[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-06 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Hi Tony, There's a new thread for NotoWritey, since this old one is getting long. I'm not sure I understand your question: Would it be possible for my items to be saved as full tiddler titles, with > the parent tag? > Do you mean a special saver function, or ?? You can already save a set of

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-06 Thread TonyM
Mark, I have just used the outliner to build an outline for a personal brainstorming event, I have found it to be one of the easiest ways to do this,* ever*. As a result of this a few questions arise. - Would it be possible for my items to be saved as full tiddler titles, with the

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-06 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
A new thread has been started. Look for it in a forum near you. I've added the tag pill, although, as I understand it, you want to use it to add sorting. So that doesn't sound like you're using it for a text document. Eventually I should add a sorting feature to the hamburg menu similar to

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-06 Thread TiddlyTweeter
This thread is now paginating on Web. It makes it hard to read. Could you start a new thread? TT, x -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-06 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Request *14 - Put A Live Tag Pill Of The Noto Invoked Tag In Settings* (I'm assuming this won't cause recursion?) It could be very useful when user has tag list field manipulators that work through pill (e.g. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/6q70hYsX_0o) That

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-06 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Small thought ... *12 - "Link" In Bottom Bar Opens The Target Tiddler In Edit Mode* Given that using Noto in edit the user would be likely only interested in "Link" click to edit a Tiddler would it not be better to just directly open it for edit? TT -- You received this message because

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-06 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Small request ... *11 - Add Class To Div For NotoWritey Settings* Hopefully self explanatory. In use would allow user to hide settings when they don't need to see them. TT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-05 Thread TonyM
Mark, Thanks so much for that. I realise now its using a feature of wikify I forgot, the output parameter. In a reply here I mention noto as a layer to support images "In the future" https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/ipCEDNmrjJk/J8-GqTdMBQAJ Regards Tony On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-05 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
I updated notowritey-outliner.html. You can now reset the tiddler being edited if you change your mind or need to start over. You can also save up to 5 copies of the current tiddler and label them as you need, kind of like a mini versioning system. That way if you have multiple versions of a

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-05 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Thanks, Tony. There's nothing too complex about the wikitext combo routine. There's a function: \define compile-h() <$list filter="[tag]"> <$transclude mode=block/> \end which gets called like this: <$wikify text="""<>""" name="compiled" output="html"> <$button

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-04 Thread TonyM
Mark, I also adore you buttons below the noto writey to copy the combined wikitext of html, I would like to generalise the copy html buttons as a snapshot tool for regular tiddlers as well, could you please point me to the code and give me permissions to steal it? notowritey, is it

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-04 Thread TonyM
Mark I am playing with the outliner, Love it. I will provide more feedback as I go but wanted to say its looking great. One Question. It is possible to make the subTiddler title generation a filter we can customise? - I would like to put the subtiddlers behind the system tiddlers name

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-04 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 5:35:24 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote: > > Mark, > > Could you update the lead post with the links to you working editions if > possible, please. > > Update 6/4/2020 (including in OP): Original without outliner: https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html With

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-04 Thread TonyM
Mark, Could you update the lead post with the links to you working editions if possible, please. thanks tony On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 10:28:53 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote: > > Added a bookmark feature. There's also a "roadmap" tiddler which lists > some of the features I hope to implement. >

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-04 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Added a bookmark feature. There's also a "roadmap" tiddler which lists some of the features I hope to implement. This is still on the notowritey-outliner.html page. But probably in the next day or two I'll move it all back to notowritey.html. -- You received this message because you are

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-04 Thread TiddlyTweeter
General point on *Inter-Working. *Because Noto uses Tag list field for its basics we have access to a LARGE number of tools that can be invoked to assist when needed. I'm particularly experimenting using the excellent *Search-And-Replace* functions in *Tiddler Commander* as an adjudicative

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-04 Thread TiddlyTweeter
For those on email I had to edit my last post as I got the numbering wrong. It makes no real difference to the substantive points. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-04 Thread TiddlyTweeter
> > TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> >> Anything but the default (text/vnd.tiddlywiki) But my biggest issue is >> type "text/plain" as I use that a lot. >> > Mark S. wrote: > > Might require a case by case response. So for text/plain perhaps the text > could be wrapped with """ quotes? > Right. But

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Didn't get too much further, but did install Thomas' + and - icons, and changed the "select" option to be controlled by indent left/right chevrons. The popup menu is pretty barren, but in theory could eventually hold other controls (like move up/down). I'm wondering if the popup menu would be

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TonyM
Mark, In the second case the field trigger, Your button in the view toolbar (possibly edit), would create the noto field and disappear. you could have a small view template option that becomes visible if the it sees the noto field with no value and prompt for a value (enter in temp tiddler)

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
I'll have to look into that option once things are stable. Thanks! On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 10:48:22 AM UTC-7, Saq Imtiaz wrote: > > @Mark S: > > I strongly suspect that any performance issues are not due to > sorting/ordering but rather due to the rendering of so many tiddlers. > The

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Those are nice icons! I'm also borrowing the left/right chevrons and the hamburg menu which seems slightly different than the original TW menu icon. Thanks! On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 11:01:00 PM UTC-7, Thomas Elmiger wrote: > > Hi Mark > > Please feel free to use the most simplicistic plus

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
In the 2nd case, would there be a dialogue for the user to enter the tag? Where would the button go? Thanks! On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:14:34 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote: > > Mark > > I hope this may advance noto a little more, please have a look at the > attached, drop it on

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TonyM
Mark I hope this may advance noto a little more, please have a look at the attached, drop it on https://tidbits.wiki/noto/notowritey%20(15).html# - I have attached a quick json with two view template tiddlers, where one simple tags a tiddler noto rather than enter the `<>` Personally

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Might require a case by case response. So for text/plain perhaps the text could be wrapped with """ quotes? On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 12:43:47 PM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Anything but the default (text/vnd.tiddlywiki) But my biggest issue is > type "text/plain" as I use that a lot.

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > After splitting into your 4000 pieces, how was performance for additional, > normal splits? > Bad. S l o o o o w. TBH if I did it again and the splitter were so equipped it could split on "^\s*CHAPTER" then it might work. There are 50 chapters so its about 80 paras per

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Anything but the default (text/vnd.tiddlywiki) But my biggest issue is type "text/plain" as I use that a lot. TT On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:14:59 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 12:56:57 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> >> >> The only downside of the *WikiText

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > > TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> >> >> On #6, I'm not sure how you're thinking of revisiting. Perhaps show a >> condensed version of the document, with just the "bookmarked" items ? >> > I maybe was not clear. All I meant was "Enable user to add an additional defined tag on click of

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter
On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:11:33 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 5:22:55 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> >> Ciao Mark.S >> >> I'm aware you at work on outlining. I just wanted record notes before I >> forget. >> * No hurry at all.* >> >> Here is example usage for

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 12:56:57 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > > The only downside of the *WikiText *saved version is it can't respect > Content Type. So if you have more than the standard content type in a Noto > Doc its not always 100% accurate. I think its *unavoidable?* > > >

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 5:22:55 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Ciao Mark.S > > I'm aware you at work on outlining. I just wanted record notes before I > forget. > * No hurry at all.* > > Here is example usage for basic editing, where the "document" is basically > the same in "edit" &

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread Saq Imtiaz
@Mark S: I strongly suspect that any performance issues are not due to sorting/ordering but rather due to the rendering of so many tiddlers. The dynalist plugin should be able to help you deal with that by not rendering anything that isn't in the viewport. On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:42:26

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
After splitting into your 4000 pieces, how was performance for additional, normal splits? If there's a serious split problem, then the question is, do we: 1. Advise people to stick with shorter documents 2. Use some other mechanism for ordering the tiddlers A simple ordering system would be

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mark.S I'm aware you at work on outlining. I just wanted record notes before I forget. * No hurry at all.* Here is example usage for basic editing, where the "document" is basically the same in "edit" & "view". I wanted to give you a live example so you can see the issues I mention

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter
TonyM, right, its a design thought. Yeah on a long novel you'd split to chapters first then Noto each separately if you were sensible. TBH, I did not want to distract Mark S. from his thread so feel slightly bad posting that. But I think the performance of list field may be relevant to larger

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TonyM
TT, Understood. I understand the desire for one tool. Perhaps mark could give us a button to split a tiddler using the same mechanism rather than pasting through the front end. However if importing a lot of content, it may be better to divide the incoming material somehow, even if it is

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Actually TonyM the lapse on initial split is not an issue. It didn't fail. And I'd rather use one tool than two. The problem, is the list field performance when its heavily populated?? After cut, refresh, its still same issue I think. Best, TT On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:56:10 UTC+2, TonyM

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TonyM
Did you paste into the utility? Perhaps first loading then processing would be better. Ie you are forcing a batch like operation into and interactive one. I expect there is another way. Regards Tony On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 6:38:42 PM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Ciao Mark > >

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mark *Performance Tests* Test 1 -- Noto instance that can edit 500 short plain text tiddlers (tweet length). Perfectly workable. Test 2 -- Noto instance to slice plain text novel into about 4000 paragraphs. It did manage the slice, though I put the kettle on waiting. Its not really

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > > One of my intended goals is to bring outlining capability in some fashion > to TW. > I think it would be invaluable. I can think of use cases where it would open up directions for me. TT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > > There are buttons to save all-up HTML to clipboard or a specified tiddler, > and corresponding buttons for wiki text. These new options are on the > bottom of your document. > Those are great. I already used the *HTML* saved version to produce directly postable output

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-03 Thread Thomas Elmiger
Hi Mark Please feel free to use the most simplicistic plus and minus icons from https://tid.li/tw5/apps/svg.html#Advanced%20Icon%20Editing (section "other images ..."). No attribution required. Cheers, Thomas On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 3:39:08 AM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: > > > I could just

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-02 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Quick note on *Icons*. If you go "+" "-" there are a range of variants here: http://fa5-free-svg.tiddlyspot.com/. This is Morosaune's re-version of FA to TW-ready SVG format. They don't require attribution. I had a look at what outliner tools use. They all use unfussy glyphs. There seem two

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-02 Thread TonyM
Post Script, In this example note how I have an "optional toc" below the research tiddler. This could be changes to allow the content of a child tiddler or its title, to be dragged back into the tiddler it was split from. What I am trying to say, your solution is so powerful it can stand on

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-02 Thread TonyM
Mark, Your original idea is of great value. I am wondering if you should complete it, a Minimum Viable and see of other methods can add the additional functionality you seek. If your original idea was made into a custom view template in this example here; This is only a friendly suggestion.

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-01 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
It's starting to look more outliney. The process of deciding changing behaviour by level leaves all sorts of paragraph breaks, which I haven't completely discovered how to deal with yet. On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 10:55:03 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote: > > > One of my intended goals is to bring

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-01 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
One of my intended goals is to bring outlining capability in some fashion to TW. I think ... I hope ... I've got the logic working. Well, the logic for folding/hiding. The screenshot below may not look very much like an outliner, but it shows the fundamental logic is working. Each item can

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-01 Thread TiddlyTweeter
*Comment on Taggery #2* IMO using tags is excellent for NW in that they are easy, shown, are good for structure, user understandable, easily changeable. The fact in TW we use tags both semantically & structurally is par for the course. The upsides are good. Why would I need a value buried in

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-01 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > > I... 'm also thinking of adding the ability to allow the user to join up > the next X items. So you could join the next 3 paragraphs to the current > tiddler, mark them as "no split", and just keep that as one "semantic > unit.". Behind the scenes, the original paragraphs

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-01 Thread TiddlyTweeter
*Comment On Taggery #1* FYI I had to pre-populate the tag's list field manually to get it to co-operate for cases where I needed NW to recognise the tagged existed. That is not A NW issue. Just a comment. TT Mark S. wrote: > > In NW, every tiddler split into other tiddlers gets added to the

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-01 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > I think if people want a detailed split, then they should use the slicer > edition. The SE uses the sax.js library to break down things atomically. > However, even it doesn't always get it right -- you see remainders of HTML > tags in the sample split. The problem with the

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-01 Thread TiddlyTweeter
You know I have a mind. The potential language of NW is interesting. Its pretty neat on "splitology". Conceptually & pragmatically its a "fragment aware" editor. TT On Saturday, 30 May 2020 22:57:37 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: > > > > On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 5:43:00 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote: >>

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-06-01 Thread TiddlyTweeter
*Small Issue #3 -- Higlighting* Hover highlight don't work on type "text/plain" in a NW instance. TT On Saturday, 30 May 2020 02:43:00 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: > > I've made some updates! But haven't updated the docs. > > >- You can now do <> inside a tiddler and it will attempt to >

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-31 Thread TonyM
Mark, Looking great. Nice work. I am assuming here this will be very good for taking notes in class or a meeting because each note is effectively saved when you move to the next paragraph. Thanks Tony On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 3:39:03 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote: > > I think if people want a

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-31 Thread Birthe C
Mark S, Yes please! I would very much like that. Birthe søndag den 31. maj 2020 kl. 19.39.03 UTC+2 skrev Mark S.: > > I'm also thinking of adding the ability to allow the user to join up the > next X items. So you could join the next 3 paragraphs to the current > tiddler, mark them as "no

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-31 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
I think if people want a detailed split, then they should use the slicer edition. The SE uses the sax.js library to break down things atomically. However, even it doesn't always get it right -- you see remainders of HTML tags in the sample split. The problem with the slicer edition is that the

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-31 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
In NW, every tiddler split into other tiddlers gets added to the list field of the main tag. Likewise, every tiddler deleted (via the interface) is removed from the list field of the main tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-31 Thread TonyM
TT, I am imaging you just drag an drop something to cause the list field to be created, then drag it back? I have asked for a way to trigger this programaticaly. But not got it recognised as valuable. Not sure why Regards Tony On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:40:59 PM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-31 Thread TiddlyTweeter
*Side Issue #A* Nothing to do with NW per se. But I got my fuddles in a furrow with Tag > Tiddlers for a while. > I still find TW Taggery confusing. So you can tag 4000 Tiddlers but no tag > tiddler with list field exists? Bit confusing. > I basically figured out how to manually populate the

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-31 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Briefly Thomas TBH I did not mention your "Concept" wiki as I wasn't sure if it was public. I think its very good. Your version of a Story Saver is, in a way, central. It is elegant. Useful. The differences between Mark's approach to edit and yours in Concept is fascinating. I think they

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-31 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao bimlas I want to underline the point you can use Mark's tool to simply edit Tiddlers en mass without ANY consequence of splitting at all. In those cases, likely very common, actually, there would be NO issue on search of the type you describe. Just a comment TT On Wednesday, 27 May 2020

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-31 Thread TiddlyTweeter
springer I think he's doing very Good. "\n\n+" is a primary marker in actual written WikiText. It is a fundamental *separation unit.* Seems a very Good DEFAULT to split on after blanks. *BUT *I'm sure Mark S. is aware you could split differently. SINCE blocks like this ARE an issue... <<< My

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-31 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Quick note. Great! I'll update a couple of examples to fit the new & post later. TT On Saturday, 30 May 2020 22:57:37 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: > > > > On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 5:43:00 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote: >> >> >>- You can now do <> inside a tiddler and it will attempt to >>default

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-30 Thread TonyM
Mark With auto split off could we have the convention that something like or trigger a split but be removed from the result? I would like to see this hybridised with saq's list innovation. Regards Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-30 Thread TonyM
Springer Good idea but how? do share Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-30 Thread springer
Why not simply have noto refuse to split any paragraphs that would break any unresolved markup syntax? So <<< Three things I have trouble remembering... 1. When... 2. Why... 3. What was the question? <<< —Somebody would not get split up, nor would @@float:right; If I don't try... I

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-30 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 5:43:00 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote: > > >- You can now do <> inside a tiddler and it will attempt to >default to using the current tiddler as the document tag. >- New prompts for initialization, with some help to make the initial >tiddler based on the

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-30 Thread bimlas
As a matter of fact, the problem with this solution is that the essence of the plugin would be lost. Then we need to approach the problem from the other side: For example, putting a space in an empty line would not cut the paragraph into pieces. However, this space must be deleted before

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-30 Thread TonyM
Bimlas This would be wiki text for fragmenting in a way. Perhaps when typing not when pasting external content because you will first have check before pasting. Perhaps when auto split is off the author can add and will, removing the split. Perhaps we could set the split condition on the

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-30 Thread bimlas
TonyM, What if the breakpoint was defined by two blank lines instead of one? So you can easily indicate in the text itself which parts you want to leave together: ! Animals * cat * dog ! Colors * red * blue Animals would belong to the first tiddler, Colors to the second. -- You received

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-30 Thread TonyM
Mark The auto split is great but no spit will allow us to choose when. I have cases where I expect fragments to be reusable. I think it would be interesting if we could apply a wiki text wrapper on each fragment. A quote fragment will possibly always be a quote, a code fragment always code.

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
I've made some updates! But haven't updated the docs. - You can now do <> inside a tiddler and it will attempt to default to using the current tiddler as the document tag. - New prompts for initialization, with some help to make the initial tiddler based on the current file name

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread Thomas Elmiger
Hello TWilosophers, Mark S. wrote: >> >> This seems to be like a question TT might ask, "What is a document?" >> > > LOL. Quickly picking up on that point ... whilst the iron is hot. > Me too :–D After TT mentioned one of my older plugins "listreveal" I think I’ll have to clarify. Listreveal

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter
TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Ciao Mark >> >> *1 - Accidental Splitting* >> >> It possible to split accidentally where you don't want to, for instance >> ... >> >> <<< >> "Fragmentally, my dear, I don't give a damn!" >> >> --Down With The Wind >> <<< >> >> Mark S. > I'm thinking that the solution

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread Birthe C
Mark S, Thank you for your very patient explanation. I think I found the reason in the tiddler Other Styles. Editing it certainly made it readable again as in the first version. When I compared the font-size in the illustrations with the written text, I also saw that the size was smaller. Your

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 11:46:00 PM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Ciao Mark > > *1 - Accidental Splitting* > > It possible to split accidentally where you don't want to, for instance ... > > <<< > "Fragmentally, my dear, I don't give a damn!" > > --Down With The Wind > <<< > > I'm

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Being somewhat visually challenged myself, I'm certainly sympathetic to concerns about vision. However, the text here is the same as any other tiddlywiki. It may be using a different font thanks to the Code Mirror I installed for working. You can delete that if you need to. And, of course, you

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter
bimlas wrote: > > > It’s an ingenious solution, but I see the same problem in it as in bullet > list solutions: it makes searching cumbersome. For example, if I search for > "create", only that paragraph will be included in the search results, so if > I want to see the original tiddler, I have

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao TonyM You are absolutely right that TW has the methodology already. What is interesting is how Mark's innovation immediately enables a different kind of Gestalt-Of-Making to seem intuitively easy. Almost obvious now. Telmiger was close to this a long time ago with "ListReveal" but it

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter
For those on email please note a change to a previous post ... b -- it would allow you to take a "snapshot" of consolidated result and then Re-Split it so the numbering gets simple again (useful if you ended up a no longer human readable id numbers in the titles) *I would personally would NOT

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread TonyM
TT This would work well as a view template. I have started writing some structured material which has intro body and conclusion. A version of this would be nice. An aside it is possible to create multiple text area fields on one tiddler you just can't edit them in the edit template fields

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > > This seems to be like a question TT might ask, "What is a document?" > LOL. Quickly picking up on that point ... whilst the iron is hot. I already changed my concepts of "Templates" in TW because of what NotoVictorious permits. Take the case of writing an article about

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter
> > Mark S. wrote: >> >> >> NotoWritey >> > FYI, anagrams ... New riot toy Wrote in toy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > > NotoWritey (everyone get the pun?) now has a new look. It looks almost > like a regular displayed tiddler, filling the whole story river and only > highlights when you mouse over the text. You can now navigate to other > tiddlers. You can also navigate to external tiddlers,

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > > NotoWritey > Isn't that a film by Alfred Hitchbits? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-28 Thread Jon
Notoriety On Friday, 29 May 2020 04:32:52 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote: > > Mark S, > I do not get the pun. > Maybe distraction free writing, impossible reading? Text so small, for my > eyes are very close to blurry lines. > > Birthe > >

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-28 Thread TonyM
Mark, I find this is an interesting concept. One thought would be a minimal mode where the toolbar is optionaly displayed. Your method is a nice way to excise automatically. I pasted the contents I copied out of HelloThere on tiddlywiki.com. Pasted them into a text field and closed. the

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-28 Thread Birthe C
Mark S, I do not get the pun. Maybe distraction free writing, impossible reading? Text so small, for my eyes are very close to blurry lines. Birthe fredag den 29. maj 2020 kl. 03.05.42 UTC+2 skrev Mark S.: > > > NotoWritey (everyone get the pun?) now has a new look. It looks almost > like a

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-28 Thread TonyM
Saq, This sounds very interesting. Can you please elaborate illustrate this? Regards Tony On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 4:05:32 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote: > > The button widget is far more powerful than users realize. > > You can use it to create any html element with an onclick handler that

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-28 Thread TonyM
Mark > > This seems to be like a question TT might ask, "What is a document?" > > In this case, a document is a series of tiddlers chained together by a > common tag. Once you have found a tiddler, you have also found the tag and > can reconstruct the entire "document". It doesn't matter what

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-28 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
NotoWritey (everyone get the pun?) now has a new look. It looks almost like a regular displayed tiddler, filling the whole story river and only highlights when you mouse over the text. You can now navigate to other tiddlers. You can also navigate to external tiddlers, though unfortunately it

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-27 Thread Saq Imtiaz
The button widget is far more powerful than users realize. You can use it to create any html element with an onclick handler that triggers actions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-27 Thread Saq Imtiaz
@Mark using tag=div on the button should help. It surfaces another issue, which is that trying to select text in view mode triggers the click (and editing). I have a couple of workarounds in mind, will investigate soon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-27 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 10:17:45 AM UTC-7, springer wrote: > > Mark, this is great for situations where we know we'll want fine-grained > tiddlers down the road, but authoring and viewing want a more unified > interface (with easy transitions between authoring and viewing). > > Yes. But

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-27 Thread springer
Mark, this is great for situations where we know we'll want fine-grained tiddlers down the road, but authoring and viewing want a more unified interface (with easy transitions between authoring and viewing). One potential frustration came up while I checked out NotoWritey: if I'm

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-27 Thread Birthe C
Mark S, I used it for a couple of documents yesterday. I found it easy and fast to use. I think maybe we should use it for a while to see, what and if something is missing - and of course we are all anticipating to see Saq's file. Birthe -- You received this message because you are

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-27 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
This seems to be like a question TT might ask, "What is a document?" In this case, a document is a series of tiddlers chained together by a common tag. Once you have found a tiddler, you have also found the tag and can reconstruct the entire "document". It doesn't matter what the name of the

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-27 Thread bimlas
MarkS, It’s an ingenious solution, but I see the same problem in it as in bullet list solutions: it makes searching cumbersome. For example, if I search for "create", only that paragraph will be included in the search results, so if I want to see the original tiddler, I have to search back by

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-25 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark, that is seriously brilliant! Tx! I'll comment in more detail in a couple of days after I used it more. TT On Tuesday, 26 May 2020 01:32:38 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: > > Here's the work in progress. I'm hoping someone will think it's > so amazing that they'll do all the hard work of making it

[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

2020-05-25 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Here's the work in progress. I'm hoping someone will think it's so amazing that they'll do all the hard work of making it work well ;-) https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To

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