Re[2]: Splitting message base by date to store old messages?

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Thomas,

On Sunday, April 28, 2019,  you wrote:

TF> Hello Chris,

TF> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:20:04 +0100 GMT (27-Apr-19, 20:50 +0700 GMT),
TF> Chris Wilson wrote:

>> I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is
>> now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the
>> message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages
>> in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps
>> on tape or DVD? Thanks

TF> What I do is I "archive" old messages to other folders. For example, I
TF> name a subfolder "2016" and then move all messages from that year into
TF> that subfolder. This keep each folder with a manageable size. (Make
TF> sure you compact the folders in which the messages were stored
TF> previously.)

TF> If you want to store those messages somewhere else, you create a dummy
TF> account called "Archive". Under Account / Properties / Files &
TF> Directories, you to an external drive or a drive in the cloud (nobody
TF> uses tape or DVD any more). This way, you don't need to keep them on
TF> your computer's harddisk.

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TF> Cheers,
TF> Thomas.

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Re: Splitting message base by date to store old messages?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Chris,

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:20:04 +0100 GMT (27-Apr-19, 20:50 +0700 GMT),
Chris Wilson wrote:

> I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is
> now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the
> message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages
> in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps
> on tape or DVD? Thanks

What I do is I "archive" old messages to other folders. For example, I
name a subfolder "2016" and then move all messages from that year into
that subfolder. This keep each folder with a manageable size. (Make
sure you compact the folders in which the messages were stored
previously.)

If you want to store those messages somewhere else, you create a dummy
account called "Archive". Under Account / Properties / Files &
Directories, you to an external drive or a drive in the cloud (nobody
uses tape or DVD any more). This way, you don't need to keep them on
your computer's harddisk.

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Splitting message base by date to store old messages?

[Chris Wilson]

27 April 2019



I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is
now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the
message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages
in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps
on tape or DVD? Thanks


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Re: delete old messages

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 3 November 2009 at 6:34:06 PM, in
, Christian Buhtz wrote:


> It is possible to set the maximum number of stored
> messages and/or the max days to keep messages in a
> folder.

> 1. Are this two conditions connected with AND or OR?

I just copied some messages to a test folder and experimented, using 
"purge and compress" from the context menu. I found that the folder is 
compressed first and then the old or exceeding messages are deleted.

If either one of the two conditions are met then some messages are
deleted.


> What happens if there are more than max messages in the
> folder but they are not old enough?

The oldest messages present are deleted so that max messages is not 
exceeded.



> 2. I can set this option for each folder. But I didn't
> found a global  settings dialog to set this option for
> all folders global. Is there one?


I have always set it for each folder - nobody has ever pointed me to a 
way to set this globally or by account and I have never found one 
myself.


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delete old messages

[Christian Buhtz]

It is possible to set the maximum number of stored messages and/or the 
max days to keep messages in a folder.


1.
Are this two conditions connected with AND or OR? What happens if there 
are more than max messages in the folder but they are not old enough?


2.
I can set this option for each folder. But I didn't found a global 
settings dialog to set this option for all folders global. Is there one?




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Re[2]: Old Messages

[Richard Newman]

Hello Roelof,

Friday, March 23, 2007, 12:25:22 PM, you wrote:
RO> Actually I started to ask whether there were a lot of bat.tmp
Actually none.
RO> So I blamed the server.
I blamed TB because another installation of TB was behaving
differently downloading the same messages from the server. Thought
I was missing a TB setting . . . time will tell.

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Re: Old Messages

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Richard,

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:18:12 -0400GMT (23-3-2007, 15:18 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

RO>> When you check at the server, are they really deleted?
RN> How come you always (well, almost always) ask the right question.

Actually I started to ask whether there were a lot of bat.tmp
files, but then I switched into 'let's not blame TB mode' :-)
So I blamed the server.

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Re[2]: Old Messages

[Richard Newman]

Hello Roelof,

Thursday, March 22, 2007, 10:47:30 PM, you wrote:
RO> When you check at the server, are they really deleted?
How come you always (well, almost always) ask the right question.
No they really weren't deleted on the server. They are now and
then I get to see if it continues happening.

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Re: Old Messages

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Richard,

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:57:54 -0400GMT (23-3-2007, 2:57 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

U>> Account - Mail Messages - Delete received messages from server
RN>That is the setting on other machines. But, this machine will still
RN>manage to find 1,000+ messages going back a month or two.

When you check at the server, are they really deleted?

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Re[2]: Old Messages

[Richard Newman]

Hello Urban,

Thursday, March 22, 2007, 6:22:49 PM, you wrote:
U> Account - Mail Messages - Delete received messages from server
   That is the setting on other machines. But, this machine will still
   manage to find 1,000+ messages going back a month or two.
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Re: Old Messages

[Urban]

Thursday, March 22, 2007, Richard Newman wrote:

> What setting am I missing when The Bat on other machines deletes
> messages after download?

Account - Mail Messages - Delete received messages from server

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Old Messages

[Richard Newman]

Hi Batperson,

  One of my Bat installations seems manages to download messages that
  were long read and supposedly deleted from my master ISP account.
  What setting am I missing when The Bat on other machines deletes
  messages after download?

  Thanks

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Greg Strong]

Hello Kariem,

Saturday, November 27, 2004, 7:39:33 AM, Kariem Hussein wrote:

>> Instead of deleting could also export to file for safe keeping if
>> desired.

> I did not see any option for that in the Message Finder. But I think you
> propose putting them in a folder and then archiving the folder.

Yes.

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Jernej Simoncic]

On Sunday, November 21, 2004, 11:03:29, Kariem Hussein wrote:

> I used to think of Pine (or Horde Webmail), where the user is asked at 
> the start of each month to automatically clean some folders. The problem 
> is that I do not only want to delete these messages, but save them 
> somewhere in order to access them later on. A big part of my life is 
> saved in my email messages :)

I use "Delete messages older than" and have folder-specific deletion set
that Normal deletion just moves those messages to an Archive subfolder.

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Kariem Hussein]

Hi,
Roman Katzer [21.11.2004 18:34]:
The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
per-folder-basis.
Create a common virtual folder that watches all folders you have and
select a filter criterion (message older than ...). All messages created
before that date will be in that folder.
I think this is a very good advice. I really like the virtual folders 
approach. Especially for this task I would not always have to specify 
the parameters.

Thank you,
Kariem

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Kariem Hussein]

Hi,
Greg Strong [21.11.2004 18:52]:
Sunday, November 21, 2004, 7:02:00 AM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:
You could do that by searching for messages using "Advanced" tab in
"Message Finder" (F7), where you could do that by date(s) in "all
accounts".
Now this sounds too easy. I could do this every two or three months. Great!

This is probably the fastest on a 1 time basis although no threading
(Alt+0) should be used before selecting all (Ctrl+A) and deleting.
Thanks for the advice.

Instead of deleting could also export to file for safe keeping if
desired.
I did not see any option for that in the Message Finder. But I think you 
propose putting them in a folder and then archiving the folder.

Thank you,
Kariem

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Kariem Hussein]

Hi,
Thank you your answer. I just did not have the time to reply earlier.
Thomas Fernandez [21.11.2004 13:31]:
KH> The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
KH> per-folder-basis. I have to select "keep in message base for (days)" in
KH> each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item).
That's the way to go. You have to indeed set this on a per-folder
basis, but once you've done it, you're through. If you are looking for
a global setting, this doesn't exist AFAIK.
Ok, thanks though. This would really take a lot of time. An if I add 
some more folders, I have to tweak its settings again. But you are 
right. If I have set it once for a folder, I won't have to do it again.


Then, under Account / Properties / Mail Management / Deletion, you can
set it so that the messages are sent to an archive folder instead of
Trash.
That's good, I'll try it.

KH> It would be great to be able to search through the archives (=backups)
KH> at a later stage.
You can do that with the archive folders that you create. Others use an
external program call Mailbag, which can read TB message bases, but
I've never used it.
I just had a look at Mailbag. It can add your TB mailboxes one by one. 
Then I have the option to export it somewhere else. The problem is, that 
it cannot read the generated TB backup files (*.tbk), which would be the 
feature I am looking for.

But great information!
Thank you,
Kariem


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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Greg Strong]

Hello Mica,

Sunday, November 21, 2004, 7:02:00 AM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

>  The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
>> per-folder-basis. I have to select "keep in message base for (days)" in
>> each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item). It
>> would be really long winded to do that with about 130 folders.

>> Do you have any suggestions?

> You could do that by searching for messages using "Advanced" tab in
> "Message Finder" (F7), where you could do that by date(s) in "all
> accounts".

This is probably the fastest on a 1 time basis although no threading
(Alt+0) should be used before selecting all (Ctrl+A) and deleting.
Instead of deleting could also export to file for safe keeping if
desired.

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Roman Katzer]

On Sunday, November 21, 2004, 05:03:29, Kariem Hussein wrote:

> The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
> per-folder-basis.

Create a common virtual folder that watches all folders you have and
select a filter criterion (message older than ...). All messages created
before that date will be in that folder.

 
Regards,
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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
> per-folder-basis. I have to select "keep in message base for (days)" in
> each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item). It
> would be really long winded to do that with about 130 folders.

> Do you have any suggestions?

You could do that by searching for messages using "Advanced" tab in
"Message Finder" (F7), where you could do that by date(s) in "all
accounts".

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Re: backup and purge very old messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Kariem,

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:03:29 +0100 GMT (21/11/2004, 17:03 +0700 GMT),
Kariem Hussein wrote:

KH> What I'd like to do now:

KH>   # select a timeframe (e.g. >1 year)
KH>   # backup all these messages
KH>   # delete the messages from the message base

KH> The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a
KH> per-folder-basis. I have to select "keep in message base for (days)" in
KH> each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item).

That's the way to go. You have to indeed set this on a per-folder
basis, but once you've done it, you're through. If you are looking for
a global setting, this doesn't exist AFAIK.

Then, under Account / Properties / Mail Management / Deletion, you can
set it so that the messages are sent to an archive folder instead of
Trash.

KH> It would be great to be able to search through the archives (=backups)
KH> at a later stage.

You can do that with the archive folders that you create. Others use an
external program call Mailbag, which can read TB message bases, but
I've never used it.

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backup and purge very old messages

[Kariem Hussein]

Hi,
I thought it would be quite simple, but I haven't found any solution to 
my problem yet. I searched through the online help, knowledge base and 
FAQs and through this list's archive, and I just cannot believe that 
nobody has the same problem. Perhaps I just did not look at the right 
spot or for the right term. I hope someone on this list can help me.

I've been using TB for a very long time now, and apparently my different 
mail accounts managed by TB have grown rather large. I do backups every 
once in a while, so I'm not afraid of losing any data. The problem is, 
that startup and closing of TB takes several seconds and the message 
bases use up too much space on my hard drive.

What I'd like to do now:
 # select a timeframe (e.g. >1 year)
 # backup all these messages
 # delete the messages from the message base
The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a 
per-folder-basis. I have to select "keep in message base for (days)" in 
each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item). It 
would be really long winded to do that with about 130 folders.

Do you have any suggestions?
I used to think of Pine (or Horde Webmail), where the user is asked at 
the start of each month to automatically clean some folders. The problem 
is that I do not only want to delete these messages, but save them 
somewhere in order to access them later on. A big part of my life is 
saved in my email messages :)

It would be great to be able to search through the archives (=backups) 
at a later stage.

Thank you,
Kariem

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Re[2]: importing old messages

[sandy]

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Re: importing old messages

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo sandy,

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:51:09 -0500GMT (28-3-04, 20:51 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

S> Something happened to my Bat program and everytime I clicked on the
S> trash folder, the program locked up, so I uninstalled the program and
S> re-installed The Bat.

Next time, just close TB and delete the files in trash folder with
windows exporer.

S> It would not work until I started over with a totally new install
S> and I did not keep old settings etc.

That's the problem with a new install.

S> I have everything working but is there a way to get the old
S> messages and folders into this copy of The Bat?

That's easy.
Close TB
Make a copy of your new account, somewhere else on disk
Drag all folders and files from your 'Sandy' account to your new one
Oh and empty the trash folder after doing that
Open TB and you should have your old messages and settings back

To get your new messages back:
  Tools -> Import Messages -> From .TBB files
Now point to the copy of your new inbox and you'll import the messages
downloaded with your new account. (I'm presuming that you didn't
create lots of folders and filters in your new account, if you've done
so, you'll lose them in this way.)

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importing old messages

[sandy]

Hello

Something happened to my Bat program and everytime I clicked on the
trash folder, the program locked up, so I uninstalled the program and
re-installed The Bat. It would not work until I started over with a
totally new install and I did not keep old settings etc. I have
everything working but is there a way to get the old messages and
folders into this copy of The Bat? (I can see the old messages
are saved in a folder named "Sandy".

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Re: Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Edgar,

@4-Nov-2003, 20:18 +0100 (04-Nov 19:18 UK time) Edgar said to All:

> .. I hoped that this function would use the alternative method and
> moved the messages to the archive. Did I miss interpret the
> purging option?

You did. Purge does "what it says on the tin". A purge removes
messages without going through trash (or alternates). Right now,
there's nothing in TB to do this how you want to.

The usual solution is to make a filter that always copies the
message directly to the archive and then allow purge to keep the
"current skim" at the right level.

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Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.

[Edgar]

Hello All,

I try this question again and hope that someone can pick this up.

I have a folder set up to keep messages in there, say for 5
days, and use an alternative method on deletion (moving the
messages to an archive).

When I close TB! the older messages will be moved to the archive,
but when I use the purge folder with folder maintenance the
messages will be deleted (not moved and they're not on the trash
can).

I hoped that this function would use the alternative method and
moved the messages to the archive. Did I miss interpret the
purging option?

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Re: Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.

[Chris]

On Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 3:25:31 PM, Edgar wrote in the
message "Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option
does not use the alternative deletion method."
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Looking at the key now I can not change the name without revoking
> the key. (or can I)

Once created, a key can only be added to, not changed; therefore, you
must revoke it and create a new key to make any changes.

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Re: Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.

[Edgar]

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Hello Chris,

On Thursday, October 30, 2003, 1:09:32 AM, you wrote:

> Edgar, your PGP key doesn't have a last name! Who are you?
The name in the PGP key is just the name like in my e-mail.

Looking at the key now I can not change the name without revoking
the key. (or can I)


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Re: Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.

[Chris]

On Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 3:51:09 PM, Edgar wrote in the
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does not use the alternative deletion method."
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Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.

[Edgar]

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Hello All,

When I have a folder set up to keep messages in there for say 5
days and use an alternative method on deletion (moving the
messages to an archive). This will work when I close TB!.
It will move the messages to the archive, but when I use the
purge folder with folder maintenance the messages will be deleted
(not moved and they're not on the trash can).

I hoped that this function would use the alternative method and
moved the messages to the archive. Did I miss interpret the
purging option?

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Recovering old messages

[Venu]

Thanks for solving the moving of old messages from Win2K to Win XP

  

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Re: Recovering old messages

[D Gerard Raftery Sr.]

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RE: "Recovering old messages"

Greetings Venu,

On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 9:50:08 AM, you wrote:

V> Hello tbudl,

V>   While moving from Win2K to Win XP, I did not perform the elementary
V>   backup.Just moved the whole directory over to another partition. Is
V>   there any way I can recover my old messages?

Without the backup you will need install The_Bat! on XP to get the
proper registry pointers and keys and then move the entire
The_Bat!\Mail directory over to the install then start The_Bat! and
create the mail accounts utilizing the EXACT name you used in the
Win2k installation (i.e. the folder names under your Mail directory).
At this point you should see after you type in the account name that,
as you toggle through the account information screens, that The_Bat!
recognizes all the other information and message base files.

What you are doing is actually recreating the accounts so all your
mail and folders will appear when you finish the account creation
(recreation).

I hope that I have explained this properly enough to get you on your
way back to your old messages.

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Re: Recovering old messages

[Peter Palmreuther]

On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:20:08 +0530
Venu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> While moving from Win2K to Win  XP, I did not perform the elementary
> backup.Just moved the whole  directory over to another partition. Is
> there any way I can recover my old messages?

Copy back your saved directory, start The Bat! and create accounts with
their old names. The Bat! will recognize the old folders then and all
settings saved in account folders will be preserved. 
One exception: if your user name for mail server (POP3 for sure,
SMTP-auth I don't know exactly) was something with '@' in it, like your
complete e-mail address, only the user part will be preserved. You'll
have to change this back manually, for whatever reasons The Bat! does
not preserve the whole string, but only up to the first '@' in username
when 'recovering' accounts this way.
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Recovering old messages

[Venu]

Hello tbudl,

  While moving from Win2K to Win XP, I did not perform the elementary
  backup.Just moved the whole directory over to another partition. Is
  there any way I can recover my old messages?
  

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Re[2]: Remove old messages, what date is used?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Monday, April 1, 2002, 03:55, you wrote:

>>> TB! actually adds one day to your settings. If you select to
>>> remove messages older than 5 days, TB! will keep messages which is
>>> up to 5 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes old.

> No. It doesn't add any days. If it used a number one less than it
> does, than if your setting was to delete after one day, a message
> which arrived at 2359 would need to be deleted after one minute.

That's not quite true. TB! does not delete messages at midnight only.
It deletes them the same time they have arrived, but x+1 days later.

This message will reach me at about 10:58 Tuesday (april 2) local time
and I've set the TBUDL to automatically delete messages after five
days. That means that this message will not get deleted until after
10:58 (or is it 10:57? I'm not sure) at Monday (april 8).

It would make more sense if it was deleted at 10:58 Sunday (april 7).

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Re[2]: Remove old messages, what date is used?

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Dwight,

>> I wish it was at least optional to use Received or Created. I find
>> that Created in general is more "real".

> actually it isn't at all. I get messages which where created next
> week, or even next year, and that were created in 1985. I have no
> control over the clock settings of someone who sends me mail. By using
> the received date, you determine that the message will be on your
> machine for a finite amount of time.

I agree with you that, once in a while, you and everybody get some
messages with the most extraneous dates. However, if it was optional
to use Received or Created, both you and I would be happy.

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Re: Remove old messages, what date is used?

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Sunday, March 31, 2002, 5:48:50 AM, Miguel A. Urech wrote:

>> TB! actually adds one day to your settings. If you
>> select to remove messages older than 5 days, TB! will keep messages
>> which is up to 5 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes old.

No. It doesn't add any days. If it used a number one less than it
does, than if your setting was to delete after one day, a message
which arrived at 2359 would need to be deleted after one minute.

> I wish it was at least optional to use Received or Created. I find
> that Created in general is more "real".

actually it isn't at all. I get messages which where created next
week, or even next year, and that were created in 1985. I have no
control over the clock settings of someone who sends me mail. By using
the received date, you determine that the message will be on your
machine for a finite amount of time.

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Re[2]: Remove old messages, what date is used?

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Marcus,

Thanks for your reply.

>> I have selected "Remove old messages On Exit" in a few folders and
>> it doesn't seem to work, at least as I expected. Which date is used
>> to determine if a message is old, the Received or the Created one?

> Received. Besides, TB! actually adds one day to your settings. If you
> select to remove messages older than 5 days, TB! will keep messages
> which is up to 5 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes old.

I wish it was at least optional to use Received or Created. I find
that Created in general is more "real". I have imported some e-mail
folders from my previous e-mail client (some with messages several
years old) but, for TB!, they have been Received just a couple of days
ago. I now have in a same folder messages much older than those that
were already in the folder, but that have been received much later.

While it is true that TB! "receives" messages when imported, it would
be good if while importing it had an option to set Received date/time
equal to Created.

Some thing happens with some accounts that don't use very frequently,
or some that I don't check while I am on travel, the Received time may
be weeks later than Created

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Re: Remove old messages, what date is used?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Saturday, March 30, 2002, 14:12, you wrote:

> I have selected "Remove old messages On Exit" in a few folders and
> it doesn't seem to work, at least as I expected. Which date is used
> to determine if a message is old, the Received or the Created one?

Received. Besides, TB! actually adds one day to your settings. If you
select to remove messages older than 5 days, TB! will keep messages
which is up to 5 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes old.

Personally, when specifying 5 days, I want to keep messages for five
days, not six. Well, thats a minor problem, it's easy to adjust your
settings.

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Remove old messages, what date is used?

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello all,

I have selected "Remove old messages On Exit" in a few folders and it
doesn't seem to work, at least as I expected. Which date is used to
determine if a message is old, the Received or the Created one?

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Autodeleting old messages (was: Can we have "common filters" that work on all new mail?)

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello DJR,

Sunday, March 24, 2002, 7:23:27 AM, you wrote to TBUDL:

D> Hello lists,

D> Saturday, March 23, 2002, 6:32:01 PM, you wrote:

D> Is there a setting that will allow an auto-deletion of messages
D> appearing before a specific date? If I wanted to auto delete messages
D> saved in a particular folder that are two months old, how would I set
D> that up?

Folder properties.
Keep messages in base for 60 days
On exit Remove old messages

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Re: Constant Re-Downloading of old messages

[Tony A.T. Mendina]

I wonder what message data The Bat uses to determine which messages
it's downloaded already. It couldn't be the message ID field in the
headers, as it downloads messages with duplicate message IDs all the
time. Several of our customers have told me they're having this
problem as well, with programs other than The Bat, so I'd like to try
and figure it out.

Whatever the mechanism is, I wonder if the server is re-cycling
numbers or something.

Anyone really good with POP3? Anyone know what the "ID" field is the
Bat uses to determine which messages it already has?

Thanks,

Tony

A . Curtis Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said at 3:53 PM on 11/16/2000:
> The Bat! will leave messages on the server and not re-download
> previously downloaded messages depending on the mail server software. I
> have no problem whatsoever with TB! re-downloading messages, even though
> I leave all my messages on the server. The problem seems to lie with the
> mail server.

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Re: Constant Re-Downloading of old messages

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 Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:54:57  -0600, and thought I'd add my $0.02 worth:

TATM> I have a copy of The Bat 1.47 which has the same sickness that every
TATM> version of the Bat I've ever used has had.

TATM> If I leave copies of my mail on the server at work, a Qmail / Linux
TATM> machine, The Bat re-downloads the old messagessometimes every week
TATM> or so, sometimes, as today, every five minutes.

TATM> This is gradually driving me crazy. I need to leave the messages on
TATM> the server; how do I stop The Bat from pulling them over again?

The Bat! will leave messages on the server and not re-download
previously downloaded messages depending on the mail server software. I
have no problem whatsoever with TB! re-downloading messages, even though
I leave all my messages on the server. The problem seems to lie with the
mail server.

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Constant Re-Downloading of old messages

[Tony A.T. Mendina]

I have a copy of The Bat 1.47 which has the same sickness that every
version of the Bat I've ever used has had.

If I leave copies of my mail on the server at work, a Qmail / Linux
machine, The Bat re-downloads the old messagessometimes every week
or so, sometimes, as today, every five minutes.

This is gradually driving me crazy. I need to leave the messages on
the server; how do I stop The Bat from pulling them over again?

Tony


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Re: Archiving old messages...

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, February 10, 2000, 5:37:42 AM, Jast wrote:
> Morning Steve Lamb,

>>>  This causes a slight amount of redundance, but IMHO it's even better this
>>>  way, as you always have a fully searchable archive in one folder.
>> Alternatively you could just click that darned "include subfolders"
>> button.  :P

>  I was referring to the quicksearch feature which does not work over
>  different folders unless we had virtual folders.

Well, you said search.  Besides, I've never seen it work and never really
miss it.

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Re: Archiving old messages...

[Jast]

Morning Steve Lamb,

>>  This causes a slight amount of redundance, but IMHO it's even better this
>>  way, as you always have a fully searchable archive in one folder.
> 
> Alternatively you could just click that darned "include subfolders"
> button.  :P

 I was referring to the quicksearch feature which does not work over
 different folders unless we had virtual folders. You know, I do like the
 functionality, if not the usability implentation of this. It's quick
 nonetheless :-D

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Re: Archiving old messages...

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, February 09, 2000, 5:41:43 AM, Dieter wrote:
> I  normally  delete all messages within TB after they have been archived
> with MBA. This keeps TB lean and fast.

I never understood this.  TB! currently handles...

876 messages in my personal account.
569 messages in my work account.
17030 messages in my personal archive account.

At my work machine the personal archive is replaced with my work archive
which holds, uhm, well, right now, just shy of 10,000.  I've not seen any
problems with speed with this setup.

Do people really exceed ~18500 messages on a regular basis?  I mean, how
many people are as obsessive about keeping sent mail to the point of having
over 2 years of archives?

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Re: Archiving old messages...

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, February 08, 2000, 8:51:29 PM, Jast wrote:
>  . make the folder you want to move your messages in (duh) I suggest a
>subfolder of the sent mail.

Actually, I do it as a sub-sub-folder of sent in an "archive" account.

>  This causes a slight amount of redundance, but IMHO it's even better this
>  way, as you always have a fully searchable archive in one folder.

Alternatively you could just click that darned "include subfolders"
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Re: Archiving old messages...

[Paula Ford]

Hi,

Instead of setting up a separate account, could I do something with
setting up another user? If so, how could I relocate messages that I
want to archive from one 'user' to the other 'user'? I haven't looked at
multiple user features (it's only me!). I'd prefer to get the archived
messages out of the main database. Don't know why exactly; I just would.

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Re: Archiving old messages...

[Allie Martin]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:41:43 +0100, Dieter Hummel wrote:

> For  archiving  I use a neat utility called Mailbag Assistant. This also
> allows me to quickly search thru all mailboxes.

I'm surprised at TB!'s performance with a lot of mail. I have
a couple folders with 4000+ messages and these folders open smartly.
TB!'s startup isn't as slow with folders containing a lot of messages
as it used to be. I really don't mind archiving directly rather than
using a separate app.

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Re: Archiving old messages...

[Dieter Hummel]

Hello Listmembers,

On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 at 07:15:23 [GMT  -0500] Allie Martin wrote:

> I have all my archives in a separate account as Steve so aptly

For  archiving  I use a neat utility called Mailbag Assistant. This also
allows me to quickly search thru all mailboxes.

I  normally  delete all messages within TB after they have been archived
with MBA. This keeps TB lean and fast.


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Re: Archiving old messages...

[Allie Martin]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:28:38 +0900, John De Hoog wrote:

> 1. Configure the folder options to leave messages in the base
> for only 8 days. This can be done for the Send folder as well.
> Let it purge messages automatically after that period.

> 2. Use an automated backup program to save the mail database,
> preferably to a different volume than the one The Bat! is on, as
> generational archives.

I have all my archives in a separate account as Steve so aptly
suggested. I upkeep those manually and. I do automatically archive
both my e-mail accounts folders and also my archive account folder
weekly to my zip drive. I store them as .rar archives.

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Re[2]: Archiving old messages...

[Mark R Harding]

Jast,

Regarding your message dated: 09 February 2000...

J> Morning Mark R Harding,

J>  Of course doing it manually like Steve suggested isn't a bad way to do it.
J>  But if you're happy with one large folder for old messages you can
J>  automate it fully:

J>  . make the folder you want to move your messages in (duh) I suggest a
J>subfolder of the sent mail.
J>  . make a sent mail filter applying to all mails and check the action to copy 
message to another
J>folder and select the one you created.
J>  . in the sent mail folder properties check the options "max number of
J>stored messages" and/or "keep messages in base fore days" and "remove
J>old messages".

This is pretty much what I was hoping to achieve.  I have created a
sub-folder in 'Sent' called 'Archive of Sent' and have created an
'Outgoing Mail' filter that additionally makes a copy of the message
in the 'Archive of Sent' sub-folder.  I copied all existing sent mails
from 'Sent' to the 'Archive of Sent' and set the expiry on the 'Sent'
folder to 30-days. (I can tweak this downwards later...)

Thus what I have now is a snappy and responsive 'Sent' mail filter
that allows me to review a message I sent recently without the
annoying delay associated with my larger archive folder.

 Thanks to Jast for the advice here...

JDH> Here's how I handle the archiving, while keeping The Bat! running
JDH> lean and mean.

JDH> 1. Configure the folder options to leave messages in the base for
JDH> only 8 days. This can be done for the Send folder as well. Let it
JDH> purge messages automatically after that period.

JDH> 2. Use an automated backup program to save the mail database,
JDH> preferably to a different volume than the one The Bat! is on, as
JDH> generational archives.

JDH> (So far no dial-up problems today; knock on wood.)

This is also good advice. I have a similar strategy for backing up my
mail folders. The only real variation is that I create a copy
(automatically of course!) of the mail-folders on my unix account
because I have plenty of space (much more than on my PC anyway) and
the backup regime is administered by the local computing support guys
on a nightly basis so I can always rely on my data being archived. (In
fact, through a Samba interface I keep most of my important work
backed up this way too which is a nice redundant archive to have if
one has the chance.)

Thanks to John for the advice here...

All in all, a very satisfying end to another 'little niggle.'

Cheers,

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Re: Archiving old messages...

[John De Hoog]

Earlier I wrote:

JDH> 1. Configure the folder options to leave messages in the base for
JDH> only 8 days. This can be done for the Send folder as well. Let it
JDH> purge messages automatically after that period.

JDH> 2. Use an automated backup program to save the mail database,
JDH> preferably to a different volume than the one The Bat! is on, as
JDH> generational archives.

   As most of you sharp people will realize, I meant to say for the
   second step that the automated backup program should backup your
   messages every week. (The weekly backups and 8-day retention will
   result in a small bit of overlap, but I think it is necessary to
   avoid losing articles due to international time differences. I'm
   not absolutely sure, but better safe than sorry.)

   Incidentally, I found that on NT (Japanese with SP5), NJWin CJK
   viewer Ver. 1.68 works extremely well for showing Japanese messages
   on The Bat!  Ver. 1.80 and later do not work at all, although
   NJStar are working on the problem. I also tried NJWin on Poco,
   Pegasus, Calpyso and other programs, but The Bat! gives by far the
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Re: Archiving old messages...

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Hello, Jast,

On Wednesday, February 09, 2000, you wrote:

J> Of course doing it manually like Steve suggested isn't a bad way to do it.
J>  But if you're happy with one large folder for old messages you can
J>  automate it fully

Here's how I handle the archiving, while keeping The Bat! running
lean and mean.

1. Configure the folder options to leave messages in the base for
only 8 days. This can be done for the Send folder as well. Let it
purge messages automatically after that period.

2. Use an automated backup program to save the mail database,
preferably to a different volume than the one The Bat! is on, as
generational archives.

(So far no dial-up problems today; knock on wood.)

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Re: Archiving old messages...

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Morning Mark R Harding,

> I wish not to lose my old 'sent' messages (stored by default in 'Sent')
> but because I currently have just over 1600 messages in this folder I
> find it slow to access. Since I commonly only refer to recent messages my
> idea was to set up some kind of filter or expiry that would be applied to
> the 'Sent' folder that would move all messages older than a given age
> (say 1 month..) to another folder purposefully created to store an
> archive of the 'Sent' mail folder.

 Of course doing it manually like Steve suggested isn't a bad way to do it.
 But if you're happy with one large folder for old messages you can
 automate it fully:

 . make the folder you want to move your messages in (duh) I suggest a
   subfolder of the sent mail.
 . make a sent mail filter applying to all mails and check the action to copy message 
to another
   folder and select the one you created.
 . in the sent mail folder properties check the options "max number of
   stored messages" and/or "keep messages in base fore days" and "remove
   old messages".

 This causes a slight amount of redundance, but IMHO it's even better this
 way, as you always have a fully searchable archive in one folder.

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Re: Archiving old messages...

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Tuesday, February 08, 2000, 2:22:59 PM, Mark wrote:
> However, I could not see a route to doing this through either the Sorting
> Office Filters or the properties tab of the 'Sent' folder. Also, I
> drew a blank on the FAQ and (as far as I could see) previous threads
> of this discussion list.

Click on "created" tab and set it to descending order.
Click on first message of the date range you want to move.
Scroll down.
Hold shift, click on the other end of the date range you want to move.
Drag and drop marked messages to different folder.
Lather.
Rinse.
Repeat.



Note to those snots that will point out that one would have to do this on
a regular basis.  I know that.  But I am also of the opinion that when your
archive folder gets large enough you'll come to understand that subdividing
that archive up by year/month is wise and that you have to reprogram the
filter each month to point to the new folder *anyway* and that reprogramming
the filter is more work than the above described procedure.  :P


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Archiving old messages...

[Mark R Harding]

Hi TBUDL,

Here's a quick question and it's probably bad form that I pose it now
because I'm just off home for the day but hopefully you'll all be
generous and forgive me...

My problem...
-

I wish not to lose my old 'sent' messages (stored by default in
'Sent') but because I currently have just over 1600 messages in this
folder I find it slow to access. Since I commonly only refer to recent
messages my idea was to set up some kind of filter or expiry that
would be applied to the 'Sent' folder that would move all messages
older than a given age (say 1 month..) to another folder purposefully
created to store an archive of the 'Sent' mail folder. This would have
the effect that my 'Sent' folder was always reasonably small and
therefore quick to access but I would still have my permanent record
of each message sent.

However, I could not see a route to doing this through either the Sorting
Office Filters or the properties tab of the 'Sent' folder. Also, I
drew a blank on the FAQ and (as far as I could see) previous threads
of this discussion list.

If anyone has any applicable ideas I'd love to hear them... sorry I
can't stick around longer now but it's gone 22.20 here and I really
need a break (and food!) before the next day of 'sweat and tears'.

Cheers,

Mark

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Re[7]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

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Hello Oleg Zalyalov,
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:26:19 +0400 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 7:26:19 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Oleg Zalyalov wrote:

Oleg> Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Oleg> Friday, January 14, 2000, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
Oleg> How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages:

OZ>>> Maybe  it's  a  bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected
OZ>>> until we have a legal way to filter all messages.
AS>> I can't understand this logic... How did you found it?
Oleg> Tried  empty  string  and presence 'yes' and found out that it doesn't
Oleg> work as desired -- no message triggered that filter. Than just changed
Oleg> presence to 'no'. Voila.
On the other hand you can filter any mail with an @ in the header.
You may loose some spam (as its one of my spam checks) but who
minds...
I tend to zap mail which hasnt got @ in sender and receiver.



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Hello Alex Sanyukovitch,
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:12:14  +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 5:12:14 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alex Sanyukovitch wrote:

Alex> Hello Oleg,


OZ>> I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working.
makes sense, not nothing can be anything (g)


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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

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Hallo Alex,

On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:10:13  +0200 GMT (15.01.2000, 02:10 +0800 GMT),
Alex Sanyukovitch wrote:

AS> Sorry, but it is not correct!
AS> Think  again:  Presence  of empty string, but not Equality to Empty
AS> string!!

You mean presence of... 0x00? I haven't received a message with that
one in it, but I agree:

AS> This thread is a next DEAD HORSE, isn't it, Mr. Moderator? ;-)))

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Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Alex Sanyukovitch]

Hello Thomas,

Friday, January 14, 2000, 7:34:32 PM, you wrote:


TF>>> Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
TF>>> nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
AS>> Lookagain:   'NOT'  belongs to "Presence", so .NOT.('') means that
AS>> there is no empty strings in the mail.
AS>> So  string  "\n"  (which separate message header from message body) is
AS>> not empty for TB!... interesting behaviour.

TF> Within the logic. "\n" is a character (actually two, CR and LF). But
TF> that is not limited to the CR/LF character pair. Most message have
TF> more than just a "\n" in them. ;-)

Sorry, but it is not correct!
Think  again:  Presence  of empty string, but not Equality to Empty
string!!

TF>>> I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
AS>> Are you sure? ;-)

TF> See above. If you get an absolutely empty message, without even
TF> headers, the filter wouldn't catch it. But then, how would you get it
TF> in the first place?
Who cares about such an empty message? ;-))



This thread is a next DEAD HORSE, isn't it, Mr. Moderator? ;-)))

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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Alex,

On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:07:28  +0200 GMT (14.01.2000, 20:07 +0800 GMT),
Alex Sanyukovitch wrote:

TF>> Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
TF>> nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
AS> Lookagain:   'NOT'  belongs to "Presence", so .NOT.('') means that
AS> there is no empty strings in the mail.
AS> So  string  "\n"  (which separate message header from message body) is
AS> not empty for TB!... interesting behaviour.

Within the logic. "\n" is a character (actually two, CR and LF). But
that is not limited to the CR/LF character pair. Most message have
more than just a "\n" in them. ;-)

TF>> I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
AS> Are you sure? ;-)

See above. If you get an absolutely empty message, without even
headers, the filter wouldn't catch it. But then, how would you get it
in the first place?

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Re[6]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

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Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Friday, January 14, 2000, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages:

OZ>> Maybe  it's  a  bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected
OZ>> until we have a legal way to filter all messages.
AS> I can't understand this logic... How did you found it?
Tried  empty  string  and presence 'yes' and found out that it doesn't
work as desired -- no message triggered that filter. Than just changed
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Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Alex Sanyukovitch]

Hello Thomas,

Friday, January 14, 2000, 1:46:12 PM, you wrote:

OZ>>> Maybe  it's  a  bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected
OZ>>> until we have a legal way to filter all messages.
AS>> I can't understand this logic... How did you found it?

TF> Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
TF> nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
Lookagain:   'NOT'  belongs to "Presence", so .NOT.('') means that
there is no empty strings in the mail.
So  string  "\n"  (which separate message header from message body) is
not empty for TB!... interesting behaviour.

TF> I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
Are you sure? ;-)



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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

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Hi Alex,

On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:28:44  +0200GMT (14/01/2000, 19:28 +0800GMT),
Alex Sanyukovitch wrote:

OZ>> Maybe  it's  a  bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected
OZ>> until we have a legal way to filter all messages.
AS> I can't understand this logic... How did you found it?

Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.

OZ>> What more comments needed?
AS> If it is bug then I have no more questions.

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Re[5]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

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Hello Oleg,

Friday, January 14, 2000, 1:19:43 PM, you wrote:


OZ> Maybe  it's  a  bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected
OZ> until we have a legal way to filter all messages.
I can't understand this logic... How did you found it?

OZ> What more comments needed?
If it is bug then I have no more questions.

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Re[4]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

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Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Friday, January 14, 2000, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages:

>>>>> Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike
>>>>> "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd"  which should NOT present in
>>>>> message ;-))

MG>>> Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it
MG>>> contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through.

OZ>> I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working.

AS> Can you please comment it?

Creating  new filter not filling in any string in the 'strings' field,
just changing presence from 'yes' to 'no'.

It  cathes  every message. Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it
should be corrected until we have a legal way to filter all messages.

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Hello Oleg,

 Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike
 "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd"  which should NOT present in
 message ;-))

MG>> On Thursday, January 13, 2000, 5:48:38 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:

>>> Whoa, there it is.  :P

MG>> Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it
MG>> contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through.

OZ> I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working.

another thing one could do is:
search for "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" present
& add set "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" not present...

that will catch even these messages :-)

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Re[3]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Alex Sanyukovitch]

Hello Oleg,

Friday, January 14, 2000, 11:57:37 AM, you wrote:

OZ> How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages:

>>>> Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike
>>>> "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd"  which should NOT present in
>>>> message ;-))


>>> Whoa, there it is.  :P

MG>> Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it
MG>> contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through.

OZ> I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working.

Can you please comment it?


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Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Thursday, January 13, 2000, Markus Gloede wrote to TBUDL about
How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages:

>>> Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike
>>> "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd"  which should NOT present in
>>> message ;-))

MG> On Thursday, January 13, 2000, 5:48:38 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:

>> Whoa, there it is.  :P

MG> Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it
MG> contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through.

I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working.

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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, you wrote:
> SL>> ... Explain.  Might you actually be doing some 
> filtering on server side?
> > Not really on server side, just between server and TB!.
> 
> Again, explain.
> 
Just a small relay program which filters SMTP/POP messages. 
It was created to remove (or mask ;-))"X-Mailer:" fields 
with registration number. But it can also remove unnecessary 
fields from incoming mail, allows to quickly change a SMTP/POP
server, receive mail from different mail acoounts in one account
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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, January 13, 2000, 1:11:27 PM, Alex wrote:
SL>> ... Explain.  Might you actually be doing some filtering on server side?
> Not really on server side, just between server and TB!.

Again, explain.

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Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Alex Sanyukovitch]

Hello Steve,

Thursday, January 13, 2000, 8:49:59 PM, you wrote:

SL> Thursday, January 13, 2000, 10:34:43 AM, Alex wrote:
SL>>> This is your choice and does not invalidate the fact that messages, as
SL>>> they come in, do have those headers and thus that letter.
>> Sorry,  but  it does mean! All header are removed before message comes
>> to TB.

SL> ... Explain.  Might you actually be doing some filtering on server side?
Not really on server side, just between server and TB!.

SL> If so, my apologies for my assumptions.
No problem! ;-)

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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, January 13, 2000, 10:34:43 AM, Alex wrote:
SL>> This is your choice and does not invalidate the fact that messages, as
SL>> they come in, do have those headers and thus that letter.
> Sorry,  but  it does mean! All header are removed before message comes
> to TB.

... Explain.  Might you actually be doing some filtering on server side?
If so, my apologies for my assumptions.

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Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Alex Sanyukovitch]

Hello Steve,

Thursday, January 13, 2000, 7:52:29 PM, you wrote:

>> Not  really.  I  do  remove  all  "Received:"  fields (and others like
>> "X-List-Command:", "X-MSMail-Priority:", "X-Resent-To:", etc.) from my
>> mail,  because  it  takes  too much space (sometimes more that half of
>> message). So it will not work.

SL> This is your choice and does not invalidate the fact that messages, as
SL> they come in, do have those headers and thus that letter.
Sorry,  but  it does mean! All header are removed before message comes
to TB.

SL> Besides,  Date  has  an  e in it as well. That, too, is a required
SL> header and I doubt many people here would strip that. ;)
Here you right! ;-))



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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

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Thursday, January 13, 2000, 9:29:02 AM, Alex wrote:
> Not  really.  I  do  remove  all  "Received:"  fields (and others like
> "X-List-Command:", "X-MSMail-Priority:", "X-Resent-To:", etc.) from my
> mail,  because  it  takes  too much space (sometimes more that half of
> message). So it will not work.

This is your choice and does not invalidate the fact that messages, as
they come in, do have those headers and thus that letter.  Besides, Date has
an e in it as well.  That, too, is a required header and I doubt many people
here would strip that.  ;)

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Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Alex Sanyukovitch]

Hello Markus,

Thursday, January 13, 2000, 7:07:39 PM, you wrote:

>>> Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike
>>> "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd"  which should NOT present in
>>> message ;-))

MG> On Thursday, January 13, 2000, 5:48:38 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:

>> Whoa, there it is.  :P

MG> Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it
MG> contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through.

Oh, sorry!!


MG> B}

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Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Alex Sanyukovitch]

Hello Steve,

Thursday, January 13, 2000, 6:18:23 PM, you wrote:


SL> Acrually e is better.  @ relies on the presence of an email address which
SL> may not always be the case.  However, all messages will have some common
SL> headers in them.  One of them is a Received header from each SMTP server.
SL> ^ ^  ^
Not  really.  I  do  remove  all  "Received:"  fields (and others like
"X-List-Command:", "X-MSMail-Priority:", "X-Resent-To:", etc.) from my
mail,  because  it  takes  too much space (sometimes more that half of
message). So it will not work.

SL> Since the received header is always going to be there, e is always going
SL> to be there.  ;)

So  header  will  not give us letter 'e' and body can be empty (try to
imagine mail with attachment only).

But  filtering  by string, which for sure will *never* present in mail
should work.

Never is a nice word, isn't it? ;-)

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Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[tracer]

Hello Steve Lamb,
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:18:23 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 11:18:23 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:


>> Better way - use @ character and search for it in the message headers.
>> 100% guaranteed.

Steve> Acrually e is better.  @ relies on the presence of an email address which
Steve> may not always be the case.  However, all messages will have some common
Steve> headers in them.  One of them is a Received header from each SMTP server.
Steve> ^ ^  ^

Steve> Since the received header is always going to be there, e is always going
Steve> to be there.  ;)
correct, as one of the filters I use is if it has NO @, I zap it as
spam...


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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Thursday, January 13, 2000, 6:49:35 AM, Alex wrote:

>> Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike
>> "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd"  which should NOT present in
>> message ;-))

On Thursday, January 13, 2000, 5:48:38 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:

> Whoa, there it is.  :P

Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it
contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through.

B}

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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, January 13, 2000, 6:49:35 AM, Alex wrote:
> Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike
> "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd"  which should NOT present in
> message ;-))

Whoa, there it is.  :P


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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 11:38:40 PM, Andrew wrote:
JA>> Well it depends on my needs, right?  If I want to filter all mail from
JA>> one folder to one other folder, then I can just do one common string.
JA>> For example I could search for the letter e, anywhere in the message.
JA>> I'm 99.999% sure to get all messages from folder A into folder B.

> Better way - use @ character and search for it in the message headers.
> 100% guaranteed.

Acrually e is better.  @ relies on the presence of an email address which
may not always be the case.  However, all messages will have some common
headers in them.  One of them is a Received header from each SMTP server.
^ ^  ^

Since the received header is always going to be there, e is always going
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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Alex Sanyukovitch]

Hello Andrew,

Thursday, January 13, 2000, 9:38:40 AM, you wrote:


JA>> Well it depends on my needs, right?  If I want to filter all mail from
JA>> one folder to one other folder, then I can just do one common string.
JA>> For example I could search for the letter e, anywhere in the message.
JA>> I'm 99.999% sure to get all messages from folder A into folder B.

AKL> Better way - use @ character and search for it in the message headers.
AKL> 100% guaranteed.

Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike
"sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd"  which should NOT present in
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How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

>> You would have to create a filter with strings for each
>> person in that folder.

JA> Well it depends on my needs, right?  If I want to filter all mail from
JA> one folder to one other folder, then I can just do one common string.
JA> For example I could search for the letter e, anywhere in the message.
JA> I'm 99.999% sure to get all messages from folder A into folder B.

Better way - use @ character and search for it in the message headers.
100% guaranteed.

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Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

[Allie Martin]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:43:30 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

[..snip..]

> Ok, perhaps I didn't make myself clear, I meant that if they *add* the
> date criteria, so you would have to match some string (like you do
> currently) and the age to activate the filter.  Then if you wanted to
> purge an entire folder, you just put a general filter which matches all
> strings. :)

OK, if they add the filter by string capability, how would the
filter be triggered with the present functionality that TB! has?

> Well it depends on my needs, right?  If I want to filter all mail from
> one folder to one other folder, then I can just do one common string.
> For example I could search for the letter e, anywhere in the message.
> I'm 99.999% sure to get all messages from folder A into folder B.
> However if I want to separate the messages in folder A to folders
> B,C,D,E,F,G,... then of course I'll need to create a specific string
> appropriate to the task.  How else could that be done?

Soon after my reply to your previous message I felt silly because
I do use a non-specific filter string for spam filtering and that is the
letter 'e' as you mentioned. I agree then that a single filter rule using
a non-specific search string added to the message age criterion could be
use to move all messages within the specified age limits. :)

>>  You would then have have to apply it *manually*!!! That does
>> not make it easy.

> I'm not sure I understand. Why would you have to apply it manually?

Well, either the filtering will be dynamic in that, once set to
automatic, any message that fits the filter criteria would be immediately
filtered. The only other way would be to support filter sets and the
ability to apply a filter set to a folder upon closing/opening the folder
or when TB closes or starts.

> The whole point of a filter set is that it should be optional to run
> automatically or manually only.

Automatic filtering in TB is quite limited in scope at present. :(

> I'm getting a little confused, are we not arguing the same point here?

Quite likely we are. You were however arguing, or rather
*discussing* ahead of me (the only person I have argued with on this list
is Steve and that's because of his argumentative nature ), armed with
functionality that TB does not yet have. You proposed adding filter
criteria based on age to the sorting office filters applet as an easy
alternative to my suggestion, without mentioning anything about trigger
mechanisms to promote automation; trigger mechanisms which don't yet exist
in TB!.  You mentioned them towards the end though.

Anyway, the superior solution requires an overhauling of sorting
office filters. That seems to be a version 2 phenomenon. The other
solution only requires tweaking of the present functionality. I agree
wholeheartedly, that the overhaul route is the better of the two but
they'll soon be abandoning version 1.xx and I doubt they'll be making any
major changes to it.


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Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi Allie Martin,

On Dienstag, 11. Januar 2000 at 22:54:32 you wrote:

> Take  for example my folder called family. I filter messages
> from  all  family members to this folder. I wish to archive messages
> from  this  folder  to another folder. Using the purge facility is a
> lot easier than making new filters for moving the messages when they
> have reached a certain date.

I'd  agree  to  have  both options (meaning using filters _and_ having
some special purging option), but I wouldn't like to give even more to
do  to that filtering system... There are about 40 filters on my inbox
and  I  can follow each byte flowing into the folders with the eyes ;)
It's not really that hard, of course, but that feature doesn't seem to
get  faster  if  you  add  many filters or many conditions. So maybe a
separate option might be handled faster.

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Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Allie,

Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 3:57:21 AM, you wrote:

> Not very easily as you put it. Especially if only the date/age
> criteria are added. I would love if they were but other additions to the
> filter mechanism would be needed to create a similar effect  _easily_.
> :)

Ok, perhaps I didn't make myself clear, I meant that if they *add* the
date criteria, so you would have to match some string (like you do
currently) and the age to activate the filter.  Then if you wanted to
purge an entire folder, you just put a general filter which matches
all strings. :)

> You would have to create a filter with strings for each person in
> that folder.

Well it depends on my needs, right?  If I want to filter all mail from
one folder to one other folder, then I can just do one common string.
For example I could search for the letter e, anywhere in the message.
I'm 99.999% sure to get all messages from folder A into folder B.
However if I want to separate the messages in folder A to folders
B,C,D,E,F,G,... then of course I'll need to create a specific string
appropriate to the task.  How else could that be done?

>  You would then have have to apply it *manually*!!! That does
> not make it easy.

I'm not sure I understand. Why would you have to apply it manually?
The whole point of a filter set is that it should be optional to run
automatically or manually only.

>> Sure it does.  If you use the Read or Replied mail filters, then your
>> messages are processed *after* the folder receives them.

> But that applies to the Inbox only. What if you wish to regularly
> filter out messages beyond a certain age from another folder?

I'm getting a little confused, are we not arguing the same point here?
My suggestion was an attempt to address your question (although I made
no distinction between the Inbox and the other folders).

Veering away for just a second, why should there be any fundamental
difference between the Inbox and any other folder (ignoring the
Outbox/Sent folders)?  The only thing I can think of is for the
initial filtering, but the "Inbox" filters could be applied before the
message is assigned to any folder.  Then any messages that have not
been directed somewhere could have a default filter which puts them in
the Inbox.  Am I missing anything here?

>  That would
> require another set of filters reapplied *manually* to a folder containing
> filtered messages. :) Where's the automation in that? Automation is what
> makes it easy!

That's the suggestion! :)  The idea is to get a date criteria, so I
do *not* have to do this manually.  Right now I *do* have to filter
my old messages manually (either by drag and drop or a manual only
filter).  I think we're competing for the same spot on the same team
here. :)

>> Of course the folders would
>> need to be changed so that instead of having "Delete old messages on
>> exit," they should have "Run Date Filter Set on Exit."

> And yes, you have hit the nail on the head. :) Two additional
> features would need to be implemented to produce an automated filtering
> system that would serve as a purge/archiving mechanism for folders. Filter
> sets would need to be implemented. One would not be enough as you proposed
> since you'd need to run the purge/archiving on multiple folders.

Plus when to filter is a question that would have needed answering
anyway. When programming something that looks at age of messages,
someone has to decide when the message database should be examined. In
fact, the more I think about it, mine might not be the best solution,
since it will only serve to slow down the shutdown process. Plus some
people might like watching filtering actions to ensure that it is done
correctly. My suggestion does not allow this easily. Perhaps a better
solution would be to apply the date filters when the *folder* is
closed. But I think this is a relatively minor point that does not
affect how the basic idea should work.

>  One would
> need to be able to have a filter set be applied when the folder opens,
> when it closes or when TB closes. This is clearly the superior solution
> but it sounds like a major step which hopefully will be implemented in
> version 2.

I don't know how major a step it is, the date search capability is
already in "Advanced Filtering" and all the other filter side stuff is
already implemented. The only other thing that needs implementing is a
trigger mechanism, but as discussed, that too exists with the purge on
exit option.   :)

> The code is already there to easily implement what I suggested,
> hence my suggestion. :)

If only it were that easy... :)

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Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 12 Jan 00, at 0:24, Januk Aggarwal wrote
about "Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Inte":

> > This would mean to add another functionality to filters (date check -
> > costs processing time). It would be much easier to just add "move to"
> > as an option what to do with old messages (in additon to delete), as
> > suggested by Allie.
> 
> > I would prefer that, as I see it as "archiving", not "filtering". The
> > message is old, you want to delete it or archive it.
> 
> Why would you REQUEST something that limiting?  If they offered
> filtering by date as well, you can achieve everything you and Allie
> have suggested _very_ easily.  I can see having the date feature in
> the filters as being very useful.

Januk, let me put my name under this message of yours;-) Pleeaase! Just 
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Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

[Allie Martin]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:24:32 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

[..snip..]

> Why would you REQUEST something that limiting?  If they offered
> filtering by date as well, you can achieve everything you and Allie
> have suggested _very_ easily.

Not very easily as you put it. Especially if only the date/age
criteria are added. I would love if they were but other additions to the
filter mechanism would be needed to create a similar effect  _easily_.
:)

> For example, I might not get much mail in one account, so I would like
> to see all new messages in the inbox, but, I also want to keep copies
> of the messages in individual folders.  (Call one, Uncle, Aunt,
> Brother, etc)  I could then filter them after they are a couple of
> days old so they go into their folders automatically.

You would have to create a filter with strings for each person in
that folder. You would then have have to apply it *manually*!!! That does
not make it easy. Automation is what I'm interested in! I'm already doing
what you're saying manually. The folder purge mechanism is triggered when
you close TB! ... automation. :)

>   Right now, I have either Read Message filters, or I have the filter
> make a copy of the messages in the folders and then delete the originals
> manually. I don't like the Read Message filters because they are
> activated as soon as I move away from a message (as the name implies).
> This ruins threading and makes mailing lists a pain to read.  I
> currently use the copying filter, but it seems like a waste of space,
> plus I still don't get ALL the functionality that a date option in the
> filters would provide.  (eg, multiple archiving levels, new -> recent ->
> ancient history, or something along that line)

Frustrating isn't it. I'll soon get to the solution. :)

> Sure it does.  If you use the Read or Replied mail filters, then your
> messages are processed *after* the folder receives them.

But that applies to the Inbox only. What if you wish to regularly
filter out messages beyond a certain age from another folder? That would
require another set of filters reapplied *manually* to a folder containing
filtered messages. :) Where's the automation in that? Automation is what
makes it easy!

> There again, your messages are processed *individually* long after the
> folder received them.  So I don't see why a filter set that uses Date as
> one of its criteria shouldn't be added.  Of course the folders would
> need to be changed so that instead of having "Delete old messages on
> exit," they should have "Run Date Filter Set on Exit."  Or something
> along those lines.

And yes, you have hit the nail on the head. :) Two additional
features would need to be implemented to produce an automated filtering
system that would serve as a purge/archiving mechanism for folders. Filter
sets would need to be implemented. One would not be enough as you proposed
since you'd need to run the purge/archiving on multiple folders. One would
need to be able to have a filter set be applied when the folder opens,
when it closes or when TB closes. This is clearly the superior solution
but it sounds like a major step which hopefully will be implemented in
version 2.

The code is already there to easily implement what I suggested,
hence my suggestion. :)

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Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Januk,

On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:24:32 -0800GMT (12/01/2000, 16:24 +0800GMT),
Januk Aggarwal wrote:

[...]
JA> shouldn't be added.  Of course the folders would need to be changed so
JA> that instead of having "Delete old messages on exit," they should have
JA> "Run Date Filter Set on Exit."  Or something along those lines.

OK; so these date filters wouldn't be processed at the same time as
the other filters. Thus the date check will cost time only "on exit"
or when I use the menu item "Purge,Archive&Compress Folders".

In that case I agree, your version is much more comfortable than mine.
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Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Thomas,


Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 7:38:31 PM, you wrote:

> This would mean to add another functionality to filters (date check -
> costs processing time). It would be much easier to just add "move to"
> as an option what to do with old messages (in additon to delete), as
> suggested by Allie.

> I would prefer that, as I see it as "archiving", not "filtering". The
> message is old, you want to delete it or archive it.

Why would you REQUEST something that limiting?  If they offered
filtering by date as well, you can achieve everything you and Allie
have suggested _very_ easily.  I can see having the date feature in
the filters as being very useful.

For example, I might not get much mail in one account, so I would like
to see all new messages in the inbox, but, I also want to keep copies
of the messages in individual folders.  (Call one, Uncle, Aunt,
Brother, etc)  I could then filter them after they are a couple of
days old so they go into their folders automatically.  Right now, I
have either Read Message filters, or I have the filter make a copy of
the messages in the folders and then delete the originals manually.
I don't like the Read Message filters because they are activated as
soon as I move away from a message (as the name implies).  This ruins
threading and makes mailing lists a pain to read.  I currently use the
copying filter, but it seems like a waste of space, plus I still don't
get ALL the functionality that a date option in the filters would
provide.  (eg, multiple archiving levels, new -> recent -> ancient
history, or something along that line)


> That's the
> choice. Has nothing to do with the idea of filtering, ie sender,
> subject etc information, because the msg is already in the folder you
> want it to be in for processing. It's done being processed; discard it
> or keep it out of the way. That's the idea.

Sure it does.  If you use the Read or Replied mail filters, then your
messages are processed *after* the folder receives them.  Or if you
use the "Delete old messages" option.  There again, your messages are
processed *individually* long after the folder received them.  So I
don't see why a filter set that uses Date as one of its criteria
shouldn't be added.  Of course the folders would need to be changed so
that instead of having "Delete old messages on exit," they should have
"Run Date Filter Set on Exit."  Or something along those lines.

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Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Alexander,

On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:35:12 +0300GMT (12/01/2000, 05:35 +0800GMT),
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

>> > b) To move old messages to ...
>> 
>> > For the b) option a browse button with the ability to select a destination
>> > folder, even across accounts would be nice.  This makes for an archiving
>> > capability of sorts.

AVK> I'd rather prefer this to be done as a new filtering criteria: to filter based on 
the 
AVK> message date and/or age. I really prefer all the filtering-type options to be in 
AVK> the same place. That is, together with all the other filters;-)

This would mean to add another functionality to filters (date check -
costs processing time). It would be much easier to just add "move to"
as an option what to do with old messages (in additon to delete), as
suggested by Allie.

I would prefer that, as I see it as "archiving", not "filtering". The
message is old, you want to delete it or archive it. That's the
choice. Has nothing to do with the idea of filtering, ie sender,
subject etc information, because the msg is already in the folder you
want it to be in for processing. It's done being processed; discard it
or keep it out of the way. That's the idea.

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Re: copying old messages

[tracer]

Hello Windisch Gergely,
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:14:08 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 5:14:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Windisch Gergely wrote:

Windisch> Hello TBUDL,

Windisch> Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder? I have
Windisch> a slow machine and I have 8000 messages in the sent folder, 3000 in
Windisch> the inbox and more than 5000 in other folders and thus it takes ages
Windisch> to go from one folder to another. (sometimes my machine freeses for 20
Windisch> seconds when I click on the sent items and it is annoying)
Windisch> My idea is this: I'D like to make TB move the messages (that are older
Windisch> than 5 days) from sent and from inbox to sent(arc) and inbox(arc)
Windisch> I've found two "similar" solutions. First one is to create a read (or
Windisch> replyed) filter. But it would move it when I've read it. (not very
Windisch> useful for me)
Windisch> The other thing is the option saying " Keep messages in the base for
Windisch> .. days" But it would delete my letters and it is a thing I'd like to
Windisch> avoid...
Windisch> Is it possible what I want to do?
What about having a proper archive setup as it gets asked for a lot
and I could use one myself.
Ie where archive and online boxes are accessible and the online mesgs
per  box get added to the archive  by a flag (ie user set)
Windisch> Bye!

Ps I didnt see any Hungarian characters, just unreadable ABC...

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Re: copying old messages

[Jast]

Morning Windisch Gergely,

> Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder?

 Another nice solution is is creating subfolders, or an account with
 identical folders, and set up filters to copy everything to those
 folders and purge the stuff in your working folders. Of course, this
 causes a little redundance, but I don't think this will usually cause
 spce problems :-)


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Re: copying old messages

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 2:54:21 PM, Keith wrote:
> A separate ACCOUNT? So did you totally recreate your folder structure
> there? Every time you add a new folder, do you have to add it to both
> accounts? Or did I misunderstand what you're doing?

Yes, a separate account.  You must keep in mind, though, that I move my
mail from home to work and back again 5 days a week.  This means at home I
have my home account, my work account and my home archives.  At work it is
home, work, work archives.  I keep all my sent mail (except for extremely
large attachments) and in case of work mail all work requests that find their
way to my inbox.  I don't want to transport the ~9,000 messages from work and
~15,000 messages from home back and forth each day.  The ~3,000 I lug around
takes a while to archive up as it is.  :)

With that aside the only folder structure I recreate are whatever folders
I have archives for.  I don't archive a lot of incoming mail.  Mainly what is
archived is inbox (single) and sent mail (year folders with month subfolders).

These archives reside outside the mail subdirectory so I can just archive
that directory for transport.

Reallt, though, considering how often I add folders if I were to add one
more into the archive folder isn't all that much.  Maybe once every few
months.

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Re: copying old messages

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 12:18:03 PM, Steve wrote:

> Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 2:14:08 PM, Windisch wrote:
>> Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder?

> Automatically?  I don't believe so.

> Personally I just created a separate archive account and move messages
> from my main account to that account once a month.  Shift-select, drag and
> drop.

A separate ACCOUNT? So did you totally recreate your folder structure
there? Every time you add a new folder, do you have to add it to both
accounts? Or did I misunderstand what you're doing?


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Re: copying old messages

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 2:14:08 PM, Windisch wrote:
> Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder?

Automatically?  I don't believe so.

Personally I just created a separate archive account and move messages
from my main account to that account once a month.  Shift-select, drag and
drop.

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copying old messages

[Windisch Gergely]

Hello TBUDL,

Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder? I have
a slow machine and I have 8000 messages in the sent folder, 3000 in
the inbox and more than 5000 in other folders and thus it takes ages
to go from one folder to another. (sometimes my machine freeses for 20
seconds when I click on the sent items and it is annoying)
My idea is this: I'D like to make TB move the messages (that are older
than 5 days) from sent and from inbox to sent(arc) and inbox(arc)
I've found two "similar" solutions. First one is to create a read (or
replyed) filter. But it would move it when I've read it. (not very
useful for me)
The other thing is the option saying " Keep messages in the base for
... days" But it would delete my letters and it is a thing I'd like to
avoid...
Is it possible what I want to do?

Bye!

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