Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-08-31 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 31 August 2010 10:05, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Looks to me like the platform is where the passengers wait (at the “bus stop”) and the “stop” role is where the bus physically stops on the way. From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop : The most widely

Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-08-31 Thread Steffen
--- Original Nachricht --- Absender: Michał Borsuk Datum: 30.08.2010 22:19 On 30 August 2010 18:34, Steffen dido_...@web.de mailto:dido_...@web.de wrot [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/13639 Why are the bus stops in the relation above separately mapped as a node (IMHO

Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-08-31 Thread Ed Loach
The nodes tagged highway=bus_stop (with role platform) are off to one side of the highway, so not part of the way. It is the nodes in the way that have the role stop. I personally wouldn’t bother with the latter as it should be obvious that the bus stops at the nearest point in the way in the

Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-08-31 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 31 August 2010 17:36, Steffen dido_...@web.de wrote: [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/13639 Why are the bus stops in the relation above separately mapped as a node (IMHO correct), and yet again as a platform? It is mapped ala Oxomoa/ÖPNV-Schema. Then drop the

Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-08-31 Thread Steffen
--- Original Nachricht --- Absender: Michał Borsuk Datum: 31.08.2010 18:14 On 31 August 2010 17:36, Steffen dido_...@web.de mailto:dido_...@web.de wrote: [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/13639 Why are the bus stops in the relation above

Re: [Talk-transit] How to map named bus stop platform/positions

2010-08-31 Thread john whelan
Since most renders only display the name to make it useful to the casual map user I'd suggest A name or B name in the name field. There is a similar problem with the GTFS stop_code. Cheerio John On 31 August 2010 14:17, Magnus Bäck ba...@swipnet.se wrote: In the Skånetrafiken public transport

Re: [Talk-transit] How to map named bus stop platform/positions

2010-08-31 Thread David Peek
I have previously used name (A) and name (B) for the same situation - and you can also place it into a separate ref=A or local_ref=A tag. -- David On 31 August 2010 19:31, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Since most renders only display the name

[talk-ph] charitable institutions?

2010-08-31 Thread tutubi
how do you tag charitable institutions like orphanages and transient homes? I know a few but have yet to add them e.g. Kamanggagawa Foundation on EDSA at the entrance gate of Philam Homes, QC -- --- I explore, therefore I blog. http://www.backpackingphilippines.com

Re: [talk-ph] charitable institutions?

2010-08-31 Thread maning sambale
Probably amenity=charity? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/charity But there are no concensus in the succeeding discussions: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/charity I suggest you add them for now and a building=yes tag. i.e. amenity=charity

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Anthony wrote: [Jane Smith] copyright are the chains of the modern worker, holding to the means of Production. Are there any moderators here? Can we get this troll banned please. I'm the list administrator for legal-talk. I'm not quite sure what offence 'Jane Smith' might have committed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Liz
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Please Do Not Feed The Trolls. The person who has chosen the pseudonym Jane Smith has a right to have their point heard. I would not consider this person to be a troll, whether or not I am the person recalled as intending to be publicly

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 04:41:16AM +, Jane Smith wrote: copyright are the chains of the modern worker, holding to the means of Production. We all know copyright has maps. But data underneath is important so that is what we workers should control. No copyright was the true reason for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 30.08.2010 13:43, schrieb John Smith: 2010/8/30 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: data will not be available under ODbL temporarily. I'm very sure it will be re-mapped, probably within less than a year. I disagree, especially without access to some of the existing data sources, and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 31.08.2010 06:36, schrieb Anthony: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: You are still assuming that copyright is universally valid despite court cases that demonstrate that it isn't. What does that mean? Copyright is not universally valid? Even Iraq has

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Liz
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote: data will not be available under ODbL temporarily. I'm very sure it will be re-mapped, probably within less than a year. I disagree, especially without access to some of the existing data sources, and so far no one is offering to come to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 31.08.2010 12:30, schrieb Liz: I was referring to user-mapped data. Imports have to fit the license, not the other way around. At the time of import the data imported fitted the licence. Perhaps you had better look back at the archives for March 08 and see the discussion over the LINZ

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread John Smith
2010/8/31 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: Are you suggesting that one contributor should have power over many, just because they contributed more data? Because that seems what you are saying by using the import as an argument against the CT and the ODbL relicensing. At this stage

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Grant Slater
On 30 August 2010 10:36, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: As far as I understand the licenses, nobody is permitted to fork the OSM data without permissions, and it is thus not truly open: - with CC-BY-SA, you'd have to ask every contributor the permission to fork their data (or is only

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 31.08.2010 12:56, schrieb Liz: On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote: Am 31.08.2010 12:30, schrieb Liz: I was referring to user-mapped data. Imports have to fit the license, not the other way around. At the time of import the data imported fitted the licence. Perhaps you had better

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: Using OSM material for our online tool

2010-08-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ole Brandenburg wrote: I would be thankful if someone can point me in the right direction. We plan to use the OSM API for our map tool (at stepmap.de). We currently have a list of roughly 1,500 pre-defined maps and a zoom-feature that enables users to create their own map/region. The OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Anthony
2010/8/31 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: Am 31.08.2010 06:36, schrieb Anthony: What does that mean?  Copyright is not universally valid?  Even Iraq has copyright now.  May not be universal, but 99.9% of the world has copyright. Iran's copyright protects only works by Iranians.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I'm the list administrator for legal-talk. I'm not quite sure what offence 'Jane Smith' might have committed that would cause you to want her to be banned. She is clearly posting under a fake name: so are at least

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Rob Myers
On 08/31/2010 03:09 PM, Anthony wrote: So that's all allowed? Okay then. Let the games begin. I can create a few extra gmail accounts to troll the list with too. I think it's more that we should ignore (people who we think are) obvious trolls. I'm not sure that Marxist views on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-31 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Actually, IMHO, it's was wrong of the OSM project to do neither a copyright assignment nor a license that has a clear clause on automatic possibility of upgrade to a newer license in the same spirit (i.e. and and later

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-31 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 31 August 2010 17:00, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Maarten Deen schrieb: On 29-8-2010 19:21, Rob Myers wrote: It's basically the same as copyright assignment. Which can work well for projects of non-profit foundations. Copyright assignment is not signing a blank sheet of paper.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-31 Thread Francis Davey
On 31 August 2010 16:00, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: No, but it is signing a paper that states exactly which information (all your OSM data? all your GNU code?) is handed over to a specific entity (the OSMF? the FSF?) in terms of copyright entirely and it's up to that entity to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-31 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 29.08.2010 11:10, schrieb jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: yes, i think i see what you are saying: the license will be the only protection against third party abuse. I think that copyleft is good enough. I believe

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: An ODbL fork would not have same rights to the data as OSMF would have. It would be a somewhat asymmetrical fork. You cannot fork the substance of the contributor terms. True, but I believe this discussion was about whether you can fork the future ODbL OSM without having to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 September 2010 07:21, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I think that most people would say that's a feature, not a problem. But you aren't asking most people since you don't want to know the true answer. ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Ed Loach
Chris wrote: I think this is an argument for Public Domain. As far as I understand the licenses, nobody is permitted to fork the OSM data without permissions, and it is thus not truly open: - with CC-BY-SA, you'd have to ask every contributor the permission to fork their data (or is

Re: [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 01:05:59PM +1000, John Smith wrote: On 31 August 2010 06:51, Jane Smith janesmith...@gmail.com wrote: That is not true as 80n has shown. It's an anti-thetan license with pseudo GPL clauses and is Racist against Australians. While some love to keep confusing the

Re: [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On 31/08/2010 6:23, Jane Smith wrote: We should demand that osmf give control to 80n. You are welcome to stand for board elections next year. Regards, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-31 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Then mark the reasons it's not suitable. We have this same discussion with cycling (in fact, Peter Miller had an entire presentation on this issue

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-31 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 30/08/2010 14:53, Steve Bennett wrote: So you could end up mapping highway=path; bicycle=yes; width=1; surface=dirt; in great detail, and totally miss the fact it's unrideable. Use mtb:scale and/or sac_scale, to

Re: [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 31.08.2010 10:35, schrieb Florian Lohoff: Its about the new complexity - I am not against ODBL+CT + whatever per se. It might be the better solution - although its much more complex as we see - I would like the new license to be much simpler than before and i am willing to pay to price of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Francis Davey
On 31 August 2010 12:25, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Yes, this is the intent of the section 3 of the Contributor Terms. It allows a mechanism for the community to adopt a new license in the future. It is the main point of contension with some of the imported dataset.

Re: [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread David Fawcett
A nice breath of clarity... On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:04 AM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Chris wrote: I think this is an argument for Public Domain. As far as I understand the licenses, nobody is permitted to fork the OSM data without permissions, and it is thus not truly open: -

Re: [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Robert Kaiser
Chris Browet schrieb: I think this is an argument for Public Domain. All of this is, as in many jurisdictions, using CC-BY-SA for such data basically means PD as the CC license doesn't apply anyhow - at least that's how understand it. Robert Kaiser

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 08/31/2010 03:09 PM, Anthony wrote: So that's all allowed?  Okay then.  Let the games begin.  I can create a few extra gmail accounts to troll the list with too. I think it's more that we should ignore (people who we

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-31 Thread Robert Kaiser
Maarten Deen schrieb: On 29-8-2010 19:21, Rob Myers wrote: It's basically the same as copyright assignment. Which can work well for projects of non-profit foundations. Copyright assignment is not signing a blank sheet of paper. No, but it is signing a paper that states exactly which

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-31 Thread Robert Kaiser
John Smith schrieb: On 30 August 2010 20:03, Rob Myersr...@robmyers.org wrote: The majority ( 50%) of GPL projects are now GPL 3. Which is hardly an argument against allowing relicencing. There is a little bit of a difference between changing versions that are merely an extension of the

[OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
Last night in the process of responding some comments to our GPS selling campaign (http://www.fayerwayer.com/2010/08/chile-compra-un-gps-barato-y-ayuda-a-openstreetmap/) (The goals being to buy a lot of Data Loggers and a server for the local community) I found out that Waze is using OSM for its

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread SteveC
I have pinged waze with this. Have fun, Steve | stevecoast.com On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: Last night in the process of responding some comments to our GPS selling campaign

[OSM-legal-talk] Wikipedia on Google Map Maker

2010-08-31 Thread Anthony
[quote] The project is similar to OpenStreetMap (OSM), but unlike OSM which provides its map data under a Creative Commons license, Google obtains ... a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform,

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread IgnacioZ
Also, where are the modifications from all the clients (it seems the Iphone version of Waze uploads new tracks). Are they contributing back? Regards, Ignacio. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:19 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I have pinged waze with this. Have fun, Steve | stevecoast.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:40:32AM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 04:41:16AM +, Jane Smith wrote: copyright are the chains of the modern worker, holding to the means of Production. We all know copyright has maps. But data underneath is important so that is

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
So what ? Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Julio Costa Zambelli Verzonden: dinsdag 31 augustus 2010 18:11 Aan: OSM-talk Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data Last night in the process of responding

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread IgnacioZ
Just asking... are they sharing the new tracks? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:09 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: So what ? Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-31 Thread 80n
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: On 30 August 2010 10:36, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: As far as I understand the licenses, nobody is permitted to fork the OSM data without permissions, and it is thus not truly open: - with

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
No. On 31 August 2010 16:22, IgnacioZ zigna...@gmail.com wrote: Just asking... are they sharing the new tracks? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:09 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: So what ? Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van:

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
Is it me or they just decided to erase the whole thing? (I am noticing the new tiles at the lower zoom levels) On 31 August 2010 16:51, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: No. On 31 August 2010 16:22, IgnacioZ zigna...@gmail.com wrote: Just asking... are they sharing the

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread Jonas Krückel
FYI http://opengeodata.org/thanks-and-huge-apology-to-the-openstreetmap -Jonas Am 31.08.2010 um 23:26 schrieb Julio Costa Zambelli: Is it me or they just decided to erase the whole thing? (I am noticing the new tiles at the lower zoom levels) On 31 August 2010 16:51, Julio Costa Zambelli

[OSM-talk] Waze and OSM in Chile

2010-08-31 Thread Noam Bardin
Guys, we saw your post on Chile (thanks for letting us know). We investigated it with our partner in Latin America and discovered a data source who has been infringing on OSM data. We have taken immediate action by removing all data from that source while our partner investigates further.

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread Noam Bardin
Julio and Ignacio, thank you for bringing this to our attention. See our blog post at http://www.waze.com/blog/thanks-and-huge-apology-to-the-openstreetmap-community/ You guys were right and we took immediate action and deleted all potentially infringing data (see full story on the post).

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze and OSM in Chile

2010-08-31 Thread SteveC
Awesome. As I said on opengeodata - this is a cool example of a firm taking swift action on an unintended problem and working well with a community. +1 to waze. Steve stevecoast.com On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Noam Bardin wrote: Guys, we saw your post on Chile (thanks for letting us

[OSM-talk] Can OSM sources be public domain CC-0(zero)?

2010-08-31 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
Hello, When I map, sometimes I add sources to my contributions. It could be a bus route relation where I may add the GPS trace I took while riding the bus as the source for the route. Other times if I name a street I may use a geotagged/geolocated photo of the street sign as a source.(thus

Re: [OSM-talk] Can OSM sources be public domain CC-0(zero)?

2010-08-31 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
I believe if you are the owner of the data, you can put any license you care on it and liberate it for use with OSM regardless of chosen license. As long as you state in some way that the data is free for use within OSM or something. brgds Aun Johnsen On 31/08/2010, at 18:46, Niklas

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze and OSM in Chile

2010-08-31 Thread Gregory Arenius
Noam, Out of curiosity...I imagine you folks investigated just using the OSM data directly even if you have to give attribution? What made you decide to go with other data providers that you have to pay for? Was it coverage or routability or? I'm only asking because on the surface it looks

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
Noam, Thank you for taking this as seriously as it needs, and solving the whole issue this fast. Regards, Julio Costa On 31 August 2010 17:35, Noam Bardin n...@waze.com wrote: Julio and Ignacio, thank you for bringing this to our attention.  See our blog post at

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] BV het Pieterpad

2010-08-31 Thread Lambertus
Met wegtype=unknown bedoel je highway=road? Die combinatie is speciaal voor dit soort situaties bedoeld. Just checking... On 2010-08-31 08:53, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Voorzover de wegen zich al in OSM bevinden is het niet moeilijk. Als de weg er niet op staat map

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] BV het Pieterpad

2010-08-31 Thread robert
Lambertus, Ik heb de pagina http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Kaarteigenschappen#Wegen er even op aangepast. Lijkt me wel handig voor alle toekomstige mappers. groet Robert Quoting Lambertus o...@na1400.info: Met wegtype=unknown bedoel je highway=road? Die combinatie is speciaal

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] BV het Pieterpad

2010-08-31 Thread Ben Laenen
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: De eerste etappe zit erin. Pieterburen Winsum. Dat was een makkie. Bijna alleen verharde wegen. Ik kies ervoor om voorlopig alle etappes een aparte relatie te geven, en daarna het hele Pieterpad in een superrelatie te brengen.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] BV het Pieterpad

2010-08-31 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Ik heb in het Pieterpad ook al stukjes gezien met verschillen voor heen en terug. Of dat zinvol is weet ik niet, maar het is het er nu al zo druk dat ze de vervoersbewegingen moeten scheiden ??? ;) Verder is het nu mogelijk om de dagetappes apart te laten zien. We moeten ook nog eens nadenken

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] BV het Pieterpad

2010-08-31 Thread robert
Het controleren of wegen keurig aansluiten gaat in JOSm inderdaad erg mooi. de controle over de relaties heen in een superrelatie heb ik zelf geen ervaring mee. Wanneer hij dit zou doen, zou dat natuurlijk fantastisch zijn. Weet iemand of dat er toch misschien ergens in zit en of dat er dan

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Liz
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Andrew Harvey wrote: FYI. As per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#One_feature.2C_one_OSM-ob ject I've removed a whole bunch of nodes where the same feature was mapped out as a way. I made sure not to loose any tags in the process. Changeset

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Ross Scanlon
Welcome to talk-au I don't subscribe to the newbies list, so have no idea who is preaching what on that list. Thanks for letting us know here what you did, so that we can discuss and provide our point of view. Aussies of course revel in being different :) Sarcasm switch firmly on. --

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Does not show up here.  I see only one name Campbell Primary School.   Cyclemap and Osmarender show both names at maximum zoom. Often the node name is rendered on top of the way name, so you only see one. This depends on

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 August 2010 17:30, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: Sarcasm switch firmly on. :D Can anyone explain why aussie humour isn't understood in most other parts of the world? ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Liz
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, John Smith wrote: On 31 August 2010 17:30, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: Sarcasm switch firmly on. :D Can anyone explain why aussie humour isn't understood in most other parts of the world? I put the question to google, and

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Does not show up here.  I see only one name Campbell Primary School.   Cyclemap and Osmarender show both names at maximum zoom. Often the node name is rendered on top of the way name, so you only see one. This depends

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: In the case of Campbell Primary School it only renders one name at even the highest zoom level. I'm seeing two names at the highest zoom level. ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 August 2010 19:11, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: In the case of Campbell Primary School it only renders one name at even the highest zoom level. I'm seeing two names at the highest zoom level. URL?

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: URL? http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/18/239684/158567.png Is your browser caching old tiles? No. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 August 2010 19:16, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: URL? http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/18/239684/158567.png I was after the perm link

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:16:35 +1000 Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: URL? http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/18/239684/158567.png Is your browser caching old tiles? No.

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:24 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 August 2010 19:16, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: URL? http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/18/239684/158567.png I was

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Ross Scanlon
On 31 August 2010 19:16, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: URL? http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/18/239684/158567.png I was after the perm link

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 August 2010 19:28, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: This is exactly what I did, but Ross said this is not correct (barring the one or two source tags I incorrectly copied across that I offered to fix). There may be a miscommunication, but you definitely don't need/nor should

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Additionally just don't delete 300 or so nodes without seeing if it's by general agreement rather than just announcing that you've done it. Ok sorry, in future I'll make announcements here. I just didn't want to spam the

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 August 2010 19:41, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Additionally just don't delete 300 or so nodes without seeing if it's by general agreement rather than just announcing that you've done it. Not that you'd do anything like that, John :) Actually that's probably one of the few

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 August 2010 20:00, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: Ok sorry, in future I'll make announcements here. I just didn't want to spam the list and I knew it could be reverted anyway. The longer you leave things to do a revert, the more problematic it will be, best to discuss

Re: [talk-au] FYI I removed a whole bunch on nodes where ways existed for the same object.

2010-08-31 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 31 August 2010 11:08, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 August 2010 20:00, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: Ok sorry, in future I'll make announcements here. I just didn't want to spam the list and I knew it could be reverted anyway. The longer you leave

Re: [Talk-is] Varðandi merkingar á hjólalei ðum

2010-08-31 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2010/8/30 Arni Davidsson arni...@gmail.com: 2010/8/29 Karl Georg ka...@ekkert.org Á meðan Routing tólin Gúddera síga taggaða highway=path sem hjólaleið þá er það fín skilgreining á milli hjólreiðabrautar og hjólaleiðar í almenna stíga/götu kerfinu. Það hlýtur að vera mikilvægt að setja 

Re: [Talk-de] Navipowm 0.2.4.

2010-08-31 Thread André Joost
Am 30.08.10 19:04, schrieb dieter jasper: Am 30.08.2010 18:28, schrieb Wolfgang Wienke: Hallo! Am 30.08.2010 08:58, schrieb André Joost: Am 27.08.10 17:44, schrieb Wolfgang Wienke: Hallo! Am 27.08.2010 14:23, schrieb Georg Feddern: Auf http://sourceforge.net/projects/navipowm/files/ unten

Re: [Talk-de] Bilder von Ausfahrten etc.

2010-08-31 Thread Simon Poole
Thomas schreibt Trotz allem bleibe ich bei meiner Grundaussage, dass die *Information* auf den Bildern der Autobahn-Tafeln nicht schützbar ist. Ich gehe auch davon aus, es war in diesem Thread aber nicht klar ob wirklich nur die Info verwendet werden sollte. So oder so, man kann auch

Re: [Talk-de] Gemeindegrenzen der Schweiz

2010-08-31 Thread Fred Jelk
genauer wird es wohl effektiv nicht. Gemäss http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Grenzen_der_Schweiz#Datensatz ist die Lagegenauigkeit 3.8 Meter. Von daher ist 1.5 Meter perfekt. Gruss Fred Am 30.08.2010 21:34, schrieb Thomas Ineichen: Ich hab jetzt nicht nachgeschaut, welche Bibliothek

Re: [Talk-de] Openstreetmap-Daten für Navigationssy steme der Automobilhersteller?

2010-08-31 Thread Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Dienstag 31 August 2010 06:22:12 schrieb Thomas Reincke: Am 30.08.2010 23:28, schrieb Ulf Lamping: Solange die Hersteller nicht freiwillig ihre Formatbeschreibungen rausrücken würde ich daher nicht mit OSM basierten Karten für diese rechnen. Hat niemand gute Beziehungen zu

Re: [Talk-de] Openstreetmap-Daten für Navigationssyste me der Automobilhersteller?

2010-08-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 31. August 2010 06:22 schrieb Thomas Reincke m...@thomas-reincke.de: Am 30.08.2010 23:28, schrieb Ulf Lamping: Solange die Hersteller nicht freiwillig ihre Formatbeschreibungen rausrücken würde ich daher nicht mit OSM basierten Karten für diese rechnen. Hat niemand gute Beziehungen zu

Re: [Talk-de] Openstreetmap-Daten für Navigationssyst eme der Automobilhersteller?

2010-08-31 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Am 31.08.2010 07:20, schrieb Benjamin Lebsanft: Keiner der Navi Hersteller hat ne (quasi) Monopolstellung. Da wirst du es wohl ziemlich schwierig haben. Es geht ja um herstellerseitig vorgerüstete Festeinbau-Navis. Aber wenn man da etwas tun wollte, dann sollte man erstmal für die

[Talk-de] Nochmal Lizenzwechsel, Zustimmungstext

2010-08-31 Thread Wolfgang
Hallo, ich habe mir die Zustimmungsseite mal angesehen, und ich glaube, dass ein wesentliches Hindernis für manche die fehlende Übersetzung ist. Hier wird eine rechtsverbindliche Erklärung gefordert, deren Text nicht jeder _vollständig_ versteht (außer Franzosen, Italienern und englischen

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmal Lizenzwechsel, Zustimmungstext

2010-08-31 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Dienstag 31 August 2010, 10:19:09 schrieb Wolfgang: ich habe mir die Zustimmungsseite mal angesehen, und ich glaube, dass ein wesentliches Hindernis für manche die fehlende Übersetzung ist. Hier wird eine rechtsverbindliche Erklärung gefordert, deren Text nicht jeder vollständig versteht

[Talk-de] Harmann/Becker NTG2 Was: Openstreetma p-Daten für Navigationssysteme der Automobilherst eller?

2010-08-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 06:47:18PM +0200, Frank Sautter wrote: hallo zusammen, in vielen deutschen autos sind navigationssysteme von blaupunkt (vw/audi gruppe, bmw) bzw. becker (mercedes) bereits ab werk eingebaut. Das hier ist ueberigens mal so nen content von der W211 NTG2 DVD:

Re: [Talk-de] Openstreetmap-Daten für Navigationssys teme der Automobilhersteller?

2010-08-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 09:56:13AM +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: das ist proprietäre Software, das _ist_ der Wettbewerb (Geschäftsgeheimnis). Ich sehe nicht, warum die Ihre Formatbeschreibung rausrücken müssten. Vermutlich ist eher das Gegenteil der Fall: Du wirst verklagt werden, wenn Du

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmal Lizenzwechsel, Zustimmungstext

2010-08-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:26:58AM +0200, Bernd Wurst wrote: Da hast du recht, aber eine rechtsverbindliche Zustimmung auch noch rechtsverbindlich zu übersetzen ist ein ziemlich aufwändiger Schritt. Man könnte inoffizielle Übersetzungen anbieten, aber das was man unterschreibt muss bei

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmal Lizenzwechsel, Zustimmungstext

2010-08-31 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am Dienstag 31 August 2010, 10:47:32 schrieb Florian Lohoff: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:26:58AM +0200, Bernd Wurst wrote: Da hast du recht, aber eine rechtsverbindliche Zustimmung auch noch rechtsverbindlich zu übersetzen ist ein ziemlich aufwändiger Schritt. Man könnte

Re: [Talk-de] Openstreetmap-Daten für Navigationssy steme der Automobilhersteller?

2010-08-31 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Dienstag 31 August 2010, 10:30:10 schrieb Florian Lohoff: Vermutlich ist eher das Gegenteil der Fall: Du wirst verklagt werden, wenn Du deren Format reengineerst und veröffentlichst. Ohne jetzt Rechtsanwalt zu sein - aber war da nich was mit reverse engineeren zu

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmal Lizenzwechsel, Zustimmungstext

2010-08-31 Thread Stefan Schwan
Hallo Am 31. August 2010 10:47 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: Und was ist wenn der User dann nachweisen kann kein English zu koennen und gar nicht wusste was er da zustimmt? Dann ist der Vertrag nichtig oder? http://dejure.org/gesetze/BGB/119.html Das es eben nicht in der Muttersprache

Re: [Talk-de] PD-Argumente reloaded (war: Lizenzwechsel: freiwillige Zustimmung ...)

2010-08-31 Thread godofglow
Ich wiederhol mich ja echt ungern. Aber ist denn niemand in der Lage ein paar Folien mit verschiedenen Fallbeispielen in verschiedenen Sprachen zu erstellen. Eine Art Gegenüberstellung der Lizenzen. Das würde das ganze Transparent machen.. -- View this message in context:

Re: [Talk-de] PD-Argumente reloaded (war: Lizenzwechsel: freiwillige Zustimmung ...)

2010-08-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hola, On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:34:53PM +0200, Manuel Reimer wrote: Wenn sich herausstellt, dass doch Veränderungen durchgeführt wurden, dann ist die Lizenz auch mit Freigabe eines unveränderten Source-Pakets nicht erfüllt. Ich als Autor würde also weiterhin auf Erfüllung der Lizenz

Re: [Talk-de] Nochmal Lizenzwechsel, Zustimmungstext

2010-08-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:07:40AM +0200, Stefan Schwan wrote: Ich bin auch kein Anwalt - in Deutschland herrscht allerdings anders als in Frankreich und Italien Vertragsfreiheit[1] - dh du kannst jede beliebige Sprache für einen Vertrag verwenden, solange der Vertrag nicht gegen zwingende

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