[Talk-GB] sport=soccer not sport=football.

2016-06-12 Thread Warin
This arises out of my edits targeting sport=football and trying to resolve these into a 'good' value. 'SomeoneElse' suggest this should be discussed here. Well ok. The discussion may disintegrate into 2 things - 'soccer is an Americanism' and 'football is common usage'.

Re: [Talk-GB] Overpass API in English

2016-07-27 Thread Warin
On 7/27/2016 5:06 PM, David Woolley wrote: On 26/07/16 19:59, Roland Olbricht wrote: DaveF has pointed out before that the word "attic" may be difficult to understand. Attic is a term that comes from the RCS revision control system. I would have thought that it was a well known

Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

2016-08-15 Thread Warin
On 8/15/2016 7:03 PM, Colin Smale wrote: Hi Will, Fully agree with you. I also tried to contribute to that changeset discussion. If you hadn't reverted that admin level change, I would have... Some of his ideas are on his diary pages [1] and my admin boundary page [2]. Colin [1]

Re: [Talk-GB] Removal of "sport" from recreation grounds, adding fixmes (was sport=soccer not sport=football.)

2016-07-06 Thread Warin
On 7/7/2016 10:32 AM, Warin wrote: On 6/13/2016 5:55 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: As a bit more background to this, see the changeset discussion comments on https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39809705 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39812846 . I got a reply re "footba

Re: [Talk-GB] Removal of "sport" from recreation grounds, adding fixmes (was sport=soccer not sport=football.)

2016-07-06 Thread Warin
On 6/13/2016 5:55 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: As a bit more background to this, see the changeset discussion comments on https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39809705 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39812846 . I got a reply re "football vs soccer", but not about any of the other

[Talk-GB] shop=sports and sport=* rather than shop=sport and sports=*

2016-07-10 Thread Warin
Hi, Apparently 'someonelese' wants local discussion on this. There is documented discussion on the wiki that puts the case and I don't feel the need to repeat it here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dsports I think using the sport=* tag means you have the same tag for both

Re: [Talk-GB] How to mark something as closed

2016-07-01 Thread Warin
a) If you delete it from the data base ... then it is possible for someone else to reenter it into the data base ... b) do something else... yes! leave it in the data base so if someone else comes along and wants to enter something there .. they can see what has been there in the past.

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

2017-02-10 Thread Warin
On 11-Feb-17 07:42 AM, Brian Prangle wrote: I've removed the offending tags from areas I know well,having walked them off and on for 30 years,i.e Snowdon massif, Glyders and Berwyns. I've left the poylgons suitably commented. Regards Brian On 9 February 2017 at 10:10, SK53

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" in Wales?

2017-02-12 Thread Warin
On 13-Feb-17 09:07 AM, Dyserth wrote: Hi all you happy people. Hi.. and a warm welcome from me. I am now subscribed to this mailing list (which I had not previously been aware of) so I can more easily find myself being openly criticized by certain "senior" individuals involved in

Re: [Talk-GB] Named landuse polygons

2017-01-17 Thread Warin
On 18-Jan-17 07:27 AM, Dave F wrote: On 17/01/2017 19:38, Warin wrote: Generally I add a node place=farm as I am not certain where the boundary lies This is a misuse of this tag. place=farm is for the rare (non existent?) cases where a residential community, such as a hamlet, has

Re: [Talk-GB] Named landuse polygons

2017-01-17 Thread Warin
On 18-Jan-17 07:23 AM, Dan S wrote: 2017-01-17 19:50 GMT+00:00 Dave F >: "The Bow Quarter" appears to be an attempt to posh up the area. Gated communities scare me as the most dangerous people are usually inside the

Re: [Talk-GB] Public Transport Smart Cards

2017-01-16 Thread Warin
On 17-Jan-17 07:27 AM, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi everyone TfWM have recently introduced the Swift Card ( similar to TfL's Oyster Card) and have started installing Swift Collectors in bus shelters and bus stations. Swift Collectors are where you insert your Swift Card to get the stored-value

Re: [Talk-GB] Users tagging Farmyard as place=farm (Was Summer quarterly project)

2016-09-14 Thread Warin
On 14-Sep-16 09:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Andy Townsend wrote: ** many "names" on OS OpenData aren't names at all (for example, search for "poultry houses" in OSM and you'll get lots of things "named" that). On the hillside above the Crawnon Valley (up from Llangynidr in the Brecon

Re: [Talk-GB] Summer quarterly project

2016-09-14 Thread Warin
On 14-Sep-16 09:53 PM, Dave F wrote: The only conclusion to fear of adding data, by any means, due to it going out of date, is to not add any data at all, and I'm pretty sure no of us want that. Dave F. Yep. If a pub has no beer then people won't use it, a pub with beer that has gone

Re: [Talk-GB] Somerset Levels

2016-11-25 Thread Warin
If you think that the data must be 100% accurate you will have a blank map ... therebe dragons. The world standard for 1 kilogram mass is an artefact (a physical object) in Paris. You might think that it is 100% accurate and you'd be wrong. The surface corrodes, gets dust on it .. that

Re: [Talk-GB] access:psv

2016-10-13 Thread Warin
On 14-Oct-16 05:22 AM, Gregory wrote: I agree with what Chris says. I continue mapping with the tagging scheme I use until someone messages me as a discussion. By ignoring current usage (regarded with more reverence than the wiki) your consumption will potentially miss new data that mapper

Re: [Talk-GB] Location: High accuracy mode on android

2016-10-09 Thread Warin
On my Android phone I can set the GPS on, WiFi off ... in the pull down settings menu. This avoids any issues with wifi errors in their location and copyright. I normally use a dedicated GPS receiver, the phone is a backup and as I normally use it as a simple phone I turn off both WiFi and GPS

Re: [Talk-GB] Landuse and transit map

2016-12-17 Thread Warin
On 18-Dec-16 01:54 AM, Rob Nickerson wrote: Two good maps worth a share: http://osmlanduse.org/#12/-1.96569/52.50985/0/ Would rather see 'Landuse' and 'landcover' as two separate maps. For instance the Wollemi National Park, the Putty State Forest (landuse features) are all covered by a

Re: [Talk-GB] beetroot or beet

2017-01-13 Thread Warin
:) Ok... beets are vegetables.. (I hope). I do like an organised tagging scheme, so I am using produce=vegetable, then vegetable=* This have two effects; a better organisation structure and the possibility to tag a field as produce=vegetable without specifying the vegetable. It also

[Talk-GB] beetroot or beet

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
Hi again, another UK English question. I use beetroot .. but beet has been used on the wiki. I think beet comes from American English. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] beetroot or beet

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
On 10-Jan-17 12:44 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: On 10/01/17 01:20, David Groom wrote: ... Tag info shows 579 ways tagged with crop = beet, of these 572 are in northern Italy added by 3 users, so its probably quite easy to ask what exactly they meant by "beet" , and retag these existing ways if

[Talk-GB] crop=grass or sod

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
Hi, There are a number of farms near me (on a flood plain) that are used to produce grass. However when I look it up on wikipedia .. I get sod. And, yes, I will know what you mean if you tell me to 'sod off' :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sod I am wondering what is 'best' GB English

Re: [Talk-GB] crop=grass or sod

2017-01-09 Thread Warin
On 10-Jan-17 08:48 AM, Paul Sladen wrote: On Mon, 9 Jan 2017, SK53 wrote: Turf has the distinct advantage of being less likely to generate sniggers. But a risk of turf wars...? Ok.. add turf to the mix My dictionary for sources says turf - Middle English (1100-1500) from Old

Re: [Talk-GB] Layby restricted to abnormal loads

2017-03-30 Thread Warin
On 30-Mar-17 05:00 PM, David Woolley wrote: On 29/03/17 21:32, ael wrote: and, for good measure, hgv=permissive. Permissive sounds wrong to me. Permissive basically reflects the rights of the land owner, and for users is the same as yes. ___

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Postcode Checking

2017-03-05 Thread Warin
On 06-Mar-17 07:30 AM, Colin Smale wrote: On 2017-03-05 21:16, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: People making mistakes on their websites with their own postcodes is more common than you might think. What does OSM's "on the ground" rule make of this? Do we tag the correct postcode

Re: [Talk-GB] Building that have been replaced

2017-08-03 Thread Warin
How different is the footprint of the new building? I would think that the new building will be of a similar size to the old one - given the planing permissions. So unless you intend to put in the new building .. I would leave it alone - that gives at least an indication that there is a

Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

2017-08-15 Thread Warin
On 16-Aug-17 05:27 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: The wiki is after all intended to document how people map not dictate how they should map. I would think that the wiki should guide to the best mapping method, not what people have done in the past (as found using taginfo for example!).

Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Warin
On 14-Aug-17 11:49 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: On 14/08/2017 14:47, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo wrote: I do not agree your change of the Wiki. You should ask before to do it. Ask who?? Don't think there is a formal process to change the wiki, and I have made a few changes without comment. I'm

Re: [Talk-GB] Multiple coincident boundary nodes. Data quality issue ?

2017-08-11 Thread Warin
Basic agreement with Colin. The 'problem' is better described as 'data bloat' rather than 'quality' which implies inaccuracy. I add the following observation I am beginning to see that the ways should have a source tag. This then means that where ways are coincident that the sources

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Summer 2017 July-Sept

2017-07-10 Thread Warin
On 11-Jul-17 03:03 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: On 10/07/2017 14:26, Stuart Reynolds wrote: I have also come across several styles of station tagging, even in my local (single line) area. What'd be really useful, actually, would someone pointing at a good "example station" in an OSM diary entry

Re: [Talk-GB] Open Litter Map now online

2017-04-25 Thread Warin
On 25-Apr-17 08:19 PM, David Woolley wrote: On 25/04/17 10:44, Dave F wrote: Unsure how you expect this site to reduce litter. It's not going to prevent people dropping their waste & it's more productive to contact your local authority to get fly-tipping debris removed. +1 A Mayor of North

Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

2017-06-04 Thread Warin
On 05-Jun-17 02:43 AM, Adam Snape wrote: Yep, the name tag is only for the name. Any other details should be a tagged separately. It might be worth contacting the user as he is a prolific editor and continues to use the name tag for descriptions egs.

Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

2017-06-05 Thread Warin
Threads, like conversations, drift Dave. On 05-Jun-17 09:35 PM, Adam Snape wrote: Hi, Yes, it's what I did regarding the original topic of this conversation. That's all sorted now. I think Warin refers to Matt Ellery's additional query from yesterday regarding a different mapper who has been

Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

2017-06-05 Thread Warin
On 06-Jun-17 08:36 AM, Dave F wrote: On 05/06/2017 22:55, Warin wrote: Threads, like conversations, drift Dave. And? So my reply applies to the drifted topic .. refer to /On 4 Jun 2017 4:44 p.m., "Matt Ellery" //wrote:// / /Hi,// // / /On a semi-related topic,// / and then to

Re: [Talk-GB] Reception desks

2017-11-15 Thread Warin
From tag info amenity=reception_desk 121 uses tourism=reception_desk 3 uses office=reception_desk 0 uses There are a few buildings named 'Reception', I think those are not named but used to indicate where the reception function is. I have one of these myself. On 15-Nov-17 10:03 PM, Marc

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Website Data

2017-12-18 Thread Warin
On 19-Dec-17 05:42 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: 18.12.2017 19:14, Frederik Ramm пишет: Hi, On 12/18/2017 03:09 PM, SK53 wrote: Personally, I'd also be chary of turning OSM into a repository of scraped data rather than one of surveyed geodata. And more: the more imports you do, the more

Re: [Talk-GB] Reception desks

2017-11-16 Thread Warin
be gained.  So I am not too worried about mapping it. So I leave it up to those concerned? On 16-Nov-17 11:58 PM, Edward Catmur wrote: On 16 Nov 2017 01:01, "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: A reception desk may not have a recepti

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Schools with fhrs:id

2017-10-21 Thread Warin
On 21-Oct-17 07:13 PM, Lester Caine wrote: On 21/10/17 08:55, Gregrs wrote: Bottom line ... there should be separate objects where that is necessary and it would be nice if the larger operations such as Rugby School helped with detailed campus maps as many of the collage and university sites

Re: [Talk-GB] Toys R Us

2018-05-05 Thread Warin
On 06/05/18 00:24, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 5 May 2018 at 14:24, Adam Snape wrote: I too disagree with intentionally ignoring outdated information. +1 However, we cannot know from our armchairs whether a store is disused but still signed What if t is? It is no longer

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS info when pub has been taken over.

2018-01-20 Thread Warin
On 21-Jan-18 09:46 AM, Colin Spiller wrote: I have similar near here. Keep the address at least! Remove the fhrs:I'd seems sensible. old:name would seam sensible too. Colin Sent from TypeApp On 20 Jan 2018, at 22:42, Andrew Black

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

2017-12-28 Thread Warin
On 29-Dec-17 07:28 AM, Mark Goodge wrote: On 28/12/2017 19:31, Lester Caine wrote: Get the return address right ... On 28/12/17 16:12, Colin Spiller wrote: I've been adding postcodes in the Bradford BD area using Robert & gregrs useful tools. I've just noticed that the Shell station at the

[Talk-GB] landuse=scrub wood

2018-07-28 Thread Warin
Hi, I'm presently targeting low use, inappropriate and non rendering values of landuse. Presently looking at landuse=scrub .. as a human use of the land I don't think scrub is one. It is a land cover and would be better tagged as natural=scrub, it makes sense and it renders! While

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Warin
On 04/08/18 20:06, Andy Townsend wrote: "Public right of way references, along with stiles and kissing gates, are for example rendered on Andy Townsend's specialist walking map." That already has an idea about "unsigned names and refs" and at some point I'll add various unsigned road refs in

Re: [Talk-GB] 'D' class roads references.

2018-08-05 Thread Warin
On 06/08/18 06:10, Martin Wynne wrote: Copyright doesn't work like that. But you can't copyright names, addresses and similar material. Road names and numbers would surely fall within that. I'm not suggesting copying the document and posting it verbatim. There was a long and costly court

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Warin
On 28/08/18 04:00, Chris Hill wrote: On 27/08/2018 18:09, Martin Wynne wrote: Landuse=highway does have some usage, and certainly the term forbidden does not exist in OSM. There is no such thing as available, if you think a new tag is needed then you can use it.

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping horse steps?

2018-08-27 Thread Warin
On 27/08/18 23:28, Andy Townsend wrote: On 27/08/18 13:32, Edward Catmur wrote: amenity=horse_dismount_block has 4 occurrences, all in the north of England. I think I'm responsible for half of those - happy to pick a different tag if someone's got a better idea! There are actually a

Re: [Talk-GB] Coastline and tidal rivers

2018-09-02 Thread Warin
On 29/08/18 01:46, Colin Smale wrote: On 2018-08-28 16:43, David Groom wrote: whilst in theory I'd say yes, in practice I'd say consensus is hard to achieve. OK, I might as well give up now then. If everybody started thinking "I don't know why I bother," like I am now, where would we be?

Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

2018-09-07 Thread Warin
On 07/09/18 21:04, Mark Goodge wrote: On 07/09/2018 11:35, Martin Wynne wrote: You were suggesting identifying them by observation, using street lights as a distinguishing factor. Yes, in the event that you are uncertain. I said it was a useful indicator. But it's not a useful indicator,

Re: [Talk-GB] University of Northampton new campus - mapper required

2018-07-13 Thread Warin
Rather than point as to what not to do .. it would be best to point to what to do. So where is the 'best' OSM mapped university? Use that as an example of what to do. On 14/07/18 08:26, Dan S wrote: I hope this is not too much of a side-issue, but: one hopeful request - plase don't use

Re: [Talk-GB] Bottle Kilns

2018-04-05 Thread Warin
On 06/04/18 03:04, Adam Snape wrote: Hi, How about disused as a lifecycle prefix rather than a simple tag eg. disused:man_made=kiln +1 I don't think much of disued=yes * building=industrial * kiln=bottle_kiln * man_made=kiln * product=pottery * disused=yes * historic=building Which bit is

Re: [Talk-GB] Bottle Kilns

2018-04-06 Thread Warin
There are more building=industrial so that may get some rendering eventually. And a kiln/bottle making is an industry so it does fit. On 06/04/18 16:40, Russ Phillips wrote: Forgot to add: Elsewhere, someone suggested using kiln=bottle_kiln and building=industrial instead of 

Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

2018-03-26 Thread Warin
Hummm There area number of places around me that have name:ru ... yet there are no signs with this language on them. And there are some in other languages too... I see nothing wrong with that. These names do not have to be present on a local sign. So I see nothing wrong with having

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-09-20 Thread Warin
On 20/09/18 20:53, Martin Wynne wrote: How can you verify it's the same stream? I can't.  I've deleted it. This raises the question of the maximum length of a culvert under a road, beyond which it is no longer permissible to map it as such. Under a country lane is ok? But under a motorway?

Re: [Talk-GB] Notice from Bedford Borough Council about Church Lane, Yielden

2019-01-16 Thread Warin
On 16/01/19 18:39, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Bedford Borough Council has sent a letter to the OSMF regarding the "Application for the Stopping Up of Public Vehicular Rights over Part of Unclassified Road U6 (Church Lane; Yielden) in the Parish of Melchbourne and Yielden, in the Country Of

Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering Problems

2019-01-18 Thread Warin
On 18/01/19 20:49, Brian Prangle wrote: Has anyone else noticed problems with edits failing to render?. Stuff I did 2 days ago still not showing up I find a new entry goes through (zoomed in) fairly quickly Changed old stuff takes it time .. and is not consistent with the zoom level. If

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Boundary-Line - Manchester political wards and related boundaries, dealing with inconsistent data

2018-12-13 Thread Warin
I have faced formal learning things by using tool A at first because it 'is easy', then the next year learning tool B because 'we' needed to do more complex things, then the next year learning tool C because 'we' needed to do the most complex things... on numerous subjects... taught in formal

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Mobility Stockport

2019-01-09 Thread Warin
On 10/01/19 07:17, Andy Townsend wrote: On 09/01/2019 18:11, Jez Nicholson wrote: Seeking your input... One thing that struck me when I had to start planning for getting from A to B with someone on a mobility scooter or in a wheelchair was that the "obvious" things (kerbs etc.) weren't the

Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

2019-01-09 Thread Warin
Even if it were open .. does OSM want it? I don't see any specific tags for it? And you do want to have them accurate and up to date. --- Example of inaccurate property extent problems .. from Australia -

Re: [Talk-GB] I have a philosophical question...

2019-01-13 Thread Warin
On 14/01/19 10:09, BD wrote: Hi All, I do make my little contribution to the effort of OSM. Recently I added some data to Mapillary and consider adding more (for the use of other mappers). After reading someone's OSM profile I started to think and now have some doubts... We (mappers) are

Re: [Talk-GB] account disabled due to bounces

2019-01-14 Thread Warin
On 14/01/19 20:09, Jez Nicholson wrote: I get the occasional email from Talk-GB telling me that my email address has excessive bounces. I'm using gmail. Am I the only one with problems? Is there something I need to change? I get the same. I enquired once and was told it was something to do

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-09-18 Thread Warin
On 27/08/18 06:05, Martin Wynne wrote: I don't think it's for those who have mapped something in OSM to demonstrate majority support for its retention. I think it is for those seeking to have others' contributions removed to demonstrate a clear consensus in favour of deletion. Should this

Re: [Talk-GB] Milton Keynes Redways - How to Tag Consistently

2019-03-20 Thread Warin
On 21/03/19 04:58, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: I am relatively new to OSM, but am trying to contribute in a useful way, particularly in my local area (Milton Keynes). Milton Keynes enjoys (among many benefits) an extensive network of joint-use Cycle Paths / Foot Paths, known as “Redways”

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC: Solar panel mapping in the UK

2019-04-04 Thread Warin
Don't use landuse=grass. Use surface=grass and/or landcover=grass to state the land cover, I'd use these with the power=plant tag. (For those that don't know .. I hate the tag landuse=grass) On 05/04/19 02:38, SK53 wrote: Yup, I don't think industrial is appropriate in many circumstances,

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-04 Thread Warin
On 04/03/19 10:22, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: On 03/03/2019 22:54, Warin wrote: If a field is used for a helicopter landing .. should you tag it as a heliport? If a one off, no, but if occasional then Helipad is appropriate in that case. My answer is - what is it regularly used

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-03 Thread Warin
On 04/03/19 03:11, Martin Wynne wrote: What is the dividing line between:  highway=bridleway  designation=public_bridleway and  highway=track  designation=public_bridleway The wiki says a track must be suitable for farm vehicles, but it's a rare bridleway that is only wide enough for a

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Thread Warin
On 11/03/19 10:03, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: On 10/03/2019 22:37, Martin Wynne wrote: Thanks for the comments. I'm surprised some folks can be so dogmatic, A surprising comment considering on your 'rarity' claim. Comment? If a clear distinction between two things is wanted then there

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Thread Warin
On 11/03/19 10:45, Martin Wynne wrote: There's clearly no evidence of 4 wheeled vehicles, so it should be marked as a bridleway, but It's advisable to check the whole length as sections can be used by vehicles such as agricultural ones to get between adjacent fields. It's a public bridleway,

Re: [Talk-GB] Measuring building height

2019-03-19 Thread Warin
On 20/03/19 07:51, Neil Matthews wrote: So, I just tried this and I think it has a reasonable chance of giving a reasonable result. Take a photo of a car outside the building. Measure number of pixels for the car and number of pixels for the building and the height can be approximated by:

Re: [Talk-GB] Invalid building levels and building (part) height license compatibility

2019-03-18 Thread Warin
On 19/03/19 10:13, Andy Townsend wrote: On 18/03/2019 21:05, Neil Matthews wrote: P.S. Any suggestions  on how I can measure buildings "on-foot" greatly apreciated... If you can't get hold of one of these*: https://www.aols.org/archives/historical-artifacts?page=13 , and if you're after

Re: [Talk-GB] Invalid building levels and building (part) height license compatibility

2019-03-18 Thread Warin
On 19/03/19 11:22, Andy Townsend wrote: On 18/03/2019 23:41, Warin wrote: For a chimney that is surrounded by a building  I used the shadow of the chimney vs the shadow of the building. That may be more feasible more of the time where you live than where I do! Point. :) Some satellite

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-14 Thread Warin
Path and footway are the same .. to me. When I first joined OSM I was told they had different default permissions to allow UK people to do a short way of tagging those permissions, true or false I don't know. Seemed like a nasty way of doing it to me. In Australia .. the view was taken -

Re: [Talk-GB] Milton Keynes Redways - How to Tag Consistently

2019-03-21 Thread Warin
On 22/03/19 02:35, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: Thanks to all for the helpful responses. I have looked (again) at the OSM Tags for Routing at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#United_Kingdom from which it is clear that foot=yes (for example) is

Re: [Talk-GB] Measuring building height

2019-03-20 Thread Warin
uncertain. Here I'd be using other methods. Is it maybe possible to get building heights from lidar data? Too much clutter (multiple reflections) in a city for that to work well I'd think. Kevin On Tue, Mar 19, 2019, at 11:17 PM, Warin wrote: On 20/03/19 07:51, Neil Matthews wrote: > &

Re: [Talk-GB] We're missing changes to M1 Junction 36 which have apparently been in place for a year.

2019-02-13 Thread Warin
On 14/02/19 03:42, Ed Loach wrote: Paul wrote: Jerry, No worries. I think I'll still pop down for a survey anyway because I now want to try the GPS + car trick and see how it turns out. We'll compare changesets later :) Much of Clacton was originally mapped using that method, when there

Re: [Talk-GB] Lake District NationalPark

2019-03-13 Thread Warin
There is a start on the 'standard' map rending https://www.openstreetmap.org/query?lat=54.6443=-2.8172#map=15/54.6447/-2.8189 The larger something is the longer it takes of the renders to see it. And if it is a change the renders are slower to see that too. Something new and small gets

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Warin
Humm What is it that needs to be tagged? Possibly some sub tags for tillage=yes/no/yearly/* ? to indicate if ploughed and if known how frequently produce:category=animal/plant to indicate the broad group of produce? This could then be applied to any 'landuse' ... no matter how it is tagged.

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-25 Thread Warin
Humm, warning, pedantic hat on... If you  cannot determine what it is used for .. don't use the tag landuse. For the presence of vegetation use the key 'natural' (it applies to both natural and unnatural things!) and if you have problems with that (like me with unnatural things being tagged

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging farmland in the UK

2019-06-02 Thread Warin
On 23/05/19 04:52, James Derrick wrote: Hi, For about three years I've been adding field-level detail to Northumberland spreading out from the main conurbations, into to the rural network of farms and up into the higher hill areas where I walk and cycle. As well as adding field boundaries

Re: [Talk-GB] Playground age limits

2019-06-04 Thread Warin
On 05/06/19 09:35, David Woolley wrote: On 04/06/2019 16:09, Martin Wynne wrote: The main reason for the fence would seem to be the several NO DOGS signs, which I have tagged. I've always assumed that such fences and the "adults must be accompanied by a child sign", that often accompany

Re: [Talk-GB] max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

2019-06-04 Thread Warin
Rather than enter text into a value where a number is expected .. why not use the description tag? Description=For supervised younger children. Description=For unsupervised older children. ?? On 05/06/19 03:51, SK53 wrote: It might be germane to this discussion to consider minheight &

Re: [Talk-GB] Preston Park, Brighton

2019-06-04 Thread Warin
On 04/06/19 20:13, Jez Nicholson wrote: I have to admit that Preston Park is my personal micromapping playground. I walk the hound there nearly every day and I can capture excruciating detail (so shoot me!). https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1800140#map=18/50.83914/-0.14432=N Any

Re: [Talk-GB] Adjacent nature reserves

2019-06-06 Thread Warin
I am reminded of at least one single way I have edited (there could be more, it was some time ago)... it is a single way used for; boundary of 2 states of Australia boundary of 2 councils boundary of 2 National Parks - note that these 'National Parks' are administered by the individual states

Re: [Talk-GB] Adjacent nature reserves

2019-06-09 Thread Warin
On 09/06/19 23:58, Martin Wynne wrote: we now have 2 natural=heaths named  as nature reserves and with operator tags but without nature reserve tags. Hi Adam, But they are now nested within a larger area which does have a nature reserve tag. Much of the publicity material for this area

Re: [Talk-GB] SuDS (Sustainable Urban Drainage Systems)

2019-06-19 Thread Warin
The area I would tag as a landuse=basin, basin=detention/retension/infiltration. That is what I have done around me. Most of these are larger than your example, the largest one that I know of is https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/282846991. Some sports field are used as a detention pond when

Re: [Talk-GB] How to tag this?

2019-05-11 Thread Warin
amenity=notice_board??? On 08/05/19 22:22, Philip Barnes wrote: Also building=phonebox which I use. The most common usage is defibrillators and bookshares. Phil (trigpoint) On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, Martin Wynne wrote: On 08/05/2019 12:46, Andy Townsend wrote: It's a bit of a stretch,

Re: [Talk-GB] Adjacent nature reserves

2019-06-27 Thread Warin
On 27/06/19 22:11, Martin Wynne wrote: seen this done in various places, but I've never understood the point it. The two representations are identical in terms of the data, but the latter requires 2.5 times as many objects and is much more of a pain to work with in the editors. This happens

Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

2019-09-03 Thread Warin
On 3/9/19 8:22 am, David Woolley wrote: On 02/09/2019 23:13, Warin wrote: On 3/9/19 2:53 am, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: On 02/09/2019 14:58, David Woolley wrote: This could conflict with a trend that I believe is developing, at least for more formal roads, of removing signage, because

Re: [Talk-GB] RNLI Dunkirk Memorial

2019-09-03 Thread Warin
On 4/9/19 7:58 am, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 at 17:03, Dan S wrote: Op di 3 sep. 2019 om 16:06 schreef Michael Booth : Even though the wiki doesn't say you can use historic=memorial on a relation, I would tag it as that. Done; though "historic" seems inapt. The "type=*" tag

Re: [Talk-GB] RNLI Dunkirk Memorial

2019-09-03 Thread Warin
On 4/9/19 9:16 am, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: The Uffington White Horse is tagged as man_made=geoglyph, which seems apposite and is documented (if underused). +1. Not all on hills, small .. or historic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marree_Man Adding a natural=bare_rock  tag to

Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

2019-09-02 Thread Warin
On 3/9/19 2:53 am, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: On 02/09/2019 14:58, David Woolley wrote: This could conflict with a trend that I believe is developing, at least for more formal roads, of removing signage, because it distracts drivers, and relying on satellite navigators to provide the

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright in OS-derived maps

2019-09-04 Thread Warin
On 5/9/19 12:26 am, Jez Nicholson wrote: The curse of derived data! So much effort to be able to share the boundary of a property. **sigh** If they had derived their data from OSM .. then all would be fine. ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-27 Thread Warin
On 26/07/19 22:14, Martin Wynne wrote: The tag is *barrier*=gate. A permanently open gate isn't a barrier, so I don't think it should be tagged as such. At least not across a way. It is a barrier ready for use. You could add a separate node to one side of the way, and tag that as a gate.

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Warin
To bring a little international perspective to this. In outback Australia the convention is "leave the gate as you found it". Unfortunately there are some who don't. To cope with this problem some gates are hung so that they close under gravity. To keep these open the farmer locks the gate

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Warin
have spent a good 10 minutes figuring out how to open then close the thing! Most are a minute, but .. The more difficult one can be seen as an intelligence test, if you pass the test you can enter :) Anything else? Good luck. On 2019-07-26 12:58, Warin wrote: To bring a little int

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-09-29 Thread Warin
On 30/09/19 00:30, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: On 29/09/2019 14:30, David Woolley wrote: I think too much effort goes into these big changes. The actual change is dead easy in JOSM. It's all this faffing about having to discuss it that takes up all the time. +1 As I said in another thread

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-09-25 Thread Warin
A liquidator will try to maximalise money returned. This could/should mean sale of fixtures and fitting of leased premisses and then terminating leases.  On 25/09/19 22:03, Edward Bainton wrote: Legal situation of leases, fixtures and fittings as far as I'm aware: - Lease continues and rent

Re: [Talk-GB] non-squared buildings

2019-09-30 Thread Warin
On 30/09/19 20:55, Andy Townsend wrote: On 30/09/2019 11:15, Jez Nicholson wrote: Some people seem quite animated about non-squared buildings in OSMcan anyone tell me why it matters so much? because 'accuracy'? A possible (slightly contentious) view might be that: * some people have

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments prior to demolition

2019-12-17 Thread Warin
My understanding? If the feature is disused then place disused: in front of the existing tag; so building=apartments becomes disused:building=apartments or building=yes becomes disused:building=yes Having both disused:building=* and disused:building=* is a conflict, it is disused or

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Warin
On 15/12/19 04:12, John Aldridge wrote: On 14-Dec-19 16:52, SK53 wrote: Like Dave I have come to the view that mapping individual fields as farmland is a good way to do it. I too concur. Here's the diary entry I wrote when I was doing the fields round here... I have at least some crop

Re: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

2019-10-09 Thread Warin
On 09/10/19 22:42, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: ... and if you had 2 devices, how would you know which is right? You would need at least 3 devices, so that you could take a majority vote. Actually 5 would better 6 is general taken as a minimum number to get a good student's T And they

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