[OSM-talk] JOSM upload failure

2008-01-03 Thread Stephen Hope
the nodes that uploaded last time? Is there some rule that says you can't have two nodes in the same place? Stephen Hope ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Place of worship: wayside crosses

2008-02-03 Thread Stephen Hope
Christoph, There was some discussion about this on the list last month, (in a thread that started by talking about the Icon tag), and there is now a proposed tag as wayside_cross (there is also wayside_shrine). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/wayside_cross Wayside

Re: [OSM-talk] Raw GPS layer

2008-02-22 Thread Stephen Hope
This would be good. But even better, let me select a portion of a track log and upload it. My track logs tend to be a nightmarish tangle, with possibly hours of stuff before, after and during the interesting bits. I can use them because I was there, and know where I went, when and why (this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Rocky beaches

2008-04-14 Thread Stephen Hope
Also, if you are in an area with extensive coastal swamps (mangroves for example) be aware that the PGS data usually traces the land side of the swamp. This makes sense, looking at the statement below, but the mangrove swamps can extend for many kilometres to sea, and I wouldn't want to sail

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping distant objects by triangulation.

2008-05-12 Thread Stephen Hope
In theory, yes. In practice, maybe. You would find that if you did a third measuring line, it probably wouldn't intersect where the first two did. Small errors at the measuring end cause massive errors at the other end. Even the guys with the specialist measuring equipment working on a

Re: [OSM-talk] area topology

2008-05-13 Thread Stephen Hope
Says who? The boundary of the forest IS the road. :) This is one of religious discussions - both sides KNOW they are right, and no amount of discussion is going to change things. Unless we have a central decision making force of some sort lay down the law, (in OSM - hah!) you'll continue to

Re: [OSM-talk] difference between waterway=canal and waterway=drain

2008-05-14 Thread Stephen Hope
What is your definition of an artificial waterway? Dug and designed by man? Made of non-natural materials? Near me a few years ago was an open marshy field that was fed by a stream, with a stream exiting. Now the developers have put houses up in the field. They brought in dirt and raised the

Re: [OSM-talk] pronunciation tag

2008-06-23 Thread Stephen Hope
2008/6/24 Michal Migurski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd also take issue with your rendering of Divisadero - it's a lot like Sepulveda in in LA, apparently the wrong pronunciation is the right pronunciation. =) That's a whole other can of worms. Is the right pronunciation: - The way the locals

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide roads and traffic signals

2008-06-25 Thread Stephen Hope
If you can't cross from one side to another anywhere, then it should be marked as two separate ways. When you have a twoway road connect to one of these, it will connect to each side, with a little crossing piece in the middle. When you have two such roads connect, then it will look like a hash

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it land or sea: how to map a swamp?

2008-07-08 Thread Stephen Hope
The northern coast of Australia has many Mangrove marshes at river mouths, some of them extending many kilometres away from the dry shore line. PGS shows these areas as sea, because they are not dry land - and that is were the coastlines would have been imported from. Note that being submerged

Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior

2008-09-01 Thread Stephen Hope
2008/9/2 Sascha Silbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There's no way OSM could change that default, it's up to your MUA vendor. The buttons you're currently using are reply (with an implied to author) and reply to all, not reply (default) and reply (alternative). The only thing OSM can do is to trick your

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Stephen Hope
In my part of Australia, we have a speed limit that applies to every non-rural street that is not specifically signed as being another speed - basically case (b) below. The wording used in the law is built up area. (In practice, the test for a built up area seems to be does it have street

Re: [OSM-talk] Highways tagging vs Polygon

2009-05-21 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/5/22 Richard Bullock rb...@cantab.net: Am I missing something, or can we not just assume that e.g. each highway=residential has a speed limit consistent with urban areas in that country - unless explicitly tagged otherwise Actually, that wouldn't work where I live in Australia. Each

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tag] Ref in link

2009-06-24 Thread Stephen Hope
What is your suggested ref for links that are an entrance, not an exit? And can you give an example of what you mean by an exit ref? Where I come from, some exits have numbers, but the number is associated with the highway ref, so you'd still need that as well. 2009/6/25 Xav x...@nainwak.com:

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Distance to feature' maps?

2009-07-14 Thread Stephen Hope
Good luck changing their minds. We have a similar rule near here - no bad winters or wild animals, but some kids were supposed to walk across a major multi-lane highway that had no crossing at all for vehicles for several km each way, but they were within a 1km circle of the school, so no

Re: [OSM-talk] Same physical road, diff maxspeed.

2009-07-22 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm sure somebody somewhere has used a tag like max_speed_opposite or something like that, but the closest I've actually seen to a recomendation is this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Segmented_Tag Look at the discussion tab for more info. I don't knwo how widely this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Same physical road, diff maxspeed.

2009-07-22 Thread Stephen Hope
Yeah, you're right - this is more what I was thinking of seeing, but the relationship is the one that came up when I searched. I don't understand the wiki search results sometimes. Try this page. I think the one I listed earlier is not the best option.

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/7/28 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: In Australia in Telstra won a lawsuit against people OCR'ing the street directory and selling white/yellow pages on CD. For all intents and purposes Telstra owns the copyright on all Australian White/Yellow page directories and now Telstra is a

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS Accuracy under Forest Canopy

2009-08-10 Thread Stephen Hope
I've done some rain-forest hiking, and I've noticed similar results. If you really want to see some wandering tracks, try hiking along the base of some cliffs, in dense forest. I have noticed that the errors do seems to be less the faster I'm moving. If I stand in one place for a while, the path

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-13 Thread Stephen Hope
I've seen todo=job used for this purpose. And todo tags show up in a number of verification tools, so it will be brought to people's attention. Stephen 2009/8/14 Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dk: I realized when mapping today that it would be very useful to have a set of OSM status POIs

Re: [OSM-talk] Historic Mapping needs help Now!

2009-08-18 Thread Stephen Hope
I am hoping in a couple of weeks to map the grounds at a festival that occurs yearly in the same spot. This is not so much historical data, as data that's only true for three weeks a year. The rest of the time, it's just fields, with a few items (some toilets, etc) that stay in place year round.

Re: [OSM-talk] Historic Mapping needs help Now!

2009-08-19 Thread Stephen Hope
and are, in many ways, much more exciting examples of the proposal. That's my opinion at least; load the database with all the dating information you can and leave it to those who control the renderers to decide what they want to show. Cheers, Joseph 2009/8/19 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: I am

Re: [OSM-talk] Historic Mapping needs help Now!

2009-08-19 Thread Stephen Hope
not this year. Stephen 2009/8/19 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Wed, 19/8/09, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Going to the Muster? Even when events are on the same space wouldn't the venue be laid out differently each year

Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions

2009-08-19 Thread Stephen Hope
Well, I don't know about Hebrew. But at least some of the languages that use Arabic script (there are many) write the sentences and words from right to left, but the numbers from left to right. I have no idea about Chinese/Japanese etc. But I think that left to right for numbers, while not

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-22 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/8/23 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: I believe the best way to solve this is to create a new top-level (that is, highway) value for all variants of conveyor transport. So, for example, we could do: Is this intended to be only for human transport? I know of some quite lengthy conveyors

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/8/23 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Therefore, I'd prefer to restrict highway=conveyor to human transport (or human+bicycle or some kind of vehicle, if this exists somewhere, by using access tags) and use a separate top level tag for goods - for example man_made=conveyor. I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/8/26 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 26/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Pre-processor finds a stop sign, looks for the nearest junction node which it would already know is a junction

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

2009-09-09 Thread Stephen Hope
What landuse would you recommend for a cemetery? It's been said that all land should be covered by some landuse or other. Like putting in Landuse=retail but also listing the individual shops as amenities. So should we put both landuse=cemetery and an amenity=cemetery/graveyard node, or are you

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Additional parking types for amenity=parking

2009-09-13 Thread Stephen Hope
I think the problem there is they are usually a lot of small buildings, rather than one big one. I think we're looking for a tag to cover an area, I'm not sure building= is appropriate. Stephen 2009/9/14 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Since they're buildings wouldn't using a building=*

Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: Place Station ou just Place ?

2009-09-17 Thread Stephen Hope
And the difference between them is pretty easily explained. If you're on a train, you know you've just pulled into a station, the only question is which one, so the word station is redundant. If you are outside the station, you may not know what the building in front of you is, and you are

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin

2009-09-17 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/9/18 Dan Karran d...@karran.net: and 'turn right' to stay on the same road, even though it just continues past the junction with a curve to the right. Well yes, but there is a road going straight ahead as well. I've seen plenty of situations where it is not obvious that the road you are

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/9/22 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: Now everything I know about Australian highways I learned from Mel Gibson in _The Road Warrior_ so I have much to learn.  What is the shield landscape like in Australia? Queensland is in the (slow) process of changing to alphanumeric designations,

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-09 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/10/9 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: The benefit is that people spend more time mapping and less time coordinating with each other on things that don't need to be coordinated in advance. And the disadvantage is that by saving a little time on the lack of coordinating at the start, we then

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-11 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/10/11 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: Stephen Hope writes:   However, I have seen proposals which have improved considerably after   a little bit of feedback during the voting process. We now have a tagging mailing list for that. Of course, and it's a good place to talk about

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and

2009-10-21 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/10/22 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: There is not currently a single solution, but I see no reason why a good email based list can't simply add a web based interactive archive as well? There are solutions, but all the ones I know about are commercial. I use a board based on MPNews

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Stephen Hope
I think this is a case where the different versions of English are not quite the same. To me: A ford is a crossing that is usually underwater all the time. However the water is shallow enough that you can cross anyway, just expect to get a bit wet. It may be dry if the whole river dries up, or

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_link impliesoneway=??

2008-10-02 Thread Stephen Hope
Bad assumption. This may be the case in parts of Europe and the USA, but certainly not in most parts of the world. 2008/10/3 Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Trunk roads are probably mostly oneway, too ... ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC -Motorway_linkimpliesoneway=??

2008-10-08 Thread Stephen Hope
2008/10/9 Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This leads to a nightmare. Those rules would need to be implemented in every tool that works with OSM data (and cares about oneway properties). It's a nightmare we're probably going to have to address at some point if we want to do good routing.

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions vs allowances?

2008-10-22 Thread Stephen Hope
We have a similar thing here in Queensland, Australia. You can't do a U-turn at any traffic lights unless there is a sign specifically saying that you can. I think this is the same across the whole country, but I'd have to check. There are no signs saying you can't at the other lights, you're

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Stephen Hope
Not all PSV's are buses. 2008/10/23 Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usually psv for public service vehicle is used for access restrictions. I missed that. It would have been too easy to call a bus bus, I guess ;-) Should we rename bus_stop to

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-26 Thread Stephen Hope
]: Stephen Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not all PSV's are buses. What else? Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restriction docs

2008-11-30 Thread Stephen Hope
As well as You can't do this and You must do this we need You may do this (that normally you can't). Where I live, you can't do a U-turn at traffic lights unless there's a sign that says you can. If we try and mark this by putting relations at every light banning U-turns, we'll just end up with

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki map features

2008-12-01 Thread Stephen Hope
Where you have the sign post for 4WD only, is that an access restriction or a suggestion? I.E. If you go on that road with a motorbike, or a 2wd vehicle, could you face prosecution? Or would you just be considered a bit foolish? It's a warning, not a restriction. I regularly take my 2WD

Re: [OSM-talk] Seasonal Roads?

2008-12-10 Thread Stephen Hope
Start using it - the ultimate test of tag in OSM is whether it is used or not. However, if people are actively discussing it, try and get a consensus first. Stephen 2008/12/11 Colin McGregor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, what can I do to help advance the cause of getting a seasonal tag (be the

Re: [OSM-talk] Some more shops and amenities for the map features page ...

2008-12-21 Thread Stephen Hope
2008/12/21 D Tucny d...@tucny.com: What makes an optician's a shop whereas a dentist is an amenity? NHS? Opticians selling sunglasses? Because an opticians tend's to look a shop, and I can go in, buy something (new frame, glasses case, cleaning materials) without an appointment or seeing an

Re: [OSM-talk] Which entry level budget garmin

2009-01-05 Thread Stephen Hope
It's not hard to test. When I was unsure if my device was doing this or not, I set it to snap to road, and then took it for a little walk along the edge and then cut some corners in a park, then looked at the tracks. For my specific device (not a Zumo), I discovered that the on screen and main

Re: [OSM-talk] Which entry level budget garmin

2009-01-06 Thread Stephen Hope
I didn't give it because I didn't remember, and it isn't what he's looking for. It was the testing of the snap-to road functions and the track-logging I remembered. It is a Mio PDA, model 7nn (720, 730?). I can't look it up right now because I loaned it to somebody for the Christmas holidays,

Re: [OSM-talk] Temporary Items, overlays, changes

2009-01-07 Thread Stephen Hope
No, don't delete them if they may be of historical value (or if they come back again). Tag them with something so they don't show in the current day maps. We already have historical tagged items - things that don't currently exist. (US Civil war battlesites, etc). There is a festival near me

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Stephen Hope
What I like about the tag voting system is the discussion. The discussion pages around a tag proposal are often quite useful - often more so than the main page on the tag. The number of times a tag proposal has been improved from the original proposal after discussion suggests that any system

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Stephen Hope
And you can't always blame the journalists, either. Once they send their copy in, the editors can have a go at it as well. I've seen perfectly good and factual articles become very inaccurate as the editors try and make it fit in half the space with bit of cut and paste. You'd think these days the

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=cyclefootway

2009-03-27 Thread Stephen Hope
OK, so while we're talking about this, there are a number of paths near me. Nice smooth concrete, about 2m wide. They run through parks, and there are signs on the park as a whole that say No motorised vehicles. These paths are marked with a sign that has a pedestrian and a bicycle, and another

Re: [OSM-talk] What is amenity=food_outlets in map features?

2009-03-29 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm guessing a food court. That's the term I've always heard, anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_court Stephen 2009/3/29 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Hi! Someone added amenity=food_outlets to the map features and even after reading the comment An area with several food

Re: [OSM-talk] best GPS for trekking

2009-04-16 Thread Stephen Hope
Make sure you test it in the cold though, as noted before, recharchable batteries especially tend to work worse in cold weather. Doesn't mean they won't work, just that you'll get maybe half the life out of them. If you are going to use good alkaline batteries, don't expect them to be easily

Re: [OSM-talk] coastline accuracy?

2009-04-29 Thread Stephen Hope
There are large parts of tropical coastlines where the coast is marked as the outside edge of mangrove swamps. These are covered with water most of the time, and adjacent to the sea, so are below the high tide line, but are considered to be part of the land. You can't take a boat through them,

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

2009-12-17 Thread Stephen Hope
There was a similar study that has been done in Wikipedia - and it got similar results. Then somebody else did some closer studies, and found that the last edit may have been done by one of the 10%, but they were often cosmetic cleanups. The bulk of creation was done by other users. I wonder how

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-27 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/12/27 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: In Australia there is this legacy speed limit sign for people with racing licenses that they can drive any speed they wish, everyone else is limited to 100, how exactly do you map that? (and I saw one such sign only the day before yesterday).

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/8 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: I would like but we need some clear definition about office and what makes the difference with the existing amenity and shop keys. For instance, the current definition of shop in Map Features is: A shop is a place of business stocked with goods for sale or

Re: [OSM-talk] New Highways view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/9 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: No it isn't, the preprocessing software could do that if it needs it, this isn't a reason to add extra nodes to the database. We are talking about the API for editors and casual use of the database. There are no pre-processors involved. Sure,

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-06-01 Thread Stephen Hope
On 2 June 2010 12:08, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: this reminds me of a situation i've come across in auckland, which i don't know the solution to. there's a major road, which apparently has three names: The Strand (on signposts) Shipwright Lane (on different signposts)

Re: [OSM-talk] Stack Overflow-like site for geographic information systems

2010-06-22 Thread Stephen Hope
On 23 June 2010 02:44, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: I think it would be rather bad of us to try and take it over and use it for our own ends like that. Some of us have already been talking about setting up an OSM specific QA site like this which would be a much better fit than trying to

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for street danger levels

2010-06-22 Thread Stephen Hope
On 23 June 2010 00:14, Paul Houle p...@ontology2.com wrote:    I'd like to see some tagging that tells cyclists not to ride on sidewalks,  for instance:  as a pedestrian I've been involved in accidents where cyclists were ~illegally~ riding on a sidewalk and Surely that is just highway=foot,

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering: nature_reserve and national_park

2010-06-29 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm a bit confused as to what exactly counts as a nature_preserve. Take a look at this area http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.277213,152.952728z=18t=knmd=20100608 The land around the creek there is a council designated reserve. However, it's not really to preserve any special nature area, or even

Re: [OSM-talk] maori/english search oddities for nz towns

2010-07-06 Thread Stephen Hope
Chrome - Pahia, New Zealand Firefox 3.6.6 - Pahia, New Zealand IE 8.0 - Pahia, Aotearoa Weird. Checking my language options in IE, the only language listed is English, Australian. Stephen On 7 July 2010 12:40, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: well, here's an odd thing: if i

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-19 Thread Stephen Hope
On 19 July 2010 23:19, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: And honestly, if at any future time two thirds of active OSM contributors want to change to a non-SA license, why should we keep them from it? In one or two years, two thirds of active contributors will be a greater number of

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-11 Thread Stephen Hope
Or how big almost any place not in Europe is. I still remember somebody suggesting a kayak safari to map the Australian coast rather than using imagery/PGS imports. Stephen On 10 June 2012 14:56, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Me too. I think that the people who wish that the USA had

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag combinations: amenity and highway

2012-06-14 Thread Stephen Hope
It is an important point of difference to train and bus stations/stops as to whether they have a dedicated Park and Ride carpark or not. It is something I would find useful if I was searching for station POI's. It's not just whether parking is nearby, but whether it's dedicated to commuters - not

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Stephen Hope
On 16 August 2010 07:42, Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de wrote: Are there any empty nodes that make sense, or is a empty always node nonsense? The only thing I can think of , is that when I upload a way, the nodes go first, then the way joins them all up. Is it possible for somebody else to get

Re: [OSM-talk] Beaches at lower zoom levels

2010-08-19 Thread Stephen Hope
On 19 August 2010 17:27, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote: The usual convention (Ordnance Survey for example) for land maps is to use Mean High Water. (Marine charts usually use Mean High Water Springs as their dry land datum.) There are exceptions. If a given area is

Re: [OSM-talk] Place of worship

2010-08-26 Thread Stephen Hope
On 21 August 2010 04:29, Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com wrote: Yes it seems strange to tag place_of_worship the whole area. According to the wiki should apply to the church, synagoge, temple... the place of worship, not the office, the garden and so on. To me, it's not strange at all.

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-21 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 September 2010 21:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Firstly, what is behind the gate differs depending on your location. Secondly, the way behind the gate may well be reachable by other means (i.e. a detour) - it is easy to imagine a gate where vehicles cannot pass, but still

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference

2010-11-28 Thread Stephen Hope
On 27 November 2010 08:45, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I'd much rather see a relative completeness grid map to inspire people to go out and visit those grids that seem less than perfect. There's a tool I'd like to see available, with it own data store, that overlays the main

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread Stephen Hope
Fabio, I cannot sign every edit I've ever done over, because I don't have the rights to do so. I can OK many of them, however, that were based purely on my own work, and not CC-BY-SA sources. There was some talk of a tool being made available that would let me specify which were OK by

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 December 2010 12:53, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Because of the impossibility to be able to distinguish whats what, any user who has ever made a change in this situation will have to have all their edits removed from the system, to avoid any possibility that one edit might

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 December 2010 20:25, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: this is no way different from GPL released software: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html Actually, it's quite different. The FSF tell you upfront what the requirements are. The OSMF let you spend years working on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Hope
On 21 December 2010 09:52, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: So, can you tell from every edit you did, whether you used nearmap as a reference while doing the edit?  If so, you must be one of the very small percentage of people who tagged 100% every change they made, including even

Re: [OSM-talk] protocol for adding buildings using aerial imagery?

2010-12-28 Thread Stephen Hope
On 28 December 2010 23:51, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Trying to estimate building height via the perspective in aerial pictures will be tricky, as buildings that were closer to the flight path won't show as much parallax as those that were farther away. It will be even trickier if you are

Re: [OSM-talk] address parsing by nominatim

2011-01-10 Thread Stephen Hope
2011/1/10 ヴィカス ヤダヴァ (vikas yadav) mevi...@gmail.com: I used hamlet for my block as pop limit of 1000 is given = satisfied The problem here is that population is only part of the definition of a hamlet. Less than 1000 people is correct, but it also has an implied and is surrounded by open

Re: [OSM-talk] 12nm territorial borders - useful or rubbish?

2011-02-13 Thread Stephen Hope
On 14 February 2011 16:52, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Would the UK coastguard have a good laugh when I claim to be in international waters at that location? If youre more than 12 miles from the coast (which is what is mapped) then youre in international waters, why would they

Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-06 Thread Stephen Hope
On 6 March 2011 12:27, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: If it's a footway, unless it's clearly designed around foot use first and foremost with bicycle an afterthought, it doesn't allow bicycles unless explicitly tagged bicycle=yes.  Otherwise it's a path.  Maybe a cycleway if there is

Re: [OSM-talk] Bandwidth limit/IP blocking - Error 303 on the OSM API?

2011-06-06 Thread Stephen Hope
On 6 June 2011 17:55, Jaak Laineste jaak.laine...@gmail.com wrote:  Also we have always started with P2, JOSM is too scary for the first introduction. So offline OSM files is not an option. I keep hearing this, but I must be weird, because I had the opposite reaction both when I first started

Re: [OSM-talk] new zealand, australia

2011-07-07 Thread Stephen Hope
It is confusing, but I don't think that I'd call it correct, either. New Guinea can be considered part of the Australian continent, but New Zealand is not. It's Islands, and not on the continental shelf. It and NG are sometimes listed as part of Australasia (not Australia), and a bigger area

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-26 Thread Stephen Hope
On 27 July 2011 10:40, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Yes, it is called Saint Albans, written St Albans, except where some websites seem to have expanded it. e.g. http://www.meteoprog.co.uk/en/weather/SaintAlbans/ http://www.gomapper.com/travel/map-of/saint-albans.html etc...

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Stephen Hope
On 28 July 2011 21:52, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: Now that said I don't really care which tag is used for the 'full' name.  I'd personally prefer the name tag was used for this because it has always been the policy of OSM that the name tag includes the full

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap

2011-08-15 Thread Stephen Hope
Parveen, See this thread on this list from February 3 2011. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-February/056310.html Steve Coast announced the following. http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx

Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org

2013-08-19 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 August 2013 07:57, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I think one shouldn't be religious about warnings/questions/popup messages - sure it's a UI challenge to do them well but simply not doing them at all, ever, doesn't automatically mean you have a good UI. However, a pop-up

Re: [talk-au] Test trace how many points on a road

2008-02-18 Thread Stephen Hope
There is (was?) a simplify way command available in JOSM, but you need to add one of the plugins first. Stephen On 18/02/2008, Paul Zagoridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg Ah I did it on Potlatch -- sorry about that. Regards Paul Greg Harper wrote, On 17/2/08 3:32 PM: Where

Re: [talk-au] Number of lanes?

2008-03-10 Thread Stephen Hope
A number of people seem to misread the lanes tag as total lanes on the road, not lanes in each direction. A case could be made that it should be total lanes, as that would allow for asymmetric roads to be modelled. I suspect that a lot of the lanes=1 tags really mean that it is a narrow, unmarked

Re: [talk-au] Sydney cycle routes

2008-03-18 Thread Stephen Hope
In the Brisbane Metro area, Pine Rivers shire (soon to be part of Moreton Bay) has maps available of bike routes. I looked at one to see how many there would be to map in the region. From what I can tell, they've marked every wide footpath on the map, as well as shared walkways through parks

Re: [talk-au] boxes around cities

2008-09-02 Thread Stephen Hope
Yeah - look to see if they have a notes tag. Are these the Yahoo coverage boxes you are talking about? I noticed the one for Adelaide appeared a few months ago and confused me until I realised that's what it was for. -- ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] GPS recommendation

2008-09-11 Thread Stephen Hope
I hadn't heard of that one before. Do you have any idea how long it operates as a GPS on battery? The GPS I have now is a multifunction device - it goes for hours without the GPS on, but turn the GPS on and it dies quickly. It is going to be used in the car with power, the one I'm looking to

Re: [talk-au] Edits in and around Mt Barker, SA

2008-10-20 Thread Stephen Hope
2008/10/21 Kim Hawtin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Are the rail and road under passes right? I have set them as tunnels, because it makes more sense than the freeway being a bridge, how ever what do other folks use? Without actually looking at what you've done - I've done both. If the underpass

Re: [talk-au] Mapnik rendering of AU cities

2008-12-04 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm not positive, but I think that the very low zoom views don't actually get a lot (any?) of their data from the live OSM data. Rather they do, but they are only updated on very occasionally. There is just too much data to be continually recreating tiles that large from the main database. The

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-10 Thread Stephen Hope
There is no problem adding a turning circle to courts as long as they have one. Before the turning circle tag was rendered, I saw the occasional mini-roundabout used as a turning circle, because it made the map look right. Stephen 2008/12/11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 I completely agree with all

Re: [talk-au] Major road cleanup

2008-12-21 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm a little confused. Everywhere I've seen a park on the side of the road like that, it has used the same nodes, but not the same way. Splitting the way should not effect the park at all, except if you add nodes, in which case you'll need to add them to the park way as well. Or am I thinking of

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-18 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/1/18 Liz ed...@billiau.net: Important matter on copyright duration I realised only very recently that we haven't been reading the rules correctly and published material - the street directory, the paper map, expires after 25 years at midnight on the next New Years Eve Published

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Stephen Hope
To get imagery in Josm, you need to use the WMS menu at the top to add an imagery layer. You may need to set it up first with some plug-ins. It is certainly possible, though. Stephen 2009/5/20 Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: I tried JSOM briefly the other day but the entire

Re: [talk-au] Causeways

2009-05-25 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/5/25 Liz ed...@billiau.net: Something else I can't work out how to tag is a jetty, the thing that juts out into water and boats tie up to. But after 8 years of drought here, perhaps I needn't worry too much. Just be grateful you're not trying to teach English to some-one who speaks

Re: [talk-au] Hi all ...

2009-06-17 Thread Stephen Hope
I've ever used Potlatch-I was nervous about having an editor that was always live - no 'edit-check-save' cycle. I understand that has recently changed, but the point is it's not that hard to use some of the other options. Stephen 2009/6/17 Dan O'Hara oha...@homemail.com.au: As a total newbie to

Re: [talk-au] Hi all ...

2009-06-17 Thread Stephen Hope
Sorry- that should be _Never_ used potlatch 2009/6/18 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: I've ever used Potlatch-I was nervous about having an editor that was always live - no 'edit-check-save' cycle. I understand that has recently changed, but the point is it's not that hard to use some

Re: [talk-au] Data Error - Junctions ?

2009-06-17 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/6/18 Rick Peterson ausr...@iinet.net.au: Background: I was having a look at my local area with Keepright and spotted a couple of dead ended one ways. On close inspection in Potlatch, I see that the junctions have not been formed correctly. The layout of the streets, street names etc all

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