Re: 5.0.9.7
Hi, That may be a LOT deeper issue than the wrong icon when started from a shortcut. OK, we cant repair your car. We build it but we doesent have time to fix this problem because its much harder to find. We have to change wheel-screws primary on all the other cars. Not our problem if you cant drive. Regards Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Chinese language filtering bug
Hi, Could any one make a try and create rule with that Chinese expression (已读:) save it, close Filter and reopen to check if it changed to ??: at your system as well? -- Best regards, RS Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:53:32 PM, you wrote: Hi, It's my first post, so if there are any formal mistakes please let me know :) There are couple of bugs connected with Chinese characters. Sample Subject and Message Body below (had to remove sender and topic): Subject: 已读: Re:5YY Body: 这是邮件收条，收件人: x...@x.net 原邮件主题: Re:5Y 此收条表明收件人的电脑上曾显示过此邮件，显示时间: 2011-04-29 15:50:09 After Chinese expression is placed for filtering (ex: 已读: in a syntax: Subject contains 已读:) it's gone after pressing OK and reopening Filter window there is an expression: '??: ' instead of 已读: In that way I need to move all Chinese reading confirmations manually... :( -- Best regards, RS The Bat! 5.0.8 Windows7 Professional (x64) Polish (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:17:35 -0400, Rick wrote: I am curious. You complain a lot about the Bat. No, I don't. Are you reporting the issues that bother you, I did report the rather outdated Help file more than 2 years ago, without any hope of RL taking care of it. Now, out of curiosity, I installed v5 and indeed, the Help file hasn't changed a bit. After that I wiped it of my hard disk. getting confirmations and entering them in the bug tracker? I don't use the program anymore, because I learned my lesson many years ago. From time to time I do check a new release version to check what is wrong with it now, and I'm never disappointed. It just wonders me why some people still defend it so vehemently, despite its worsening state of maintenance and development. That's all. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
Hi Guys, As I said before I'm new here but I watched the list for last two days and I have a feeling that there is rather a battle ground ... unfortunately one side only (haven't seen any feedback messages from The Bat! team). Frustrated user - I can understand them/us. I'm frustrated about some issues as well and about the fact that I need to do part of filtering manually. I might be mistaken but that all fight is rather not helping anyone. Maybe a solution would be to prepare and discuss with the programmers a priority list of bugs to be fixed and stick to it. Some features are not important to some users but they might be important to other users. In ex: IMAP bugs are not important for me at all but I understand its importance for some people (what I saw they are rather minor problems any way). I'm sorry to write that in my opinion personal opinion Smileys shall rather not be a priority and is minor matter for The Bat! users. Major matters for all of us are rather problems connected with the reason we spend money to buy Your product :) 1. Superior Filtering (that needs some adjustments at the moment), I have another problem connected with filtering but not going to report it yet - might be because I skipped something (newbee as I wrote before :) ). 2. Virtual Folders matter, 3. IMAP matter, x. Smileys (probably for all of us at the very end of priority list) -- Best regards, RS Saturday, April 30, 2011, 4:44:20 PM, you wrote: Hi, That may be a LOT deeper issue than the wrong icon when started from a shortcut. OK, we cant repair your car. We build it but we doesent have time to fix this problem because its much harder to find. We have to change wheel-screws primary on all the other cars. Not our problem if you cant drive. Regards Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hello F.P., Saturday, April 30, 2011, 10:44:20 AM, you wrote: FP OK, we cant repair your car. We build it but we doesent have time to FP fix this problem because its much harder to find. We have to change FP wheel-screws primary on all the other cars. Not our problem if you FP cant drive. Actually it is a bad idea to compare software with cars, but if you insist... Did you pay for that car or did you trade in the earlier model you bought for the next model without paying anything at all? If you have paid in order to be able to use the new model, or if you have bought the new model without having an older model: did you take a test drive? If the answer to that question is yes, was the problem known to you when you decided to buy? If the answer is no, were you forced to buy/upgrade? If yes, check with the one who made you do it. If no, take responsibility for that decision. As you can see, I'm still using 4.2.44.2 (and should go back because 4.2.44.2 suffers from the problem with images on https servers) because I don't have the time, nor the setup to simply test it on a non-productive setup. Based upon the messages I can read here, I would not have relased 5 if I were Ritlabs, but I as a user of 4, I also decide not to use 5 until the features I need and already have in 4 seem to work properly in 5. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.44.2 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 4:25:30) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: HTML use (was: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List))
Hallo RS, On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:02:31 +0800GMT (30-4-2011, 12:02, where I live), you wrote: R As I said before I'm new here but I watched the list for last two R days and I have a feeling that there is rather a battle ground moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out RS. ' Please do not send HTML messages to the list except for purposes of testing. While the merits of HTML are debatable, and have been discussed numerous times on the lists, the list rules prohibit HTML e-mail. You can easily automate this by using %SetEditor=1 in your list template. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderator: Knows all, sees all, trips over his/her own two feet. pgpnSYWfxY4md.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List))
Hallo RS, On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:02:31 +0800GMT (30-4-2011, 12:02, where I live), you wrote: R Best regards, R RS R Saturday, April 30, 2011, 4:44:20 PM, you wrote: Hi, moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out RS. ' This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Fighting moderators is like fighting God...useless but fun! -Muad'Dex pgpG7R8dfwUB1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:33:31 -0500, Dwight wrote: Some of their implementations are superior to anything else out there Yes, we've all heard that before. More than once... and it continues to be true. Yes. Over the years I've learned that Beta! Fanboy's reactions fall into 3 rather stereotypical categories: 1) They announce it's up and running 2) They thank the developers for their hard work and wish them a good night's sleep / happy weekend with lots of rest / a well deserved vacation. 3) When they feel TB! is being unfairly criticized they invariably argue that their beloved toy can do things that no other mail client can do. The 3d argument is, of course, true. In more than one sense. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
Dear Rs, @30-Apr-2011, 18:02 +0800 (30-Apr 11:02 here) RS (FEDARA) [R] in mid:1462547914.20110430180...@fedara.com said to F.P.: That may be a LOT deeper issue than the wrong icon when started from a shortcut. OK, we cant repair your car. We build it but we doesent have time to fix this problem because its much harder to find. We have to change wheel-screws primary on all the other cars. Not our problem if you cant drive. R As I said before I'm new here but I watched the list for last two R days and I have a feeling that there is rather a battle R ground ... unfortunately one side only (haven't seen any R feedback messages from The Bat! team). The TB team only involve themselves in direct discussion of BugTraq reported issues. They never involve themselves in some of these emotive skirmishes that usually develop in such environments as this. ... snip R I need to do part of filtering manually. I do all of my filtering manually since switching to IMAP for my primary account. Under POP3, the whole thing was automated. R I might be mistaken but that all fight is rather not helping anyone. Agreed! R Maybe a solution would be to prepare and discuss with the R programmers a priority list of bugs to be fixed and stick to it. This is what the RITLabs BugTraq website is for and achieves admirably. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt Prioritisation of issues is down to the developers. They are usually pretty fair about the order of bug fixing. Show stoppers have top priority. Sometimes it seems that a low priority bug has been given unfair promotion and an early fix. As a developer myself, I can understand that it makes no sense to be fixing a major bug in a module and not fixing a minor one in the same module while it's out on the bench. Sometimes a bug will take too long to fix and the attempt will delay a release that contains many other important fixes and feature updates. While frustrating for those affected by such a bug, I can understand why these things happen. One argument is that software with known bugs is never releasable. I even once held that view myself. As software and its sphere of use and influence ever expands, so this ideal goal slips ever further into the distance. I don't think that's a reasonable expectation of complex software that has to cater for many real-time events and vagaries. But that's just my personal take on it. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows 7 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 ' pgpmbT3zHhky1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:35:46 +0100, Marck wrote: One argument is that software with known bugs is never releasable. I even once held that view myself. As software and its sphere of use and influence ever expands, so this ideal goal slips ever further into the distance. 4) All software has bugs, even known bugs. All I can advise you to do is to just read the comments on the 5.0.8 realease again. And a bit more thoroughly this time. It's not about bugs, known or unknown, it's about real annoyances and problems, experienced by people who have to pay mony for it. In short, they let people pay for software that has trouble with basic functions, like filtering and virtual folders. Moreover, it did take less than a day after release to notice those problems. I think that's a crying shame. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
Hello Arjan, Saturday, April 30, 2011, 12:29:05 PM, you wrote: AdG Over the years I've learned that Beta! Fanboy's reactions fall into 3 AdG rather stereotypical categories: Let's conclude that part of this thread by adding that these reactions invariably are given in answer to postings made by what in (y)our language is called an azijnpisser, a translation from the French pisse-vinaigre. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.44.2 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 6:39:10) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Error TMailMessage released before its use. (was: Re: 5.0.9.7)
Hello all, Friday, April 29, 2011, Maxim Masiutin wrote: The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5097.rar I am getting this error very often: --- The Bat! --- TMailMessage released before its use. --- OK --- Date: 30 Apr 2011 13:45:21 OS: Windows 7 Service Pack 1 build 7601 PhysMemFreeTotal: 1172/2047 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1830/2047 MB CommandLine: K:\The Bat!\thebat.exe /NOLOGO Address: 00C2089E ClassName: EMessageRefUseError Message: TMailMessage released before its use IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20110429193901 K:\The Bat!\thebat.exe Stack: 00C2089E [0040] 00C20899 [0040] 00C20861 [0040] 00A315F9 [0040] 00A31A14 [0040] 00AF69C0 [0040] 00475398 [0040] 00562DA9 [0040] 00562DE2 [0040] 0056303A [0040] 00C9D203 [0040] 00CA28BA [0040] 00CA9284 [0040] -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.4 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:41:56 +0200, Mark wrote: Let's conclude that part of this thread by adding that these reactions invariably are given in answer to postings made by what in (y)our language is called an azijnpisser, a translation from the French pisse-vinaigre. 5) The best method to defend yourself against what is in yout eyes unjust or unfair criticism is to put the motives of the critic in question. Which reminds me of standard sect defense behaviour. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
Hello Marck! On Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 12:35:46 PM you wrote: Sometimes a bug will take too long to fix and the attempt will delay a release that contains many other important fixes and feature updates. While frustrating for those affected by such a bug, I can understand why these things happen. Lots of true things in what you say. Unfortunately the official release of v5 [as before with every other major official release version] was so premature that the remaining [active] users of TB might be a tad offended. Many have reported severe bugs, which are still in a program version SOLD to unsuspecting folks. We need not wade too deep into marketing waters to see that there is a problem: finding a well-featured mail client which shows ghost messages, crashes frequently, produces AVs and Exceptions regularly, does not filter correctly ... in short, does not handle the basics of a mail client is not persuasive to shell out money. E-mail is increasingly shifting toward Web/cloud services, from Facebook messages to Twitter, Web mailers like Google, smartphones. A desktop client is not a necessity anymore, it is a luxury. I am still on POP3 for essentially one reason, The Bat!, sadly the reasons I want to use it dwindle as the very features I want to use don't do their job. I recommended TB for years to private and business contacts, without them paying me to help with setting it up. It was for sheer enthusiasm. Last year I was called in by a client to help set up his new computer. I thought about recommending TB, setting it up, as I think it would increase his productivity. Well, in a first round, for historical reasons, we went with Thunderbird, which I find ... [put in expletive of choice]. After a few months we decided to change to Outlook ... I cannot recommend TB! anymore because it does not enhance productivity anymore. It hinders it. For instance, I have to start the program two times when I run it the first time because some message stays in the Mail Ticker although it is marked read and deleted. That is not just annoying. And filters, and View Modes, the dreaded TMailHandler Released Before ... -- Dierk Haasis [DH² Publishing] The Bat 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info upon request Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. [Don Knuth] Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
Hello Arjan, Saturday, April 30, 2011, 2:02:50 PM, you wrote: AdG 5) The best method to defend yourself against what is in yout eyes AdG unjust or unfair criticism is to put the motives of the critic in AdG question. Why should I defend myself for something I am not responsible for? It is not me who wrote: ,--/ \ | I don't use the program anymore, because I learned my lesson many | years ago. From time to time I do check a new release version to | check what is wrong with it now, and I'm never disappointed. `-8--- That is typical behaviour for what I have described. Now you can call me whatever you want, I won't react anymore: someone has to stop this pointless conversation. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.44.2 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 7:49:38) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: HTML use (was: Chinese language filtering bug)
On Saturday, April 30, 2011, 4:42:23 AM, Marck Pearlstone wrote: Please do not send HTML messages to the list except for purposes of testing. Just curious. Is there a way to mix fonts as the sender here did with plain text. I'd love to know how I can do that. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML use
On Saturday, April 30, 2011, 15:44:01, Dwight Corrin wrote: Just curious. Is there a way to mix fonts as the sender here did with plain text. I'd love to know how I can do that. Not fonts - plain text always displays with the default font. Though I don't see where the OP used different fonts (except in signature). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] Any object that is accidentally dropped will hide under a larger object. -- Mickelson's Law of Falling Objects Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML use
On Saturday, April 30, 2011, 9:02:28 AM, Jernej Simončič wrote: OP used different fonts (except in signature) my bad. don't use chinese characters, but assumed different font than the roman alphabet. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
On Saturday, April 30, 2011, 5:04:39 AM, Mark Partous wrote: As you can see, I'm still using 4.2.44.2 (and should go back because 4.2.44.2 suffers from the problem with images on https servers) because I don't have the time, nor the setup to simply test it on a non-productive setup. Based upon the messages I can read here, I would not have relased 5 if I were Ritlabs, but I as a user of 4, I also decide not to use 5 until the features I need and already have in 4 seem to work properly in 5. another thing which I am confused about is users who threaten to or do leave because a feature is causing trouble but it doesn't exist in the product they move to. For example, the mail tracker. Disclaimer: haven't used for years. Anyhow, apparently there are currently some frustrating problems with it. So user abandons bat, to go to another software which doesn't have buggy tracker, because has no tracker at all. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Question RE: Folder Views
Hi, I've noticed an issue in the past Alphas and Betas regarding Folder Views, in particular when Grouped by Date. Each time I navigate away from the folder all of the threads get collapsed again. I do have Expand All Threads checked in the view, however it doesn't work with the Grouped By Date option. Am I doing something wrong or is this a known feature. Thanks for your time, Art -- Art Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands. __ TheBat! Pro v5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows 7 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:37:23 +0200, Mark Partous wrote: Now you can call me whatever you want, I won't react anymore: someone has to stop this pointless conversation. 6) If you're starting to suspect you have no longer control over the conversation or feel you're are in danger of losing the plot, just make one last killer statement and announce your retirement from the discussion. Now remember this? |To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com |Subject: Re: Nice new Features of Filters |From: Arjan de Groot ale...@.x.nl |Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:57:05 +0200 | |On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:03:17 +0200, Mark Partous wrote: | |[Code Rot] | |Daar geloof ik nu eens niks van! :-) | |Translated: I do not believe any of this! :-). | |OK. Read this: | |http://www.objectmentor.com/resources/articles/Principles_and_Patterns.pdf | |I'll quote just a very small part of this very interessing |document: | |Fragility. Closely related to rigidity is fragility. Fragility is |the tendency of the software to break in many places every time it |is changed. Often the breakage occurs in areas that have no |conceptual relationship with the area that was changed. Such |errors fill the hearts of managers with foreboding. Every time they |authorize a fix, they fear that the software will break in some |unexpected way. | |Now does that sound familiar? You didn't answer that message either. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TBMapi Error
Hi TBBETA After sending a doc file from Office Word 2010 via send option with TheBat! and closing Word I got an error window: --- Application Error --- Exception ECriticalSectionsLeak in module TBMapi.dll at 000116F5. Resource leak: 2 instance(s) of TBatCriticalSection left Caller addresses listed below: 022F4309 022F431A. --- OK --- -- Best regards, Martin mailto:dagob...@yahoo.com TheBat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) Pro (with OTFE) on Windows Vista 6.0 6002 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hi, That may be a LOT deeper issue than the wrong icon when started from a shortcut. OK, we cant repair your car. We build it but we doesent have time to fix this problem because its much harder to find. We have to change wheel-screws primary on all the other cars. Not our problem if you cant drive. The car isn't broken - you are just waiting for the part. Be patient -- Rick Getting Caught Is The Mother Of Invention v5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML use
On Saturday, April 30, 2011, 16:14:58, Dwight Corrin wrote: my bad. don't use chinese characters, but assumed different font than the roman alphabet. Oh, you just need to use an appropriate character set for that (best to simply use UTF-8, which covers practically everything). ⊥ɥǝu ʎon ɔɐu po ʇɥıuбs lıʞǝ ʇɥıs´ ʇoo˙ -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] If you need four screws for the job, the first three are easy to find. -- The N-1 Law Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBMapi Error
Hi TBBETA After sending a doc file from Office Word 2010 via send option with TheBat! and closing Word I got an error window: Did you install the new TBmapi.dll? Just in case you didn't here are the original instructions Please download http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tbmapi.rar and replace old tbmapi.dll files to the new file from the archive. The old DLL can be in C:\Program Files\The Bat!\TBMapi.dll and maybe in the Windows directory. Make sure that the tbmapi.dll have digital singature dated 25 April 2011 and Verisign's timestamp 15:34:34. -- Rick If you can dream it, you can do it. - Walt Disney v5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Encoding Error
This is the first time I have received this when replying to message 513596993.20110430172...@yahoo.com --- Edit Mail Message - Martin Schoch tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com --- The message characters that cannot be encoded using currently selected windows-1252 character set. Please use Windows-1255. --- OK --- -- Rick The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook. - William James v5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
Hello Arjan, On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:33:34 +0200 GMT (30/Apr/11, 18:33 PM +0700 GMT), Arjan de Groot wrote: AdG In short, they let people pay for software that has trouble with basic AdG functions, like filtering and virtual folders. Moreover, it did take AdG less than a day after release to notice those problems. The keyword here is basic functions. I need my email both for work and study, and I have not dared to up(down?)grade to v5 yet. V5 is not ready for release yet, IMHO. Yes, they've built it from scratch (if I understand correctly) meaning it's a completely new software with the same look-and feel as the previous one. A lot of work, I can imagine. However, as a new software, it is bound to have bugs in modules that worked flawlessly in earlier versions (actually, versions of the previous software). It is a big step for Ritlabs to take, rewriting the software (but not cross-platform, which I think is a missed opportunity), but the new software should be at least on par with the old one (plus the working IMAP support as promised for v2) before a first release. That's only my opinion, and Ritlabs will make their own decision. I will wait for the filters and virtual folders to work correctly, and the reports of AVs to stop, before I'll give v5 a try. I need this to work correctly and reliably before I will even consider looking into tooltips (that apparently can't be turned off reliably) or 2D barcode gadgets. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
Hello Arjan, On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:29:05 +0200 GMT (30/Apr/11, 17:29 PM +0700 GMT), Arjan de Groot wrote: AdG 3) When they feel TB! is being unfairly criticized they invariably AdG argue that their beloved toy can do things that no other mail client AdG can do. AdG The 3d argument is, of course, true. In more than one sense. TheBat! has superior filtering, and the virtual folders are just great! - That's my favourite argument for TB!. This argument doesn't appear to be true for v5 any more, though. The main reason I came to TB! in 1999 was that it could handle different accounts seperately. Nowadays, every email client can do that. People ask me why I still use this product from the last century, and I am running out of reasons... Please help! -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Chinese language filtering bug
Hello RS, On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:53:32 +0800 GMT (29/Apr/11, 22:53 PM +0700 GMT), RS (FEDARA) wrote: RF It's my first post, so if there are any formal mistakes please let me know I am sorry to see that you got bashed by the mods before anybody even attempted to help you. RF There are couple of bugs connected with Chinese characters. RF Sample Subject and Message Body below (had to remove sender and topic): RF Subject: 已读: Re:5YY RF Body: 这是邮件收条，收件人: RF x...@x.net RF 原邮件主题: Re:5Y RF 此收条表明收件人的电脑上曾显示过此邮件，显示时间: 2011-04-29 15:50:09 RF After Chinese expression is placed for filtering (ex: 已读: in a RF syntax: Subject contains 已读:) it's gone after pressing OK and RF reopening Filter window there is an expression: '??: ' instead of 已读: RF In that way I need to move all Chinese reading confirmations manually... For some reason, TB! replaces valid characters in the subject line (and in the recipeints' names) sometimes with question marks. I have this with Thai language too. Haven't found a pattern yet, though. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBMapi Error
Hi Rick On Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:08:18 PM you wrote: After sending a doc file from Office Word 2010 via send option with TheBat! and closing Word I got an error window: Did you install the new TBmapi.dll? Just in case you didn't here are the original instructions Oops - thanks for asking. No - didn't download the recent one. But now it's done. -- Best regards, Martin dagob...@yahoo.com TheBat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) Pro (with OTFE) on Windows Vista 6.0 6002 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML use
Hi, JS ⊥ɥǝu ʎon ɔɐu po ʇɥıuбs lıʞǝ ʇɥıs´ ʇoo˙ Wow. :-) How did you do that? Not searching through the charset for each character manually, did you? -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.18 Christmas Edition Windows 7 6.1 build 7601 Service Pack 1 pgpA6zlwyV5dz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML use
On Saturday, April 30, 2011, 19:02:55, Alto Speckhardt wrote:
How did you do that? Not searching through the charset for each
character manually, did you?
I've got a script that does it for me.
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use utf8;
binmode STDOUT,':utf8';
while() {
tr/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz!?.',/ɐqɔpǝɟбɥıſʞlɯuodbɹsʇnʌʍxʎz¡¿˙ˌ´/;
print \x{202e}; #RLO
print;
}
--
Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/
[ The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ]
How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you are on.
-- New Theory of Relativity
Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: HTML use
Guten Morgen, JS I've got a script that does it for me. Impressed. Thanks! ;-) -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.18 Christmas Edition Windows 7 6.1 build 7601 Service Pack 1 pgp0LNVdMHUHg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hello Dwight, Saturday, April 30, 2011, 4:19:13 PM, you wrote: DC another thing which I am confused about is users who threaten to or do DC leave because a feature is causing trouble but it doesn't exist in the DC product they move to. :-) Oh well, some people tend to create their own realities and then expect others to play along... DC For example, the mail tracker. Disclaimer: DC haven't used for years. Anyhow, apparently there are currently some DC frustrating problems with it. So user abandons bat, to go to another DC software which doesn't have buggy tracker, because has no tracker at DC all. mail tracker or ticker? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.44.2 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 12:44:53) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
On Saturday, April 30, 2011, 1:42:06 PM, Mark Partous wrote: mail tracker or ticker? ticker -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hello Dwight, Saturday, April 30, 2011, 9:10:39 PM, you wrote: mail tracker or ticker? DC ticker I already thought it was a feature of TB! I did not know about. :-) I only use it for a few folders containing mail from professional partners. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.44.2 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 14:35:7) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.0.10 MSI (release?)
We would like to update the release MSI files on the website, could you please test the following files: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-0-10.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-0-10.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_5-0-10.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_5-0-10.msi What's new in The Bat! 5.0.10 (comparing to 5.0.8)? [-] When browsing messages, retrieve only message text and Except messages smaller than options must be enabled by default [-] (#0008470) Deleting IMAP folder cache causes wrong Total messages account counter [-] Incorrect port was displayed for IMAP accounts on Account Info panel [-] Message List: Sorting Subject/From/To groups by latest time was not functional [-] (#0008371) Inline graphics disappear when opening multiple messages [-] When both options to automatically mark message as read were switched off, messages still were marked as read [-] (#0007784) message about old format in new versions [-] Handling reply/forward commands for inline viewers of messages wasn't working properly [-] Replied filters wasn't executed automatically [-] (#0008575) 5.0.8 AVs while switching between pictures tabs in message view [-] (#0008606) Deletion attachments was not refreshing messages in the Finder's message list [-] (#0007397) HTML QT included in TEXT Folder template produces HTML code in Microed [-] IMAP download preferences specified in account settings wasn't used by default in all folders [-] (#0008609) the TO field was not focused when a message was forwarded in non-MIME format [-] (#0008611) Thread operations were ignoring date grouping [-] (#0008621) Empty folders function was broken in v5 [-] (#0008602) IMAP : Option When inactive, disconnect after does not work [-] Rethreading function was working wrong when the dragged message was droppend onto itself causing hiding of the message from the list [-] (#0008614) Delete button was working as delete and follow next when message list was switched off in the separate message list viewer [-] (#0008628) message export/save as function was using non-modal file save dialogue causing problems on some systems [-] (#0008583) Option Play sound when new mail arrives doesn't work [+] (#0007284) Print function is now functional in the image viewer [-] The last used Address Book was not recalled after restart [-] (#0008550) Connection Centre : Log window is empty for POP and SMTP tasks [*] When encrypting a message, The Bat! will no loger use SubjectKeyIdentifier for compatibility with other programs which do not support this structure. [*] In S/MIME signatures, the attribute ESSCertIDv2 is now added. [-] (#0008582) EML/MSG/VCF association erro under WinXP when saving Preferences dialog [-] (#0008630) Reading Confirmations could not be generated [-] (#0008620) v5.0.8 fails to print large messages to the end [-] AV when switching to Subscribed only tab in IMAP folder manager [-] (#0008608) Folder Information Panels Bug! [-] (#0008626) Links in HTML mail get mangled [-] (#0008625) Drag and drop message in same folder [-] (#0008629) All messages after review of properties of a folder are lost - Russian version (5.0.8(.1)) [-] (#0008576) Replies to messages from .EML files were empty [-] (#0008650) Sending a file from Windows Explorer was not working [-] (#0008204) Image smileys were not working when The Bat! was started from a desktop shortcut with no Start in folder defined [-] (#0008280) IMAP : Option Mark deleted messages as read in IMAP account properties is not applied [-] (#0008587) When clicking Minimize, Maximize, Close Button in v5.0.8, the program hangs a while, and the cursor can't be moved. -- Best regards, Maxim mailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Access violation when adding contact from Certificate Viewer to AddressBook
Hello, when I open certificate of signed message and hit Add to Address Book, folowing AV appears: --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 007A8A2C in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address . --- OK --- reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8658 Date: 30 Apr 2011 22:14:58 OS: Windows 7 Service Pack 1 build 7601 PhysMemFreeTotal: 939/2047 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1817/2047 MB Address: 007A8A2C ClassName: EAccessViolation Message: Access violation at address 007A8A2C in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address IsOSException: 1 Modules: 0040 20110430191926 K:\The Bat!\thebat.exe Stack: 007A8A2C [0040] 005A7C9C [0040] 007A1DA5 [0040] 00A3EC74 [0040] 00A499DC [0040] 00403097 [0040] 004689E7 [0040] 00A4949B [0040] 00B172F8 [0040] 0057C9EC [0040] 005510DD [0040] 00552D01 [0040] 00404DE8 [0040] 0057CE67 [0040] 0057C4E7 [0040] 005801DB [0040] 00580776 [0040] 0057FD48 [0040] 00475398 [0040] 00562DA9 [0040] 00562DE2 [0040] 0055F06D [0040] 00B15D2F [0040] 0090EBD4 [0040] 0090F088 [0040] 0057CA09 [0040] 00C4B66E [0040] 0057CB6C [0040] 0057C4E7 [0040] 00580228 [0040] 00580776 [0040] 0057FD48 [0040] 00475398 [0040] 00577302 [0040] 00562DA9 [0040] 00562DE2 [0040] 0055F06D [0040] 0090E82A [0040] 00910F8C [0040] 00A04DF6 [0040] 00A04D87 [0040] 0057C9EC [0040] 004DFF48 [0040] 004DFF31 [0040] 0057CDF0 [0040] 0057CE72 [0040] 0057C4E7 [0040] 0057C174 [0040] 00580269 [0040] 00580630 [0040] 0057FD48 [0040] 00475398 [0040] 00562DA9 [0040] 00562DE2 [0040] 0056303A [0040] 00C9D203 [0040] 00CA28BA [0040] 00CA9284 [0040] -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.10 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.4 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.4 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI (release?)
Hello all, Saturday, April 30, 2011, Maxim Masiutin wrote: We would like to update the release MSI files on the website, could you please test the following files: - what about TMailMessage released before its use. error, is it fixed? - reply/Forward icons are not added to original messages, when are replies/forwards created - broken warning about opened Reply window for same recipient in 5.0.9.6 - please remove unannounced and untranslatable QR-Code Generator from this bugfix release - still password protected account does not show message totals -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.10 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.4 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI (release?)
Hello Marek, Saturday, April 30, 2011, 3:26:51 PM, you wrote: We would like to update the release MSI files on the website, could you please test the following files: - what about TMailMessage released before its use. error, is it fixed? - reply/Forward icons are not added to original messages, when are replies/forwards created - broken warning about opened Reply window for same recipient in 5.0.9.6 - please remove unannounced and untranslatable QR-Code Generator from this bugfix release - still password protected account does not show message totals Filters not working Viewmodes not working -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI (release?)
We would like to update the release MSI files on the website, could you please test the following files: What's new in The Bat! 5.0.10 (comparing to 5.0.8)? [-] (#0008204) Image smileys were not working when The Bat! was started from a desktop shortcut with no Start in folder defined The icons are not working even when the program is started from the EXE file. Also, my shortcut has the start in folder information -- Rick Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss v5.0.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI (release?)
Hello Marek, Could you please test wether 5.0.10 have new bugs comparing to 5.0.8? If no, we will release it and will be working on the bugs that you have mentioned. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI (release?)
Hello Maxim, Saturday, April 30, 2011, 10:40:22 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): What's new in The Bat! 5.0.10 (comparing to 5.0.8)? [-] (#0008611) Thread operations were ignoring date grouping A thread is entirely deleted if the topmost message is highlighted and the Delete key is pressed. This should only be allowed if Control-Shift-Delete is pressed. -- Kind regards, Costas Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI (release?)
Hello Maxim, Sunday, May 1, 2011, 3:40:22 AM, you wrote: We would like to update the release MSI files on the website, could you please test the following files: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-0-10.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-0-10.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_5-0-10.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_5-0-10.msi What's new in The Bat! 5.0.10 (comparing to 5.0.8)? snip Would you please look into this bug? It prevents I localizing the new hints system... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8178 TIA! -- Best regards, Miles Changmailto:drift...@gmx.com Translator of Chinese The Bat! AntispamSniper Using The Bat! v5.0.10 with AntispamSniper v3.2.6.4 MyMacros 1.11a on Windows XP (v5.1.2600, Service Pack 3) Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Chinese language filtering bug
Hello RS, Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:53:32 PM, you wrote: There are couple of bugs connected with Chinese characters. Sample Subject and Message Body below (had to remove sender and topic): Subject: 已读: Re:5YY Body: 这是邮件收条，收件人: x...@x.net 原邮件主题: Re:5Y 此收条表明收件人的电脑上曾显示过此邮件，显示时间: 2011-04-29 15:50:09 After Chinese expression is placed for filtering (ex: 已读: in a syntax: Subject contains 已读:) it's gone after pressing OK and reopening Filter window there is an expression: '??: ' instead of 已读: In that way I need to move all Chinese reading confirmations manually... :( I've tried to create a filter with Chinese characters and found it shown no question marks(cf attached screenshot). Are you working on Non-Chinese system? -- Best regards, Miles Changmailto:drift...@gmx.com Translator of Chinese The Bat! AntispamSniper Using The Bat! v5.0.10 with AntispamSniper v3.2.6.4 MyMacros 1.11a on Windows XP (v5.1.2600, Service Pack 3)attachment: filter_with_Chinese_chars.gif Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
