Re: [Talk-it] STARS4ALL - Mapathon sull'inquinamento luminoso

[Aury88]

Marco Minghini wrote
> Ciao a tutti,
> 
> vi segnalo un'interessante iniziativa promossa dal progetto STARS4ALL [1],
> un progetto europeo H2020 che ha lo scopo di incrementare la
> consapevolezza
> sugli effetti negativi delle luci artificiali sulla salute umana, la
> biodiversità, la visibilità delle stelle, e altro.
> 
> Il progetto ha organizzato un workshop mercoledì 30 novembre presso
> l'Acquario Civico a Milano [2], a cui potete registrarvi qui [3].
> Nell'ambito del workshop è stato organizzato anche un mapathon su OSM (a
> partire dalle 16) focalizzato sulla mappatura dei lampioni. Qui [4]
> trovate
> maggiori informazioni sul mapathon.

Ciao Marco,
grazie mille per la segnalazione dell'evento. Come un po' tutti gli
astrofili sono molto sensibile alla questione inquinamento luminoso.

questa sera cercherò di tradurre il più possibile la pagina wiki dedicata a
questo sistema di tagging[1]


e domani magari proverò a mappare qualche lampione dalle mie parti usando
l'hastag
* #Mapathon Stars4All. Fighting Light Pollution*
Grazie ancora, ciao!
[1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:light_source



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[talk-au] As of 28th November, Pokemon Go in Australia has been displaying OSM as the world map

[Daniel Graus]

It may pay to be extra vigilant of new edits by new mappers in the coming
weeks.

The version of the map that is currently showing in Pokemon Go appears to
not be current, edits made after August this year are not appearing.
Licencing and copy write information for OSM has also now been added to the
"about" page in the Pokemon Go app.

In my experience, most mappers who have come to OSM due to Pokemon Go have
had good intentions and just needed a little guidance (as all newbies and
even long term mappers often need) but there are always a few who are
seeking to exploit the system.

As a pre-Pokemon Go casual OSM mapper and a Pokemon Go player, I am happy
to answer any questions that might help identify Pokemon Go edits that
might be incorrect.

Best wishes,

Daniel (WoodWoseWulf)
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Re: [talk-ph] OSM contributions - some basics for a newby

[Glen Scott]

Thanks Erwin, all noted.

I'm sure I'll have further questions on conventions or even basic editing
queries - is it best to ask here or via personal email, and if the latter,
who should I ask?

I've seen the PH conventions page, and finding it useful (e.g. tagging fish
farm pond "water") but one example where I'm not 100% clear would be the
pond dividers, where I see there are a few techniques in use, well at least
two (a) leaving some land between the ponds, and (b) making one large pond
and dividing it with lines tagged as embankments.  I see both in use; my
attempts so far have been to leave strips of land, though the embankment
line approach would be quicker.

Cheers

Glen



On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:

> Hi Glen. Thank you for your edits. We're happy to have you.
>
> Google's StreetView, unfortunately, shares a similar restriction to its
> Map service, and also not a valid source of information. I recently [0] had
> to redact data that was added from the map, that used this source for their
> edits.
>
> MapCentral, and any other copyright restricted sources, cannot also be
> used. Either you collection this information yourself (an excellent
> opportunity to stretch the legs, and get to know the neighborhood better),
> or convince the data owners to re-publish this data on OSM.
>
> In lieu of StreetView, you might like to try out Mapillary[1] or
> OpenStreetCam [2] to capture street-level imagery yourself.
>
> /Erwin
>
> [0]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/35
> [1]: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=map=15.91667=
> 120.3=10 
> [2]: http://openstreetcam.org/map/
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:42 AM Glen Scott  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm making some contributions to NW Pangasinan (I'm from Australia, my
>> wife is from Alaminos) and would like to discuss some "rules" and seek some
>> advice...
>>
>> I think I may have already broken one rule re road tagging, but not using
>> the tag "service road" since that has a different use here.  But having
>> found the Philippines conventions page I promise to fix those indiscretions
>> in time...
>>
>> One question is around legitimate information sources - I understand
>> Google Maps can't be used - but can street view be used (great for seeing
>> the name of auditoriums etc.)?
>>
>> Can Mapcentral be used for Barangay names and borders or is there a
>> better source?  I see the Mapcentral borders differ considerably to the
>> Google Maps borders.
>>
>> I've sent one email to Alaminos City town hall re street names - no
>> response to date but will give them a call of I don't hear from them over
>> the next week.  Any other sources of street names?  Post office?  I'll be
>> there next March and can always ask people on the street, though some of
>> the streets in new sub-divisions don't appear to have houses yet
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Glen
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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontro locale /Roma/ lunedì 27 novembre 2017

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Grazie Flaminia,

ho copiato tutto nel wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rome/Incontro/27Novembre2017

Ciao,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[Mike Thompson]

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Wow  again, this time a lot more efficient.  With 29,000 ways, very fast
> Result.
>
Glad it is fast on 29,000, I only tested on 2,500.  Any additional ideas or
suggestions can be entered on GitHub (or you can just send them to me
directly).


>
> An other interesting aspect with your scripts, you let us learn how to
> make such scripts.
>
Happy to share what I have learned, but I feel I am still in the student
mode myself. Next I would like to create a plugin.
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Re: [Talk-us] Highway exit renumbering

[James Mast]

old_ref=*


That's what we used to document old refs here in PA when I-279 & I-376 got 
recently renumbered due to an extension of I-376 taking over part of I-279.


Here's an example of this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/683643865

[https://www.openstreetmap.org/assets/osm_logo_256-835a859acf0d378e1d14e88b15e7b4b95211ccd41a2c061b1629cfbbb8deb697.png]

Node: ‪65‬ (‪683643865‬) | 
OpenStreetMap
www.openstreetmap.org
OpenStreetMap is a map of the world, created by people like you and free to use 
under an open license.




From: d w 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:56:45 PM
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-us] Highway exit renumbering

Hi all,

I'm a bit new to mapping on OSM. A highway in Rhode Island (I-295) is getting 
renumbered, and I have no idea how to tag the old exit numbers. I looked for 
guidance on the wiki and some mailing list archives, but couldn't find it. My 
assumption that old exit numbers should be tagged with k=old_ref. Is this right?

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Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[john whelan]

I don't have an interest in buildings as such what a lot of my mapping is
concerned with validating HOT projects.  I generally sit on three and check
the work as its done.  Working like this I can catch new mappers making
mistakes and give them gentle feedback to get the overall quality of
mapping up a little.  It also helps get the project completed.

We are talking very new mappers here doing things like labeling buildings
name=road.  building=unclassified, highway=yes.  area=yes has dropped off
recently from the new mappers but its still fairly common.

As a percentage the errors aren't that high but from a data quality point
of view every little helps and if you catch them young they'll add fewer
errors in future or at least that is the hope.

Maproulette I seem to recall will spot crossing highways with no node.
Currently there are about a thousand of these in Egypt looking at
unclassified and above.  JOSM validation does quite a nice job of detecting
these and its a lot quicker than running maproulette.  Occasionally I'd
come across a pocket of duplicated buildings where one mapper had drawn
over the buildings a second time.  Sometimes it was even the same mapper
and that's where the interest came from.

I am aware that the area and number of buildings is used to estimate
population the exact incantations needed to do this I'm not familiar with
but duplicated buildings throw these calculations off because the same
building is counted twice and that's why I'd like to get rid of them.

One problem with using an XML dump is they age very quickly.  I use country
dumps, for adding crossing nodes and untagged ways they are fine for
roughly four days.  After that you start to get conflicts.  When deleting
the last thing you want to do is delete one of a pair of buildings if the
other has already been deleted.  So for deleting duplicate buildings it's
very much a case of go to the area and freshly download it.

For the case of twenty buildings mapped as one.  I really don't know what
to do.  From a population count point of view the area is roughly right and
generally I leave them alone.

Again for badly mapped buildings where they aren't square what do you do?
If you square them its an approximation and my science background says
anytime you approximate something you are adding in errors.

For ones that are three times the size of the buildings and look like a
flag blowing in the wind?  Again what do you do?  I think these are close
to junk and should probably be deleted.  Others will say no they should be
cleaned up.  Fine except cleaning them up takes far more effort than it
would take to remap them with the building_tool plugin and they really
screw up the population estimates.  Many of these have a HOT project number
in the tag by the way.

Cheerio John

On 28 November 2017 at 17:57, SandorS  wrote:

> John,
>
> yes, the buildings in Africa are really messed up. But yet, they are there
> in contrast to some largest digital map-makers. Just take a look on some
> examples like here https://goo.gl/CYVahc or here https://goo.gl/UWuBcf or
> here https://goo.gl/9iNYCm or here https://goo.gl/jUuqmS. There are
> several 10s of thousands similar errors like in the examples. But even
> though the absolute number is large, it is only a percent or two compared
> to the total number of buildings in Africa. And as I told you it is
> possible to repair almost all the above illustrated anomalies. It is
> challenging and I am working on it using the source data (XML dump) from
> some weeks ago.
>
> So, if you are patient for several days, you will get the buildings for
> Africa probably with the best preparation and based on the potential in the
> source data. The data will be in shp format accompanied by some statistics,
> additional geometries for control and a short documentation.
>
> Of course, if you don need these I will not bother you. But at least, you
> could use the stuff as an option to compare if you use other models.
> Anyway, the subject might not be of interest for other members so if you
> still want the buildings we could just switch to bilateral communication
> about some details (for instance Africa, the continent and Madagascar,
> eventually some small islands, in which projection(s) and so on).
>
> Regards, Sandor.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[Erwin Olario]

This could be useful for the Project NOAH cleanup task[0].

How's that going, anyway? Maning?

/Erwin

[0]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/13

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Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2017, 04:13
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings
To: john whelan 
Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list 


John, Pierre,

I made some improvements to the select duplicate buildings script. It now
uses a spatial index, which makes it a lot faster on large datasets. It
also now uses the actual area of the buildings and their intersection, as
opposed to their bounding boxes. I will work on your other requests, but
may not have a lot of time for the next few weeks.

Mike

https://github.com/MikeTho16/JOSM-Scripts

Select Duplicate Buildings
Selects duplicate, or near duplicate, area buildings in JOSM's active
datalayer.
A "near duplicate" is a building whose area overlaps another building's
area by more than 50%. Only the first building encountered of an
overlapping pair is selected. This is done so the issue does not have to be
looked at twice. The selected buildings are added to the current
selection.
Currently only works with buildings that are ways (not multipolygons).

To Run:
* Install JOSM's Scripting Plugin (only necessary once)
* Place file in a convenient location on your system (only necessary once)
* Click "Scripting" (on top menu bar)
* Click "Run"
* Click "..." button and select the script file.
* Click "Run"


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Re: [Talk-us] Highway exit renumbering

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi, 

To my mind it’s completely optional to preserve this information unless it’s 
somehow still used on signage. I’ve seen old_ref=… used here in Utah and that 
tag seems to be in wide use: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/old_ref#map 
 

Martijn

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, d w  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm a bit new to mapping on OSM. A highway in Rhode Island (I-295) is getting 
> renumbered, and I have no idea how to tag the old exit numbers. I looked for 
> guidance on the wiki and some mailing list archives, but couldn't find it. My 
> assumption that old exit numbers should be tagged with k=old_ref. Is this 
> right?
> 
> Thanks!
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[Talk-us] Highway exit renumbering

[d w]

Hi all,

I'm a bit new to mapping on OSM. A highway in Rhode Island (I-295) is
getting renumbered, and I have no idea how to tag the old exit numbers. I
looked for guidance on the wiki and some mailing list archives, but
couldn't find it. My assumption that old exit numbers should be tagged with
k=old_ref. Is this right?

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[OSM-talk-be] Geospatial devroom at FOSDEM: 4/2/2018

[joost schouppe]

The huge FOSDEM is back In Brussels! There's a geospatial track, and OSM
related stuff is welcome there. There's a tight deadline though.
Submissions should be sent by December 1st!


FOSDEM is a free and non-commercial event bringing together about 8000
developers in Brussels, Belgium. The goal is to provide open source
software developers and communities a place to meet and share
thoughts. The participation is free of charge, although donations are
welcome. The next edition will take place on 3 - 4 February 2018. For
the fourth time there will be a Geospatial devroom and will be
happening on Sunday *4/2/2018*!

Geospatial technologies and mapping used to be specialist work, but
nowadays location and maps are becoming part of many
projects/applications, which usually use only a small subset of the
possibilities the data and software offer.

The geospatial devroom is the place to talk about open, geo-related
data and software and their ecosystem. This includes standards and
tools, e.g. for spatial databases, and online mapping, geospatial
services, used for collecting, storing, delivering, analysing, and
visualizing purposes.

We welcome submissions about:
* Web and desktop GIS applications;
* Collaborative editing / versioning of geodata and metadata;
* Interoperable geospatial web services and specifications;
* Collection of data using sensors / UAVs / satellites;
* Geo-analytic algorithms / libraries;
* Geospatial extensions for classical databases (indexes, operations)
and dedicated databases;
* Big geodata, distributed and scalable GIS applications;
* Volunteered Geographic information - Crowdsourced geodata.

HOW TO SUBMIT YOUR PROPOSAL FOR A TALK

Are you thrilled to present your work to other open source developers?
Would you like to run a discussion? Any other ideas? Please submit
your proposal at:

 https://fosdem.org/submit

Make sure to select the 'Geospatial devroom' as 'Track'. If you have
an account from previous years, you should be using the same.

Please specify in the notes if you prefer for your presentation either
a short timeslot (lightning talks ~10 minutes) or a long timeslot (20
minutes presentation + discussion). However, note that time slots are
indicative and will be assigned according to the timing of the
session.

The DEADLINE for submissions is Thursday **1st December 2017**.

Notification of acceptance will be sent to the Authors by 11/12/2017
at the latest.

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to get in touch
with the organisers of the devroom at fosdem-geospatial at gisky.be!

Want to know what FOSDEM geospatial is like? Check out the videos and
the presentations of our previous editions.

The organizers
Johan Van de Wauw
Margherita Di Leo
Anne Ghisla
Martin Hammitzsch
Marc Vloemans

[1] https://archive.fosdem.org/2015/schedule/track/geospatial/
[2] https://archive.fosdem.org/2016/schedule/track/geospatial/
[3] https://archive.fosdem.org/2017/schedule/track/geospatial/
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Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[Pierre Béland]

Hi Frederik, 
I tried with the area I provided as example in Bali. Interesting to learn that 
we can export a group like that to JOSM for editing / correcting.See this zone 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-8.447237794027034/115.40394650097596

As I said in a thread for Maproulette, QA tools such as MapRoulette or Osmose, 
while exporting data, should use a common  tag added to te changeset metadata 
to describe the Coordination QA tools used to spot problems and edit an area. I 
am not sure if only the comment is recognized actually. If so, a hashtag could 
refer to both osmose and the item with something like #Osmose-item-xxx where 
xxx describes the item.
See this JOSM ticket that address transfer of HOT TM tags 
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/10758and this HOT TM ticket 
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/703

 
Pierre 
 

Le mardi 28 novembre 2017 16:17:55 HNE, Frédéric Rodrigo 
 a écrit :  
 
 You can use the export menu to load all the pinned objects into JOSM, by 
using the remote command.


Le 28/11/2017 à 22:11, john whelan a écrit :
> The problem is how do you fix them?  Having something directly in JOSM 
> is useful. They tend to appear in clusters so step one is find the 
> cluster.  Step two is sort the duplicates out.
>
> There really is some very poor mapping of buildings and this at least 
> identifies the ones that there should be no disagreement about whether 
> they should be deleted or not.
>
> One day we'll sort out what to do about the very badly mapped 
> buildings that at least two other mappers have referred to as junk but 
> that's another story.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 28 November 2017 at 15:46, Frédéric Rodrigo  > wrote:
>
>    With Osmose you can also get only large building intersection by
>    filter on severity
>
>    
>http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#zoom=11⪫=49.9788=8.3169=Mapnik=T=0%2C8300=1%2C2==
>    
>
>
>    Or addressee the class 2 only.
>    http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=0=2
>    
>
>
>    Le 22/11/2017 à 02:26, john whelan a écrit :
>
>        >Osmose has an 'overlapping building' option. Top of the list
>
>        I want something to feed into JOSM and not just any building
>        that overlaps by 5%.
>
>        Thanks John
>
>        On 21 November 2017 at 19:49, Dave F
>                
>                >> wrote:
>
>            Osmose has an 'overlapping building' option. Top of the list
>
>            Note: Some building are drawn on top of eachother to
>        produce 3D
>            rendering of multi-storey buildings.
>
>            DaveF
>
>
>
>            On 21/11/2017 23:16, john whelan wrote:
>
>                Can someone describe a method I can locate these in
>            JOSM.  I'm
>                not after crossing buildings but just those that are
>            mapped twice
>                so two buildings with 50% or more overlap.
>
>                Straight duplicates aren't a problem but ones that are
>            drawn
>                twice by two different mappers are.  Yes I know it
>            shouldn't
>                happen but it does.
>
>                Thanks John
>


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Abri en pierres sèches

[sly (sylvain letuffe)]

Patrice Krupka wrote
> mais à l'envoi des modifications osm avertit que shelter_type est
> utilisé sans amenity=shelter.

La page du wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type qui
décrit l'usage du tag "shelter_type" dit que c'est un complément de
amenity=shelter mais rien n'indique qu'il peut accompagner historic=shelter
qui d'ailleurs n'est pas documenté

Je vois donc deux choix valables : 
- ajouter amenity=shelter
ou
- enlever shelter_type=basic_hut

(le 3ème étant de lancer une consultation pour voir si
shelter_type=basic_hut pourrait accompagner un tag qui indique une chose qui
fût mais qui n'est plus mais si on trouve rien de mieux !)


Patrice Krupka wrote
> Avez-vous un conseil sur la meilleur façon de faire ?

Je dirais que ça va dépendre de la "cazelle" concernée. (object que je ne
connais pas par chez moi)

* amenity=shelter : je le mettrais si elle est utilisable comme abri contre
vent et pluie, qu'il est autorisé d'y rentrer
* shelter_type=basic_hut en revanche, c'est pour ça :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shelter_type%3Dbasic_hut
Pour y avoir "droit" Il faut donc que la cazelle dispose :
- d'emplacements prévus et adaptés pour dormir
("adapté" ne voulant pas dire "possible" : dans une grotte on peut dormir, à
la belle étoile on peu dormir, mais là, il faut une volonté, toujours
actuelle, d'en permettre le dormage)
- soit entièremt sellé (en gros qu'une isolation thermique non négligeable
soit fournie)

* historic=yes si elle est d'intérêt historique : oui c'est subjectif, à
l’appréciation du mappeur

Pour l'option du historic=shelter, je ne suis pas sûr avec la longue page
wikipedia d'avoir bien compris l'usage ancestrale :
Avant, sa vocation était d'être un abri ouvert à tous ?
Ou c'était plutôt un outil de travail pour bergers qu'il ne valait mieux pas
squatter sous peine de se faire dégager ?

historic=shelter évoque pour moi le fait qu'il s'agissait avant d'un
amenity=shelter (un abri public) ayant perdu sa fonction de nos jours.





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Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[SandorS]

John,
yes, the buildings in Africa are really messed up. But yet, they are there in 
contrast to some largest digital map-makers. Just take a look on some examples 
like here https://goo.gl/CYVahc or here https://goo.gl/UWuBcf or here 
https://goo.gl/9iNYCm or here https://goo.gl/jUuqmS. There are several 10s of 
thousands similar errors like in the examples. But even though the absolute 
number is large, it is only a percent or two compared to the total number of 
buildings in Africa. And as I told you it is possible to repair almost all the 
above illustrated anomalies. It is challenging and I am working on it using the 
source data (XML dump) from some weeks ago.
So, if you are patient for several days, you will get the buildings for Africa 
probably with the best preparation and based on the potential in the source 
data. The data will be in shp format accompanied by some statistics, additional 
geometries for control and a short documentation.
Of course, if you don need these I will not bother you. But at least, you could 
use the stuff as an option to compare if you use other models. Anyway, the 
subject might not be of interest for other members so if you still want the 
buildings we could just switch to bilateral communication about some details 
(for instance Africa, the continent and Madagascar, eventually some small 
islands, in which projection(s) and so on).
Regards, Sandor.

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From: john whelan
Sent: 28 November 2017 22:13
To: Frédéric Rodrigo
Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

The problem is how do you fix them?  Having something directly in JOSM is 
useful. They tend to appear in clusters so step one is find the cluster.  Step 
two is sort the duplicates out.

There really is some very poor mapping of buildings and this at least 
identifies the ones that there should be no disagreement about whether they 
should be deleted or not.

One day we'll sort out what to do about the very badly mapped buildings that at 
least two other mappers have referred to as junk but that's another story.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carto Party à l'IGN

[Christian Quest]

Je suis allé à cette journée sur le collaboratif organisée par l'IGN, 
curieux de voir ce que l'IGN entendait pas "collaboratif" et quelle 
serait la présentation qui en serait faite.


On est en fait bien loin des principes sur lesquels reposent OSM et donc 
il est bien difficile de comparer.


En fait, l'IGN a développé des outils qui permettent ce que j'appellerai 
du collaboratif "fermé". Il s'agit de "l'Espace Collaboratif", qui est 
composé entre autre d'une appli mobile qui dans son fonctionnement 
semble se rapprocher de MapContrib mais est plutôt destinée à alimenter 
des bases fermées. Au moins les outils permettent (enfin) de travailler 
en collaboration même si ça reste en circuit fermé. C'est un petit pas 
dans une bonne direction, mais bien incomplet.


Difficile de vous en parler plus en détail, la journée a été bien plus 
axée sur la communication en mode "mais on fait du collaboratif depuis 
bien longtemps". Ça me rappelle toutes ces SS2I qui font de l'agile 
depuis "bien longtemps" elles aussi... ou plutôt font croire (ou croient 
à force de le répéter) qu'elles en font.


Le matin, 3 exemples de collaboration, bien plus proche des partenariats 
au cas par cas entre l'IGN et un autre acteur institutionnel, et donc 
pas trop de rapport avec ce que nous entendons par collaboratif.



L'après midi je suis allé à l'atelier sur les adresses et je suis 
reparti bien attristé par le contenu de cet atelier... 1h et 30 slides 
de prévus... tout en "top down", rien de collaboratif. Aucune rupture 
réelle avec les vieilles recettes usées.



Bref, ne cherchez pas à comparer avec ce que nous pratiquons au 
quotidien, ça n'a rien à voir même si le vocabulaire est repris (ou 
détourné). Le vernis ne suffit pas à changer le tableau.



Je suis rentré bien dépité par cette journée... que j'ai écourté car je 
n'en pouvais plus.



Le 28/11/2017 à 07:22, Jean-Christophe Becquet a écrit :

Bonjour,

Le 16 novembre dernier, l'IGN organisait une Carto Party
http://www.ign.fr/institut/actus/journee-utilisateurs-collaboratif-vous

Mais ils n'ont pas l'air de s'appuyer sur OSM :

« La Carto Party : manipulez l'application mobile de l'Espace
collaboratif pour collecter des données et visualisez les résultats sur
une carte. »

Et sauf si j'ai mal compris, les données issues de ce travail
collaboratif ne sont pas partagées sous licence libre
https://espacecollaboratif.ign.fr/cgu/

« Par ailleurs, le Cocontractant accepte que ses Signalements et/ou
données puissent être librement réutilisées par l’IGN pour les besoins
de mise à jour de ses bases de données, ainsi que pour la diffusion au
public sous la licence au choix de l’IGN, payante ou gratuite. »

Bonne journée

JC


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Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[Pierre Béland]

Wow  again, this time a lot more efficient.  With 29,000 ways, very fast 
Result. 
I did not believe it since only perfect duplicates of buildings were selected. 
This was done by a new contributor that did participate to a geoweek mapathon 
responding for the Volcano emergency in Bali. He did use JOSM and was probably 
not trained enough to look at Validations results from JOSM. At least, he 
should have spot these duplicates of nodes+ways. In less then two weeks this 
contributor edited almost 25,000 JOSM objects (ie, nodes, ways or relations). A 
good prospect but quite important to correct rapidly of new contributors 
working so intensely. 
see this zone 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-8.447237794027034/115.40394650097596
Looking at this Bali area, I saw many new contributors quite motivated and who 
added a lot of buildings. But it seems not enough monitoring from the 
organizers. This tool can surely help.
 An other interesting aspect with your scripts, you let us learn how to make 
such scripts.
regard

Pierre 
 

Le mardi 28 novembre 2017 15:13:22 HNE, Mike Thompson  
a écrit :  
 
 John, Pierre,
I made some improvements to the select duplicate buildings script. It now uses 
a spatial index, which makes it a lot faster on large datasets. It also now 
uses the actual area of the buildings and their intersection, as opposed to 
their bounding boxes. I will work on your other requests, but may not have a 
lot of time for the next few weeks.
Mike
https://github.com/MikeTho16/JOSM-Scripts

Select Duplicate Buildings 
Selects duplicate, or near duplicate, area buildings in JOSM's active 
datalayer.A "near duplicate" is a building whose area overlaps another 
building'sarea by more than 50%. Only the first building encountered of an 
overlapping pair is selected. This is done so the issue does not have to be 
looked at twice. The selected buildings are added to the current selection.  
Currently only works with buildings that are ways (not multipolygons).
To Run:* Install JOSM's Scripting Plugin (only necessary once)* Place file in a 
convenient location on your system (only necessary once)* Click "Scripting" (on 
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Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[Frédéric Rodrigo]

You can use the export menu to load all the pinned objects into JOSM, by 
using the remote command.



Le 28/11/2017 à 22:11, john whelan a écrit :
The problem is how do you fix them?  Having something directly in JOSM 
is useful. They tend to appear in clusters so step one is find the 
cluster.  Step two is sort the duplicates out.


There really is some very poor mapping of buildings and this at least 
identifies the ones that there should be no disagreement about whether 
they should be deleted or not.


One day we'll sort out what to do about the very badly mapped 
buildings that at least two other mappers have referred to as junk but 
that's another story.


Cheerio John

On 28 November 2017 at 15:46, Frédéric Rodrigo > wrote:


With Osmose you can also get only large building intersection by
filter on severity


http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#zoom=11=49.9788=8.3169=Mapnik=T=0%2C8300=1%2C2==



Or addressee the class 2 only.
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=0=2



Le 22/11/2017 à 02:26, john whelan a écrit :

>Osmose has an 'overlapping building' option. Top of the list

I want something to feed into JOSM and not just any building
that overlaps by 5%.

Thanks John

On 21 November 2017 at 19:49, Dave F

>> wrote:

    Osmose has an 'overlapping building' option. Top of the list

    Note: Some building are drawn on top of eachother to
produce 3D
    rendering of multi-storey buildings.

    DaveF



    On 21/11/2017 23:16, john whelan wrote:

    Can someone describe a method I can locate these in
JOSM.  I'm
    not after crossing buildings but just those that are
mapped twice
    so two buildings with 50% or more overlap.

    Straight duplicates aren't a problem but ones that are
drawn
    twice by two different mappers are.  Yes I know it
shouldn't
    happen but it does.

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Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[john whelan]

The problem is how do you fix them?  Having something directly in JOSM is
useful. They tend to appear in clusters so step one is find the cluster.
Step two is sort the duplicates out.

There really is some very poor mapping of buildings and this at least
identifies the ones that there should be no disagreement about whether they
should be deleted or not.

One day we'll sort out what to do about the very badly mapped buildings
that at least two other mappers have referred to as junk but that's another
story.

Cheerio John

On 28 November 2017 at 15:46, Frédéric Rodrigo 
wrote:

> With Osmose you can also get only large building intersection by filter on
> severity
>
> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#zoom=11=49.9788;
> lon=8.3169=Mapnik=T=
> 0%2C8300=1%2C2==
>
> Or addressee the class 2 only.
> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=0=2
>
>
> Le 22/11/2017 à 02:26, john whelan a écrit :
>
>> >Osmose has an 'overlapping building' option. Top of the list
>>
>> I want something to feed into JOSM and not just any building that
>> overlaps by 5%.
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
>> On 21 November 2017 at 19:49, Dave F > > wrote:
>>
>> Osmose has an 'overlapping building' option. Top of the list
>>
>> Note: Some building are drawn on top of eachother to produce 3D
>> rendering of multi-storey buildings.
>>
>> DaveF
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21/11/2017 23:16, john whelan wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone describe a method I can locate these in JOSM.  I'm
>>> not after crossing buildings but just those that are mapped twice
>>> so two buildings with 50% or more overlap.
>>>
>>> Straight duplicates aren't a problem but ones that are drawn
>>> twice by two different mappers are.  Yes I know it shouldn't
>>> happen but it does.
>>>
>>> Thanks John
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carto Party à l'IGN

[osm . sanspourriel]

Pour être positif : l'IGN te fait signer un contrat montrant clairement que tout ce que tu fais bénévolement c'est pour leur pomme.

À comparer à un Alphabet qui a inventé l'alpha et l'oméga du servage librement consenti.

Qui n'a pas été obligé, pour valider un formulaire, de dire à Google comment reconnaître une voiture, un magasin ou un panneau de signalisation ?

Et ce gratuitement, sans contrat de travail.

Et librement imposé par celui qui veut simplement lutter contre les remplissages robotisés de formulaires.

 

On n'a pas un développeur tenté par une application qui pourrait nous rendre service et qui aurait le même intérêt pour nous. Style OpenSolarMap pour revalider ce que des humains ont librement indiqué ?

 

Ceci dit, on est en droit d'espérer mieux de l'IGN et oui cette pratique est assez scandaleuse puisqu'on ne sait pas à quelle license est attachée son travail. Ca pourrait être ODbL. Non, je déconne.
 

Jean-Yvon

 
 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. November 2017 um 13:06 Uhr
Von: "Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr" 
An: "Discussions sur OSM en français" 
Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carto Party à l'IGN



Je pense que même au plan légal ce type de "contrat" ne l'est pas du tout. Il est totalement unilatéral (la totalité des droits pour l'IGN, aucun service ni aucune rémunération rendue, un déni complet de responsabilité de l'IGN, et la totalité des obligations uniquement pour les inconscients qui n'ont pas compris qu'ils acceptaient un contrat d'esclavage, avec sanctions à la clé en plus).

On peut se demander quel département juridique de l'IGN a pondu ces conditions, visiblement ils feraient mieux d'engager des avocats compétents et consulter les services officiels de contrôle de l'Etat. D'ailleurs aucun syndicat ou représentant du personnel de l'IGN pour se plaindre de ce type de pratique? C'est pire qu'un contrat de chauffeur chez Uber, aucune reconnaissance du travail rendu !


 
Le 28 novembre 2017 à 09:51, Nicolas Moyroud  a écrit :

Bonjour,

L'IGN voit que le collaboratif fonctionne bien dans le monde de l'information géographique, mais comme ils n'ont toujours rien compris à ce qui motivent les contributeurs de ce genre de projets, ils s'imaginent qu'ils vont pouvoir récupérer ce mode de fonctionnement pour faire bosser gratuitement des gens qui vont servir leurs propres intérêts (commerciaux bien entendu). L'idée de collaborer avec OSM n'a même pas dû effleurer les grands décideurs de l'IGN : de la donnée libre bah c'est nul, ça peut pas nous rapporter des sous... Déprimant !

Nicolas

Le 28/11/2017 à 07:22, Jean-Christophe Becquet a écrit :
Bonjour,

Le 16 novembre dernier, l'IGN organisait une Carto Party
http://www.ign.fr/institut/actus/journee-utilisateurs-collaboratif-vous

Mais ils n'ont pas l'air de s'appuyer sur OSM :

« La Carto Party : manipulez l'application mobile de l'Espace
collaboratif pour collecter des données et visualisez les résultats sur
une carte. »

Et sauf si j'ai mal compris, les données issues de ce travail
collaboratif ne sont pas partagées sous licence libre
https://espacecollaboratif.ign.fr/cgu/

« Par ailleurs, le Cocontractant accepte que ses Signalements et/ou
données puissent être librement réutilisées par l’IGN pour les besoins
de mise à jour de ses bases de données, ainsi que pour la diffusion au
public sous la licence au choix de l’IGN, payante ou gratuite. »

Bonne journée

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Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[john whelan]

Very nice.  The process I'm using is run it to find the rough area that
contains duplicate overlapping buildings.  Then redownload the area so its
fresh.  Then scroll through the buildings.  Sometimes one is beeter tagged
and more accurate than the other so you really do have to scroll through
them with the to do list.

Thanks John

On 28 November 2017 at 15:11, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> John, Pierre,
>
> I made some improvements to the select duplicate buildings script. It now
> uses a spatial index, which makes it a lot faster on large datasets. It
> also now uses the actual area of the buildings and their intersection, as
> opposed to their bounding boxes. I will work on your other requests, but
> may not have a lot of time for the next few weeks.
>
> Mike
>
> https://github.com/MikeTho16/JOSM-Scripts
>
> Select Duplicate Buildings
> Selects duplicate, or near duplicate, area buildings in JOSM's active
> datalayer.
> A "near duplicate" is a building whose area overlaps another building's
> area by more than 50%. Only the first building encountered of an
> overlapping pair is selected. This is done so the issue does not have to
> be
> looked at twice. The selected buildings are added to the current
> selection.
> Currently only works with buildings that are ways (not multipolygons).
>
> To Run:
> * Install JOSM's Scripting Plugin (only necessary once)
> * Place file in a convenient location on your system (only necessary once)
> * Click "Scripting" (on top menu bar)
> * Click "Run"
> * Click "..." button and select the script file.
> * Click "Run"
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Re: [talk-au] Import boundary of Googong Foreshores

[Leith Bade]

:-( looks like not much progress has been made on supporting protected_area
- https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/603


Thanks,
Leith Bade
le...@bade.nz

On 29 November 2017 at 07:48, Leith Bade  wrote:

> Does the renderer support the protected area tag? It has not shown up on
> the map.
>
> I note that state forests also fail to render the border, but the name
> still shows.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Leith Bade
> le...@bade.nz
>
> On 28 November 2017 at 23:20, Leith Bade  wrote:
>
>> Thank you both, I will use Andrew Davidson's suggestion as it is indeed
>> primarily a water catchment reserve.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Leith Bade
>> le...@bade.nz
>>
>> On 28 November 2017 at 14:01, Andrew Davidson  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28/11/17 12:08, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>>
 Sounds fine to me, especially given most NSW national parks have
 already been imported via the LPI Base Map as you pointed out.

 You can use both leisure=nature_reserve and boundary=protected_area.
 I'm not familiar with that reserve but you'll need to pick the closest
 protect_class you think it matches http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
 wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area.

>>>
>>> Googong Foreshores is not a nature reserve so don't use
>>> leisure=nature_reserve. It was set up to protect water quality so the best
>>> match is:
>>>
>>> boundary=protected_area
>>> protect_class=12
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[Frédéric Rodrigo]

With Osmose you can also get only large building intersection by filter 
on severity


http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#zoom=11=49.9788=8.3169=Mapnik=T=0%2C8300=1%2C2==

Or addressee the class 2 only.
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=0=2


Le 22/11/2017 à 02:26, john whelan a écrit :

>Osmose has an 'overlapping building' option. Top of the list

I want something to feed into JOSM and not just any building that 
overlaps by 5%.


Thanks John

On 21 November 2017 at 19:49, Dave F > wrote:


Osmose has an 'overlapping building' option. Top of the list

Note: Some building are drawn on top of eachother to produce 3D
rendering of multi-storey buildings.

DaveF



On 21/11/2017 23:16, john whelan wrote:

Can someone describe a method I can locate these in JOSM.  I'm
not after crossing buildings but just those that are mapped twice
so two buildings with 50% or more overlap.

Straight duplicates aren't a problem but ones that are drawn
twice by two different mappers are.  Yes I know it shouldn't
happen but it does.

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Re: [Talk-it] Agenzia delle uscite - Consultazione cartografia catastale - Web Map Service

[carlo folini]

... Per chi dice che l'amministrazione pubblica non ascolta i cittadini...
Purtroppo questa volta potevano farne a meno!!!
Ho scritto al gestore di regione Lombardia del geoportale facendo notare
quanto erano bravi a lasciare una licenza SA sui dati del catasto rispetto
all'agenzia delle entrate... Mi hanno risposto che hanno aggiornato la loro
pagina e adesso anche loro hanno la ND :'(

Effettivamente era un atto dovuto per loro.

Ho scritto all'agenzia delle entrate facendo riferimento alla direttiva
europea
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-840_en.htm
Chiedendo l'applicazione di una licenza più ampia.

Speriamo che siano benevoli e ci rendano disponibili i *nostri* dati.


Il 26 nov 2017 10:00 PM, "Alessandro Sarretta" <
alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

Ciao Alessandro,

On 26/11/2017 20:56, Alessandro Palmas wrote:


> Licenze specifiche: CC-BY-NC-SA 3.0 Italia
> Vincoli di accesso: Copyright

Quest'ultima riga cosa vuol dire assieme alla licenza della riga sopra?
Help :-(

non vorrei essere subito smentito ma, a quanto ne so, le licenze CC
preservano il copyright dell'autore che però invece di dichiarare "all
right reserved", esplicitamente permette alcuni usi (condividere e/o
modificare) dell'opera nel rispetto di alcune condizioni (BY, SA, NC, ND).

Ale


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Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[Mike Thompson]

John, Pierre,

I made some improvements to the select duplicate buildings script. It now
uses a spatial index, which makes it a lot faster on large datasets. It
also now uses the actual area of the buildings and their intersection, as
opposed to their bounding boxes. I will work on your other requests, but
may not have a lot of time for the next few weeks.

Mike

https://github.com/MikeTho16/JOSM-Scripts

Select Duplicate Buildings
Selects duplicate, or near duplicate, area buildings in JOSM's active
datalayer.
A "near duplicate" is a building whose area overlaps another building's
area by more than 50%. Only the first building encountered of an
overlapping pair is selected. This is done so the issue does not have to be
looked at twice. The selected buildings are added to the current
selection.
Currently only works with buildings that are ways (not multipolygons).

To Run:
* Install JOSM's Scripting Plugin (only necessary once)
* Place file in a convenient location on your system (only necessary once)
* Click "Scripting" (on top menu bar)
* Click "Run"
* Click "..." button and select the script file.
* Click "Run"
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[Talk-GB] Ilya's Community Validation tool

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

There has been a lot of discussion about how best to add third party Shell
petrol station data to OSM. Based on your feedback Ilya has developed a
Community Validation tool [1][2].

Given that one of the core objectives of the UK OSM Chapter is to "promote
and facilitate the release by organisations in the United Kingdom of data
that is suitable for use in OpenStreetMap" I'd like to get your feedback on
this. In particular would it be ok for OSMUK to use this as an example of
one (of many) "good" ways to add 3rd party data?
I've opened a thread on Loomio so that you can +1 or -1. Please note it's
not a vote on Ilya's Shell project - this is purely me wanting to judge the
feelings of the OSM community.

https://www.loomio.org/d/2ur3xVew/how-happy-are-we-with-community-validation-tool-

Feel free to post on here too but it would be nice if you do not sit on the
fence!!

Thanks,
*Rob*

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Conflator#Community_Validation

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Abri en pierres sèches

[Eric Brosselin - Osm]

Bonjour,


@ Jean-Claude
/En général, ces abris n'ont pas d'intérêt historique, je remplacerais 
donc historic par amenity. //

/

Comment définit-on l' "intérêt historique" ? ce n'est pas évident.
Là on a affaire à ce que l'on appelle communément du "petit patrimoine". 
Cela a donc un intérêt.
Certaines de ces constructions ont un intérêt historique "certifié" car 
elles sont protégées à divers titres dont parfois l'inscription

ou le classement aux Monuments Historiques (clé /heritage=*/)
/De plus, ils sont encore utilisables, raison de plus d'utiliser 
amenity. /
Ce qui voudrait dire que seulement si ce n'était pas "utilisable" cela 
pourrait rester "historique" ?


Si on repose le problème.
Historiquement la fonction de ces constructions était d'être des abris 
agricoles temporaires ou saisonniers, des lieux de stockage de production,

voire des abris à vocation pastorale

Ont-elles toujours la même fonction qu'autrefois ? Je ne pense pas.
Donc aujourd'hui s'agit t-il *avant tout* d'abris pour les 
promeneurs/randonneurs surpris par les intempéries
ou alors d'éléments patrimoniaux et donc historiques (la plupart de ces 
constructions datant des XVIII et XIXe siècles)




@ Marc  @ Patrice

/Cette page mériterait sûrement une discussion avec un groupe local./

Il y a des gens qui cartographient, entre autres, ces constructions.
Plus que le Glossaire c'est cette page qu'il faut regarder >>> 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Garrigues

En plus c'est mieux question mise en forme ;-)

Cette page présente le «Collectif des Garrigues» et ce qu'ils font au 
niveau OpenStreetMap  :/

/- cartoparties >>> http://www.wikigarrigue.info/wakka.php?wiki=CartoParties
- restitutions cartographiques (uMaps entre autres) sur le portail 
CartoGarrigues >>>http://www.wikigarrigue.info/wakka.php?wiki=CartoGarrigue/

/
Comme participants actifs inscrits sur cette page voir :
- _Amélie_ >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Am%C3%A9lie
- _Pays GCN_ >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pays_gcn



@ Marc
/Par contre le tag loc_name est erroné. [...] Ou inventer un 
shelter_type:fr=cazelle/
Sur la page "Garrigues"  du wiki  est proposé en place de /loc_name 
/un/building:loc=* /  (*=capitelle,cazelle, ...)

Sinon j'ai vu du /historic:fr=Cazelle/ sur certains POIs.

Pour un exemple d'utilisation du tag /historic=shelter/
Un peu plus de 800 objets pour cette région ==> 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tnL

Voir d'autres liens sur la page "Garrigues"

Et pour plus d'infos l'article Wikipédia sur le sujet est très complet 
>>> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabane_en_pierre_s%C3%A8che


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM and SIAMU

[PONCELET Nadia]

Thank you all for your answers and ideas!

For those interested, this national registry number can be found in UrbIS under 
the name 'pnmc' in several tables like public names (pn) and street surfaces 
(ss), but not directly in street axis. As this reference number is published in 
UrbIS, I was tempted to consider that it was under the same type of license as 
UrbIS itself, but I may be wrong.

I must say I am not convinced anymore that adding this national registry 
reference number in osm would really help us in the long term. I met some 
people from UrbIS team this week. Like Joost said, it seems indeed that the 
data model of the national registry is about to change. It is still not very 
clear to me how and when. According to UrbIS people, “UrbIS Adresses” will 
officially become in 2018 the official reference for addresses in Brussels 
Region, just like CRAB in Flanders and ICAR in Wallonia. But it does not seem 
clear yet what kind of identifiers will be used for adresses (and shared with 
the national registry) in this context. Wait and see...

From what I had understood about what OpenLR does, I first thought it couldn't 
be really useful in our case as the SIAMU doesn't have a street database with 
its own geometry to be matched with OSM but only a streetname dictionary 
(without geometry) to be matched with OSM highways. But after Ben's short 
explanation, I think I should probably try to use it myself before to get to 
that conclusion. @Ben : I will probably recontact you on this question one day.

I didn’t take time yet to get more information about wikidata objects but it 
certainly looks like an interesting idea.

Nadia


De : Glenn Plas [mailto:gl...@byte-consult.be]
Envoyé : lundi 27 novembre 2017 10:37
À : OpenStreetMap Belgium ; Ben Abelshausen 
; Jo Simoens 
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM and SIAMU

Hi Ben,

I'm really missing something in the logic, but how can 2 seperate datasets get 
common ground on this ?  aka: how does it work that this single ID would be 
generated identically for 2 different datasets, given the fact that coordinates 
are not exactly 100% the same.  I don't see that connection with openLR.  Would 
love to know this.

tx,

Glenn

On 23-11-17 20:21, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
I think this problem can be solved with OpenLR, or at least to a level of 
acceptable quality comparable to mapping the ID's in OSM. I'm willing to help 
out with that, how that would work for examples for brussels:

OpenLR, encodes a location on a network in a kind of ID like this:

KwMXmiQm5xt0Af+x/79bBGY=

This decodes into a segment like this:

http://openlr.itinero.tech/?code=KwMXmiQm5xt0Af+x/79bBGY=
In your internal database you keep the code above, and link the streetname to 
that segment, the segment always decodes no matter who updates the map or the 
ID's of the OSM ways. As long as the road still exists the code will work. It's 
a perfect way to associate data to a road network for cars (or in this case 
firetrucks) without having a dependency on the network ID's or mapped ID's on 
the network.
Other examples:

http://openlr.itinero.tech/?code=KwMXuCQnBSOKAQB6/76jGoQ=
http://openlr.itinero.tech/?code=KwMaESQmxiOVBP9E/zOjBaw=
http://openlr.itinero.tech/?code=KwMZgSQmHSOaBP+mANRjEUQ=
Generating codes can be done by just clicking on the map if you want to 
generate your own.

All this software is open-source and can be setup locally.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carto Party à l'IGN

[Christian Quest]

Je dois le recontacter...  pour voir ce qu'on peut envisager.


Le 28/11/2017 à 13:34, Alain VASSAULT a écrit :

Bonjour,
C'était moi qui était en contact pour les points géodésique et de 
nivellement.

J'ai mis Christian en contact direct avec la personne que j'avais.

Depuis j'ai pas de news.



Le 28 novembre 2017 12:03:43 GMT+01:00, marc marc 
 a écrit :


Bonjour,

Le 28. 11. 17 à 07:22, Jean-Christophe Becquet a écrit :

Le 16 novembre dernier, l'IGN organisait une Carto Party
http://www.ign.fr/institut/actus/journee-utilisateurs-collaboratif-vous
Mais ils n'ont pas l'air de s'appuyer sur OSM : 



Ce serrait l'occasion de les contacter :)
Voir si ces données ne pourraient pas être mieux partagés.

Et tant qu'on y est, quelqu'un était en contact pour la maj
des fichiers des points de repères géodésiques. cela a abouti ?

Cordialement,
Marc


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Re: [OSM-talk] New tool/API to find local OSM mailing lists by location

[Edward Betts]

Thanks for the feedback. It's obvious I need to make two changes:

- support other forums beyond the mailing lists hosted on
  http://lists.openstreetmap.org/
- return all the matches within the result hierarchy, not just the most
  specific, so searching for Glasgow should give talk-scotland and talk-GB

Best to avoid building anything against the existing API because I'm going to
change it. I'll post here when I've made these changes.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carto Party à l'IGN

[Alain VASSAULT]

Bonjour,
C'était moi qui était en contact pour les points géodésique et de nivellement.
J'ai mis Christian en contact direct avec la personne que j'avais.

Depuis j'ai pas de news.



Le 28 novembre 2017 12:03:43 GMT+01:00, marc marc  a 
écrit :
>Bonjour,
>
>Le 28. 11. 17 à 07:22, Jean-Christophe Becquet a écrit :
>> Le 16 novembre dernier, l'IGN organisait une Carto Party
>>
>http://www.ign.fr/institut/actus/journee-utilisateurs-collaboratif-vous
>> 
>> Mais ils n'ont pas l'air de s'appuyer sur OSM :
>
>Ce serrait l'occasion de les contacter :)
>Voir si ces données ne pourraient pas être mieux partagés.
>
>Et tant qu'on y est, quelqu'un était en contact pour la maj
>des fichiers des points de repères géodésiques. cela a abouti ?
>
>Cordialement,
>Marc
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[Talk-GB] Petrol Station tags

[SK53]

One thing very noticeable from looking at Petrol Station tagging in the
light of Ilya's Shell data is that name, operator and brand are used in
wildly inconsistent ways across the UK.

Personally I use:


   - *name*: if there is a displayed name of the form XXX Service Station.
   Sometimes I will duplicate the brand tag if there is no displayed name
   (largely because I am unsure whether CartoCSS displays brand or not. Note
   it looks that it does not
   )


   - *operator*: I hardly ever add this tag except for supermarkets (my
   local Waitrose petrol station has Waitrose staff and receipts, but is
   branded Shell), those places where the operator is clear from other
   businesses on site (e.g., motor dealer, car service/repair), and when the
   operator/company names is present n FHRS data.

   - *brand*: for supermarket brands and big firms (Shell, BP, Esso, Jet,
   Murco and (mainly in NI) Applegreen, Go,

Many petrol stations are privately owned business which franchise the brand
identity, it is rare that they are owned and operated by the brand owner.
These days most do not make much use of the name, which once would have
been in fairly common usage, so it's not too bad to use the brand name in
name.

The biggest problems is the operator tag. This, for some reason, has
frequently been used for the brand. (see v. long tabulation below). I would
suggest that we can improve the dataset of UK fuel stations substantially
by tidying up the tagging. As a bonus many can have address data added from
FHRS.

   - Overpass Query for fuel with no brand or operator tag:
   http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tnj (around 3000)


   - Overpass Query for fuel with no name/brand/operator:
   http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tnh (around 1500)

Jerry

==

Tabulation of Brand/Operator combos for amenity=fuel

Filter

brandoperatorCount - @id
applegreenBP1
(empty)1
AsdaASDA20
Asda Stores Limited1
(empty)16
Asda Fuel(empty)1
B.P.BP1
BFL(empty)1
BPBP66
BP Express1
BP Express Shopping Limited1
BP Express Shopping Ltd1
BP plc2
BP/Eurogarages1
Bridge End LTD1
British Petroleum1
Brobot1
Budgens1
Eastwood Service Station1
Euro Garages1
Euro Garages Ltd1
Hills of Lakeland Ltd2
James Pickstock Limited1
Malthurst1
Malthurst Retail Limited1
Malthurst UK Ltd.1
Maxol1
MFG1
Moto1
MRH (GB) Limited1
MRH Retail1
MRH Retail Swallowfield1
Rontec2
Rusdene Services Ltd1
Sewell1
Shell1
The Co-operative Group5
Wolfe Westerham Ltd1
(empty)199
BP Hills of Lakeland Ltd1
BP ConnectBP2
BP Connect1
Bss(empty)1
Burmah(empty)1
Butler(empty)1
Butler Fuels(empty)1
Byford PowerByford Power1
Calor(empty)1
Co-opCentral England Co-operative Society2
Co-op1
Co-operative Retail Services1
Co-OperativeCentral England Co-operative Society1
(empty)1
Co-operative FoodThe Co-operative Group1
ConoccoPhilips(empty)1
Countrywide FarmersBH Motors1
Cuncliffes Garage(empty)1
Dragon(empty)2
Eco(empty)1
Elf(empty)1
Elf ?(empty)1
EMOEMO OIL1
(empty)1
EssoCo-operative1
CTC1
ES2
Esso57
Euro Garages2
euroGarages1
Geo. Harrison (Whitby) Ltd.1
Hill's Retail Ltd1
Hursts1
MRH Retail1
Rutherford-1
Satyam-v-Garages1
Spar2
Tesco4
TotalElfFina1
(empty)145
Esso;SparEsso1
Flogas(empty)2
fuelling station(empty)1
GleanerGleaner1
(empty)9
Go(empty)3
GreenergyTesco1
GulfF. R. Bradford & Co1
Gulf3
Mackenzie & Maclennan1
Penny Petroleum1
Robert Davies Motors1
Smarts1
Spar Oak1
Texaco1
The Co-operative Group1
(empty)58
Harvest(empty)6
Harvest EnergyHarvest Energy1
J Townsend and Sons1
(empty)9
Highland(empty)2
Highland Fuels(empty)1
ImperialArgyle Garage1
Imperial1
Imperial Petroleum1
(empty)1
Independant(empty)1
IndependentASDA1
Morrisons1
Sainsbury1
Sainsbury's1
Sainsburys1
Tesco4
Tesco Express1
(empty)13
JetAdams & Sons Ltd1
Blakemore Retail1
BP1
Brobot1
Brobot (Pylon) Petroleum Ltd1
Brobot Petroleum2
Emco Engineering1
Jet10
londis1
MACE1
Malthurst Petroleum2
(empty)53
Jet GarageJet   

[Talk-GB] Display of brand/operator in GB/IE (was: Re: Importing Shell fuel stations)

[Andy Townsend]

On 03/11/2017 17:51, Ilya Zverev wrote:

... and I removed the "operator" tag.


Somewhat related, 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=21=53.1927324=-1.3428004 
now shows brand (or operator) in brackets after name if both are set and 
just brand (or operator) if name isn't.


Best Regards,

Andy


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[Talk-it-lazio] Incontro locale /Roma/ lunedì 27 novembre 2017

[Flaminia Tumino]

Cari tutti,

scrivo qui sotto un breve resoconto di quello che ci siamo detti ieri.
Ovviamente suggerimenti/modifiche/miglioramenti sono benvenuti!


Il 28 Novembre 2017 ci siamo incontrati zona Monti al Finnegann pub.
Eravamo in 3. Di seguito un breve riassunto di quello che ci siamo detti:

*Iniziative per il futuro*: abbiamo discusso della possibilità di inserirci
in percorsi scolastici di formazione come quello introdotto dalla recente
riforma "Alternanza Scuola-lavoro". Abbiamo valutato insieme le possibilità
e l'impegno in termini di tempo ed energie che questo richiederebbe, e
valutato che il prossimo anno però potrebbe essere interessante fare dei
mapping party con le scuole. Naturalmente tale attività è da considerarsi
possibile solo nel 2018 poiché bisogna presentare le proposte alle scuole a
partire dalla primavera del prossimo anno e attenderne l'approvazione da
parte degli Istituti. Questo punto necessiterebbe di maggiore riflessione e
di uno sforzo in termini progettuali per concretizzare un documento da
presentare alle scuole. Si è deciso di raccogliere maggiori informazioni
sulle modalità di partecipazione a questo tipo di iniziative e di
continuare la discussione al prossimo incontro. Il tipo di istituti
individuati come "target" sarebbero quella indirizzo "Ragioneria",  visto
che è la topografia è tra le materie di studio.


*Prossimi passi:* si è deciso di proseguire con la proposta di
mappare/inserire tags sull'accessibilità di bar/pub/ristoranti alle persone
diversamente abili. Al prossimo incontro, prima di entrare al pub, si farà
un breve giro di perlustrazione nelle vie attigue dove sono presenti vari
ristoranti/pub/bar e si controllerà se hanno o meno la caratteristica di
essere accessibili a persone diversamente abili. Successivamente si entrerà
al pub e si procederà con l'inserimento dei dati. Dato che il prossimo
incontro cadrebbe di lunedì 25 dicembre, abbiamo deciso di saltare
l'incontro di dicembre. Ci vedremo lunedì 29 gennaio 2018.



Buon anno nuovo a tutti!!

Flaminia


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carto Party à l'IGN

[Philippe Verdy]

Je pense que même au plan légal ce type de "contrat" ne l'est pas du tout.
Il est totalement unilatéral (la totalité des droits pour l'IGN, aucun
service ni aucune rémunération rendue, un déni complet de responsabilité de
l'IGN, et la totalité des obligations uniquement pour les inconscients qui
n'ont pas compris qu'ils acceptaient un contrat d'esclavage, avec sanctions
à la clé en plus).
On peut se demander quel département juridique de l'IGN a pondu ces
conditions, visiblement ils feraient mieux d'engager des avocats compétents
et consulter les services officiels de contrôle de l'Etat. D'ailleurs aucun
syndicat ou représentant du personnel de l'IGN pour se plaindre de ce type
de pratique? C'est pire qu'un contrat de chauffeur chez Uber, aucune
reconnaissance du travail rendu !

Le 28 novembre 2017 à 09:51, Nicolas Moyroud  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> L'IGN voit que le collaboratif fonctionne bien dans le monde de
> l'information géographique, mais comme ils n'ont toujours rien compris à ce
> qui motivent les contributeurs de ce genre de projets, ils s'imaginent
> qu'ils vont pouvoir récupérer ce mode de fonctionnement pour faire bosser
> gratuitement des gens qui vont servir leurs propres intérêts (commerciaux
> bien entendu). L'idée de collaborer avec OSM n'a même pas dû effleurer les
> grands décideurs de l'IGN : de la donnée libre bah c'est nul, ça peut pas
> nous rapporter des sous... Déprimant !
>
> Nicolas
>
> Le 28/11/2017 à 07:22, Jean-Christophe Becquet a écrit :
>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Le 16 novembre dernier, l'IGN organisait une Carto Party
>> http://www.ign.fr/institut/actus/journee-utilisateurs-collaboratif-vous
>>
>> Mais ils n'ont pas l'air de s'appuyer sur OSM :
>>
>> « La Carto Party : manipulez l'application mobile de l'Espace
>> collaboratif pour collecter des données et visualisez les résultats sur
>> une carte. »
>>
>> Et sauf si j'ai mal compris, les données issues de ce travail
>> collaboratif ne sont pas partagées sous licence libre
>> https://espacecollaboratif.ign.fr/cgu/
>>
>> « Par ailleurs, le Cocontractant accepte que ses Signalements et/ou
>> données puissent être librement réutilisées par l’IGN pour les besoins
>> de mise à jour de ses bases de données, ainsi que pour la diffusion au
>> public sous la licence au choix de l’IGN, payante ou gratuite. »
>>
>> Bonne journée
>>
>> JC
>>
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[Talk-cz] LIPS trochu jinak - "Hlídáme státu peníze: jak jsme hledali nejasnosti v dotacích pro Agrofert"

[Ladislav Nesnera]

pro informaci a inspiraci -
https://www.irozhlas.cz/komentare/agrofert-dotace-zemedelska-puda-podvod_1711280700_cib
  
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carto Party à l'IGN

[marc marc]

Bonjour,

Le 28. 11. 17 à 07:22, Jean-Christophe Becquet a écrit :
> Le 16 novembre dernier, l'IGN organisait une Carto Party
> http://www.ign.fr/institut/actus/journee-utilisateurs-collaboratif-vous
> 
> Mais ils n'ont pas l'air de s'appuyer sur OSM :

Ce serrait l'occasion de les contacter :)
Voir si ces données ne pourraient pas être mieux partagés.

Et tant qu'on y est, quelqu'un était en contact pour la maj
des fichiers des points de repères géodésiques. cela a abouti ?

Cordialement,
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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Digest di Talk-it-lazio, Volume 62, Numero 5

[Ubaldo Musco]

Ragazzi mi dispiace ma poi non sono riuscito a passare, sarà per la prossima 
volta.

per chi fosse interessato gli amici di Piazza Copernico (SonoFrankie) ci 
invitano ad un evento che si terrà sabato 2 dicembre alle ore 12 presso la loro 
sede, nel seguito i dettagli

intanto ciao a tutti

Ubaldo

………..

con piacere vi invitiamo all'evento di SonoFrankie che si terrrà il 2 dicembre 
h 12 a Piazza Copernico all'interno del Festival della Creatività Romana.​

ps: Ubaldo, se hai piacere, ti chiederemmo di estendere l'invito al gruppo di 
mappatori di Open Street Map con il quale sei solito collaborare

 
Il muro diventa una nave
Il cielo diventa il mare
La realtà si capovolge
 
Nell'ambito di Creature 
,
 Festival della Creatività romana, il 2 dicembre vi invitiamo a scoprire 
l'opera inedita dell'artista Davide Dormino a piazza Copernico.

Ispirata dai geografi, cartografi e dagli astronomi a cui sono intitolate le 
strade di quest'area del Pigneto, l'opera trasforma il muro della Cooperativa 
Termini in un monumento all’immaginazione.
Una scultura composta da sette grandi remi di ferro rivolti verso l’alto come 
le sette stelle della costellazione dei navigatori, le Pleiadi.
I remi, simbolicamente, spostano quel muro.Perché è anche immaginando che si 
possono superare i confini fisici, abbattere i muri interiori e scoprire chi 
siamo noi e chi sono gli altri.

L'istallazione scultorea stazionerà in Piazza Copernico fino a primavera 
inoltrata, per poi salpare verso altre mete.
 
***
 
L'evento sarà preceduto alle ore 11:00 da un tour del Pigneto.
Creature è un evento organizzato da Open City Roma promosso dal Comune di Roma 
in collaborazione con SIAE all'interno di Contemporaneamente Roma.
 
Per maggiori informazioni, www.creaturefestival.it 



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> , pelatom 
> Cc: "Talk-it-lazio@openstreetmap.org" 
> 
> 
> Forse è un po' tardi, cmq se rimane confermato ci sono, anzi, mi aggireró 
> anche un po' prima in zona
> 
> 
> Il 27 novembre 2017 10:17:25 CET, Flaminia Tumino  
> ha scritto:
> A che ora?
> Visto che le discussioni di solito durano almeno un paio di ore io farei tra 
> le 8.30/9..che ne dite?
> Flaminia
> 
>  
> 
> Mail priva di virus. www.avast.com 
> 
>  
> 
> Il giorno 27 novembre 2017 08:14, pelatom  > ha scritto:
> Per me sarebbe ottimo.
> Se la memoria non mi inganna era il  Finnegan Irish Pub
>   
> >
> .
> A stasera
> 
> 
> 
> -
> 
> 
> M.P.
> --
> Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Lazio-f5372285.html 
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> 
> 
> Da: 

Re: [OSM-ja] osmjp_都道府県 障害停止中 (was Re: osmjp_都道府県 運営のご相談)

[yasunari yamashita]

山下です。皆さんこんにちわ。
本件、ご迷惑をおかけし、申し訳ありませんでした。

再発防止策として、osmjp_都道府県をクラウド上に移設しました。
// これでハードウェアトラブルから開放されました。
// いよいよ帰省することがなくなるかも。。。（笑

tweet 内容などに
何か不都合等ありましたらその旨ご連絡いただけましたら幸いです。

よろしくお願いします


2017年11月24日 5:41 yasunari yamashita :

> 皆さん、山下です。こんにちわ。
>
> ご迷惑をおかけしましたが、
> 昨日午前中に復旧し、
> osmjp_都道府県も、先ほど溜まっていた分をすべてポストしました。
>
> 下り専門さんに作っていただいている
> 過去1か月間の推移
> https://twitter.com/osmjp_stats/status/933774610104848384
> に影響が出てしまいました。
> 申し訳ありません。
>
>
> // どうも、LinkStation の ACアダプタ不良（電圧？電流？不足）だったようで、
> // AC アダプタ交換と、壊れかけていた root fs の xfs_repaire -L で復旧しました。
> // HDD 障害でなく、助かりました。
>
>
> 2017年11月20日 12:39 yasunari yamashita :
>
>> 山下です。
>>
>> > ※京都の管理人不在の留守宅で動作しているというのが、一番のリスクではあります
>>
>> こんなこと書くもんじゃないですね。
>> 書いた尻から落ちました（汗
>>
>> 11/17 5時ごろより
>> osmjp_都道府県、
>> @yamasita.jp のメール受信
>> が止まっています。
>>
>> DNS はセカンダリにお世話になって無事、
>> Web も別サーバなので無事
>> のようです。
>>
>> MTTRは帰省できるまでです。。。
>> ご迷惑をおかけします_o_
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carto Party à l'IGN

[HELFER Denis (SNCF RESEAU / SIEGE SNCF RESEAU / DT GE APPUI PERFORMANCE)]

Devise de l'IGN 

"Donne moi ta montre, je te donnerai l'heure"

-Message d'origine-
De : Nicolas Moyroud [mailto:nmoyr...@free.fr] 
Envoyé : mardi 28 novembre 2017 09:51
À : talk-fr@openstreetmap.org
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carto Party à l'IGN

Bonjour,

L'IGN voit que le collaboratif fonctionne bien dans le monde de l'information 
géographique, mais comme ils n'ont toujours rien compris à ce qui motivent les 
contributeurs de ce genre de projets, ils s'imaginent qu'ils vont pouvoir 
récupérer ce mode de fonctionnement pour faire bosser gratuitement des gens qui 
vont servir leurs propres intérêts (commerciaux bien entendu). L'idée de 
collaborer avec OSM n'a même pas dû effleurer les grands décideurs de l'IGN : 
de la donnée libre bah c'est nul, ça peut pas nous rapporter des sous... 
Déprimant !

Nicolas

Le 28/11/2017 à 07:22, Jean-Christophe Becquet a écrit :
> Bonjour,
>
> Le 16 novembre dernier, l'IGN organisait une Carto Party 
> http://www.ign.fr/institut/actus/journee-utilisateurs-collaboratif-vou
> s
>
> Mais ils n'ont pas l'air de s'appuyer sur OSM :
>
> « La Carto Party : manipulez l'application mobile de l'Espace 
> collaboratif pour collecter des données et visualisez les résultats 
> sur une carte. »
>
> Et sauf si j'ai mal compris, les données issues de ce travail 
> collaboratif ne sont pas partagées sous licence libre 
> https://espacecollaboratif.ign.fr/cgu/
>
> « Par ailleurs, le Cocontractant accepte que ses Signalements et/ou 
> données puissent être librement réutilisées par l’IGN pour les besoins 
> de mise à jour de ses bases de données, ainsi que pour la diffusion au 
> public sous la licence au choix de l’IGN, payante ou gratuite. »
>
> Bonne journée
>
> JC


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM and SIAMU

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi Nicolas,

Welcome back on this list, it has been a while! ;-) Thanks for taking this
on.

I have the impression that working openly with the community is for many
> organizations a difficult step to consider and manage.
>
> I think that the human relationships play an extremely important part in
> the success or failure of the use of technology, here the data.
>
> May I suggest that the SIAMU invite the active members of this thread of

discussion for a physical (in person) meeting on their premises.


This is (part of) why we started OSM Belgium. I'm sure we can setup
something where we meet face-to-face. I suggest emailing community -at-
osm.be and we can work from there. We'll invite whoever is interested from
the OSM community to come along.

@glenn: When I have a little more time I'll try to explain on Riot what I
mean ;-)

Cheers,
Ben

2017-11-27 23:29 GMT+00:00 Nicolas Pettiaux :

> Dear all
>
> Together with Marc Ducobu as other member of the « OSM community » I
> have attended a meeting organized at VIAS (the former IBSR) by Herbert
> Hansen with representatives from the Siamu, Police and other (see mail
> here below).
>
> I have the impression that working openly with the community is for many
> organizations a difficult step to consider and manage.
>
> I think that the human relationships play an extremely important part in
> the success or failure of the use of technology, here the data.
>
> May I suggest that the SIAMU invite the active members of this thread of
> discussion for a physical (in person) meeting on their premises.
>
> As I suggested to the SIAMU, and as they have done with the very
> interesting exchange initiated by Nadia Poncelet, working openly with
> the community that is striving to address cases of general concerns and
> general interest, would be profitable.
>
> Maybe Mr Hansen who worked with GIS data a lot and now helps
> institutions with projects could help in making sure that such a meeting
> is profitable for all parties (aka SIamu and OSM).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nicolas
>
>
> ==
>
>
> Bonjour,
>
>
>
> Pour rappel vous êtes inscrit(s) au workshop ayant pour thème la
> mobilité - sécurité routière et innovation géospatiale.
>
>
>
> Le workshop sera organisé le 27/11/2017 de 9 :30 à 13 :00 (lunch
> inclus).  Adresse du jour : VIAS, Haachtsesteenweg/Chaussée de Haecht
> 1405, 1130 Brussels
>
>
>
> L’objectif de ce workshop est:
>
> 1.  réunir les professionnels de ce secteur et
> recueillir leurs besoins en la matière,
>
> 2.  présenter l’état de l’art en technologies géospatiales
>
> 3.  mutualiser/consolider les besoins de toutes les
> organisations présentes,
>
> de manière à envisager, en réponse à ces besoins,  une solution
> rationnelle intégrant les techniques géo-spatiales.
>
>
>
> Pour votre information nous avons le plaisir de réunir des représentants
> de VIAS, la Police Fédérale, les pompiers de Bruxelles, la communauté
> Open Street Map, le pôle Logistics in Wallonia, l’UWE, L’Université de
> Liège, etc.
>
>
>
> Cette matinée a été conçue sous forme d’un atelier de travail, votre
> présence est donc nécessaire pendant toute sa durée.
>
>
>
> Je vous remercie encore pour votre participation. N’hésitez pas à me
> contacter si avez la moindre questions.
>
>
>
> Au plaisir de collaborer avec vous lundi prochain,
>
>
>
> Herbert HANSEN
>
> Project manager
>
>
> Rue Bois Saint Jean, 15/1 | B-4102 Seraing, Belgium
>
> Web : www.wsl.be l www.fabspace.eu
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carto Party à l'IGN

[Nicolas Moyroud]

Bonjour,

L'IGN voit que le collaboratif fonctionne bien dans le monde de 
l'information géographique, mais comme ils n'ont toujours rien compris à 
ce qui motivent les contributeurs de ce genre de projets, ils 
s'imaginent qu'ils vont pouvoir récupérer ce mode de fonctionnement pour 
faire bosser gratuitement des gens qui vont servir leurs propres 
intérêts (commerciaux bien entendu). L'idée de collaborer avec OSM n'a 
même pas dû effleurer les grands décideurs de l'IGN : de la donnée libre 
bah c'est nul, ça peut pas nous rapporter des sous... Déprimant !


Nicolas

Le 28/11/2017 à 07:22, Jean-Christophe Becquet a écrit :

Bonjour,

Le 16 novembre dernier, l'IGN organisait une Carto Party
http://www.ign.fr/institut/actus/journee-utilisateurs-collaboratif-vous

Mais ils n'ont pas l'air de s'appuyer sur OSM :

« La Carto Party : manipulez l'application mobile de l'Espace
collaboratif pour collecter des données et visualisez les résultats sur
une carte. »

Et sauf si j'ai mal compris, les données issues de ce travail
collaboratif ne sont pas partagées sous licence libre
https://espacecollaboratif.ign.fr/cgu/

« Par ailleurs, le Cocontractant accepte que ses Signalements et/ou
données puissent être librement réutilisées par l’IGN pour les besoins
de mise à jour de ses bases de données, ainsi que pour la diffusion au
public sous la licence au choix de l’IGN, payante ou gratuite. »

Bonne journée

JC



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