountain drinking_water=yes fontana solo decorativa senza acqua potabile amenity=fountain drinking_water=no e questi punti acqua (vengono ufficialmente chiamati proprio così) che offrono acqua gasata, naturale e fredda disseminati in tutta la provincia? http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5832829/90716_71788_resize_597_334.jpg li taggo anche questi così? amenity=fountain drinking_water=yes name=Punto acqua grazie, ciao --enrico -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fontanelle-e-fontane-tp5832829.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[OSM-talk-be] Crane rails [was: Re Idea!]
On Sunday 08 February 2015 13:55:04 Glenn Plas wrote: I'm being paid to keep ArcelorMittal site in Zelzate up to date, I actually receive detailed plans from AM to accomplish this. Especially all their emergency exist are very important to them. Ah, I was wondering when I was redrawing all the railways in there (do I get some money now too? :-p ) how everything got so detailed in there that there had to be someone with inside information :-) One question though, I don't agree that those crane rails like these http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.1645/3.8031 should be tagged as railway=rail. I feel like there should be a special tag for them. Right now they're even more prominent on all the maps than the real railways, and in every railway themed map they're now seen as some proper railways... I used the tag man_made=rail for them, but you obviously don't like that one... Also, there are man_made=crane nodes on the location where you can see them in the AGIV imagery, but how can you map these when they actually move over the rails? Greetings Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.28.0
Dear all, Yesterday, v2.28.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been released and rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers. This version includes the following changes: * The tags amenity=dentist and amenity=townhall are now rendered. * The tag natural=lake, which has fallen in disuse, is no longer rendered. * New icons for amenity=fast_food, amenity=police, amenity=fire_station, amenity=bier_garden, amenity=theatre, amenity=drinking_water. * Slightly improved icons for amenity=restaurant, amenity=bar, amenity=cafe, amenity=embassy, tourism=picnic_site, tourism=picnic_table, amenity=prison, historic=memorial. * Waterways with intermittent=yes are now rendered dashed. * The tag highway=proposed is rendered less prominently. * Slightly change building colour and outline. * Labels for natural=glacier,sand,scree,shingle,bare_rock are now rendered from lower zoomlevels. For a full list of commits, see https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/compare/v2.27.0...v2.28.0 . As always, we welcome any bug reports at https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues. -- Matthijs ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] import / mech edit of some Aberdeen city council open data
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015, at 07:04 AM, Jo Walsh wrote: Ugh, okay, we had it from the horse's mouth so to speak that the license on the new CKAN catalogue would be OGL. I will sanity check this today. Sadly, the horse is over-optimistic, so to speak, on this topic. Aberdeen City Council plans a re-launch of its open data site, backed by a CKAN catalogue ( http://ckan.org/ ) and the same data will re-appear there, all re-licensed under the OGL. This is on a soonish timescale, so any attempt at an import, manual or otherwise, will have to wait until there is 150% license interop clarity. Ah well, worth socialising this issue on the list anyway I hope, sorry to take up time pre-emptively, zx ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-it] Tram in sede stradale
Ciao, Se i binari vanno completamente in promiscua con il traffico privato preferisco inserire il tag del tram direttamente nella way della strada, in quanto i binari fanno parte fisicamente di quella porzione di strada: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22886577 Altrimenti, se sempre su sede stradale ma la corsia è riservata solo al tram con apposita delimitazione fisica, lo mappo separatamente: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/223671082 Davio - Davide -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Tram-in-sede-stradale-tp5832578p5832824.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] open expo 2015
Non vorrei spegnere l'entusiasmo, ma tra il WMS e il 3D, mi sa che state un po' andando fuori dalla mia offerta ... A) per fare un WMS, servirebbe una ortofoto, ma non penso di averi i permessi di sorvolare l'EXPO ... B) per fare il 3D, serve una spece di laserscanner o kinect un po' modificato ... Io, oltre la mia richiesta che è stata un po' sottovalutata, invitavo a fare un mapping party nell'area EXPO e, insieme portavo il mio drone da 500€ che fa delle riprese più che decenti, da alzare in volo in qualche spiazzo un po' nascosto :-/ - - Le ultime dal mio blog: Perchè una mappa degli alberi? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/open-expo-2015-tp5817169p5832825.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-br] Tag para lojas de bolos
Em muitas cidades, tem crescido a quantidade de lojas de bolos e estou em dúvida sobre qual tag usar. Estas lojas de bolos vendem diversos tipos de bolos, não apenas bolos de aniversário. Eu estava usando shop=bakery, mas não é muito adequada pois não vende pão. A tag shop=confectionery não é para confeitarias, mas sim loja de doces. Encontrei no wiki shop=pastry (A shop where baked sweets like cakes, biscuits, strudel and pies are sold (and traditionally also made), que me parece a mais adequada: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dpastry O que acham? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Idea!
I'm being paid to keep ArcelorMittal site in Zelzate up to date, I actually receive detailed plans from AM to accomplish this. Especially all their emergency exist are very important to them. So there is a legit business case for these type of tasks. But it is an ongoing effort as from time to time, someone comes in and thinks I had it all wrong and changes my industrial (crane) rails into man_made=rail (whatever that last one is, it's not official). It gets a bit frustrating at time to keep an eye on it but the customer does pay. It took me 1 phone call to receive their site plans. That area was 1 giant landuse=industrial with no details. It was the biggest visible gap in belgium from higher zoomlevels. In fact the other site of the canal is still like AM site was before I started this. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/51.1630/3.7928 Glenn On 08-02-15 10:27, Jo wrote: I'm already doing this, so you have my interest. Not exactly sure who the customers would be. Also, you say we would be remunerated and at the same time OSM Belgium gets funding. Those customers must have deep pockets, or I must have misunderstood. :-) Anyway, it sounds like a good idea. I'll start to make a wishlist of Garmin Virb and powerbanks, I'd love to obtain to seed Mapillary with photos... ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
L'esempio per me non è una fountain (fontana). Mettererei: amenity=water_point drinking_water=yes fee=no (è gratis, suppongo) historic=yes tourism=attraction (in caso che sia una posto dove la gente viene da lontano per riempire le bottiglie)) name= nome della fontanella Poi aggiungerei anche la tettoia: un rettangolo con building=roof e layer=1 2015-02-08 14:44 GMT+01:00 girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 08/02/2015 14:28, demon.box ha scritto: come si taggano correttamente le fontanelle e le fontane. fontanella cioè semplice colonnina di metallo amenity=drinking_water fontana (spesso antica) con acqua potabile amenity=fountain drinking_water=yes fontana solo decorativa senza acqua potabile amenity=fountain drinking_water=no e questi punti acqua (vengono ufficialmente chiamati proprio così) che offrono acqua gasata, naturale e fredda disseminati in tutta la provincia? http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5832829/90716_71788_resize_597_334.jpg li taggo anche questi così? amenity=fountain drinking_water=yes name=Punto acqua grazie, ciao --enrico Anche historic=monument per quello della foto. - -- Simone Girardelli _|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_ |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJU12g6AAoJEMTPIIVov0Ztb1IH/RFO3nIcmYm4vCAvVsyM2wW5 PCYkrbMjaEUAjDLIwy86SGJah266OlfIHMPZqwxTYTp6sBDpO4shCAFdmaIygcM6 jplGKHb49seYopGdxc+AXP+gWnUCPsDp8YkkJLJm9ZwPHvIAGgluh4dnzoF0QwkP pFQmf5U89ZaC+18oQxjpi160GiKiCRRUqM8IFW0tA6f2THxPU0xT0YbY1hZoJMe6 CmtdGChsBr9Eo0fnOb6lzIyRfHTLI7o2ah1sfBb40y3hSX3PFTcMRpoxXUrRTF3M 35HUrUExi6FnRlP5GAeLSqPWbEfgPOPjUfVlF1d9y262Fq+MVfjhLYS8wbdLFaY= =0QxV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk-be] roadsigns plugin adapted for Belgium
In Finland they seem to think it's a good idea to also add the road signs themselves. I tend to agree with them, but trying to add them all, may not make sense, ofc as there are a gazillion of them. There are no applications making use of this information, but for us it would enable double checking why some ways have certain tags. In Finland they are also able to find where zones are 'leaking' and they report this back to the administrations, so it gets fixed. So I'm not saying we should aim to map all of them, but I still want it to be possible and convenient to add those that have our interest. So I've been working on the RoadSigns plugin to make sure it has data about the Belgian Road signs. The work is not done yet, but I think I was now able to add all the accompanying signs and all signs related to parking, of which there are surprisingly many! The way it works now, you'll have to remove the tags it adds, for those objects they don't apply to. I've made a few suggestions for improving the workflow, but it's unlikely those will be implemented anytime soon, except if I get my hands 'dirty' and do it myself... So the effect of the sign remains on the ways, and the (Belgian) code for the sign itself remains on the new node you created before using the plugin. If you don't check the tick box Traffic sign, that code won't be added and you don't have to remove any tags. The plugin then does what it was designed for, add the effect of the sign to the ways it applies to. What I'm not sure of, since it was an enormous task that I gravely underestimated, is whether all the tags, that are applied as an effect are actually correct. So the plugin needs testing. Or you can have a look at this wiki page, there may be obvious errors in it that jump out to you :-) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium/Road_signs_plugin Using the plugin is a bit more convenient though, as you can actually see the signs, instead of those codes. Oh, if you see that additional signs are missing from signs they can be next to, also report that please. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] roadsigns plugin adapted for Belgium
In fact, it's because Mapillary has started recognising street signs that I've started to look into how we would map them. Their recognition is still in its infancy, which is understandable as they want to be able to recognise them all over the world. They even created a specialised font for them! Since a few days, it became possible to give feedback about the recognised signs. That in turn was part of the motivation to complete that xml file further. So they have an idea of what they're up against... The idea at Mapillary is to start keeping track of signs. Since the same sign can be in many pictures, it's the only thing that makes sense. I'm not sure how their processing works, but I guess they can use them as 'anchor' points. It's very likely we (OSM) will get access to this DB they are building. And then it starts to become possible to contemplate mapping them. I know about the dataset for Flanders, I'm pretty sure of it that we don't have access to it, nor will we 'amateurs' anytime soon, certainly not to redistribute it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try though... I'm convinced that in time there will be mutual benefit, even though at first the flow of information will mostly be in one direction only. So who wants to contact them? What would be totally awesome is, if we would be allowed access to these 360degree pictures they took every 5 meters to inventorise them. But I'm too cynical to believe in Santaclaus anymore... Anyway, if that were possible, then we could focus our attention to make Mapillary pictures of those places that can't be reached by car. Jo 2015-02-08 17:53 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: It's a good idea to map signs, but in general, It's difficult to survey the exact location of a sign. It's not visible from the air, so you need a picture with context to see where it's placed. That's possible for a few signs, but I fear we don't have enough man power to complete this for Belgium (certainly not because signs change often). Note that for Flanders, there's also an existing dataset: http://www.mobielvlaanderen.be/verkeersbordendatabank/index.php Though I haven't investigated the legality of using it, or the possibility to download it. If it would be possible to use a dataset like this (or if mapillary becomes very popular and gets sign recognition), then plugins for sign mapping would be very handy. Wrt your plugin, sometimes road signs aren't even correct. Like in my village, there's a fixed zone 30 and a variable zone 30, but they are connected. So if you come from the fixed one into the variable one, the maxspeed is still 30 (since you didn't see an end sign). But if you only drive through the variable part, you have a maxspeed of 30. So that's a very subtle form of bleeding: it only bleeds at certain times of the day. Then you have occasions of no-access signs being used instead of one-way signs, or the other way around. Anyway, I think it's an important step, but I fear there are more subtleties and more work than for addresses. Op 8-feb.-2015 11:48 schreef Jo winfi...@gmail.com: In Finland they seem to think it's a good idea to also add the road signs themselves. I tend to agree with them, but trying to add them all, may not make sense, ofc as there are a gazillion of them. There are no applications making use of this information, but for us it would enable double checking why some ways have certain tags. In Finland they are also able to find where zones are 'leaking' and they report this back to the administrations, so it gets fixed. So I'm not saying we should aim to map all of them, but I still want it to be possible and convenient to add those that have our interest. So I've been working on the RoadSigns plugin to make sure it has data about the Belgian Road signs. The work is not done yet, but I think I was now able to add all the accompanying signs and all signs related to parking, of which there are surprisingly many! The way it works now, you'll have to remove the tags it adds, for those objects they don't apply to. I've made a few suggestions for improving the workflow, but it's unlikely those will be implemented anytime soon, except if I get my hands 'dirty' and do it myself... So the effect of the sign remains on the ways, and the (Belgian) code for the sign itself remains on the new node you created before using the plugin. If you don't check the tick box Traffic sign, that code won't be added and you don't have to remove any tags. The plugin then does what it was designed for, add the effect of the sign to the ways it applies to. What I'm not sure of, since it was an enormous task that I gravely underestimated, is whether all the tags, that are applied as an effect are actually correct. So the plugin needs testing. Or you can have a look at this wiki page, there may be obvious errors in it that jump out to you :-)
[OSM-talk-be] Meers of Broek(land) of Wet Meadow(land) ?
Hallo, is er een mogelijkheid om nat,lager gelegen hooi- en/of landbouwgrond (meestal tegen een rivier of water) te taggen met 'meers' of 'broek' , want er bestaat eigenlijk bij mijn weten zo geen tag in OSM ? zie ook : http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meers_%28toponiem%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_meadow http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broek_%28landschap%29 Het woord ‘meers’, dat onder meer verwant is aan het Engelse ‘marsh’, betekent ‘vochtig grasland’. Een synoniem van ‘meers’ is ‘broek’, zoals in de plaatsnaam ‘Assebroek’. http://cmsnl.eghn.org/assebroek ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Meers of Broek(land) of Wet Meadow(land) ?
Zie http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dwetland Ik denk dus landuse=farmland/meadow + natural=wetland + wetland= wet_meadow/swamp Hoewel ik denk dat het vooral over weiland zal gaan, en minder over kweekgrond. Natte kweekgrond is immers enorm moeilijk te bewerken. Dus landuse=meadow + natural=wetland + wetland= wet_meadow Op 8-feb.-2015 19:06 schreef hvdb henk...@gmail.com: Hallo, is er een mogelijkheid om nat,lager gelegen hooi- en/of landbouwgrond (meestal tegen een rivier of water) te taggen met 'meers' of 'broek' , want er bestaat eigenlijk bij mijn weten zo geen tag in OSM ? zie ook : http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meers_%28toponiem%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_meadow http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broek_%28landschap%29 Het woord ‘meers’, dat onder meer verwant is aan het Engelse ‘marsh’, betekent ‘vochtig grasland’. Een synoniem van ‘meers’ is ‘broek’, zoals in de plaatsnaam ‘Assebroek’. http://cmsnl.eghn.org/assebroek ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Meers of Broek(land) of Wet Meadow(land) ?
On 08-02-15 18:05, hvdb wrote: Hallo, is er een mogelijkheid om nat,lager gelegen hooi- en/of landbouwgrond (meestal tegen een rivier of water) te taggen met 'meers' of 'broek' , want er bestaat eigenlijk bij mijn weten zo geen tag in OSM ? zie ook : http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meers_%28toponiem%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_meadow http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broek_%28landschap%29 Het woord ‘meers’, dat onder meer verwant is aan het Engelse ‘marsh’, betekent ‘vochtig grasland’. Een synoniem van ‘meers’ is ‘broek’, zoals in de plaatsnaam ‘Assebroek’. http://cmsnl.eghn.org/assebroek De vraag verdient respect, al was het maar omdat er best wat onderzoek aan voorafging. Hulde! Ik ben allesbehalve specialist, daarom slechts twee voorzichtige opmerkingen in de marge: -) etymologisch komt nl:meers dan misschien wel overeen met en:marsh, maar kwa betekenis is het inderdaad eerder en:meadow Voor mij duidt het aan de landen dicht aan de waterkant, die men bij hoge waterstand laat onderlopen om erger te voorkomen verderop. Meestal is dit weiland, een enkele keer ziet men er populieren of wilgen aangeplant. Langsheen bredere waterlopen zijn de meersen afgebakend met dijken, soms zelfs een zomer- en een winterdijk. Bv. in Hingene en Buitenland aan de Schelde; trouwens dat Buiten slaat op buiten de dijk heb ik me eens laten vertellen. -) tags in OSM: ik had toch begrepen dat men deze naar eigen inzicht kan toevoegen? De cruciale vraag is dan natuurlijk wat de diverse renderers daar verder mee doen. (PS mijn eigen ouderlijk huis was in de Ellebroecken - niet zo toevallig...) ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Crane rails [was: Re Idea!]
On 08-02-15 14:41, Ben Laenen wrote: On Sunday 08 February 2015 13:55:04 Glenn Plas wrote: I'm being paid to keep ArcelorMittal site in Zelzate up to date, I actually receive detailed plans from AM to accomplish this. Especially all their emergency exist are very important to them. Ah, I was wondering when I was redrawing all the railways in there (do I get some money now too? :-p ) how everything got so detailed in there that there had to be someone with inside information :-) I get money from a third party, I deal with AM daily but I don't send invoices to them directly :) One question though, I don't agree that those crane rails like these http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.1645/3.8031 should be tagged as railway=rail. I feel like there should be a special tag for them. Right now they're even more prominent on all the maps than the real railways, and in every railway themed map they're now seen as some proper railways... I used the tag man_made=rail for them, but you obviously don't like that one... I agree something dedicated would be better, but in essence, rails can be used for lots of things, they do not have to be a part of the transport system to be 'real'. They are real enough though. I actually put usage=industrial on it to differentiate but that has a bad side effect on the map that those rails get drawn darker than the regular once, that is not ideal. That bothers me that they are more visible than regular rails. But man_made=rail isn't used in OSM according to taginfo, nor is man_made=railway. The point is that a healty combination of tags should be able to describe this sort of rail being interpreted ( see https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/man_made=rail ). I was actually the first one to abuse man_made=rail on that area.., in fact I originally tagged them as such but I think I was wrong back then, for some reason I copied that tag thinking it was ok. Also, there are man_made=crane nodes on the location where you can see them in the AGIV imagery, but how can you map these when they actually move over the rails? Well, they are nodes on rails :) But I admit, it's indeed kind of difficult to tag those realistically so I tried marking them on the 'homebase'. It's not that important in fact, they are not drawn anyway on the standaard OSM style, just like the entrances in fact aren't shown, so we regularly extract those extra features using overpass and add them as layers in the map. You know, everytime I map industrial sites I have the feeling that we're missing some decent tagging scheme for such sites. This customer used to depend on sat pics (of years ago) to pinpoint location, now they feel OSM is just great for their goals. No need for Google sat pics anymore. Greetings Ben Sorry if it came across as If I'm superpissed-off or something, I wasn't. I should actually not complain because my time is paid to 'correct' it :) Maybe we should try and find a better scheme, as more and more industrial sites will become interested in mapping their domains. But a rail is a rail to me. Just like a road in 6-Flags is still a road, even though it's not public. I try to keep it simple. Glenn -- Everything is going to be 200 OK. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [Talk-de] Staatliches Gesundheitsamt
Am 8. Februar 2015 um 15:59 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 07.02.2015 um 11:08 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com: office=administrative finde ich eine gute Idee. -1, office trifft es m.E. nicht, dort finden (amts)ärztliche Untersuchungen statt, etc., das hat nicht (nur) mit Büro zu tun Behörden sind zunächst einmal aktenmäßiger Umgang mit Lebenssachverhalten. Ärztliche Untersuchungen sind nichts anderes als Tatsachenermitlungen für die Akte. An die festgestellten Tatsachen, wie sie in der Akte liegen, knüpft sich dann eine bestimmte Rechtsfolge, z.B. Erteilung eines Gesundheitszeugnisses etc. Also nichts, was einer Einordnung als Office entgegen stünde. Es geht ja bei dem Tag erst einmal um Behörden allgemein und nicht um Gesundheitsbehörde im besonderen! Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [talk-ph] State of the Map US 2015 at the UN in New York City from June 6 to June 8
Hi everybody, OpenStreetMap US is now accepting scholarship applications for SotM-US in New York City later this June: http://openstreetmap.us/2015/01/scholarships/ Please do apply. There's no harm in trying. :-) Regards, Eugene On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, OSM US has just announced that 2015's State of the Map US conference will be held in New York City at the United Nations Headquarters from June 6 to June 8, 2015. Read the announcement here: http://openstreetmap.us/2014/11/sotmus-2015-in-nyc/ The United Nations has generously donated the use of their building for hosting this conference. As such, the bulk of the conference's expenses that is usually earmarked for the venue will now go towards shouldering costs for international mappers to attend via travel scholarships. The conference organizers are targeting an attendance of 1000 people and they want mappers from all over the world to be able to share their experiences with OSM in their localities to the other conference attendees. You can read more about the plan for SOTM US in this PDF file: http://cl.ly/2u2V402L2N39/download/SOTMProposal.pdf This is a really great opportunity for Filipino OSM mappers to attend. The last time that any Filipino has attended an overseas State of the Map conference (whether the international one or a regional version) was at SOTM 2011 in Denver, Colorado, which was attended by Maning. I personally would want to go to SOTM US 2015. I've been to three Wikimanias now but have never attended an overseas SOTM. :-) Regards, Eugene ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
Non dimenticare anche il tag operator e brand. Ad esempio operator può essere il comune (nella maggior parte dei casi) mentre brand la ditta che effettua il servizio. Il 08/02/2015 14:28, demon.box ha scritto: come si taggano correttamente le fontanelle e le fontane. fontanella cioè semplice colonnina di metallo amenity=drinking_water fontana (spesso antica) con acqua potabile amenity=fountain drinking_water=yes fontana solo decorativa senza acqua potabile amenity=fountain drinking_water=no e questi punti acqua (vengono ufficialmente chiamati proprio così) che offrono acqua gasata, naturale e fredda disseminati in tutta la provincia? http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5832829/90716_71788_resize_597_334.jpg li taggo anche questi così? amenity=fountain drinking_water=yes name=Punto acqua grazie, ciao --enrico -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fontanelle-e-fontane-tp5832829.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-br] Tag para lojas de bolos
A tag shop=confectionery não é para confeitarias, mas sim loja de doces. A página wiki desta etiqueta foi atualizada recentemente, então shop=confectionery também se aplica para confeitarias agora. Em 8 de fevereiro de 2015 10:00, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br escreveu: Em muitas cidades, tem crescido a quantidade de lojas de bolos e estou em dúvida sobre qual tag usar. Estas lojas de bolos vendem diversos tipos de bolos, não apenas bolos de aniversário. Eu estava usando shop=bakery, mas não é muito adequada pois não vende pão. A tag shop=confectionery não é para confeitarias, mas sim loja de doces. Encontrei no wiki shop=pastry (A shop where baked sweets like cakes, biscuits, strudel and pies are sold (and traditionally also made), que me parece a mais adequada: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ wiki/Tag:shop%3Dpastry O que acham? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far
brycenesbitt wrote: Are there any additional comments on the issue of importing (actually synchronizing) 500 bicycle repair stations? With this import OSM would become the most comprehensive database of repair station locations. Where the location is good, it would be great to have these in OSM. In cases where the location is a bit less firm, I still suggest you go for it in rural areas (bike routes, small towns, etc.): the location is likely to be good enough and it could make a real difference to someone stranded miles from anywhere. For cities where there are local OSM mappers and where the location is inexact, I'd suggest that you just use notes. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/amenity-bicycle-repair-station-only-18-so-far-tp5824412p5832848.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 08/02/2015 14:54, demon.box ha scritto: historic=monument anche se si tratta di costruzioni al massimo di qualche anno? (4/5 anni al massimo) Vabbè ho guardato male.. - -- Simone Girardelli _|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_ |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJU12wAAAoJEMTPIIVov0ZtlN0H/jPWGWH2/naxkCh6vcAkk3N6 7cnWsMJQC+qvT/mhb0pIHC6v9dZhq8qqZIZCMd6ooDwdQiLNMQYfLyujxfJ9zRL5 yRnG5/nCgpaW0grkhc+gLlsbD6H7Q2v7GiNxAPth/EgsbNNc+aFLsA5uahRgi7U+ h66SbeArvXc+x9Vur64tosdnQjwiFBxy2P/Jmb4ZhxgmHNGkv7H8p9OBqh6vZWY3 626VgumfmNxZmJ7TMd9Zg1fpbh2WSrfmtdPLIz/N8hMxAqrfMDSF5GPYvwCTmi/X Nw1otom8I2pQEp7gnbRzPlbPTXl4k9hjrAIDSPBVUSTK6cw2sOnTpdLvGNkCfwE= =b9DJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
tranquillo ;-) mi interessava capire bene! quindi per questi punti acqua amenity=water_point per il resto quindi siete d'accordo colonnina di metallo (fontanina) amenity=drinking_water fontana potabile come questo http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5832836/23967623.jpg amenity=fountain drinking_water=yes qui sì ci stà l'historic historic=yes o historic=monument ? io sare per historic=yes che dite? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fontanelle-e-fontane-tp5832829p5832836.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-de] Honga Tonga eintragen, Bildquelle?
Am 30.01.2015 um 11:16 schrieb Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de: Die generelle Form grob aus veröffentlichten Bildern zu übernehmen ist hier denke ich unproblematisch - eine solche Übernahme von Informationen nimmt sowohl urheberrechtlich als auch datenbankrechtlich nicht die notwendigen Hürden, um relevant zu sein. Das sähe natürlich anders aus, wenn man jeden Stein und jedes Oberflächendetail auf der Insel penibel abzeichnet. Urheberrechtlich sind auch die einzelnen Steine und andere Details nicht geschützt, anders sähe es aus, wenn jemand die Steine absichtlich und nicht trivial arrangiert hätte, also die Schöpfungshöhe erreicht würde (z.B. land art). Was (automatisch) geschützt ist, sind Z.B. Ausschnitt und Komposition, der Bildaufbau, die gewählten Lichtbedingungen etc. eines Fotos, d.h. insbesondere das Foto selbst, nicht aber das darin enthaltene. Ob man das Foto einer Insel als Datenbank schützen kann weiß ich nicht genau, vermute aber eher nicht. Bleibt die vertragliche Option (Sie dürfen das Bild nur ansehen wenn Sie sich verpflichten die darin enthaltenen Informationen nicht aufzuzeichnen oder so ähnlich) Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
-Original Message- From: demon.box [mailto:e.rossin...@alice.it] Sent: domenica 8 febbraio 2015 14:29 To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane e questi punti acqua (vengono ufficialmente chiamati proprio così) che offrono acqua gasata, naturale e fredda disseminati in tutta la provincia? http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5832829/90716_71788_resize_597_334 .jpg Se l'acqua è a pagamento, li taggerei con amenity=vending_machine, vending=drink, credo anche drink:water=draught.. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
Alberto Nogaro wrote Se l'acqua è a pagamento, li taggerei con amenity=vending_machine, vending=drink, credo anche drink:water=draught.. No l'acqua è gratuita, ci sono soltanto in certi casi degli orari di erogazione (ad esempio non di notte) -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fontanelle-e-fontane-tp5832829p5832839.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
Am 08.02.2015 um 15:15 schrieb demon.box e.rossin...@alice.it: colonnina di metallo (fontanina) amenity=drinking_water si, lo uso così però non hai l'informazione colonnina o ferro, ma soltanto fonte di acqua potabile, quindi volendo si potrebbero aggiungere altri tags per i dettagli... ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
Am 08.02.2015 um 15:15 schrieb demon.box e.rossin...@alice.it: historic=yes o historic=monument ? io sare per historic=yes che dite? historic non è molto definito, non vuol dire antico, forse si potrebbe anche usare per un roba dell'anno scorso;-) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-br] Tag para lojas de bolos
Alexandre: Este e um comercial? Eu vejo duas tipas diferentes em princípio. 1) Um loja que também fabricando as bolos = shop=bakery 2) Um loja que vende bolos prefabricado (seja fabricado no outro lugar) = shop=confectionary shop=bakery nao nesesariamente vender pao, e as vezes (maioria que conheço) pode ser combinado com amenity=cafe ou similar como eles tem um cafeteira ou lanchonete. Aun Johnsen On Feb 8, 2015, at 12:21, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros alexandre@gmail.com wrote: Aqui em Natal tem várias Casa do Bolo. Não atentei para existência de concorrentes, ou se são de donos diferentes com um nome genérico. São bolos comuns e baratos. Sem ser confeitados ou necessariamente grandes. Pelo contrário. Não só de ovos. Tem de laranja, bolo preto, bolo da moça, bolo da moça, bolo de macaxeira, e uma infinidades de outros tipos dos quais não me lembro agora. Não acho que isso seja padaria ou confeitaria. Alexandre Magno Em 8 de fevereiro de 2015 09:13, Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com mailto:gwebe...@gmail.com escreveu: Eu estava usando shop=bakery, mas não é muito adequada pois não vende pão. A tag shop=confectionery não é para confeitarias, mas sim loja de doces. Da wikipedia: Baker, a person who produces baked goods Veja que o termo não tem a ver com pão, mas sim com produzir produtos assados num forno. Bakery não é à rigor um lugar onde se faz pão, ao contrário do que implica o termo padaria (ou o horroroso panificadora) em português. Eu deixaria bakery e colocaria uma note ou description dando mais detalhes. abraço Gerald ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-it] Corsie riservate
Questa si fa difficile... Come la mappereste? https://goo.gl/maps/CUGOg (la foto è vecchia ma va ancora bene, ci sono appena passato ed è uguale) In pratica in senso opposto c'è una corsia per tutti, mentre nel lato di marcia ci sono tre corsie, rispettivamente da sinistra a destra: 1) solo sinistra 2) dritto/sinistra *solo bus e taxi* 3) dritto/destra Mi pare di aver capito che si fa così: lanes=4 lanes:forward=3 turn:lanes:forward=left|through;left|through;right Ma qui mi blocco perché non so come scrivere che la corsia di mezzo è psv, cioè riservata ai mezzi pubblici. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-br] Tag para lojas de bolos
Aqui em Natal tem várias Casa do Bolo. Não atentei para existência de concorrentes, ou se são de donos diferentes com um nome genérico. São bolos comuns e baratos. Sem ser confeitados ou necessariamente grandes. Pelo contrário. Não só de ovos. Tem de laranja, bolo preto, bolo da moça, bolo da moça, bolo de macaxeira, e uma infinidades de outros tipos dos quais não me lembro agora. Não acho que isso seja padaria ou confeitaria. Alexandre Magno Em 8 de fevereiro de 2015 09:13, Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com escreveu: Eu estava usando shop=bakery, mas não é muito adequada pois não vende pão. A tag shop=confectionery não é para confeitarias, mas sim loja de doces. Da wikipedia: Baker, a person who produces baked goods Veja que o termo não tem a ver com pão, mas sim com produzir produtos assados num forno. Bakery não é à rigor um lugar onde se faz pão, ao contrário do que implica o termo padaria (ou o horroroso panificadora) em português. Eu deixaria bakery e colocaria uma note ou description dando mais detalhes. abraço Gerald ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-it] Fontanelle e fontane
Non si trata di historic=monument, vedi http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmonument C'è confusione fra l'italiano monumeno e l'inglese monument Il primo paragrafo di http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monumento spiega questa differenza. In inglese (e in OSM) si utilizza solo nel senso originale. Volker On 8 February 2015 at 14:54, demon.box e.rossin...@alice.it wrote: historic=monument anche se si tratta di costruzioni al massimo di qualche anno? (4/5 anni al massimo) girarsi_liste wrote Anche historic=monument per quello della foto. - -- Simone Girardelli _|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_ |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJU12g6AAoJEMTPIIVov0Ztb1IH/RFO3nIcmYm4vCAvVsyM2wW5 PCYkrbMjaEUAjDLIwy86SGJah266OlfIHMPZqwxTYTp6sBDpO4shCAFdmaIygcM6 jplGKHb49seYopGdxc+AXP+gWnUCPsDp8YkkJLJm9ZwPHvIAGgluh4dnzoF0QwkP pFQmf5U89ZaC+18oQxjpi160GiKiCRRUqM8IFW0tA6f2THxPU0xT0YbY1hZoJMe6 CmtdGChsBr9Eo0fnOb6lzIyRfHTLI7o2ah1sfBb40y3hSX3PFTcMRpoxXUrRTF3M 35HUrUExi6FnRlP5GAeLSqPWbEfgPOPjUfVlF1d9y262Fq+MVfjhLYS8wbdLFaY= =0QxV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@ https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fontanelle-e-fontane-tp5832829p5832833.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-de] Staatliches Gesundheitsamt
Am 07.02.2015 um 11:08 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com: office=administrative finde ich eine gute Idee. -1, office trifft es m.E. nicht, dort finden (amts)ärztliche Untersuchungen statt, etc., das hat nicht (nur) mit Büro zu tun Es gibt nicht nur staatliche Behörden (die man auch noch zwischen Bund und Ländern differenzieren kann), sondern auch kommunale Behörden etc. +1 Die deutsche Behördenstruktur aus rechtlicher Sicht abbilden zu wollen, dafür fehlt es OSM derzeit an Möglichkeiten und ich glaube auch nicht, dass es für unsere Zwecke notwendig ist. vielleicht nicht aus rechtlicher Sicht, aber aus funktionaler Sicht wäre es schon nett. Wundert mich schon von Anfang an, dass das nicht allgemein gemacht wird, wenigstens mal angefangen. Wahrscheinlich denken alle, das wäre in ihrem Land ganz speziell und kaum auf andere Länder übertragbar, aber in Wahrheit gibt es ähnliche Ämter fast überall (vor allem, wenn man die themen-/Angebots-bezogen in einem flexiblen System mappt, und nicht erwartet das alles bis ins kleinste Detail gleich ist), zumindest für die westliche entwickelte Welt kann man das so sagen. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wieder einmal lcn Sammelrelationen
On 02/08/2015 12:03 PM, 715371 wrote: Das ist eine Meinung eines Landkreises welche Wege besonders geeignet sein *könnten*. Jemand anderes könnte wieder andere Meinungen haben. Machen wir dann für alle diese Möglichkeiten Relationen? Gilt das nicht für jede Rad-/Wanderroute? Zu einer Rad- oder Wanderroute gehört schon etwas mehr als nur eine Handvoll Wegweiser. Hier ist eine feste Wegführung vorgesehen, die mit festen Zeichen (Zahlen, Symbolen, Buchstaben, ...) auf ihrer ganzen Länge markiert ist. Üblicherweise mit dem Ziel entweder Information zu vermitteln (dann oft Tafeln im Wegverlauf) oder an besonders schönen Orten vorbeizuführen. Ein mehr oder weniger wahllos verlaufendes Netz ist genauso interessant wie das Straßennetz an sich. Wenn ich ein Netz von zum Radfahren geeigneten Wegen aus OSM ziehen will, dann würde ich das lieber über die üblichen Tags machen, mit denen die Wegqualität erfasst wird. Also surface, tracktype, ... Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-br] Tag para lojas de bolos
Se eu não dissesse o nome, ficaria ainda menos claro. - Essas lojas são especializadas em bolo popular, então não é exatamente o tipo 1. - O bolo é fabricado lá mesmo, então não é o tipo 2. Mas sim, é possível que existam outros produtos nas prateleiras. Só que não me lembro de ter. Nem me lembro de ter cadeiras para os clientes consumirem os produtos ali mesmo, na hora. Alexandre Magno Em 8 de fevereiro de 2015 12:29, Lists li...@gimnechiske.org escreveu: Alexandre: Este e um comercial? Eu vejo duas tipas diferentes em princípio. 1) Um loja que também fabricando as bolos = shop=bakery 2) Um loja que vende bolos prefabricado (seja fabricado no outro lugar) = shop=confectionary shop=bakery nao nesesariamente vender pao, e as vezes (maioria que conheço) pode ser combinado com amenity=cafe ou similar como eles tem um cafeteira ou lanchonete. Aun Johnsen On Feb 8, 2015, at 12:21, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros alexandre@gmail.com wrote: Aqui em Natal tem várias Casa do Bolo. Não atentei para existência de concorrentes, ou se são de donos diferentes com um nome genérico. São bolos comuns e baratos. Sem ser confeitados ou necessariamente grandes. Pelo contrário. Não só de ovos. Tem de laranja, bolo preto, bolo da moça, bolo da moça, bolo de macaxeira, e uma infinidades de outros tipos dos quais não me lembro agora. Não acho que isso seja padaria ou confeitaria. Alexandre Magno ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Tag para lojas de bolos
shop=bakery e shop=confectionary vender para leva fora, amenity=cafe ou similar vender para consumo no local. Se a loja somente vender para leva fora uso somente shop=*, se loja vender somente para consumo no local uso somente amenity=cafe, se a loja oferecendo os duas serviços uso ambos. e de novo: shop=bakery fabricando no local shop=confectionary fabricando fora do local Aun Johnsen On Feb 8, 2015, at 12:52, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros alexandre@gmail.com wrote: Se eu não dissesse o nome, ficaria ainda menos claro. - Essas lojas são especializadas em bolo popular, então não é exatamente o tipo 1. - O bolo é fabricado lá mesmo, então não é o tipo 2. Mas sim, é possível que existam outros produtos nas prateleiras. Só que não me lembro de ter. Nem me lembro de ter cadeiras para os clientes consumirem os produtos ali mesmo, na hora. Alexandre Magno Em 8 de fevereiro de 2015 12:29, Lists li...@gimnechiske.org mailto:li...@gimnechiske.org escreveu: Alexandre: Este e um comercial? Eu vejo duas tipas diferentes em princípio. 1) Um loja que também fabricando as bolos = shop=bakery 2) Um loja que vende bolos prefabricado (seja fabricado no outro lugar) = shop=confectionary shop=bakery nao nesesariamente vender pao, e as vezes (maioria que conheço) pode ser combinado com amenity=cafe ou similar como eles tem um cafeteira ou lanchonete. Aun Johnsen On Feb 8, 2015, at 12:21, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros alexandre@gmail.com mailto:alexandre@gmail.com wrote: Aqui em Natal tem várias Casa do Bolo. Não atentei para existência de concorrentes, ou se são de donos diferentes com um nome genérico. São bolos comuns e baratos. Sem ser confeitados ou necessariamente grandes. Pelo contrário. Não só de ovos. Tem de laranja, bolo preto, bolo da moça, bolo da moça, bolo de macaxeira, e uma infinidades de outros tipos dos quais não me lembro agora. Não acho que isso seja padaria ou confeitaria. Alexandre Magno ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [OSM-talk-be] image links in taglocator
Marc, ik wil je niet straffen, ik wil je enkel vragen om niet commons-wikimedia files aan te geven met een kleurtje, zodat mappers weten dat het hier niet over open data gaat (zoals al de rest van OSM). OSM normaal gezien gebruikt worden voor commerciële doeleinden, zonder bijkomende beperkingen. Met die niet-commons-wikimedia files breekt de mapper deze licentie. Ik heb nu wat aanpassingen gedaan, en in versie 0.8a+++ zie je de melding unknown license” in gevallen waarin die license niet duidelijk is. Tevens heb ik de image tag een vaste keuze gemaakt in het Various menu. Dat geeft aanleiding tot het volgende onderzoek: 1. Vink de Image tag aan in de Various layer 2. Ga naar de volgende steden met de Search box: New York, Chicago, London, Berlijn, Tokyo, Madrid, Antwerpen, Brussel. En wat valt op? Na Berlijn heeft geen stad ter wereld heeft meer image tags dan Antwerpen! In Tokyo geen een, in Madrid en Chicago: 1, Brussel: 8. London: plusminus 20. Dat geeft de betrekkelijkheid van die tag het beste aan. Er is natuurlijk ook geen mens ter wereld die OSM gebruikt om op zoek te gaan naar mooie plaatjes van de Eiffeltoren of het Atomium (waarvan trouwens een foto ontbreekt op OSM! Als er ergens een plaatje zou moeten staan dan is het daar...) Om die reden ga ik nu ook geen tijd steken in het zichtbaar maken van thumbnails (ik weet inmiddels hoe het moet, maar het levert meer vertraging dan nut op en de extra code levert in teveel gevallen onduidelijke resultaten). De link die er nu staat voldoet uitstekend. Maar misschien kunnen mappers wel met deze tool in handen snel op zoek naar de plaatsen waar nog wat te doen valt op het gebied van foto’s toevoegen. En dat was ook voor mij op de eerste plaats de reden om taglocator te maken. M. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [Talk-de] Staatliches Gesundheitsamt
Am 8. Februar 2015 um 20:35 schrieb Swen Wacker swen.wac...@gmail.com: Am 7. Februar 2015 um 11:08 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com: Es gibt nicht nur staatliche Behörden (die man auch noch zwischen Bund und Ländern differenzieren kann), sondern auch kommunale Behörden etc. Die deutsche Behördenstruktur aus rechtlicher Sicht abbilden zu wollen, dafür fehlt es OSM derzeit an Möglichkeiten Das Wiki sagt in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:office office=administrative Kreis-, Gemeinde-, Verwaltungs- und Aufsichtsbehörden, die keine Bundes- oder Landesbehörden sind office=government Büro einer Regierung / Behörde / Regierungseinrichtung Wenn ersteres zutrifft, dann sind office=government Landes- und Bundesbehörden Damit wäre die föderale Struktur in D recht gut abgedeckt. Ich halte die von dir zitierte Differenzierung für nicht zielführend. Es gibt aus meiner Sicht keinen vernünftigen Grund so zu differenzieren. In den Stadtstaaten gibt es dann nur government wogegen es in Flächenstaaten government und administrative gibt, obwohl die Aufgaben überall gleich sind. Wenn man diese Unterscheidung wirklich treffen will, kann man auch auf das operator-Tag zurückgreifen und die Trägerkörperschaft (Kommune, Kreis, Bund, Land etc.)damit angeben. Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] Cava abbandonata o dismessa
nel caso di una cava ormai non più utilizzata da molti anni, cioè abbandonata oltre ovviamente a landuse=quarry meglio abandoned=yes oppure disused=yes ? grazie --enrico -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Cava-abbandonata-o-dismessa-tp5832869.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk-be] image links in taglocator
Ik vind dat ze daar wat teveel gecensureerd hebben. De lucht tussen de 'spijlen' was toch geen deel van het 'kunstwerk'. Groeten, Van Jo, die heel dat gebrek aan FOP ook ten zeerste betreurt. Op 8 februari 2015 22:25 schreef Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: Dit is zowat de beste foto van het atomium die we hebben: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Atomium_010-censored.png Jammer, maar Sabam beschermt die rechten actief. Op 8-feb.-2015 22:17 schreef Marc Zoutendijk marczoutend...@mac.com: Marc, ik wil je niet straffen, ik wil je enkel vragen om niet commons-wikimedia files aan te geven met een kleurtje, zodat mappers weten dat het hier niet over open data gaat (zoals al de rest van OSM). OSM normaal gezien gebruikt worden voor commerciële doeleinden, zonder bijkomende beperkingen. Met die niet-commons-wikimedia files breekt de mapper deze licentie. Ik heb nu wat aanpassingen gedaan, en in versie 0.8a+++ zie je de melding unknown license” in gevallen waarin die license niet duidelijk is. Tevens heb ik de image tag een vaste keuze gemaakt in het Various menu. Dat geeft aanleiding tot het volgende onderzoek: 1. Vink de Image tag aan in de Various layer 2. Ga naar de volgende steden met de Search box: New York, Chicago, London, Berlijn, Tokyo, Madrid, Antwerpen, Brussel. En wat valt op? Na Berlijn heeft geen stad ter wereld heeft meer image tags dan Antwerpen! In Tokyo geen een, in Madrid en Chicago: 1, Brussel: 8. London: plusminus20. Dat geeft de betrekkelijkheid van die tag het beste aan. Er is natuurlijk ook geen mens ter wereld die OSM gebruikt om op zoek te gaan naar mooie plaatjes van de Eiffeltoren of het Atomium (waarvan trouwens een foto ontbreekt op OSM! Als er ergens een plaatje zou moeten staan dan is het daar...) Om die reden ga ik nu ook geen tijd steken in het zichtbaar maken van thumbnails (ik weet inmiddels hoe het moet, maar het levert meer vertraging dan nut op en de extra code levert in teveel gevallen onduidelijke resultaten). De link die er nu staat voldoet uitstekend. Maar misschien kunnen mappers wel met deze tool in handen snel op zoek naar de plaatsen waar nog wat te doen valt op het gebied van foto’s toevoegen. En dat was ook voor mij op de eerste plaats de reden om taglocator te maken. M. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [Talk-de] Wieder einmal lcn Sammelrelationen
Am 08.02.2015 um 16:28 schrieb Manuel Reimer: On 02/08/2015 12:03 PM, 715371 wrote: Das ist eine Meinung eines Landkreises welche Wege besonders geeignet sein *könnten*. Jemand anderes könnte wieder andere Meinungen haben. Machen wir dann für alle diese Möglichkeiten Relationen? Gilt das nicht für jede Rad-/Wanderroute? Zu einer Rad- oder Wanderroute gehört schon etwas mehr als nur eine Handvoll Wegweiser. Hier ist eine feste Wegführung vorgesehen, die mit festen Zeichen (Zahlen, Symbolen, Buchstaben, ...) auf ihrer ganzen Länge markiert ist. Üblicherweise mit dem Ziel entweder Information zu vermitteln (dann oft Tafeln im Wegverlauf) oder an besonders schönen Orten vorbeizuführen. Die Schilder haben auch immer die gleiche Form, Farbe, Schrift,... Gestaltung. Und ein Ymbol gibt es auch: Ein Fahrrad. Ein mehr oder weniger wahllos verlaufendes Netz ist genauso interessant wie das Straßennetz an sich. Im Prinzip ist aber doch egal wie die Qualität der Wahl ist. Wenn irgendein Verein sich eine Route auswählt, kann die Auswahl auch schlecht gefunden werden. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Staatliches Gesundheitsamt
Am 7. Februar 2015 um 11:08 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com: Es gibt nicht nur staatliche Behörden (die man auch noch zwischen Bund und Ländern differenzieren kann), sondern auch kommunale Behörden etc. Die deutsche Behördenstruktur aus rechtlicher Sicht abbilden zu wollen, dafür fehlt es OSM derzeit an Möglichkeiten Das Wiki sagt in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:office office=administrative Kreis-, Gemeinde-, Verwaltungs- und Aufsichtsbehörden, die keine Bundes- oder Landesbehörden sind office=government Büro einer Regierung / Behörde / Regierungseinrichtung Wenn ersteres zutrifft, dann sind office=government Landes- und Bundesbehörden Damit wäre die föderale Struktur in D recht gut abgedeckt. Gruß Swen ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.28.0
Now this is a nice compromise. As much as I didn't like the old-new color of buildings, this one looks much better. Good job ;) Michał ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-it] Cava abbandonata o dismessa
Il mio approcio disused in case che è rimasta lì (quasi) funzionante, ma non più utilizzata abandoned in caso che è difficile/costoso/impossibile riaprirla come cava Attenzione: si sta muovendo verso un tagging diverso. Nel tuo caso sarebbe: disused:landuse=quarry o abandoned:landuse=quarry Volker ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] sheet request
Oops. You are quite right Donal. Sorry. Stephen On 8 Feb 2015, at 21:30, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 February 2015 at 20:11, Stephen Roulston srouls...@me.com wrote: Hi I got IRL GSGS 3906 35-35 SE + NE Portavogie uploaded a few days ago. Both NE and SE are on the map. Can one of them be cropped and uploaded separately, please? Did I not already do that? See http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-35-35show_warped=0 D Thanks, Stephen On 6 Feb 2015, at 20:13, Colleen O Hara colleen...@gmail.com wrote: requesting 14/3/SW (sorry for reposts - not sure how to do this yet) ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [Talk-it] Corsie riservate
Ciao Stefano, premetto che ho appena cominciato ad addentrarmi nella questione corsie riservate, quindi potrei sbagliarmi. Direi, in aggiunta ai tuoi tag: psv:lanes:forward=yes|designated|yes - designated indica che la corsia è esclusiva per i psv (bus + taxi) - gli yes indicano che i psv possono anche viaggiare nelle altre due corsie. Di norma è così salvo diversamente indicato. Vedi qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Lane_dependent_restrictions Sig Il giorno 8 febbraio 2015 16:51, Stefano Droghetti stefano.droghe...@gmail.com ha scritto: Questa si fa difficile... Come la mappereste? https://goo.gl/maps/CUGOg (la foto è vecchia ma va ancora bene, ci sono appena passato ed è uguale) In pratica in senso opposto c'è una corsia per tutti, mentre nel lato di marcia ci sono tre corsie, rispettivamente da sinistra a destra: 1) solo sinistra 2) dritto/sinistra *solo bus e taxi* 3) dritto/destra Mi pare di aver capito che si fa così: lanes=4 lanes:forward=3 turn:lanes:forward=left|through;left|through;right Ma qui mi blocco perché non so come scrivere che la corsia di mezzo è psv, cioè riservata ai mezzi pubblici. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[OSM-talk] Domino's rebranding
OK, so not sure about other markets, but at least in the US, Domino's Pizza has renamed itself to just Domino's. Which presents a few issues, since they're not just pizza (they also do subs and wings, so I'm not even sure how to cuisine tag these things). How do we want to handle retagging these? Full scale? Which tags? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-it] Tram in sede stradale
Ciao Davio, sull'opportunità di attribuire entrambi i tag highway e railway alla stessa way ho letto pareri discordanti. Ha i suoi vantaggi, tant'è che nel grafo stradale del comune a Milano li gestiamo così (un arco può essere stradale, tranviario o entrambi). Ma in OSM a Milano i binari sono stati praticamente tutti separati dalle strade. Sentite anche le esperienze di altri mappatori all'estero mi pare che la tendenza generale sia quella di mappare sempre i binari separatamente quando sia disponibile una base cartografica di dettaglio adeguato. Quindi se decidessimo di optare per il tuo approccio, dovremmo eliminare moltissime way tranviare spostandone i tag nelle strade, forse guadagnando in praticità ma senz'altro perdendo in precisione. Ho ricevuto parecchi feedback sulla lista Tagging, devo ragionarci un po' su. Grazie mille!!! Sig Il giorno 8 febbraio 2015 12:36, Davio davide@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao, Se i binari vanno completamente in promiscua con il traffico privato preferisco inserire il tag del tram direttamente nella way della strada, in quanto i binari fanno parte fisicamente di quella porzione di strada: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22886577 Altrimenti, se sempre su sede stradale ma la corsia è riservata solo al tram con apposita delimitazione fisica, lo mappo separatamente: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/223671082 Davio - Davide -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Tram-in-sede-stradale-tp5832578p5832824.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk] Domino's rebranding
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: OK, so not sure about other markets, but at least in the US, Domino's Pizza has renamed itself to just Domino's. Which presents a few issues, since they're not just pizza (they also do subs and wings, so I'm not even sure how to cuisine tag these things). How do we want to handle retagging these? Full scale? Which tags? We'd want to only retag name after the local store updates their signage, which may not be immediate. The Domino's I have been to have been focused on pizza, in the choice on their menu, their branding, and why people go there, so I feel fine using cuisine=pizza. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Domino's rebranding
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: OK, so not sure about other markets, but at least in the US, Domino's Pizza has renamed itself to just Domino's. Which presents a few issues, since they're not just pizza (they also do subs and wings, so I'm not even sure how to cuisine tag these things). It looks like they have two brands [1], Domino's Pizza and Domino's. It appears that some store fronts have just Domino's while others contain Domino's Pizza. I could find nothing indicating that they are dropping Pizza from the name. Do you have some information that show otherwise? [1] https://order.dominos.com/en/pages/content/content.jsp?page=terms -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Domino's rebranding
Dominos.com has dropped Pizza from their name as of today, and TV commercials in heavy rotation feature literally blowing up a Domino's Pizza sign and replacing it with just Domino's, with the narration extolling heavily that they're far more than just pizza these days. On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: OK, so not sure about other markets, but at least in the US, Domino's Pizza has renamed itself to just Domino's. Which presents a few issues, since they're not just pizza (they also do subs and wings, so I'm not even sure how to cuisine tag these things). It looks like they have two brands [1], Domino's Pizza and Domino's. It appears that some store fronts have just Domino's while others contain Domino's Pizza. I could find nothing indicating that they are dropping Pizza from the name. Do you have some information that show otherwise? [1] https://order.dominos.com/en/pages/content/content.jsp?page=terms -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Domino's rebranding
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Dominos.com has dropped Pizza from their name as of today, and TV commercials in heavy rotation feature literally blowing up a Domino's Pizza sign and replacing it with just Domino's, with the narration extolling heavily that they're far more than just pizza these days. I'll keep a look out to see how quickly the franchises change signs. My guess is if this is truly a rebranding, it should happen quickly. -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-it] open expo 2015
pjhooker wrote Non vorrei spegnere l'entusiasmo, ma tra il WMS e il 3D, mi sa che state un po' andando fuori dalla mia offerta ... A) per fare un WMS, servirebbe una ortofoto, ma non penso di averi i permessi di sorvolare l'EXPO ... B) per fare il 3D, serve una spece di laserscanner o kinect un po' modificato ... Io, oltre la mia richiesta che è stata un po' sottovalutata, invitavo a fare un mapping party nell'area EXPO e, insieme portavo il mio drone da 500€ che fa delle riprese più che decenti, da alzare in volo in qualche spiazzo un po' nascosto :-/ avevo capito la tua proposta...il 3d era naturalmente da fare usando le tue riprese e facendo una valutazione, seppur approssimativa di forma e dimensione degli edifici...niente laserscan...so di droni che fanno questi lavori ma costano 25000€ e passa quindi ho escluso a priori fosse questa la situazione puntavo più sulla possibilità di fare ortofoto tramite drone ma comunque anche le riprese orizzontali potrebbero essere usate (per esempio in mapillary) per quanto riguarda il mapping party avevo notato la proposta ma si può fare temo solo a lavori conclusi ed expo aperto al pubblico...speravo potesse essere fatto qualcosa poco prima dell'apertura. magari se venisse concesso l'utilizzo delle planimetrie/progetti dell'expo si potrebbe fare il lavoro grezzo prima dell'apertura e poi raffinare il tutto tramite appunto un mapping-party... - Ciao, Aury -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/open-expo-2015-tp5817169p5832901.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-de] Staatliches Gesundheitsamt
Am 8. Februar 2015 um 22:26 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com: In den Stadtstaaten gibt es dann nur government In Hamburg (in Bremen und Berlin kenne ich mich nicht aus, da wird es aber sicher ähnlich sein) entsprächen die Bezirke in etwas den Kreisen. Man könnte das also unterteilen Wenn man diese Unterscheidung wirklich treffen will, kann man auch auf das operator-Tag zurückgreifen und die Trägerkörperschaft (Kommune, Kreis, Bund, Land etc.)damit angeben. Ich stimme Dir zu, mit der kleinen Einschränkung, dass ab und zu agieren (z.B. in SH) Landräte als allgemeine untere Landesbehörden agieren. Weil wir aber nun mal schon die beiden eingeführten Paare office=government und office=administrative haben, ist die im Wiki vollzogene Differenzierung nicht völlig daneben. Swen ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Beispielhafte OSM-Nutzung für Online-Artikel gesucht
Roland Ramthun o...@roland-ramthun.de wrote: Dafür suchen wir einen OSM-Benutzer, der mit OSM-Daten oder -Karten etwas machen konnte, was er ohne OSM nicht hätte umsetzen können, z.B. weil die kommerziellen Lizenzen zu teuer oder restriktiv gewesen wären oder die Daten von OSM besser waren. Das muss nichts spektakuläres sein, ... kann aber hoffentlich. ;-) Denn es gibt derzeit kein besseres Beispiel, das wie die Faust aufs Auge auf diese Fragestellung passt, wie das Point to Point Routing in den Online-Fahrplanern der Verkehrsverbünde. Dabei werden die Fußwege über OSM Daten geroutet. Es gibt es keine anderen Geodaten, die exakt das hierzu Notwendige leisten. (In Hamburg sind sogar die großen Aushangstadtpläne an den Bahnhöfen von OSM. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/IOOI/diary/21738 ) Wenn Du Lust hast der zuständigen Redakteurin Deine OSM-Nutzung kurz zu beschreiben und mit Namen in dem Beitrag auftauchen magst, würde ich mich über eine Mail sehr freuen. Die Interviews brauchen nicht mehr geführt zu werden, denn sie liegen schon als Audio oder Video vor, die man der Dame nennen könnte: Vortrag vom Aachener Verkehrsverbund und Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Sieg auf der FOSSGIS Konferenz 2011: http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2011/programm/events/191.de.html Video hierzu: http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/openstreetmap/FOSSGIS2011/FOSSGIS2011-191-de-oepnv_vrs_aav.webm Hier werden noch mehr einzigartige Gründe für OSM genannt als die aus der Fragestellung. Beide Verbünde liegen in NRW. Auch der größte Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Ruhr befindet sich gerade in Gesprächen mit der örtlichen Community, zu der es leider keine adäquate Dokumentation gibt. Mögliche Interviewpartner hätten die Mitarbeiter des Innenministeriums in Düsseldorf mit der Rheinbahn direkt vor der Nase. Audio Interview 2013 mit der Datenverarbeitungsfirma Mentz, die den Online-Fahrplaner mehrerer Verkehrverbünde großer Städte in Europa, auch des Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Ruhr gestaltet: http://podcast.openstreetmap.de/2013/08/28/osmde020-im-irc-weiss-niemand-ob-du-ein-reh-bist/#t=16:09.705 Mentz Vortrag und Video auf europäischer OSM Konferenz SOTM-EU: http://sotm-eu.org/en/slots/44 In NRW gäbe es noch ein Projekt, das aber die geforderten Attribute nicht ganz so gut trifft, nämlich der Stadtplan und der Radroutenplaner auf dem Internetauftritt der Stadt Köln. www.koeln.de Um einen Interviewpartner könnte man sich dort bemühen. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Beispielhafte OSM-Nutzung für Online-Artikel gesucht
en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Ad's Path Try out the dynamic map. On de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad Wouters you'll find a map I created with Maperitive, which combines hiking node network routes with public transport with the itinerary I wanted to describe. 5 years ago that would have been impossible to achieve. Oops, so sorry about the English on this list. Jo 2015-02-09 1:18 GMT+01:00 Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de: Roland Ramthun o...@roland-ramthun.de wrote: Dafür suchen wir einen OSM-Benutzer, der mit OSM-Daten oder -Karten etwas machen konnte, was er ohne OSM nicht hätte umsetzen können, z.B. weil die kommerziellen Lizenzen zu teuer oder restriktiv gewesen wären oder die Daten von OSM besser waren. Das muss nichts spektakuläres sein, ... kann aber hoffentlich. ;-) Denn es gibt derzeit kein besseres Beispiel, das wie die Faust aufs Auge auf diese Fragestellung passt, wie das Point to Point Routing in den Online-Fahrplanern der Verkehrsverbünde. Dabei werden die Fußwege über OSM Daten geroutet. Es gibt es keine anderen Geodaten, die exakt das hierzu Notwendige leisten. (In Hamburg sind sogar die großen Aushangstadtpläne an den Bahnhöfen von OSM. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/IOOI/diary/21738 ) Wenn Du Lust hast der zuständigen Redakteurin Deine OSM-Nutzung kurz zu beschreiben und mit Namen in dem Beitrag auftauchen magst, würde ich mich über eine Mail sehr freuen. Die Interviews brauchen nicht mehr geführt zu werden, denn sie liegen schon als Audio oder Video vor, die man der Dame nennen könnte: Vortrag vom Aachener Verkehrsverbund und Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Sieg auf der FOSSGIS Konferenz 2011: http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2011/programm/events/191.de.html Video hierzu: http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/openstreetmap/FOSSGIS2011/FOSSGIS2011-191-de-oepnv_vrs_aav.webm Hier werden noch mehr einzigartige Gründe für OSM genannt als die aus der Fragestellung. Beide Verbünde liegen in NRW. Auch der größte Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Ruhr befindet sich gerade in Gesprächen mit der örtlichen Community, zu der es leider keine adäquate Dokumentation gibt. Mögliche Interviewpartner hätten die Mitarbeiter des Innenministeriums in Düsseldorf mit der Rheinbahn direkt vor der Nase. Audio Interview 2013 mit der Datenverarbeitungsfirma Mentz, die den Online-Fahrplaner mehrerer Verkehrverbünde großer Städte in Europa, auch des Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Ruhr gestaltet: http://podcast.openstreetmap.de/2013/08/28/osmde020-im-irc-weiss-niemand-ob-du-ein-reh-bist/#t=16:09.705 Mentz Vortrag und Video auf europäischer OSM Konferenz SOTM-EU: http://sotm-eu.org/en/slots/44 In NRW gäbe es noch ein Projekt, das aber die geforderten Attribute nicht ganz so gut trifft, nämlich der Stadtplan und der Radroutenplaner auf dem Internetauftritt der Stadt Köln. www.koeln.de Um einen Interviewpartner könnte man sich dort bemühen. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations
Oh! How soon I forget: key key=ref value=none / change to key key=ref value=lt;nonegt; / and that parses OK. Regards, Greg On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: To summarize: a proposed import of of bicycle repair stations. The database is maintained by a vendor of bicycle repair stations, the data quality is spot on in many cases, and geocoding level in other cases with the pins generally in the right area. The stations are too small to find on an air photo, but frequently do appear in press releases than be found with a search engine. The vendor uses OSM as a base map: http://www.dero.com/fixitmap/fixitmap.html The discussion is on the imports list. The data is at: http://www.dero.com/fixitmap/fixitmap.html Discussion centers on how best to improve the inexact pin locations. I've been meaning to go see one of these since you introduced the topic back in January. Curiosity fosters most of my mapping. I was in the area and surveyed the actual location. In my case the bicycle repair station was on the south side of the Cronkite building but on the north side of the parking garage. That makes sense because it was by the bike lockers. I have a bunch of pictures that I can include on your import page or add some US flair to the bicycle_repair_station tag page for the main article if you would like. Please let me know. Here's some questions and notes: I don't see the need to limit the tool list to the one listed in the bicycle_repair_station wiki page. I added service:bicycle:screwdriver to the POI that I added. That would be handy to know for other people than just bicycle people. I did not look at all the other available tools on the stand. In a note tag I added a reference to your import page. That would be useful for other mappers to know why and how. I added service:bicycle:charging=no based on the main page. There's a few electric bicycle shops around downtown. I added a website tag and pointed to the Dero fix it map. I added source_alt = survey. I am guessing that source=osmsync:dero is part of you conflation process. If so, then you might want to make that clear on you import page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Dero_Bike_Repair I dutifully added ref=none but did not understand the point. Will this be part of the conflation magic? If so, then you might want to make that clear on you import page. There is a problem with ref=none if you are going to create a one touch preset. Please see the preset below. I had to change the preset to key key=ref value=.none. /. The none generates this error during Josm startup, Error parsing ...az_preset.xml: The value of attribute value associated with an element type null must not contain the character. That was way off in left field if you ask me. must generate an xml error. item name=Dero POI icon=images/../styles/standard/vehicle/rental/bicycle.png type=node preset_name_label=true key key=amenity value=bicycle_repair_station / key key=brand value=Dero / key key=opening_hours value=24/7 / key key=operator value=Arizona State University / key key=note value=https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Dero_Bike_Repair; / key key=ref value=.none. / key key=service:bicycle:chaintool value=no / key key=service:bicycle:charging value=no / key key=service:bicycle:pump value=yes / key key=service:bicycle:screwdriver value=yes / key key=source value=osmsync:dero / key key=source_alt value=survey / key key=website value=http://www.dero.com/fixitmap/fixitmap.html; / /item Here's my change information. http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/28718833 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3339010296 I don't know if this will render but I think it would be useful to on the bicycle map. Regards, Greg ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk-be] roadsign plugin adapted for Belgium
On 2015-02-07 00:39, Jo wrote : 2015-02-07 0:09 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On 2015-02-05 22:57, Jo wrote : Hi, Over the past days, I adapted the data file for the road sign plugin for Belgium. I'd like to ask you to test it. Install the plugin the usual way and select something. Look at the top right corner of the tags pane on the right. A little icon was added there, press it and choose BE. Now it becomes easy to tag traffic signs and their effects on the ways they apply to. I'm going to ask the developers for some improvements, but it is functional already. Regarding tests, it's surprising. I click on the little icon but I see no "BE to choose". If I click Setting, I see several countries but not Belgium. Call it wishful thinking, but what I want that plugin to do is the following: 1. add the corresponding tags on the selected ways, which the sign affects 2. add BE:A1b or something of the kind on a node next to the way. This node is placed where the actual sign is. It now becomes possible to see where the tags on the way came from, call it a source, call it fuzzy, if that makes you feel better. I call it redundancy and I don't see a problem with that. I need to see that in action, but, as I told you I don't see any Belgian selection. I'm running 7995. What I'm fearing with traffic signs is what happened and continues to happen with noexit=yes. noexit=yes does not indicate that one cannot exit but that a road continuity gap that prevents passing is intentional. It is made to warn QA tools that there's no error and maybe map browsers to look at that location carefully. But contributors started to use it otherwise. They tagged it at plain dead ends just as totally uselessly as tagging noexit=no in the middle of every street. Or, as I removed some, at junctions with the obvious intention to indicate a no passing condition on one of the streets, but without showing which of the streets and even less how far, where in that street. Worse, they tagged it on ways, not realizing that a node cannot be identified by identifying a way (which end?). Worse, some of them believed that it was made to tag the No Exit signal (F45). Worse, someone silently modified the Belgian Wiki to instruct the Belgian community to do that F45
Re: [Talk-de] Bundesverkehrswegeplan
Morray os...@go4more.de wrote: kennt jemand eine gute Visualisierung des Bundesverkehrswegeplans auf OSM-Daten, die am Besten noch die ganzen Berechnungsklauseln mitvisualisiert? Rein auf OSM-Daten geht es natürlich nicht, da die Objekte des Plans, ja per definitionem so noch nicht existieren. Da kennst Du aber OSM schlecht. ;-) Die Projekte des aktuellen Bundesverkehrswegeplan 2003 sind teilweise erfüllt oder in Bau und der Rest teilweise überholt. Ihn zu visualisieren lohnt sich nicht mehr, denn sein Nachfolger Bundesverkehrswegeplan 2015 steht bald zum Absegnen durch den Bundestag an. Die Projektanmeldungen der Bundesländer sind schon bekannt gegeben: http://www.bmvi.de/SharedDocs/DE/Artikel/UI/bundesverkehrswegeplan-2015-projektanmeldungen.html?nn=35978 Aber vielleicht gibt es ja was in die Richtung? Ja, in OSM. Ein guter Teil der angemeldeten Projekte mit abgeschlossener Linienbestimmung ist schon als highway=proposed in OSM drin. Ohne Linienbestimmung macht das höchstens dann Sinn, wenn es sich um kurze Ortsumgehungen mit relativ eindeutig absehbarem ungefährem Trassenverlauf handelt. Die restlichen Anmeldungen ohne Linienbestimmung sind so vage beschrieben, dass eine Visualisierung kaum möglich ist. Alle highway=proposed sind zuviel, aber die klassifizierten (motorway bis tertiary) lassen sich noch via Overpass Turbo abrufen (bei Warnung auf Weiter klicken): http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7z7 Vielleicht weiß jemand, wie man diese Abfrage Ressourcen-schonender aus Sicht der Overpass API gestalten kann. Man kann jetzt beispielsweise mit OSMAND auf dem Handy durch die Gegend fahren oder laufen und dabei sehen, wo eine geplante Straße im Reallife verläuft oder den Fahrweg kreuzt. Ob jetzt in einem hiesigen Fall die genau dort aufgestellten Protestschilder darauf geocodiert wurden, weiß ich nicht. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
