Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
Hi: OK already! Let's stop this useless chatter about something that we can't control. For right now, we still have our Window-eyes so let's get back to helping each other work out our problems with Window-eyes, and then cross whatever bridges are to be crossed when we get to them. Kevin Huber On 10/15/16, John Farley via Talk wrote: > Hello list, > > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web > site. > > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my > comments. > > > > Regards, John > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM > To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays > around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect > the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai > squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product > and that you are a loyal user. > > > > > On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to >> be >> fazed out? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >> To: bj colt via Talk >> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >> >> Hello John, >> >> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am >> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst >> other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if >> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people >> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. >> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger >> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT >> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they >> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. >> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for >> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you >> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own >> pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing >> both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out >> Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. >> >> > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 > btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
So the history of poor customer service is alive and well. Encouraged by suggestions on the list, I used the contact VFO link of its site - specifically the U.S. office. I posted my comment regarding Window-Eyes on Sunday afternoon my time in New Zealand - haven't even got an autoresponse. Maybe a lone human is working steadily through a deluge of Window-Eyes support emails! Vaughan. On 10/19/2016 3:36 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: I have had one or two helpful customer service experiences with Freedom Science Fiction, but I can also remember calling to get help with my braille lite and getting a nasty person on the other end. Eric Damery said, when I told him, that he wished I had gotten the people's names who were nasty. I told him I was just so mad I just hung up, and I didn't call back for a long time. Pam. -Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:44 PM To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Had similar experiences dealing with fs on the low vision hardware side of customer service. They customer service not so much. On Monday, October 17, 2016, Nick Sarames via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: I'm sure if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get help. If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance. On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products. I > don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device > put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth. The v > a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about > three thousand dollars worth of stuff. He had let the batteries run > down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset. I called > freedom's "customer support" and they wouldn't help me at all as I > wasn't the original purchaser. My friend contacted them and they > wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product. > It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order > wasn't with them any more. After explaining all of this to their > "customer service" department, they still refused to help. I threw the > stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless, > because they wouldn't support their product. Just my little story. > > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: > >> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its >> shoddy practices built in. >> >> >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: >>> Hello list. >>> >>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. >>> >>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it >>> puts the >>> other screen reader into the useless category. >>> >>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is >>> for >>> the Apple products. >>> >>> Probably that's how it should be any way. >>> >>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart >>> sick. >>> >>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and >>> other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. >>> >>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. >>> >>> Kenneth Son. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: >>> > Hello list, >>> > > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on >>> their web >>> > site. >>> > > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that >>> they will >>> > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! >>> > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about >>> Window-Eyes in > my >>> > comments. >>> > > > > Regards, John >>> > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >>> > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >>> > > > > -Original Message- >>> > From: Talk >>> > >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley = btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] > >>> On >>> > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk >>> > Sent: Friday
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
I have had one or two helpful customer service experiences with Freedom Science Fiction, but I can also remember calling to get help with my braille lite and getting a nasty person on the other end. Eric Damery said, when I told him, that he wished I had gotten the people's names who were nasty. I told him I was just so mad I just hung up, and I didn't call back for a long time. Pam. -Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:44 PM To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Had similar experiences dealing with fs on the low vision hardware side of customer service. They customer service not so much. On Monday, October 17, 2016, Nick Sarames via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: I'm sure if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get help. If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance. On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products. I > don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device > put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth. The v > a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about > three thousand dollars worth of stuff. He had let the batteries run > down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset. I called > freedom's "customer support" and they wouldn't help me at all as I > wasn't the original purchaser. My friend contacted them and they > wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product. > It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order > wasn't with them any more. After explaining all of this to their > "customer service" department, they still refused to help. I threw the > stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless, > because they wouldn't support their product. Just my little story. > > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: > >> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its >> shoddy practices built in. >> >> >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: >>> Hello list. >>> >>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. >>> >>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it >>> puts the >>> other screen reader into the useless category. >>> >>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is >>> for >>> the Apple products. >>> >>> Probably that's how it should be any way. >>> >>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart >>> sick. >>> >>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and >>> other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. >>> >>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. >>> >>> Kenneth Son. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: >>> > Hello list, >>> > > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on >>> their web >>> > site. >>> > > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that >>> they will >>> > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! >>> > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about >>> Window-Eyes in > my >>> > comments. >>> > > > > Regards, John >>> > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >>> > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >>> > > > > -Original Message- >>> > From: Talk >>> > >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley = btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] > >>> On >>> > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk >>> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM >>> > To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >>> > > No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays >>> > around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you >>> expect >>> > the same type of customer service and great products as you did >>> whe
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
Was there a Settlement in this sute?Any Dollar amount made public? I sort of remember F/S filing a sute, but wasn't as observant as I am today. Grumpy Dave -- Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
I have been and am still disgusted with the lawsute that they filed against GW. That victory should have dented FS;s reputation -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 7:33 PM To: Nick Sarames Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes You really are clueless. Spite doesn't have a thing to do with it, logic does. I needed the keys from them to make it work, no where else to get them. I just love it when people comment on something they don't know anything about. BTW, been doing this stuff since 1983, so if there had been another way, I'd have done it. Why should I reward a cpompany for this lack of support, or a company that cost gw micro a fortune in a law sute. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 18 Oct 2016, Nick Sarames wrote: > I'm sure if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get > help. If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance. > > On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: >> My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products. >> I don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable >> device put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so >> forth. The v a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his >> old unit, about three thousand dollars worth of stuff. He had let >> the batteries run down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded >> reset. I called freedom's "customer support" and they wouldn't help >> me at all as I wasn't the original purchaser. My friend contacted >> them and they wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product. >> It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order >> wasn't with them any more. After explaining all of this to their >> "customer service" department, they still refused to help. I threw >> the stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless, >> because they wouldn't support their product. Just my little story. >> >> >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: >> >>> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its >>> shoddy practices built in. >>> >>> >>> >>> Vaughan. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: >>>> Hello list. >>>> >>>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. >>>> >>>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it >>>> puts the other screen reader into the useless category. >>>> >>>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover >>>> is for the Apple products. >>>> >>>> Probably that's how it should be any way. >>>> >>>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my >>>> heart sick. >>>> >>>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those >>>> commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. >>>> >>>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. >>>> >>>> Kenneth Son. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: >>>>> Hello list, >>>>>> I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on >>>> their web >>>>> site. >>>>>> It was interesting to find that in their list of products that >>>> they will >>>>> take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! >>>>> I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about >>>> Window-Eyes in > my >>>>> comments. >>>>>>>> Regards, John >>>>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >>>>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Talk >>>>> >>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet.com@lists.window-eyes.c >>>> om] > On >>>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM >>>>> To: darren harri
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
You really are clueless. Spite doesn't have a thing to do with it, logic does. I needed the keys from them to make it work, no where else to get them. I just love it when people comment on something they don't know anything about. BTW, been doing this stuff since 1983, so if there had been another way, I'd have done it. Why should I reward a cpompany for this lack of support, or a company that cost gw micro a fortune in a law sute. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 18 Oct 2016, Nick Sarames wrote: I'm sure if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get help. If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance. On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products. I don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth. The v a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about three thousand dollars worth of stuff. He had let the batteries run down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset. I called freedom's "customer support" and they wouldn't help me at all as I wasn't the original purchaser. My friend contacted them and they wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product. It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order wasn't with them any more. After explaining all of this to their "customer service" department, they still refused to help. I threw the stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless, because they wouldn't support their product. Just my little story. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its shoddy practices built in. Vaughan. On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in > my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going > > to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I > > am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so > > you would have to buy a license for
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
Had similar experiences dealing with fs on the low vision hardware side of customer service. They customer service not so much. On Monday, October 17, 2016, Nick Sarames via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > I'm sure if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get > help. If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance. > > On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > > My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products. I > > don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device > > put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth. The v > > a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about > > three thousand dollars worth of stuff. He had let the batteries run > > down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset. I called > > freedom's "customer support" and they wouldn't help me at all as I > > wasn't the original purchaser. My friend contacted them and they > > wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product. > > It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order > > wasn't with them any more. After explaining all of this to their > > "customer service" department, they still refused to help. I threw the > > stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless, > > because they wouldn't support their product. Just my little story. > > > > > > 73 > > Butch > > WA0VJR > > Node 3148 > > Wallace, ks. > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: > > > >> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its > >> shoddy practices built in. > >> > >> > >> > >> Vaughan. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: > >>> Hello list. > >>> > >>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. > >>> > >>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it > >>> puts the > >>> other screen reader into the useless category. > >>> > >>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is > >>> for > >>> the Apple products. > >>> > >>> Probably that's how it should be any way. > >>> > >>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart > >>> sick. > >>> > >>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands > and > >>> other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. > >>> > >>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. > >>> > >>> Kenneth Son. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: > >>> > Hello list, > >>> > > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on > >>> their web > >>> > site. > >>> > > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that > >>> they will > >>> > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! > >>> > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about > >>> Window-Eyes in > my > >>> > comments. > >>> > > > > Regards, John > >>> > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > >>> > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > >>> > > > > -Original Message- > >>> > From: Talk > >>> > > >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley = > btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] > > >>> On > >>> > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk > >>> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM > >>> > To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List > >>> > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of > Window-Eyes > >>> > > No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays > >>> > around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you > >>> expect > >>> > the same type of customer service and great products as you did > >>> when ai > >>> > squared was around. This will let them know you care about the > >>> product > >>> > and that you are a loyal user. > >>> > > > > > On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: > >>> > > Hi all, > >>> > > > > Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is > >>> wineyes going > > to be > >>> > > fazed out? > >>> > > > > -Original Message- > >>> > > From: Talk > >>> > > > >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris = > btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] > >>> > > > > On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk > >>> > > Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 > >>> > > To: bj colt via Talk > >>> > > Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > >>> > > > > Hello John, > >>> > > > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, > >>> there is > >>> > > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it > >>> is, I > > am > >>> > > not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, > >>> amongst > >>> > > other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if > >>> > > Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind > >>> people > >>> > > wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work > >>> fund. > >>> > > Moreove
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I'm sure if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get help. If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance. On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products. I > don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device > put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth. The v > a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about > three thousand dollars worth of stuff. He had let the batteries run > down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset. I called > freedom's "customer support" and they wouldn't help me at all as I > wasn't the original purchaser. My friend contacted them and they > wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product. > It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order > wasn't with them any more. After explaining all of this to their > "customer service" department, they still refused to help. I threw the > stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless, > because they wouldn't support their product. Just my little story. > > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: > >> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its >> shoddy practices built in. >> >> >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: >>> Hello list. >>> >>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. >>> >>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it >>> puts the >>> other screen reader into the useless category. >>> >>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is >>> for >>> the Apple products. >>> >>> Probably that's how it should be any way. >>> >>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart >>> sick. >>> >>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and >>> other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. >>> >>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. >>> >>> Kenneth Son. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: >>> > Hello list, >>> > > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on >>> their web >>> > site. >>> > > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that >>> they will >>> > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! >>> > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about >>> Window-Eyes in > my >>> > comments. >>> > > > > Regards, John >>> > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >>> > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >>> > > > > -Original Message- >>> > From: Talk >>> > >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] > >>> On >>> > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk >>> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM >>> > To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >>> > > No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays >>> > around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you >>> expect >>> > the same type of customer service and great products as you did >>> when ai >>> > squared was around. This will let them know you care about the >>> product >>> > and that you are a loyal user. >>> > > > > > On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: >>> > > Hi all, >>> > > > > Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is >>> wineyes going > > to be >>> > > fazed out? >>> > > > > -Original Message- >>> > > From: Talk >>> > > >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> > > > > On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >>> > > Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >>> > > To: bj colt via Talk >>> > > Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >>> > > > > Hello John, >>> > > > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, >>> there is >>> > > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it >>> is, I > > am >>> > > not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, >>> amongst >>> > > other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if >>> > > Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind >>> people >>> > > wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work >>> fund. >>> > > Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger >>> > > people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT >>> > > technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, >>> and they >>> > > think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another >>> way. >>> > > We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't >>> pay for >>> > > Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, >>> so > > you >>> > >
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if window eyes can run on 1 gb of ram and 1 ghz processor and does not eat up a lot of processes maybe i will use it during my first time finding this screen reader. it was during window eyes 7.0. and, now since i have faster pc, i am using it! yay! On 10/17/2016 9:20 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products. I don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth. The v a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about three thousand dollars worth of stuff. He had let the batteries run down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset. I called freedom's "customer support" and they wouldn't help me at all as I wasn't the original purchaser. My friend contacted them and they wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product. It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order wasn't with them any more. After explaining all of this to their "customer service" department, they still refused to help. I threw the stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless, because they wouldn't support their product. Just my little story. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its shoddy practices built in. Vaughan. On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: > Hello list, > > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web > site. > > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in > my > comments. > > > > Regards, John > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] > On > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM > To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays > around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect > the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai > squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product > and that you are a loyal user. > > > > > On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going > > to be > > fazed out? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Talk > > [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] > > > > On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk > > Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 > > To: bj colt via Talk > > Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > > > Hello John, > > > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is > > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I > > am > > not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst > > other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if > > Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people > > wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. > > Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger > > people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT > > technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they > > think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. > > We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for > > Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so > > you > > would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own > > pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are > > developing > > both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing > > out > > Window-Eyes? To
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My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products. I don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth. The v a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about three thousand dollars worth of stuff. He had let the batteries run down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset. I called freedom's "customer support" and they wouldn't help me at all as I wasn't the original purchaser. My friend contacted them and they wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product. It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order wasn't with them any more. After explaining all of this to their "customer service" department, they still refused to help. I threw the stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless, because they wouldn't support their product. Just my little story. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its shoddy practices built in. Vaughan. On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: > Hello list, > > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web > site. > > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in > my > comments. > > > > Regards, John > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] > On > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM > To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays > around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect > the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai > squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product > and that you are a loyal user. > > > > > On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going > > to be > > fazed out? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Talk > > [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] > > > > On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk > > Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 > > To: bj colt via Talk > > Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > > > Hello John, > > > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is > > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I > > am > > not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst > > other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if > > Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people > > wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. > > Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger > > people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT > > technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they > > think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. > > We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for > > Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so > > you > > would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own > > pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are > > developing > > both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing > > out > > Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. > > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes
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Yup it is. I bought my copy on the LTO plan from 2007 to 2009 and haven't looked back. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 12:43 PM To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes I do believe the LTO program is gone now, it's been replaced by the free version for users of Microsoft office. On 10/16/2016 2:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: Lease to own? I was under the impression that they didn't have that anymore. I bought my window eyes that way, but I finished paying it off in 2010. Pam. -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:56 PM To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long' Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hi: I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition, there are things that take time to sort out. Many times, these things are done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor. One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to employees of the company they were acquiring. This was, at least partially, due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the company being acquired had been unionized. Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and with whom, we do not know. At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, especially when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, it is possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, themselves, not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level. Those still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect. If this is the case, ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by folks just as worried as you are, maybe more. Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO management know how we feel. Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet. You can still download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being delivered. I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about. Also, can they just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, I am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft? There are so many things we just do not know. And, think about this: Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because of negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the proverbial coffin. So, spread the word. There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't break the bank. While the WE for Office option is still out there, the more users, the better. And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be sure to register your product. That will be more evidence of a user-base that is still growing. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there may be legalities. The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which makes this whole conversation null and void. I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible. On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out? it's not even 6 months. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" To: "Tony C" ; "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE will continue to remain available. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been told something by now. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM To: Kenneth
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Well, it has not been mentioned as an option for years, now. When a new version comes out, it is usually mentioned the ways you can obtain it, and the only ways I have seen mentioned are the free version for office, and other than that, how much it costs if you have to pay for it. I have not seen it on the site, either. Pam. -Original Message- From: Jim via Talk Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:51 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hi There! I talked to someone at AI-Squared Friday, and at that time I was told that the LTO purchase plan was still in affect. Not certain of where you got your info or when..? Would be interested in knowing. Just some info! Catch Ya Later! de . On 16-Oct-16 14:43, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: I do believe the LTO program is gone now, it's been replaced by the free version for users of Microsoft office. On 10/16/2016 2:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: Lease to own? I was under the impression that they didn't have that anymore. I bought my window eyes that way, but I finished paying it off in 2010. Pam. -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:56 PM To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long' Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hi: I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition, there are things that take time to sort out. Many times, these things are done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor. One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to employees of the company they were acquiring. This was, at least partially, due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the company being acquired had been unionized. Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and with whom, we do not know. At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, especially when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, it is possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, themselves, not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level. Those still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect. If this is the case, ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by folks just as worried as you are, maybe more. Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO management know how we feel. Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet. You can still download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being delivered. I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about. Also, can they just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, I am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft? There are so many things we just do not know. And, think about this: Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because of negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the proverbial coffin. So, spread the word. There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't break the bank. While the WE for Office option is still out there, the more users, the better. And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be sure to register your product. That will be more evidence of a user-base that is still growing. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there may be legalities. The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which makes this whole conversation null and void. I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible. On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out? it's not even 6 months. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" To: "Tony C" ; "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes True. I would have hoped to hear at
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Hi There! I talked to someone at AI-Squared Friday, and at that time I was told that the LTO purchase plan was still in affect. Not certain of where you got your info or when..? Would be interested in knowing. Just some info! Catch Ya Later! de . On 16-Oct-16 14:43, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: I do believe the LTO program is gone now, it's been replaced by the free version for users of Microsoft office. On 10/16/2016 2:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: Lease to own? I was under the impression that they didn't have that anymore. I bought my window eyes that way, but I finished paying it off in 2010. Pam. -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:56 PM To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long' Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hi: I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition, there are things that take time to sort out. Many times, these things are done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor. One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to employees of the company they were acquiring. This was, at least partially, due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the company being acquired had been unionized. Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and with whom, we do not know. At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, especially when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, it is possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, themselves, not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level. Those still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect. If this is the case, ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by folks just as worried as you are, maybe more. Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO management know how we feel. Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet. You can still download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being delivered. I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about. Also, can they just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, I am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft? There are so many things we just do not know. And, think about this: Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because of negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the proverbial coffin. So, spread the word. There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't break the bank. While the WE for Office option is still out there, the more users, the better. And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be sure to register your product. That will be more evidence of a user-base that is still growing. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there may be legalities. The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which makes this whole conversation null and void. I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible. On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out? it's not even 6 months. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" To: "Tony C" ; "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE will continue to remain available. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been told something by now. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 20
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I do believe the LTO program is gone now, it's been replaced by the free version for users of Microsoft office. On 10/16/2016 2:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: Lease to own? I was under the impression that they didn't have that anymore. I bought my window eyes that way, but I finished paying it off in 2010. Pam. -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:56 PM To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long' Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hi: I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition, there are things that take time to sort out. Many times, these things are done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor. One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to employees of the company they were acquiring. This was, at least partially, due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the company being acquired had been unionized. Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and with whom, we do not know. At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, especially when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, it is possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, themselves, not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level. Those still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect. If this is the case, ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by folks just as worried as you are, maybe more. Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO management know how we feel. Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet. You can still download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being delivered. I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about. Also, can they just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, I am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft? There are so many things we just do not know. And, think about this: Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because of negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the proverbial coffin. So, spread the word. There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't break the bank. While the WE for Office option is still out there, the more users, the better. And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be sure to register your product. That will be more evidence of a user-base that is still growing. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there may be legalities. The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which makes this whole conversation null and void. I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible. On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out? it's not even 6 months. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" To: "Tony C" ; "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE will continue to remain available. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been told something by now. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with
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Lease to own? I was under the impression that they didn't have that anymore. I bought my window eyes that way, but I finished paying it off in 2010. Pam. -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:56 PM To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long' Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hi: I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition, there are things that take time to sort out. Many times, these things are done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor. One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to employees of the company they were acquiring. This was, at least partially, due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the company being acquired had been unionized. Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and with whom, we do not know. At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, especially when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, it is possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, themselves, not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level. Those still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect. If this is the case, ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by folks just as worried as you are, maybe more. Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO management know how we feel. Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet. You can still download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being delivered. I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about. Also, can they just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, I am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft? There are so many things we just do not know. And, think about this: Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because of negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the proverbial coffin. So, spread the word. There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't break the bank. While the WE for Office option is still out there, the more users, the better. And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be sure to register your product. That will be more evidence of a user-base that is still growing. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there may be legalities. The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which makes this whole conversation null and void. I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible. On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out? it's not even 6 months. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" To: "Tony C" ; "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE will continue to remain available. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been told something by now. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello l
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At first I thought he meant window eyes, but then I read the message underneath where the person said he hoped narrator would be made better. So that's what I thought was talked about when it was said that it was almost unusable. Pam. -Original Message- From: Loy via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:47 PM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Window Eyes is working great for me, if it is almost unusable for you, there has to be a problem with its installation or something like a virus on your computer. - Original Message - From: Tony C via Talk To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hell, it's almost useless now. -Original Message- From: Kenneth Son via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:26 AM To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: > Hello list, > > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web > site. > > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my > comments. > > > > Regards, John > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM > To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays > around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect > the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai > squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product > and that you are a loyal user. > > > > > On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to >> be >> fazed out? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >> To: bj colt via Talk >> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >> >> Hello John, >> >> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am >> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst >> other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if >> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people >> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. >> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger >> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT >> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they >> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. >> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for >> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you >> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own >> pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing >> both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out >> Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. >> >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily
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We can certainly hope. I do, although I'm not optimistic. We are, after all, talking about a group of companies that includes Greedom Science Fiction. But like others I'll just use the office version of WE until we get an official answer and, should the worst case scenario come to pass, continue to use it as long as humanly possible. I just know I absolutely will not go back to JAWS, even if I have to resort to NVDA fulltime. -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:56 PM To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dennis Long' Subject: RE: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hi: I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition, there are things that take time to sort out. Many times, these things are done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor. One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to employees of the company they were acquiring. This was, at least partially, due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the company being acquired had been unionized. Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and with whom, we do not know. At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, especially when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, it is possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, themselves, not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level. Those still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect. If this is the case, ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by folks just as worried as you are, maybe more. Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO management know how we feel. Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet. You can still download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being delivered. I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about. Also, can they just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, I am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft? There are so many things we just do not know. And, think about this: Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because of negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the proverbial coffin. So, spread the word. There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't break the bank. While the WE for Office option is still out there, the more users, the better. And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be sure to register your product. That will be more evidence of a user-base that is still growing. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there may be legalities. The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which makes this whole conversation null and void. I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible. On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out? it's not even 6 months. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" To: "Tony C" ; "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE will continue to remain available. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been told something by now. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an offici
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Hi: I can say, having been through a "merger" which really was an acquisition, there are things that take time to sort out. Many times, these things are done just to get the customer base of the company that was a competitor. One of my friends who was in a company that was acquired, told me how the employees of the acquiring company were under strict orders not to talk to employees of the company they were acquiring. This was, at least partially, due to the fact that the acquiring company was not unionized, whereas the company being acquired had been unionized. Now, we can tell some communication is going on, but, at what level, and with whom, we do not know. At any rate, these things are usually not pleasant to go through, especially when you are part of the company being acquired by a larger one. And, it is possible that any AI Squared employees monitoring this list may, themselves, not be totally aware of what is being talked about at a higher level. Those still involved with Window-Eyes may be just as worried as anyone, but, may not be able to talk about what they know, or suspect. If this is the case, ranthing about the unfairness of it all on this list may only be seen by folks just as worried as you are, maybe more. Like others, I feel the best thing is to try our best to let VFO management know how we feel. Also, just remember, Window-Eyes has not gone away, yet. You can still download the WE For Office version, and, updates are still being delivered. I suspect there are Lease-To-Own customers to think about. Also, can they just pull the product without giving advanced notice to MicroSoft, since, I am sure, some kind of contract had to be entered into with MicroSoft? There are so many things we just do not know. And, think about this: Any decline in the Window-Eyes user-base, because of negative talk will probably end up putting the final nail in the proverbial coffin. So, spread the word. There's still a great alternative for JFW that won't break the bank. While the WE for Office option is still out there, the more users, the better. And, if you have downloaded Window-Eyes for Office, be sure to register your product. That will be more evidence of a user-base that is still growing. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:21 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there may be legalities. The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which makes this whole conversation null and void. I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible. On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out? it's not > even 6 months. > - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" > > To: "Tony C" ; "Chris Skarstad" > ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" > > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes > > >> True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, >> although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE >> will continue to remain available. >> >> -Original Message----- From: Tony C via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM >> To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes >> >>Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have >> been told something by now. >> >> -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM >> To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes >> >> So, like, you guys have pretty much already >> decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official >> announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. >> >> with attitudes like >> >> this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, >> just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. >> >> >> 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: >> >>> Hello list. >>> >>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people wil
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And this is some of the evidence that causes people to draw conclusions. Vaughan. On 10/16/2016 10:25 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: Not negative, realistic. Look, i ain't saying we and zt fusion are going tommorrow but think realistically for a minute. Vfo didn't go after ai2 for we, they wanted zoomtext and the patents that come with it. I was a high partial for a long time and fs's magic has always been considered a bloated clunky joke of software. People that were instrumental in we are leaving. Vfo already working to make the shark and zt work together. There are more low vision people esp. Now that baby boomers getting older. Low vision is where the money is. I understand loyalty i been talking to people at ai2 since i was in junior high and those people leaving since the merger too. It ain't looking good y'all. On Saturday, October 15, 2016, Sky Mundell via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Neither have I. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt = shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:57 PM To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes I have never seen such a negative group of users as seen on this list. - Original Message - From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" > To: "Chris Skarstad" >; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, offer an alternative argument. The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing piece of software is very clear to me. Vaughan. On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley = btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris = btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think
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Not negative, realistic. Look, i ain't saying we and zt fusion are going tommorrow but think realistically for a minute. Vfo didn't go after ai2 for we, they wanted zoomtext and the patents that come with it. I was a high partial for a long time and fs's magic has always been considered a bloated clunky joke of software. People that were instrumental in we are leaving. Vfo already working to make the shark and zt work together. There are more low vision people esp. Now that baby boomers getting older. Low vision is where the money is. I understand loyalty i been talking to people at ai2 since i was in junior high and those people leaving since the merger too. It ain't looking good y'all. On Saturday, October 15, 2016, Sky Mundell via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Neither have I. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt = > shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com ] On > Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:57 PM > To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes > > I have never seen such a negative group of users as seen on this list. > - Original Message - > From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" > > To: "Chris Skarstad" >; > "Window-Eyes Discussion List" > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes > > > > In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, > offer > > > an alternative argument. > > > > > > The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing > piece > > > of software is very clear to me. > > > > > > Vaughan. > > > > > > > > > > On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: > >> So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided > >> that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement > >> has even been made? I love your optomism. > >> > >> with attitudes like > >> > >> this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, > just > > >> sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. > >> > >> > >> 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: > >> > >>> Hello list. > >>> > >>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. > >>> > >>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts > >>> the other screen reader into the useless category. > >>> > >>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is > for > > >>> the Apple products. > >>> > >>> Probably that's how it should be any way. > >>> > >>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart > >>> sick. > >>> > >>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and > >>> other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. > >>> > >>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. > >>> > >>> Kenneth Son. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: > >>>> Hello list, > >>>> > >>>> I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their > >>>> web > >>>> site. > >>>> > >>>> It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they > >>>> will > >>>> take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! > >>>> I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes > in > > >>>> my > >>>> comments. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, John > >>>> > >>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > >>>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: Talk > >>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley = > btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] > >>>> On > >>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk > >>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM > >>>> To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List > >>>> Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eye
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Hi! Just a comment or two, I was talking to someone at AI-Squared yesterday, and didn't say for certain but I really do believe there has been no definite decision made regarding this issue, so all your speculating is just that. It is a free country and yes you have the right to say what you wish, but you should probably wait until a final decision is made before you start uligizing W.E. Ohk if it does go, I will be right here complaining along with the rest of you! But why don't we wait to see what actually does happen..? Catch Ya Later! de . On 15-Oct-16 16:56, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: I have never seen such a negative group of users as seen on this list. - Original Message - From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" To: "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, offer an alternative argument. The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing piece of software is very clear to me. Vaughan. On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and
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Yep, as far as i know the free Window-eyes is still available. Also, there may be legalities. The AI squared staff are most likely, not at liberty to speak about anything official since a. they may have a contract which says they can't speak about it, or b. they don't know anything themselves, which makes this whole conversation null and void. I know people want answers now, it'd be amazing news if we all got our answer today. but, we aren't going to, so sit back, relax and enjoy Window-eyes for as long as is humanly possible. On 10/15/2016 5:09 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out? it's not even 6 months. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" To: "Tony C" ; "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE will continue to remain available. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been told something by now. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would hav
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That's correct. Doug anounced it in June, and in two months, it will be December -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 2:09 PM To: Bryan Peterson; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out? it's not even 6 months. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" To: "Tony C" ; "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes > True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, > although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE > will continue to remain available. > > -Original Message- > From: Tony C via Talk > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM > To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes > >Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been > told something by now. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM > To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes > > So, like, you guys have pretty much already > decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official > announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. > > with attitudes like > > this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, > just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. > > > 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: > >> Hello list. >> >> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. >> >> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts >> the other screen reader into the useless category. >> >> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is >> for the Apple products. >> >> Probably that's how it should be any way. >> >> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. >> >> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands >> and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. >> >> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. >> >> Kenneth Son. >> >> >> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: >>> Hello list, >>> >>> I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their >>> web site. >>> >>> It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they >>> will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! >>> I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes >>> in my comments. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, John >>> >>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.co >>> m] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk >>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM >>> To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of >>> Window-Eyes >>> >>> No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays >>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you >>> expect the same type of customer service and great products as you >>> did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care >>> about the product and that you are a loyal user. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes >>>> going to be fazed out? >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Talk >>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@lists.window-ey >>>> es.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >>>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >>>> To: bj colt via Talk >>>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >>>> >>>> Hello John, >>>> >>>> I have been dra
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did anyone ever think that they are still figuring it out? it's not even 6 months. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" To: "Tony C" ; "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE will continue to remain available. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been told something by now. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.wind
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True. I would have hoped to hear at least something official by now, although I do still hope that at least the free Office version of WE will continue to remain available. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:29 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been told something by now. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://list
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Neither have I. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:57 PM To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes I have never seen such a negative group of users as seen on this list. - Original Message - From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" To: "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes > In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, offer > an alternative argument. > > > The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing piece > of software is very clear to me. > > > Vaughan. > > > > > On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: >> So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided >> that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement >> has even been made? I love your optomism. >> >> with attitudes like >> >> this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just >> sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. >> >> >> 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: >> >>> Hello list. >>> >>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. >>> >>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts >>> the other screen reader into the useless category. >>> >>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for >>> the Apple products. >>> >>> Probably that's how it should be any way. >>> >>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart >>> sick. >>> >>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and >>> other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. >>> >>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. >>> >>> Kenneth Son. >>> >>> >>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: >>>> Hello list, >>>> >>>> I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their >>>> web >>>> site. >>>> >>>> It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they >>>> will >>>> take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! >>>> I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in >>>> my >>>> comments. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, John >>>> >>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >>>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Talk >>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk >>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM >>>> To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >>>> >>>> No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays >>>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect >>>> the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai >>>> squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product >>>> and that you are a loyal user. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going >>>>> to be >>>>> fazed out? >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Talk >>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >>>>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >>>>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >>>>> To: bj colt via Talk >>>>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >>>>> >>>>> Hello John, >>>>> >>>>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >>>>&
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
I have never seen such a negative group of users as seen on this list. - Original Message - From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" To: "Chris Skarstad" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, offer an alternative argument. The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing piece of software is very clear to me. Vaughan. On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/h
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Window Eyes is working great for me, if it is almost unusable for you, there has to be a problem with its installation or something like a virus on your computer. - Original Message - From: Tony C via Talk To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hell, it's almost useless now. -Original Message- From: Kenneth Son via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:26 AM To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: > Hello list, > > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web > site. > > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my > comments. > > > > Regards, John > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM > To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays > around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect > the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai > squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product > and that you are a loyal user. > > > > > On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to >> be >> fazed out? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >> To: bj colt via Talk >> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >> >> Hello John, >> >> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am >> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst >> other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if >> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people >> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. >> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger >> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT >> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they >> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. >> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for >> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you >> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own >> pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing >> both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out >> Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. >> >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 > btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-ey
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On the other hand, endless repetitive comments are not very constructive and simply clutter up the list. On 10/15/2016 4:29 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: > In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, > offer an alternative argument. > > > The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing > piece of software is very clear to me. > > > Vaughan. > > > > > On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: >> So, like, you guys have pretty much already >> decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official >> announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. >> >> with attitudes like >> >> this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, >> just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. >> >> >> 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: >> >>> Hello list. >>> >>> I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. >>> >>> Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts >>> the other screen reader into the useless category. >>> >>> That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is >>> for the Apple products. >>> >>> Probably that's how it should be any way. >>> >>> The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart >>> sick. >>> >>> Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands >>> and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. >>> >>> Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. >>> >>> Kenneth Son. >>> >>> >>> On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: > Hi all, > > Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes > going to be > fazed out? > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] > > On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk > Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 > To: bj colt via Talk > Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > Hello John, > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, > I am > not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst > other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if > Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people > wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. > Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger > people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT > technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they > think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. > We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for > Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so > you > would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own > pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are > developing > both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing > out > Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>
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In stead of attacking users who are expressing a legitimate opinion, offer an alternative argument. The evidence of the demise of Window-Eyes as a living and developing piece of software is very clear to me. Vaughan. On 10/16/2016 3:45 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not neces
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its shoddy practices built in. Vaughan. On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vdodd001%40vodafone.co.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
Well, if it wasn't true or at least very proable we would have been told something by now. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:45 AM To: Kenneth Son ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
Hell, it's almost useless now. -Original Message- From: Kenneth Son via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:26 AM To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
They usually ignore anything they don't like. lol -Original Message- From: John Farley via Talk Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 5:46 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
I agree I wrote to them until an official announcement is made this is just nuts be a little positive. - Original Message - From: "Chris Skarstad via Talk" To: "Kenneth Son" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ An
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
So, like, you guys have pretty much already decided that window-eyes is dead and gone, even before an official announcement has even been made? I love your optomism. with attitudes like this, no wonder people are convinced it's going away. oh, but yeah, just sit back, and don't do anything. Great attitudes y'all. 10:31 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://l
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
Hello list. I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good. Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it puts the other screen reader into the useless category. That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is for the Apple products. Probably that's how it should be any way. The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart sick. Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age. Something is just a little funny about this whole thing. Kenneth Son. On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
Back when Open Book was owned by Arkenstone the users list for Open Book was monitored by the Arkenstone staff. Then when FS purchased Open Book that monitoring stopped never to be seen again. Simply put FS doesn't monitor their users list. On 10/15/2016 8:19 AM, David via Talk wrote: For all the years I have been a WE user, one of the outstanding things to be said about the staff, was that they actually cared to follow the trafic on the mailing lists. Valuable instructions and feedback has been received from the staff directly, and as a user, you could give direct feedback straight to the staff. Along with the fact, you could have them join in, when a certain feature has been discussed. To the extent of my knowledge, it seems noone from the new staff will yet have presented themselves on this - or any of the other WE related lists. And one of the more active ones of the old staff, Marc, has now left. Am I correct, that this list more or less by now will have been left for the user-community? That in the coming, when you have an issue that could need attention, but which might need a bit of community discussion to take the best form - we will have to first discuss things here, and then parallel with that, go to some Website and fill in some form (which from the below message seems to not even recognize WE), to make the staff aware we have an issue? In such a case: Guess how many will just drop uttering their ideas for improvement. Would it be a great thing, could someone from the new staff join the list, and let us all know. Or, in case they are already listening, would it be great if they let us be informed. Many times lately, I have a feeling we are speaking to the wall. I do realize that the great reorganizing that comes from the merge, may well take up much resources. But still, good contact with your users will be the number one thing, should your product succeed, and your customer service be outstanding. Is there any way for WE users, to contact the VFO officers directly, or are we just left to go through whatever hoops and loops, to be allowed sending a message, hoping someone ever bothers to reply? This might be important to know, specially if the spiculations are meant to cease. David On 10/15/2016 12:46 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote: Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options,
Re: Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
For all the years I have been a WE user, one of the outstanding things to be said about the staff, was that they actually cared to follow the trafic on the mailing lists. Valuable instructions and feedback has been received from the staff directly, and as a user, you could give direct feedback straight to the staff. Along with the fact, you could have them join in, when a certain feature has been discussed. To the extent of my knowledge, it seems noone from the new staff will yet have presented themselves on this - or any of the other WE related lists. And one of the more active ones of the old staff, Marc, has now left. Am I correct, that this list more or less by now will have been left for the user-community? That in the coming, when you have an issue that could need attention, but which might need a bit of community discussion to take the best form - we will have to first discuss things here, and then parallel with that, go to some Website and fill in some form (which from the below message seems to not even recognize WE), to make the staff aware we have an issue? In such a case: Guess how many will just drop uttering their ideas for improvement. Would it be a great thing, could someone from the new staff join the list, and let us all know. Or, in case they are already listening, would it be great if they let us be informed. Many times lately, I have a feeling we are speaking to the wall. I do realize that the great reorganizing that comes from the merge, may well take up much resources. But still, good contact with your users will be the number one thing, should your product succeed, and your customer service be outstanding. Is there any way for WE users, to contact the VFO officers directly, or are we just left to go through whatever hoops and loops, to be allowed sending a message, hoping someone ever bothers to reply? This might be important to know, specially if the spiculations are meant to cease. David On 10/15/2016 12:46 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote: > Hello list, > > I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web > site. > > It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will > take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! > I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my > comments. > > > > Regards, John > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM > To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays > around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect > the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai > squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product > and that you are a loyal user. > > > > > On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be >> fazed out? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >> To: bj colt via Talk >> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >> >> Hello John, >> >> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am >> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst >> other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if >> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people >> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. >> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger >> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT >> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they >> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. >> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for >> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you >> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own >> pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing >> both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out >> Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. >> >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 > btinternet.com. > For s
Contacting VFO Regarding Window-Eyes
Hello list, I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on their web site. It was interesting to find that in their list of products that they will take note of Window-Eyes does not exist! I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about Window-Eyes in my comments. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: > Hi all, > > Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be > fazed out? > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk > Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 > To: bj colt via Talk > Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > Hello John, > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am > not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst > other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if > Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people > wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. > Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger > people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT > technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they > think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. > We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for > Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you > would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own > pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing > both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out > Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40 btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com