Charge per email? (was: 2.0 Underwhelmed...)

2003-12-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello rich, On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:04:37 -0500 GMT (25/12/2003, 04:04 +0700 GMT), rich gregory wrote: As a matter of fact I would support legislation that would charge a fee (a small fee like 1/2 penny each) for every email sent. Maybe that would take the economic incentive out of spamming.

Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-24 Thread rich gregory
MDP What ... you never discovered the address picker Just click the MDP little man icon at the end of the BCC line. Use the picker to throw out MDP addresses from a line that long. It's so easy that way! Alternatively, I MDP could copy the line to a real editor to work on that much text. Edit

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-24 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Rich, @24-Dec-2003, 16:04 -0500 (24-Dec 21:04 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip seasonal harmony and agreements ... RG BTW, what's vbg? Very Big Grin ;-). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600

RE:2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Marck, Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 1:14:24 AM, you wrote: @22-Dec-2003, 18:29 -0500 (22-Dec 23:29 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to jwayne: j ... the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and j puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. RG

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Edgar
Hello Simon, On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 1:41:49 AM, you wrote: The benefit of using an excellent client like TB! is that it ISN'T always completely 'mainstream', and so it does require users to learn how to use some of it's many useful features. And TB! is rich in features,

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Daniel Rail
Hello Jurgen, Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 3:28:06 AM, you wrote: j ... the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and j puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. And, I observe that it is at the end. Am I missing something? well, I would also say it's unprofessional, and I

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Daniel Rail
Hello Edgar, Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 4:51:04 AM, you wrote: Although the help here in this group is great, It should not need to exist. There should be a good help system. Companies do not have the time to read loads of mailing list to find out how the e-mail client works. Unfortunately,

Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread jwayne
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 6:12:08 AM, Daniel Rail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DR Hello Jurgen, DR Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 3:28:06 AM, you wrote: j ... the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and j puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. DR And, I observe that it is

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Simon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Edgar, On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:51:04 +0100 your time, you said: E Although the help here in this group is great, It should not need E to exist. Hmmm, well I think that is a romantic notion myself. So these types of support systems [this

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Allie Martin
Jwayne, [J] wrote: J Ironic that they'd implement this important feature only in the HTML J editor when TB users are the most anti-HTML for email crowd around! I think that MicroEd, including both alternative editors were not written from scratch. They're grounded on established code for the

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Allie Martin
Simon, [S] wrote: S As I said, TB! has faults but people on this list usually attempt to S work around them until the faults have been rectified. This is it. :) With software, you almost always have to make concessions in the form of work-arounds or just doing without a particular feature. TB!

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Daniel Rail
Hello jwayne, Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 8:20:44 AM, you wrote: j ... the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and j puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. DR And, I observe that it is at the end. Am I missing something? Yep. Try it again, comparing how it works in a

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Edgar
Hello Allie, On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 1:46:55 PM, you wrote: Finally, the worse thing one can do, is to stubbornly insist that the new application do *everything* the same way the old application did. That's true, but one could insist on that the new application does *everything* it is

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Edgar
Hello Simon, On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 1:30:21 PM, you wrote: shortcomings...not that that justifies it of course. However, I don't believe for a moment that a better help file system would make this list redundant. Not a chance of it! This list is invaluable, and will continue to

Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread jwayne
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 8:49:51 AM, Daniel Rail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DR Hello jwayne, DR Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 8:20:44 AM, you wrote: j ... the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and j puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. DR And, I observe that it is

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Mark Wieder
Edgar- Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 12:51:04 AM, you wrote: E Although the help here in this group is great, It should not need E to exist. There should be a good help system. Companies do not Of course, if a good help system were a prerequisite then nobody would buy any MS products. The

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Edgar
Hello Mark, On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 5:18:16 PM, you wrote: Of course, if a good help system were a prerequisite then nobody would buy any MS products. The built-in help system is certainly one of TB's weaker points, but the day TB comes out with one of those damn talking paper clips,

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Chris
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 10:48:30 AM, jwayne wrote in the message 2.0 Underwhelmed... mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1) Cursor position: Ctrl-Shift-Left should move the cursor word by word to the left, not move immediately to the beginning of the text While selecting at the same time. To just

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Daniel Rail
Hello jwayne, Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 11:48:30 AM, you wrote: No, it _doesn't_ work as it should. There are basically two problems with the implementation as is: 1) Cursor position: Ctrl-Shift-Left should move the cursor word by word to the left, not move immediately to the

Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread rich gregory
MDP Hi Rich, Hi! And Best Wishes to all!! j ... the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and j puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. RG This is one of my BIGGEST complaints with TB. MDP This is such a tiny flaw compared to Tiny? I'll give you small! There are times when

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Maurice Snellen
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 09:51 Edgar wrote: Although the help here in this group is great, It should not need to exist. There should be a good help system. Companies do not have the time to read loads of mailing list to find out how the e-mail client works. I will probably never

Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread rich gregory
S There is nothing 'unprofessional' about the way The Bat! editor functions, S There are distinctive ways of doing things in TB! but those ways work well S once you have adapted to them. In the header, it does *NOT* work! Just try it, friend. S The benefit of using an excellent client like TB!

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Tony Mendina
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 09:51 Edgar wrote: I will probably never cease to be amazed by the apparently omnipresent expectation that all software must be either self evident or otherwise self explanatory. Actually, I disagree...at least about what I think the expectations of most users

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Wayne Howard
Hello rich, On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, at 3:49:11 PM, you wrote re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...: No matter how frustrated you are, I would appreciate it if you did not use our Lord's name in vain on this list. I also don't think that it's necessary for you to get abusive to make your point

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Edgar
Hello Maurice, On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 9:35:46 PM, you wrote: Business e-mail is, in my opinion, not a trivial tool. Just like business correspondence is not a trivial tool in doing business. I've heard of secretaries who are required to follow a course in official Dutch

Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Philip Storry
Hello Maurice, Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 8:35:46 PM, you wrote: MS I will probably never cease to be amazed by the apparently MS omnipresent expectation that all software must be either self MS evident or otherwise self explanatory. It's primarily an internal IT industry expectation - take a

Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Philip Storry
Hello Tony, Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 9:09:15 PM, you wrote: TM To use an analogy, the owner's manual for my car doesn't TM discuss how to drive, or what gasoline is, but it does tell me TM where the gasoline tank is filled on _my car_, and it does tell me TM about ways in which my car might

Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread rich gregory
WH No matter how frustrated you are... I don't think that it's necessary for WH you to get abusive to make your point. Sorry to disappoint, but I was not frustrated in the least! As the moderator expressed, my wording could be considered be some to be profanity, not my intention. I was seriously

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Wayne Howard
Hello rich, On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, at 6:56:55 PM, you wrote re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...: rg I was defending myself and now _I'm_ the abusive one. OK, you have a point, rg but re-read the message I was replying to and tell me who there was the rg abuser and abused, if you care so much

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Simon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello rich, On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:49:11 -0500 your time, you said: rg There is no need to be such a dick. Having a tantrum are we? lol Merry Christmas - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-23 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Rich, @23-Dec-2003, 15:21 -0500 (23-Dec 20:21 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP This is such a tiny flaw compared to RG Tiny? I'll give you small! There are times when I have a heck RG of a lot of email addresses on the BCC: line that need to be RG

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-22 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Monday, December 22, 2003, jwayne wrote: Just upgraded to 2.0 and am definitely underwhelmed. First, I was quite surprised that bugs in the 1.x version reported over a year ago haven't been addressed. Here are two of 'em: 1) Paste in any header field (e.g., To: or Subject:).

Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-22 Thread Allie Martin
Marek Mikus wrote: CC'ing to TBBETA in case the developers are too busy to read TBUDL. 1) It's a real pain in the butt to search over all accounts because you have to scroll down, checking each account, rather than clicking a single checkbox. MM You can use right mouse button and select

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-22 Thread rich gregory
j However, this does not work properly in any The Bat message header field j (To, Subject, etc); the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted j and puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. This is one of my BIGGEST complaints with TB. Though I use TB myself (and put up with it's

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-22 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Rich, @22-Dec-2003, 18:29 -0500 (22-Dec 23:29 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to jwayne: j ... the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and j puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. RG This is one of my BIGGEST complaints with TB. Though I use TB

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-22 Thread Simon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello rich, On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:29:19 -0500 your time, you said: rg Again, both are quite unprofessional. What a load of nonsensical claptrap! I've read some comments on this list over the years but my word, these last few remarks really

Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-22 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:14:24 +, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: [Unprofessionalisms in TB!] To me, it sounds almost like fussing about the bad design of the indicator stalk in a Ferrari. Your insertion of the word almost made me sigh with relief. ;-) (I wouldn't dream of buying a Ferrari model

2.0 Underwhelmed...

2003-12-21 Thread jwayne
Just upgraded to 2.0 and am definitely underwhelmed. First, I was quite surprised that bugs in the 1.x version reported over a year ago haven't been addressed. Here are two of 'em: 1) Paste in any header field (e.g., To: or Subject:). Ctrl-V or right-click paste works OK, Edit|Paste pastes the