[Texascavers] Forest Service Implements Rules at National Cave Convention in Colorado to Prevent Spread of Bat-killing Disease

2011-06-17 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2011/white-nose-syndrome-06-14-2011.html

[Texascavers] Forest Service Implements Rules at National Cave Convention in Colorado to Prevent Spread of Bat-killing Disease

2011-06-17 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2011/white-nose-syndrome-06-14-2011.html

[Texascavers] Forest Service Implements Rules at National Cave Convention in Colorado to Prevent Spread of Bat-killing Disease

2011-06-17 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2011/white-nose-syndrome-06-14-2011.html

[Texascavers] cave vandals caught

2011-06-15 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.adventure-journal.com/2011/06/oregon-cave-art-vandals-nailed/

[Texascavers] cave vandals caught

2011-06-15 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.adventure-journal.com/2011/06/oregon-cave-art-vandals-nailed/

[Texascavers] cave vandals caught

2011-06-15 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.adventure-journal.com/2011/06/oregon-cave-art-vandals-nailed/

[Texascavers] Bats in a wall...

2011-06-02 Thread John P Brooks
How unusual. Bats were found in an old building: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_localdallas/20110602/ts_yblog_localdallas/thousands-of-bats-invade-walls-of-historic-cleburne-building?bouchon=623,tx

[Texascavers] Bats in a wall...

2011-06-02 Thread John P Brooks
How unusual. Bats were found in an old building: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_localdallas/20110602/ts_yblog_localdallas/thousands-of-bats-invade-walls-of-historic-cleburne-building?bouchon=623,tx

Re: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope

2011-06-02 Thread John P Brooks
You better go kill a dolphin...you were wrong: Fluorescence is the emission of light by a substance that has absorbed light or other electromagnetic radiation of a different wavelength. [1]. It is a form of luminescence. In most cases, emitted light has a longer wavelength, and therefore

[Texascavers] Bats in a wall...

2011-06-02 Thread John P Brooks
How unusual. Bats were found in an old building: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_localdallas/20110602/ts_yblog_localdallas/thousands-of-bats-invade-walls-of-historic-cleburne-building?bouchon=623,tx

Re: [Texascavers] fluorescent rope

2011-06-02 Thread John P Brooks
You better go kill a dolphin...you were wrong: Fluorescence is the emission of light by a substance that has absorbed light or other electromagnetic radiation of a different wavelength. [1]. It is a form of luminescence. In most cases, emitted light has a longer wavelength, and therefore

[Texascavers] Ancient Cave Women....left childhood homes

2011-06-01 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13609260 Interesting psuedo cave related article.with perhaps some parallels to modern day cave women

[Texascavers] Ancient Cave Women....left childhood homes

2011-06-01 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13609260 Interesting psuedo cave related article.with perhaps some parallels to modern day cave women

[Texascavers] Ancient Cave Women....left childhood homes

2011-06-01 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13609260 Interesting psuedo cave related article.with perhaps some parallels to modern day cave women

Re: [Texascavers] Sinking Cove Successful Rescue

2011-05-31 Thread John P Brooks
The article had links to a flickr slide show of the cave. And it also had a link to a google map location for the cave. --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sinking Cove Successful Rescue To: Linda Palit

Re: [Texascavers] Sinking Cove Successful Rescue

2011-05-31 Thread John P Brooks
The article had links to a flickr slide show of the cave. And it also had a link to a google map location for the cave. --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sinking Cove Successful Rescue To: Linda Palit

Re: [Texascavers] Sinking Cove Successful Rescue

2011-05-31 Thread John P Brooks
The article had links to a flickr slide show of the cave. And it also had a link to a google map location for the cave. --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sinking Cove Successful Rescue To: Linda Palit

[Texascavers] Finding Lost Cities in Eygpt with infrared

2011-05-26 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13522957 This is an interesting approach being used to find Lost Cities and forgotten pyramids in Egypt. The program airs on the BBC on May 30, 2011. It would be interesting to see if this technique could be used to find caves.

[Texascavers] Finding Lost Cities in Eygpt with infrared

2011-05-26 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13522957 This is an interesting approach being used to find Lost Cities and forgotten pyramids in Egypt. The program airs on the BBC on May 30, 2011. It would be interesting to see if this technique could be used to find caves.

[Texascavers] Finding Lost Cities in Eygpt with infrared

2011-05-26 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13522957 This is an interesting approach being used to find Lost Cities and forgotten pyramids in Egypt. The program airs on the BBC on May 30, 2011. It would be interesting to see if this technique could be used to find caves.

Re: [Texascavers] Re: new mars sinkhole photo

2011-04-25 Thread John P Brooks
If you zoom inThere are actually 4 parallel lines visible in the sinkole. Maybe they rigged it for a spring Caver / Naturefest party on Mars. --- On Sun, 4/24/11, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: new mars sinkhole photo To:

Re: [Texascavers] Re: new mars sinkhole photo

2011-04-25 Thread John P Brooks
If you zoom inThere are actually 4 parallel lines visible in the sinkole. Maybe they rigged it for a spring Caver / Naturefest party on Mars. --- On Sun, 4/24/11, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: new mars sinkhole photo To:

Re: [Texascavers] Re: new mars sinkhole photo

2011-04-25 Thread John P Brooks
If you zoom inThere are actually 4 parallel lines visible in the sinkole. Maybe they rigged it for a spring Caver / Naturefest party on Mars. --- On Sun, 4/24/11, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: new mars sinkhole photo To:

[Texascavers] PNG Caves on Google Earth

2011-03-17 Thread John P Brooks
After seeing Sanctum...I was interested in the real story of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. And I have been reading Beneath the Cloud Forests by Howard Beck. It is a history of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. Numerous expeditions were lured to PNG after seeing large mega dolines

[Texascavers] PNG Caves on Google Earth

2011-03-17 Thread John P Brooks
After seeing Sanctum...I was interested in the real story of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. And I have been reading Beneath the Cloud Forests by Howard Beck. It is a history of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. Numerous expeditions were lured to PNG after seeing large mega dolines

[Texascavers] Dallas Morning News Article on Caving 101 at CaCa

2011-03-09 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.dallasnews.com/travel/southwest/20110305-caving-101-at-carlsbad-caverns.ece From today's Dallas Morning News...

Re: [Texascavers] obnoxious landowners

2011-03-04 Thread John P Brooks
Many recreational cavers have no desire to attend grotto meetings, but getting a monthly caving publication in their mailbox is a good start towards educating even the rawest spelunker about current events in the caving world. Do any Caving organizations other than the NSS actually send out

Re: [Texascavers] U.S. customs agents killed and wounded outside Monterrey today

2011-02-16 Thread John P Brooks
to quote a famous song by Gil Scott Herron: the revolution will not be televisedapparently he was wrong in this instance. He also had a great song entitled Whitie on the moon...which is appropriate music for another topic of discussion today --- On Wed, 2/16/11, Diana Tomchick

Re: [Texascavers] Sanctum

2011-02-08 Thread John P Brooks
Not a dive trip? Huh? Nullabor was very much a cave diving trip/expedition. They used large underwater sleds (aka big diver propulsion vehicles) to haul massive amounts of tanks over long distances...and used dive scooters.and besides the epic flood and the incident; the cave and

[Texascavers] Cavers in Puerto Rico?

2011-01-05 Thread John P Brooks
Does anyone have any caver contacts in Puerto Rico? I will be down there in a few weeks...and think it would be fun to going caving for a day or two. Please respond OFF LIST.

[Texascavers] Stenlight wire connectors problems?

2011-01-03 Thread John P Brooks
Has anyone experienced problems with the wire connector plugs on Stenlights? My Sten light seems to be having some issues.

Re: [Texascavers] 9:00 CDT tonight: World's Biggest Cave on National Geographic channel

2010-12-21 Thread John P Brooks
This show is replaying on Monday, December 27th at 5 pm Plenty of time to hit those post Christmas sales and buy a BIG screen TV. --- On Mon, 12/20/10, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] 9:00 CDT tonight: World's

[Texascavers] Lost World blog on NY TIMES website

2010-12-21 Thread John P Brooks
http://scientistatwork.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/following-maps-and-finding-a-lost-world/?ref=science This is an interesting BLOG on the NY Times website, posted by a expedition in Madagascar. In this and other posts; they have visited quite a few caves. They don't have a TV show requiring a

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Caving on the moon

2010-12-20 Thread John P Brooks
Maybe the TCMA  ( aka...The Caving on the Moon Association) will buy it for us. --- On Mon, 12/20/10, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Caving on the moon To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post:

Re: [Texascavers] Devils River State Natural Area‏

2010-10-29 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/texas/features/art29779.html   I think the seller is Rod Sanders of Dallas. Apparently, if it is the same Sanders, he is a trustee with the Nature Conservancy. --- On Fri, 10/29/10, edwin lehr edwin_leh...@hotmail.com wrote: From: edwin

[Texascavers] Lumens ?

2010-09-16 Thread John P Brooks
I have a question for you engineers.   The Sten light power brightness summary :   http://www.stenlight.com/fact-sheet.htm   States that on TURBO setting with no limiting the LUMEN output is 140 lumens...and at the top of the chart it says the units are LUMENS 2 ( squared).   What does that

[Texascavers] cave closures

2010-08-04 Thread John P Brooks
Please excuse my recent rant concerning TPWD cave closures due WNS. I apologize if my rant offended anyone.   For the record; I think we should do everything we can do to preserve bat populations; because like Logan, I can't imagine Texas without bats.   I understand that most of the caves

Re: [Texascavers] dumb list

2010-05-26 Thread John P. Brooks
After 30 years of active caving...and very few incidents to report from vertical caving; I recently found myself in this predicament. My t shirt was pulled into my rack...through to about the second bar. My first impulse was to try to cut it loose...but fortunately did not have a knife. As it was

[Texascavers] Another cave-like building

2010-02-26 Thread John P. Brooks
I find it interesting that there are some many new cave like buildings..from the new Las Vegas casino project by Jean Nouvel, based on Caves.( he got the geology wrong, but cool building ).The gambling halls are designed to look like large cave rooms. And now the torch at the

Re: [Texascavers] caves versus guns

2010-02-22 Thread John P Brooks
I would agree with AndyI am not one of the states foremost snake-i-tologists, picnic-i-tologists or gun-i-toligists...nor do I own a gun. But in over 30 years of caving in Texas and in the rattlesnake invested Arbuckle Mountains; I have never seen the need to carry a gun, or shoot a snake

[Texascavers] A 'cave boutique

2010-02-16 Thread John P. Brooks
No need to dye trace this ³cave²...and it comes complete with the latest fashions and LED lighting http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/9170/suppose-design-office-karis .html

Re: [Texascavers] Re: underground texting

2010-02-01 Thread John P Brooks
I will refrain from texting underground...so do not see the need to abbreviate. If I am ever in need of a rescue while caving; you should expect to NOT hear anything from me. Sonext time I post on my facebook page that I am going caving...and IF NO ONE receives a text from me...you

Re: [Texascavers] Brad Pitt buys house with cave.

2010-01-26 Thread John P Brooks
http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/brad-pitt-buys-bachelor-pad-01-26-2010   Don't get too worked up...it's a man cave. Not sure what THAT is proof of...but maybe Angelina will spill the sordid details   --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mallory Mayeux

[Texascavers] cave like house.....

2010-01-22 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/8827/search-and-cma-villa-vals.html   Here is an interesting cave like house

Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

2009-12-18 Thread John P Brooks
I have kept paper copies of the Texas Caver around for over 30 yearsthere hasn't been any degradation, other folded corners or slight yellowing of the paperand I haven't had to make new copies every 10 years or so..and unlike digital copies which may, by the admissions below, not be

Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member

2009-12-14 Thread John P. Brooks
I want to save the TSA from financial ruinI will go digital if Ediger renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that commitment? On 12/14/09 1:14 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Welcome back, Karen! Now, if we could only get Ediger to rejoin!

Re: [Texascavers] SUCKERS REVISITED

2009-10-26 Thread John P. Brooks
Shouldn¹t this subject fall into the category of ³Don¹t ask, Don¹t tell² ? On 10/26/09 7:35 PM, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net wrote: Louise is refering to a photograph that was not posted to TexasCavers but rather to a small number of former Carta Valley cavers and was not intended

[Texascavers] Google maps seeking nominations

2009-10-16 Thread John P. Brooks
Google maps is seeking nominations for where to ride their trike...that is specially equipped to record a 360 view...there are some examples on the website of Santa Monica Pier yawn.and a shopping mall...yawn yawnand the Monterrey Bay Bike Trailok...a little better. They are

[Texascavers] Scary underground tunnels....

2009-10-05 Thread John P. Brooks
Not real sure what's so scary about these tunnels..but these are some pretty cool cave like photos: http://smoont.com/10-scariest-underground-tunnels/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [Texascavers] Speleotherapy related

2009-10-03 Thread John P. Brooks
I wonder if they serve pretzels, pop corn or beer in the salt cave? On 10/3/09 2:05 PM, Matt Turner kat...@yahoo.com wrote: Those are some awesome Pseudo-science websites you found there. Seems everyone is getting on the Ionized Air craze. http://www.thebiomatcompany.us/ Who knew

[Texascavers] Slide scanning services?

2009-10-03 Thread John P. Brooks
Can anyone recommend a good slide scanning service? Have thousands of old caving slides.and would like to get some scanned. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:

RE: [Texascavers] Big Brother

2009-09-01 Thread John P Brooks
Scan away...I have nothing to hide.Its all around us...and is probably pointless to worry about. Yes...The new passports are scannable...and many countries that require VISAs are making those scannable as wellOn a recent trip to BrazilMy VISA and passport was scanned in Brazil and

Re: [Texascavers] free diving in sumps-or not

2009-08-30 Thread John P. Brooks
We used to free dive several sumps in some Oklahoma caves..while surveying one water cave; we realized that there was a submerged passage coming into the cave from one side...on the next survey trip; we brought in a mask...and by dropping under the water could see the mirrored surface of the

Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread John P. Brooks
Did someone mention Dallas? On 8/25/09 7:49 PM, Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net wrote: WhoaŠ. After cave-camping without water except for food for a week life is still good, and squizzin¹ still worth it.  But there is not going to be that little water.  Besides ­ options are limited

Re: [Texascavers] Seeking Logan McNatt's email address!!!

2009-08-05 Thread John P. Brooks
logan.mcn...@tpwd.state.tx.us On 8/5/09 7:32 PM, Marlena Cobb marlenac...@hotmail.com wrote: If anyone has it, could you please send it to me? Many thanks! ___ Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens

RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories

2009-07-30 Thread John P Brooks
LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock in your pack.   Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele... --- On Thu, 7/30/09,

Re: [Texascavers] Gold mines in Texas

2009-06-26 Thread John P. Brooks
When checking a cave near Montell and Camp Wood years ago...we were shown a pit that the landowner claimed was an old silver mine. I was dubious..but we checked it. And it was obviously an excavated hole...and not a cave. In southern Oklahoma (north of here, in case you were

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

2009-04-19 Thread John P. Brooks
Why was the River Walk tour canceled? Is there a threat of spreading WNS to the pigeons? On 4/17/09 8:58 AM, Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org wrote: Yes, but be prepared to rigorously follow all decon procedures. No bat caves will be visited during that trip. -- Crash From: Preston

Re: [Texascavers] Dada means Death!

2009-03-22 Thread John P. Brooks
I would think that playing Russian Roulette...you would be a ³dumb-ass² way before getting to the 6 out of 6 times.in fact; if you are at that point in life.you have probably been one for much of your existence On 3/22/09 11:37 AM, Ron Miller rons...@yahoo.com wrote: Back in the

Re: [Texascavers] Kinda hurts my soul

2009-02-21 Thread John P. Brooks
Excuse me for sounding like a sour pussbut it is a quarry.AND WHY isn¹t anyone¹s ³soul hurting² for the caves that have been and are being destroyed by urban sprawl in Central Texas? In my humble opinion; building houses, Walmarts, hotels, strip centers AND patronizing those business is a

Re: [Texascavers] guano question

2008-12-05 Thread John P. Brooks
I may have been in deeper or worse guano before.but the grossest for me was in Stowers Cave in Texas. I went a little way past the bat room at the back into a crawland the floor was about 16 inches of bat guano with the gelatinous quality of jello.the smell was horrid...and I was

[Texascavers] 2008 DFWG Holiday Party

2008-11-28 Thread John P. Brooks
Metroplex Cavers, Its that time of year again.dig those white elelphant gifts out of the closetand plan on attending the DFWG Holiday Party. The details: December 13, 2008 7:30 pm until 1:00 am 6879 Avalon Avenue Dallas, Texas 75214 214.320.0166 What to bring ?

Re: [Texascavers] TSA Election Results

2008-11-19 Thread John P. Brooks
- Original Message - From: John P. Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: [Texascavers] TSA Election Results TSA Members and Texas Cavers; I am pleased to announce the results of the TSA

[Texascavers] TSA Election Results

2008-11-18 Thread John P. Brooks
TSA Members and Texas Cavers; I am pleased to announce the results of the TSA Election of officers for 2009: Chairman: Mark Alman Vice Chairman: Rob Bissett Treasurer: Darla Bishop Secretary: Denise Prendergast Congratulations to all. And thank you to all candidates who accepted a

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Architect Magazine:

2008-09-05 Thread John P. Brooks
W's gestapo has taken on that moniker as well.. On 9/5/08 8:21 PM, Gill Ediger gi...@worldnet.att.net wrote: At 12:41 PM 9/5/2008, RD Milhollin wrote: I just saw this article in the magazine. Kudos to BCI, beautiful design. You will notice, I hope, that the Texas Society of

[Texascavers] World Heritage Site panography

2008-08-14 Thread John P Brooks
http://www.world-heritage-tour.org/ I found this site to be quite fascinating. They are creating panographs of UNESCO world Heritage and posting these to this site. The intent is to make it possible for those who are disabled or otherwise cannot make the trip to visit and experience something

Re: [Texascavers] Wall Arch collapsed

2008-08-10 Thread John P. Brooks
I wonder if people climbing on it had anything to do with the collapse On 8/10/08 8:00 AM, Gill Ediger gi...@worldnet.att.net wrote: The not-so-well-known Wall Arch in Arches National Park has collapsed. Photos at:

Re: [Texascavers] Caves in South America

2008-08-02 Thread John P. Brooks
Interesting articlethey were surprised to find water in a cave in the driest place on earth.and then they were surprised to find animal bones in another cave?seems like they should have invited a PHD in Common Sense along on their expedition. On 8/1/08 11:23 AM, Gill Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention

2008-07-29 Thread John P Brooks
I have been an NSS member for close to 30 years...and to date have been to a full convention once...and parts of a convention twice...and I would say that I am a very dedicated member despite not fully drinking the kool aide every summer. I would enjoy attending more conventions...but would

[Texascavers] Wikipedia and St. Pauls Cave

2008-07-12 Thread John P. Brooks
Here is one that you missed David. It has a wikipedia page also. But the UNESCO page has more information. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/652/ I visited this while I was in the Philippines in June. It is quite spectacular and a very fun tour. You take a banca across a bay on the south China Sea

Re: [Texascavers] Music in Caves

2008-07-12 Thread John P. Brooks
There is a hotel built in a lava tube in the canary islands as wellthe pool is in a large sinkhole. And adjoining sinkholes have restaurants in them. Of course the public spaces and corridors run through the lava tubes. And I think the rooms are built in smaller sinkholes. It is quite a famous

Re: [Texascavers] RE: wikianswers - part 3

2008-06-27 Thread John P. Brooks
On 6/27/08 6:01 PM, George Veni gv...@warpdriveonline.com wrote: This is the notorious problem with Wikis. In principle they allow a great and open exchange of information, but in practice the lack of quality control allows anyone to post just about anything, even information that is terrible

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Cave rescue in Tennessee?

2008-03-22 Thread John P. Brooks
It is interesting that they left to go caving at 10 pm.alcohol and testosterone must have played a big part in their expedition planning. On 3/21/08 9:06 PM, Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: Frank Binney posted: Search Underway for 4 Missing Tennessee Cavers The

[Texascavers] TSA Members meeting at Spring Convention!

2008-03-20 Thread John P. Brooks
Greetings Texas Cavers, This is a reminder that there will be a TSA meeting at the convention. Like last year; the meeting will be convened after the last programs are complete and just before dinner. Please see the schedule of meetings being circulated for the exact time. If you are interested

[Texascavers] Fwd: Deep Down Underground event, Austin, TX

2008-02-14 Thread John P Brooks
Is anyone in Austin available to help this group out? John Brooks Note: forwarded message attached. ---BeginMessage--- Hello, We are having a special event to educate Austin schoolchildren in K-3rd grades about caves in central Texas. It will take place at the Sheffield Education

Re: [Texascavers] prints of Devil's Sinkhole painting

2008-02-08 Thread John P Brooks
Yesstrangely you left out the format it IS available in.in a framed print hanging on your living room wall ! On Feb 8, 2008 10:10 AM, David wrote: I would like to see Jacqui's painting on a T-shirt. And embroidered on the back of my denim cave-patch jacket. And a quilt. And a

RE: [Texascavers] [Caving in Star Trek]

2008-02-07 Thread John P Brooks
Maybe the TSS should publish quot;The Caves of the Federation od Planetsquot;or perhaps the ICS should change it name to the Intergalactic Conference of Speleology. Travis could set up conference trips to lava tubes on Mars or the moon. Maybe NASA could be enlisted as a sponsor and provide

[Texascavers] FW: Pseudo Archeology on the Discovery Channel

2008-01-27 Thread John P. Brooks
Hello All - We watched the Bone Detective program about Maya burial caves in Belize (Midnight Terror, Actun Tunichil Muknal and a shelter cave near Caves Branch) on the Discovery Channel and were appalled by the destruction of a stalagmite, the lack of respect for the caves and their contents

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Show on Discovery Channel

2008-01-23 Thread John P Brooks
But if the earth is only 8 to 10,000 years old...why is the age of speleothems important? Does dating them prove that the cave existed before creation? Geary Schindel wrote: Mark,   Maybe one of the specialists in this area will respond with more detailed information but yes,

[Texascavers] FW: tpwd tv

2008-01-22 Thread John P Brooks
- Original Message - Subject: tpwd tv Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:26:36 From: Don Cash don.c...@tpwd.state.tx.us To: chair...@cavetexas.org John,     I’ve produced a segment for the Texas Parks Wildlife television show on the LiDAR laser mapping project at the Devil’s

Re: [Texascavers] Listserve lunacy:

2008-01-19 Thread John P. Brooks
³I¹ve done some caving in Texas but was not much impressed by the caves. ³ I doubt there is a cave anywhere in the US or internationally that can rival BMC or Caverns of Sonora...except maybe the ³L² cave in New Mexicoand not many anywhere much better than Midnight Cave.

Re: [Texascavers] RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver

2008-01-19 Thread John P. Brooks
The TSA does a lot for Texas Caving...but we apparently do not do a good job of bragging about all that we do... Here is one very real benefit that the TSA provides to ALL Texas Cavers whether they are members or not: The TSA is providing funding for improvements to the tower at Honey Creek Cave.

Re: [Texascavers] TSA Winter Meeting at Colorado Bend State Park Project, January 11-13th

2008-01-10 Thread John P. Brooks
9 AM On Saturday. Finish by 10.45 and go caving! On 1/9/08 3:29 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote: So what time will the TSA meeting be held and on Saturday or Sunday? Terry H. rafal kedzierski wrote: TSA Winter Meeting at Colorado Bend State Park project weekend is up on

Re: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism

2008-01-10 Thread John P. Brooks
³Right, back to microprocessors... at least we know when they started and where they came from. Stefan² WELL DuhWe all know microprocessors came from partially destroyed, high evolved Terminators, sent from the future, to kill Sarah Connors first born male child.

RE: [Texascavers] OT - the Chuck Stuehm Award

2008-01-03 Thread John P Brooks
David Locklear The TSA does have an Awards committee and chair...when we can find someone willing to take this task onthe TSA has also resorted to the officers as a defacto awards committee. As with any volunteer organization; the TSA can and will do whatever our membership wants to

RE: [Texascavers] OT - the Chuck Stuehm Award

2008-01-03 Thread John P Brooks
David Locklear The TSA does have an Awards committee and chair...when we can find someone willing to take this task onthe TSA has also resorted to the officers as a defacto awards committee. As with any volunteer organization; the TSA can and will do whatever our membership wants to

RE: [Texascavers] OT - the Chuck Stuehm Award

2008-01-03 Thread John P Brooks
David Locklear The TSA does have an Awards committee and chair...when we can find someone willing to take this task onthe TSA has also resorted to the officers as a defacto awards committee. As with any volunteer organization; the TSA can and will do whatever our membership wants to

RE: [Texascavers] OT - Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste

2007-12-19 Thread John P Brooks
Radioactive concrete block? That#39;s absurd...I can assure you that if there was even a small level of radioactivity or anything harmful in these blocks...building codes would ban them and or our liability insurance would prohibit the use...concrete block is safe...although I would think twice

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-12 Thread John P Brooks
Those Guatemala caves must be open pits? Or caves without roofs. I have seen P51s fly over while caving in Carta Valley before. Actually, we were looking for caves. Because if we were, tevhnically caving, unless the rock was transperant, we wouldn,t have seen them.of course, with the

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-12 Thread John P Brooks
images of cave interiors. I could take a cave trip and never leave the farm! All I would need is a can of Guano Air Freshener to complete the illusion. Corky John P Brooks wrote: Those Guatemala caves must be open pits? Or caves without roofs. I have seen P51s fly over while caving in Carta

Re: [Texascavers] Flying suits video

2007-12-10 Thread John P. Brooks
This is probably a very good test for the theory of evolution also. On 12/10/07 3:20 PM, CaverArch cavera...@aol.com wrote: There is a New York Times cover article today on the folks experimenting with flying suits (as on the viral video of late) that discusses their ultimate objective: to

RE: [Texascavers] theTerlingua Mine

2007-12-05 Thread John P Brooks
wrote: I did a quick search at USGS pubs and terlingua brings up seven pub titles.. Ted -Original Message- From: John P Brooks Sent: Dec 4, 2007 3:36 PM To: gi...@worldnet.att.net Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] theTerlingua Mine Interesting stories! I might

RE: [Texascavers] theTerlingua Mine

2007-12-04 Thread John P Brooks
Interesting stories! I might add, there is a very nice USGS publication on the mines of the Terlingua area. It has descriptions of many of the old minesand really cool maps that look like cave maps. I think it is out of print...but if you ever see it for sale at a second hand book

[Texascavers] First Annual Conference of Creation Geologists

2007-11-27 Thread John P Brooks
I was wondering if anyone else saw the article on the first annual gathering of Creation Geologists in last weeks New York Times Magazine? Great reading. An interesting and dramatic account of the first conference of creation geologists as they struggle through the perplexing geologic questions

Re: [Texascavers] the geology conference

2007-11-27 Thread John P Brooks
David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Why did our ancient ancestors do things in caves that we have no record of? Probably for the same reason that there isn't a record of some of the things that we have done in caves.

Re: [Texascavers] OT Albert Texas sold

2007-11-27 Thread John P Brooks
I don't think that included the historic school housewhere LBJ once attended school. qui...@clearwire.net wrote: I had this in an email from someone today. I think it was posted here earllier. Quinta Posted Nov 25th 2007 3:02PM by Rigel Gregg Filed under: Auctions You

[Texascavers] Cult in cave siege

2007-11-17 Thread John P. Brooks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7098671.stm Russia cult members in cave siege Scene of the doomsday cult stand-off in southern Russia Orthodox monks have been trying to reach the cave Police and clergy in southern Russia are trying to negotiate with members of a doomsday cult barricaded

Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop

2007-11-15 Thread John P Brooks
I agree...using photoshop is neither good or bad. It is just another tool for creating images. As for the extraordinary cave photos that prompted this discussion; I thought they were stunning. They were executed with a sound understanding of composition, color and most important; art was

Re: [Texascavers] cave mapping from the surface ?

2007-11-15 Thread John P Brooks
That doesn't seem like much fun. Wouldn't that take all the mystery and excitement out of cave exploration? I think we should protest this intrusion on our domain. David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: There was something in the news this week about the launching of a big research

RE: [Texascavers] speleo-kayaking

2007-11-08 Thread John P Brooks
You can cave canoe in barton creek cave in belize. Its a quite popular tourist attraction...a few tousand feet in...the river is blocked by a collapse...and you start quot;cavingquot; at that point. David Locklear wrote: That photo in the previous post shows a scenic cave. I would love to

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