Re: [Texascavers] A funny story

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

What would be the consequences of your Sequoia breaking loose, crashing and 
catching fire on the way back from where it currently resides to Houston?

-Stefan

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:11 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: David 
Subject: [Texascavers] A funny story

When I was brainstorming wacko crazy ideas on how to get to the 2017 NSS Howdy 
Party, it never occurred to me that I would be better off to tow the Sequoia 
from Houston to Albuquerque and then catch a bus home.

I am getting reamed.
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Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip Report # 6

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Please can someone in Houston rescue David?!!!

-Stefan

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Nancy Weaver via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 9:18 PM
To: TexasCavers 
Cc: Nancy Weaver 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip Report # 6

doesn’t houston have uber or lyft?

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Re: [Texascavers] From bad to worse

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Next time David goes to buy a vehicle can a qualified mechanic go with him so 
he doesn’t buy a piece of junk?

Of course then, we won’t get any traffic on TexasCavers and that would be bad 
;-)

That’s my professional opinion as a troll :-)

-Stefan

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Galen Falgout via Texascavers

Louise,
It is not that old if a truck and still worth allot of money. It's a toyota 
they retain their value very well. This is my professional opinion as a 
mechanic.

On Jun 22, 2017 12:45 PM, "Louise Power via Texascavers" 
> wrote:

Why don't you just junk the damned thing. You probably couldn't recover what 
you've spent, but you'd at least have bus fare to Houston.


From: Texascavers 
>
 on behalf of David via Texascavers 
>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 6:34 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: David
Subject: [Texascavers] From bad to worse

I spent the entire day with a roadside mobile-mechanic futily attempting to get 
back on the road.

I abandoned the Sequoia at the Chevron station, and called my 
estranged-brother-in-law ( my half-sister's husband ) to come rescue me.  That 
was a low-point in my life.

A wrecker service is supposed to take the Sequoia to a shop in the town of 
Mansfield, where it may need expensive repairs.

I am at my half-sister's house now, in Mansfield quite bummed out and concerned 
about my immediate future.

Meanwhile, drama is going on down in Houston that I should have been there to 
deal with.

At this point, I am past the limit of exhaustion to deal with it all.

I should have gone and sat in front of a waterfall like my 6th Sense told me to 
do.

I must find a ride to Houston.   I may have to take a bus.

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] book review: Twelve Miles from Daylight

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

If anyone wants one then perhaps Crash can get them with a bulk discount at 
'Convention?

-Stefan

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
Kennedy via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:18 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Jim Kennedy 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Twelve Miles from Daylight

They are available from the authors here at the NSS Convention for only $44.95. 
I bought mine on Mindy.

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
>
> "Twelve Miles from Daylight: Fort Stanton Cave and the Snowy River 
> Discovery." Edited by Pete Lindsley and Lee Skinner. Fort Stanton Cave Study 
> Project, Placitas, New Mexico. ISBN 978-0-939748-83-9. 9 by 12 inches, 
> softbound, vi+306 pages+foldout. $54.95.
>

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Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention - to drive or fly from Houston ??

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Stay home; much better option.

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 3:06 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
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Subject: [Texascavers] NSS Convention - to drive or fly from Houston ??

http://david-locklear.blogspot.com/2017/06/nss-convention-trip-preparation.html
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Re: [Texascavers] Anybody out there still blogging ?

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Well at least *somebody* is posting something!

Quit complaining and post something cave related then, it’s too quiet here.

-Stefan
(retired cook and now professional PITA)

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
James Jasek via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:10 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: James Jasek 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Anybody out there still blogging ?

It is more or less like he is the only one posting on CaveTex and is the reason 
I got off.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Louise Power via Texascavers 
> wrote:

I thought you said a couple of years ago that you were going to quit emailing 
because nobody answered. Now nobody is answering the blog. Does this tell you 
something?


From: Texascavers 
>
 on behalf of David via Texascavers 
>
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:57 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: David
Subject: [Texascavers] Anybody out there still blogging ?

I have decided to give blogging another try.My previous attempts failed
miserably to annoy anybody.

I am not sure how you find me on a blog, but I think the link below shows 10
post that I blogged over the last 4 years.

 https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=6768672593579462012
Blogger
www.blogger.com
Free weblog publishing tool from Google, for sharing text, photos and video.



Below is an example of a post that I added to my blog I today.

   
http://david-locklear.blogspot.com/2017/06/mageia-6-release-candidate-may-2017.html

I should I have another blog out there somewhere on the web that I have not 
used in years, from
before the blog above started.


The NSS Convention is just 19 days away. In order for me to attend that I 
would want to leave
Houston by Thursday the 15th, or Friday the 16th.  But knowing my past 
attempts, I will probably
leave late, and arrive late.

I have some new drama this year that I did not have on my road-trip to Nevada 
last summer.   I ma
living in a motel, and it would be stupid to pay for a motel here in Houston, 
during the days I am out
of town.While that would only be about $ 280 thrown away, it is still just 
stupid.  Moving out of the
motel, would be complicated as I have most of my stuff here just as I would in 
a furnished apartment,
It would take a full-day to pack up and store all my stuff in storage.That 
would just be inconvenient,
as I would have to repeat the process when coming back.Plus I do not want 
to lose this particular
room as it is the best one in the motel.My next issue is 2 shyster 
customers ripped me off and it
is starting to look like I am going to lose about $ 1,400.My next issue, is 
my gas-guzzling Seqouia
needs lots of maintenance. If I were a betting person, I would bet that I 
do not make it to the Howdy
Party this year.  So realistically, I need to lower my expectations, and 
just try to attend the Tuesday
festivities only and just get a Day Pass.

David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Bread will go stale overnight, you should serve them “au naturel” too…

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Eric Flint via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:40 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

Well guess I'll toss it out. Unless some one else steps up I'm cook boss this 
year. We are have hamburgers and hotdogs. Thank you Charlie Loving for making 
me feel a lot better about making this menu desision. I haven't decided if you 
people deserve katchup yet.
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Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

That’s right – free meat doesn’t exist until it’s shot, and in the freezer.

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:18 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

I have freezer space.

--Don



--Don
On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
> wrote:
If Vico wants a hog I have a dozen or so to shoot.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Eric Flint via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Well guess I'll toss it out. Unless some one else steps up I'm cook boss this 
year. We are have hamburgers and hotdogs. Thank you Charlie Loving for making 
me feel a lot better about making this menu desision. I haven't decided if you 
people deserve katchup yet.
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

I will bring warm beer (needed after those cold, English, caves) and see what I 
can remember.

Maybe now is the time to organize that caving trip to the old country?

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stefan_creaser

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Steele via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 7:59 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

Stefan, I join Allan in thanking you for busting your arse for many years to 
feed us at TCR. You can always drink my cold beer at TCR. Swing by and tell me 
more stories of caving in the old country.

Bill Steele

On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:41 AM, AC via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Stefan,

I remember Niki Lake bringing a bunch of hog to either the first or second time 
at Paradise Canyon.

Just for the record, I really appreciate the years you cooked for me at TCR. 
Thank you again. Let's get together at TCR, have some leisurely drinks, and 
watch all the fun.

Allan

Smart phone, stupid autocorrect

On Feb 19, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
That one wasn’t cooked until Sunday morning.

Help isn’t required at this point, Ryan, there is always plenty of that. 
Someone to be in charge is.

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>. Skype: 
stefan_creaser

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
ryan monjaras via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:21 PM
To: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

2011 at Flat Creek Ranch. I like the idea of a hog on a spit as it ties in with 
the viking theme, and I would be happy to help.

Ryan Monjaras
"Semper Exploro"

Maverick Grotto
Cowtown Grotto
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UT Grotto
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From: David via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Date: 2/18/17 6:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR food

If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and fire-roasted 
vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some food cooked over 
wood, or at least charcoal.

I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
centerpiece of the table ?

I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some leftover 
scraps.

I can only pray that I will be single by then.

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Ah yes, apologies for my aging memory, that does ring a bell.

We can set up chairs opposite the cooks area and enjoy hotdogs and burgers; 
seeya then!

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of AC 
via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 6:42 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

Stefan,

I remember Niki Lake bringing a bunch of hog to either the first or second time 
at Paradise Canyon.

Just for the record, I really appreciate the years you cooked for me at TCR. 
Thank you again. Let's get together at TCR, have some leisurely drinks, and 
watch all the fun.

Allan

Smart phone, stupid autocorrect

On Feb 19, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
That one wasn’t cooked until Sunday morning.

Help isn’t required at this point, Ryan, there is always plenty of that. 
Someone to be in charge is.

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>. Skype: 
stefan_creaser

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
ryan monjaras via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:21 PM
To: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

2011 at Flat Creek Ranch. I like the idea of a hog on a spit as it ties in with 
the viking theme, and I would be happy to help.

Ryan Monjaras
"Semper Exploro"

Maverick Grotto
Cowtown Grotto
DFW Grotto
UT Grotto
Bexar Grotto
Greater Houston Grotto
Texas Speleological Association
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From: David via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Date: 2/18/17 6:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR food

If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and fire-roasted 
vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some food cooked over 
wood, or at least charcoal.

I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
centerpiece of the table ?

I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some leftover 
scraps.

I can only pray that I will be single by then.

David Locklear


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Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

That one wasn't cooked until Sunday morning.

Help isn't required at this point, Ryan, there is always plenty of that. 
Someone to be in charge is.

Stefan Creaser
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5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: 
stefan_creaser

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
ryan monjaras via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:21 PM
To: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

2011 at Flat Creek Ranch. I like the idea of a hog on a spit as it ties in with 
the viking theme, and I would be happy to help.

Ryan Monjaras
"Semper Exploro"

Maverick Grotto
Cowtown Grotto
DFW Grotto
UT Grotto
Bexar Grotto
Greater Houston Grotto
Texas Speleological Association
Texas Cave Management Association



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 Original message 
From: David via Texascavers 
>
Date: 2/18/17 6:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR food

If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and fire-roasted 
vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some food cooked over 
wood, or at least charcoal.

I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
centerpiece of the table ?

I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some leftover 
scraps.

I can only pray that I will be single by then.

David Locklear


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Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Over the years I've been promised tens of feral hogs for TCR dinner. Can't say 
I've ever seen one thou...

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-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Steele via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 6:31 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

Bill Stone has problems with feral hogs and I think he said he's got a live 
trap. Catch one, fatten it up, and Vico knows what to do next.

> On Feb 18, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
>
> I've donated meat. Two steers. I don't see anything wrong with a hog turning 
> on a spit. Surely we know hunters.
>
>
> --Don
>
>> On Feb 18, 2017, at 6:25 PM, David via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and 
>> fire-roasted vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some 
>> food cooked over wood, or at least charcoal.
>>
>> I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
>> centerpiece of the table ?
>>
>> I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some 
>> leftover scraps.
>>
>> I can only pray that I will be single by then.
>>
>> David Locklear
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR musician suggestion

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

No.

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:00 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR musician suggestion

I vote we bring these folks to TCR to perform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRwAl4pOAWE
Anybody 2nd the motion ??

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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR Food]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Thanks for forcing my hand, Don. I was going to write some suggestions/words 
later, but I’ll start now:

Firstly I’ll say I’m going to ignore a lot of the stuff Charles wrote; best 
leave those electrons to die out there on the interwebs.

c) Cooking for 350 people is a lot of work, but not as much as you’d think and 
especially if you have friends.  I don’t have nearly as many friends as Charles 
did when he was in charge, but we made do.  If you have lots of friends with a 
passing interest in food then step forward, you *can* do it. It’s lots of fun 
too.  I will provide some coaching, but it’ll have to be way before TCR (I’m 
hiding onsite that weekend ;-)

b) If you go this route then expect TCR to cost more. I’d estimate it’ll at 
least double the cost of food, you won’t get a variety nor a complete meal, 
either.


a)  Where would be the fun in that?  I’d suggest instead that you gather a 
bunch of people together and cook as a group. Maybe Grottos, and invite other 
Grottos over.

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 2:32 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] [TCR Food]


Currently TCR doesn't have a head cook, or menu. There have been complaints, 
rumors and talk about this subject. It seems there are three options: (a) fend 
for yourselves, (b) caterer, (c) volunteers come forward to cook.

Each has its benefit and drawbacks. I need to get a feel for options.



Discuss:

--Tex Caver


--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Who is going to cook?

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 3:43 PM
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Subject: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

Paradise Canyon
October 12-15, 2017


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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

I think Don’s point was “put up or shut up”.

Lots of people are swift to criticize, but are then back of the queue when 
volunteering to help…

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 4:00 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

These folks are volunteers. You should appreciate volunteers for the effort 
they put into whatever task they own. They certainly aren't doing it for the 
admiration. Otherwise, pay someone. Or do it yourself.
Sheryl Rieck
sheryl.ri...@gmail.com

"You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might 
find you get what you need" Rolling Stones

On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
> wrote:
As a trained and educated artist, recent volunteer Texas Cavers Reunion cat 
herder, and past Texas Caver Editor (a particularly thankless job) I have 
always found plenty of folks to endlessly criticize or complain, it's an 
integral part of the job and one learns to recognize the difference between 
"criticism" & "opinion". However, novices (volunteers who stepped up to do a 
job when no one else would) aren't usually trained or skilled or ready to deal 
with criticism. It can be counterproductive.


At TCR typically I ask critics to step up and help solve whatever they think 
isn't happening to their expectation. One of two things happens; they step up 
and do something -or- they shut up and do nothing. In my experience the vast 
majority of complainers choose the latter.


At TCR, lots of people voice ideas about how it -should- be done, and I get 
tons of criticism of how "it got done wrong", or how "it should be done in the 
future" or how "it was done better in the past". Plenty of suggestions, oodles 
of constructive ideas. But when it come time for those same volunteers to step 
up and stand behind their suggestions and help - very very few ever follow 
through. Ever. They usually disappear with the words "how about helping out 
then?" The ones that actually see the job done are the ones who want it done 
and do it.


Criticism can be constructive, such as when someone expects it or asks for it. 
Or the critic is willing to step in and help firsthand, which is usually 
welcomed. Especially useful are wisdom and experience. Otherwise it's just 
opinion.


When someone is struggling on the side of a busy highway trying to change a 
flat tire, it's real easy to drive past and shout out the window "lift with 
your knees!"

--Don



--Don
On Oct 26, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Carl Kunath via Texascavers 
> wrote:
The Texas Caver

So here we go again with the Texas Caver.  Every few years we are seeking a new 
editor or at least discussing options that might disburse the rowdy crowds that 
are assembling at the gates with torches and pitchforks.

What is gong on here?  Why is it that every few years there is a Texas Caver 
crisis and a less than graceful transition to a new editor?

There is lots of talk about the Texas Caver.  From the outset, there seems to 
have been some confusion regarding the difference between good journalism and 
nice graphic arts. Unfortunately, neither has been regularly in evidence.  
Maybe I've missed it, but I can't recall anyone praising the Caver for high 
quality journalism or the reliability of production.  The editor has a few 
passionate defenders who are willing to do battle with any and all detractors, 
but the current editorial has now acknowledged what has been evident for 
several years.

The coming transition is an opportunity to learn from previous mistakes. Texas 
cavers appreciate good grammar, proper spelling, and nice graphics but, failing 
that, are willing to forgive a lot if the Caver shows signs of having been 
carefully crafted with attention to detail:  nice photographs properly 
captioned and credited; articles well laid out with all elements present; no 
space used as a personal blog; and perhaps most importantly, timely production.

I was handed a copy of the most recent Texas Caver at the TSA meeting Sunday 
morning, October 16.  When I looked at the cover, my first thought was "huh?"   
I rotated the page through 360 degrees as I searched in vain for a person or 
anything for scale.  Despairing, I then looked inside for the caption 
information.  I didn't find much.  The picture credits Peter Bosted and 
apparently depicts a scene from the Big Island, Hawaii.  I infer that it 
pictures something within a cave and is not merely a hand sample from a flea 

Re: [Texascavers] REI wild caving trip in Statesman

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Well here is a way Grottos could make some money ;-)

And thanks for the confirmation, Diana, I thought that rappel device was 
somewhat out of place!

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 3:24 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] REI wild caving trip in Statesman

Wow, $145 for a guided trip into Gorman Creek Cave, complete with the wrong 
kind of rappelling device for a caver!

Nichols Outdoor Adventure should charge more than $50 for their trip.

Diana

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(214) 645-6353 (fax)

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[Texascavers] TCR cooks wrap-up (sort of...)

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

The coolers are washed and put away, the recycling sorted (thanks all for only 
0.5% trash in there!) and put out, bills paid... Only the washing up and 
re-pack of the trailer to go...

Would like to thank the Aggies for another *outstanding* contribution - helping 
cook, serve, wash up after (!!), dismantle tent and re-pack of trailer. We 
could not do the weekend without their help, and it is *very* much appreciated.

The following people were largely responsible for getting all y'all fed  -  
Cammy and Vico Jones, Sean Vincent, Laura, Jocie Hooper, Eric Flint, Rob 
Upchurch, and a host of choppers (too many to list), stirrers and last minute 
shoppers (Ken Demarest)! I want to thank them for all their hard work, and 
putting up with me being a miserable  all Saturday! Oh, and Sam Marshall 
for hauling the new trailer to and from TCR.


I have been chief cook and bottle washer for 10 TCRs now and the time has come 
for me to hang up my spoon and apron, and pass the trailer keys to a new, more 
enthusiastic, volunteer. It has been an interesting ride, but I need to enjoy 
Paradise Canyon from the other side of the pot sometime.

If you have the desire to take this on - lead a team of enthusiastic volunteers 
of your making, cooking food for your greater circle of friends, then please 
get in touch asap and we'll pass on some wisdom before our old brains erase it.

So long, and thanks for all the chillies.

-Stefan

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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: 2015 Chuck Stuehm Award Winners

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Technically Eric Flint cooked the stew, but I’ve no idea how coz he wasn’t 
sober :-)

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Loving via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: 2015 Chuck Stuehm Award Winners

OK. BUT THERE ARE QUALITIES FOR CAVER STEW. IT IS A STEW. It is usually 
concocted at the entrance to a car after a long and arduous caving trip. 
Sometimes it gets eaten by sneaky dogs. Caver stew has certain elements. Fresh 
onions. Noodles, cheese, mushroom soup, salt and pepper and other things to 
make it wonderful.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Katherine Arens via Texascavers 
> wrote:
THAT is a no-brainer:  Stefan Creaser . . .

katie arens

On Oct 18, 2016, at 19:02, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
> wrote:


And who got the Oldman Wisdom award? Huh? Who? It goes to the person who cooks 
the very best caver stew.


On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Ellie Falgout via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Congratulations to the following 2016 Chuck Stuehm Award winners who were 
announced at TCR:

Courtney McClymont - Greater Houston Grotto

Ken Demerest - UT Grotto

MJ Gibbons - Bexar Grotto
Juliana Rincon -  DFW Grotto

The award is named after Raymond Chuck Stuehm (pronounced “Steam”) who was a 
member of several Grottos in the San Antonio area and was especially good at 
guiding, working with, and encouraging new cavers. Chuck's memory is honored 
every time a new, exceptionally exuberant caver receives this award.

Thank you to all the Grottos for their participation.
Ellie Watson
2009 Chuck Steuhm Winner


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Re: [Texascavers] any Houston area cavers going ?

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

David,

The most important part of TCR is the parade, dinner and party afterwards. Keep 
your clients happy and come out Saturday morning/afternoon. Hopefully someone 
can give you a ride.

Cheers,
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 2:16 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] any Houston area cavers going ?


from David Locklear, dlocklea...@gmail.com

I am self-employed and in theory, I could leave Houston at 5 p.m. today, 
Thursday, and drive non-stop to Paradise Canyon in my luxurious 4x4 Sequoia.

However, that would be a very irresponsible thing to do, and a bad business 
decision.( I get over half of my weekly jobs ) on Friday afternoon, and I 
do not want my competitors getting my client, as I probably would never get 
that client back.

That would also mean leaving Houston in hellacious traffic.

Also, I would have to charge the trip on plastic, and I haven't yet paid for my 
NSS Convention trip.

Also, I might have to leave Paradise Canyon if a client calls.

Also, my estranged-wife is celebrating her 55th birthday at our house on 
Saturday afternoon, and I have not yet decided if I am going to that.   There 
will be some hot drunk girls there from Tamaulipas, Mexico and Colombianas and 
Argentinas, and more, so that is one reason to stay home.

But I do want to be at TCR as much as you all do.

I have not been swimming since the Waynesville, NSS Convention.

David Locklear
NSS # 27639

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR: memorials for Charlie Yates and Blair Pittman

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Logan,

If you are intending to fire a cannon, please let all dog owners know 
beforehand.

Cheers,
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Logan McNatt via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 4:09 PM
To: Cave Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR: memorials for Charlie Yates and Blair Pittman

I have arranged with Joe Ranzau, Peter Sprouse, Don Arburn, and Ron
Fieseler to have a brief memorial for Charlie Yates and Blair Pittman
during the Friday evening wine party.  If all goes according to plan, it
will include:

old photos provided primarily by Dwight Deal, Pete Lindsley, Carl
Kunath, Mike Walsh, Keith Heuss, and some unknown photographers

a 10 minute 2011 TPWD video of Charlie, who was very active as a Texas
Revolution historian and reenactor

the video is called "Charlie and His Cannon" and is online:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjfI_Hz5sCk

a special tribute will conclude the memorial, but will not be revealed
until sometime Friday afternoon

those who already know about it, please do not tell anyone until Friday
afternoon




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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR T-Shirts Request For Transport to Paradise Canyon]

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I can, probably, since I'm bringing a trailer. Can he get them to me?

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 11:27 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] [TCR T-Shirts Request For Transport to Paradise Canyon]

Chris has prior obligations and cannot bring the TCR shirts to Paradise Canyon. 
Is there anyone in the Austin area, or passing through, able to pick up the two 
boxes of shirts and see them to this years reunion? Wednesday is his best day 
to do this. Please?

--Don



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[Texascavers] Can anyone haul the cooks trailer to TCR?

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

The new, improved, cooks trailer is larger (16ft) than I can haul out there. 
Can anyone with a big truck take it out there (from Austin) on Friday morning?

Please contact me off-list.

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Re: [Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting- Sept 21

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

"Join us at the UT Grotto meeting this week Wednesday..."

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of via 
Texascavers
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 9:13 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting- Sept 21

What day?

Sleazel

In a message dated 9/19/2016 6:50:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
texascavers@texascavers.com writes:

Greetings, cavers!

Join us at the UT Grotto meeting this week Wednesday to hear from Peter Sprouse 
about the latest exploration in Jaguar Claw, a 35km+ cave system in Quintana 
Roo, Mexico. This August a group camped in the cave for three days in order to 
survey in the far reaches of the Claw, and also surveyed some neighboring caves 
in the hope of joining other systems.
The presentation portion of the grotto meeting will be live streamed via 
Periscope https://www.periscope.tv/utgrotto at approximately 8:30pm CST (the 
actual time will be announced via Twitter @UTGrotto).
***


The meeting is at 7:45pm in Burdine 116. Follow this link to a map of where the 
building is located on the University of Texas campus: 
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/bur.html

For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see 
www.utgrotto.org

Before the meeting, gather at the Taco Join on San Jacinto Blvd. This is the 
best place to park and meet folks walking over to the meeting. After the 
meeting we continue with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, 
beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East! 
www.posse-east.com

See you there!
[Image removed by sender.]Cheers,
[Image removed by sender.]Aubri Jenson
UT Grotto Vice-chair



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Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Snork :-)

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:53 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Carrizal


I have always wanted to see a map of the dived passages.

I have heard they are under water.

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Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion Help]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

I'm up for that, by 4pm on the Saturday I'm usually in that sort of mood/mode...

Stefan

-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 5:17 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion Help]

At the rate folks are volunteering, we may have to institute that old British 
tradition of naval Press Gangs, Stef, we can walk through the campgrounds and 
any loafers we can simply whack on the head, cuff and put into service.

--TCR

> On Aug 23, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> I am hoping the Aggies will do their usual and help with serving the Saturday 
> dinner?!
>
> However, can they let me know a bit (more) in advance if they are intending 
> to do this? We need to "train" you on the dishes and serving them a few hours 
> before the meal, thanks!!
>
> Stefan Creaser

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Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion Help]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

I am hoping the Aggies will do their usual and help with serving the Saturday 
dinner?!

However, can they let me know a bit (more) in advance if they are intending to 
do this? We need to "train" you on the dishes and serving them a few hours 
before the meal, thanks!!

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Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser


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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 5:01 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion Help]

I can help with TP Patrol on Saturday, and with serving the evening meal on 
Saturday (if that’s needed).

I can’t guarantee I’ll be there until late on Friday night, and I have to leave 
very early on Sunday morning.

Diana

**
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Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
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Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
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(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

> On Aug 23, 2016, at 4:48 PM, TSA Cavers List  
> wrote:
>
> 51 Days Left!!
>
> Bring this up at your grotto meetings!!
>
> TCR needs confirmations for the following volunteers:
>
> •Dish washers: Sheryl, Dale (2 more!)
>
> •Firewood gathering, work to be done at the park soon!!! Contact me.
>
> •Door Prize Vixens to give out prizes!
>
> •TP Patrol, an easy job of keeping tabs on the bathrooms and toilet paper.
>
> •Registration Nation: Kris, Lizette, Jake (need a couple more)
>
> •Shiner Retrievers, WHO DOESN'T WANT FREE BEER!?
>
> •Ropes Popes, rope climbing organizers and belayers
>
> •Survey Squad, organizers
>
> •SpeleOlympic Wranglers, organizers
>
> •Sleeping Bag Clothes Change Contest Crew (contest resurgence) organizers
>
> •Recyclers are Stefan & Dale! (These guys are badass!)
>
> •Hot Tub Team, folks who can help put the tub and sauna together.
>
> •Mud wrestler pit builders Galen (a couple more helpers & a referee)
>
> •Someone to make some awards!
>
> •Minion(s) enthusiast to help me
>
> PLEASE? Bring this up at your grotto meetings!! These are short term fairly 
> easy things, they aren't going to take up much time and EVERYONE will be 
> grateful.
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Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion Help]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

I’d prefer sheep, so we can cook them if they don’t perform ;-)

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:57 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion Help]

I don't care, whoever!

Just step up!

On Aug 23, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Katherine Arens via Texascavers 
> wrote:

On Aug 23, 2016, at 16:48, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
> wrote:


51 Days Left!!

Bring this up at your grotto meetings!!

TCR needs confirmations for the following volunteers:

•Dish washers: Sheryl, Dale (2 more!)

•Firewood gathering, work to be done at the park soon!!! Contact me.

•Door Prize Vixens to give out prizes!

••isn’t it time for Wolves to do the job???  Gender equality, please . . .




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Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
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Office:  Burdine 320
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Re: [Texascavers] [Call for TCR Volunteers]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

The (expanded) TCR trailer has several recycle bins that will be dotted around 
the campsite. I hope to get more (now we have space) as I saw stuff in the 
trash last year that should be recycled!

We will take:
Cans
Bottles
Cardboard
Batteries
Plastic containers
*Clean* plastic bags

We do *not* want your food waste in there, thanks :-7


Cheers,
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Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:37 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] [Call for TCR Volunteers]

Volunteers are what makes TCR happen. And this is a call for them. TCR needs 
confirmations for the following:
•Dish washers
•Firewood gatherers (to be done at PC)
•Door Prize Vixens
•TP Patrol
•Registration Nation
•Shiner Retrievers
•Recyclers
•Ropes Popes (climbing)
•Survey Squad
•SpeleOlympic Wranglers
•Sleeping Bag Clothes Change Contest Crew (contest resurgence)
•Minion(s)


--TCR
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Re: [Texascavers] Periscope link to Fernando Hernandez's talk

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Katherine,

Charles is still using an abacus to access the internet; is there an app for 
one of those?

;-)

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Katherine Arens via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 9:18 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Periscope link to Fernando Hernandez's talk

http://www.andyroid.net/bundledapps/download-periscope-for-pcperiscope-on-pc

http://edutechupdates.com/periscope-pc-windows-mac-iphone-ipad-download/



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Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
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Office:  Burdine 320
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Re: [Texascavers] Periscope link to Fernando Hernandez's talk

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Time to step out of the dark ages and get one then, eh, Charles?

Cheers,
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Loving via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:05 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Periscope link to Fernando Hernandez's talk

Since I have no smart phone it doesn't work.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
> wrote:
This is the correct link to Fernando’s talk at the UT Grotto meeting last night.

https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1RDGlkdqqaOKL

I am working on recording it to my computer via QuickTime, will let you know if 
that works.

Diana

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Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
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Re: [Texascavers] sort-of NSS related

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Love this line, David, as a measure of how remote somewhere is:

Ely is a remote place.The nearest Walmart Store was a 3 hour drive

PS. I’ll donate to your gas fund, if you tell me where to mail a check…

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:11 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] sort-of NSS related


I imagine by now, Monday evening, that the attendees to the 2016 NSS Convention 
are either safely home or back to work, or at their post-convention destination.

For me personally, getting back to work in the real world was both physically 
and mentally challenging.   I had symptoms similar to Regret Sex.   Meaning, I 
enjoyed it, but regret doing it.Had I accepted some cavers offers to stay 
home for financial gain, I would have not missed work and could have easily 
relaxed by the pool.

I am almost caught up at work with the task that I postponed.   Everything 
would be fine now, if my customers were not such a**holes,  ( I have lost all 
respect for attorneys ).   All I have left to do is tedious bull-collecting, 
meaning I finished all the deliveries that I postponed.That was mostly luck.

When I was leaving Houston for the trip 10 days ago, I was optimistic that I 
would either pick up a caver along the way, or a Craigslist rideshare-rider.   
I even tried to get cavers flying into Phoenix and Vegas to ride with me.   And 
even nudged one caver to drop work and to fly out to Vegas.

But that was all wasted effort.

I have rested up now, and I should be back to my normal grumpy self tomorrow.

It sounds like the convention was a success.I would have never believed 
1,000 cavers would show up in Ely.Ely is a remote place.The nearest 
Walmart Store was a 3 hour drive.

I could have easily spent a week in Ely in April or September.But not sure 
if I would want to live there.   I think it would have been like living in 
Alpine, Texas, as far as being far from things.However, there was really 
cool stuff within a 6 hour drive.   I have no idea what life in Ely would be 
like in the peak of winter, but I can only guess that it is harsh.

See you all in Rio Rancho in 2017.I hope I can fly to that, but will most 
likely wait till the last minute and drive again.

I encourage young cavers to attend next year's convention.   It is inspiring to 
meet like-minded people who love caves, and the maps are so cool and the photos 
and artwork are interesting.And there are usually unique opportunities to 
go caving.

David Locklear
NSS #27639

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Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip ??

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David, the cost of gas for your trip in that behemoth will bankrupt you; heed 
Crash’s advice and stay home!

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
Kennedy via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 12:10 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip ??

David, I will personally pledge $25 if you realize this is a senseless, 
foolhardy adventure and just stay home.

Jim Kennedy

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On Jul 15, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
> wrote:
David,

I’m willing to pledge $20 to help with your travel expenses to have you attend 
the Howdy Party at the NSS Convention. I’ll also buy you a beer at the party 
(food and beer are part of registration for the event). I figure it is worth 
the money to read you posts related to your travel to Nevada. You know that 
gambling and prostitution are legal in Nevada.

Maybe we should treat this like a Texas Caver crowd source funding and if other 
chipped in some bucks, we might be able to help with a significant cost for 
your trip. Some folks may be interested in chipping in just to get you out of 
Texas for a while  LOL.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 11:25 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Road-trip ??


There is a 4 % chance I am leaving Houston tonight ( Friday ) and driving to 
Vegas in my new 2008 Sequoia SUV.

I am tentatively offering a one-way ride to Vegas as I pass thru Austin or San 
Antonio.   I have room for 3 people.

Waiting on my jerk customers to pay me, before I can commit.

Not planning on making it to Ely unless stars suddenly line up in a divine 
miraculous way, meaning 3 supernovas would have to suddenly appear forming a 
perfect Equilateral Triangle bright above the western horizon.

David Locklear
281-995-8487 ( text-line )
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Re: [Texascavers] : cool NSS convention

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

http://nss2016.caves.org/travel/campground.php


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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Amy 
Morton via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:54 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] : cool NSS convention

Carol,

We also can't find the name/location of the camp ground.  Do you have a link to 
that information specifically?  Tom Rogers and I  (Amy Morton) looked on the 
site but to no avail.  Thanks for helping!

Amy



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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

You know it’s Friday when…

The number of posts complaining about the number of posts David makes… exceeds 
the number of posts David makes.

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 3:35 PM
To: Cavetex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

Oh come on Bill, you know you wanna :)

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bill Bentley - 
ca...@caver.net via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Yes take it over... LOL... been there done that... Thank you but no... I just 
delete.
Bill Bentley
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 Original message 
From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
>
Date: 7/8/16 3:29 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Cavetex >
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!
We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html

David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.

I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that this 
list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has sent out, 
send them a private message if possible.

If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and take 
over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a message 
and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.

Charles
list owner
wo...@justfamily.org


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Hi Frank!

We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.

I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
"delete now if you don't want to read it."

However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
the purpose of cave-related posts.

I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book pages.

Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David post 
any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, even 
politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues to 
improperly use this listserv.

julia



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e: germa...@aol.com

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
> > wrote:
>
> Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
> caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
> unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David 
> Locklear.
> I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
> inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
> Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
> suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
> Thanks,
> Frank Binney
> NSS 10816 Fellow
> i...@frankbinney.com
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Re: [Texascavers] a cultural observation

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

That’s funny. But probably a good idea in this day and age.

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:21 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] a cultural observation


I just wanted to share a new cultural observation with you all.

It is Friday afternoon before a holiday weekend, and I am at a local police 
station.The parking lot is packed full with cars coming and going dropping 
off kids with suitcases like the scene in Harry Potter movie at the Train 
Station.

I think it is the most bizarre thing I have scene all week, maybe all month.

All the police stations have spent lots of money to designate 2 to 4 parking 
spots as an official "Exchange Zone."

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] a biology post

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

If you frequent those places long enough, Don, you will find people who after a 
few generations (in-)breeding will become "cave men" ;-)

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-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:31 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a biology post

I don't frequent those places, for good reason, I wouldn't know.


--Don

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:18 PM, David via Texascavers
>
> Walmart or
> McDonalds or
> The Golden Corral Buffet
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Re: [Texascavers] Airman's River Video

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Looks like caving in the UK. Apart from they’re in t-shirts, and not furries 
(*) and waterproof over suits for the cold ;-)

(* 
http://www.caving-supplies.co.uk/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/11071||~@c~Clothing~@b|0|user|1,0,0,1|14
 )

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Justin Shaw via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:25 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Airman's River Video

Greetings,

As most of you know, much of Airman's Cave is once again functioning as an 
active phreatic conduit. This last occurred in 1992, which I presume is still 
the record high for the Barton Springs Segment of the EdwardsAquifer.

Yesterday Galen Falgout and myself ventured into the aquifer to sample the 
water, and we shot a few short video clips in the first section of the cave 
that isn't sumped. They have been posted at these non-public links for viewing 
by the local caving community:

Airman's River
https://youtu.be/cl_5feblyHo

Airman's Cave with Water
https://youtu.be/w8IT11p-8PQ

Crawling down Airman's River
https://youtu.be/7UHpX8dTZ_0







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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Well firstly we have to get rid of all the lawyers…

Cheers,
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott C via Texascavers
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:30 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :

Jerry,

Thanks! I really appreciate your thoughtful response and the information. Some 
of these steps I've been pursuing, but others are good insights that I haven't. 
Sometimes, this issue just really frustrates me. It's good to know that other 
people feel this way, too. However, it's sad to learn that this has been an 
ongoing issue for such a long time. Most everybody that I have met & caved with 
in our grotto and in the Texas caving community so far have been really solid 
people who are enthusiastic about caving and open to helping those around them 
enjoy the sport. I've learned from talking with some of these people though 
that there is an undercurrent of frustration with some of the seeming cliquish 
or closed off nature of cave access sometimes which discourages pursuit of the 
sport. Since I have come to really love caving, I hate to see people get 
discouraged, because of some sort of systemic problem. Anyways...Hopefully, 
with the continued awesome work of organizations like TCMA, etc... and behind 
the scenes work of individual cavers who are talking with landowners, more of 
these Texas caves can be opened up to the Texas caving community at large via 
grotto trips, etc...

Sincerely,

Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 12, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Jerry via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Scott,

You are not alone; this has been an issue for decades.  To find out about Texas 
caves in general, I suggest getting the guidebook "The Caves and Karst of 
Texas" which is available for $15 to TSA and NSS members from the Texas 
Speleological Survey. Other county-specific publications on Texas caves are 
available for free download from the TSS website.

To go caving, you have several options:
1.) Participate in TSA, TCMA, and TSS projects which are advertised on the 
various Facebook pages and the TexasCavers listserve.
2.) Get the elder members of your grotto to coordinate more trips for the 
members
3.) Mingle with folks at the TSA Convention and TCR that are involved with 
caving in areas and caves that you are interested in
4.) Directly ask specific cave landowner contacts for a trip.

You probably will have to get out of your comfort zone a bit to get things 
moving, but your interest and motivation will win the hearts and minds of your 
fellow cavers.

Jerry Atkinson
Texas Speleological Survey
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From: Scott C via Texascavers 
>
To: texascavers 
>
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :
Carl,

Very interesting article :) Thanks! Sounds like a cool cave I and others in our 
grotto would love to explore!

I might be wrong in this, but it seems like to me there might be a number of 
these types of cool caves. Caves that were very popular in past years, but for 
some reason or another, currently, a lot of newer cavers never here about them 
anymore or don't seem to have access. I completely understand the issue of 
landowner relations that you brought up in your article. It's just kind of sad 
to me that more grotto members don't have access or knowledge of a lot of these 
caves. I really hope that we can move to increase knowledge and access to these 
awesome caves. I'd love to explore them, and I know a lot of other newer cavers 
would as well. I mean we regularly here about and plan trips to Robber Baron, 
Whirlpool, Logan's, Airman's, now O-9 Well, and Deep & Punkin' which are 
awesome! However, the same small slate of caves kind of get stale after a 
while. But then Midnight and others are right there in Carta Valley, and the 
majority of us can't get into them. Only a small group with special access 
visits them. That also happens with Perry Water Cave, and a number of other 
caves in Texas. However, when we take our yearly grotto trip up to TAG, even 
though we're total outsiders, we can get permits and visit tons of outstanding 
caves! I just wish that here in our home state it didn't feel so restricted, 
and like some sort of back-channel type of system for individuals or grottos to 
visit all the terrific caves our state has to offer. Thanks.

Are you going to be at NSS this year? I'd like to check out your book.

Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Bloody Texan's and their educations... (or is that "Bloody Texins and thur 
edumcation"?)

Your suit would be, in this context, "Don's"

(facepalm).

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:11 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika

What about my suit?

--Don

> On May 24, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> (Dons fireproof suit) ;-)
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

> Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and 
> see how far that argument gets you.

Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get pregnant?

(Dons fireproof suit) ;-)

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika

> Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers 
> infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in 
> traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 
> million people a year.


Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in embryonic 
cell cultures.

"Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates Their 
Growth”
Tang, Hengli et al.
Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590

For a freely available description of this research,

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells

The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather well:

"Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the placenta 
and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.”

If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the population is 
female (~100 million), and of that only 50% is of childbearing age (50 million) 
and only 5% of that number plans to have a child this year (2.5 million), and 
1% of that number has children born with microcephaly, that would be 25,000 
children, if all the mothers were infected with Zika virus.

Let that sink in: 25,000 children born with microcephaly.

So let’s assume instead that only 25% of the potential mothers are infected 
with Zika virus and their babies have microcephaly. That would still mean 6,250 
children born with microcephaly.

6,250 children born with so little neural tissue that they will never live 
independently, and probably will not live very long lives.

According to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/microcephaly.html),

"Microcephaly is not a common condition. State birth defects tracking systems 
have estimated that microcephaly ranges from 2 babies per 10,000 live births to 
about 12 babies per 10,000 live births in the Unites States.”

That would be 0.02 - 0.12 % of live births in the U.S., a far smaller number 
than 1%.

"Zika virus, named after a forest in Uganda where it was first isolated decades 
ago, usually causes only mild symptoms in people, including fever and rash. But 
after the virus started spreading across northeastern Brazil last year, doctors 
there noticed a striking increase in the number of babies born with 
microcephaly.”

This is exactly what epidemiologists are supposed to do, alert the medical 
community to potential new health risks. Not all new viruses and pathogens are 
as terrifyingly dangerous as Ebola, nor as relatively ho-hum as Lone Star 
fever. One has a high risk of death and the other can be easily treated with 
antibiotics.

Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and 
see how far that argument gets you.

Diana

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Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
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Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
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(214) 645-6353 (fax)

> On May 24, 2016, at 3:45 PM, texas cavers tc  
> wrote:
>
> Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika 
> related illness when they are exposed.  It's not 'spiraling out of control' - 
> it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go 
> through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all 
> live in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone 
> Star fever?
>
> Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing 
> specific to Zika.
>
> Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers 
> infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in 
> traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 
> million people a year.
>
> RK
>
> See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php
> Symptoms of Zika virus
>
> Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a week. 
> Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1
> Symptoms of Zika virus include:1,2
> • Fever
> • Rash
> • Joint pain
> • Conjunctivitis (red eyes)
> • Muscle pain
> • Headache
> 

Re: [Texascavers] Join the NSS and Team 404

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

The biggest faux pax that I see with "Team 404" is that no one Googled "Team 
404" before deciding on the name (and found out that it is already in common 
usage), or that if you just put in "404" you get links, etc. to the "Page not 
found" error one gets when a server cannot deliver the page you just asked for 
(See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_404).

All the tools... And no one uses them...

Cheers,
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Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Wm 
Shrewsbury via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 7:18 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Join the NSS and Team 404

Bill Jackson is the NSS Fundraising Chairman. I passed along your concerns to 
him, and his response is below.

(forwarded by Wm Shrewsbury)

Jerry, the emailed message from the Fundraising Chair reports the needs of your 
Society. This one was to let everyone know we need donations earmarked for the 
HQ property which we purchased nearly five years ago. Just like everything in 
life, there are peaks and troughs in fundraising. We have had a recent trough 
over the last six months and want to get it back to a peak, and with continuing 
fundraising efforts to keep it up so that we can pay the mortgage ahead of 
schedule and quit giving interest to a third party.

[blah blah blah]

In the meantime, we have our new HQ building that has to be refinanced by this 
December. The less we have to refinance the better, of course, and thus this 
appeal. We sure could use Team 404 members and grotto donations to help with 
this.

Bill Jackson
Fundraising Chairman
National Speleological Society
fundrais...@caves.org

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of via 
Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 4:17 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com; speleoste...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Join the NSS and Team 404

Rather than "embarrass" our existing members, and further alienating those 
peripheral grotto members that don't desire to be formally NSS affiliated, why 
don't we share a bit of that embarrassment with the NSS leadership that decided 
their going-in business model for paying off the new NSS headquarters would be 
begging for donations from their membership. When that wisdom went south with 
the financial downturn, our present strategy is to now shake the donor tree 
even harder to the point of needing to embarrass existing members who don't 
sign up fast enough, and to force non-NSS grotto members to sign up or leave 
the grotto. Can you guys kick yourself in the ass any faster ?

Jerry Atkinson.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 10, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Alex Sproul via Texascavers 
 wrote:
Thank you for this Bill! This needs to be said, many times and loudly. If all 
the hangers-on joined up, even without joining Team 404, the mortgage issue 
would essentially be solved. And it would cost 'em less than pizza and beer one 
Saturday night.

It's been a pet peeve of mine for many years that these provisions are never 
enforced. As you are doing, we need to embarrass the slackers into doing their 
part.

We also need to embarrass our member slackers into renewing on time, so the 
staff doesn't spend so much of their time and effort in removing members, only 
to reinstate them a week later. They still have to wade through 200+ of those 
every month; that's more than a quarter of our membership.

We need to stand tall and be proud of our Society,...and "frown at those who 
are not"!

Alex

PS Fantastic job with this  year's PESH expedition!




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Re: [Texascavers] Join the NSS and Team 404

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Oops, guess I'll have to resign as cook. Can't have one of those infidels 
hanging around!

Stefan Creaser
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5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Alex Sproul via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Join the NSS and Team 404

Thank you for this Bill! This needs to be said, many times and loudly. If all 
the hangers-on joined up, even without joining Team 404, the mortgage issue 
would essentially be solved. And it would cost 'em less than pizza and beer one 
Saturday night.

It's been a pet peeve of mine for many years that these provisions are never 
enforced. As you are doing, we need to embarrass the slackers into doing their 
part.

We also need to embarrass our member slackers into renewing on time, so the 
staff doesn't spend so much of their time and effort in removing members, only 
to reinstate them a week later. They still have to wade through 200+ of those 
every month; that's more than a quarter of our membership.

We need to stand tall and be proud of our Society,...and "frown at those who 
are not"!

Alex

PS Fantastic job with this  year's PESH expedition!




On 10 May 2016 at 7:40, Bill Steele via Texascavers wrote:

This would be a good opportunity to bring up something that most grottos seem 
to have a misunderstanding about. Numerous grottos believe that members don't 
have to be NSS members unless they are in a leadership position in the grotto.  
This is incorrect.  This came up at the NSS Board of Governors meeting in Bend, 
Oregon in March.

The rules are written so people can be grotto members and not be an NSS member 
for up to a year. After that, they are expected to join the NSS or stop being a 
grotto member.

Here it is the relevant snippet regarding IOs (Internal Organizations, i.e. 
grottos, surveys, etc.):

5. The membership of IOs shall conform to the following requirements:

A.  All persons who serve on the governing board of an IO must be a member of 
the NSS except in the case of Surveys where representatives of state entities 
or other conservation organizations may serve on the board regardless of their 
NSS membership status.

B.  Full membership in IOs shall be open only to embers of the NSS.

C.  IOs may, at their option, have members who are not members of the NSS and 
who are limited to a year or less on this status.

D.  Membership in grottos (or chapters) shall consist of at least five members 
of the NSS who have designated that grotto as their Primary Affiliation.

E.   The formal name of a Student Grotto shall indicate that the organization 
is a Student Grotto (or Chapter), etc.

Section C is the relevant section. So we should encourage grotto members to 
become NSS members.

The NSS needs to raise money now to refinance the mortgage on its new office 
building in Huntsville, Alabama. Please go on and be committed to caving if you 
are a caver, and if you are not an NSS member, now's the time to join.

And if you are a NSS member, then join Team 404. I am a member of Team 404. If 
404 cavers allow $25 a month to be directly withdrawn from their bank account, 
the mortgage payment is met. All above that pays down the mortgage all the 
sooner.

Tomorrow night I am giving the program at the DFW Grotto meeting. Before I do, 
I'm going to read the above about being an NSS member and talk about the 
benefits of membership. I may even paraphrase JFK and  say, "Ask not what the 
NSS can do for you, ask what you can do for the NSS." You can admit that caving 
is a main interest of yours, become a member of the NSS, and join Team 404. 
I'll ask for a show of hands of who is not an NSS member. And I'll frown at 
those who are not.

Cavingly,

Bill Steele NSS 8072 (joined at age 16)


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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention pre-registration

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Yes, it’s better than waste or recycling.

Stefan Creaser
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Loving via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 7:39 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention pre-registration

Silverware? Should I go to the cupboard and get some? Har has...

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers 
> wrote:
80 people have now taken advantage of the screaming good deal, and 
pre-registered for a substantial discount over the on-site prices.  But if you 
forgot, we have good news for you!  We are extending the pre-registration 
period to next Wednesday, April 20.  That should still give us time to get the 
name badges printed on Thursday.  If you don't get on the ball and preregister 
now, you'll be sorry next weekend!
Also, don't forget to register for one of the available spots on the Devils 
Sinkhole trip on the Sunday after Convention.  Information is on the TSA 
website.  Note that your dues must be current in order for you to bid.  This is 
yet another benefit of joining the TSA.
Don't forget to bring your plates, bowls, cups, and silverware for the Saturday 
evening banquet!
See you in Rocksprings in a week!
Jim Kennedy
TSA Vice-Chair

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Re: [Texascavers] Inexpensive 3-D LIDAR

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Roger,

Won’t that mean one will have to build a road thru a cave before one can map it?

;-)

-Stefan

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Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:51 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Inexpensive 3-D LIDAR

An article on autonomously driven cars at the Consumer Electronics Expo asserts 
that a company called Quanergy has produced a real-time LIDAR sensor that will 
cost about $1000 per car. I bet it won't be long before these are hacked for 
cave mapping.

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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Holiday (Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanza/Ramadan) Party Announcement

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Are atheists and agnostics allowed too?

-Stefan

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Geary Schindel via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 3:08 PM
To: bexargro...@googlegroups.com; 'texascavers@texascavers.com'
Subject: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Holiday (Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanza/Ramadan) 
Party Announcement

Folks,

This is a reminder of the Bexar Grotto Holiday 
(Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanza/Ramadan) Party is scheduled for Saturday, December 12 
(2015) starting at 6 pm at Geary and Sue Schindel’s house at 11310 Whisper 
Dawn, San Antonio, Texas 78230. (That is this weekend for the calendar 
challenged)


Thanks, and hope to see you there.

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Re: [Texascavers] Tags for Rigging Anchors

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

The bolting of caves in Yorkshire is provided/overseen by the CNCC. It is 
funded by them (thru dues, I guess) and thru the sale of publications. See:

http://www.cncc.org.uk/anchors/index.php

With a geographically small area, unlike the US, it is possible to make this 
happen. Before the program was instituted we did have an issue of over bolting 
of some caves, but now-a-days this program is well received. Initially there 
was some resistance but fortunately the founders pressed ahead and made it 
happen.

Cheers,
Stefan

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Mark Minton via Texascavers
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:36 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
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  Such ID tags for anchors have been discussed many times over the years, but 
I've never seen them implemented. I don't know why - probably too much trouble 
to coordinate, produce and distribute such tags.

  The circumstances where rigging tags would be useful are variable. In an 
on-going project, there is usually enough institutional memory to know at least 
roughly when anchors were set and how good they are. In all of the projects I 
have been involved with in the last 20 years or so, we have adopted stainless 
steel bolts, hangers and quick links. As long as stainless anchors are set 
properly and kept tight, they last essentially forever. In these situations, 
tags are not needed.

 In popular sport caves, on the other hand, one typically has no idea where 
anchors came from. This is the situation where some sort of ID would be most 
useful, but unless one group took it upon themselves to rig and maintain 
permanent anchors on specific routes, there would be no consistency or trust 
engendered. This leads to bolt forests at pitch heads and rapid depletion of 
optimal rigging sites.

  In order to prevent such a proliferation of bolts, there has been a program 
in England and perhaps elsewhere in Europe to install long glue-in anchors on 
popular underground routes. These are well-publicized so that people know they 
are reliable. Even then, I don't know whether or not they put ID tags on those 
anchors. Another consideration is who pays for such anchors. They aren't cheap.

  The reality is that no matter whether there is a tag or not, stainless, 
glue-in or whatever, there will always be people who do not trust an anchor 
they have no personal knowledge of. In caves with no access control, I think 
bolt proliferation is likely inevitable, especially given that they are now so 
easy to install with power drills.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On Sun, October 25, 2015 12:04 pm, Robert B via Texascavers wrote:
>
> Seeking opinions...
>
> Within the greater vertical caving community... what are peoples
> opinion to adding a "Tag Plate" to rigging anchors. Especially in a
> cave where a route may justify using or placing rigging at same
> general location.
>
> The Tag Plate would be made from an aluminum strip (maybe another
> material ???) and have such information as placement date, bolt
> manufacturer, type, diameter, depth. Anchor information could be put
> on there too, but may not be needed as one can more easily inspect the
> anchor.
>
> Maybe add a 'Tag #' that could be included in survey notes and map.
>
> This 'Tag Plate' would attach to the anchor/bolt in some manner as to
> not obstruct use. Some sort of wire maybe??? Think heavy industry.
> Every piece of equipment is Tagged.
>
> If a project agrees ahead of time to use the same type of bolts and
> anchors, then Tags could be made ahead of time and installed as
> rigging crew sets each point.
>
> Consider this...
> You are on the rigging team. You come to a point in a cave where you
> must set some anchors.
> You notice three (3) other full sets of anchors.They may be in very
> good looking condition and the location is perfect... BUT???
> Who set these?
> When or how old are they?
> What kind of bolt did they use?
> Is the bolt deep enough, strong enough?
> Is it stainless? Galvanized?
> Is there corrosion due to dissimilar metals that I cant see?
>
> Would a 'Tag' help you in these situations?
> Other info to add to Tag?
>
> Rob Bisset


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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][Lost & Found]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

We mislaid a metal coffee/beverage cup - a Kleen Kanteen one, sometime 
Saturday.  Profuse thanks if you find it in your gear and return it!

Thanks!!
Stefan

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Arburn via Texascavers
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Be sure to see my Facebook page for pictures of lost and found items.


--Don


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Re: [Texascavers] historic posting

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Surely the most appropriate place would be the "Texas Caver", they're always 
wanting stuff...

-Stefan

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Jerryatkin via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] historic posting

Sure, why not. Be interesting to see what you have.

Jerry.
jerryat...@aol.com

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> On Oct 14, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Greg Passmore via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
>
> I have  bunch of historic caving articles, photos, etc.  Is this list an 
> appropriate place to post these or should we start up a texas caving history 
> list?


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[Texascavers] TCR food and the like...

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Hi All,

Don't forget your cups, plates, bowls and cutlery for the big feed on Saturday! 
This year's food theme (don't be scared) is Mexican; we haven't done that since 
I started this in 2006.

If you are so inclined we could do with some help on Friday and Saturday with 
prep work; we can bribe you with beer/cider for your help.

On Friday evening we will have a choice of "Chicken and sausage gumbo" and 
"Cuban Pulled Pork", both with rice, available for a small donation to the 
cook's trailer fund. Over the road you can drink wine with the Bexar Grotto.

On Facebook I started a count for the Friday food; about 70 people have signed 
up. If you want to ensure we cook enough please can you "like" OR comment on 
that post. OR, you can email me at mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com . Please do 
just ONE of the options.

Cheers,
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR] [Hot Tub Firewood]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Anyone in Austin not on cooks duty?

John will be driving thru Austin and can surely pick you up from somewhere 
convenient...

-Stefan
(on cooks duty, unfortunately).


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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
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Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:58 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] [TCR] [Hot Tub Firewood]

If you are attending TCR next weekend please bear in mind that good folks are 
volunteering for many things so you may enjoy the camaraderie. For instance, 
John Schneider is providing a trailer of firewood for the hot tub and sauna. 
However John is just one guy, who's doctor has directed him to do no heavy 
lifting. He has a loaded trailer, he has asked for help to unload at Paradise 
Canyon this Sunday and no one has stepped up to help. If I end up cancelling my 
plans with my brother Sunday, I will, and I'll go help John, then I'll 
rightfully claim that amount of time in the hot tub for myself whenever I want. 
Perhaps Saturday night after the festivities I'll go claim my hour or two for 
myself and everyone can stand around and wait for me to get my hot tub fix...


--Don


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Re: [Texascavers] Utility trailer

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Ernie,

I have a 6x10 you can borrow.

I’ve mislaid your email address; you should add it to the bottom of your msg.

Cheers,
Stefan

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Subject: [Texascavers] Utility trailer

Does anyone out in Caverland have a light weight 4ft by 8ft. trailer I can rent 
or borrow to take to TCR? I need it to haul my tall photo box. I live in 
Rolling Oaks but can travel to get it. Contact me off list if you do have.

-Ernie G

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Re: [Texascavers] Caver seeks pre-TCR San Antonio lodging

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Come to Austin and chop stuff for the w/e food. We have beds too...

-Stefan
(Chief cook... someone else has claimed bottle washer)

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Frank Binney via Texascavers
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 6:43 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Caver seeks pre-TCR San Antonio lodging

Anybody on the west side of San Antonio have some sleeping bag floor space for 
a visiting caver the night of Wednesday Oct 14th? I'm flying in from 
Hottubistan (Northern California) that afternoon, renting a car, and planning 
on driving over to Paradise Canyon on Thursday. Would love to stay/visit with a 
local caver(s) Wednesday night instead of the sterile Motel 6 option.
Your expatriate Texan friend,
Frank

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Re: [Texascavers] book review: Underwater Potholer

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

I just bought this on Amazon (Smile) for $22.07. I would suggest you do the 
same if interested coz there is now only 11 left :-)

Cheers,
Stefan


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Mixon Bill via Texascavers

Underwater Potholer: A Cave Diver's Memoirs, by Duncan Price. Whittles 
Publishing, Scotland, 2015. ISBN 978-184995-158-6. 6.5 by 9.5 inches, 185 
pages, softbound. £18.99, $24.95.

"Cave diving is dangerous--do _not_ do it. Remember I told you so. Everything 
else I say is bollocks!"

This book is a welcome addition to the small number of well-written cavers' 
memoirs in English, most which have come from British cavers. Duncan Price has 
had a long and active career in cave diving, and he has worked with pretty much 
all of the other British cave divers I've ever heard of. Most of his diving has 
been sump diving in the UK, especially in the part of it where w is a vowel. 
But he has also laid new line in France and the US. Sometimes the blow-by-blows 
of some of his more complicated sump dives get a bit tedious, but there are 
flashes of understated humor or drama. Some cave maps can help with the 
geography, but they are all grouped together as pages XI–XIX, apparently as an 
afterthought. The sixteen unnumbered pages of color photos could have used a 
lot of adjustment. But these production problems do not detract seriously from 
enjoyment of the book.

Besides sump diving, which often includes difficult dry caving to reach the 
sump, Price has done tri-mix diving, rebreather diving, and scooter diving, 
despite the fact that his only formal training certification is from the 
British Sub-Aqua Club--for snorkeling. A lot of cave divers will be amused, or 
not, by a certain cavalier attitude about equipment. "One of my regulators 
started free-flowing on account of the cold water even before I'd set off; I 
hit it against a rock at the entrance until it stopped leaking and then headed 
into the cave." He did a dive using a home-made rebreather borrowed from Rick 
Stanton after receiving instruction in its use: breathe in, breathe out, add 
gas as required.

Do _not_ do it, but do read it.—Bill Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Diana, Sheryl,

The optimum time for dishwashing is actually *after* dinner. Cooking pots, etc. 
are emptied into the serving vessels as late as possible, and then serving 
vessels are emptied by hungry cavers. *That* is when there is lots of washing 
up to be done.

It is best done that evening, before it has caked on overnight. In the morning 
we really just want to pack up dry gear and go home, not wash the dishes and 
wait for them to dry.

Cheers,
Stefan

Ps. That is not to say that we don't need people to wash stuff while we 
prepare; just that the bulk of it is after dinner.

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:25 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
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Thanks, Diana!

Sheryl Rieck
sheryl.ri...@gmail.com

You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might 
find you get what you need Rolling Stones

 On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Sheryl,

 I will drop by during the food prep and cooking time before dinner and help 
 with dish washing.

 Diana

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 Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas
 Southwestern Medical Center
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 (214) 645-6383 (phone)
 (214) 645-6353 (fax)

 On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Don had promised me dish washing minions. Come be my minion! 

 Sheryl Rieck
 sheryl.ri...@gmail.com

 You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just
 might find you get what you need Rolling Stones

 On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


 On Aug 25, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Karen via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Ha.. in other words, on demand!

 In all seriousness though, the titles are very cute, but perhaps it would 
 be helpful to describe a little of what they do?  Do Charmin Bearers just 
 bring the tp?

 Yes, they just bring TP, and distribute to the portojohns as needed. No one 
 should run out of TP. Simple, once a day, go check them, leave TP as needed.

 Dishwashing is self explanatory. As is the Slideshow Nerd  the 
 Speleolympics Officials. Help or don't. I'm just lining up volunteers early.

 And I'm sure some are wondering what the very high profile and respected 
 Loo Crew really does...

 The Paradise Canyon Loo Crew keeps the Paradise Canyon Loos clean.

 I couldn't make last year's TCR, but fully expect to attend this year and 
 assist with the activities I've always volunteered for, but maybe I could 
 help with one of these too?

 Cheers,
 Karen

 Maybe you could.


 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 Your shift will be from Friday afternoon to Sunday lunchtime ;-)

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 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 9:48 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]

 I guess basically - What will I be doing?  And when will my shift be?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 25, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Arburn Don via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Done! Thanks! Questions?

 On Aug 25, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Holly Weinstock via Texascavers wrote:

 I can be a Recycle Gatherer.
 Holly Weinstock


 Sent from my iPhone

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 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 O.K. troglodytes  troglodyte lovers, TCR is approaching and it needs 
 help in order to happen. Many have already stepped up and currently 
 slaving away and are working towards your enjoyment and trouble free 
 fun.
 However, TCR needs some volunteers.

 Charmin Bearers
 Paradise Canyon Loo Crew
 Scrubby Dish Washer Crews
 Recycle Gatherers
 Slideshow Nerds
 Speleolympics Officials
 Signmaker

 Please give me a shout if you think you can help!
 Thanks!

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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Your shift will be from Friday afternoon to Sunday lunchtime ;-)

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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 9:48 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
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I guess basically - What will I be doing?  And when will my shift be?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 25, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Arburn Don via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Done! Thanks! Questions?

 On Aug 25, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Holly Weinstock via Texascavers wrote:

 I can be a Recycle Gatherer.
 Holly Weinstock


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Arburn Don via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 O.K. troglodytes  troglodyte lovers, TCR is approaching and it needs help 
 in order to happen. Many have already stepped up and currently slaving away 
 and are working towards your enjoyment and trouble free fun.
 However, TCR needs some volunteers.

 Charmin Bearers
 Paradise Canyon Loo Crew
 Scrubby Dish Washer Crews
 Recycle Gatherers
 Slideshow Nerds
 Speleolympics Officials
 Signmaker

 Please give me a shout if you think you can help!
 Thanks!

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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Hi Holly,

The TCR Cooks have 4 wheel'd recycling bins that they will be bringing with 
them. Please find us once they/you turn up...

Cheers,
Stefan
(Chief cook and bottle washer)


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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Holly Weinstock via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 4:52 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]

I can be a Recycle Gatherer.
Holly Weinstock


Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Arburn Don via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 O.K. troglodytes  troglodyte lovers, TCR is approaching and it needs help in 
 order to happen. Many have already stepped up and currently slaving away and 
 are working towards your enjoyment and trouble free fun.
 However, TCR needs some volunteers.

 Charmin Bearers
 Paradise Canyon Loo Crew
 Scrubby Dish Washer Crews
 Recycle Gatherers
 Slideshow Nerds
 Speleolympics Officials
 Signmaker

 Please give me a shout if you think you can help!
 Thanks!

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Re: [Texascavers] trip report: Punkin Cave survey expedition #24

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Ohh, use technology?!!!

-Stefan

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Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] trip report: Punkin Cave survey expedition #24

One might also be able in the future to use short video clips and/or photos to 
help locate a terminal survey station.

Diana

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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

I would potentially be interested in contributing towards the purchase...

Do you know the timescales by when they'd like to have the property sold, 
Travis?

Cheers,
Stefan

stefan.crea...@arm.com

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Travis Scott via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:27 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale

Howdy Cavers,

I just wanted to spread the word that Kiwi Sink in the Driftwood area has come 
up for sale by owner.  It is on two acres off of Billie Brooks Lane in Hays 
County (amongst the small caver community there).  The property has a fairly 
large 4/2 mobile home, garage/barn and some other items.  Kiwi Sink is a 
somewhat significant recharge feature that local cavers have excavated over the 
years to approximately 102.3m long and 17.5m deep.  The owner hopes that cavers 
can acquire it, but is putting it on the market and it will be open to anyone.  
He has verbally mentioned an asking price of $167,000 for the property at this 
time.

If you or anyone you know might be interested in purchasing the property and 
cave, please let me know and I will get you in touch with the owner.  Thanks!!

Travis Scott
tra...@oztotl.commailto:tra...@oztotl.com
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[Texascavers] Seems that some of the deepest places on earth are caves, or cave-like.

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

http://www.redbull.com/en/adventure/stories/1331725300194/8-of-the-deepest-places-the-earth-can-offer?wtk=13807406905246


-Stefan


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Re: [Texascavers] [CaveSim at TCR!]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Diana,

But this is 'Merica, where it requires less energy to complain about it rather 
than one trying to fix the problem ;-)

-Stefan

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Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [CaveSim at TCR!]

Bill,

In a free market economy, the proper response would be for you to make your own 
CaveSim but charge a competitive price, thereby undercutting their business, 
rather than complaining about their prices.

Time is money in my book.

Diana

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 On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 I have no objection to CaveSim at TCR, at least as long as $$ don't
 add to the registration. But I am moved to point out that $1500 is a
 lot more than fuel money, so Dave is not exactly donating the use of
 it. -- Mixon
 
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Re: [Texascavers] batteriser

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Looks like Nico has been hacked people, don’t click on that link!!!

-Stefan

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Subject: [Texascavers] batteriser

new device claims to extend battery life up to 8 times 
linkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2928997/batteriser-is-a-250-gadget-that-extends-disposable-battery-life-by-800-percent.html

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Re: [Texascavers] off topic: Pi day

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Well with this dodgy calendar you have...

As far as i can tell it's 14.3.15:

-Stefan

From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Logan 
McNatt via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
Sent: 13 March 2015 22:55
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] off topic: Pi day

Thanks for the alert, Bill. I will try to remember to celebrate the
exact moments, but the party won't last long.

On 3/13/2015 6:57 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote:
 Tomorrow will be the pi moments of the century, 3/14/15 at 9:26:53 a.m.
 or p.m. Who's having a p.m. party to celebrate? -- Mixon

 (Actually 
 9:26:53.58979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628\
 6208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359\
 4081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659\
 3344612847564823378678316527120190914564856692346034861045432664821339\
 3607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892\
 5903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921\
 8611738193261179310511854807446237996274956735188575272489122793818301\
 19491... My computer finds 10,000,000 digits of pi in 52 seconds.)
 
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[Texascavers] Some man-made caves in India...

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150223-uncovering-caves-full-of-treasure


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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

And electricity, Gill. At least for the cooks. The cooks want water and 
electricity. And gas if you have it. That's gas as in gas, and not gasoline. 
Why can't you people use petrol, it makes a nice distinction. Grr, two 
peoples separated by a common language.

wanders off muttering...


-Stefan

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Gill Ediger via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:06 PM
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Even without water PC is better than anyplace else without water. Actually, I 
prefer Flat Creek at the all-around best site we ever had. It's still available 
but needs to be reserved early.

One of the main criteria for a site is running water. Find 10 or 20 acres with 
river (or creek) frontage and flat camping above the flood plain and I think 
the rest can be faked.
--Ediger

On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:31 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
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Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. 
Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the 
word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all 
like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option 
for TSA, TCMA and TCR.
How do y'all feel about this site?

Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many 
suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date.
How do y'all feel about that?


--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

TC ?

All Mal needs to do is get to Houston and you can drive her from there, Lyndon…

-Stefan

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:58 AM
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TC please. Lots of trees. More shade if hot. More wind breakers if cold.

Mal's bday is Oct. 16 ... so that's a vote for that weekend. Provided we can 
convince Mal to drive all the way from La for this ...



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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

From a cooking perspective I like PC as it has water and power a-plenty.

Date-wise, if it was the w/e of the 23-25th then I won't cook, or turn up at 
all. There's your chance...

Cheers,
Stefan

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers

Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. 
Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the 
word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all 
like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option 
for TSA, TCMA and TCR.
How do y'all feel about this site?

Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many 
suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date.
How do y'all feel about that?


--Don


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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

I already have 11ac in Bastrop. A few work weekends with lots of people should 
make it TCR habitable ;-)

-Stefan

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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:06 AM
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That works for me too. Find a nice place and buy it. If every caver chipped in 
$10 and there are at least five or six that I know of there would be a great 
stash of dollars. If 500 cavers came up with $25 each there you go.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:56 AM, via Texascavers 
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Re: [Texascavers] doing sinful things in caves

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Bill,

It's not that I think the smoke is going to kill me, I just think the smell is 
deeply unpleasant. It also makes my clothes reek. I have never smoked a 
cigarette in my life and so have never needed to get used to the smell...

Cheers,
Stefan

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Mixon Bill via Texascavers


When I started caving, nobody thought twice about smoking in a cave.
[] Apparently some people have come to think that the merest whiff of 
cigarette smoke will kill them, []. The whole anti-smoking thing is silly.


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Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend 
if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it.

Cheers,
Stefan

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns


This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years 
) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer.

I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the 
2 recent post on Cavetex

My 2 cents is that

Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take 
my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday.

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] [DP][Species sighted]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Dirtius Caverus ?


From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don Arburn 
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Sent: 18 October 2014 23:34
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A call for species positively identified here at the nature preserve. Plants, 
animals, please?
Thanks!

--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] OTR

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

We are going to be very busy this year (we've lost a cook or two due to other 
commitments), but I will personally ensure you are at the back of the line, AND 
I'll pee in *your* food. Just to give you the best experience...

-Stefan


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Denise P via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:38 AM
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Charlie-Please don't insult the food and cooks. They volunteer their time and 
do a great job.  You could maybe grab some Luby's or McDonald's on the way over.

-Denise

Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 08:26:34 -0500
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From: texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
I thought it was a Friday thing? Schedule seems different for some reason. My 
motivation is lacking for some reason. I am building up for the Devil's River 
thing which happens on the same weekend as our wedding anniversary and I 
usually forget that. Duh! Anyway I will try to drag myself over there for a few 
hours. The food is always terrible as I recall from the last time I went when 
Ed died.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Terry Plemons via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
Same schedule as always.  I'm going for a Saturday visit - not camping.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
Finally figured out where it is. My Spring Branch is near Houston. What exactly 
is the schedule? Is it a Friday affair or a Saturday affair? I have given up 
camping and don't have a camper or any of that falderal. I have missed the past 
four or five OTRs and wanted to attend but may miss out again. Maybe I will 
come by for a visit on Friday.

--
Charlie Loving

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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR~2014 Reminders]

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Food reminders too...

Please bring plates, bowls and utensils for the big feed.

The cooks are in charge of recycling - please use the recycling containers 
(marked) and those marked as trash for the *appropriate* use. You cannot 
believe how unpleasant it is to sort thru rotting food for recycling...

And finally, for now, is anyone going from Austin to the 'site on thursday who 
can haul a trailer? Reward is first in line for food, and my eternal thanks!

Cheers,
Stefan

- Chief cook and bottle washer. But mostly the bottle washer.


From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don Arburn 
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Subject: [Texascavers] [TCR~2014 Reminders]

As the 2014 Texas Cavers Reunion approaches and we consider what to bring and 
we look at our children and our dogs, please bear in mind the rules at TCR: 
well behaved dogs and children are welcome provided they behave and someone 
picks up after them if  when they poop on the ground. Folks without children 
and dogs, you are to tattle on those who are seen pooping on the ground. If 
your little one needs to be on a leash please make it so, you know who you are. 
If your little one is loud or a noisy yapper bear; in mind I will kidnap it and 
dye it bright green.

Also PLEASE, let's be caretakers for the environment and pick up cigarette 
butts and trash, we have a reputation to uphold of leaving a place cleaner than 
we found it.

There will be caving available! Bring appropriate gear. Bring potable water and 
shade too. Bring your musical instrument if you play one.
There won't really be electricity available, so don't count on finding that 
sweet campsite next to an outlet, ain't happening. There will be generators for 
the cooks and vendors, these will be subject to a curfew as we like, both, 
electricity and quiet. Bring headlamps, I hate reminding Cavers about this, 
but, well, there it is.

Be aware that Hwy. 281 is under construction between the Guadalupe River and 
Highway 306. They've decided to divide that stretch and traffic changes at a 
moments notice near the Spring Branch Road. DRIVE SLOW THROUGH SPRING BRANCH  
on the TCR sites PLEASE.

I do this because you are an awesome bunch of people that I'm proud to know and 
humbled that you let me do this. Safety first and let's be careful out there!


--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] To Bats, Trees and Turbines Are One in the Same

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Hundreds and thousands? Really?

-Stefan

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Subject: [Texascavers] To Bats, Trees and Turbines Are One in the Same

Why hundreds of thousands of bats are killed each year by wind turbines:

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/9249/20140930/to-bats-trees-and-turbines-are-one-in-the-same.htm

Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] Man pilots balloon into a cave...

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29413045

-Stefan

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[Texascavers] Need trailer/bbq pits towed to TCR by thursday evening...

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Hi,

Looking for a couple of volunteers to tow BBQ pit(s) and/or trailers to the TCR 
site from Austin or Bastrop by thursday evening. Can anyone help?

Cheers,
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Re: [Texascavers] Caving in the Scotland Nation ?

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Hi David,

I'll ask my cousin next week when i'm at his wedding in Dundee. In your later 
email you give the link to his caving summary (he is arb).

The above is assuming they let me into Scotland for his wedding, guess i'll 
just go and see how they voted now...

Cheers,
Stefan

From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Mark 
Minton via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
Sent: 17 September 2014 19:00
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David,

Scotland appears to have very little karst and few caves of interest.
My guess is that the political situation there will be largely
irrelevant to cavers, British or otherwise.

  WTF is the BRF? Did you mean BCRA?

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On Wed, September 17, 2014 7:39 pm, David via Texascavers wrote:
 How would an independent nation of Scotland affect U.K. caving ?

 Does the BRF worry about this ?

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

That means you’re old enough to know better than to attend, Bill  ;-)

-Stefan

stefan.crea...@arm.commailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com


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Bill Bentley via Texascavers
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What constitutes an Old Timer qualification?

On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote:

TCR Registration Prices:



Adult - $25.00

Child - $15.00

Family - $80.00

Old timer - $15.00



Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes.



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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

1) Glad I'm not going to be at the registration booth
2) Someone had better give the registrators (?) good glasses

;-)

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers

Oldtimers will have to show their Depends at the registration booth.


--Don



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Re: [Texascavers] TCR is almost here!!!

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

You want to be a loud nude do you, Heather?!

-Stefan

stefan.crea...@arm.commailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Heather Tucek via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:13 AM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR is almost here!!!

Wait.. so if we want to be in the quiet zone, that means we have to be closer 
to the nudity?
Something doesn't seem right.

On 10 September 2014 20:19, David Ochel via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
Heya,

On 9/10/14 5:38 PM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote:

 All the fun will be there...Speleolympics, Hot Tub, Big Feed,
 Swimming, Awards, carousing, fun and of course-friends.

...and the survey contest, of course! Better start polishing up your
survey skills! :-)

Cheers,
David

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Re: [Texascavers] tcr

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

The semi-simple solution to this (and yes I know I haven't done it yet 
myself...) is to change ones email signature (applied by your email client) to 
include your email address. I can't speak for all email clients. But it's out 
there somewhere so please (y'all) go and look for it.

Cheers,
Stefan

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Nancy Weaver via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:33 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] tcr

that would fit and yes hard to reply to the individual.
On Sep 3, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Gill Edigar via Texascavers wrote:

 Nancy you were probably at the '85 (?) TSA Business Meeting that was held 
 there.
 --Ediger


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Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

LOOK PEOPLE, UNLESS YOU’VE BEEN LIVING UNDER A ROCK FOR THE LAST MONTH YOU KNOW 
WHY YOU CAN’T SEE PEOPLES NAMES.

SO STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT!

-Stefan

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Steele via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 7:14 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais

Mark?  I can think of several Marks it could be.

Bill Steele

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On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:08 AM, via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
Received this from the SWR  remailer.

Some very cool NM lava tube caves that I have always wanted to visit.

Hmmm, a future trip?


Mark
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Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:08 AM
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Subject: [SWR] Caves of the El Malpais

All,
My son sent me this reference to a New York Times article on El 
Malpais:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/travel/into-a-lava-lined-underworld-near-albuquerque.html?smid=tw-nytimes_r=0

Steve Peerman

  Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things 
you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away 
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. 
Discover.
attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this.

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Re: [Texascavers] Ammo boxes on sale

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

I keep my bazooka shells under the stairs, they don’t fit in my ammo boxes. 
Where did you get yours, Charles?

-Stefan


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 6:15 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Ammo boxes on sale

I usually keep ammo in my ammo boxes. One for 22 calibre, one for 30/30, one 
for 8MM, and one for bazooka shells.

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 5:54 PM, David via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

From:   dlocklea...@gmail.commailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com

Sam's Club has a large supply of new Ammo boxes.

For $ $ 35 plus tax, you get a large box and a small box.

The large box is ideal for taking on camping trips to store things you want to 
keep dry and away from sunlight or animals.

The small box can be used in big cave passage to haul filming equipment, or 
First-Aid supplies, or sensitive scientific gear, etc.

But they come in handy for lots of other things.  An experienced caver could 
write a good article on all the things one can do with ammo cans and duct tape.

Keep one around the house with survival stuff in it,  or use it as a piggy bank 
to store large stacks of $ 100 bills, etc.

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Does anyone have meat in their freezer they'd like to donate to TCR...

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

If you have deer or hog meat in your freezer and would like to donate it to TCR 
then please contact me offline.

Also, if you'd like to help make sausages with said meat the week before TCR 
then also contact me :-)

Cheers,
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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Tsk tsk...

It's HEB and WalMart, seems the oldies can't keep up with the modern ways too 
;-)

-Stefan

From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Charles 
Loving via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
Sent: 30 July 2014 19:06
To: jerryatkin; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

Once upon a time people read books and papers and even knew how to write but 
the new generation is all into the cereal asile at the Heb or Walmart.


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:34 PM, via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
Ouch !  Touchy .

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Hi Bill,
 I don’t usually respond to this kind of email, but this was one that needs 
 attention.

 Thank you for your critique on the Caver being a fairly decent effort at a 
 picture magazine.  As a graphic designer and marketing communications 
 professional with 20 years of experience, I am always open to at least 
 listening to the opinions of others. After all, everyone has one. I should 
 listen to yours...   That said, there is always room for improvement in any 
 endeavor.  I certainly don’t think the caver is perfect so I'll have to 
 increase my fairly decent effort to something greater.

 Regarding It's the editor's job to corral it; just sending out a plea for 
 material and waiting for it to magically appear doesn't cut it., perhaps you 
 will be willing to give me some guidance here rather than just an opinion. I 
 could work on my latent ESP potential and write directly to all the trip 
 leaders of the trips I haven’t been on or told about going on in Texas. Maybe 
 I could travel to caver's homes I have directly appealed to and sit them down 
 at their computers with my Glock? It is Texas after all...  I should also be 
 scouring the internet on a daily basis looking for postings of anything that 
 could be related to Texas caving.

 Finally, a sincere thank you for your support in trying to encourage cavers 
 to submit articles and for me to put out a better quality publication and 
 work harder at getting articles. If tips from 'How to win friends and 
 influence people' doesn’t work, perhaps your method will.

 jill orr
 210.399.6762tel:210.399.6762
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 Subject: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

 Now that the question of the Texas Caver has arisen once again, I am moved to 
 comment. I've largely kept quiet because I am in no position to volunteer to 
 be part of the solution. My armchair-caving time is already oversubscribed.

 The Texas Caver has recently been a fairly decent effort at a picture 
 magazine, but where's the beef? The most recent issue (2013 #4) I've gotten 
 barely reaches an average of 300 words per page, not including in the average 
 the front and back covers, where one doesn't expect to find text. The Texas 
 Caver could easily contain two or three times as much material at no increase 
 in cost and still have enough photos, printed at reasonable sizes, to look 
 good.

 The Texas Caver should aspire to be a permanent record of everything about 
 Texas caves and caving. I've edited enough thousands of pages of newsletters 
 to know that layout is the easy and fun part of an editor's job, and getting 
 material is the hard part. I deplore the recent, on my time-scale, trend of 
 thinking one has documented his caving activities by posting things on 
 Facebook. (When I was little, I had to walk three miles through the snow to 
 get to the Internet, uphill both ways.) If that amuses you, fine, but your 
 Facebook or TexasCavers list posts do not end up in the NSS Library, the UT 
 Geology Library, or the USGS Library, all places the Texas Caver should be 
 going on paper. (Or to the Karst Information Portal digital archive, if 
 you're into that sort of thing.) I'll bet that even the Texas Speleological 
 Survey does not archive on paper such rare TexasCavers posts as are of 
 permanent value; I hope I'm wrong.

 There is no shame in reprinting things that appeared on social media or 
 elsewhere in the web. Three of the feature articles in the latest AMCS 
 Activities Newsletter originated in blogs or the like, supplemented by 
 different or additional graphics, and some others are reprinted from various 
 places, again generally in somewhat different form. The people leading 
 various project such a Colorado Bend or Government Canyon have been good 
 about posting reports to the TexasCavers list. Why aren't they routinely 
 included in the Texas Caver as a permanent record? If a photo can be gotten 
 to go with one, fine, but if not, so what? A picture may be worth a thousand 
 words, but not if it hogs the space where a thousand words ought to have 
 appeared. Are there not some Texas grotto