Re: [SPAM?] 9.4.5.3

2021-12-14 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,

Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 4:49:03 AM, you wrote:

> Version 9.4.5.3 is available 

up and running.
 
Thanks so much for finally fixing the messed up returns in the editor.

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Re: Connection center.

2021-09-22 Thread Ira
Hello MAU,


> It closes automatically here.

Thank you. It does close here also, I just had a mailbox that was failing and 
taking a very long time to timeout, never waited long enough before.  When it's 
getting the other mailboxes it shows progress but on this one it didn't show 
anything obvious so I thought it was done.

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Connection center.

2021-09-22 Thread Ira
Hello
 
I like having the Connection Center on auto so it pops up when I send and 
receive mail. But sometimes it doesn't close when it's finished. If I send a 
message it pops up, I can watch the message send and then it automatically 
closes.  But if I click on Get New Mail For All, it pops up, I watch it get the 
mail but it stays up when the job is finished and I have to close it manually. 
It would be so much nicer if it closed automatically like it does when I send a 
message.
 
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Re: [SPAM?] 9.4.4 MSI

2021-08-20 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,


Friday, August 20, 2021, 8:15:05 AM, you wrote:

> Version 9.4.4 MSI is available 


Installed with no issues.

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[SPAM?] 9.4.2.7

2021-07-21 Thread Ira
So I set this already but I'm uncertain if it went because instead of reply, I 
was playing with edit as new and accidently used edit as new for this which 
left the from as it was on the original message.  Also, when I then changed the 
account so it was coming from me, it added a forwarded from header at the top 
and an end of original message footer, not something I wanted or expected 
though I guess one might argue it makes sense.  Also further testing shows that 
some HTML messages work properly and some don't.

 
Dear All, 

Version 9.4.2.7 is available 

[-] "Message | Edit as new"  was quoting original text
Well, it works better for text messages, but not at all for HTML messages.  
When I use edit as new on a HTML message it puts in all the HTML as text so it 
looks like this. I've only included the first few lines but a one page message 
is many many pages of HTML code. The text between the lines of 
/// was just copied from a message where I choose edit as 
new.
 
Ira
 
///

 Thank you for your purchase! 
 
 
 
 

Re: [SPAM?] 9.4.2

2021-07-10 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,


Saturday, July 10, 2021, 1:03:31 AM, you wrote:

> [-] "Paste as plain text" was adding extra paragraphs

Well, that was one of the more annoying things for me, glad to see it's fixed.

But, in the middle of typing that last line The Bat locked up for a time, more 
than 10 seconds as I finally gave up and went somewhere else to see if it would 
remember what I'd typed that wasn't on the page yet. It did, when I returned to 
this message everything was there. It almost feels as if it's doing the first 
auto save after 10 or 15 seconds and that takes a really long time. I don't 
know what it is actually doing, but it does happen occasionally.
 
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Re: [SPAM?] Re: Where is the folder list structure stored?

2021-06-30 Thread Ira
Hello Alexander,


Tuesday, June 29, 2021, 10:09:54 PM, you wrote:

> The ACCOUNT.FLB file in the root of the mail data folder stores the structure 
> of the common folders, including common virtual folders.


Thankfully I found a backup and was able to restore that file. I think there 
might be a problem with restore. I restored only Properties and Global Options 
and the progressed bar reached 100% in a almost instantly but never indicated 
it finished, leaving Cancel as my only option. 5 or 10 minutes later I just 
forced The Bat to exit and it had restored properly.

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Re: Where is the folder list structure stored?

2021-06-30 Thread Ira
Hello Joerg,


Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 9:19:31 AM, you wrote:

> What I will have to do to "convert" my old order (in)to "ACCOUNT.FLB"?


AccOrder.cfg in mine only contains the order of the top level accounts and 
virtual folders, not the order of the subfolders within accounts. So, it might 
be they serve different purposes and you need both.

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Re: Where is the folder list structure stored?

2021-06-29 Thread Ira
Hello MAU,


Tuesday, June 29, 2021, 1:58:21 PM, you wrote:

> It is not a file. Using Windows Explorer look at you Mail folder. There you 
> should see a folder for each of your accounts, and if you select one account 
> you will see the folder structure (tree) underneath. Same if you have 
> sub-folders.
 
I get that, but I can order those folders any way I want in the BAT, but that 
doesn't change the order on the drive.
 
 
> Have  you  tried pressing [CONTROL] [ALT] [SHIFT] L ? That CAN restore things 
>  that  are correctly in the Folder tree but not showing in the Bat.


This I did not know, I will try this.
 
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Re: Where is the folder list structure stored?

2021-06-29 Thread Ira
Hello MAU,


Tuesday, June 29, 2021, 7:50:59 AM, you wrote:

> Why do you reply to an existing message and thread, instead of sending a new 
> message with a new subject to start a new thread?

Because it's easy and I didn't realize that hidden stuff travels with the 
message. I changed the subject which I thought was enough.

But still no answer to the question, what is the name of that file and where 
does it hide? It would be nice if someone answered so I could get The Bat to 
stop throwing exception errors whenever we tried to re-arrange the list.

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Where is the folder list structure stored?

2021-06-28 Thread Ira
Hello All
 
I lost the structure of the folder list on the left edge today. What file do I 
need to restore to get it back?  I've looked, but can't figure it out.

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Re: Replying inline to HTML messages

2021-06-11 Thread Ira
Hello Thomas,
 
Friday, June 11, 2021, 8:21:00 PM, you wrote:
 

> When replying inline to HTML messages, the rpely looks like it was part of 
> the original message that is being replied to.
 
Yes, it does this.  The state of the new HTML editor is so far from usable it's 
as if no one even tries to use it. 
 
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Edit as New broken

2021-05-29 Thread Ira
Hi
 
When I choose "Edit as New", the original text is all included and the header 
is proper, but the text in the message is all included as "quoted text"  as if 
I choose Reply, not "Edit as New."
 
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Re: 9.3.4.14 - emoji dialog on 4k screen

2021-05-28 Thread Ira
Hello mse,
Friday, May 28, 2021, 9:15:25 AM, you wrote:
On a 4k-display with 150% zoom the insert emoji dialog has an unnecessary vertical scroll bar in the recently used emoji pane.
On my 4K display at 175%, the emoji display is wider than the window. so I can't see the last few emojis in each line. You can see the first line ends with a bow and the next line starts with baseball, but there are 11 more emojis between those that I can't see except be making the window wider. That hides different one, but by changing the window size I can eventually see all of them. -- Ira 

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Re: [SPAM?] 9.3.4.7

2021-05-10 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,

Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 8:11:11 AM, you wrote:

Stefan> Version 9.3.4.7 is available 


I tried, but today I went back to 9.3.4 as I could not deal with the new HTML 
editor any longer. But, other than that, it worked just fine.

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Weird editor in behavior in 9.3.4.7

2021-05-07 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,
 
Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 8:11:11 AM, you wrote:
 

Version 9.3.4.7 is available 
 I had tried the new editor before and eventually gave up and went back to the 
old one. I'm trying the new editor again and have found some issues.
 1. The right arrow key always goes from the first letter of a word to the last 
letter. To get to the middle of a word with arrow keys I must start the the end 
and use the left arrow key
 
  2. The insert key does not toggle insert mode.
 
  3. Spell check does not work on some contractions.  For example:  didn't, 
wasn't
 
  4. While trying to correct an existing word, the cursor always jumps to the 
end of the word on the first letter typed. 
 
  5. Some replies come up in all Courier even though no profile layout has 
Courier in any selection.
 
  6. The font size displayed when creating a new message is wrong. As I type 
this, it looks like Arial 10 or 11, yet it shows being Arial 16.
 
  7. Word wrap points are incorrectly calculated. The text always extends far 
past the right edge of the window before wrapping and the window is unaware as 
there is no horizontal scroll bar available, so no way to see what I writing.
 
  8. Crtl + Arrow stops on the single quotes in contractions, but not on 
periods and commas. Those behaviors are different than Microsoft Word. The 
single quotes are clearly wrong, the commas and periods are probably OK either 
way.
 
  9. If I highlight this line and the carriage return on the line below and 
change to Bold, Italic, Underline or Strikethrough and then back to normal, the 
carriage return is deleted.
 
Not to be negative, but it's almost unusable in it's current condition.  I 
think better than last time though.
 
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Re: [SPAM?] 9.3.3.6

2021-04-16 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,

Thursday, April 15, 2021, 7:58:47 AM, you wrote:

Stefan> Version 9.3.3.6 is available 

Installed and mostly working fine.

2 things:

When writing a message, word wrap does not seem to respect the window borders

when using "Edit as New," all the text is quoted as if I hit Reply.

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Re: Display issue

2020-10-24 Thread Ira
Hello MAU,

Saturday, October 24, 2020, 3:15:28 AM, you wrote:

MAU> That does seem a bit weird, I think I've never seen it.
MAU> Do you have 'Auto Refresh' set in the folder Properties/Filter?


I do, I doesn't happen often, but it's one of a few issues like this that pop 
up occasionally. As soon as I do anything, it corrects itself. It didn't select 
another message so in effect, it's still on that message even though it 
disappeared.

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Display issue

2020-10-23 Thread Ira
Hello tbbeta,

I have a virtual mailbox called unread which contains unread messages from a 
bunch of mailboxes. Sometimes unread messages stay displayed until I leave and 
return and sometimes they just go away when they become read. So I was replying 
to a message in that mailbox and after hitting send the message became unread 
and disappeared as expected, but the message body is still displayed in the 
message pane even though the header no longer exists in the message list above 
it.

Thanks, Ira 



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Re: [SPAM?] 9.2.5.2

2020-10-09 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,

Friday, October 9, 2020, 11:59:23 AM, you wrote:

Stefan> [+]  Interface Themes

Not sure it's a problem or a feature, but when I choose the Dark Theme some of 
the color choices associated with Color Groups are changed in ways that makes 
them unreadable. Seems like when I choose dark you leave the background color 
alone but change the font color from black to white. That might be OK if you 
changed the background color, but in this case, it makes those lines completely 
unreadbale. White text on pale yellow does not work at all! But, I could fix it 
in 5 minutes if I cared to keep that theme, so while annoying, it's only really 
a problem if you want to be able to switch themes on the fly.

-- Ira 



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Re: Downloads from site

2020-09-17 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,

Thursday, September 17, 2020, 2:31:53 AM, you wrote:

Stefan> We're trying to solve the slow download issue which seems to happen to 
some users. Could you please check how it works now with downloading the latest 
full packages from these URLs and what are the actual URL stated in the 
browser's download list?

Yesterday it took well over 30 seconds to download the small one, today it took 
like 3 seconds to download the big one so yes, it's much better.


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Re: 9.2.3 MSI

2020-09-04 Thread Ira
Hello MAU,

Friday, September 4, 2020, 11:39:40 AM, you wrote:

>>> Not sure why, Microsoft flagged the file as potentially damaging for my 
>>> machine.  
>>
>> I get this message as well. Is there a way to fix it before we install the 
>> new file.

MAU> Same here. I think I'll wait for a new file


What it's actually saying is we are not familiar with this file, i.e., it's not 
been installed enough were aware of it's existence and are you sure you know 
what it is. Nowhere in that message does it say it's harmful.  It does say, 
executable files may be harmful and are you sure this one is OK.

-- Ira 



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Re: 9.2.2 MSI Presentation Failure

2020-07-21 Thread Ira
Hello Curt,

Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 10:01:36 AM, you wrote:

Curt> However,  a  little  bit  ago,  The  Bat!  stopped  displaying message
Curt> previews.  I  have 2 panes: account listing on the left, message index
Curt> on  the  right, both full height. Workspace/Window Split Mode presents
Curt> content correctly, but has no effect.


Quitting and restarting usually works to fix that.

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Re: 9.2.1.0 MSI

2020-07-02 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,

Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 8:17:26 AM, you wrote:

Stefan> Version 9.2.1.0  MSI is available 

I've never seen this before.

Select a text message in a folder in an account and highlight a few 
lines.
Select a different folder in the same account and highlight a HTML 
message.
Immediately press F4 and the reply is to the current messages sender, 
but the contents of the reply is the highlighted text for the 
previous message.

If you do anything else, you're likely to correct the focus and it 
will work correctly.

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Re: 9.2.0.6

2020-06-26 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,

Wednesday, June 24, 2020, 4:38:47 AM, you wrote:

Stefan> Version 9.2.0.6 is available from

Somehow my window split setting got changed and I discovered that 
every time I change it the program exits. It saves the change, 
but it exits and I have to start it again. 

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Re: Return-To Header entry

2020-06-18 Thread Ira
Hello MAU,

Thursday, June 18, 2020, 3:28:43 AM, you wrote:

MAU> Your  question  is  not related to any beta feature or enhancement, it
MAU> should have been sent to TBUDL and not to this list.

Sorry, I'm only on this list, I don't know about any other list and 
this started happening just after Steven returned so it seems like it 
might be a beta issue.

MAU> Aside  of  that,  you are sending HTML message. Do you read this list?
MAU> Didn'tyouseeacouple   of   days   ago   this   message
MAU>  from list Moderator?

I did see Marks post and I thought I followed his answer on how to 
insure all messages to this list were in text format, but I guess it 
backfired since as far as I know, this is my first HTML message to the 
list. I'm sorry for that, but I believe it's fixed now. Thank you for 
letting me know.


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Return-To Header entry

2020-06-18 Thread Ira
Title: Return-To Header entry


Hi

I've started seeing messages with a header that looks like:

Return-Path: @SomeMailService.com>

Where the Return-Path contains the sender and the From contains my email address, so replying to them doesn't work.

Seems Return-Path is for something else, but why do I keep getting emails from people that show both the From and the To containing my address , so replying replies to me, not the the sender of the email. It's a recent change and I'm not trying to point a finger at the Bat, but I'm completely perplexed as to what might cause this.


-- Ira



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Re: Mod: HTML use (was: 9.2.0.2)

2020-06-17 Thread Ira
Hello Marck,

Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 10:50:08 AM, you wrote:

Marck> It's  just  "The  template  that  gets  used for emails written to the
Marck> list".  In  my  case,  it's  the  address  book  Reply and New message
Marck> templates  for  the  list address. It's not a specific thing. Some use
Marck> folder templates for this. That's always been something I've avoided.

Ah, I see. I never ceases to surprised by the myriad features hidden
within The Bat.


Thanks, so much, Ira



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Re: Mod: HTML use (was: 9.2.0.2)

2020-06-17 Thread Ira
Hello Marck,

Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 8:36:37 AM, you wrote:

Marck> Please do not send HTML messages to the list
Marck> except for purposes of testing. While the merits of HTML are
Marck> debatable, and have been discussed numerous times on the lists, the
Marck> list rules prohibit HTML e-mail. You can easily automate this by using
Marck> %SetEditor="1" in your list template.


I must not be violating the rules, but I want that feature for some
other things and You;ve piqued my interest. What is a "list template"
and where do I find it?

Thanks, Ira



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Re: Question about reply choices

2020-06-13 Thread Ira
Hello MAU,

I'm pointing at the button so it seems to use the Reply to for the
current message as a default.

MAU> When  you  click the button, what address are you pointing to with the
MAU> mouse cursor?

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Re: Question about reply choices

2020-06-13 Thread Ira
Hello MAU,

MAU> That  should  work  when you first point to an email address. It could
MAU> even be an address that appears in the message body.

Yes, if you do that it makes perfect sense, but if you put the button
on the toolbar next to send what it does makes no sense.

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Re: Question about reply choices

2020-06-13 Thread Ira
Hello Andrew,

Saturday, June 13, 2020, 12:30:49 AM, you wrote:


Andrew> Are you using the same function/button? Another screenshot attached.

 No, myine says Reply to this address, But Reply to the sender is
 certainly what I would want. I'll look for that.  Thanks.

 But it still seems like "Reply to this Address" should work
 different.


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Re: Question about reply choices

2020-06-13 Thread Ira
Hello Andrew,

Weird, it clearly does not work like that here.

Ira

Andrew> Hello Ira,

Andrew> Saturday, June 13, 2020, 4:38:47 PM, you wrote:

>> I had never seen it till today and when I saw it I put in on my
>> taskbar as a button in which case it doesn't seem to work as expected,
>> but when I do what you showed it did what I expected. So should it
>> just not be allowed as a button or should it reply to the from address
>> instead of the replyto address?

Andrew> Seems to work as expected. Please refer to the screenshot attached.






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Re: Question about reply choices

2020-06-13 Thread Ira
Title: Re: Question about reply choices


Hello Andrew,

I had never seen it till today and when I saw it I put in on my taskbar as a button in which case it doesn't seem to work as expected, but when I do what you showed it did what I expected. So should it just not be allowed as a button or should it reply to the from address instead of the replyto address?

Friday, June 12, 2020, 11:36:20 PM, you wrote:





> Where do you find "reply to this address"?

Here:




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Re: 9.2.0.1

2020-06-12 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.2.0.1


Hello Richard,

Make sure the shortcut has program and start in set correctly, I had to edit my shortcut so they both pointed to "C:\Program Files\The Bat!"

Friday, June 12, 2020, 4:21:10 PM, you wrote:









I put this in Mailwasher and then The bat comes up:
"C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Ritlabs The Bat!\The Bat! (64-bit).lnk"


       I couldn't get that to work and I tried it several different ways. At lease you pointed me towards the direction of being able to directly point to any email program. I suspect the "issue" is more directly related to how TB is interacting with CEF. So, I'll wait to see what the developers come up with as a fix before investing time into something that is likely to be superfluous.






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Re: 9.2.0.1

2020-06-12 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.2.0.1


Hello Richard,

I put this in Mailwasher and then The bat comes up:

"C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Ritlabs The Bat!\The Bat! (64-bit).lnk"

Choose Use Other Program and then that should work. I did have to edit the shortcut as somehow it seemed to think The Bat was in Program Files(x86) ans so it would not work till I fixed that. You can't pick it either as then mailwasher just reads the name of the exe from the shortcut.

And I guess I should say thanks, it's the first time it's ever worked since I started using the bat.

 Ira

Friday, June 12, 2020, 12:57:22 PM, you wrote:





Hello Ira,





I'd guess you need to ren "the BAt" in it's own folder soyou should try pointing mailwasher to the start menu shortcut instead of The Bat exectable, or making a shortcut in The Bat folder that points to the exe and is set to start in that folder.


Thanks for your creative guess. MailWasher doesn't seem to allow one to "point" to the email program; it seems to pick it up from listings in WIN10. Since writing about the MailWasher program I found that using email links in my browser (FireFox) to email an article brings up the same errors as it attempts to load TB.
 
Hence, I suspect that the answer lies in making the CEF Library more universally embedded in the system before the system tries to load TB or somehow allow TB  to call the library before it attempts to load. Either of which is beyond my capabilities.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

--
Best regards,
 Richard                            mailto:newmangroup@gmail.com
--
Using The Bat!  v9.2.0.1 (BETA)  on  Windows v10 18363 






-- Ira



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Questionn about reply choices

2020-06-12 Thread Ira
Hi

What is the difference between "Reply to this address" and just
"Reply"?

I figured that when I have a message from john at mail.com and a reply
to of mail at maillist.com that "Reply" would go to the list and
"Reply to this address" would go to John, but they both seem to go to
the list which seems to make them the same thing.

Ira



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Re: 9.2.0.1

2020-06-12 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.2.0.1


Hello Richard,

Friday, June 12, 2020, 11:37:02 AM, you wrote:





But I use MailWasher Pro to pre-load and remove spam before downloading to TB. When MP tries to open TB I get the long list of CEF Binaries Missing error message. I changed the mail program settings in MP and my default WIN mail program for 10-15 minutes. 



After reading todays flurry of messages, I'd guess you need to ren "the BAt" in it's own folder soyou should try pointing mailwasher to the start menu shortcut instead of The Bat exectable, or making a shortcut in The Bat folder that points to the exe and is set to start in that folder.

And isn't Mailwasher wonderful!

-- Ira



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Re: 9.2.0.1

2020-06-12 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,

Friday, June 12, 2020, 4:16:13 AM, you wrote:

Stefan> Version 9.2.0.1 (BETA) can be downloaded from

Thankyou, installed and running the 64 bit version.

The function "Reply Quoting Selected Text" does not seem to work on
HTML messages, only on text messages.

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Re: Kinda roadmap ;)

2020-06-07 Thread Ira
Title: Re: Kinda roadmap ;)


Something is hinky in this version, This message from Daniel indicated it was from me.  I've put the header as it showed up in Mailwasher at the bottom. You can see that the reply shows "Hello Ira" even though it's not from me. I made the "From:" line bold to make it easier to find. Maybe it's not The Bat, but it's weird no matter what.


Hello Ira,

Sunday, June 7, 2020, 4:34:20 PM, you wrote:






Hi Stefan, good to see you return to the bat's nest and I'm glad that
The Bat's development will get a new impulse.

I've seen quite a few fixes of inconveniences and annoyances requested,
but I think the pita that deserves priority is the one that, for quite
a few people, causes The Bat to not work at all with Gmail:

https://www.ritlabs.com/en/auth-forums/forum4/topic14455/

Best of luck, kind regards,

-Daniel-



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Re: Kinda roadmap ;)

2020-06-03 Thread Ira
Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 6:22:15 AM, you wrote:


Thomas> Then your editor behaves different from mine. I use MicroEd, and you
Thomas> can see my Windows and TB version in my sig. How about yours?

Thomas> --


It's been broken since V9 was released. I've reported it before and
it's been confirmed by others. It sadly does not matter to me if you
can't duplicate it. Stefan asked for what our most pressing issues are,
that's one of mine and so I told him. I'm using 9.1.18.3. Don't know
anything about MicroEd. I just use The Bat.

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Re: Kinda roadmap ;)

2020-06-03 Thread Ira
Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 8:14:14 PM, you wrote:

>> when editing an email address in the To field The Bat assumes you're
>> entering it from scratch and erases what your doing. For example. I'm
>> replying to j...@somecompany.com and I jighlight "jane" and type
>> "bob". The Bat replaces that with a list of all my email address that
>> start with "bob", erasing "somecompany.com" which is the part I cared
>> about.

Thomas> This is standard Windows behaviour. When you have the whole email
Thomas> address highlighted and type something, all of the highlighted text is
Thomas> deleted. Instead, highlight only the part you want to change.

Thomas> -


No, it's not. I specifically I only highlighted "jane" or more
correctly I said I jightlighted "jane", but I assume that error would
be obvious.

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Re: Kinda roadmap ;)

2020-06-02 Thread Ira
Hello Stefan,

Monday, June 1, 2020, 2:48:18 PM, you wrote:

Stefan> - within next few weeks, we will try to fix with top PITAs (please
Stefan> feel free to name your favourite ones), make some minor additions and
Stefan> facelifting, then release a new v9.x.x update.


Glad to here there's hope going forward. Thanks so much. I'm one of
the short timers, only been using The Bat since 2013.

But, to answer your question:

when editing an email address in the To field The Bat assumes you're
entering it from scratch and erases what your doing. For example. I'm
replying to j...@somecompany.com and I jighlight "jane" and type
"bob". The Bat replaces that with a list of all my email address that
start with "bob", erasing "somecompany.com" which is the part I cared
about.

Incoming emails show attachments that don't actually exist or at least
shouldn't be shown as attchments. If someone embeds their business
card image as their signature, it's an embeded image, not an
attachment. And often for reasons I don't understand there's an
attachment called message.html that really shouldn't exist.

When replying, the quoted text is often put in some massively nested
table making it near impossible to edit or delete the noise.

I think and I might be in a minority, that reply of any sort should
always respect selected text. Now I need to use two different replies,
one if I want the whole message and a different one if I only want
selected text.

Anyway, thanks so much for asking. It's nice to hear development will
continue.

-- Ira 



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Re: The Bat! 9.1.16 MSI files & Voyager

2020-04-17 Thread Ira
Hello Maxim,

Friday, April 17, 2020, 10:41:08 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> The Bat! 9.1.16 MSI files and Voyager are available at:
Maxim> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-1-16.msi
Maxim> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-16.msi

Maxim> What's new since version 9.1.14 released on April 13th, 2020:


Seems to work, thought there is no link for Voyager that I can see.

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Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address

2020-04-13 Thread Ira
Title: Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address


Hello Thomas,

Sunday, April 12, 2020, 11:13:12 PM, you wrote:





What TB version and what Windows version do you use?



Always the most current 64bit version or beta unless the people who install it before me give warnings.

Always the most updated version of 64bit Windows 10

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Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address

2020-04-12 Thread Ira
Title: Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address


Hello Thomas,

Sunday, April 12, 2020, 10:22:03 PM, you wrote:





Well, I changed it to michaela (I have no tom in my addressbook ), and TB made a suggestion that I would have to click on. If I don't click on it, the email goes to michaela@extrasensory, see attached.




Well, it doesn't work that way for some of us. Maybe it's a setting somewhere, but in my version of The Bat, it would have replaced Extrasensory with fair.. about the time I got to the letter "h" in michaela. What you're saying it does would be perfect, but that's not my experience. I tested it on the CC just before I pressed send and it erased extrasensory about 1/2 second after I typed "tom."

-- Ira



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Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address

2020-04-12 Thread Ira
Title: Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address


Hello Thomas,

Sunday, April 12, 2020, 7:13:13 PM, you wrote:





As mentioned, you can just keep[ typing. In fact, if I type an address and it matches more than one AB entry, I get a 




Copy and past this address into the to field of a new email:

 i...@extrasensory.com
 
 Now highlight "ira" and try to change it to some common name in your address book. In my experience it will almost immediately hange the how address to the first matching email in your address book even thought I wanted to send it to t...@extrasensory.com. If there is data after the cursor, it should not be be autoselecting a new address from the address book until there is a complete match.

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Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address

2020-04-12 Thread Ira
Title: Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address


Hello Lüko,

Thursday, April 9, 2020, 1:57:16 AM, you wrote:






  I experience even worse problems with the opposite — quite often, when I do a REPLY, I want to edit the free form name of the TO-recipient, and then TheBat! uses the few letters I am typing in to look up an address in the address book, and replaces the whole address by the one picked up from the book. No revert of that change possible.

  That is really nasty.



Yup, that about the Bat's most annoying feature. Gets me all the time. Especially bad when you don't notice and send something to the wrong person.


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Re: 9.1.4.3

2020-03-06 Thread Ira
Hello Maxim,

Friday, March 6, 2020, 10:15:11 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> The Bat! 9.1.4.3 (BETA) is available at

Seemingly alive and working.

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Re: Filtering

2020-01-31 Thread Ira
Hello Thomas,

Friday, January 31, 2020, 4:08:37 PM, you wrote:

>> You probably clicked Alt+Selected sender. You can use Alt on any column
>> uf the message list to filter on a specific Subject, Date, etc.

Thomas> I use this extensively, much faster than searches. To undo the
Thomas> filtering, I use +<=>.


Cool. Thanks so much to both of you. That's a very nice hidden
feature. Been using TB for at least 6 years and never knew that.

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Filtering

2020-01-31 Thread Ira
Hi

I was looking at my mail today and accidently did something that
filtered out everything but the emails from the currently selected
sender.  View->Display->All Messages got them all back but I can't 
figure out how I did it. Can anyone tell me what I did?

Thanks, Ira
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Re: 9.0.16: Clicking a URL in HTML message opens two browsers.

2020-01-13 Thread Ira
Hello Gleason,

Sunday, January 12, 2020, 2:30:18 PM, you wrote:

MAU>>> most  of  the  times  two  browsers are opened simultaneously: Edge or
MAU>>> Chrome,  whichever  is  default,  and  also  Internet  Explorer.  Both
MAU>>> browsers will show the same page.


I've  been thinking about this and I think if The Bat just striped the
target=_blank it would solve the problem. All the big guys are putting
it in because so much of the email is browser based and it makes sense
there, but the system browser sees that and launches a new window even though
it's  running  in a place where it should be handing the instruction
off to The Bat.

-- Ira 



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Re: 9.0.16.2

2020-01-12 Thread Ira
Hello Zygmunt,

Sunday, January 12, 2020, 9:55:15 AM, you wrote:

Zygmunt> Sorry, the customizer window is still too narrow, making the customizer
Zygmunt> completely unusable (see https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1835).

Zygmunt> Correct size of the customizer panel appears only in search window (it 
opens
Zygmunt> after pressing F7 key).


We  had  the discussion/argument awhile back. Turn out this is the new
improved  customizer.  Now  you  open the new tiny customizer and drag
things  on  and  off  the tool bar while it's open.  Personally I also
think  it's a giant step backwards, but it seems to be the wave of the
future

-- Ira 



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Re: 9.0.16: Clicking a URL in HTML message opens two browsers.

2020-01-12 Thread Ira
Hello MAU,

Sunday, January 12, 2020, 8:53:57 AM, you wrote:

MAU> most  of  the  times  two  browsers are opened simultaneously: Edge or
MAU> Chrome,  whichever  is  default,  and  also  Internet  Explorer.  Both
MAU> browsers will show the same page.

MAU> Has anybody else noticed this or something similar?


Started  for me  a while back on MailWasher and then with The Bat with
this new computer. Here are 2 links from my email:

*

 https://click.email.homedepot.com/?qs=6c773e9710fe0e559e918460fde8fd281a22a431c7aa0cf29cea80282d00808404c0fe43bbc4ad80fe498d72dac93431bf401517dd4a072520796aa510c17eb2;
  target="_blank">http://image.homedepotemail.com/lib/fe601570746c07757c15/m/25/20191223_PIPX_FW49_TM_Reno_D_01.jpg;
 alt="Shop Now" border="0" width="724" style="text-align:center; font-size: 
24px; font-weight:bold; color:#33;display:block;"/>
 
 
 http://www.home-barista.com/forums/post691451.html;>La Pavoni 
Europiccola Repair
 
**

Happens on the first, but not on the second. I wonder if it's Windows
misunderstanding the target="_blank"directive?

And  as  someone  else  pointed  out  it  only happens when the system
browser is used for viewing.

-- Ira



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Re: 9.0.0.28

2019-11-25 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.28


Hello Maxim,

Monday, November 25, 2019, 9:03:28 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> [-] Fixed bugs in userdef.xml file handling in 64-bit version of The Bat! (BETA issue)

Thank you, this seems to be all better.  Could you please sort the items in the toolbar customizer in alphabetical order. I'm trying to add "Edit as New" and while I know it's there, finding it is an exercise is frustration as there seems to be little rhyme or reason to the order. Conceptually I do understand the order, but since I don't know where that command is supposed to be, the only sensible solution is to alphabetize them or add a way to search.


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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello MAU,

MAU> That's  why I suggested reverting to previous release until there is a
MAU> new release version.

But then I don't get to break it and right now it's very broken.

-- Ira



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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello Ira,

Sunday, November 24, 2019, 11:55:56 AM, you wrote:





 This morning I discovered that it's possible using that new feature to create a userdef.xml, attached here, that will prevent The Bat from starting. That was certainly unexpected and took a while to figure out.



Actually, it's worse than I thought. Every time I try to make a custom toolbar and exit The Bat , it will not start again until I delete userdef.xml. Opening up userdef.xml seems to me to reveal that what it's saving looks nothing like what I thought I created. The format of userdef.xml is a bit unclear, but I'm reasonably sure that's a true statement.

-- Ira



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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello MAU,

Sunday, November 24, 2019, 5:34:52 AM, you wrote:

MAU> Hello Ira,


MAU> Are  you  aware (and when I say aware I mean aware) that you are using
MAU> alpha  and  or  beta  versions of TB? If you are not happy using them,
MAU> nobody  forces you to do so. Revert to the latest release version that
MAU> you were used to, and pleasantly wait for the next release.


I am fully aware of that. I will point out that I've been pointing out functionality that's been removed and seemingly replaced with something that's both not as good, not as full featured and seemingly not near ready for alpha.

I've been on many many betas and alphas starting in around 1985. I'm here to try and help make one of my most important programs better. I repeat myself because I got no replies and that new "feature"  seem to have dramatically reduced the functionality of The Bat. At least it has for me.

 This morning I discovered that it's possible using that new feature to create a userdef.xml, attached here, that will prevent The Bat from starting. That was certainly unexpected and took a while to figure out.

-- Ira

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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello Andrei,

Saturday, November 23, 2019, 11:32:00 AM, you wrote:






Ira, there is no issue , you see new customization window with 2 lists,
we replaced menu and toolbars with totally new components and soon customization window will allow to assign shortcuts and may be icons
and will remove old customization window with 3 list  due is was for old components



Well, then the issues is you've removed a bunch of features or something as I now have buttons with no pictures that I have to try and remember what they are and buttons I use to use are no where to be found so I can't get the feature set I've gotten so use to using. I would not be complaining if you'd made it better, but as far as I can tell at this point it's a step backwards.

How do I reply to a message with only highlighted text?
How do I add a button to apply a specific Tag?

I dearly miss those two features but they seem to be not findable by me any more.

-- Ira



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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-23 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello Ira,

Saturday, November 23, 2019, 10:06:53 AM, you wrote:





Hello Maxim,

So I finally figured out I can use that thing that pops up when I do customize to drag buttons around, which is slightly better than nothing, but there is no way I can see to insert a separator and lots of the old selections are not there. Also, there is no way to add or change an icon for a command that is missing one.  Again, no that I can see.



OK, I figured out how to add a separator, but it's not very obvious.

I still can't see how to add an icon to a button with none and I can't find what used to be, "Reply quoting only selected text" or forward quoting only selected text. Seems like maybe a new macro in addition to $Quotes that is "quote selected only."  It's just often impolite to quote a whole message when you're only replying to one point, especially if the last person quoted the whole bloody weekly dump.

Also, when I choose forward, the formatting of the text is lost and it's all word wrapped into noise. I believe that's the $Text macro. Maybe ther also needs to be a $Formatted macro that retains formatting.


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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-23 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello Maxim,

So I finally figured out I can use that thing that pops up when I do customize to drag buttons around, which is slightly better than nothing, but there is no way I can see to insert a separator and lots of the old selections are not there. Also, there is no way to add or change an icon for a command that is missing one.  Again, no that I can see.


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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-23 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello Maxim,

Saturday, November 23, 2019, 9:43:10 AM, you wrote:
Maxim> [-] The configuration toolbar was missing (BETA issue)


Well, I see that, but I still can't customize the tool bars. Is there something going on such that you can't fix what should on the surface be a trivially simple problem.

When I'm at the opening screen and right click on the tool bars and pick customize, I see this:



I need to see this or can you at least please tell me how to find it in case I'm just being stupid:




If it helps, I can get here from the window when I double click a message, but that won't let me edit the customize screens toolbars.

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Re: 9.0.0.25

2019-11-21 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.25


Hello Maxim,
Maxim> [-] (#0001835) Toolbar customizer window is too narrow (BETA issue)

Up and running

There is still no way to customize toolbars. The window is bigger, but the contents are wrong for customizing toolbars.

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Re: 9.0.0.24

2019-11-19 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.24


Hello Maxim,

Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 11:27:57 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> The Bat! 9.0.0.24 (BETA) is available at


On the File Menu, Forward as Text and Flags both use "F", Print and Print Preview both use "P"
On the Specials Menu Add Sender and Reply to Sender both use "S", Add Recipient and Create Filter both use "C"



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Re: 9.0.0.24

2019-11-19 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.24


Hello Maxim,

Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 11:27:57 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> The Bat! 9.0.0.24 (BETA) is available at

Up and running but the Customize toolbar still does not work!


-- Ira



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Re: 9.0.0.23

2019-11-19 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.23


Hello Maxim,

Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 3:40:59 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> The Bat! 9.0.0.23 (BETA) is available at


Up and running but I still can't Customize the tools bars. is there any way to get back to version 12 or something where it worked so I can repair my install and then get back to testing again?

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Re: 9.0.0.22

2019-11-18 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.22


Hello Ethan,

Monday, November 18, 2019, 7:04:20 AM, you wrote:

Ethan> When       working       inside      a      message,     64      bit

Ethan> Letter  in  the  major  headings  (e.g.,  Message,  Edit,  Search  are
Ethan> underlined)
Ethan> Press the alt key and Message is highlighted

Ethan> The  items  in the menu list cannot be accessed using the Alt command.
Ethan> The can be access by mouse.

Ethan> I think this is a bug.

Ethan> Can anyone else confirm when working in the message window?

The Alt key opens the top level menu. After that underlined letters in the menu items are shortcuts that use letters with or without Alt keys. The problem you have is there is no shortcut(underlined letter) to open the Insert menu. To make sure that's correct, I just checked in a VB application I wrote and underlined letters do indeed open nested menus with and without the Alt Key.

If it was me, I'd set the menu up like this so every entry had an underlined letter:

Address Picker
Insert
Character Case
Evaluate
Advance Address Search
Insert Quick Template
Create a Quick template
Attach Personal vCard
Add a File


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Re: 9.0.0.20: Control has no parent window

2019-11-17 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.20:  Control has no parent window


Hello Maxim,

Sunday, November 17, 2019, 11:30:51 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> Hello mse,

Maxim> Friday, November 15, 2019, 7:23:47 PM, you wrote:

M>>> In the Editor window, when changing from HTML Only to HTML/Plain
M>>> text (on the bottom status bar), or the other way around, I get
M>>> the Control 'TRichViewEdit($0C43F960)' has no parent
M>>> window.
M>>> Any confirmation?

>> I can confirm that.

Maxim> Does it still happen in 9.0.0.22? I could not reproduce
Maxim> that! Tried both 32-bit and 62-bit versions.


I could not duplicate this in the 64 bit version.


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Re: 9.0.0.21

2019-11-17 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.21


Hello Maxim,

Sunday, November 17, 2019, 11:14:09 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> 3 people have confirmed that this bug was fixed.


Maybe so, but I have a folder called "deleteme" that I've been trying to delete for awhile that I still can't delete



It's highlighted in that picture and neither the delete key, nor right clicking and choosing delete, nor choosing Folder->Delete has made it go away.

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Re: 9.0.0.21

2019-11-17 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.21


Hello Maxim,

Sunday, November 17, 2019, 7:33:25 AM, you wrote:

Maxim>> [-] (#0001842) Folder cannot be deleted (ALPHA issue)

Far as I can tell, this still does not work.

And please will you fix the customize dialog on the main window so I can make The Bat usable again. It's got to be a trivially simple problem to repair. I unchecked a custom menu of mine and have not been able to get it back for the last 4 versions.

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Re: 9.0.0.20

2019-11-15 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.20


Hello andrei,

Friday, November 15, 2019, 12:48:50 AM, you wrote:





Ira,
 Could you please create an issue in bug tracker and attach screenshots ? 



Here's pictures of what I get when I pick customize:




Don't know what else I can do.

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Re: 9.0.0.20

2019-11-14 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.20


Hello Maxim,

Thursday, November 14, 2019, 2:00:26 PM, you wrote:

Maxim> The Bat! 9.0.0.20 (ALPHA) is available at

Customize toolbars no longer lets me customize toolbars. Nor can I get my custom toolbar back that I unchecked.


-- Ira



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Re: 9.0.0.12

2019-10-24 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.12


Hello Maxim,

Thursday, October 24, 2019, 11:02:55 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> What's new in 9.0.0.12 since 9.0.0.11:


Installed and working but all the problems I reported in the last version are still there:

I have a custom button bar at the top of the message panel which includes the message tag, "JUNK" but every time I quit and re-start "JUNK" is replaced by the complete list of tags. This is new in V9In this version when I start TB, the Quick search and Standard items are properly not displayed but after re-configuring my custom button bar, they suddenly appear.Closing the Quick Seach box causes a Access violation error.


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Re: 9.0.0.11

2019-10-19 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.11


Hello Maxim,

Saturday, October 19, 2019, 10:18:24 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> The Bat! 9.0.0.11 (ALPHA) is available at

Was I the only one who was supposed to get this?

Still has some problems:

I have a custom button bar at the top of the message panel which includes the message tag, "JUNK" but every time I quit and re-start "JUNK" is replaced by the complete list of tags. This is new in V9

In this version when I start TB, the Quick search and Standard items are properly not displayed but after re-configuring my custom button bar, they suddenly appear.

Closing the Quick Seach box causes this:




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Re: unregistered issues

2019-10-19 Thread Ira
Title: Re: unregistered issues


Hello Maxim,

Saturday, October 19, 2019, 1:14:23 AM, you wrote:

Maxim>   Are there other bugs of the current alpha series which
Maxim> are not included at https://bt.ritlabs.com/ in the "New
Maxim> Release Specific" category!?

Maxim> --


Are we on 9.0.0.9 or 9.0.0.10. I'm running 0.9 but when I went to Mantis it shows 0.10 so I don't want to report anything.

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Can't delete empty folder

2019-10-07 Thread Ira
Title: Can't delete empty folder


Hello,

Today I noticed a folder with a few messages that had been created by a mistakenly created filter, name was "serv...@ipphone-warehouse.com"

I put the messages where they belonged and then tried to delete the empty folder but failed. Tried Right click->Delete and the Delete key and both act as if the command is not mapped, no error and no deletion. Just to see if it was a special character problem, I tried renaming it to "deleteme" which worked fine, but it still won't delete

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Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)

2019-10-01 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)


Hello Richard,

Thursday, September 26, 2019, 1:36:41 PM, you wrote:





Hello Maxim,

MMvT> [!] This alpha version requires a key for The Bat! version 9 in
MMvT> order to run. It will not run with version 8 key unless in the "evaluation" mode, if any.
Are you going to provide Beta testers with a complimentary V9 key?



Or even a discount code for the upgrade. My time in V9 is about to run out and this question has never been answered which means I'll be going back to V8 at least temporarily.


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Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)

2019-09-26 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)


Hello Maxim,

Also from a UI point of view, people don't read side to side, they read top to bottom so unless you can come up with suitable icons for all of these, the way this menu appears is not proper.

 


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Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)

2019-09-26 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)


Hello Maxim,

When I customize the menu at the top of the message list to show the button "JUNK" from the message tag list, every time I re-start The bat, it is replaced with the complete list of Message tags, not the one I selected.


How do I get a code so I'm not in demo mode?


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Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)

2019-09-26 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)


Hello Maxim,

Installed and working, but my first reaction is I hate it. The interface is painfully slow. if I drag my mouse across the ribbon I can get 5 or 6 buttons lit up at the same time. And everything else about working with the editor and messages seems slower than before.



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Re: TB! Re-Downloads Emails already downloaded (was: 8.8.9.5)

2019-07-29 Thread Ira
Title: Re: TB! Re-Downloads Emails already downloaded (was: 8.8.9.5)


Hello MAU,

Monday, July 29, 2019, 7:18:52 AM, you wrote:





He is referring to the "Selective Download" filters, the last group of filters in the Sorting Office.




So you're indicating that if I set that for never download more than 2 weeks, that at no time will more than 2 weeks of mail be downloaded even if the program somehow decides to download everything?

-- Ira



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Re: Lost emails

2019-07-28 Thread Ira
Title: Re: Lost emails


Hello Richard,

Sunday, July 28, 2019, 12:31:42 PM, you wrote:





 The "Recycle Bin" tab in Mailwasher should allow you to recover the 10 missing messages.




where might this be? I assume it's gone as I quit the program and the trash empties when I close The bat.

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Re: Lost emails

2019-07-28 Thread Ira
Title: Re: Lost emails


Hello MAU,

Sunday, July 28, 2019, 11:32:34 AM, you wrote:







are lost forever is not one of them. I wish I could tell you what happened, but everything seems the same as always.



Have you taken a look at the account log? It should tell you is they were downloaded, perhaps filtered, and to which folder.




Thank you, I didn't know that existed. And now I know where they went and why, not a Bat problem, a mailing list server problem.

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Lost emails

2019-07-28 Thread Ira
Title: Lost emails


Hello,

I use Mailwasher to pre scan and delete all the spam before downloading. Today I had 11 messages to download after cleaning and 10 of them are gone. Downloaded, but nowhere to be found. Normally, I can quit and restart the bat and they come back, but today I lost all those emails. I've searched by subject, sender and text and not one of them made it into a mailbox. There are a lot of things I can put up with in an email program, but pretending to download and then deleting from the server so they are lost forever is not one of them. I wish I could tell you what happened, but everything seems the same as always.

V 8.8.9.9

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Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-21 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented?  (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))


Hello Lüko,

Sunday, July 21, 2019, 8:34:03 AM, you wrote:





 That's OK, but I also understand from your statement that you do not understand the MIME structure of today's emails in the first place.



I'm a user, not an author. I don't care one tiny bit about rules or structures having to do with how email is formatted for transmission. I just want to read, send, organize filter and search my emails.

All that stuff you're arguing about has nothing to do with the users of an email program. If it just reasonably displayed the email without all the tabs and attachments showing all the individual pieces and inline pictures and other noise id would be better at being an email program. It does all the filtering, searching and organizing stuff as well or better than anything, but it falls behind on the most basic requirement of just displaying an email so it's easy to read and understand. I don't care if other programs are broken and make life hard, that's not my problem. It just makes the puzzle a bit harder, but solvable.

There is so much time spent dissecting and arguing about why it works the way it does or why it can't work the way it should, but that's all noise.  Just make it work like every other email program ever written. Or at least make it an option to hide all the noise.

-- Ira



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Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-20 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented?  (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))


Hello Lüko,

Saturday, July 20, 2019, 12:41:09 AM, you wrote:





TheBAt! should have two separate lists, selectable by a TAB, one of the real attachments, the other the nested list of all body parts.



I see no reason to have a list of nested body parts, I just want the email displayed complete. Though I would be perfectly happy with a somewhat hidden way to get that list if I ever see a reason why I might care. It's an email program, just show me the email the way the sender saw it, certainly not as a list of attachments and pieces. If the sender did choose the "paperclip" to attach the file, it's not an attachment and should not appear as such. I'm not trying to understand the structure of emails, I just want to read them.

-- Ira



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Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented?  (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))


Hello Gleason,

Friday, July 19, 2019, 2:42:09 PM, you wrote:

Gleason> HTML being a moving target.  That might have something to do with why
Gleason> browsers require such frequent updates.  Good enough reason to let people
Gleason> use MS libraries to view html email like The Bat does.

Then stop showing emails without attachments as having a dozen or more attachments. I can live with messed up display, but having to dig through a list of attachment or tabs of different types of text only to discover I'd already read it all is absurd.  As for that matter is defending it as the best there is and denying it's full of issues. I would never argue its not the best there is, if with the knowledge I have I didn't think that I'd be using something else, but that does not change the fact that it's rather severely broken with seemingly almost no hope of it ever being fixed.

-- Ira



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Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented?  (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))


Hello Gleason,

Friday, July 19, 2019, 7:10:47 AM, you wrote:

Gleason> Qualcomm, which produced the (at one time widely used) Eudora email client, now
Gleason> defunct.  They gave it to Mozilla where it has gone no where.

It died because someone thought Thunderbird with a Eudora looking theme would be enough, but Thunderbird is so far conceptually from what Eudora was, it could never get close. I tried it. It called itself Eudora, imported all my Eudora stuff, but then I had to use Thunderbird which sucks so I kept using Eudora till it started crashing and then moved to The Bat, something good enough for my needs that I could live with it. But the list of the Bat's idiosyncrasies is is long and troubling and no one seems to care to fix them. You know, really basic stuff like properly displaying a message with text and html.

-- Ira



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Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-16 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented?  (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))


Hello Gleason,

Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:55:49 PM, you wrote:





You do embedded work.  I bet you are paid well, and you can afford the luxury of jumping on an airplane to fix somebody's problem.  



Yes, I do embedded work. I own the company, so I can do what I want and yes I could afford it, but out of more than twenty thousand users only 5 had the problem so like many other companies, I could have ignored it, but I can't. Companies who don't want bugs, work at getting rid of them. It's a task that has to be done and yet many authors consider it drudge work. I made my living working on custom accounting systems for small businesses fixing other peoples broken code, I think it's fun, that's seemingly rare, but it has to be done.

Or eventually, even the loyal ones will leave.

-- Ira



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Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented?  (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))


Hello Gleason,

Monday, July 15, 2019, 10:55:48 AM, you wrote:

Gleason> So give The Bat a fair chance.  It is the best out there relatively.


I do give it a fair chance and I always upgrade, but that doesn't mean it's not broken.  Personally, not one piece of software I've written has any known bugs. I'm embarrassed when bugs get reported in my software and so I make them go away. Sometimes for my embedded stuff that pays bills, at my expense, I jump on an airplane to visit a customer or make new PC boards with a bunch of LEDs so the customer can tell me where the problem happens. I'm not so generous for my freeware, but I rarely let bugs last past the next day. I just couldn't live with myself.  So when bugs in a program I pay for don't get resolved I tend to think the either people at the top don't care or the people writing the code aren't up to the task. But the Bat seem to be the best there is, so I tolerate it's foibles.  But that makes it difficult to recommend.

-- Ira



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Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented?  (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))


Hello Maxim,

Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:04:21 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> We are still committed to compatibility with Windows XP


How many customers still use XP? I bet it's in the single digit percent and you're better off leaving them behind. No one who has any inkling of security will still be using XP on an internet connected computer. Decisions like that are probably what will end up killing the product.

Personally I like the Bat, but I just wish you'd fix the bugs and not worry about new features. I'd guess that involves a lot of rewriting sections from scratch given the number of times seeming unrelated bugs pop up after what should have been simple fixes.

I refuse to use online mail and I use the Bat and have just had to accept that you'll never fix the bugs and I just have to put up with the annoyances, but it's not a way to make sure your customer base expands. When people ask me about email programs , I tell them about the Bat, but I always have to include cautions about the weirdness of how it works and the bugs that never get fixed. Give what it is capable of, it should be considered the best and most flexible, but the apparent inability of the programming staff to finish it, keeps it far from being the best choice for quite large percentages of the population.

-- Ira



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Re: 8.8.9.6

2019-06-12 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 8.8.9.6


Hello Maxim,

Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 3:43:59 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> What's new in 8.8.9.6 since 8.8.9.5:


Wow, lost all of my customized tool bars. I realize it's a beta, but that really sucks.

Also, on the icon list when using the tool bar customizer, would it be possible to sort them in alphabetical order? Trying to find a button now is kind of like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

Was there ever an option to display words and icons on a toolbar?


-- Ira



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Re: The Bat! v8.9 MSI (2nd attempt)

2019-06-04 Thread Ira
Title: Re: The Bat! v8.9 MSI (2nd attempt)


Hello Maxim,

Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 8:44:27 AM, you wrote:

Maxim> Digital signature timestamp (signing time) of the 64-bit
Maxim> version is ‎18:26:26, and of the 32-bit version is
Maxim> 18:26:49. Please make sure you have THE version with the
Maxim> digital signature timestamp mentioned.


Claims it won't use my V8 license, so not installed.

-- Ira



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Re: 8.8.2.7

2019-05-08 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 8.8.2.7


Hello Maxim,

Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 1:02:23 PM, you wrote:

Maxim> Did anybody try 8.8.2.7 released on May 3rd, 2019?


it's running here for about 30 seconds so far, here are the links for those that didn't get them:

https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8827-32.rar
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8827-64.rar


-- Ira



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Re: Re-downloading all the mails

2019-03-25 Thread Ira
Title: Re: Re-downloading all the mails


Hello Thomas,

Sunday, March 24, 2019, 1:08:26 AM, you wrote:





Hello Ira,

On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 00:08:55 -0700 GMT (24-Mar-19, 14:08 +0700 GMT),
Ira wrote:





Hello Thomas,




Would be intersting to know whether he also travels a lot. In case you are still in contact with him.






Never travels, never turns off the computer or the bat.

-- Ira



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Re: Re-downloading all the mails

2019-03-24 Thread Ira
Title: Re: Re-downloading all the mails


Hello Thomas,

Friday, March 22, 2019, 9:01:08 PM, you wrote:

Thomas> Ira, are you still here? Does your friend travel a lot?


I am here and I can't say, he's not complained in a while.

-- Ira



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Re: 8.8.2.3

2019-03-11 Thread Ira
Hello Ira,

Monday, March 11, 2019, 4:37:21 PM, you wrote:

Ira> So the actual problem is there are two different Replys
Ira> both called Reply. One always quotes everything(Ctrl+R or
Ira> Message=>Reply) and the other only quotes highlighted
Ira> text(F4) but there is no way to tell them apart that I can
Ira> see. Given that mess, it seems like a third one should be
Ira> created that quotes all unless something is highlighted and
Ira> then it only quotes the selected text. or just make it so
Ira> Ctrl+R works sensibly, quotes everything or only
Ira> highlighted. And please name them Reply Minimally and Reply
Ira> Maximally or something that makes some sense.  Also, for
Ira> what it's worth the Item, "Reply to this Address" can not
Ira> be added to a custom toolbar.


So there are 12 choices in the customize toolbar tool for reply. I think there 
are actually only 4 versions of reply or maybe only 3, Don't use quick Reply so 
I don't know if there are one or two versions of that. And many of them do not 
have a reply Icon. That makes figuring out what is what really difficult. And 
the menu, Message Reply does not show it's shortcut key, nor does it indicate 
there is more than one way to reply meaning most people will never understand 
how the program works!

While I do understand why some people might want the F4, no or highlighted 
quoting version, I have no idea who would want to be stuck with always the 
quotes everything ignoring what is highlighted version or as I put it, the 
obviously ignoring what I want version..

-- Ira 



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Re: 8.8.2.3

2019-03-11 Thread Ira
Hello Lüko,

Monday, March 11, 2019, 3:52:27 PM, you wrote:

>>>> If I highlight something, it brings that in, but if I highlight
>>>> nothing, it should bring in the whole message.

LW>>>   That's like I would like it to work as default.


So the actual problem is there are two different Replys both called Reply. One 
always quotes everything(Ctrl+R or Message=>Reply) and the other only quotes 
highlighted text(F4) but there is no way to tell them apart that I can see. 
Given that mess, it seems like a third one should be created that quotes all 
unless something is highlighted and then it only quotes the selected text. or 
just make it so Ctrl+R works sensibly, quotes everything or only highlighted. 
And please name them Reply Minimally and Reply Maximally or something that 
makes some sense.  Also, for what it's worth the Item, "Reply to this Address" 
can not be added to a custom toolbar.


-- Ira 



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Re: 8.8.2.3

2019-03-11 Thread Ira
Hello Maxim,

Maxim> What's new in 8.8.2.3 since 8.8.2.2:

Reply does not respect the %TEXT or %QUOTES in the reply template. If I 
highlight something, it brings that in, but if I highlight nothing, it should 
bring in the whole message. It works like that in Forward and Redirect. 

-- Ira 



 Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: 8.7.0.16

2019-02-08 Thread Ira
Hello Maxim,

Friday, February 8, 2019, 11:23:10 AM, you wrote:

> What's new in 8.7.0.16 since 8.7.0.15:
> [-] Sometimes there could happen account duplication


I'd suggest not trying this one or saving 15 before installing 16.  All my 
accounts but one disappear with this.

-- Ira 



 Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


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