Re: GMane - here we come
On Monday, March 8, 2004, 4:50:46 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP One thing that we feel duty bound to do here is to provide you MDP with clear instructions for the use of the X-No-Archive header MDP for those that *really* don't want their posts echoed to this MDP pretty well spam-safe news feed. Can I add a reminder that the X-No-Archive header only ensures your original post isn't archived? If someone quotes you, and they don't use the X-No-Archive header, whatever they quote will be archived. I'm also not satisfied with pretty well spam-safe (especially when it was zero spam risks only a few days ago) so I won't be posting. Yes, I know that nothing is spam-safe - but this is where my line is drawn. -- Deborah Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configure X-Header field
On Wednesday, March 3, 2004, 5:34:48 PM, Johannes Posel wrote: JP It is quite common for big as in cable or residential DSL ISPs JP (AOL included!), which this way hope to cut down spamming JP customers, which are then required to use the in-house mail JP servers, and as such can be easier traced. Bell Canada has this policy, though they don't seem to really know what they're doing, since their tech-support told me there was only *one* smtp server then gave me its details, which differed from the details given to me when I signed up for an account, since although they wouldn't let me use anything but their smtp servers to send mail when I was connected through them, they do still now allow me to send mail through their smtp servers (even though my account with them was cancelled three months ago)! -- Deborah Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
On Tuesday, March 2, 2004, 5:01:28 AM, Greg Strong wrote: GS I don't know about that. I'm sure the moderators have specific GS count. IIRC I've been on this list for two years. The volume has GS ALWAYS been high. People think this list is high-volume? I'm on lists that generate 300 posts per day when they're *quiet*! I never thought of TBUDL as high-volume - and I'm on a dial-up connection! :-o -- Deborah Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
On Monday, March 1, 2004, 10:52:05 AM, Allie Martin wrote: AM The news group will be simply a mirror or the mailing list and not AM a separate entity. Messages on the news server will be only AM messages sent to the mailing list. The news server mirror will be AM added as a means for those who wish to read the list traffic using AM NNTP to do so. I can't really see what advantage NNTP has over the TBUDL archive. It's not as though NNTP provides readability that some people don't have - if you have internet access, you have a browser. I must admit to being somewhat concerned about the NNTP spam-factor myself, and it would probably put me off posting. -- Deborah Most people would like to be delivered from temptation but would like it to keep in touch. - Robert Orben Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Known filter special?
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 6:09:05 AM, Allister Jenks wrote: AJ Yes, I know it *is* special, but I had an idea that I wanted a AJ sound to be played when something was filtered by it - i.e. some AJ *real* email has arrived. There's an option to Play sound on the Actions tab of the filter, which includes the option to play the wav file of your choice - is that what you're looking for? -- Deborah No one can liberate the slave who loves his chains. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Known filter special?
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 10:57:33 AM, MAU wrote: M Not in the Known filter :) I should read subject-lines, shouldn't I? :-) -- Deborah We seek the truth and will endure the consequences. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Disappearing progress indicator
On Saturday, February 21, 2004, 3:20:28 PM, Bill Blinn - Technology Editor wrote: BBTE My guess would be an incompatibility with WindowBlinds, but BBTE before I report it, is any other WindowBlinds user seeing this? Yes - and not just in the Connection Centre, but also the Maintenance window. -- Deborah If you attack expecting to prevail, do it in full strength, because a surplus of victory never caused any conqueror one pang of remorse. - Xenophon Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Disappearing progress indicator
On Sunday, February 22, 2004, 10:38:54 AM, MAU wrote: M I have seen this problem using WindowBlinds and it doesn't happen M with all skins or themes. No matter which one you are using, and M just as a test, select Display Properties/Appearance, then Item: M Selected Items and assign a different colour to it and now run M Maintenance, you should now see the progress bar. That's only available in the paid edition though, isn't it? I'm using the free edition. -- Deborah One more such victory, and we are lost. - Pyrrhus (after defeating the Romans at Asculum, 279 BC) Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Perhaps a bit off-topic, but a curiosity question here ...
On Monday, February 16, 2004, 4:40:58 PM, Dirigo wrote: D Has anyone else experienced this type of notification re: D thebat.exe Only after installing a new version of TB. -- Deborah It's all fun games until someone loses an eye. Then it's sport. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB - BSODs
On Monday, February 16, 2004, 5:29:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tko I use TB 2.01.26 with 122,886 messages in 6 accounts currently. Did you add up the messages in your accounts yourself, or is there a way to find the total within TB? -- Deborah Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Applying filter across all accounts
On Saturday, February 14, 2004, 6:56:19 AM, Scott wrote: S Wow, and I thought I was one of the only in the 30 account club on S TheBat. I have wanted the same thing here with out having to copy S and paste to 31 accounts, 34 accounts here - and that's been reduced recently since I've been playing with IMAP have put several pop3 accounts into one IMAP account. -- Deborah Courage is fear holding on a moment longer. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Transferring TB from an old machine
On Friday, February 13, 2004, 9:01:55 AM, Andrew Wainwright wrote: AW I've received bought a new machine (and passed my old one on to AW someone who has now wiped the hard disk). Does anyone know if I am AW entitled to my licensed copy of TB, or if I'll have to pay again? You can still use the old license; as long as TB is only being used on one machine, you're fine. If you haven't kept your registration key you'll have to pay a small amount to get a new one though. -- Deborah Things should be made as simple as possible, and not simpler - Albert Einstein Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 7:30:54 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH You're still not getting it. I'm looking to have my inbox (and WH other folders) open to the new, previously unseen messages, WH starting with the oldest of these - while keeping the remaining WH messages in view. I'm not trying to purge or compress anything. WH This is normal behavior for every other mail reader I've seen. I like TB's behaviour better myself. As Allie pointed out, it's very nice to be able to leave a folder return to it not have to find the message you were looking at before. I *much* prefer this to the way any of the other email clients I've used handles leaving/returning to a folder. I see you've found a resolution for your problem later in the thread - apparently the issue wasn't TB's behaviour but rather its option to purge compress folders. I like being able to do that too (though I don't do it on exit). -- Deborah A child educated only at school is an uneducated child. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 2:30:36 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH That would be fine, but it has been my experience that this is not WH always the case. Sometimes it scrolls all the way to the top and WH ignores what is the last read message - especially with the inbox. WH Is this a bug? Does anyone else experience this? Yes, this will happen if there's been anything *done* to the folder since you last viewed it, such as purging compressing it. I would also like TB to remember the last message through such procedures. -- Deborah A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. - William James Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 6:44:26 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH 1) I actually do not want to go to any unread messages. What I WH really want to do is go to the oldest new message. Sometimes I WH skip over messages that are not important, i.e. spam. I want to be WH able to quickly see what messages have been added to the folder WH since I last opened the folder. I do this in MS Outlook all the WH time. So you want to *see* but not *open* your unread messages, right? In that case, why not use the View-Display-Only Unread Messages option? WH 2) I want it to be automated. I don't want to scroll or use a WH keystroke. H...I guess I don't see it as such a big deal to use one keystroke to do what I want to do. TB gives me much more flexibility in moving around my email that Outlook (or anything else I've ever tried) - that matters more to me. Just one further thought - this might not be a suitable solution for you, depending on your circumstances, but what about using the Message Ticker the Virtual Folder it provides? -- Deborah Mahatma Ghandi, when asked by a reporter for his opinion of western civilisation: I think it would be a good idea. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 1:26:42 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH Because this should be unnecessary. What I describe is normal WH behavior in every other mail application I have used. It's not normal behaviour for OE, or for Eudora, or, I think, Pegasus...of course there are other things which are normal behaviour in those apps (such as defaulting to html, running viruses automatically, in OE, using up huge amounts of system resources in Eudora...) which I'm very glad I don't see in TB. -- Deborah Ever wonder what the speed of lightning would be if it didn't zigzag? Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 5:52:32 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH It certainly is in OE and full Outlook 2000/2002. I just tested WH it. In OE, when you leave a folder, it doesn't remember the message you last viewed. And you can't purge/compress folders in OE, afaik. So not really comparing apples with apples iyswim. -- Deborah In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 2:26:41 AM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH Chris, after reading your reply, I guess it would be more accurate WH to say the oldest, unread message so that I read them in order. I WH just don't want to go to the bottom or top. Ctrl-Alt-Right will take you to the next unread message, which isn't quite what you asked for, I know, but it's as close as I know. WH I also want it to be the default when I open a folder. This is the WH way I am used to working in almost every other mail application I WH have used. Any thoughts?? I hope that I said it right this time! WH :) I don't know if there's a way to make it the default, though if the last unread message was the last message you viewed in that folder, it will be the one displayed when you open the folder again. -- Deborah Liberty not only means that the individual has both the opportunity and the burden of choice; it also means that he must bear the consequences of his actions and will receive praise or blame for them. - F. A. Hayek Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why did I get a bunch of weird posts?
Just downloaded my email, got 28 emails which arrived in the tbudl folder. They don't show a to or from or subject in the message list, but they do show these items in the headers. They're all dated 30/12/1999. Okay, even stranger. I've deleted them, now they're in the Trash folder - and now they show today's date. It seems that TB has somehow processed them wrong when they got to me. Any explanations? -- Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fred Langa's email experiment
On Monday, February 2, 2004, 1:27:45 PM, Miles Johnson wrote: MJ Deborah did you, yourself READ that newsletter and the one(s) that MJ addressed this from an unknown name address issue? Yes, I did. MJ What Langa did was just an experiment, and a very important one. MJ Yes, the results are scary, but they that's not his doing, it's MJ merely a snapshot of what's going on right now. That's where I disagree. First, the headline didn't accurately reflect the claims in the article. Secondly, the claims weren't borne out by the stats - if he didn't get replies from 40%, that doesn't mean that 40% of his emails weren't received. At best, it says that 20% weren't received, that he didn't receive 20% of the replies. (We could get further into more complicated statistical analysis, that's just the first blow.) Third, he didn't accept replies - people actually had to forward them to a certain address. Given how good most people are at following instructions, I figure a good lot of people didn't do what he asked. That proves nothing about email, it only speaks to people's ability to read do what they're asked. MJ People can argue over the percentages all they want, but I can MJ confirm that more and more of my email does NOT get delivered. I've not noticed much email go astray at all - I had trouble getting an email to two people during the last bout of viruses, but my emails to both bounced. I've not had even a single episode of someone saying I didn't get that email from you or of me not getting an email someone sent to me - and I get thousands of emails a week. If a full 40% of emails really didn't get to the recipient, nobody would be using email at all, it would simply be too unreliable. If your phone only called the number you dialled on 6/10 occasions, would you ever bother to phone anyone? MJ And it doesn't matter what software you use. TB is a lot better MJ than many others, It does matter what ISP you use though - many of them have very stupid rules about what they'll allow through. AOL springs to mind G MJ but we are facing a very, very serious problem here with BOTH the MJ spammers and those idiotic challenge-based solutions. Yes, they are idiotic, really only suitable for people who don't actually want to get any email at all. Not sure who they'd be LOL. But my beef with Langa is that his claims just don't hold water - see the number of people on his forum who, when they found out what his emails said, dug them out of their spam-traps. As one of the participants there said, what he's proved is that 60% of people will open an email with a generic subject-line, from a person they've never heard of - now *that's* scary. MJ But this is getting a bit OT, isn't it? Yep. Shall we move to TBOT? -- Deborah I'm in shape. Round is a shape. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!
On Saturday, January 31, 2004, 10:39:51 PM, ken green wrote: kg Outlook's Mail Ticker ... err... small window that appears when kg new messages arrive does have one nice feature: it automatically kg fades out. That might be a good consideration for a future mail kg ticker option. TB's mail ticker can be set to only show messages of a certain age-range. That seems to me to be more useful than one that simply fades out after a specified time :-) -- Deborah Stupid questions are better than stupid mistakes. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!
On Monday, February 2, 2004, 4:34:25 AM, Miles Johnson wrote: MJ Aside from Fred Langa's remarkable newsletter (www.langa.com) MJ which has saved our butts so may times over the years at my work MJ (and is easily worth the $11 per YEAR subscription IMHO) He's the one who claims that 40% of emails don't get to their recipients, right? (But his test involved sending out emails from an unknown name address with the subject lines Hi and Follow-up - maybe the people who volunteered for it are more sensible than he gave them credit for G) -- Deborah Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More problems - and serious!
On Tuesday, January 27, 2004, 9:34:45 PM, MAU wrote: I must admit if I weren't already committed to TB this would be enough to send me running towards...oh, Pegasus or something. I nearly put Incredimail there, but then I thought, nah, never LOL M Incredimail ?!?! Why would a beautiful young lady like you want to M commit suicide? LOL - well no, I wouldn't. I did say I only *nearly* wrote Incredimail G. I wouldn't even go so far as OE G Yes, but clearly not often enough, since my current backup is, iirc, about a month old. M What about doing it daily? :) What about telling me to do that a week *before* TB has a nervous breakdown? ;-) M - What version of TB are you using? Ummm...2.02.3 CE. Why? M Just curious. I though you perhaps were using a beta. No, I haven't been brave enough for that (yet?) - besides, if I had been, I'd a) have posted on the beta list b) have had a more recent back-up LOL -- Deborah who spent hours sorting it all out yesterday, then *backed everything up* :-D Most people would like to be delivered from temptation but would like it to keep in touch. - Robert Orben Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Weird message-list behaviour
When I move to a folder which uses the generic view-mode, there's a horizontal scroll-bar on the message-list - there shouldn't be, because I have the view set up to just use the space available, but there is. If I open folder properties, the scrollbar *immediately* disappears - ie, before I change anything, before I exit the folder properties box. If I then leave that folder return to it, the horizontal scroll-bar reappears. Very strange... I'm also noting that the alternative view-mode I've set up isn't working - it has all the columns set to the right width when I look at the settings, but looking at the folder itself, it's using the generic view mode, showing the same behaviour as described in the above paragraph. I can't get it to change to the alternative view-mode at all - the Folder Properties *says* that's what it's using, but it isn't :-/ Any ideas? -- Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Weird message-list behaviour
On Tuesday, January 27, 2004, 8:02:48 AM, Deborah W wrote: DW If I open folder properties, the scrollbar *immediately* DW disappears - ie, before I change anything, before I exit the DW folder properties box. Update - now the scrollbar will sometimes *not* go away when I open Folder Properties, but it *will* disappear when I click OK in Folder Properties (without changing anything) :-/ -- Deborah Hoc nomen meum verum non est. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More problems - and serious!
On Tuesday, January 27, 2004, 11:47:29 AM, Deborah W wrote: DW I seem to have lost thousands of emails - lots of folders which DW should have lots of messages in them are empty - all commmon DW folders as far as I can see. Help! Following up to my own post again (seem to be making a habit of this!) - I pressed Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L, TB found *574* lost folders - but I *still* couldn't see them. Exited TB restarted it, all the lost folders appear to be there, but at the bottom of the account tree. I don't know *why* some of this stuff got lost, when other folders in the same tree-structure were left intact - nor do I know why I've got duplicates of many folders now - but I'll be backing up as soon as I've got them moved back to the right places! Lesson learned all that -- Deborah Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice... moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. - Barry Goldwater Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
More problems - and serious!
I seem to have lost thousands of emails - lots of folders which should have lots of messages in them are empty - all commmon folders as far as I can see. Help! -- Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More problems - and serious!
On Tuesday, January 27, 2004, 12:40:45 PM, MAU wrote: M I have seen you have replied to yourself :) and also Roelof has replied, M so a solution seems to be underway. Underway is right...all the lost folders have reappeared, not to mention some I deleted ages back, there's also a new folder for *every single account*, I'm trying to work out how to get rid of the extra folders without losing the mail that should be in the proper accounts! So far I'm having to do the following for *every folder* in TB: delete the extra folder, sending messages to Trash; at this point all the messages in the *account* of the same name *also* disappear, I have to go to Trash move them back into the Inbox for the account, then refilter them into the correct folders. *Sigh* - this is going to take some time. I must admit if I weren't already committed to TB this would be enough to send me running towards...oh, Pegasus or something. I nearly put Incredimail there, but then I thought, nah, never LOL M A couple of questions though: M - Do you ever make a backup of your email (and other important M data)? Yes, but clearly not often enough, since my current backup is, iirc, about a month old. M - What version of TB are you using? Ummm...2.02.3 CE. Why? -- Deborah Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:13:33 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: RO You'll only need the same filter in all of your accounts. You RO don't need a common feature, just check 'Execute action set of RO this rule by pressing the Hot Key' at the 'Options' tab and make RO sure that you also check 'This rule is only executed by pressing RO the hotkey' In order to neglect the filter conditions you must RO have 'Check the selected message against this rule' unchecked. Hmmm...that should work then. Now I just have to find a keyboard shortcut/hot key that isn't already used by something else G -- Deborah Lottery: a tax on people who don't understand statistics Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: disable parallel mail catchup of all accounts
On Monday, January 26, 2004, 5:13:33 PM, dAniel hAhler wrote: dh is there a way to configure the Connection Center to fetch mail dh account by account and not on all accounts at the same time? You can set individual accounts to *not* fetch mail by choosing the Ignore Check All Accounts Request on the Options tab of Account Properties, but I suspect that isn't really what you're looking for. There isn't a way to select a bunch of accounts have TB check only the selected accounts though - a feature I'd really like to see. -- Deborah Impossibilities are merely things of which we have not learned, or which we do not wish to happen - Charles W. Chestnutt Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Keyboard shortcuts
Delurking to ask: Is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut for something that doesn't appear in the Shortcuts Editor? I'd like to be able to use a keyboard shortcut to move messages to a specific folder (currrently have to use F12 then choose the folder manually), also to change the view mode for a folder (currently have to go through the Folder menu or open Folder Properties). -- Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:23:30 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: RO In case it's a filter action you can assign the filter a hotkey. DW I'd like to be able to use a keyboard shortcut to move messages DW to a specific folder (currrently have to use F12 then choose DW the folder manually), RO So this is possible. Hmmm...not really. I keep one folder for all personal correspondence, but my personal correspondence come in on various accounts, so I read it by account, then do the F12-choose-the-folder thing. But there's no common feature that I could filter on :-/ -- Deborah Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:25:59 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF F12 doesn't do anything here. Really? It must be one of my own keyboard shortcuts then. TF However, what you want to do is create a catch-all filter (for TF example testing for presence of @ in kludges), make it manual, and TF assign a hotkey to that filter. Won't that filter the whole folder though? I only need to move one message at a time. also to change the view mode for a folder (currently have to go through the Folder menu or open Folder Properties). TF Why do you need to change the view? Sometimes I want to see, for example, the memo field in the message list; sometimes I don't. I have about three views that I use regularly, the ability to save a bunch of settings together as a Folder View is very nice - but I'm demanding, would like to be able to activate it with one click ;-) -- Deborah Christianity will be the ruin of America. - Thomas Jefferson Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:55:54 AM, MAU wrote: M See the filter Options tab, there is the possibility of only M checking the selected message. Ah, that will work then. Pity I'm going to have to do it on for every account *sigh* -- Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Quick Template question
I've got a QT which I want to use to reply to posts on an email list, but to mail the sender of the post off-list not the list itself. I know how to put the sender's name into the To: field on my reply, but is there a way for me to remove the email list address from the To: field? -- TIA Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 12:49:54 PM, MAU wrote: M You may want to try The Bat! Filter Commander Ooooh...I didn't know about that! Off to play :-) -- Deborah There is no greater American value than owning something. - George W. Bush, December 2000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Template question
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:05:35 PM, MAU wrote: M %To=''%To='%OFROMNAME %OFROMADDR' Thank you :-) -- Deborah We like someone because. We love someone although. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folder Maintenance freezes?
Several times when I've used the Folder Maintenance feature to purge compress folders, it has got part-way through, then frozen. It's not finished, but it's not moving. Leaving it for several minutes makes no difference, although the stop button appears to be available, it doesn't do anything. Clicking on the X to close the window works. Repeating the procedure results in a freeze at the same place, when I exclude that account, it just freezes on another account. Exiting TB re-starting it seems to have solved the problem. Bug? -- Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder Maintenance freezes?
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 7:12:07 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Maybe the folder where the maintenance center freezes over at TF your place is such a folder? Nope - it's an email address I use only for Yahoo Groups, since I'm subscribed to very few Yahoo Groups where attachments aren't stripped, there are very few attachments in that account. And there were *no* messages in the folder, only 822 within the entire account - perhaps 100 more before I purged it. -- Deborah Two thirds of Americans can't do fractions. The other half just doesn't care. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SHIFTCTLI and other shortcuts
On Friday, October 3, 2003, 7:34:26 PM, Pixie wrote: P I was messing around with the message memo feature and noticed that P if using the left CTLSHIFT+I nothing happens, right side works.. P Other combinations, say, CTLALTSHIFT+L work from either set of P keys -- left side of keyboard or right. P Can anyone offer an explanation? Is there any possibility that your computer is using a UK or European keyboard definition? On those keyboards, there is a key called Alt-Gr which replaces one of the Alt keys, which can be used for different functions, this could be the reason for the difference between how the right side left side work. -- Deborah I'm not as think as you drunk I am. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SHIFTCTLI and other shortcuts
On Saturday, October 4, 2003, 12:12:37 PM, Pixie wrote: P If for some reason the memo function becomes more interesting to me P I'll probably look into remapping the keyboard or some other P work-around. Just to let you know - changing keyboard shortcuts in TB is very easy, it's one area where TB is more customisable than just about any other software I've ever used. Use Alt-F12, or the View menu - Edit Shortcuts - and you can make your keyboard do just about anything you want it to do in TB :-) -- Deborah A license is permission to do something which is otherwise unlawful; it is a contract which lowers your status from free man to subject, member, or slave. - Unknown Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SHIFTCTLI and other shortcuts
On Saturday, October 4, 2003, 3:32:44 PM, Pixie wrote: P Now if you know of a way to reassign the colors for any of the other P panels besides the message preview and editor windows that would be P great! :-) You mean for the account list panel, right? I don't think there's a way to change the background colour in that. Presumably since your question excludes the message preview editor tabs you've found that. You can change the message-list background panel by altering the generic colour group details - Message, Colour Groups, Edit Colour Groups. -- Deborah A day without sunshine is like, you know, night. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
On Saturday, October 4, 2003, 1:35:35 PM, Vishal wrote: V Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv footer V then, instead of relying on users? Marck has already explained why this does not work, earlier in this thread. Only text which falls below the last cut-mark inserted will be stripped, which means that if you have a cutmark, followed by a signature, followed by a listserv footer which also contains a cut-mark, the signature inserted by the sender will not be stripped. I really have trouble understanding why this is such an issue. It's so simple to insert a cutmark, it can even be automated using templates. I really don't understand why people are objecting to being asked to use a cutmark. Reasonable netiquette is, imo, the equivalent of saying please thank-you irl. It costs nothing makes life easier more pleasant for everyone. -- Deborah We hold these Truths to be self-evident... which is a gracious, Jeffersonian, way of saying, Any idiot ought to be able to understand this. - Former Congressman Bob McEwen Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SHIFTCTLI and other shortcuts
On Saturday, October 4, 2003, 7:05:37 PM, Pixie wrote: P Hmm.. I looked at that and didn't think of it as a way to color the P whole message list panel. How does it color the area of the panel P that has no messages? Erdunno, didn't think of that G -- Deborah It's all fun games until someone loses an eye. Then it's sport. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat 2.00 and support for HTML
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 2:19:19 AM, Gerrit Kiers wrote: GK I didn't really follow the development of version 2, but I surely GK picked up support for HTML all along the long road leading to the GK release of version 2. To my great surprise this support is really GK very limited. Too limited in my opinion, and it does not even GK function well. I agree with this. It's not even possible to cut paste html into an email using v2's html editor. -- Deborah Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
On Monday, September 29, 2003, 5:46:17 PM, David R. Austen wrote: DRA So none of these are usable until I upgrade: DRA BayesIt, Popfile, SpamPal, K9, and the Bat's Known filter approach. DRA Correct? Thank you. I can't speak for the others, but Popfile works fine here with 1.62, with earlier versions too, I imagine. It runs separately from TB, so isn't version-dependent. -- Deborah Never face facts; if you do, you'll never get up in the morning. - Marlo Thomas Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Subject Flag
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 2:57:59 AM, ken green wrote: kg Do you also get the pop-up window each time the virus is identified kg and quarantined? I have the AVG plug-in too, but am using v1.62r and kg the free edition of AVG. Can you disable this in other versions? I'm using the same as you - 1.62r the free version of AVG. You can choose what you want to happen when a virus is received, by going to Options - Virus Protection. -- Deborah Never face facts; if you do, you'll never get up in the morning. - Marlo Thomas Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: V2 Some observations
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 4:30:15 AM, Gerard wrote: G 2) Restore from backup not complete GI made a back up and reinstalled that on my laptop but not all the Gmsg were restored. I had to do a restore, for the same file, at least Gtwice to get all the email in all the folders. GI had all option marked when doing the backup and restore. I just moved TB from one computer to another had this happen, using the same version (1.62r) on both computers. My common folders didn't appear at all until the third time I restored. -- Deborah A straw poll only shows which way the hot air blows. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new mail at top/bottom
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 5:14:40 PM, Urban wrote: U Do you say the Eudora, the Becky, the Outlook Express? No, because the names of those programs are Eudora, Becky Outlook Express spit G But the name of this one is The Bat. The The is part of its name. Confused yet? -- Deborah Canis meus id comedit. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new mail at top/bottom
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 7:08:32 PM, Urban wrote: Canis meus id comedit. U That looks like latin. I don't know latin. Translation pleease. My dog ate it :-) -- Deborah Invest in the human soul. Who knows, it might be a diamond in the rough. - Mary McLeod Bethune Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new mail at top/bottom
On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 2:18:58 AM, ken green wrote: kg I claim TB prefers descending (new mail at the top), because after kg clearing a Quick Filter (Alt + select: name, subject, etc.) by kg pressing Ctrl+=, the focus returns to the top of the list. Not a kg huge deal, but if that's your oldest message, there is an extra step kg to scroll down to the bottom. kg This is pretty minor - I can press the End key and quickly move to kg the bottom of the list. But I was wondering if this behavior kg bothered anyone else, or caused someone switch their sorting method. kg Heck, maybe I'm the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom! No, you're not. I also sort by date/time of creation, have the newest emails at the bottom. After purging folders, the focus is placed on the topmost email too. As you say, it's not a big deal to press End, though it's more of a big deal if you have 40 new messages in the folder and have to press End then page-up to get to the earliest new message, iyswim. Though in putting this into words, it has (finally) occurred to me that I could use Ctrl-Alt-Right G -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new mail at top/bottom
On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 5:42:05 PM, ken green wrote: kg That's funny. I *LIKE* returning to the last message viewed. So do I, but that's not what happens in the circumstances we've been discussing, I think that's the issue for Ken too. Usually, when you exit a folder then go back into it, the focus remains on the last message viewed. But if you change the view (ie go to view unread only) then return, the focus goes to the top message in the message-list. The same happens when you purge all folders - the focus is re-set, for every folder, to the top message in the list. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Disabling PGP mime support
On Sunday, September 21, 2003, 10:30:37 AM, Allie Martin wrote: AM No, there isn't. AM TB! is stuck in auto-PGP/MIME mode. What does the option in Account Properties - Options do then? Or is it different in v2? -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Signing outgoing mail
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, 10:51:34 PM, Melissa Reese wrote: MR AVG has been doing this for a long time, and I see it as just a way MR to get a bit of free advertising (a link to the Grisoft web page is MR always included). At least the advertising is optional with AVG :-) -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blocking Bat mail
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, 7:58:26 PM, ETM wrote: E My ISP called this morning to tell me the reason is, they have E blocked any Bat program messages. Made sense to me because I know E you use Bat e-mail program. They told most spam comes on Bat E program, and they have blocked it, and can't unblock the whole E program, for just little old me. If they'd done any research at all, they'd have discovered that TB isn't a spamming program, that most spam comes from Outlook (have they blocked Outlook messages?), that trying to control spam by blocking certain email clients is a very dumb idea in the first place. The Ritlabs page on TB as a spam-tool appears to have disappeared - anyone know where it might now be found? -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Are there ANY (anti-spam) plug ins?
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 6:48:26 AM, ETM wrote: E I notice that the website does not mention TheBat! Is Popfile E compatible with TB!? I am using K9 and assume Popfile uses similar E settings, but perhaps offers more options. K9 works well with TB!. I can't compare it with K9, since I haven't used K9, but yes, Popfile is compatible with TB (and any other pop email client, since it sits between the server the client - an advantage to *not* being a plug-in). Popfile works very well ime (I also use it to sort more than spam). -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Are there ANY (anti-spam) plug ins?
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 10:13:50 AM, ETM wrote: E Thanks, DG and others who have responded. I already am using K9 which E operates in the same fashion. However, I had the impression that E perhaps Popfile might do more. The decision comes down to whether I E want to train another puppy. Popfile's a very easy puppy to train - I was getting something like 99.7% accuracy within hours of installing it :-) -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 6:59:41 AM, David Boggon wrote: DB I don't want to open a can of worms here (or maybe I do) but what is DB wrong with using HTML in email? what is behind TB's relegation of DB HTML to the backburner? DB I've heard the purists talk of 'bloatmail'/bandwidth issues, but why DB is this such an issue? It's an issue for those who have to pay for it. That means those who pay for internet access by the bandwidth used, or who have a limit placed on their bandwidth usage by their ISP, or who pay by the minute (because more bandwidth = longer download times). DB Surely the enormous formatting flexibility available with HTML email DB outweighs the bandwidth issue. After all, we're not on the brink of DB bandwidth rationing, are we? I appreciate some of us pay for the DB bandwidth we use, but text only HTML emails will use a negligible DB amount of extra bandwidth compared to plain text ones. Isn't this DB correct? An email in HTML is always at least twice the size of the same thing in plain-text, since it includes both the plain-text version the same message with HTML tags. So while it might be negligible for each small, individual email, it's certainly not negligible for large emails or for lots of emails added together. Other disadvantages of HTML: - HTML slows the recipient's computer - not always noticeably, but it always does. - HTML email doesn't work for all recipients - HTML email can connect to the internet by itself. If an email in HTML includes reference to external pages, the user's computer will try to download those images as soon as the message is selected, unless the software allows the user the option not to do so, the user has selected that option. - The images within HTML can be used to set and retrieve cookies. - HTML email renders slowly. In some email readers, the page can take a long time to render. Some people won't wait. - If you send HTML email to an email list, it may appear on some systems, or in digests, with all its HTML tags - which makes it virtually unreadable. - HTML cannot be forwarded intact. Advantages of HTML: - You can put pretty pictures backgrounds font-colours in your messages. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
On Monday, September 8, 2003, 8:28:04 AM, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote: JBL I run Outlook and TB (I also use Time and Chaos for work task JBL scheduling, but have not found it to be an adequate replacement for JBL my contacts and diary). Really? What do you find that Outlook does with your contacts diary that TC won't? -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 10:01:58 AM, Alexander wrote: A If I want to upgrade from Office97 today I get a discount price on A Office XP, same goes for Windows v.whatever and whatnot. After A *years* and not within 2 months only. And you pay a *lot* more for Microsoft products than you do for TB. I'd rather deal with Ritlabs than MS personally. A This is what I mean with buy or die. If you don't want to update to A v2 within two months, pay the full price, and it came all of a sudden A after Ritlabs changed their beta numbering from v1.63xxx to v2.00xxx. A I'd like to call that a bit unsensible. I think someone pointed out that v2 is 75% new code - that's hardly just a change in beta-numbering. A And what a lot of people are overseeing is that the v2 license is not A one person but one computer. So, if you're using TB on your A laptop and your home computer, you need another full license AFAIK. I just ran the install-files for both v1.62 v2 to check. The wording in both licenses is exactly the same - you are given a license to run the program on one computer at a time. Also it's not really a buy or die policy as 1.6x is an incredibly powerful mail client which most people could continue using. If you want the features of V2 then you'll need to upgrade. A Maybe one day I want to. Maybe (or rather: certainly) this is not A within the next two months. Then I have to pay the full price again. A I registered because TB is an excellent program and I wanted to A support further development, but my personal feeling is that on the A other hand I'm not treated with that respect. I'm in a similar-but-slightly-different position. I'd like to upgrade to v2, though, like you, I'd like to wait for a while so that any bugs can be worked out, to find out what other people have experienced with v2 before I jump. But I can't afford to upgrade right now, so I'll end up paying the full fee in the future. Oh well. That's life. I can't afford a new car today either. Maybe I'll buy one in six months. Maybe the price will have gone up. Maybe they'll have stopped some special offers. I doubt if Ford will care how long I've been driving their products give me a break. I used TB! for 4 years upgrading everytime a new version was released and was never asked to pay a penny more than my original payment. A Precisely! You're paying $17.50 update fee for four *years* of usage, A I'd be asked to pay the same amount after only six *months*! Its a A rather unfair treatment of new vs. long time users, and I'm not A buying it. Look at it this way. You paid your money more recently than a longer-term user. A longer-term user has given more loyalty to the product. In the case of most on this list, they've also given a lot of support to other people using TB. And many of them have participated in beta-testing. So you've both given *something* to Ritlabs that the other hasn't. I fall somewhere in the middle - I've been using TB for about 16 months. Also considering how powerful TB! and the cost of most software nowadays Iw as thrilled to only be charged £20. A I stated it before. I beg your pardon, I don't think it is so hard to A understand: I don't need any v2 features right now. Yet I'd like to A 1. have the option to a reasonable update fee even after two months A (rather than buy-now-or-die) and 2. have the fact regarded that I was A using the program not for years, but only months. Ritlabs have made an offer to registered users of v1. They didn't have to; you can cite MS Windows all you want, but there are many software companies who don't offer any discount at all for current users when they release new versions. Ritlabs is giving you a break offering you a discount right now; that's actually pretty nice of them, I'm sure if they're reading this thread they're wondering why they bothered. Nobody's forcing you to upgrade, now or later or ever. You can decide what you want to do. Me, I'm just tired of the whining. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 9:47:39 PM, danger h wrote: dh I am afraid I must point out that I registered exactly two months - dh one day from the release of V2.00 and I contacted the author I was dh told that The update cost was Obligatory This is documented in dh this forum under the title of thread of Amnesty So they are at dh least not in the US honoring that policy. It's my understanding that it isn't a policy, but rather that inaccurate information was posted on the German website during that period of time, saying that those who registered TB v1. would get v2 free, that Ritlabs are therefore honouring that. Others, who were never promised a free update, are getting the 50% discount, which *is* the policy. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 10:52:58 PM, danger h wrote: dh I think the issue I am objecting to is there is no clear policy dh stated and others have received free updates, I think the policy's clear. Registered users of v1 will get a 50% discount on the cost of v2, until the end of October. Very simple. There have been some exceptions made for those who registered after being informed (via the German website) that v2 would be available to them free. That seems like a perfectly reasonable exception - a promise was made, Ritlabs are fulfilling that promise, even though they didn't intend to make it in the first place. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 3:29:48 AM, MAU wrote: I was expecting the html editor to be useful, because I do occasionally want to send html mail, but tbh I'm disappointed with it. M Have you tried Foxmail (it's free) to compose/send your HTML e-mail? Yes, that's what I've been using. It's slow (or at least, it's slow when you're used to TB) but it does a good job on html mail. I was hoping that with TB v2 I could dump Foxmail, but that's certainly not the case yet. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 7:27:47 AM, Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote: BBTE This program will steal your passwords and people will be able to BBTE see all your personal information. I contacted the government to BBTE investigate this company I would stay clear of this by all means. Hm...what government? It's a Chinese company iirc...I don't think the Chinese gov't is terribly concerned about personal privacy ;-) BBTE and this BBTE BEWARE!!! Secretly sends your password to malicious hackers! BBTE This program is not what it seems. My technical software analysis BBTE team has debugged the program and found it to be full of holes and BBTE security breaches. It doesn't just install spyware on your system. BBTE It also sends your password to most likely malicious hackers. Then BBTE a few months when you least suspect, your email account is taken BBTE over and un-usable. This program also appears to send your email BBTE to multiple advertising companies, hence making you put up with BBTE more and more ads in your inbox each day. There have been a number BBTE of programs that are silimar to this one, it's only a matter of BBTE time before they can be stopped! Interesting. I've been using Foxmail for a couple of years now. I've not had any problems with security, nobody has hacked my account, none of my email accounts has been taken over, I only get spam on the accounts that already got spam before I used Foxmail, I don't get any more spam on those accounts than I already did. BBTE There were a few positive responses, but many were negative and BBTE warned of security problems. Enough to scare me away! H...I just had a look at the negative reviews. There were several which said the same thing, word-for-word, but used different names, which makes me think someone's got an axe to grind G. Then there's the person who says it wouldn't work with Tiny Firewall (it does for me) so he/she had to disable the firewall to send/receive mail (bit of a silly thing to do really...). Then there's the one that says you can't see received html...yes, you can, you just click the html symbol at the top right of the preview pane. Or the one who says he prefers Incredimail. Or the one who complains that when he clicks on an email address on a webpage, it starts Foxmail when he wants to use something else... My personal favourite, though, is the one which says: Plain fact is there is nothing to equal OE. If only my OE would work ROFL! -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 9:45:05 AM, Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote: BBTE Just to clear things up, I did not write that. I quoted comments BBTE from C|Net. I have no opinion one way or the other on the BBTE application. Oh, I know you were quoting the cnet comments...I just found some of them very amusing (still lol over the plain fact is there is nothing to equal OE one - no, I suppose not, if your aim is get viruses G) -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat 2: a first glance ... and ... a disapointment
On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 1:53:58 PM, Alexander wrote: A I understand perfectly well that it is time for the developers to get A money for their efforts from those users who have been getting many A many free updates, but I wished the update prices would've been more A version#, hence age dependant. Being dependent on version number wouldn't have made them age-dependent - lots of people who've been using TB for a long time have been updating would be running the same version as those who started using it six weeks ago. A Not that I couldn't afford it, it just doesn't feel right. Be glad you can afford it. I'm annoyed about the two-month limitation too, but it's because I can't affort to update right now will probably end up paying full-price by the time I can afford it again. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Received Date - Weird!
On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 6:47:40 PM, Allie Martin wrote: AM Have you checked your system date and time? The received times are AM usually generated through your system time. Received time is when AM TB! downloaded/imported the messages. That was my first thought too - but Charles' post came through as created with today's date, if the system date was wrong, that would be affected too. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Name!
On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 10:44:55 PM, Allen wrote: A I apologize for such a non-technical email, but it's a question I A just -must- ask, and it does pertain to TB directly, so I think I'm A safe posting it as on-topic. I've been using TB since 1998, which is A if I understand correctly about a year after its public appearance. I A still, to this day, do not know the origin of its name and am most A curious about it. Anyone here who knows? From TB's tip-file: Bats are the only mammals to have evolved true flight, and most species also possess an acute system of acoustic orientation, or echolocation. E-mail messaging is a kind of communication without seeing whoever you are communicating with. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
On Monday, September 1, 2003, 8:33:44 PM, Avenarius wrote: A After reading all the sceptical opinions about v2 betas on the TBBETA A list, I doubted whether it would be necessary for me to upgrade. The A big improvement in v2 is supposed to be full working IMAP, which I A don't use. Same here. I've played with v2 a bit now, as you say, there are some nice features. I was expecting the html editor to be useful, because I do occasionally want to send html mail, but tbh I'm disappointed with it. If you highlight text in order to change, for example, the font size, you have to highlight it twice - because as soon as you change one thing, you lose the highlight. And it doesn't appear to be possible to paste html into the editor - I get an error message when I try that. I suspect Ritlabs introduced the html editor in order to appeal to a wider audience, but I don't think this one's going to do it. On the bright side, the installation, as you say, was a dream - fast simple. But while I appreciate that other features are to be added as time goes on, at the minute I'm probably going to stick with the old version, because I can't justify paying for new features I don't need our household income is zero :-/ -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Killing The Bat! without damaging it
On Monday, September 1, 2003, 10:14:45 AM, Christopher Brown wrote: CB Seriously, I laid out the template that way because I hadn't CB realized that TB! prints everything below the delimiter in a light CB color that is harder to read. And if you don't like that, you can change it - Options, Preferences, Viewer tab :-) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
On Monday, September 1, 2003, 5:02:03 PM, Piet Bossuyt wrote: PB http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/the_bat.exe PB It's in the beta dir, but it's the final. Questions: What is the price on v2? Student price? Has there been any clarification on the eligibility for the 50% price-break for current users? If I download install v2 decide to go back to 1.62r, can I? Or will I need to re-install 1.62 from scratch? What are the highlights of v2? -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Vote for The Bat! :-)
On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, 5:06:17 AM, David Anderson wrote: DA It could be partly due to the fact that so many writers in the UK DA computer magazines (PC Pro and PCW) say that it is the best. Not always tho...it was an article in a UK pc mag (might have been PCPro, I can't remember, it was one of those thick ones filled with ads anyway G) which was very effusive over TB that made me download it to have a look - , like the reviewer, I was hooked within days :-) BTW the poll doesn't ask which client is the best, just which one people *use*. Given that OE comes free with Windows, I don't think its current standing (39.66%) is terribly impressive. TB is currently in second place, with 21.45% of the votes, with Outhouse in third with 16.15%. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank mails
On Monday, August 25, 2003, 6:23:28 AM, John Phillips wrote: JP Some (rare) e-mails received are completely blank except for the JP header. JP How ever if I click on the Reply arrow, I can then read the mail. JP Any clues? Are you, like another poster this morning, missing the tab at the bottom of the screen which allows you to view html? Or are the messages maybe formatted in html using white text on a white background? Those are the first things that come to mind. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering read messages to individual folders
On Monday, August 25, 2003, 8:39:38 AM, Dave Kennedy wrote: DK This creates an incoming filter, as you state. What I'm looking for DK are manual filters that I can run after I've _read_ a message(s) and DK then press CTRL-ALT-M (for example) and have all filters associated DK with CTR-ALT-M fire and move the messages to the appropriate folder. On the first tab of the Sorting Office screen, down near the bottom, are two checkboxes - the first for Active, the second for Manual Only. Check Manual Only. The filter will only work when you run it manually. If you're only using this filter on messages you've read, put it in the Read messages group of filters, not the Incoming mail group. (I don't know if this will actually make any difference to a manual-only filter, but it will make it easier to find anyway.) The next step is to to to the fourth tab in the Sorting Office - the Options tab, check off the box which says Execute action of this rule by pressing Hot Key:, and then inserting the Hot Key (Ctrl-Alt-M) you want to use. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: stupid Q, But...
On Monday, August 25, 2003, 10:06:31 AM, Marek Mikus wrote: MM V2.0 has more than 70% of new source code, there are really many of MM improvements, only some of them are listed bellow. AFAIK final MM version will have fully implemented Unicode, bigger GUI changes and MM new filtering system will be in one of next 2.x version, upgrade to MM V2 is a good choice :-) And the price? :-) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank mails
On Monday, August 25, 2003, 3:26:53 PM, John Phillips wrote: Or are the messages maybe formatted in html using white text on a white background? JP Why then would I see them on a reply? When you reply, it would be quoted in plain text :-) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Linebreaks on Yahoo
On Saturday, August 23, 2003, 4:04:10 AM, Alexander wrote: A [every time I subscribed to - private/closed - yahoo groups with a A fresh email account, it took only days until the spam started coming. A I have no proof but I have the feeling that yahoo is selling mail A adresses, or something] I think you must have been unlucky, or failed to uncheck a box somewhere on your yahoo account, or something. I'm subscribed to more yahoo groups than I care to admit, I have about seven different addresses that I use for them, have not been spammed on any of them. I've been using Yahoo Groups for about four years now (since before it was Yahoo Groups, in fact, since it was egroups onelist). -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Copying all filters from one account to another?
On Friday, August 22, 2003, 4:26:27 PM, Jim D wrote: JD Is there a faster/easier way to copy filters from one account in my JD Bat to another other than copy/paste each individual filter at a JD time? Open the sorting office for the account which currently holds all the filters. Copy each of them individually into a Notepad document or similar. Now open the sorting office for the account where you want your filters to be, highlight the entire document in Notepad paste it into the filters. HTH -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: message 100 stalls
On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, 6:11:02 AM, DZ-Jay wrote: DJ It happens to me too, but so far I have attribute it to PopFile (oh, DJ btw, I use PopFile hehe :) causing some sort of error with DJ particular messages. Are you using PopFile too? Never happened to me with Popfile, I regularly download 100 messages at a time. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: password recovery software
A long time ago, someone on this list recommended a password recovery program, a free download. I had it installed on my old laptop found it great, but can't remember what it was called, the old laptop has now gone the way of the dinosaurs, thanks to a fall followed by a flood. Can anyone remind me please? TIA -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: password recovery software
On Monday, August 18, 2003, 9:25:57 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote: PC Revelation? That's the one! :-) - thanks! -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: can I change RE: into something else?
On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 12:26:19 PM, Spike wrote: S I refuse to deal with fancified and bloated HTML mail, especially S with all the security risks they introduce. Half of my clients were S hit with BLASTER yesterday, and I am laughing hysterically at all of S them that I warned and tried to switch to TB! Those that listened are S humming along without a care :-) So if I'm running *only* TB, on Win2K, I don't need to worry about this Blaster thing, right? 'Cause I've been trying to update my virus definitions on AVG all morning not getting anywhere :-( -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Secret features
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, 10:48:51 AM, Greg Strong wrote: I think. GS Like me, so until a new unregistered user verifies one way or the other GS we will both continue to think. :-) LOL - the I think applied to the a little over a year ago bit - I had no doubts about the multiple-account thing :-) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: diary
On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 8:41:58 AM, Lex Thoonen wrote: LT I'm happy having switched from outlook to the bat, but now I need a LT good calendar/diary/agenda programme. Time Chaos - www.isbister.com - nothing else even nearly as good. If you absolutely *must* have free, then Redbox, but it's not a patch on Time Chaos. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Another Q on the Worm (Blaster)
On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 10:05:29 PM, Dave Kennedy wrote: DK I had the same thing happen on my Win2K box at work. I ran it at DK home a few minutes ago on my WinXP box and it ran fine. Bug? It ran fine, first time, on both the computers here, both running Win2K :-/ -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on Date, Focus in Mailbox
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 3:19:32 PM, Joe Claborn wrote: JC 2. When I select a Mail Folder to see the messages in, what JC determines which message get the focus? It would be nice if the JC first unread message would get the focus. Usually it will be whichever message in the folder had the focus the last time you had that folder open. In some cases, such as after a Purge, the focus seems to go back to the first message on the list. It would be nice in some ways if the first unread message got the focus, but the current system means that you can flick back forth between several folders without losing the focus on the specific message you're checking, so I think I'd prefer it stays the way it is :-) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Secret features
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, 10:03:26 AM, Greg Strong wrote: GS It has been so long, but IIRC without registration you can not have GS multiple accounts. If this is true, then I would call it a feature. GS Any new unregistered users on the list can correct me if I'm wrong. You could certainly have multiple accounts when I was using the unregistered version - a little over a year ago, I think. If I hadn't been able to have multiple users until you registered, I wouldn't have given TB more than 2 minutes of my time. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BLASTER WORM - was Re: can I change RE: into something else?
On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, 1:23:08 PM, Alexander wrote: A The only permanent cure against Blaster (or any other worm that is A yet to come, exploiting the same vunerability) is to close Port 135, A 139, 445 for remote access from the internet with a firewall (even A the built-in fw in WinXP will do) and install the KB823980 patch from A MS. *Anyone* with WinNT4, 2000 or XP is advised to do so immediately, A read MS03-26. Okay, so should my *firewall* have protected me then? I don't seem to be experiencing any problems, other than difficulties downloading from AVG (which I suspect has more to do with their servers being over-run by people doing the same thing than anything about my computer). I'm running the Symantec tool anyway, have dl'd the patch to install right afterwards. Oh, the Symantec tool has just finished, it says I'm clean :-). Off to install the patch now :-) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to Send w/o Confirmation Dialog Box
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 10:38:47 AM, Joe Claborn wrote: JC 2. Is there a way to make the 'Edit Mail Message' window come up at JC a size that does not require horizontal scrolling? Again - it's a JC nuisance to have to resize the window to keep from scrolling. You mean you want to re-size that window? Just drag the edges to the size location where you want them. If you mean that your text is not wrapping, which makes it go further than the right edge of the window, then on the Options menu, you'll find Editor Preferences. On that, select the checkbox for Auto-wrap. Further down, you can find a Wrap text at... option, where you can choose how long you want your lines to be :-) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2 questions: re AVG Popfile
On Monday, August 4, 2003, 6:17:13 AM, Allister Jenks wrote: AJ I went through pretty much the same problem you are having. Once AJ you've tried your filter, have a look at the contents of the batch AJ file and see what you are getting. In my case, I was getting the AJ entire header content of the email at first. I'm getting part of the headers - From, To, Date, Subject Files. Doesn't it need the message id in there to work? AJ My template above should get around that, but you may find when you AJ look at the batch file it becomes clearer what it is attempting to AJ do, and therefore where the problem is. I've looked at the batch file, but tbh it's no clearer to me at all :-/. All I see is a basic text file with the email on which I've run the filter pasted into it. I'm not sure where to go from here - would you be willing to copy paste your filter into a text-file send it to me so I could try to see the differences? (off-list is fine) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Easy copying of filters to another account
On Sunday, August 3, 2003, 5:38:58 AM, Thorvald Neumann wrote: TN Is there an easy way of copying a lot of filters to another account? Highlight the first filter you want to copy, copy it (either using the right-click menu or Ctrl-C). Open Notepad Paste it in there. Now highlight the next filter copy paste it to Notepad too. Continue until you have all the filters in the Notepad document. Now highlight the whole lot, press Ctrl-C to copy it. Go to the account where you want those filters to be, open the Sorting Office. Highlight the Incoming (or whichever's appropriate) press Ctrl-V to paste. All the filters will be copied there. AFAIK there's no faster way to get all the filters *into* Notepad, but maybe someone else knows of one. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2 questions: re AVG Popfile
On Sunday, August 3, 2003, 5:04:00 AM, Marek Mikus wrote: MM they introduced new web and plugin pages are temporarily MM unavailable. In AVG7 is plugin included in installation package, for MM AVG6 is plugin here: MM ftp://ftp.gin.cz/pub/mswindows/the_bat/plugins/antivirus/avgbat10us.exe Thank you :-) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2 questions: re AVG Popfile
On Sunday, August 3, 2003, 3:25:31 AM, Allister Jenks wrote: AJ Deborah, I don't know if you saw the subsequent postings I made with AJ regard to Carsten's filter. My problem boiled down to the template AJ being coded for a Beta version. Mine is below, and I have it working AJ on v1.62r. AJ %SetPattRegExp='^X-POPFile-Link: (.*?)$'%- AJ %RegExpBlindMatch=%Headers C:\Program Files\Internet AJ Explorer\iexplore.exe %SubPatt='1' Thank you - but I still can't get it to work. I replaced the appropriate bit in Carsten's filter with the bit you gave me above, then cut pasted the whole filter into the Sorting Office, but no luck. I'm getting something that looks like it might be a DOS screen when I try it - but it flashes up so briefly I can't tell. It's not doing anything for POPfile as far as I can tell :-( -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Easy copying of filters to another account
On Sunday, August 3, 2003, 9:44:51 AM, Thorvald Neumann wrote: TN I wish there where global filters which work with all accounts... You *could* set up a filter in each account which would move *every* email to a particular account, then set up global filters for *that* account - which would do the same thing, but it's not ideal :-/ -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB freezing on exit
I've experienced this problem twice now, am wondering what's causing it. I've tried to shut down TB, it appears to shut down (purges the folders it's supposed to on exit) but is still on the screen, indeed I can still use it - though instead of a cursor, I have the little hourglass icon which normally tells you to wait. If I try to close TB down *again* (by clicking on the upper-right corner X, or using the menus), I get the message that it's working on something do I want to exit when it's done (can't remember the wording on that, but you all know the message I mean). But the Connection Centre isn't active, and the window that tells you it's purging folders has gone. At this point I can't even shut down my computer using the Start-Shut Down command, because it immediately jumps back to TB, which tells me it's doing something again. I've tried checking in the Task Manager, but TB is not shown as one of the programs running. It *is*, however, shown on the list of active processes, it's only by ending this process in Task Manager that I can shut TB down. When I restart it, I lose any settings made since the last time it was closed properly. Any ideas? -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2 questions: re AVG Popfile
Question 1: Where can I find the Grisoft AVG plug-in for TB? I looked in the TBUDL archives, but the Grisoft page mentioned there is no longer on the Grisoft site. Question 2: While looking in the archives for this info, I came across a thread titled First email client with built in Popfile. In this thread, Carsten Thonges gave a cut paste for a filter which could be used to re-classify messages easily using a TB shortcut. I've tried to copy paste the filter, changing the Opera bit to a Mozilla bit (since that's my browser of choice) but it isn't working for me - is there anyone who would be willing to have a look at it to see if they can get it to work? TIA :-) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: copy filter rules into another account ?
On Thursday, July 31, 2003, 10:42:37 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Focus the filter. Right-click on it in the filter-list, choose TF copy. TF Go to the other account, open the filter list, right-click on it, TF choose paste. The filter will be added at the bottom. If you have more than one filter to copy, you can also do this by pasting them into Notepad (right-click, copy, go to Notepad, paste) then copying the entire list, pasting it into the new account. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving Messages from full window view
On Friday, August 1, 2003, 3:40:51 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: RO Try to edit a shortcut: View - Edit shortcuts Isn't there already a shortcut? F12 does it on my system - I don't think that's a shortcut I edited, I think it was already there. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving Messages from full window view
On Friday, August 1, 2003, 5:52:01 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: DW Isn't there already a shortcut? F12 does it on my system - I don't DW think that's a shortcut I edited, I think it was already there. RO Not on my system. And I don't have any edited shortcuts, nor did I RO delete any. Hmmm...its on the Message drop-down menu - it says Move to folder...F12. Ah, I just played with it changed it to F10. Now it says Move to folder...F10. I never knew the menus changed to follow your shortcut edits - cool :-) Anyway, if it's a shortcut someone wants, it's an easy thing to make - Christian, have you worked it out? -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Filters don't work
On Monday, July 28, 2003, 7:45:08 PM, Granville Cousins wrote: GC How can I set my filters to capture this stuff that does'nt rely on GC the email address or the subject line being identical on each GC mail-out. You could use something like Popfile or Spampal, something which looks at what's contained in the mail using a database of thousands of words, rather than just the filters you've set up, which look for only repeats (or close-to-repeats) of the spam you've already received. If it's getting really bad, or if it wouldn't cause you a huge amount of trouble, you could change your email address, use different email addresses for different purposes, including one disposable address that you always use for webpages, newsgroups etc - since that's where most spammers acquire addresses. HTH -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
