Re: IMAP fixes
Gary, This has never happened to me, ever, or anyone on the Mulberry lists that I have maintained for them previously. But, as you well know, the facts that I am not seeing the TB problems you are having with IMAP, and that RIT can't duplicate them, doesn't mean that you are not having them. G And Mulberry's editing new email features are really unacceptable. It is easy enough to use, just type, and has a much better spell checker. If I need advanced editing features, I use Vim or emacs (in windows or Unix) as my editor with Mulberry. Another problem you are obviously not seeing. G Thunderbird has lots of glitz and glamor and name recognition, but it G is several years behind the rest in features. The plug ins or add-ons are actually not behind in features, but ahead, e.g. full calendar and IMAP sync-ing on my mail servers, even push technology, also PGP use, like in TB!, etc. Even eliminating my above remarks, getting back to the crux, it's IMAP functionality is far superior, and faster, even with those people that keep 1000s of emails in one folder (not really recommended in IMAP). It just works, never had any problems. What one has to decide is if they are willing to give up some features in TB! for a client that handles IMAP well. Like I said, TB has important feature advantages. Mailticker, customizable message index column headings, customizable message header display, lots more. You seem to forget that last year, when moving to v3, when similar complaints arose, there was an outcry from the IMAP users that progress was slow, incomplete, and why should they pay and upgrade to v3 when IMAP was introduced in v2. Yes, I do remember that TB IMAP was unusable for me a few years ago. I think Rit has put significant effort into Imap. I thank them for that. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.98.11 on Windows XP Sp2. Connecting to the Fastmail server which uses Cyrus IMAP server software. Current beta is 3.98.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: When to expect first betas of v4 ?
vitalie, Looks about right. George M. Menegakis wrote: We approaching v4 (current version is 3.99.7). So assume that v4 is nearby. So the question is, when the first betas are expected? And any tease about new expected features? good point. and before starting to brainstorm new features, please have a look at this: http://www.forum-clio.com/index.php/topic,449.0.PHOTOS_Clio_unique_au_monde_com_de_Serge_33.html -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.99.07 on Windows XP Sp2. Connecting to the Fastmail server which uses Cyrus IMAP server software. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: When to expect first betas of v4 ?
vitalie, What sells software and how is that different from what long term users want? fitness for a particular purpose. as simple as that. And as complex. Which purpose will give a competitive edge? Is it Outlook's feature set that keeps it on top? Will adding calendars and notepads tempt Outlook users to try something different? Or aren't the novel good ideas (like the mail ticker) more likely to attract the wandering eye? I think the real problem Rit faces is, how to get those eyes to start wandering in the first place. and not necessarily different from what long-term users want. Features attract new users. Long term users have accepted what features there are. Now they are more concerned with reliability. New users don't have enough information to have a sense of reliability yet. Or of how long problems tend to go unfixed. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.99.07 on Windows XP Sp2. Connecting to the Fastmail server which uses Cyrus IMAP server software. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
And so the negative, unhelpful comments continue. The positive, helpful approach has been tried numerous times. See for example MaXxX's contributions in the archives. All positive, helpful attempts proved to be in vain. If you want to keep up hope, that's fine. But please don't hold your breath. Arjan The good news is that TB makes it easy to consign voices like this to the bit bucket. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2.10 is Compatible for Windows 7
Scott, Because the problem is not reproducible. Hello, Why would this not be fixed? I want to be able to see when I have new mail! It works fine in Vista. It need to be fixed! Regards -- Scott Sims Phone: 08 71206057 Mobile: 0403 969 003 Email: sc...@aceblue.com Current beta is 4.2.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2.10 is Compatible for Windows 7
Maxim, Hello Vilius, Thursday, August 20, 2009, 15:36:13, you wrote: This won't get fixed because Win7 taskbar doesn't support moving icons. It supports, in my case. Mine too. Several things about Win7. Get the RC, if you don't have it. Apply the video driver for your video card, if you can find one. Then, Scott, notice that The Bat icon on your tool bar is combined. There are really three icons there, one for the main program, one for your edit window. In my case, the third window will be the connection center. If you want to see the animated icon, right click on the taskbar and choose properties. In the middle of the page, you see Task Bar Buttons: Always combine, hide labels. Choose Never combine. That should do it. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2.10 is Compatible for Windows 7
Maxim, Several things about Win7. Get the RC, Why should we get an RC? MSDN subscribers can get the final release of Windows 7, where The Bat! has animated icon in the task bar, at least on my computer. That is right, but many of us don't have MSDN subscriptions, even if we are programmers. I simply can't justify the expense. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2.10 is Compatible for Windows 7
Maxim, Hello Gleason, Thursday, August 20, 2009, 23:19:16, you wrote: That is right, but many of us don't have MSDN subscriptions, even if we are programmers. I simply can't justify the expense. How did you get the RC then? It has been available for general download until earlier today from MS. You can still get it here http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Windows-7-Download-118183.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2.10 is Compatible for Windows 7
Maxim, Hello Gleason, Thursday, August 20, 2009, 23:19:16, you wrote: Several things about Win7. Get the RC, Don't take it as offensive, but if somebody got an RC from somewhere, he can now also get the final release (RTM) from there. MS says I have until 1 June next year to buy a license. With a tiny bit of luck RTM can be applied as an upgrade. In any case, I think RC is a reasonable alternative to the price of MSDN. What I really would like to see is a 32 bit Server 2008 RC2. Like NT in 1998, it is probably the best MS has to offer right now. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2.10 is Compatible for Windows 7
Maxim, Hello Gleason, Thursday, August 20, 2009, 0:20:08, you wrote: In any case, I think RC is a reasonable alternative to the price of MSDN. There is a program Microsoft ISV Empower which is an affordable alternative for developers, and includes MSDN subscription. One step down from stratospheric. What I really would like to see is a 32 bit Server 2008 RC2. Like NT in 1998, it is probably the best MS has to offer right now. Do you speak about Windows Server 2008 R2? Why do you need a 32-bit version of it? As long as you have 2GB RAM or more, it should work properly. RC2 is 64 bit only. If you need more RAM, it is now not very expensive as it used to be 10 or 15 years ago. BTW, Windows 2008 Server is not memory-thirsty. We are running several 2008 Servers under 512 MB RAM. But this discussion is drifting towards offtopic, sorry ;-) Thanks for the offtopic discussion. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Associations
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, Did anybody try to run thebat.exe (without previously installing the MSI files) under Vista or Windows 7, to let The Bat! configure registry associations under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT and HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE by using UAC elevation? I have turned off UAC, have installed using msi. Am unable to set TB as the default mailer in preferences. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Associations
Maxim, Hello Gleason, Friday, August 21, 2009, 6:00:53, you wrote: I have turned off UAC, have installed using msi. Am unable to set TB as the default mailer in preferences. What kind of error message do you have? Some of the extensions/protocols could not be associated. It is possible you do not have access rights to do that or some software prevents you from that. It was not possible to associate with System's Default Mail Client -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Associations
Maxim, Hello Gleason, Saturday, August 22, 2009, 16:42:02, you wrote: Some of the extensions/protocols could not be associated. It is possible you do not have access rights to do that or some software prevents you from that. It was not possible to associate with System's Default Mail Client If you configure preferences the way as shown in the attachment, it may gave this message, but when you restart The Bat!, it should configure the associations propery during the startup. That worked. Thanks. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.10.6
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.10.6 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42106.rar What's new in 4.2.10.6 since 4.2.10.5: [-] Further fixed and EHLO argument (BETA ISSUE) [-] Further improvements on file associations (beta issue) [*] More logging when a filtering error occurs. [-] (#0007696): problems reading certain html messages with latest betas Running here. Current beta is 4.2.10.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat!
Maxim, Hello Marek, Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 23:57:53, you wrote: crashes on start during splash screen heres: Thank you, I have fixed it and reuploaded under the same URL, however, it should now tell ALPHA3. Yes, it starts ok now. Spell checking marks everything as misspelled though. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.10.16
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.10.16 (ALPHA4) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb421016.rar What's new in 4.2.10.16 since 4.2.10.15: [-] Spell checking didn't work in previous alpha (BETA ISSUE) Fixed until you hit the space bar. After that everything is marked as misspelled as before. Current beta is 4.2.10.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.10.16
Dcorrin, On Thursday, October 15, 2009, 12:42:03 PM, Rick wrote: I'm not getting that here - can't confirm Sorry spell check fine here as well. My fault. It was necessary to select a language. Spell check working here. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.12.3
max2, Hello Gleason, Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 10:05:05 PM, you wrote: Good. The error says the file is in use, so access is denied for renaming. Have tried clearing the cache. Also deleted the file in question. TB recreates the file and then won't allow it to ge renamed. Please delete all account files and create it again. It now creates IMAP accounts properly. But if you had a bad account created by 4.2.12.2, it won't work unless you delete all the files. In my case, I had an email folder on the server that TB was not subscribed to. I turned on subscription to that folder, and have been having this problem with that folder since. I deleted all tbb/tbn files in the IMAP account folder in the Mail directory. TB recreated them all, but still gives the same error message for the same tbb file. None of the other tbb files generate this error. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.12.3
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, We have updated the MSI files with an exe 4.2.12.3, new language files and German ServerInfo files. If you have installed 4-2-12.msi with 4.2.12.2 already, please uninstall it first, otherwise it will tell you that this version is already installed. www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2-12.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-2-12.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2-12.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-2-12.msi What's new since 4.2.12.2: [*] The temp files are deleted after displaying the splash screen that may show the splash screen faster when there are lots of temp files to delete [-] (#0007761) HTML editor doesn't define background colour in message source, when is White colour selected [*] If a message index file cannot be created due to a renaming error, detailed information is given to the user. Good. The error says the file is in use, so access is denied for renaming. Have tried clearing the cache. Also deleted the file in question. TB recreates the file and then won't allow it to ge renamed. [-] It was not possible to create new IMAP accounts -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.13.2
Michal, Warsaw/PL, Wednesday, November 18, 2009 Hello Marek, On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, at 23:46:07 (which was 23:46 where I live) in mid:1523917744.20091117234...@ipex.cz you wrote: please check file thebat_exceptions.log and enter last exception here instead of such screenshot, this will be more helpful for developers. Confirmed. The lower part of the Connection Center is a blank form (the list container you usually see is missing). TB will not retrieve message content. When you try to do anything with IMAP account nothing happens. After exiting from TB! the exception is: Date: 18 Nov 2009 00:12:23 OS: Windows XP Dodatek Service Pack 3 build 2600 PhysMemFreeTotal: 802/2045 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1930/2047 MB Address: 00C9E08A ClassName: EImapConnectionLost Message: IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20091117172546 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe Stack: 00C9E08A [0040] 00C9E085 [0040] 00CA0397 [0040] 0046BA58 [0040] 00405ADC [0040] -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
Arjan, On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:57:20 -0500, Vili wrote: I think, TB reached a critical step. It has reached that step 5 (or more) years ago. Nowadays it surely looks like the only people who are still defending The Beta! are the alpha-testers who get their upgrades for free. Depends on where you look. Arjan -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.13.5
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.13.5 ALPHA is available (thanks to Marek Mikus) at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42135.rar What's new in 4.2.13.5 since 4.2.13.4: [+] New macros: %SoftwareVersion (same as %TheBatVersion) and %SoftwareSerialNumber (same as %TheBatSerialNumber) [-] (#0007782) Cancel-Button in dialogue Algorithm selection not working correctly [-] MAPI library could give an AV on Exchange accounts when no MS Outlook was installed [+] A new action in the filters to export an S/MIME signature, or a signing certificate, or information about certificate, to a file [-] (#758) Error message is not displayed when TB! cannot delete the message because of lack of free disk space. [-] There were an old bug of reading thebat.lng, which might in some cases cause slowness in reading thebat.lng file, if it was signed by an Authenticode signature [-] (#0007511) HTML display problem [-] (#0007807) Wrong images positioning in HTML letter Does not display new IMAP messages unless I press Ctrl-R. After display, the program goes into endless loop (hourglass). AV when I close the program. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.13.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.14.2
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.14.2 BETA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42142.rar What's new in 4.2.14.2 since 4.2.13.8 released on 19-Dec-2009? [-] (#0007731) Sorting possibilities in the Address Picker dialogue were not the same as in the Address Book [-] (#0007806) Double inherited params for float boxes [-] (#0007696) same HTMLs dissappears after a second [-] (#0007833) Set user charset for HTML messages [-] Lost images from quick templates [-] The Use S/MIME and Use OpenPGP options were not enabled in the editor during a reply [-] The option to display MenuNavigator button on the window title bar is now renamed and also affects the button on the menu bar Running well here. Current beta is 4.2.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.19
mse, Hello Maxim, What's new in 4.2.19 since 4.2.18: [*] Improved speed of handling folder names. This may be noticeable on very slow computers with very large folder trees, otherwise the effect is negligible. I just tested and I didn't experience a noticeable improvement in speed. But since this version all my virtual folders names appear with double brackets. Can anyone confirm that? Yes, double brackets. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.19.5
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.19.5 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42195.rar What's new in 4.2.19.5 since 4.2.19.4: [-] The certificate selection window did save it's coordinates to a wrong location in Registry [+] Do nothing option for the Watch files scheduler's action to control execution of other actions [-] Certificate Search Results form did write its registry values to the new location [-] (Beta) Attachments could be opened twice [-] (#0007844) Font family not set in HTML mail Running here, except that mail retrieval is not running smoothly. Folder check on startup does not complete. Also manual mail check. But with a little jiggling, I can get mail. Current beta is 4.2.19.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.19.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.19.5
Maxim, Running here, except that mail retrieval is not running smoothly. Folder check on startup does not complete. Also manual mail check. But with a little jiggling, I can get mail. That's very strange, we didn't change anything related to mail checking. Do you speak about POP3 or about IMAP? Caused by Windows instability I'm thinking now. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.19.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. )
Thomas, That's your privilege. I can't afford it, I have to reply in HTML to business HTML messages, especially those containing tables and/or pictures. TB! is far behind current expected behaviour of email clients when replying to HTML emails. For me it is the only usable one from the list: Becky, Thunderbird, Postbox, Seamonkey, Pegasus, Chaos Intellect, and lots of others. The blue bar on the left is part of the standard. It could be narrower, I do make it that way, myself, when replying. The essential thing in html replies is that, if you put the cursor at the end of a line in the quoted area and press Enter, the editor should split the quote into two sections with the new text I enter between the two areas, and not quoted. It is true that the Mozz family does this, but the blue quote llines don't show in messages received outside the Mozz and MS families. Not acceptable. My complaint with TB is that it doesn't do well with complex html formatting in display or reply. In this regard, Becky and Pegaus have the advantage of at least getting the formatting right even if you can't insert text where you want it in replies. Pegasus even does this without relying on MS components. Bravo. Pegasus replies, though, do loose embeded graphics in sent replies, even though they show in the message editor. Booo. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML editor is ridiculous (was: De rust keert terug in januarie.. )
Thomas, G For me it is the only usable one from the list: Becky, Thunderbird, G Postbox, Seamonkey, Pegasus, Chaos Intellect, and lots of others. Interesting. G The blue bar on the left is part of the standard. It could be G narrower, I do make it that way, myself, when replying. Can you point me to that standard? Is it an RFC? I don't receive replies from other clients that use the blue bar, but then, most of my communication partners use either Outlook or TheBat!. Both of those will do it as will all of the above, except when replying in text mode. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.24.6
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.24.6 Beta is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42246.rar What's new in 4.2.24.6 since 4.2.25: [-] Fixed stack overflow crash related to tbuser.def (fix by Robo) Running well here. Current beta is 4.2.24.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.24.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.33.1
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.33.1 Beta is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42331.rar What's new in 4.2.33.1 since 4.2.25.1: [+] Added a new registry key DisplayCommandLine (DWORD). Set it to 1 to let The Bat! display the command line on startup. This may be useful when you are having difficulties in using The Bat! command-line parameters. [-] The action to execute an external program from The Bat! task scheduler didn't work Running well here. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.33.3
Mark, Hello Maxim, Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:21:57 AM, you wrote: MM [-] (#0007893) Commandline parameter /REG:text stopped working in 4.2.33.1 (BETA ISSUE) Went back to 4.2.33.1 because I had a problem with neverending connections fetching pictures in HTML-messages (while the pictures actually were downloaded and visible in the message already). Confirmed. I don't know if that was what caused the computer to hang... Not confirmed. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.33.7
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.33.7 Beta is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42337.rar What's new in 4.2.33.7 since 4.2.33.5: [*] Completely rewritten HTML display code to address issues related to utf-8. Although this version is taged beta, it may really be pre-alpha when it comes to HTML display. We need your feedback. Thank you in advance! No noticeable difference in rendering so far. Messages like the attached still don't display right. The issue with stuck image retrieval that I saw at first in .3 has not appeared again. -- GleasonTitle: Market Opener - The Globe and Mail Business Ticker Thursday February 04, 2010 Toyota probes all hybrid brakes amid Prius troubles Auto maker says antilock brake system was corrected on gas-electric hybrid cars sold since late January; still investigating how to inform people who had bought them earlier Full Story Canaccord in talks to buy Genuity Merger would form brokerage with diversified strengths in financing and MA Full Story BCE revenue climbs to $3.98-billion Canada's largest telecommunications company sees strong growth in wireless and land-line units Full Story Domtar posts profit in fourth quarter Earnings of $124-million compared with a loss of $676-million a year earlier Full Story BoE freezes radical monetary policy Bank of England announces no increase to unprecedented £200-billion asset-buying program; holds rates steady at 0.5% Full Story Dubai discovers new oil field Exploration to determine reserves and potential to start shortly Full Story Energy giants battle over costs of oil sands pipeline Suncor and Imperial Oil launch legal effort in the U.S. against Enbridge over new pipeline that they say is not needed and will increase tolls Full Story CRTC may require Internet providers to improve rural access Regulator to hold a policy hearing in October to examine whether carriers must service poorly served rural regions Full Story Gillespie to unveil Fairmont Pacific Rim Hotel-condo tower latest project for developer who is reshaping Vancouver's skyline and building towers that will define the city Full Story China rejects U.S. pressure over yuan The exchange rate of the renminbi is not the major reason for the Chinese-U.S. trade deficit,' foreign ministry says Full Story Subscribe to more newsletters | Privacy Policy | Terms & Conditions | Disclaimer | Contact Us Copyright 2010 CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved. globeandmail.com and The Globe and Mail are divisions of CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc., 444 Front St. W., Toronto, ON Canada M5V 2S9 Phillip Crawley, Publisher Current beta is 4.2.33.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection centre stays open trying to contact sns3.rsys3.net
Costas, Hello Thomas, Monday, February 15, 2010, 3:45:56 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): Seems to be a beta bug, though. I didn't have the problem with the release version. I confirm having a similar problem with an email that I received from Paypal. I mentioned this a few days ago in TBBETA. Paypal, yes. I am seeing this today in a notice of payment received. Notice the variation on the ip address in the url. Three dotted numbers and then .net. -- Gleasonattachment: paypal.jpg Current beta is 4.2.35.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection centre stays open trying to contact sns3.rsys3.net
Thomas, Hello Gleason, On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:28:14 -0500 GMT (16/Feb/10, 2:28 AM +0700 GMT), Gleason wrote: Seems to be a beta bug, though. I didn't have the problem with the release version. I confirm having a similar problem with an email that I received from Paypal. I mentioned this a few days ago in TBBETA. G Paypal, yes. I am seeing this today in a notice of payment received. G Notice the variation on the ip address in the url. Three dotted G numbers and then .net. Only one minute? I saw over 2 hours yesterday. ;-) Thanks for confirming. Is this URL blocked in your URL Download Manager? Yes, The attached graphic is of the download manager. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.35.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: When are we going to get a fix for the never ending attempts to download?
Maxim, Hello Thomas, Saturday, March 27, 2010, 13:54:32, you wrote: When do you reckon the beta with this fix will be available for download? Today I have taken the source code from 09-Feb-2010 and only included the fix related to https image download, and released this version as 4.2.33.8, please check this. Checking a payment received message from paypal, an https link does appear in the CC and remain for a couple of seconds. The status changes to error and the link disappears. It looks like TB is not able to download the information, which does not appear to be a graphic, but it is able to release the attempt. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.33.9 MSIs
Maxim, Hello Ian, Tuesday, April 06, 2010, 15:26:48, you wrote: When you run the installer, it tells you that you are installing 4.2.33, only after it has done its damage, you discover that it has actually installed 4.2.35.4 ALPHA. Sorry, I was my fault. Please download the correct files again from the same URL(s): http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-2-33.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-2-33.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2-33.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2-33.msi Running here. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is the IMAP rewrite months overdue?
Rick wrote: ... or did I miss something being a recent joiner. They are rewriting the IMAP. That is what everyone is waiting for. A Promethean task we can only imagine. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New versions of The Bat!
Ian, G'day Dierk, On Monday, June 14, 2010, at 5:13:41 PM, you (Dierk Haasis) wrote: DH Actually RITLabs, with all shortcomings, already delivers quite well, DH though mainly under the guise of 'beta'. Actually, the only issue for me is not that The Bat! is moving to a subscriptionmodel, but that the language used cloaks it in something else. The issue with subscription software is not that you pay an annual subscription to use it, but that your data becomes locked to a particular piece of software. Now if there was a standard format for the storage and retrieval of e-mail messages, then no one would be too fussed as they could use software A or software B. IMAP. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New versions of The Bat!
Stephane Bouvard wrote: Hi Maxim, Le dimanche 13 juin 2010 à 18:45:36, vous écriviez : The registration system will be changed. We didn’t yet completely figured out the final changes to the registration system, but the preliminary changes are the following: registration will allow using The Bat! for a particular period of time. It will not be bound to version numbers as before. During this time period, the user will be able to update to newer versions of The Bat! and receive technical support. Upon the expiration of the term, no updates to newer versions will be possible unless the user prolongs the period by paying the fee. Not a bad thing for me, *but* fix of existing bugs/vulnerabilities must *always* be free, at least during a normal product life time... for microsoft products it's near of 10 years (Microsoft provided critical updates for Office 2k up to june 2009, and windows 2k to june 2010... products availables since 1999)... It will not be so easy to allow this with a registration period not bound with the version number... if you find in 2018 a critical vulnerabilities existing since version 5.0, how will you allow customers with expired registration since 2012 to fix it without paying anything ? (just an example) Do not forget : security vulnerabilities are covered by the legal warranty of any product as a latent defect, it's not limited by time... There probably isn't much point in us discussing what Rit should do. They will decide and let us know. MS is the only software provider I know of that provides fixes for past versions of anything. The overhead gets overwhelming if you don't have very deep pockets. Legal warranties not withstanding. If a software company can even make the current version fixed and better than previous, it is enough for me. A lot of them don't seem to be able. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New versions of The Bat!
Gleason wrote: Stephane Bouvard wrote: Hi Maxim, Le dimanche 13 juin 2010 à 18:45:36, vous écriviez : The registration system will be changed. We didn’t yet completely figured out the final changes to the registration system, but the preliminary changes are the following: registration will allow using The Bat! for a particular period of time. It will not be bound to version numbers as before. During this time period, the user will be able to update to newer versions of The Bat! and receive technical support. Upon the expiration of the term, no updates to newer versions will be possible unless the user prolongs the period by paying the fee. Not a bad thing for me, *but* fix of existing bugs/vulnerabilities must *always* be free, at least during a normal product life time... for microsoft products it's near of 10 years (Microsoft provided critical updates for Office 2k up to june 2009, and windows 2k to june 2010... products availables since 1999)... It will not be so easy to allow this with a registration period not bound with the version number... if you find in 2018 a critical vulnerabilities existing since version 5.0, how will you allow customers with expired registration since 2012 to fix it without paying anything ? (just an example) Do not forget : security vulnerabilities are covered by the legal warranty of any product as a latent defect, it's not limited by time... There probably isn't much point in us discussing what Rit should do. They will decide and let us know. MS is the only software provider I know of that provides fixes for past versions of anything. The overhead gets overwhelming if you don't have very deep pockets. Legal warranties not withstanding. If a software company can even make the current version fixed and better than previous, it is enough for me. A lot of them don't seem to be able. So who's on my list of the unable? Here's three for starters, all of which I have paid for: Pocomail Pegasus Chaos Intellect Rit can stand tall when it compares itself to those. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Maxim - bugs fixed
Jens Franik wrote: Am 21.08.2010 09:44, schrieb Maxim Masiutin: Hello Tbbeta Is there already any time shedule, Maxim? I want to be ready for the translation, not getting into troubles if this happens suddenly (short bevore some weekend). Thank you for your Reply, even by PM. Better to not have a published timeline. That way your critics can't fault you when you don't meet it. And you can't be rushed into release before you are prepared to meet the harsh criticisms of those same critics. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Maxim - bugs fixed
Jens Franik wrote: Am 18.09.2010 03:25, schrieb Gleason: Better to not have a published timeline. That way your critics can't fault you when you don't meet it. And you can't be rushed into release before you are prepared to meet the harsh criticisms of those same critics. Well, i have been bread to set myself a target and to try to reach it. And also to be responsible for what i say, even if i fail to take it... Right, I am sure Maxim sets targets for himself. And the better part of responsibility can be not saying. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Maxim - bugs fixed
Maxim, Hello Jens, Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:15:15 PM, you wrote: Thank you, but did you read over my question about a rude timeline? What do you mean by a rude timeline? We will release the version when it will be ready The problems of two people communicating through English when it is the first language of neither. Rude can sort of mean rough, approximate. But that is a rare usage. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Maxim - bugs fixed
Rick wrote: Hello Jens, Friday, September 17, 2010, 11:15:15 PM, you wrote: Thank you, but did you read over my question about a rude timeline? What do you mean by a rude timeline? We will release the version when it will be ready. How long do you think that it might be in Alpha testing. If I remember correctly at one point you though it would be in alpha for about 2 months - that was about a month ago. See what I mean? How are you progressing with the alpha? -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
F.P., Hi, wrong time, wrong place. You cat get a better IMAP Stack than Mulbery. But Imap was not so much used. You cant sell a produkt and stay alive if there is no customer. Try the Claws Clienet on windows, thats also great IMAP supportim not sure that TB will get this quality in the next years. Imap should be well done. But that isn't enough in itself. Claws has poor support for html. It might be a plugin would do better. Not worth it to me. I don't want to jump through that hoop. Mozilla's Imap has been pretty good for quite a while, but their offerings are still starved for features. Postbox has resolved that somewhat. For potential Imap plus strong feature set with current ongoing development, TB still has no peer. But it is true that good Imap takes years to develop, and some have given up, like Eudora for instance. Mulberry too went away because they couldn't generate enough income with what they had to support further development. That really is the crunch. It is true that Mulberry and Eudora are trying to get something done in the alternative universe. Results so far have been discouraging. I was hoping for a good TB Christmas release this year. But maybe not. Regards 2010/9/22 Paul Van Noord pau...@for-him.net mailto:pau...@for-him.net 9/22/2010 4:35 PM Hi F.P., On 9/22/2010 F.P. wrote: FP Because of the unstable older 4.X versions im switching to thunderbird. Great! FP Hope the users are strong enough and your company will not go the way FP mulbery is going. Mulberry is so good that it can't survive? - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.36.4 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7600 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
Maxim, Hello Gleason, Thursday, September 23, 2010, 6:21:33 PM, you wrote: Claws has poor support for html. [...] Mozilla's Imap has been pretty good for quite a while, but their offerings are still starved for features. [...] Postbox has resolved that somewhat. If I could only put Nikanor Ivanovich's lips with Ivan Kuzmich's nose, and mix in a bit of Baltazar Baltazarovich's free-and-easyness, and then add to this Ivan Pavlovich's fine figure... Source: http://books.google.md/books?id=zO3nIAAJlpg=PA29ots=w22dxU_fX0dq=lips%20with%20Ivan%20Kuzmich%27s%20nose%20and%20mix%20in%20a%20bit%20of%20Baltazarhl=enpg=PA29#v=onepageq=lips%20with%20Ivan%20Kuzmich%27s%20nose%20and%20mix%20in%20a%20bit%20of%20Baltazarf=false Sorry, could not resist. Life is so much simpler in societies where your parents choose your email client. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.99
-folders not reported [-] (#0006232) Duplicate messages and trouble purging [-] (#0004218) In remove duplicates action some messages are marked read [-] (#0007448) HTML editor + (deuche umlaut or greek)+ Hunspell [-] (#0008115) Address Book : Group counters are not refreshed when use F5 in contact list [-] (#0007899) HTML-Mails: Links defined via imagemaps don't work [-] (#0007423) Some macro does not working in HTML templates [-] (#0007901) Signature printed in larger font. [-] (#0007450) Times New Roman used when inserting a QT in HTML mode [-] (#0008032) Message list was not updated after attachment deletion [-] (#0008121) Incorrect usage of the From field contents when replying to a message with a different Reply-to address [-] Manual redirect was damaging original HTML documents as well as digital signatures [-] Cosmetic issues related to the Search Panel in various windows [-] Sorting Office: Automatic folder creation could create folders in a wrong place [-] Filtering by AGE with LESS THAN 1 DAY does not work [-] TheBat hangs on reply to megabyte message text [-] Could not determine free space for working drive - Access is denied [-] Wrong creation date for some messages [-] Negative view on gif file [-] Error PostMessage to NULL handle when starting TB and TB is already running in Login state [-] Range check error while accessing menu item ID from plugin [-] Range check error when handling plugin button click [-] Options | Preferences dialog had invalid size [-] Fixed an AV in submission forms editor [-] (#0001831) POP before SMTP ignores -ERR response. If POP before SMTP configured in account and some problems appeared with POP-mailbox, The Bat flood POP-server with auth-requests every second in endless loop. [-] Fixed bug 0007364 [-] Some error messages were displayed as empty messages [-] Message|Save As action was not working on IMAP IMAP-related changes from the above gouped as a separate list = [-] Nested IMAP folders weren't scanned [*] New IMAP queue to accommodate locks on WU IMAP server [+] IMAP now closes unnecessary connections and does not open the connections that it doesn't need [+] IMAP now uses the UNSELECT command, if supported by the server [-] The IMAP folder manager sometimes didn't update folders [+] Support for IMAP IDLE extension [*] IMAP-related improvements [+] The Inbox folder on IMAP now has priority over other folders when updating counters [-] (#0004100) Filter don't evaluate condition well if there are two in line, and the action was to copy or move a message from IMAP to POP3 account [-] (#0003961) Parked messages are deleted from server when emptying IMAP folder [-] The Bat! din't support UIDNEXT on IMAP. Now it updates folders faster and uses less connections. [*] On IMAP, untagged BYE during IDLE command wasn't considered a graceful connection termination. [-] Copy from one IMAP account to another dind't work unless the destination account was connected [-] IMAP might not sometimes exit from IDLE [+] (#0006216) NTLM authentication was added to IMAP [-] (#0006545) Cannot import messages into the IMAP folder [-] (#0006380) Duplicates deleted from IMAP-folders not reported [+] Message load progress on IMAP is shown by adding an overlay image over an image of the envelope in the message list. [+] Added a visual indicator for loading message lists of IMAP folders [*] IMAP message bases are now stored in a separate IMAP folders to prevent troubles when the user switches back and forth between versions 4 and 5 of The Bat! [+] It's now possible to search for RegExp and other The Bat!-specific criterias in IMAP folders and in offline-mode (in cached messages only) [-] Message|Save As action was not working on IMAP Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Best regards, Gleasonmailto:sombr...@mm.st Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.102
Hello Maxim, The Bat! 5.0.0.102 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb500102.rar What's new in 5.0.0.102 since 5.0.0.101: [-] (#0008155) 5.0.0.x Alpha. - TBUSER.EEF reset to default when starting TB! with OTFE [-] Fixed an IMAP AV on logon (BETA issue) [-] When protocol logging was enabled on IMAP, there were immediately the following error upon connection: 'EDosStreamError. Cannot open file ' [-] Fixed EOSError System Error. Code: 5. Access is denied exception in the log when the mouse was not available (BETA issue) [-] Finally fixed window positions on additional monitors (BETA issue) [-] (#0008153) 5.0.0.x alpha Export messages to text files creates empty files (BETA issue) [-] Fixed a rare AV in the message editor which could happen when closing the window (BETA issue) [*] Save messages to IMAP server-based outbox doesn't block input anymore (Beta issue) Running here. Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.104
Hello Maxim, Sunday, November 14, 2010, 8:32:42 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 5.0.0.104 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb500104.rar What's new in 5.0.0.104 since 5.0.0.103: [-] File errors in the download manager weren't properly handled (BETA issue) [-] (#0008162) Mark All Messages as read wasn't working on Virtual folders Running here. Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.0.0.115
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 12:18:27 AM, you wrote: The Bat! 5.0.0.115 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb500115.rar What's new in 5.0.0.115 since 5.0.0.114: [-] Message Finder's message list didn't have local menus (Beta issue) [*] The Folder|Browse messages is now made a toggle, so it is possible to view deleted messages together with undeleted [-] Purge routine was deleting parked messages (Beta issue) [*] Unicode message boxes [+] An account option to not use filters on IMAP in the IMAP fine-tune section Current beta is 5.0.0.115 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Running here. Still can't retrieve a new message when a connection to the IMAP server shows in the Connection Centre. If I wait for the connection to close, it will retrieve one more new message. -- Best regards, Gleasonmailto:sombr...@mm.st Current beta is 5.0.0.115 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.0.0.115
Hello Stefan, Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 4:26:47 AM, you wrote: Hello Gleason, G Running here. Still can't retrieve a new message when a connection to G the IMAP server shows in the Connection Centre. If I wait for the G connection to close, it will retrieve one more new message. Do you have any filters defined for that IMAP account? If so, please switch them off with the option mentioned for this Beta and see what happens. Turning off this option didn't make any difference. -- Best regards, Gleasonmailto:sombr...@mm.st Current beta is 5.0.0.115 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.0.0.115
Hello Stefan, Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 12:42:38 PM, you wrote: Hello Gleason, G Turning off this option didn't make any difference. So, you have filters for that IMAP account? Did you restart The Bat! after setting the option? Outgoing filter only. I did restart TB. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.115 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.120
Maxim, Running here. The Bat! 5.0.0.120 BETA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb500120.rar What's new in 5.0.0.120 since 5.0.0.119: [-] (#0008204) Smileys weren't working (Beta issue) [-] The Bat! now displays (in the About box) until what version the registration key is valid. Maybe you could provide a way for advance registration? Current beta is 5.0.0.119 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.119 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.134
Miroslav, Hi Bob, 1. When I select a folder in the folder list, all the messages in the message list for that folder turn alternating black and white. yes, very annoying. Please leave an option for the old look. Which would probably be None. He did say it wasn't optimized yet. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.134 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: closing TB beta 138
ralf mailto:ralph_s...@interia.pl Friday, February 11, 2011 2:39 AM Upon closing TB, very often I can see this: Exception ECriticalSectionsLeak in module thebat.exe at 000476FC. Resource leak: 1 instance(s) of TBatCriticalSection left Caller adresses listed below: 0012FEAC. Current beta is 5.0.0.138 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Confirmed. I see two addresses 0018FEAC and 0018EEC8. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.138 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.143
The Bat! 5.0.0.143 BETA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb500143.rar What's new in 5.0.0.143 since 5.0.0.142: [-] Leaks related to menus/toolbars (beta issue) [-] Memory leak on thread execution (beta issue) [-] (#0008383) Broken national chars in HTML messages [-] (#0008487) The Remove duplicates option in the Folder Maintenance Centre was ignored [-] Memory leaks related to toolbars/menus and cryptography (beta issue) [-] Possible source of AVs on exit due to post-exit IMAP folder processing (Beta issue) [-] Charset selection menu of the Message Editor's status bar was not working (Beta issue) [-] When the user changes screen DPI (switches from large fonts to normal font sizes and vice versa), The Bat! resets the sizes of saved windows. [-] Some fixes related to large fonts usage (screen DPI resolution) Still getting AV's on shutdown. Current beta is 5.0.0.142 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.143 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.153
Maxim, The Bat! 5.0.0.153 RC3 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb500153.rar What's new in 5.0.0.153 RC3 since RC1: [+] It's now possible to print from SmartBat [-] messages expunged from other client were displayed in IMAP folders (Beta issue) [-] (#0008475) IMAP : duplicating message in remote IMAP outbox when using postponed sending [-] IMAP folder manager: alphabetical sorting was used instead of user-defined (Beta issue) [-] IMAP folder manager: folder tree was collapsed when switching between All/Subscribed tabs (Beta issue) [-] (#0008524) When user create Forward and then Reply message, warning about duplicate Reply appears [-] Critical error sound on exit when exception was raised to indicate resource leak. [-] AVs could be caused by deletion of a message in the root of a threaded list and subsequent changes to other messages (Beta issue) [-] Negative counters in Virtual Folders issue (Beta issue) Fixed. [-] Fixed a bug of display of some background images of HTML messages, introduced in The Bat! 4.2.40-42 and earlier v5 betas (BETA ISSUE) AV's on exit are gone. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
Jernej, On Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 17:39:18, Douglas Hinds wrote: But I am also a Linux user and strongly suggest that RIT Labs make an effort to port The Bat! to this superior Operating System, As an advanced user of both Windows and Linux, I can only disagree with Linux being superior - while it has it place, and it does some things better than Windows, it's still far from being a good end-user experience on a desktop, both from UI and management points of view. Agreed. Linux is essentially a programmer's OS. Or a platform that IT guys can lock down so that servers will run indefinitely (almost). But from the average user's standpoint (who have very little understanding of what goes on in the bowels of an OS), Linux is a wild alien landscape. so I can use it with with my OpenOffice, Opera, Chrome, Firefox, Seamonkey, Dr. Web and Nero versions for Linux (and other Unix-like Operating Systems). OpenOffice.org, Opera, Chrome, Firefox and the Mozilla Suite were designed from ground up to be portable. I don't know what Dr. Web is, and the last time I looked at Nero, it was using an outdated GUI library on Linux. As I understand it, porting Delphi to Linux is also possible and Windows will continue to lose ground as more computer users become aware of the advantages that Open Code Community Based OS's have to offer. You are a Linux evangelist. And you probably wholeheartedly believe this. Nevertheless, the groundswell has been so long coming that I fear it got lost in the forest. And my sister who is an accountant simply refuses to use anything that doesn't come with a MS imprimatur. Nothing else can be trusted. So says she. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.0.4 RC/4 is available for beta testers
Maxim, Hello TBBETA, http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/thebat_pro_5-0-4-rc4.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/thebat_home_5-0-4-rc4.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/intpack_5-0-4-rc4.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/thebat_rus_5-0-4-rc4.msi Looks good here. [-] (#0008512) Connection Centre: Strings Transferred and User / Server not translated (BETA issue) [-] More fixes in HTML images [-] (#0008224) Some GIF files shoe only 1/4 of the graphic (BETA issue) [-] (#0008538) redirecting in IMAP filters doesn't work [-] When printing to a printer which was different from default printer, The Bat! could give an Access Violation error. This bug was introduced in version The Bat! 1.62r. [*] Remove thread start/finish debug messages from the ex_log.txt file (BETA issue) [-] (#0008521) Removing a contact from a group in the address book doesn't update address list [-] (#0008542) Manual re-threading didn't work (Beta issue) [-] Follow button doesn't work in Find certificates dialog for certificates stored in address book [-] Floating point division by zero exception in image viewer -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
Ethan, Hello Maxim, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:33:54 PM, you wrote: I have used Mac myself and have found out that it is an OS for the users who value simpicity over power, so such a powerful program like The Bat! simply doesn't match MacOS's main idea of a simple to understand and easy to use OS. I work a fair number of Mac users. I would agree with your experience. Personally, I amaze at the amount of repair required to keep a Mac up and running. Now that is a surprise. I persisted in using Windows in an otherwise Mac household for a number of years. I was finally won over by the trouble free beauty and elegance by which things are done in the Mac world. But I remain a Windows programmer by trade, so I must run Windows. So I got VMWare and installed Win 7 in a Mac window. MS Windows has never been so stable and well behaved. I'm a fan of using Windows and also learning about Linux. When it comes Windows, The Bat remains my e-mail client of choice. With VMWare, I have left nothing behind. Mac Mail is a fine free email program, but it lacks many niceties required by those who must have a high performance email client. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.6
Maxim, Hi Maxim, Friday, April 1, 2011, 5:22:23 PM, you wrote: MM What's new in 5.0.6 since 5.0.4? MM [-] (#0008475) IMAP : duplicating message in remote IMAP outbox when using portponed sending MM [-] (#0008537) duplicate messages in Sent Mail (local cache) MM [-] New Thread Sorting option was not working (Beta issue) MM [-] About didn't display key 'valid until' information MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_5-0-6.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-0-6.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-0-6.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_5-0-6.msi Up and running fine - I installed it over 5.05, and the .msi removed the 5.05 installation without a hitch. Great! Thanks for the good work, Maxim and Stefan. Now, go home and spend the weekend with your families/friends! I see it is 2:30 am in Chisinau. You guys are incredible. Even if it was only 1:30 when you put the installer up. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: wrong time zone offset fix
Marek, Hello all, Tuesday, April 5, 2011, Sean Rima wrote: Rar is reporting asn error with the file: ! C:\Users\Sean\Downloads\tb5061.rar: CRC failed in thebat.exe. The file is corrupt ! C:\Users\Sean\Downloads\tb5061.rar: Unexpected end of archive please wait, it is uploaded yet. It looks like the upload didn't finish. It is stuck at 980 kb. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
Gene, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 02:29:20 +0300, Maxim Masiutin m...@ritlabs.com wrote: Hello Tbbeta, What's new in 5.0.8 since 5.0.6.1 BETA? [*] HTML hints are now disabled by default (BETA issue) http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3the_bat//thebat_rus_5-0-8.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-0-8.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-0-8.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_5-0-8.msi My experience? Consummate POS. I now have a splash screen and nothing else. NO EMAIL nothing. Get this fixed, quick, or I'll be forced to move on... in a hurry... (Sorry, I'm pissed.) Not confirmed. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.1
Maxim, Running with no problem here. The Bat! 5.0.9.1 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5091.rar What's new in 5.0.9.1 since 5.0.8.1: [-] Replying to a message that starts thread in a threaded list caused opening replies for all its descendants (Beta issue) [-] (#0008621) Empty folders function was broken in v5 [-] Removed Welcome message from Zahid [-] (#0008602) IMAP : Option When inactive, disconnect after does not work [-] Rethreading function was working wrong when the dragged message was droppend onto itself causing hiding of the message from the list [-] (#0008614) Delete button was working as delete and follow next when message list was switched off in the separate message list viewer [-] (#0008628) message export/save as function was using non-modal file save dialogue causing problems on some systems [-] (#0008583) Option Play sound when new mail arrives doesn't work [+] (#0007284) Print function is now functional in the image viewer Current beta is 5.0.8.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.9.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.1 Still Not Working
Richard, Hello Maxim, Here are two little/annoying things that I have mentioned before 5.0 came out and are still not working: 1) Open the address book and the cursor defaults to search results and not personal address book. 2) Mark the message as send in filters do not work. Specifically, in a number of cases a filter moves a message to a specific folder and is followed by mark the message as read. The message moves but the message stays as unread (in bold). In most email clients this operation works better if you mark it as read before moving. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.9.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.4
Maxim, The Bat! 5.0.9.4 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5094.rar What's new in 5.0.9.4 since 5.0.9.3: [*] In S/MIME signatures, the attribute ESSCertIDv2 is now added. [-] (#0008582) EML/MSG/VCF association erro under WinXP when saving Preferences dialog Running here. Current beta is 5.0.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12 MSI (release?)
Maxim, We will upload these files to the server in 20 minutes since I sent this message. We would like to update the release MSI files on the website, could you please test the following files: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-0-12.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-0-12.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_5-0-12.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_5-0-12.msi what's new since .10 MSI: [-] A small bugfix in closing the message editor [-] (#0008656) Broken warning about opened Reply window for same recipient in 5.0.9.6 (BETA issue) [-] (#0008652) Replied Icons not working in 5.0.9.6 (BETA issue) Installed and running well here. Current beta is 5.0.10.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.10.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12.4
Maxim, The Bat! 5.0.12.4 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb50124.rar What's new in 5.0.12.4 since 5.0.12.3: [-] Attached files, opened for viewing by external applications (e.g. .DOC files) weren't saved as read-only Can you make this an option? I would like to be able to edit files sometimes. [+] Smart algorithm to replace slash characters in attached file names opened opened for viewing by external applications. Slashes around digits are replaced to dashes, other slashes to underscores. [-] Bug with loading drafts into editor from IMAP-server-based Outbox [-] List index out of bounds when deleting several messages [-] (#0008365) Testing of filters actually caused full filtering processing [+] Filter Logging pane in the Re-filtering dialogue [-] (#0008700) Delete and follow next/previous feature broken [-] (#0008718) Some status bar menus in the message editor and SmartBat could ignore user input Running here. Current beta is 5.0.12.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.12.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12.4 Cannot Delete Messages!!
Rick, The Bat! 5.0.12.4 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb50124.rar What's new in 5.0.12.4 since 5.0.12.3: [-] Attached files, opened for viewing by external applications (e.g. .DOC files) weren't saved as read-only [+] Smart algorithm to replace slash characters in attached file names opened opened for viewing by external applications. Slashes around digits are replaced to dashes, other slashes to underscores. [-] Bug with loading drafts into editor from IMAP-server-based Outbox [-] List index out of bounds when deleting several messages [-] (#0008365) Testing of filters actually caused full filtering processing [+] Filter Logging pane in the Re-filtering dialogue [-] (#0008700) Delete and follow next/previous feature broken [-] (#0008718) Some status bar menus in the message editor and SmartBat could ignore user input I cannot delete messages with this version either with the delete key nor the icon. I cleaned up and rebooted the computer and the problem persists Confirmed. I must go back one version -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.12.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12.4
Jernej, On Thursday, May 19, 2011, 19:57:13, Gleason wrote: Can you make this an option? I would like to be able to edit files sometimes. Either save the file manually, or use File-Save As in the program (you really really don't want to edit a file in your temporary directory). Sure I do. Why does it matter where it is, if I need to edit it? That means that I don't need to save it somewhere and then track it down to edit it. Why should I want another hoop to jump through? -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.12.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12.4
Vilius, Can you make this an option? I would like to be able to edit files sometimes. Either save the file manually, or use File-Save As in the program (you really really don't want to edit a file in your temporary directory). Sure I do. Why does it matter where it is, if I need to edit it? That means that I don't need to save it somewhere and then track it down to edit it. Why should I want another hoop to jump through? Because mosts users think that they are editing document in the email, and then loose all their work done on it. Yes, so make it an option in program setup, so those of us who know what we are doing aren't limited by the need to protect some users from themselves. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.12.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12.4
Dwight, On Thursday, May 19, 2011, 1:46:30 PM, Gleason wrote: Sure I do. Why does it matter where it is, if I need to edit it? That means that I don't need to save it somewhere and then track it down to edit it. Why should I want another hoop to jump through? because you want to know where the edited file is, not have it buried in and disappear from the temporary files. That's why I am going to save it after editing. But I don't need the extra hassle. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.12.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12.4
Vilius, Sveiki, Friday, May 20, 2011, 2:15:57 AM, you wrote: Dwight, On Thursday, May 19, 2011, 1:46:30 PM, Gleason wrote: Sure I do. Why does it matter where it is, if I need to edit it? That means that I don't need to save it somewhere and then track it down to edit it. Why should I want another hoop to jump through? because you want to know where the edited file is, not have it buried in and disappear from the temporary files. That's why I am going to save it after editing. But I don't need the extra hassle. Then marking it as read-only is even better for you. Because you would not need to search for Save As button; simple CTRL + S will open Save As dialog, and the editing is ALWAYS allowed regardless if the document is read-only or not. Allowed depending on software. Grumble, grumble. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.12.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12.4
Günther, At 20.05.2011 08:16, Vilius Šumskas wrote: Then marking it as read-only is even better for you. Because you would not need to search for Save As button; simple CTRL + S will open Save As dialog, and the editing is ALWAYS allowed regardless if the document is read-only or not. Not, if using free OpenOffice: That does not allow editing of r/o files. There's one. There are others. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.12.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12.4
Dwight, On Friday, May 20, 2011, 3:22:09 AM, Günther Fuchs wrote: Then marking it as read-only is even better for you. Because you would not need to search for Save As button; simple CTRL + S will open Save As dialog, and the editing is ALWAYS allowed regardless if the document is read-only or not. Not, if using free OpenOffice: That does not allow editing of r/o files. can't confirm this here. I just opened an attachment in OO, and proceeded to edit it. Hit save, and got the save dialog box. Only problem I saw was that I was able to just save it which, of course, didn't save it. Right, so TB should stop trying to protect me from myself. Generally, software should not prevent you from doing things. A warning is ok. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.12.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12.13
Maxim, The Bat! 5.0.12.13 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb501213.rar What's new in 5.0.12.13 since 5.0.12.12: [-] (#0008671) Age limits and priority filtering Mail Ticker settings were ignored [-] (#0008749) No HTML end tag in message [-] Trying to fix interface language reset to English at startup Running here. Current beta is 5.0.12.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.14.2
Maxim, The Bat! 5.0.14.2 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb50142.rar What's new in 5.0.14.2 since 5.0.14.1: [-] new messages could be not handled right by Mail Ticker [-] (#0008673) Focused messages wasn't reselected upon changing threading mode Running well here. Current beta is 5.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.16 MSI
Tony, Hello Tbbeta, Please test 5.0.16 MSI files. Thank you in advance! http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-0-16.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-0-16.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_5-0-16.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_5-0-16.msi Using The Bat 5.0.16 beta, Windows 7 64bit collecting mail via IMAP and The bat does not Synchronize with the server to get mail. Get mail, does not get mail, the only way to recieve the mail is to Shut down The bat and reopen the Bat. This then gets the mail. The account log shows: 26/06/2011, 12:55:45: IMAP - IMAP server authentication OK, server says Logged in When I go into Manage IMAP folders, The Bat stops responding ,then its the task manager job This was happening on 5.0.14 as well No problem with 16 here. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.14.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.8
Maxim, The Bat! 5.0.18.8 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb50188.rar What's new in 5.0.18.8 since 5.0.18.6: [+] Voyager setup now creates the AutoRun.Inf file [*] Colour Group selection now reflects colour and style setting of the groups [*] Better logging with The Bat! is run with /STARTUP_TIMING_LOG command line option [-] Removed some redundant config write operations. Running well here. Current beta is 5.0.18.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.18.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.12
Bob, Hi Maxim, Sunday, July 24, 2011, 12:56:33 PM, you wrote: MM Hello Vilius, MM Sunday, July 24, 2011, 8:34:18 AM, you wrote: However it should default to current mailbox. MM Other IMAP applications even do not display which folder is currently MM SELECTed on IMAP, and the users are happy! The evelness of knowledge ;-) Yes, even if you offer extra features, there will be some who are Warning: Americentric thinking ahead. The world does not share Our US culture in general. Rumor has it that people in other parts of the world have their own ideas. On the other hand, there are some characteristics that humanity does share in general. Note, it is not valid to refer to them as US characteristics. never satisfied. That is unfortunately true in some ways in our U.S. culture in general. There is a fine line between 1) using technology to be helpful to human well-being - and 2) technology becoming an addiction for its own sake, like alcohol, drugs or tobacco. The good news - developing compassionate relationships with all people (from the saints to the criminals) can never be a loss but only a gain. We still need jails for some people, of course, but they are still worthy of compassion, just like our best friends. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.22.2
Maxim, This message from Marek remains duplicated in my message list. Cntrl-M marks it read. Cntrl-D removes the duplicate entry. (unread count remains 1). Cntrl-C returns the duplicate to the list marked unread. Hello all, Sunday, July 31, 2011, Maxim Masiutin wrote: [-] Minor bug while counting messages for virtual folders I am still getting -1 in virtual folder unread counter, when read message. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.22.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.22.10 Up and Running Well
Hi Maxim, Tuesday, August 16, 2011, 4:23:59 AM, you wrote: MM The Bat! 5.0.22.10 (ALPHA) is available at MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb502210.rar Up and running well with Gmail's IMAP. Startup time is 5-6 seconds, which to me is good. About the relevant folder - I assume it has some potentially beneficial aspect, and its presence does not bother me at all. If we find out that it does NOT have any potentially beneficial aspect, then I would trust you'd remove it from the design in time. Or perhaps it would hurt anything if we deleted that folder ourselves. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.22.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.26.3
Maxim, The Bat! 5.0.26.3 (ALPHA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb50263.rar What's new in 5.0.26.3 since 5.0.26.2: [-] (#0008672) Windows Certificate Store menu item disappears [-] Plain text messages saved as HTML have been shown as a single line [-] TBMAPI.DLL gave error messages [-] Fixed some memory leaks [-] If a user did drag a message from The Bat! to an external application, national characters might have been lost [-] Some fixes related to copy-paste in HTML messages Running without problem here. Current beta is 5.0.26.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.26.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.26.4
Hello Uwe, US Trying to access the properties of any mail folder gives an AV, but no need US to restart TB! after clicking OK. US --- US The Bat! US --- US Access violation at address 0058000C in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0270 US --- US OK US --- Confirmed, too. The folder properties cannot be accessed. Not confirmed here. Best regards, mse -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.26.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.0.26.9 (ALPHA)
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, The Bat! 5.0.26.9 (ALPHA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb50269.rar What's new in 5.0.26.9 since 5.0.26.7: [-] Fixed an AV when inserting smileys [-] The Bat! will no longer show GifImage:5 EReadError on invalid GIF files. [*] Now errors detected in JPEG images (e.g. embedded to HTML message) are only logged to the ex_log.txt when a command line option /REPORT_JPEG_ERRORS is set. [-] Logged JPEG errors didn't have error numbers or explanation text messages logged. [-] Hint display mode wasn't stored (Options|Preferences|Hints) [-] Fixed deadlocks when filtering messages Running well here. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.26.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.36.5
Maxim, Up and running here. The Bat! 5.0.36.5 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb50365.rar What's new in 5.0.36.5 since 5.0.36.4: [-] Transfer encoding for non-ASCII characters in message headers cannot be changed (combo-box was disabled by accident) [-] Cannot focus a disabled or invisible window exception after double-click on message in Mail Ticker (Focus to message option is used) [-] Watch and Send files scheduler action could be not working correctly with Unicode file names in some cases [+] It is now possible to create a new address group from the group selection dialogue called from an address item editor [-] Some problems using in-line images in mass mailing using HTML templates Current beta is 5.0.36.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.36.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.0.1
GwenDragon, Hello Maxim Masiutin, The new TheBat 5.1 uses Internet Explorer as HTML viewer as i recognized in TheBat's settings for HTML Viewer? Not very secure, as IE is often vulnerable for Malware Co.! Why did you leave the secure path unsing your own HTML renderer for display and changed to Internet Explorer? Easier programming? Better rendering of HTML mails? The option selector for IE/internal html renderer is grayed out here, with IE selected. But I see that TB is still rendering not as IE would do it. I think having a choice is a good idea. If security is your concern use the internal renderer. Even better would be to fix the internal renderer. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.0.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.0.1
Paul, 4/13/2012 10:02 AM Hi Gleason, On 4/13/2012 Gleason wrote: G The option selector for IE/internal html renderer is grayed out here, G with IE selected. But I see that TB is still rendering not as IE would G do it. I think having a choice is a good idea. If security is your G concern use the internal renderer. Even better would be to fix the G internal renderer. Double-click.. Renders great in my browser of choice which is also best equipped to deal with security issues. The point of TB having internal rendering being that browsers are especially vulnerable to security issues. Especially IE. The more widely used they are, the more vulnerable they are. In my case, the emails that are most likely to be guilty of security offenses go straight to junk and are never viewed. While leaving html email from my legitimate correspondents viewable and renderable. The better the rendering the betting I like it. I understand that there are folks out there who get no legitimate html email. I'm not sure how they do it... -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.0.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.0.1
Jernej, On Friday, April 13, 2012, 16:36:09, Gleason wrote: Especially IE. It's not 2005 anymore. So there is no downside to TB using IE rendering components? -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.0.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.0.1
Jernej, On Friday, April 13, 2012, 21:07:32, Gleason wrote: So there is no downside to TB using IE rendering components? None that I can think of, as long as your system is kept up-to-date. In fact, I'd actually expect IE's renderer to have less security issues than TB's internal one, since it's been much more widely tested and analyzed, and thus less likely to have unknown security issues. I suspect that is true. The difference is that hackers are not likely to go to the effort to compromise TB's system. Not enough people use it to provide sufficient hacker jollies. IE has been improved, but it remains the target of choice for such efforts. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.0.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Modules or Plug ins for The Bat
Ethan, Advantages of the plugin idea: You get access to functions that the developer hasn't time or resources to provide. Optimally, there will be a long list of such. Disadvantages: Since the plugin provider is very likely working for free, (s)he is unlikely to have a long term interest in maintaining the plugin. Or of fully developing it with nice to have features. In the case of TB, antivirus and antispam plugins seem to be exceptions to that. In the long view, there is something to be said for devoting available resources to function development rather than maintaining a plug in interface. Especially if little other development is happening with the software, which is not the case with TB. It is to Rit's credit that this old plugin still works. Other clients with plugin interfaces often have lists of plugins that no longer work. The reason that they are still available is that nobody is paying attention, I suspect. Hello Peter, Sunday, April 15, 2012, 7:48:07 AM, you wrote: I can say it works quite well with the version in my signature. That is helpful to know. Still, it is way too complicated for my CEO and Chief Operating Officers to deal with. We need cleaner, easy to install modules. The problem being, how to motivate plugin developers to undertake such. Money? Remembering that Rit has their hands full with what they *are* working on. Not sure if this address is still current, but here is the RSS plugin developer atlan...@mail.ru Period. Thanks, Jerry -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.0.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Dwight, There is only one. Mulberry. The king of imap clients. Of course it does have other faults. On Sunday, June 3, 2012, 9:26:01 AM, Eddie wrote: I am playing with IMAP again but this time I try to create Filters on TB! that shall be recognized by gMail. Those Filters I see are only stored on my TB! IMAP account but not in my gMail account. Does that mean that creating IMAP filtering is not possible under TB!? I'm not familiar with any email client which makes filters on an IMAP server. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Dwight, On Sunday, June 3, 2012, 3:50:13 PM, Gleason wrote: There is only one. Mulberry. The king of imap clients. Of course it does have other faults. Ithought it was dead. Hasn't released anything since 21-February-2007. Hard to get a browser to go to its side because of invalid certificate. There does continue to be open source work on it. I have a functional Windows build from May 2011 I can send you. Was it able to create filters on all IMAP sites, or just Cyrus? Not sure, but I never heard the server software made a difference. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Ethan, When Cyrus Daboo took Mulberry into open source, I subscribed to the developer's mailing list he offered. I told him that, in spite of the fact that open source has a sort of religious following, it is not a way to get a lot of top quality work done on Mulberry. He of course ignored that. He has spent the past few years working on the calendars. Others have plugged a few memory leaks. I suspect he thinks, that the memory leaks got plugged faster this way than if they waited until he got a round2it. I also joined David Haris's (Pegasus Mail) 1000 even though I don't use his product either. At one time I dreamed that somebody would get around to writing the great imap email client in the sky. I now suspect that won't happen. But I do still send David money. And I paid Rit for the v5 to 6.0.99 upgrade a year or so in advance. Ever the dreamer. Hello Gleason, Sunday, June 3, 2012, 5:34:27 PM, you wrote: There does continue to be open source work on it. I have a functional Windows build from May 2011 I can send you. Interesting. This site is now flagged as un trusted. https://www.mulberrymail.com/ Also see the following link: http://www.bris.ac.uk/it-services/applications/email/mulberry/ As a former Mulberry user and tester, when the company ceased operation, I stopped using the application. Jerry -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Eddie, Dear Gleason, --- Gleason / Monday Mon 04. Jun 2012, 07:04 AM IMAP Filtering When Cyrus Daboo took Mulberry into open source, I subscribed to the developer's mailing list he offered. [...] Thanks Gleason for this insight. So, do I understand from your description that TB! offers the best solution to IMAP? What is your view? It depends on what you need, of course. Mulberry has some very nice to have unique features. But the critical things for me (in addition to competent imap server interaction) are an html reply editor that allows me to insert reply between sections of quoted html and clearly be able to tell the difference. Only TheB does this well. The other thing I need is a quick, simple, thorough imap search. Postbox (but not other Moz) is the best for this. So, I do use TheB for most things. I know that some others here aren't happy with TheB's imap server interaction. I use Fastmail, not Gmail, or Hotmail, etc. I do have a second imap account with Bluebottle.com. TheB handles that one well too. One other thing I would ask for in TheB is the option to have a popup window asking in which imap folder to place the sent copy of outgoing messages. Mulberry and Pegasus have that. It is almost enough to get me to use Pegasus, but not quite. -- best regards | Using The Bat! 5.1.6 Eddie | on Windows 7 6.1 | Build 7601 Service Pack 1 -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Raymund, Hi Dwight, One other thing I would ask for in TheB is the option to have a popup window asking in which imap folder to place the sent copy of outgoing messages. Mulberry and Pegasus have that. This would be an excellent addition, indeed! What would you use it for? I have a folder for project proposals and several folders devoted to individuals. And other folders related to various projects in process. It would be sterling to be able to decide in which place to put a sent copy as I send the message. I once used a outgoing mail filter to put a copy of a send mail into the same folder as the mail I replied to so that it would thread along. Yes, and that is more than most people need. Some delete a message as soon as it is answered, never quote the previous message in a reply, etc. They can use OE or MS Mail. People come to high performance email clients because they have special needs. There is absolutely no sense in competing with MS for ordinary users. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Raymund, Hi Gleason, I once used a outgoing mail filter to put a copy of a send mail into the same folder as the mail I replied to so that it would thread along. Yes, and that is more than most people need. Well, I just realized that I obviously had that filter in place for some of my friends as the outgoing mail filter doesn't have an option to use the folder you started the mail. Anyway I gave up on that idea long ago when I lost my settings during one upgrade of TB!. But wouldn't a virtual folder collecting mails and replies to these mails work as well? (Not sure if that's possible, though.) After they are dispensed to their appropriate folders (using the feature I mentioned), it might be that I would want to be able to view them all in one place with a virtual folder. Yes, I have made one of those, but haven't found it especially useful. When I need to find something, Postbox is the best answer. Currently. -- Gleason -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Report
Steven, Personally, I would call that a bug in TB. As far as *ALL* other program I have that open links are concerned, the system viewer is the program currently configured as the default system browser. That means that I can get things to automatically open IE, FF, Chrome, Opera, or even Safari (if I'm temporarily insane) when I click a link. If TB always uses IE, then TB is wrong and broken. A bug would be if you set Firefox to be your default browser, and you get Opera when you click on a link. Not implemented is when a feature is not offered. Lastly, none of this matters to me because I consider it totally insane to EVER click a link in an email, for security reasons. Not totally insane in my experience. So far so good. I always retype them into my browser or perhaps copy and paste them, but clicking can all too easily lead you to a web site of evil. Those aren't too hard to spot. Evil can't help but leak around the corner where it hides. Then again, it might be nice if TB had an option to provide a special warning if the link text doesn't match the link that will be followed and/or if the link will execute some script or macro. Then it MIGHT be arguably safe to click a plaintext link. A plain text link would have no hidden link that will be followed, one assumes. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB for Android?
Joerg, Dierk Haasis wrote: *Yeah right, iOS ... as if iOS-users would be able to work TB ... iOS is based on BSD and so on MacOS X. wine also runs under MacOS X. Try it. :-) I would be very surprised if you could get Wine to run on iOS. iOS being an Apple product and Android not being Apple. Android might be BSD but it isn't iOS. So maybe Wine could run on Android if it isn't locked down like iOS systems are. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.6.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.8
Maxim, The Bat! 5.1.6.8 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5168.rar Running well here. Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.6.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
