Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

usually if its included in name its: Xyz Township not township of xyz On Feb 26, 2018 3:24 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea" wrote: > Hi Matthew: > > You do fine work here, yet I have a concern about "Township." I don't > know if in Canada, a Township is a bit of an "odd duck" like it is in the > USA.

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

Hi Matthew: You do fine work here, yet I have a concern about "Township." I don't know if in Canada, a Township is a bit of an "odd duck" like it is in the USA. In the USA, we have county as admin_level=6, township as admin_level=7 (in about one-third of states) and city/town/village as admin

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

Here is an update on progress. "Municipalities" in Ontario are done.  The following 4 names were handled as explained.  (New names came from NRCan)    2439 Municipality of the Nation   >> La Nation     710 Municipality Of Markstay-warren   >> Markstay-Warren     293 Municipality Of St.-charles

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

I will leave the wonky towns (the ones that have parentheses) for cleanup later.  The other "Town Of" are done. I am working on "Municipality Of" now. On 2018-02-18 11:04 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: Hi Bill, Thanks for the feedback.  OSM is updated accordingly. I also changed "City of Prince

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

OSM has much in common with language and, it can be said, maps (heh, in a mathematical sense) fairly directly onto language: plastic tagging syntax, rules which sometimes get broken, vivid semiotics which change with what we wish the map to visually "do" for us and usage which newly defines dif

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On 2018-02-19 06:44 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > > OSM learns by example, by documenting how we should tag > (prescriptive) and how we do tag (descriptive) … I think it's the other way around: we map first, see which ideas coalesce, then document what we've seen has worked. If OSM ever had a

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

I have summarized the discussion we had here over the last week or so  on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines for easy reference in the future.  It is: Municipality Names Municipality names are to be spelt according to how they are listed in NRCan (http://w

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names (Jarek Piórkowski)

> On 2018-02-19 05:08 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> Have you passed by talk-gb? They have a fair amount of "St" names and >> some authority as to how to do things in OSM. I haven't, but I shall. As I say quite a bit (in our wiki, e.g. California/Railroads), "it's complicated around here." THEN

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names (Jarek Piórkowski)

On 2018-02-19 05:08 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > Have you passed by talk-gb? They have a fair amount of "St" names and > some authority as to how to do things in OSM. The UK has Bury St Edmunds, Chapel St Leonards, Lytham St Annes, Ottery St Mary, St Andrews, St Anne, St Austell, St Blazey, St

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Thank you, Matthew. As I said, "slavishly follow rules," no, not necessarily. "Understand the issues," yes, through good dialog. I like what I see here, it allows good consensus to emerge, tedious and perhaps even a bit annoying as it may be. :-) SteveA On Feb 19, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Matthew

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names (Jarek Piórkowski)

; and their spelling is only ever found as "St." in any document. > > -Kevin Farrugia > kevinfarru...@gmail.com > > On 19 February 2018 at 15:31, Ga Delap wrote: > > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:56:20 +0100 > > From: Jarek Piórkowski > > Cc: talk-ca@openstree

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

31, Ga Delap wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:56:20 +0100 From: Jarek Piórkowski Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ... It is not clear to me that "Saint Catharines&q

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names (Jarek Piórkowski)

l" and > their spelling is only ever found as "St." in any document. > > -Kevin Farrugia > kevinfarru...@gmail.com > > On 19 February 2018 at 15:31, Ga Delap wrote: > > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:56:20 +0100 > > From: Jarek Piórkowski > > Cc: talk

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names (Jarek Piórkowski)

On 19 February 2018 at 15:31, Ga Delap wrote: > > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:56:20 +0100 > > From: Jarek Piórkowski > > Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names > > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > >

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names (Jarek Piórkowski)

> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:56:20 +0100 > From: Jarek Piórkowski > Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > ... It is not clear to me that &quo

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

On 2018-02-18 11:04 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > >   2 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville (Stouffville) Like so many post-Amalgamation towns, Whitchurch-Stouffville is the official name (http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FDOLC). There are some real doozies out there: Ashfield-Colbo

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

Yes, I plan to do some systematic review of the admin_level tags comparing them to addr:city / addr:suburb.   This way the community can have a data-based discussion on if addr:city etc tags are needed, or the bounaries are good enough or whatever. But first step, we need some analysis. Howev

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

It's good to see that admin_level tags (always 8? they might be 7 if township, that's a chunky topic...) are there. What I mean by "cutting room floor recycling" includes this thought: it couldn't hurt to update/touch-up/fix these after a cursory examination that's they are thumbs-up/thumbs-d

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

of Markham, has been a city for a few years. Bill Patterson -------------- *From:* Matthew Darwin *To:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:43 AM *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in On

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

> The OSM wiki states: Ah, awesome. I see recycling of cutting room floor scraps here; love it. Later, SteveA ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

Bill Patterson From: Matthew Darwin To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario The following 2 are not changed, as per my previous comment that I will not update the name if it does not

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

The following 2 are not changed, as per my previous comment that I will not update the name if it does not exist in NRCan without further review here. 1) 3 City of Vaughan (Maple) Probably "Maple" should in the addr:suburb field instead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple,_Ontario 2)

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On 17 February 2018 at 00:03, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > On Feb 16, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> With "street" in a street name, it's clear to most everyone that Pine St is >> an abbreviation and Pine Street is the correct unabbreviated Canadian >> English version. It is not

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

 BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: Matthew DarwinSent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:14 PMTo: talk-ca@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of M

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On Feb 16, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Bill & Kathy Patterson wrote: > It would seem to me that an official place name should take precedence over > OSM protocols. If we expand the abbreviations (or contractions), of St. and > Ste., then are we not altering the official place name of the feature? > > T

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

ject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names Sorry, accidentally pressed reply instead of reply all: Those are the official names, for example:http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/ search-place-names/unique/ FDJFNhttp://www4.rncan.gc.ca/ search-place-names/unique/ FDTCR --- Kevin Farrugia O

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

My favourite is Moose Factory. I think Canadian typonomy was the consesus last time we had the same subject come up On Feb 16, 2018 7:14 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > In my OSM map updates to remove of "City of" and similar prefixes from > locality names, I will not be expanding any "St", "Ste"

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

In my OSM map updates to remove of "City of" and similar prefixes from locality names, I will not be expanding any "St", "Ste" or any other abbreviations of those names.  If the name (minus the prefix to be removed) matches what is in NRCan database, I will remove the prefix; if it doesn't, I w

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On Feb 16, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > With "street" in a street name, it's clear to most everyone that Pine St is > an abbreviation and Pine Street is the correct unabbreviated Canadian English > version. It is not clear to me that "Saint Catharines" is the correct > unabbrevi

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

, but a computer might have a bit > of trouble there. And don't get me started on the absurdity that St is a > contraction, not an abbreviation. > > I'm not going to rush out and change any existing tagging but I think this > is one instance where rational thought needs to

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

; contraction, not an abbreviation. > > I'm not going to rush out and change any existing tagging but I think this > is one instance where rational thought needs to override tradition. > > From: OSM Volunteer stevea > Sent: February 16, 2018 4:03 PM > To: Jarek Piórkowski; talk

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

We call it TALK-ca for a reason! We call it OPENStreetMap for a reason! Consensus doesn't always come easy! Thanks to everyone for good discussion. SteveA ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tal

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

think this is one instance where rational thought needs to override tradition. From: OSM Volunteer stevea Sent: February 16, 2018 4:03 PM To: Jarek Piórkowski; talk-ca Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names   I stand corrected, thank you everybody. BTW I do my best not to abbrev

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

I stand corrected, thank you everybody. BTW I do my best not to abbreviate thinks like "DC" for District of Columbia, but I now better understand that "St." in many cases has now truly become the official name, abbreviation included. SteveA ___ Talk-

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Chiming in as a years-long resident-neighbour of St. Catharines, I have to concur - it is always abbreviated - city's official https://www.stcatharines.ca/en/ , regional government e.g. https://www.niagararegion.ca/transit/routes.aspx St. James's Park and St. John's Wood in London in England are "

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Sorry, accidentally pressed reply instead of reply all: Those are the official names, for example: http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FDJFN http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FDTCR --- Kevin Farrugia On Feb 16, 2018 3:50 PM, "James" wrote: > http://saultstemar

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

We (the USA) has many sources which "say" St. Louis (Missouri) but OSM has name=Saint Louis. The latter is correct in an OSM context. Following our wiki, CAN the name be spelled without an abbreviation?" If yes, then please do so. Thanks, SteveA > On Feb 16, 2018, at 12:50 PM, James wrote:

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

See also: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/19609/saint-or-st-is-there-an-official-osm-policy On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 2:50 PM James wrote: > http://saultstemarie.ca/ > > thats how its written. even on signs to there > > On Feb 16, 2018 3:47 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea" > wrote: > >> On Feb

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

http://saultstemarie.ca/ thats how its written. even on signs to there On Feb 16, 2018 3:47 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea" wrote: > On Feb 16, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > > St. Catharines, St. Thomas, Sault Ste. Marie > > I dislike sounding nit-picky, this really is meant as construc

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On Feb 16, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > St. Catharines, St. Thomas, Sault Ste. Marie I dislike sounding nit-picky, this really is meant as constructive criticism, but let's expand these names so there are no abbreviations. Our wiki https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Names says "If the name

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Nice work, I forgot to mention that removing City Of makes bilingual procesaing easier too. As you wont have "Ville de City of Toronto" On Feb 16, 2018 12:43 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > To start the cleanup process, the following *Ontario* cities are being > changed (remove "City of" or "City

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

To start the cleanup process, the following *Ontario* cities are being changed (remove "City of" or "City Of").   Once that is done, I'll come back with the next batch to process... The idea to remove the city name in its entirety will require careful consideration to ensure the necessary boun

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Bernie Connors wrote: > I see the use of "City of" as indicating the official name of a municipality > as it is defined in legislation. Here in New Brunswick the Municipalities > Act‎ defines the official names of municipalities. Some opt to use "City of > ", "Town

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Bernie is correct. "City of", "Municipality of", "x County" is a legal name that would be referring to the legal entity itself (the Government) rather than the place. The place should just be Toronto, Hamilton, Mississauga etc.. The data source these legal names comes from has the legal name as

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

I would concur. Essentially you want to search for the name of the city or town so Ottawa rather than "City of Ottawa". Cheerio John On 12 February 2018 at 21:02, Bernie Connors wrote: > I see the use of "City of" as indicating the official name of a > municipality as it is defined in legislat

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Checked for Toronto and Ottawa they do not have "City of" : http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/search?q=Toronto&theme[]=985&category=O I agree with what Bernie said, unless it's the official name. It seems it's a classification. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:02 PM, Bernie Connors wrote: > I

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

I see the use of "City of" as indicating the official name of a municipality as it is defined in legislation. Here in New Brunswick the Municipalities Act‎ defines the official names of municipalities. Some opt to use "City of ", "Town of ", etc in the Municipalities Act and some don't. But when i

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

I smell a harmonization with admin_level...not that there's anything wrong with that. SteveA ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Hi Steve, From the top list, I think this is not really a case of different names people use vs official name. Seems like a simpler issue than what you are talking about. which hopefully then is a simpler to solve.  (Not that that issue you are discussing doesn't occur as well, I'm sure). H

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Kevin thanks for the history lesson.  As I mentioned on other threads, I'm relatively new here, so I am missing the context, so I appreciate you filling it in. Looking at the 100 used "Town/City/Municipality of " names, they seem to be entirely in Ontario.  So perhaps this is mostly an Ontario

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

> i believe "city of" is redundant as its a classification vs a name. > Would we say "village of maniwaki"? nope. What "we say" and what "OSM tags" can vary slightly. Although with names, "what we say" is a great place to start and very largely correct. This is a topic which can explode quick

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

I agree that "City of" or "Ville de‎" is unnecessary.  

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On 2018-02-12 06:05 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: On Feb 12, 2018 17:51, "Matthew Darwin" > wrote: Hi, I am now reviewing the *addr**:city* tag. Seems we are not very consistent how we use it. For example, Toronto:  110707 City of Toronto    9603 Toront

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On Feb 12, 2018 17:51, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: Hi, I am now reviewing the *addr**:city* tag. Seems we are not very consistent how we use it. For example, Toronto: 110707 City of Toronto 9603 Toronto With my minimalist mapping hat on (it's invisible), if a municipality has a boundary de

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Hi Matthew, Not having the "City of" or "Town of" would be preferred - the reason those are there is that the CanVec data that was imported uses administrative names in the data. When people search or say an address out loud they would use "123 Yonge St, Toronto" not "123 Yonge St, City of Toront

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

i believe "city of" is redundant as its a classification vs a name. Would we say "village of maniwaki"? nope. On Feb 12, 2018 5:51 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > Hi, > > I am now reviewing the *addr**:city* tag. Seems we are not very > consistent how we use it. For example, Toronto: > > 1107

[Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Hi, I am now reviewing the *addr**:city* tag.   Seems we are not very consistent how we use it.  For example, Toronto:  110707 City of Toronto    9603 Toronto   4 North York, Toronto   2 Toronto, ON   2 toronto   1 York, Toronto   1 Torontoitalian   1 Toronto;City of