Re: Mail database in Dropbox
Hello Thomas, Am Di., 30. Nov. 2021 um 11:23 Uhr schrieb Thomas Fernandez ML < thomas.f...@gmx.net>: > Disadvantage of the whole idea: Each time a mail check happens, the *.TBB > files are updated and hence Dropbox uploads the whole file. On a metered > connection, this can become very expensive... > It was worth trying out, though. > Honestly that is exactly what IMAP has been around for years. Might be better to explore that path... Best regards Johannes Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 550-Host is listed in the UCEProtect RBL
Dear Tom, 2008/7/12 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just tried to post two queries re the new (for me) version 4.0.24. One query made it, the other was returned with a bounce message: If you can provide me (off-list) with the complete error message/bounce, I can tell you which SMTP server is blocked. Best regards, Johannes Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Potential downtime warning
Dear Marck, Dear Chris, 2008/3/27, Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: C On message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] my C carefully crafted TBUDL filter (based on List-Id) broke. Oops. The List-ID should be back to what it was used to be, so your filters should work again. Best regards, Johannes Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem about the SSL authentication
Dear Mavers, On 07:51 15.09.2004, you [Mavers] wrote... What do you mean stunnel solution? Does it mean that I use an unsecured connection? The server disables the plain unsecured connection and only accepts the SSL.. so it's very annoying No, I was suggesting that you install stunnel on your machine, and set it up to forward say your local port 1025 to your mail server. Stunnel is a SSL wrapper, which means that it will handle the encryption stuff. You then configure TB to send your mail to localhost with port 1025, and stunnel will take care of the rest ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Heaven doesn't want me and Hell's afraid I'll take over. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ASMTP?
Dear Roelof, On 23:22 23.09.2004, you [Roelof Otten] wrote... You didn't make a typo? Because its dns resolves to eight ip-addresses and when I start a telnet session there is something that apparently doesn't like me, because the session is reset immediately, but I guess that might be because I'm from outside of their network. Using smtpauth.earthlink.net should really work, they do support AUTH (ASMTP): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ telnet smtpauth.earthlink.net 25 Trying 209.86.89.201... Connected to smtpauth100.earthlink.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220-smtpauth00.mail.atl.earthlink.net ESMTP Exim 4.34 #4 Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:36:43 -0400 220-NO UCE. EarthLink does not authorize the use of its computers or network 220 equipment to accept, transmit, or distribute unsolicited e-mail. ehlo pp 250-smtpauth00.mail.atl.earthlink.net Hello hera.geschkult.fu-berlin.de [160.45.213.11] 250-SIZE 10485760 250-PIPELINING 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN CRAM-MD5 250-STARTTLS 250 HELP quit 221 smtpauth00.mail.atl.earthlink.net closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. If it doesn't work from The Bat!, please copy the errors from the account log... Thanks! HTH! Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mein Gewissen ist rein... ich hab' es nie benutzt Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AOL SMTP
Dear Chris, On 03:26 20.09.2004, you [Chris] wrote... AOL uses a proprietary version of IMAP that is only compatiable with the AOL client and Netscape 7. Unfortunately, it won't work with The Bat! Are you sure? It looks okay from here: * OK imap-m05 v37.3 server ready CAPABILITY CAPABILITY * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ XAOL-ENVELOPE XAOL-NETMAIL XAOL-OPTION XAOL.BODY STRUCTURE XAOL-FILTER QUOTA NAMESPACE CAPABILITY OK CAPABILITY completed LOGOUT LOGOUT * BYE IMAP4rev1 Server logging out LOGOUT OK LOGOUT completed The servers are imap.de.aol.com:143 and smtp.de.aol.com:25 (requires SMTP AUTH if not dialled in through AOL). HTH! Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sign on electricity station - Warning! To touch the overhead wires means instant death. Anyone touching them will be prosecuted! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem about the SSL authentication
Hi there Mavers, On 02:03 13.09.2004, you [Mavers] wrote... But if I use the plain unsecured connection, the server will not let me get the letter. And I can't ask the admin to modify the protocol because it's our company's mail system which is so large thus can't be modified easily. Mhhh. Then I'd recommend trying the suggested stunnel solution... It is not nice, but it's better than nothing... Anyway thanks for your help. You're welcome! Cheers, Johannes mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sign on electricity station - Warning! To touch the overhead wires means instant death. Anyone touching them will be prosecuted! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem about the SSL authentication
Hi there Jiang, On 07:20 10.09.2004, you [Jiang Xu] wrote... How can I resolve this problem? Does that mean I can't get letters from that TLS protocol version 3.0 server? It means that your POP3 server only supports an unsecure version of the SSL protocol. Unfortunately, TheBat does not allow one to overcome this, in fact you need to use a plain unsecured connection instead or have the server administrator update the SSL protocol on the server. :-( Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Don't hit a man when he's down -- kick him; it's easier. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: tbudl archives?
Hi Jon, On 05:01 03.09.2004, you [jwayne] wrote... What happened to the Bat archives? The link from Silverstones has http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com/ The archives are on mail-archive.org http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl%40thebat.dutaint.com/ or on GMane http://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.the-bat.user I just get a page that has the specs of a wimpy machine... The list server doesn't need to be an IBM eSeries server, it works very well *g* Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you can't be good, be careful. If you can't be careful, give me a call. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
Dear Marten, On 17:15 14.07.2004, you wrote... I am also autochecking multiple accounts and using Popfile, but it works without problems on my machine. So it's probably not that then. I experience the same problem using Spampal. Note that there is only one account that gets locked, but its not always the same one. Have to kill TB in the task manager as well to exit... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Illinois isn't exactly the land that God forgot -- it's more like the land He's trying to ignore. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Howto
Dear Raymund, On 13:06 18.07.2004, you [Raymund Thomas Tump] wrote... I asked because I want to test IMAP with GMX and get weird behaviour. My connection center never closes and shows an IMAP GMX - IMAP in the task list. But it seems there is nothing to do. This is expected behaviour for an IMAP connection. IMAP basically keeps all your messages on the server, so The Bat needs to stay connected while you're working with them. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP Servers
Dear John, On 13:27 23.06.2004, you [John Phillips] wrote... I need to change smtp server all the time :(. No need with your own SMTP server. Then he would need no change the smarthost configuration each time, because neither his mail program nor any SMTP server running on his computer is allowed to connect to a remote mailserver. His ISP is blocking it, there's nothing that a program or even a remote server he could authenticate against could do about it. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help! Something ate my mail!
Dear Barry, On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, newsroom wrote: 6/3/2004, 15:11:47: FETCH - Received message from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size: 43024 bytes, subject: Mail Delivery (failure [EMAIL PROTECTED]) !6/3/2004, 15:11:47: FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOCUME~1\BARRYT~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat1429.tmp) Look at the subjects, those are virus worms spreading... I checked C:\DOCUME~1\BARRYT~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\, but I have no idea why The Bat! could not store the messages or why the earlier messages disappeared. Does anyone have any thoughts? You run an antivirus program in the background, which denied TB from accessing the temp files because they contain a worm. HTH, Johannes -- Pine on Solaris, let's see if the sig delimiter is right... ;-) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Challenge / reponse systems
Dear Randy, On 04:59 09.05.2004, you wrote... First of all, It's not me. I don't use RiskFreeMail. I use Mailblocks. Please don't punish ALL Challenge/response spam filter services. Some, like Mailblocks, have provisions for handling mailing lists and the like, as follows: [...] Mailblocks is innocent! :-) I'd go and say that a C/R-system that is transparent and does not bother the mailing list subscribers is okay[1]. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] Yes, you're right, the admins won't notice that you're using such a system. We're rather targeting the bad(ly) implentations... -- To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated but not be able to say it. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: avc broadband
Dear Ken, On 19:30 07.05.2004, you [Ken Walsh] wrote... I`m sure it can as I was at a chaps house with the same set up and avc emailed him instructions what to do/how to do it. I never read the email to see how it could be done. I`ll have to check with avc and get it from the horses mouth. The only thing is they will no nothing about `thebat` will only be O.E. I bet Please tell them you're using Outlook Express and need the instructions, and post whatever you get back here, so we can extrapolate what is needed for The Bat. But, still, I promise you, as long as you can access the sattelite link only over HTTP (=proxy !), then you will not be able to use POP3 or SMTP or IMAP (which are not HTTP stateless protocols)... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You know you've been spending too much time on the computer when your friend misdates a check, and you suggest adding a ++ to fix it. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's with the TB archives?
Dear Jon, On 16:09 10.05.2004, you [jwayne] wrote... Note that while nntp: URLs specify a unique location for the article resource, most NNTP servers currently on the Internet today areconfigured only to allow access from local clients, and thus nntp URLs do not designate globally accessible resources. Thus, the news:form of URL is preferred as a way of identifying news articles. The GMane news server is a globally accessible resource ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- When you make your mark in the world, watch out for guys with erasers. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: avc broadband
Dear Ken, On 19:17 02.05.2004, you [Ken Walsh] wrote... How do I make `thebat` emailer pick up my email via a satellite broadband connection (avcbroadband) the proxy I have in I.E. to use the web is http://www/proxy.pac I'm sorry, but (one-way) sattelite connections cannot be used for eMail. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best antispam approach I have found thus far for TB
Dear Thomas, On 17:16 03.05.2004, you [Thomas Fernandez] wrote... Not so. I have to manually insert each emnail contact with a Yahoo address into my whitelist on GMX. ;-) GMX filters out Freemailers like Yahoo, if the message did not originate from their MXes ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ein dreieckiges Rad ist gegenueber dem viereckigen Rad ein Fortschritt, da es pro Umdrehung einen Hopser weniger gibt Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Dear tb, On 03:52 10.03.2004, you [tb] wrote... [1] TDMA-style confirmations will break your list subscribtion management (subscribe, monthly reminders, etc). TMDA breaks what you make it break. Just my clarification. Gmane.org does not provide a whitelisting capability for people using their TDMA-tagged mail address. That's a limitation, and that's why I don't recommend trying to subscribe TDMA-tagged GMane addresses to this list. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow they may make it illegal. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Hi there Leif, Just ONE little clarification. On 23:22 08.03.2004, you [Leif Gregory] wrote... provided your From address is set to that which you have subscribed to the TB list, your message will post to the list and in doing so get posted to Gmane. Please, anyone, do not try to subscribe your encrypted Gmane address to this list. Just don't do it[1]. Trying this will result having the gmane domain in the server-wide ban file, ok? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] TDMA-style confirmations will break your list subscribtion management (subscribe, monthly reminders, etc). -- Your conscience never stops you from doing anything. It just stops you from enjoying it. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: DNS info, WAS: Re: TB blacklisted on Lycos?
Dear Paul, On 13:11 06.03.2004, you [Paul Cartwright] wrote... Comcast, so I don't understand where the attbi comes in. I had nothing [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ host 66.56.89.122 Name: c-66-56-89-122.atl.client2.attbi.com Address: 66.56.89.122 Your IP address at that time is registered to ATT ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF MS eMail CallerID scheme (was Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account)
Dear Greg, On 20:00 07.03.2004, you [Greg Strong] wrote... How do you think these new initiatives will effect those who run their own email servers /or those who use their ISP to send mail for their owned domains. It (SPF) will affect you if you send mails using your own server, but with the identity from your provider. Quick example for America Online: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ host -t TXT aol.com aol.com TXT v=spf1 ip4:152.163.225.0/24 ip4:205.188.139.0/24 ip4:205.188.144.0/24 ip4:205.188.156.0/24 ip4:205.188.157.0/24 ip4:205.188.159.0/24 ip4:64.12.136.0/24 ip4:64.12.137.0/24 ip4:64.12.138.0/24 ptr:mx.aol.com ?all Currently, aol hasn't enforced strict checks (?all), but as soon as they switch (-all), only these listed IP, respective servers behind them, will officially be allowed to use a senders address ending with @aol.com. Now suppose you have an aol.com account, but send using your own mail server, your mail would be rejected as spam. AOL, like all supporters of SPF, offers an SMTP AUTH server that you can use to submit your mails (smtp.de.aol.com/smtp.cs.com); this works with The Bat as well. If you're using your own domain, you need to enter the allowed mail servers, for example your ISPs mail server or any mail server you use to send your mails, into your DNS TXT records. There's a good wizard at http://spf.pobox.com/wizard.html, it might help you for this setup. HTH! Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you will look forward to the trip. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
Dear Marck, On 16:43 04.03.2004, you [Marck D Pearlstone] wrote... So, spam is still not going to get through! I think they have it covered pretty well. Well, as I said, I dislike TDMA, but that's more of a personal approach ;) Absolutely! Well, I think it's up to the mods. We might try? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you can't be good, be careful. If you can't be careful, give me a call. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
Dear Marck, On 21:51 03.03.2004, you [Marck D Pearlstone] wrote... Have you checked out GMane? Are the flames about GMane. It seems to answer all of the criticisms you raise. http://www.gmane.org/ I checked there site. Well, we might try, allthough I dislike TDMA stuf, especially in connection with mailing lists. Honestly, we might still get spammed, because even with TDMA, they forward mails to the real addresses, only that the spam is addressed to the forwarding mail address @gmane.org. All addresses are encrypted and not exposed. Threading is maintained. Posting can only be achieved by joining the mailing list and sending there. It's like Usenet with all the grubby bits shaved off. So we'd go for a read-only group there, right? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configure X-Header field
Dear Carsten, On 01:09 26.02.2004, you [Carsten Guthardt-Schulz] wrote... Is the practise of blocking other SMTP servers common among North American ISPs? What's the sense of it? Sympatico says it's to It is quite common for big as in cable or residential DSL ISPs (AOL included!), which this way hope to cut down spamming customers, which are then required to use the in-house mail servers, and as such can be easier traced. I remember Earthlink having a policy that you need to be a good customer for a few months before they will unblock port 25 for you. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Erst wenn die letzte Netiquette zertreten, der letzte Checkgroups misachtet, die letzte Gruppe totverschoben und die letzte Hierarchie gelöscht wurde, dann werdet ihr merken, dass HTML euch nicht antworten kann. + M. Mehring in dcpmn + Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configure X-Header field
Dear Terry, On 16:57 25.02.2004, you [Terry] wrote... Have you tried using TLS? Some ISPs only block port 25 but don't block TLS on port 465. Also, I can highly recommend this service - Another try would be port 587 (submission port), which is basically TLS+SMTP AUTH, controlled relaying so to speak. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Remember, drive defensively! And of course, the best defense is a good offense! Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
Dear Allie, On 11:52 01.03.2004, you [Allie Martin] wrote... The news group will be simply a mirror or the mailing list and not a Now this would be the *wrongest* thing to do! It combines the evils[1] of both systems! Try to ask in Usenet about gates, and you will be flamed :)) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] Lost Threading, because NNTP and Mailinglists use differend threading methods, open to spamming because via the newsgroup, *everyone* including fake addresses can post to the mailing list as well, etc. Plus I remember there were objections to the archive because of the published email addresses, well when a mailinglist is gated, *all* mail addresses are visible! -- What I tell you three times is true. What I tell you three times is true. What I tell you three times is true. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
Dear Joseph, On 17:26 03.03.2004, you [Joseph N.] wrote... You're confusing newsgroups with the Usenet. Actually I was not, I was just catching up mails slowly. At least in de.*, there's a The Bat newsgroup (de.alt.comp.the-bat) alreadyl, so that's where I was misleaded. newsgroup can be harvested, other than by a third party's hacking into the system or a user's reading the groups at a compromised computer. So you're not seeking for a newsgroup, but for a private hierarchy on one sole server. That's different! ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Welcher Tag ist der arbeitsintensivste für einen Beamten? Der Montag, denn da muß er gleich zwei Kalenderblätter abreissen. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
Dear Joseph, On 05:36 02.03.2004, you [Joseph N.] wrote... receive some spam at the address I use for public newsgroups, but it's easily filtered; and I receive no spam from, and see no spamming posts on, newsgroups on secure servers that require authentication. Sorry. It doesn't depend on the newsserver. News is feeded through many servers, and it is very easy for spammers to feed their junk of to say de.* or comp.* Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A large number of installed systems work by fiat. That is, they work by being declared to work. -- Anatol Holt Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP: too many recipients / own SMTP server / PHP mailer
Dear dAniel, On 03:40 08.02.2004, you [dAniel hAhler] wrote... One in To:, 15 in CC. When sending mail, there's no difference between To:, CC: and BCC: addresses. Which ISP limits to 15 recipients? That's a bit low, I feel... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Amnesia used to be my favorite word, but then I forgot it. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS certificate problem
Dear Moritz, On 16:46 16.12.2003, you [Moritz Voss] wrote... IMAPS: mailbox.informatik.uni-bonn.de port 993 (imaps, standard) POP3S: mailbox.informatik.uni-bonn.de port 995 (pop3s, standard) (E)SMTP: postfix.informatik.uni-bonn.de TLS: port 25 (smtp, standard), only internal TLS and optional AUTH: port 587 (submission), SSL and optional AUTH: port 465 (formerly smtps) More and more unviersities settle over to use secured means of communication (mail.math.fu-berlin.de or mailhost.tu-chemnitz.de). Nevetheless, the problem lies in The Bats handling of the certificates. Either, they use self signed certs, or they have their own CA, like the Humbold-CA (this seems to apply here as well), or they have DFN-Certs. Unfortunately, The Bat really handles them badly[1] :) It seems that it doesn't understand the supplied certificate. I'd suggest the use of stunnel, which you can download here: http://www.stunnel.org/download/stunnel/ Certificates: https://mailbox.informatik.uni-bonn.de/zertifikate.html This cert seems to be self-signed, with no connection to their CA. tsts ;) Grüße, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] TB hat weder inf.fu-berlin.de, noch die TU Chemnitz oder das LRZ in München zugelassen. Schade ;) -- Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS certificate problem
Dear Moritz, On 18:12 15.12.2003, you [Moritz Voss] wrote... What exactly does this imply; I have attached the certificate for good measure. Is TheBat not suited for this kind of certificate? Atachments are disabled on TBUDL. Using STARTTLS instead of TLS (contrary to the instructions of my university) will yield the following: Could you name us your universities mail server, please? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Going to church does not make a person religious, nor does going to school make a person educated, any more than going to a garage makes a person a car. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam reporting
Dear Thomas, On 19:12 13.12.2003, you [Thomas Fernandez] wrote... Are you sure? When I still lived in Taiwan, a user on this list filtered all messages with a .tw top level domain and never saw my postings. This list features members from the China and Spain, even though I am not sure about South America at the moment. Very well, these members should start complaining at their ISP for providing open relays. This lists host server uses strict means of spam filtering RBLs, including filtering out connections from IPs in most of China and Brazil[1]. Did you know that we did not loose any legitimate mail yet, even though the rejection log is filling up very fast? I read that most spam actually originates in the US, they just use open relays in those countries. Which still leads us to the countries that need to fix their open relays (and while they're at it, their open proxys as well). It is estimated that 50% of all email traffic is spam by now. The anit-spam laws don't mean to be a convenience to the recipients, that's just a side-effect. The enourmous amount of spam is costing the ISPs a lot of money, they have to upgrade their bandwidth and all. Don't even let these messages enter your network. Legitimate mail? Let the customer *complain* at their foolish ISPs. Really :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] Except for postmaster@, that's clearl. -- Finding out what goes on in the C.I.A. is like performing acupuncture on a rock. -- New York Times, Jan. 20, 1981 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[TECHIE] Re: Invalid confirmation string
Dear Thomas, On 05:32 24.10.2003, you [Thomas Fernandez] wrote... I found that the reply didn't work, but the link did, when I wanted to resubscribe and one time. Regarding the email confirmations sent from Mailman hosting the TB lists, please be sure to strip off the Re: when replying, and that there's *no* additional text in the mail, just the confirmation code, not more, not less. If it still does not work, please write me (offlist) and we'll try to find out what's wrong... HTH, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] list server admin -- Der Daten sind genug gewechselt, nun lasst uns endlich Informationen sehen! Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pop mail
Dear Thomas, On 06:55 02.08.2003, you [Thomas Fernandez] wrote... Ah - I stand corrected. Actually, it is not in my list of standard ports, but then, my list is a few years old. Where can I get an updated list? Usually, I'd say http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers but it's not included there anymore. Well, it was there. We'd better go to STARTTLS ;-) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ich habe mein Tagebuch verbrannt. Ich führe jetzt einen Sündenblock. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pop mail
Dear Thomas, On 11:26 01.08.2003, you [Thomas Fernandez] wrote... Make sure your firewall allows TB to connect to port 465. It is a non-standard port. It is a standard port. draenor:~# cat /etc/services | grep 465 ssmtp 465/tcp smtps # SMTP over SSL It's just that nowadays STARTTLS has become more widespread. Have a copy of Outlook Express handy? When selecting to secure the communication, it uses STARTTLS if you enter Port 25 for the SMTP server. Any other port will make OE use SMTPS, which means that the entire connection is SSLed, including greeting etc... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- When a Banker jumps out of a window, jump after him -- that's where the money is. -- Robespierre Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Secure POP3?
Dear Domagoj, On 16:13 01.08.2003, you [Domagoj Klepac] wrote... On the same server, with same settings, secure connection works for IMAP. I've tried messing with authorization options, but it didn't help. Why is that log so brief, it doesn't even report connecting to server or anything (with IMAP it's full of information)? draenor:~# telnet mx.ouroboros.hr 110 Trying 66.135.32.98... Connected to server1.ouroboros.hr. Escape character is '^]'. +OK [EMAIL PROTECTED] capa -ERR authorization first quit +OK Connection closed by foreign host. draenor:~# Perhaps TheBat tries to verify that your server understands STARTSSL? As it negates the CAPAbility command, one cannot tell for sure. On a side note, your ISPs server is listed in our/the lists MTA configuration: hosts_avoid_tls = ouroboros.hr : epost.de We had real problems when using STARTTLS, which is advertised by the mx.ouroboros.hr but which in 75% of cases led to an error... Perhaps the same happens with pop? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- What good is having someone who can walk on water if you don't follow in his footsteps? Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP authentication difficulty in The Bat
Dear Peter, On 19:51 25.07.2003, you [Peter Palmreuther] wrote... As it seems the server does expect end enforce the parameter passing method when AUTH=PLAIN is used. To sum it up: it's a stupid server and I wouldn't really care as at least AUTH=LOGIN works. We notice this on Exim, both 3.x and 4.x, together with Outlook Express clients. So I'd rather go for stupid client ;-) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Wenn jemand einen Feed fuer Chemnitz anzubieten hat ... immer her damit. chemnitz.* fehlt mir noch. findest du bei den oldfarts wahrscheinlich immer noch unter karl-marx-stadt.* ~ Frank Paulsen in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Received header, WHY?
Dear Greg, On 15:15 27.03.2003, you [Greg Strong] wrote... email header was NOT present previously, so something has changed. I do use ADR, but the messagingengine.com is there whether I send just through ADR or change ADR to send through ISP. May be that your ISP doesn't allow you to connect to remote mail servers anymore. AOL does this for example, among others. Earthlink comes to mind as well ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Jonathan, On 17:42 19.03.2003, you [Jonathan Angliss] wrote... The RBL lists would block 192.168.0.0/24 instead of just the later half of the range. I'd see this analogy, with 192.168.* being dial-up and 10.0.* beign fixed-IP customers. That's an odd stance. Last time I checked (and as you stated), AOL bounce mail to their own SMTP servers. No, I mean like this: A mail server gets an incoming connection from an IP which belongs to AOL. It refuses this connection except if this IP beongs to the listed AOL MXes. See what I mean? an example) for example. It just changes your name when somebody does a lookup. If you're blocking by IP range (which is what RBLs do), names don't mean a thing. Which RBL are we talking about? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- AFAIK ist ein Rechner dann relativ sicher wenn er ausgeschaltet ist. ~ Karsten Benkel in [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar build 6.5.8ckt09 Comment: Freiheit stirbt in kleinen Stuecken... Comment: KeyID: 0x73D62D41 Comment: Fingerprint: 69C0 50A1 C96A FF3F 3F09 6E91 F9B8 B727 iQEVAwUBPno+XQt4MvNz1i1BAQHDEQf9G73kwfuBgoc7iPdQpWsHpUjGGoZ9F53l 4BFVwmS0n3SVBmBhxuJ96N1XBEiwhVPmnnfj2qLAZk93XT5/5uyjXIJX+dZnkfQl nkSwFVVBprqchLl6tCLEbVVXB5J7WDkBc6cDeseiy4ZozSJrmot1bQPfc805HHP/ 7saBsRSKeATcR9R96eJBb/S6I3HnyHKR/wZXVDV159wytyynN/8s4yn0K7X5eZbu mv7yVzko5cR02RbbADfHN7u22HhJbKhajbvuYnW3klaaRGi78abproDNF/1qmQUU DuDXDOvkdmlgiQ2FPVFeiPnzAym+TisRm9MmIzV2lwdjq+jQa/g09g== =znmU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Jonathan, On 17:31 19.03.2003, you [Jonathan Angliss] wrote... Right... but it's not DSL... and what happens with addresses that don't reverse? The spam filters would be useless. MTA-issued error 451 Temporary lookup failure, try again later. No... but you can insert extra header lines... and that was what I was talking about... What part does the filter pick up on, the first line to report a receive, or the last one. The filter is at the TCP/IP level, before any kind of header or body hits the line. The header or body is basically unrelated. Ahh... I see... I thought you were talking about a client side filter. Server side. Client-side spam filtering is, mhhh how to tell dipomatically, well you already downloaded the junk so your harm has already been done. ;) That is of course in-effective when the mail is being received from another mail server. Which is normally the case in most situations as spammers fire emails through open relays. Of course, if people knew Blocking open relays is the birth of all those RBLs. Plus, BTW, an MTA can do sender verification callout, meaning before accepting a RCPT, it opens a connection to the MX of the supplied MAIL From:address to see if this address exists and can accept mail. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- I haven't lost my mind; I know exactly where I left it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar build 6.5.8ckt09 Comment: Freiheit stirbt in kleinen Stuecken... Comment: KeyID: 0x73D62D41 Comment: Fingerprint: 69C0 50A1 C96A FF3F 3F09 6E91 F9B8 B727 iQEVAwUBPno/Zwt4MvNz1i1BAQF3bQf/UzXs737HHfnuLC1Kt4MoxOyOTnkWQUtJ smYAe9no2rnM/5rx0dnkhZFRAi9orbHv1AVMOUi2UmIiZ5YyuChD4qqWs4cs0r5C AvM+epLqvghxff5EYPBdcKrsoam9rh5xsgoKdku2Xm9rlSIAr6dZBEjeGPASz03n 5sNwxk2hB8DD0ahA/h9pBY+dXTIBGixnH6cDYmnHAPJlxqn266Hd2yx4kEiJ0Ugj GI46cVCgveY26PbtFcivsrcCwMCCY+jcMxEOe9ExTXK09+yesg0bI9Ok/cOBeLh1 dgTu2FtWrT3xcQXkxyE6ubefmI4WKDJ101n7lOHNYSyaaVDGYrDZxA== =T4Vr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM
Dear Jonathan, On 17:29 16.03.2003, you [Jonathan Angliss] wrote... On 15:59 15.03.2003, you [Jonathan Angliss ([..])] wrote... And what is that supposed to achieve? And where does the checking occur. Resolving the IP address from the host wanting to deliver the mail. In your case this would be 66.228.134.123, which resolves fine[1] I think doing that kind of filtering is a little silly when it comes to spam. I get so much spam daily that has faked host details for the first 2 You cannot fake your IP address. received lines that this kind of checking would be pointless. Also check It's not about checking headers at all. The rejection takes place even before the client send his EHLO greeting. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ host 66.228.134.123 Name: netdork.net Address: 66.228.134.123 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ -- The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching train. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM
Dear Jonathan, On 17:24 16.03.2003, you [Jonathan Angliss] wrote... How the ISP sets the addresses up is up the them. Mine doesn't do it... but I have seen some that do. And you're wrong... the IP doesn't come from the dial-up pool... it's a different subnet... just some RBL systems block whole /24 class addresses, instead of investigating where the dial-up pools go from and to. Again, your provider should contact them to get this fixed. Please don't forget that Internet mail is a priviledge, not a right. There are many sites blocking based on domain endings (*.tw, *.cn), on so called rogue networks (all AOL IPs except their MXes), others block their customers port 25 (AOL, Earthlink) or redirect it to their own SMTP server, no matter which one you wanted to connect to and so on. It's about fair play. If I choose to operate a mail server that does not need to take direct delivered eMails from declared dialin ports, no matter if this is modem, ISDN, DSL, short wave, CB or anything, then that's up to me, and perhaps my customers. I've seen many site, including ISPs with millions of customers(!) implementing these blockings. If you have a static IP, which is IMHO the only one suited to provide real server services, then your provider should be able to adjust the PTR DNS record so you don't fall into the dial-up pools. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nicht weil die Dinge schwierig sind wagen wir sie nicht, sondern weil wir sie nicht wagen sind sie schwierig Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM
Dear Jonathan, On 15:59 15.03.2003, you [Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... Actually it is more than possible. Some ISDN blocks sit in the same block (/24) as dialups, albeit a different subnet mask. When RBL lists blacklist addresses, they often don't research into the extent of the range, and just block the whole /24 range, while the dialup range stops halfway through that subnet. Well, then complain to your provider to get this fixed. They should not take IPs from dial-up pools and assigned to them fixed customers. With a fixed IP, you should get your own PTR record and so on, and this is not possible with dial-up pools. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you put garbage in a computer nothing comes out but garbage. But this garbage, having passed through a very expensive machine, is somehow enobled and none dare criticize it. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM
Dear Jonathan, On 15:59 15.03.2003, you [Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... Actually it is more than possible. Some ISDN blocks sit in the same block (/24) as dialups, albeit a different subnet mask. When RBL lists blacklist addresses, they often don't research into the extent of the range, and just block the whole /24 range, while the dialup range stops halfway through that subnet. While we're at it, this is a quick copypaste from an MTA mailing list, targeted at how to block spammers: ***+++*** A few options that can be done, sender verification can be done. Create a filter that contains if (($sender_host_name contains ppp) or ($sender_host_name contains dsl) or ($sender_host_name contains pool) or ($sender_host_name contains dhcp) or ($sender_host_name contains .cpe.) or ($sender_host_name contains interbusiness.it) or (($sender_host_name contains cable) and ($sender_host_name does not contain bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com))) then [ Note Rogers.com uses cable within their sending mail server ] Lastly you can create a list of networks to deny from. ***+++*** Blocks based on reverse hostname dial-up clients. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Excuse my english. I went to US public school. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Marck, On 12:54 03.03.2003, you [Marck D Pearlstone ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... And here. I have a static IP address on a dialup ISDN. I have been running my own mail server for my own domain (silverstones.com) for nearly 8 years now. I have been a computer communications Then this is not a focus of a dial-up RBL! These lists contain *dynamic* IP ranges, whereas your fixed IP is easily traceable. somewhere else to do it. But more and more ISPs use blacklists and even SpamCop uses his Monkeys.com open relay blacklist :-(((. I can understand why there are dial-up blacklists. The biggest german ISP, T-Online, uses them too. You'd laught, they even forbid *their own customers* to deliver mail to their own MXes, requiring them to use a smart-host. The idea is that if you're a private cutsomer on a *dynamic* IP, which is not intended to run servers, then you should use your ISPs smarthost mailserver. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- The Government can't take down Microsoft, but Microsoft CAN take down the Government- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar build 6.5.8ckt09 Comment: Freiheit stirbt in kleinen Stuecken... Comment: KeyID: 0x73D62D41 Comment: Fingerprint: 69C0 50A1 C96A FF3F 3F09 6E91 F9B8 B727 iQEVAwUBPnL44gt4MvNz1i1BAQFMGggAjg0Rl0syIn/6iKDzIImAJGpGWoU6YDI/ 6dK8O01rbgnrHl7OMikbtb0B83Ie24rm5TZeUlIGccgELn1BawMc4tpbf1d9hhnY 8kS4As5Z3inUUTiciCFZl6otUXxMXt24AT5FKjrnrciU7zUb+QdWpUvAwOXNOoNk o7mhKPxBiKy3yiJO8Ta8TWaKaZtmJfFF2K+wXxwjMD35VCO29AGXfW7ntdNuIzkz muwjmmins3NR9WB7pA4XGZOCuJGMlO6Gt/9f1t3FFBezQI5FRqXOXy6Anzl1TVUI 1cKVcJdWWAOoI/9RYs1+Up3l2Chelq8GXIhmF9VTLc1spR2x0T5drg== =DqsX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AOL From: and Date: anomalies.
Dear Daniel, On 15:25 21.02.2003, you [Daniel Grunberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... Does anyone know if the problem is with AOL, or with the AOL users? These problems arise because AOL internally uses a non-Internet mail system. Messages send from AOL to AOL never have headers or so. Messages from AOL to the Internet get passed to a gateway, that feeds in necessary headers for the message being transported on internet MTAs. Can someone give me a URL for AOL's e-mail setup instructions, or possibly send me a copy of AOL's e-mail setup document? Sorry, I fear you won't be able to change AOLs internet mail gateways ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and PC protection
Dear Miles, On 16:54 19.02.2003, you [Miles Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... [FW] #1 choice Kerio PF [AV] #1 choice F-Secure ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Your lucky number is 3552664958674928. Watch for it everywhere. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ATT WorldNet Account with The Bat!
Dear Scott, On 14:00 15.02.2003, you [[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... takes more memory and is a possible source of other problems. I'd like to do this without STUNEL. Has anyone been successful at this? Thanks. Unfortunately The Bats SSL implementation is very picky about some settings. I fear you'll have to stick with Stunnel, or wait for a newer release with enhanced SSL support. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Stay away from hurricanes for a while. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Webmail to POP3/SMTP utilities for use with TB! ??
Dear Paul, On 12:35 11.02.2003, you [Paul Cartwright ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... notice I said for my free fastmail account. You can at least SEND hotmail using mercury's SMTP server. I've had my yahoo email account for so long I hate to give it up, but I use my ( IMAP) fastmail account for most lists these days. Indeed, I missed it ;) Sending mail should never be a problem, no matter which address you supply as sender. This includes hotmail.com. It may happen that some servers, freemailers among others, refuse such mails because they did not originate from a hotmail.com own server. FastMail is great, and would be perfect if TheBat's IMAP support would enhance, and Yahoo still sometimes support POP3 access (at least for yahoo.de). Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Today is a good day to bribe a high-ranking public official. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Server Timeout setting ??
Dear Rob, On 20:12 09.02.2003, you [Rob ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... mm, that's also a possibility ... i'll see if i find can anything on that. Don't forget that adding an eg 3 Mb attachment to a mail will result in the mail being well over said 3 Mb in size, as each attachment has to be properly encoded ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- What is worth doing is worth the trouble of asking somebody to do. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Webmail to POP3/SMTP utilities for use with TB! ??
Dear Paul, On 20:48 09.02.2003, you [Paul Cartwright ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... Mercury32 ( free) is what I use as my SMTP server for all accounts. For my free fastmail account, my ISP account and my domain account. Allie has setup a nice web page to show you how to install and configure it. While this is generally an interesting suggestion, it won't help as Hotmail does not provide POP3 access that Mercury could fetch for you ;) I'd as well recommend Web2POP. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Virtual means never knowing where your next byte is coming from. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help setting the *charset*
Dear Robert, On 01:09 21.12.2002, you [Robert D. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... I just set the charset in the template for TBUDL in the *Account*, to be Ukranian KOI8, or something like that --- I tried Central European --- and still the charset, in the headers, is always us-ascii Mail clients always use the most common denominator when supplying a charset. A message you type that has set KOI-8R charset but only uses plain US ASCII characters will be sent with US ASCII encoding, mainly because there wans't anything to encode ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- San Francisco isn't what it used to be, and it never was. -- Herb Caen Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave on server woes.
Dear Thomas, On 04:39 20.12.2002, you [Thomas Fernandez ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... What is the UID for anyway, since the MID is already unique? The MID is only in the headers of the message. The client would have to issue TOP for each message in order to see wheter it already has that message. Server ssupporting UIDL can give you such a list in one row. :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave on server woes.
Dear Craftsman, On 00:53 20.12.2002, you [Craftsman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... server, though a client should be able to handle identical copies with the same unique-id [oxymoron there, huh?]. There's always the message ID left, which will be a same unique ID if you're accesing the same mailspool... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing Messages from Outlook Express
Dear Thomas, On 16:57 19.12.2002, you [Thomas Fernandez ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... If your ISP doesn't offer web access, access your POP account with http://mail2web.com/ . It is very comfortable and reliable, and the Please don't forget that when using these kind of proxies for POP3-to-WWW, your username and password can be logged by the server. Don't use an important account for this ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The world is coming to an end. Please log off. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave on server woes.
Dear Peter, On 11:03 16.12.2002, you [Peter Palmreuther ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... The trouble the OP might be run into will likely be: the POP3-server does not generate the same UID for the same message every time. This is a known, but not wide spread problem which can only be fixed on server side. The Bat! can do _nothing_ about it, it's only chance to I know of at least one pop3 server that has this as a *feature*, to prevent users from using the server in an IMAP way ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Simon, On 21:02 14.12.2002, you [Simon Blake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- S/MIME and PGP? :) which seems to be a very small addition in comparison. *However*, if I then add my PGP key block to the mail as well, which is the true comparison that This is the catch. You keep sending your same key over and over with each mail when using S/MIME. What's the point of it? :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Wann wurde die Bundeswehr gegründet? Ganz klare Antwort! 4000 vor Christus, denn im alten Testament steht: Sie hüllten sich in seltsame Gewänder und irrten planlos umher :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar build 6.5.8ckt09 Comment: Freiheit stirbt in kleinen Stuecken... Comment: KeyID: 0x73D62D41 Comment: Fingerprint: 69C0 50A1 C96A FF3F 3F09 6E91 F9B8 B727 iQEVAwUBPf2mrgt4MvNz1i1BAQGnkAf/WegtWIUjsaQyAuz3LlHDj1/ElzlkXyWF G8NXcD/0ELnGEKUVykB8a3uj35QweA9Jy092cvAPtibYXtaXG73xEiJ6MWDSHyhE 4q1g8xIAld7xrBlDi+E7mZLbMi0uHqyrbEPYm9ysX9fgpf5Mk+FbflaYnhjB8C1E B056FPY4FnEUkJM+bgEmgZtp5le4koCqoXyBr4osu7lnKJBNPw7dKOoYNje8kpBz K0BUxIPnVfaXP/Rgf8hvGe1Rc+ufeVPKxq+pYQq/infE3DBFrZQTF4Sv6FzERGhS a6UYNxAS0knxFPQMw/3PUDg5VOXRjDArxZg0OWojTDd7iEX8mUt65Q== =1gFS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Simon, On 01:00 15.12.2002, you [Simon Blake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... This is the direction that we are moving in: technologies are using more and more bandwidth as they are developed and increase in popularity. Web boards, newsgroup downloads, graphic intensive sites, flash animations, streaming audio and video, software updates, OS updates, desktop delivery, HTML email, S/MIME, etc. all eat bandwidth, and as we are encouraged to use them the 'system' expands I don't think this is a good way to go ;) Sure, flash is nifty, but have a look at some recent sites, you can't access the information without having the latest and greatest browser with suited plugins. Happened to e just yesterday, when I was surfing around for a Maltese cell phone card. Know what I did? I closed the browser window, and went to the competitors site, and brought there. I think these great webdesigners should not forget that it's not them who are going to spend money, but the customer. And, BTW, downloads via newsgroups is a shame. Point. NNTP has *never* been thought of to pass binary data. Yes, it is done nowadays, but look how. Having to transfer gigabytes (!) each day, just to keep them for a few hours in your spool, that's *ridiculous*. There is FTP, there is HTTP, perhaps theres DCC in IRC, but really not NNTP. And, to be honest, eMail isn't suited very well either. Just have a look what the size of an empty mail with just a 3 Mb attached file becomes! I think this goes OT, so we may move it? :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Hardware, n.: The parts of a computer system that can be kicked. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar build 6.5.8ckt09 Comment: Freiheit stirbt in kleinen Stuecken... Comment: KeyID: 0x73D62D41 Comment: Fingerprint: 69C0 50A1 C96A FF3F 3F09 6E91 F9B8 B727 iQEVAwUBPf2ozgt4MvNz1i1BAQE7yQgApmv45NeRzQB8A2Diy07MhV48JGEL8XmM HBUmzcFZcEa4jvX0lUyg2kbwLcGuS+L6cogcbbDlZaFuUZo8pz7DwXwVt6AV2o9z yKs1A/0ZPw6i+F4L5h0aOLBIjhMcXFc4FzeOedyYEr1h8J61ct92CmdlzyNWcLfR JqIEj5tm9RmU8XwP+VODIlV34ozEZ0zrQTg0WYWqS09GI7/e6Ab6SSjFbkPT3Hp4 0frN6r1L15N9FTQ/YCj1MEwyhkMINsf9YyGlN/0V1C5ZJnYeVKVh1e5hboSprSOd 8AKoIVuA48p9+6H2KJbtX3hvqrJROmPiI5GG16HgkkxB14+ix8kYnw== =oqx5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BCC doesn't work, How to filter bounces clear the to field
Dear Victor, On 18:18 15.12.2002, you [Victor B. Gonzalez ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... I expect to get all sorts of bounces soon but would like to never see one of them. Why? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Manche sind nur tolerant, weil sie zu bequem sind, eine eigene Meinung zu haben Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Mean, On 04:46 04.12.2002, you [Mean Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... You misunderstand. The bounced mail seems to be formatted differently from other replies. It is made to look as if it came from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and unless one really analyses the header...well it works. I know it cos I have stopped receiving spam from at least 8 heavy spammers who used to send daily mailers. No, it does not. Would you please do me a favour and bounce me the CC: I send you with this mail. I'll show you then how this brings you false hope ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated but not be able to say it. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Peter, On 11:07 04.12.2002, you [Peter Palmreuther ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... But there the problem is located: ISP can't direct the double bounces to the originator and they can't fire all customers. So the result is: They can fine the customers for sending out mails with a forged from. Or they will throw you out. Try to fake this with [EMAIL PROTECTED], and look into your letter box a few days later. They have enough customers ;))) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Die zehn Gebote Gottes enthalten 279 Wörter, die amerikanische Unabhängigkeitserklärung 300 Wörter, die Verordnung der europäischen Gemeinschaft über den Import von Karamelbonbons aber exakt 25911 Wörter. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Simon, On 14:35 04.12.2002, you [Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... at all significant, and if a postmaster is going to whine about the occassional bounced message they've he or she has spend far too much time tracing back to a local Mailwasher user then well, what can I say accept, try finding another hobby! ;-) I think it is a good time to remember everyone that eMail is a *priviledge*, not a right. Mind you, there are still providers that do not offer you a mailbox. Then, I'd like to point you to http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-postmaster.php, which is a RBL list I've seen more and more deployed, and which would occur deleting mails from sites that do not know how to use their postmaster accounts. Oh, and before the mail user starts to whine about these mails being rejected, it is not acceptable to feed mail through an MTA which hasn't even a way to contact the responsible person. [1] Third, just like Peter, I'm having a look on several MXes, beside others the one servicing this mailing list as well. If you provide mail to your users, you have to keep your server running. This means that you will look why a message to one of your users bounced. If you find out that in fact this user *faked* a bounce message with your postmaster adress, you *will* let the user know that this was a one-time experience for him. See my first paragraph. Do *you* send you bounces as [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] Makes me laugh how effective TheBats random quote chooser is :) If you wonder, that was a *real* bounce. -- The following destination addresses were unknown: SMTP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you feel this message to be in error. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Simon, On 15:58 04.12.2002, you [Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... Huh? What are you on about exactly? To speak on a bit more ironical terms, the fact that my mail server accepts mails from you is a priviledge, not a right. Please don't think it is targeted at you, you're just an example there. Broader one: AOL does not accept mail from dialups. They deny to dial-up users the priviledge to send mail directly to their servers. And you will laugh, they have the right to do that ;) See what I mean? I don't know about others here, but I pay quite a bit of money each year for seperate hosting services, on top of the fee I pay to my ISP for an always on connection - and I only use my ISP as an Internet gateway; I don't use any ISP web or mail services. All my mail and web hosting services are paid for, by me, on a yearly basis, to an independant hosting companyand even then, the majority of my mail is managed by my local mail server, which I manage. Privilege? I don't think so! So basically you're your own postmaster, as Schlund/11 where you host your domain sends you all messages directed towards it. Which sender does your Mailwasher bounce use? [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Let me bet that you already got spams there. Wonder how? Well, you verified the address. See, there's another mail client, OS X Apple Mail, that supports bouncing. But this nifty client even leaves an X-header to tell you where the message comes from. Plus, every message that *YOU* generate and send will be different from a real bounce, both generated at receive time by a negative recipient verify, or by your ISPs MTA. You just cannot generate a real looking bounce message with an MUA ;) On a fairly small scale operation I can see that as being true. On a large scale operation, I can't. As you bounced off the spam, and the spam bounced because again you failed to recognize a spoofed spammer address, your postmaster gets the mail in his inbox. He will look ;) You'd wonder, as a REAL bounce has a sender of , yeah you're reading right, a so called NULL sender, which no client can generate, a double bounce would not be seen and trashed directly. But as your Mailwasher/Apple Mail etc. submit a faked sender, it will double bounce back. That's your *privilege* of course. However, I can't see everyone taking the same approach as you, unless of course there were compelling reasons to implement superstrict guidlines for a group of users. No. I bet that no ISP support desk will sit calm if you start to mail around using their email address postmaster@. Whadda ya do if I'd start bouncing all mails, eg false deliveries from the TB lists, with a sender of [EMAIL PROTECTED], so that your inbox is flooded? :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Illinois isn't exactly the land that God forgot -- it's more like the land He's trying to ignore. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Mean, On 16:14 04.12.2002, you [Mean Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... What about [EMAIL PROTECTED] Basically, since your mail client tries to imitate a bounce but does not supply a NULL sender to the mail server, it does change nothing but generates a whole bunch more of load onto MTAs. Please see http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-dsn.php, you'd need exactly this, sending your bounces with null sender and formatted like a real bounce message from your MTA. Also since I run my own SMTP server, none of my bounced mails are ever going to reach my ISPs postmaster or MAILER-DAEMON email account. In that case this should not bother tham should it. Since you run your own mail server, please configure it. Received: from [202.138.118.107] (helo=manage.24online) by stromgrade.its-toasted.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #9) id 18JbEm-0006Jj-00 Your HELO name is not permitted. You should supply your valid hostname. You should bash your Internet provider for not supplying you a reverse IP mapping ;) Nitpicking? More and more servers are configured more strictly. Example? I can set that the server always does a callback to your mail server to see wheter I can send you a bounce, if your address doesn't work, the mail isn't even accepted in first place. I really do not want to sound harsh, but I get more and more angry about waht people try to invent in order to get rid of spam. I made the experience that the best way is, for little spam, to just press DEL, and for more spam, to install and use SpamAssasin or the like. Specifically, I've made real good experiences with SA. I couldn't agree more with you here. But where I stay, I am sorry to say the spammers are not professional at all and bouncing messages works very well for me. Its recently that I have become lazier and do not use mailwasher that spam has started getting back to me. So what works for me is something that I was looking ways to implement which started my query of whether it was possible to do it using TB. I'd like to broaden the topic a bit. See this easy game: you receive an UCE, which wasted bandwith. The spammer in the majority of cases brought *millions* of harvested adresses for a few bucks, he just ships his UCE off and does not care about the bounces, because he will get many no matter what, as he brought millions of addresses that aren't fresh. WHY would you want to waste more bandwith again?? Oh, and for your fun, here's a little excerpt from the mail queue on this mailing list server. This is all mail submitted by spammers. Note the part with frozen. These are the doubleblounces Peter and I have been telling about. Frozen means you cannot route the mail to the sender and the recipient is forged. This frozen stuff locks your MTA, takes your I/O and is just scam. Here, it's okay, it's a rather small server just operating the list and a few personal staff. Think about scaling? 4d 1.9K 18IEbI-00012t-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4d 17K 18IEbI-00012v-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 48h 1.8K 18Iszk-0007S5-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 48h 2.2K 18Iszk-0007S7-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 46h 3.7K 18Iual-0007sn-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 16K 18IxQ3-SV-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 16K 18IxQ3-SX-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 1.9K 18Ixfm-X2-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 16K 18Ixfn-X4-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 1.9K 18Ixfq-XA-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 16K 18Ixfq-XC-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 1.9K 18Ixga-XK-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 16K 18Ixga-XN-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 42h 3.3K 18Iyv7-rz-00 *** frozen *** 15-3030-thebat.dutaint.com?[EMAIL PROTECTED] 42h 3.3K 18Iz0S-t5-00 *** frozen *** 15-3030-thebat.dutaint.com?[EMAIL PROTECTED] 42h 3.2K 18Iz0T-t8-00 *** frozen *** 15-3030-thebat.dutaint.com?[EMAIL PROTECTED] 40h 2.0K 18J0gT-0001Xd-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 35h 5.7K 18J5DP-0002oe-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31h 4.1K 18J93v-0003nB-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26h 3.7K 18JDYR-0004oj-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23h 7.8K 18JG9X-0005ax-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A large number of installed systems work by fiat. That is, they work by being declared to work. -- Anatol Holt Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Replace reply-to address
Dear Simon, On 20:08 20.11.2002, you [Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... ;) Yeah, I know :) Thought I'd avoid that. I am just very finicky, and I think it looks really scruffy, especially as the name is displayed as well in most clients anyway. I just like to see lowercase email addresses. Personal preference/pet hate, whatever g Why would you add it to your address book with a capital first letter? :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Virtual means never knowing where your next byte is coming from. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Simon, On 17:48 04.12.2002, you [Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... Fair enough. So basically you are saying that even though 'the bounce' may work on occasion with Mailwasher it is no more than a gimmick as it would be obvious to anyone that it was not a genuine bounced message because genuine bounces are rejected at the MTA, and not the MUA, which is easily indentifiable? Yes. Okay, I'll totter off and think about it some more. But to be honest, I Great! :) Anyhow, thanks for the info. You're welcome ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Very quiet ...
Dear Dierk, On 19:43 24.11.2002, you [Dierk Haasis ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... ... or do I have a server problem? It should run smoothely... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- In Africa some of the native tribes have a custom of beating the ground with clubs and uttering spine chilling cries. Anthropologists call this a form of primitive self-expression. In America we call it golf. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's up with the list?
Dear DG, On 15:29 22.11.2002, you [DG Raftery Sr. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... Twice in the past 2 days I have responded to a message here and it appears the list is hacking apart my messages. This is very unusual, the list server isn't a human where being nice counts ;) Any ideas because it appears to me that it's adding the list info on the bottom but raising hell with my PGP sigs. 2002-11-03 07:03:49 188Do0-00029U-0F == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out 2002-11-03 07:04:07 188DoX-0002Ad-06 == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out 2002-11-03 07:14:10 188Do0-00029U-0F == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=remote_smtp defer (-44): retry time not reached for any host 2002-11-03 07:14:14 188DoX-0002Ad-06 == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=remote_smtp defer (-44): retry time not reached for any host 2002-11-03 07:15:52 188DoX-0002Ad-06 == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=remote_smtp defer (-44): retry time not reached for any host 2002-11-03 07:15:52 188Do0-00029U-0F == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=remote_smtp defer (-44): retry time not reached for any host 2002-11-03 07:23:56 188DoX-0002Ad-06 = [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=smtp.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.204]* 2002-11-03 07:23:59 188Do0-00029U-0F = [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=smtp.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.204]* This happens quite often, it seems that myrealbox.com does not cope with the load, if you can call this a load, that we're putting on them. We have a few mrb.com subscribers, and around 25% of the conections are dropped *or* and I think this will be interesting for you are redirected to a secondary MX: 2002-11-22 16:36:34 18FFqu-0001J4-04 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mail.digitalme.com [193.97.97.75] 2002-11-22 16:37:30 18FFru-0001KS-03 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mail.digitalme.com [193.97.97.75] I think your mails are there ;) Just wait until mrb will fetch them and you should be fine. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- What I tell you three times is true. What I tell you three times is true. What I tell you three times is true. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence Support
Dear Dierk, Going back 17:05 23.10.2002... Sorry Johannes, the correct adage goes the exception *proofs* the rule. The German does eventually say the same, only the German bestätigt is a bit more misleading ... There cannot be an exception if there is no rule. Indeed you're right, and http://dict.leo.org was misleading ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:jposel;zedat.fu-berlin.de -- A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence Support
Dear Thomas, Going back 19:26 22.10.2002... Aehem. I was a manager for over 10 years and am an MBA student now. I cannot let this pass. At least not in this general form. ;-) You sure know the german saying the exception validates the rule ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:jposel;zedat.fu-berlin.de -- Laugh at your problems; everybody else does. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
Dear Don, Going back 15:23 22.10.2002... This server currently hosts my personal site, which has been up two months and receives several hundred hits weekly. I will link to the forum from my main page so Google will index the forum pages when it does its normal crawl. Should you want, we can set up the message board on the server hosting the TheBat-lists. Just drop me a note... Cheers, Johannesmailto:jposel;zedat.fu-berlin.de -- A New York City judge ruled that if two women behind you at the movies insist on discussing the probable outcome of the film, you have the right to turn around and blow a Bronx cheer at them. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence Support
Dear Jon, Going back 05:52 22.10.2002... Apples and oranges. Notes is complete overkill if it is used for email only. But even so, Notes is appropriate as an enterprise email system for a large number of users. No way that you'd use TB for this. A few of many examples: Forget your Why not. It depends on the backend? Who do you think's gonna beat a nice little Unix setup with Cyrus LMTP-delivery, which can be cascaded or clustered for more performance? TB password? Fergit it! Need support? Sorry, a mailing list alone doesn't cut it We're using a MySQL-approach for the mail users. If someone forgets his password, he can call in and we look it up (hey, that's what databases are for), if he still has it set in eg TB, he can ask the MTA to send him a reminder. Easy go, no? for most companies. Centralized backup? Where are you going to centralize the message base in a secure manner? (And this is coming from someone what has Notes for 12 years and hates it as an email system!) TB stores mail in a distinct folder. What backup program does your company use?! We're using ARCServer, okay it's not the nicest, but it can make daily backups of resources on user workstations. Or you can set TB to save the mail on the users personal storage on the servers. Or you can make a cron, uhm excuse me, at.exe job to copy the stuff to a network drive for backup. Or or or... She now is pushing our company to take a look at The Bat! to replace Notes. A perfect example why computer illiterates shouldn't make technical recommendations... Really depends on the usage, as you correctly pointed out. We've taken over many customers that had brought for $$$ MS Exchange with licenses, and who only needed a simple Unix SMTP and POP server together with a simple MUA. Don't forget that The decisions taken by often so-called management aren't the best ones. Cheers, Johannesmailto:jposel;zedat.fu-berlin.de -- Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggy until you can find a rock. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relaying denied?
Dear Doug, Going back 15:36 21.10.2002... Sounds like I may have problems whatever I do! May otherweise be as well that not only your ISPs SMTP server gets blacklisted, but his address pool as well. You could subscribe to some service like myrealbox.com that provide a SMTP AUTH server for free. Cheers, Johannesmailto:jposel;zedat.fu-berlin.de -- A jury consists of 12 persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. -- Robert Frost Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POP3 error: What's this?!
Dear Peter, Going back 19:03 21.10.2002... But it seems to be a server misconfiguration to me. Mhhh, may well be. P.S.: Couldn't reproduce this error, so maybe already solved??? No, unfortunately not. I'm using it via APOP setting, as the greeting suggests me the server supports APOP. Guess I'll call them sometimes... Cheers, Johannesmailto:jposel;zedat.fu-berlin.de -- Finding out what goes on in the C.I.A. is like performing acupuncture on a rock. -- New York Times, Jan. 20, 1981 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
POP3 error: What's this?!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear TB users, seems that I always attract server that don't want to play nice with TB... Did any one acutally see such an error message before? 21.10.2002, 17:36:54: FETCH - receiving mail messages 21.10.2002, 17:36:59: FETCH - connected to POP3 server !21.10.2002, 17:36:59: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: -ERR server does not support ISOCOR SETBANNER extension (Server is pop.wanadoo.fr, it's kind of a big player, namely France Telecom Internet, so I think they know how to operate one)... Any suggestions welcome! Cheers, Johannesmailto:jposel;zedat.fu-berlin.de - -- Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it--even if I have said it--unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. -Buddha -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar build 6.5.8ckt09 Comment: Freiheit stirbt in kleinen Stuecken... Comment: KeyID: 0x73D62D41 Comment: Fingerprint: 69C0 50A1 C96A FF3F 3F09 6E91 F9B8 B727 iQEVAwUBPbQRzwt4MvNz1i1BAQE+LwgAtE0I9GZQ6bWuA7ruvCcs2chFO/tDDs3J uBMZuk66AuRhJZjcgO5L30HbAJoXTACYtLmmUL2Kj79yPziefWXwZLEj3gIqo7FX 3SMu41N6LXvL/yGyq9pnRuKQEPD7gqgv6UsAztvBv513cvuVnW5mxAjYDN3EMIam +Y7d19ZNBuYJ7QVfjrBEKQuhSbtLoFjmaywn7RUD84njreRQcsF08GborgH4MzyU ScUKqJ2oElutyMi5ufIV7fFbjPaJthKDbdR0+v89nN3lIedhWbORlulEhVz9yxxz fatjpIMTO62Ok7MMmxQ+m5++A1zm1yzHWn+yU3QgnUnKQ8YjZ+k8dQ== =J69C -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: global option for smtp server
Dear Gerard, Going back 22:50 23.09.2002... Or you can use postcastserver http://www.postcastserver.com/ This sends your email directly to the mail server of the recipient, thereby making a providers smtp server optional :-) This is also great if you are a road warrior with a laptop. Another drawback could be that your dial-up IP is listed. Many SMTP servers block dial-up IPs froim delivering mail to them... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The following destination addresses were unknown: SMTP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you feel this message to be in error. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: global option for smtp server
Dear Gerard, Going back 11:56 25.09.2002... There are already officialconnections on airports, hotels and other place were the warriors hang out. Indeed it becomes very popular, at last :) But nonetheless, if you're worried about security on a WLAN, provide it to yourself! :) Seriously, you get the plain IP connection. TB can manage SSL, or you could use a VPN, thus not having to worry about someone listening. I think it is a great enhancement, and especially at airports where it can happen that you have to be 2 hours before the flight starts. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- La news, c'est moi :-) Pssst, wenn das die Academie Francaise sieht... ;-)) ~ news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
Dear Thomas, Going back 19:50 11.09.2002... Now I'm baffled. Let's think of a scenario: Because you don't have the root certificate in your AB, TB tries to connect and download it (I don't think TB does that, but let's humour the idea). For some reason, the windowsupdate file is trigged and redirects the connection to its site. Likely? Might be, perhaps he's using the *Microsoft* CryptoAPI which tries to get something updated? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Besser schweigen und als Narr erscheinen, als sprechen und damit jeden Zweifel beseitigen Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Closing the programme; address book and groups
Dear Dierk, Going back 08:29 10.09.2002... IIRC, there is no way to tell TB! to take more time; as secure servers tend to take a bit longer - I've tested it with several mail servers, from GMX to a widespread ISP (Puretec) to my local ISP (Hansenet) - it could just be the case that TB! times out without releasing. But shouldn't it then release the socket? I mean with regular connections, you can press Abort as well! Isn't this a bug, then? The best solution would be an optimised server profile by the SysAd. Well, I'm the server admin, so no luck, the stunnel log files don't give any clue. It works in 99,9% of times ;) Mind you, you are much better with technicalities than me, this is just a thought. ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- M ust C onsult S omeone E xperienced. ~ Michael Holzt in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Closing the programme; address book and groups
Dear Thomas, Going back 08:57 10.09.2002... IIRC you run your own servers. Do you have any way of finding out what causes this? Is there an open socket, or why is the thread not closed by TB while the connection with the server has already terminated? The server connection did not even begin! TB dies at the initial SSL setup :( It is difficult to reproduce it at will; but maybe you have diagnostic tools that help us find out what is happening. There's nothing in, I will increase the log level... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[listadmin] Please ignore this little test!
Heya, I knew you wouldn't :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- While anyone can admit to themselves they were wrong, the true test is admission to someone else. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [listadmin] Please ignore this little test!
Going back 22:39 10.09.2002... Heya, I knew you wouldn't :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [listadmin] Please ignore this little test!
Last one :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You have junk mail. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup strategy
Dear Jan, Going back 16:23 06.09.2002... Part of that strategy includes concentrating as much data as I can within the My Documents settings folder so I can backup that folder on a regular basis. Think twice before you want to do this! I've lost once a My Document folder, locked out by a Windows crash (!) due to a Macromedia Flash homepage (!!). The system (Win2000) crashed, and after reboot reports that your profile is broken, and it will restart to try to fix it. I let it restart, and this was my capital error. After its scandisk attemps, not only the profile was dead, bearing the Default user settings, but *all* under the user names profile folder, *including* the My Documents folder, was *gone for good*. Wasn't a good day either... ;) Vale! Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A nuclear war can ruin your whole day. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Closing the programme; address book and groups
Dear Dierk, Going back 22:11 30.08.2002... This happens when - as the message states - a task is pending, usually a broken connection, which TB! tries to establish. I'd like to go back on this, even if it's already a bit older ;) I *often*, meaning once to twice per day, have to kill TB the hard way (Win2k process manager - Kill process thebat.exe), because of such broken connections, which do not want to be aborted. Is there anything that one can do? It happens somewhat exclusively on servers that use SSL connections, and most of times even before TB logs into the POP3 server. I'm running 1.62b4. Once, I let TB run, and after more than 3 hours (!), I killed it because it really wouldnt sort this our on it's own. Thanks for any clues :) Vale! Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You never know who is right, but you always know who is in charge. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Diagnose filter
Dear Marck, Going back 17:11 05.05.2002... True - in the message ID. But is that a Pine MUA or an MTA? Whatever... Pine is always an MUA ;-) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in God. Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Website
Hi there George, Going back 03:16 01.04.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: ritlabs.com is not even resolving, which leaves nothing to trace. "ritlabs.com" is not in the DNS, they've only entered "www.ritlabs.com" [jmp@lordaeron jmp]$ host -t A www.ritlabs.com www.ritlabs.com has address 198.63.208.135 [jmp@lordaeron jmp]$ host -t A ritlabs.com [jmp@lordaeron jmp]$ Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Death is God's way of telling you not to be such a wise guy. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: Hamburg.de (was: runbox.com versus TheBat!)
Dear Thomas, Going back 03:34 19.03.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: That means I can become a member and use the SMTP service, regardless of the account I'm connecting to the internet with, and regardless of the sender inforamtion? Yes, provided your mail client supports SMTP AUTH, which TB does. This would be *the* solution for people who travel a lot and need to connect via different ISP's for several accounts. Do you have a web page? No, we don't have a web page. This is not a public service, it is "granted" on a per case decision, and bounded to the usual AUPs (no spam)... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- $ nslookup -q=mx . (root) preference = 1, mail exchanger = (root) (root) nameserver = (root) (root) internet address = 127.0.0.1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Hamburg.de (was: runbox.com versus TheBat!)
[...} I know, I'm talking to myself ;) No, we don't have a web page. This is not a public service, it is "granted" on a per case decision, and bounded to the usual AUPs (no spam)... If someone thinks an AUTH access could be of use for him, he's welcome to ask *off-list*, as this is off-topic ;) Feel free to mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- La news, c'est moi :-) Pssst, wenn das die Academie Francaise sieht... ;-)) ~ news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: runbox.com versus TheBat!
Dear Thomas,
Going back 17:22 13.03.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts:
When I visit my mother, her ISP ("Hamburg.de") wouldn't let me use
their SMTP Server unless my From and Reply-to addresses are
@Hamburg.de . So it clearly depends on the ISP's policy.
This is because Hamburg.de is not an ISP, but rather a "mail service"
provided by the city of Hamburg to it's citizens ;)
Anyway there are plenty of availiable mail servers that are not in
ORBS or MAPS filter system (ever heard of the K12 in *.us *g*). And if
this fails, you can always ask some administrator you know if he could
enable an account for SMTP AUTH for you. We do for example :)
Cheers,
Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: OT: Hamburg.de (was: runbox.com versus TheBat!)
Dear Thomas, Going back 11:08 18.03.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: Well, when she got the CD-R it inluded a dial-up setup, which I understand connects to an ISP run by Hansenet and is *not* free. Only the email address @Hamburg.de is free, not the access to the internet. Sure. @berlin.de and soon @muenchen.de will provide the same free mail to their citizens. Hey, they're discovering the Internet :) I called their hotline, which is in Duesseldorf or so, and the gentleman who called me back was very nice (a The Bat!-User :-)), but confirmed that I have to use a Hamburg.de account to send from, if I want to use their SMTP server. Sure, because Hamburg.de is not bound to an ISP and thus cannot check against known IP blocks. No haven't heard. Please enlighted me. (K12 used to stand for "education from kindergarten to 12th grade". Has that changed?) It is. These guys operate mailservers, that ar either too old to enforce anti-relay policys or that are just left somewhere for years. I always wondered why spammers did not find them... Who is *we*? Are you running an ISP? No. Gott bewahre :) Too much trouble. You know: "The Internet was build in order to resist an atomic warfare. They never forecasted anything like Deutsche Telekom AG." I'm operating several SMTP servers around the globe. They provide AUTH, SSL and some other nifty gimmicks, and work reliably :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Winston Churchill -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Digest (02/24/2001 22:42) Special Issue (#2001-859)
Hi there Russ, Going back 17:26 24.02.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: Any help or suggestions would be most helpful. [X] Show some logs! Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Glck ist keine Station, sondern eine Art zu reisen -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Confirm imap support
Hi there Mr. Fox, Going back 06:20 31.01.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: Probably allow POP3 on an internal LAN, but don't want people checking personal mail at work, or bringing in viruses/worms in school or something like that. The firewall admin probably forgot to block the IMAP port. No, no ;-) They allow of course everything as long as you're connected to the internet gateway. From outside they don't allow POP3 because *basic* POP3 transmits your user/password combo in cleartext. IMAP doesnt, thats why its allowed. You are free to use any POP3 you want, of course if you're dialled in as well. I must admit I can understand them! They're not an ISP. I'm not sure how you call it in US. It's a non-profit organization that's mostly funded by local government... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- While money can't buy happiness, it certainly lets you choose your own form of misery. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Confirm imap support
Hi there Marck, Going back 23:44 30.01.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: ... and MD5 CRAM. Both of these encoded login methods are supported. I use MD5-APOP myself. I know that POP3 can be made secure. I personally really enjoy using it over an SSH tunnel or secured via SSL. But the matter is not what I believe, its what the tech guy of a small e.V. thinks. They're perhaps 10 to 15 guys, not a real ISP but guys that are from local government funding InterneteMail access for their citizens (well until somewhat like a year, now only eMail access). Anyway IMAP support behaves like POP3 in TB so its ok for me ;-) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- When all other means of communication fail, try words. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Confirm imap support
Hi there Marck, Going back 02:32 30.01.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: Personally, I have no need for IMAP. If you have real and complex IMAP needs, i.e. as more than a glorified POP protocol, then TB v1 is not going to suit you. I would love to hear from someone knowledgeable what TB IMAP support does and doesn't, because one of my mail providers forces me to use IMAP, POP3 is blocked ourside their LAN... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Confirm imap support
Dear Andrew, Going back 18:29 30.01.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: This wasn't the design of imap, however, and so it didn't forfil my requirements. So basically TB uses it just like POP3. Well, to be honest, for me this is great, because this way I can circumvent the postmasters stupid idea of banning POP3 and enforcing IMAP. He gives no mbox max for IMAP, I think im gonna try this one day :-) Andrew. ThanksCheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- /earth is 98% full ... please delete anyone you can. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Confirm imap support
Hi there Lija, Going back 20:35 30.01.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: This is very off-topic now, but I'm curios: Why should someone enforce users to use IMAP and ban POP3? POP3 logins are transmitted clear text, while IMAP are somewhat secured. Personally I prefer POP3-SSL or POP3 over SSH... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Modern man is the missing link between apes and human beings. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.49 - GMX mail servers
Hi there Douglas, Going back 06:22 27.01.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: Don't use the above. Use only the following. Nope, sorry, you're wrong. SMTP AUTH is what he wants to use, and what he set in his GMX properties on the web site. GMX supports it: gatekeeper:~ # telnet mail.gmx.net 25 Trying 194.221.183.20... Connected to mail.gmx.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220 GMX Mailservices ESMTP EHLO pp 250-GMX Mailservices 250-AUTH=LOGIN CRAM-MD5 PLAIN 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 PLAIN 250-PIPELINING 250 8BITMIME QUIT 221 GMX Mailservices Connection closed by foreign host. gatekeeper:~ # Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Enough research will tend to support your theory. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Same messages?
Hi there Marck, Going back 18:21 24.01.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts: lost before the DELE command was issued to remove the already received messages. This would leave the message on the server by accident and have it download a second time on the next connect and collect run. What I recently saw is that the SMTP server cannot send out the message correctly: ... DATA 354 go ahead! message . Then no response. The SMTPd flags "connection to mx1.xxx.xx timed out will retry later", but mx1 already queued and delivered the message. It should not, but it does. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Responsibility always exceeds authority. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
